Is the Sun Rising in the East?

Patrick J. Buchanan, Buchanan, December 6, 2013

The scores are in from the 2012 Program for International Student Assessment, which, every three years, tests 15-year-olds from the world’s most advanced countries.

For the United States, the report card is dismal. The U.S. ranking has fallen to 17th in reading, 21st in science, and 26th in math.

Florida, one of America’s diverse mega-states, competed separately in the PISA exam, and scored below the U.S. average.

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Ranked one through seven in test scores in reading, science and math were Shanghai-China, Singapore, Hong Kong-China, Taiwan, South Korea, Macau-China, Japan. Also well ahead of the United States is Vietnam.

By and large, Western Europe has moved out in front of us and our close competitors are the Slovak Republic and Russian Federation.

Fifteen-year-olds in two ex-Soviet republics, Estonia and Latvia, also posted grades in math and science superior to those of America’s young.

Education Secretary Arne Duncan calls the PISA test scores a “brutal truth” that “must serve as a wake-up call” for the country.

Excuse me, but how many wake-up calls do we need?

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In LBJ’s Great Society legislation in 1965 came the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, which poured enormous amounts into our pubic schools.

In 1983, came “A Nation at Risk: The Imperative For Educational Reform,” the report of President Ronald Reagan’s National Commission on Excellence in Education. Conclusion: America’s schools, even then, thirty years ago, were failing the nation.

Under George W. Bush and Barack Obama, we got another surge in spending with No Child Left Behind and Race to the Top.

How can a lack of money explain our declining test scores when America continues to spend more per capita on education than almost any other country? Yet, the more we spend, the lower the test scores we get back in global competition?

Some insist the persistence of poverty in an affluent America is the cause of these declining test scores.

Yet, have we not fought a 50-year war on poverty since LBJ’s Great Society? And not only have countless trillions of dollars been spent, the poor in America receive benefits of which the world’s poor could only dream.

America’s poor receive free food, free health care and free education for their children from Head Start to K-12. The poor get subsidized housing and subsidized incomes. They are exempt from federal income taxes. State programs and private charities pick up where the feds leave off.

Yet, if poverty explains the dismal performance of America’s students, why are they being lapped by Vietnamese 15-year-olds?

Do the Vietnamese have a higher per capita income than we?

Is there less poverty and more emphasis on education in Hanoi and Ho Chi Minh City than New York City and Washington, D.C.?

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Forty percent of American children are born out of wedlock, but for Hispanics it is 53 percent and for African-Americans 73 percent.

Looking again at those PISA test scores, other than East Asia—China, Taiwan, South Korea, Japan, Vietnam—hardly any other nation of Southeast or South Asia, the Arab or Muslim world, Africa or Latin America, is in the top forty in academic performance.

And, in these test scores from a diverse world, we can see mirrored the academic performance within our own diverse nation.

Just as East Asians and Europeans excel in the PISA tests, so, too, do Americans of East Asian and European descent dominate test scores and excel in educational achievement, while our Hispanic and African-American students trail.

At top universities like Berkeley, Stanford and in the Ivy League, too, Asian and white Americans are overrepresented in the student bodies.

Yet, Hispanic and African-Americans are more than 30 percent of the U.S. population and 35 percent of those in our public schools.

Increasingly, these minorities will represent the nation in international academic competitions.

Where, then, are the grounds for optimism that we can turn this around?

And if we cannot, ought we not accept the inevitable?

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  • It’s just not a real AmRen article until Yellow John chimes in with some Asiaphile comments.

  • Erasmus

    Okay. Next question: What’s the breakdown of test scores by sex and ethnicity?

    (And dishonestly categorizing latinos as white doesn’t count.)

    • Freedoooom

      Whites are all the same.

    • JohnEngelman

      In 2001 students in Japan and Korea outperformed students in all other countries in the OECD/PISA Study in mathematics and science. They performed less well in reading, but the reading systems in Japan and Korea are more difficult to learn than is the alphabetic systems used in the West.

  • PJB asks: Is the Sun Rising in the East?

    I respond: Yes it is, and the daylight is exposing a bunch of cramming and cheating.

    • Erasmus

      I’m not sure the sun’s rising in the East, but it sure has been getting a lot darker here in the West.

    • Come on now. Asians don’t cheat. Yellow John will testify to this, and he will tell you that they are the smartest things on two legs. They are notorious for being inventive and not stealing ideas and patents. Just because China only wants to show test scores from its brightest students doesn’t mean they cheat. It just means they are… umm…. selectively smart. It would be great if we could have White countries in Europe selectively showing only their brightest, instead of having all of those lovely immigrants of the black and brown variety messing with the averages. But I guess it’s just not meant to be.

      What I would love to see are their test scores after a few million black and brown folks get thrown into the mix.

      • D.B. Cooper

        I noticed your other post got deleted before I had a chance to put my two cents (yen?) in. It isn’t ALL bad in the far East. They sure like a lot of our ideas, like Hooters, and copy them; but they sure don’t believe in diversity, do they?

        • You mean AmRen deletes posts? I must have said something really bizarre and offensive, like White women desire black men, and White women aren’t feminine, and that all women desire the superiority of Asian men. Oh, wait… that was Yellow John that said that. That’s perfectly acceptable in the AmRen model.

        • JohnEngelman

          I’m not complaining.

          • Omegas and submissives never do.

          • JohnEngelman

            I was not complaining about the photo, dummy.

          • I have eyes, a fairly large IQ and a verbal reasoning & comprehension level that would put you to shame. I think I kind of knew what you were talking about.

        • RisingReich

          Not bad….for Asians.

        • Spartacus

          Neither of those women could ever become Miss Alaska:

          • Oil Can Harry

            How interesting that the Alaskan contestant would be a local walrus.

          • John R

            She is probably the only black female from Alaska!

          • Emperor Naked

            She’s not “from” Alaska, I’ll bet. That is, not born there.

          • Greg Thomas

            Sorry…but I’m not even convinced that’s a female as yet.

          • Spartacus

            Ghetto walrus .

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            I just vomited in my mouth a little.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I’m not into black women, but there are examples more attractive than that girl. I don’t get it, don’t want to.

          • ixObserver

            Yes & I have also noticed that good looking black women occur at a super low frequency compared to their numbers.

          • John R

            Yeah, but the attractive black women are generally the ones with a lot of White DNA. But, you are right. Yes, there are some more attractive mullato females out there.

          • D.B. Cooper

            What the H blank double “L” is that? I lived in Alaska for 2 years when I was a kid. I think I saw 4 blacks the entire time I was there.

          • Garrett Brown

            Something very scary.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            It’s Ru Paul in drag.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Africa… I mean Alaska… the final frontier.

          • Greg Thomas

            Are you sure that’s a woman?

          • D.B. Cooper

            That embarrassment to the state of Alaska will represent the Miss America pageant.
            Miss Alaska USA (L), who will represent Miss USA, and Miss Teen Alaska USA (R) are a better indication of what kind of girls you would really see way up there. Unfortunately, they will be wearing parkas most of the year.

          • Bill Moore

            Hello,

            I took a look at the other contestants for the MIss Alaska contest that were rejected. They were all beautiful.

            Selecting an ugly African is disgusting.

            Than you,
            Bill Moore

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            That girl on the right is slightly mestizo IMO. The girl on the left is an archetypical white beauty. If you need inspiration to fight for white survival, look at her picture!

          • D.B. Cooper

            Actually, Miss Teen Alaska (R) Kimberly Agron is indeed a Caucasian. A high school graduate at 16, and a holder of several major beauty titles, I would say she qualifies as “one of us”.

          • Nice fish! I still have my big hooks and lures from my days in Australia, still attached to stainless steel wire leaders, but they’re not much use in Colorado. It is always nice to when someone had a good day fishing.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            If you look at the fifth photo of the series from which you took this photo of hers with a fish (google : Kimberly Agron – missuniverse), you clearly see that she is a Mestiza, a pretty Mestiza no doubt, but still a Mestiza. I estimate that she is 1/8 or 1/16 Indian.

          • I think the proper description is “partly Alaskan Native” and not some Spanish term. Of course since I am 3/16 eastern woodlands injun myself, I may possess some bias in this respect.

            Wasn’t there a high school football team somewhere north that was called “The Half Breeds”? When the Usual Suspects crawled and slithered out of the woodwork and started their usual whining, the locals in that frozen town explained “But that’s what we are.”

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            Eskimos have broader faces and a lighter skin color. This girl’s face is narrower and she is brownish. Google : Kimberly Agron – missuniverse and look at the pictures : a typical Latina. Besides, the name Agron is Galician and Spanish.

          • Bill Moore

            Hello,

            Ten years ago, I was watching a beauty pageant with a group of Progressives, mostly women. About halfway through, I commented that the ugly African would be selected to win. They asked by why I thought that. I told them that it was because it was an African. They made weird noises and went back to watching the contest.

            When the ugly African won the contest, their facial expressions were something to behold.

            Take notice of the facial expressions of Progressives when they are confronted by racial realism. Their faces become contorted.

            If we can’t fix them, we can at least have some fun with them.

            Just My Thoughts,
            Bill Moore

          • Mike Conrad

            It’s good sport indeed, and you can do this with TV shows and movies too–predict who the good guys and the bad guys are according to race and sex. The bad guy is always a white male and the world is generally rescued by a black man with help from a white or latina woman. Of course, very often the hero is a ‘chosen person’ but we dare not say that.

          • John R

            That is why I love to watch a good Charles Bronson movie. Death Wish and Death Wish II were my favorites! Bronson was one of the few actors who had the courage to star in movies where the blacks WERE THE BAD GUYS! R.I.P Bronson, aka “Paul Kersey.”

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Strange, I never saw a magic Negro in a Bronson movie, at least not that I can remember!

          • ZeitTrash

            There was a film serial called the “Perils of Pauline” that ran in movie theaters 100 years ago in the early silent movie days. It typically featured a helpless maiden getting tied to a railroad track in front of an oncoming train by a dastardly moustache-twirling villain. The hero would show up, save the maiden, and smite the bad guy.

            Modern TV is just as cartoonish than that, including the commercials. The few SVU-type shows that I’ve seen feature white Christian “monsters” threatening and attacking gays or non-whites. It’s nearly impossible to find a TV commercial that doesn’t feature inept, weak, sexless white guys getting corrected by weary, disgusted white women or black men.

            It’s moronic social conditioning and social programming of the crudest kind. They are nothing but ridiculous, low IQ, leftist morality plays. How any white person could watch this execrable garbage and not roll their eyes with contempt is beyond my understanding.

          • Mike Conrad

            They are conditioned by a lifetime of propaganda. But, of course, white christian males are not the intended audience really. They are the targets–and the intention is to have everyone else become their sworn enemy. America’s Ruling Class needs to ensure that no group can ever become large enough or aware enough to pose a threat to the “Tribe”. MSM propaganda is the most effective means.

          • Mike Conrad

            Thanks for your comment. I posted a response to it but it was removed by the site mod. Probably because I mentioned those who are principally in control of the MSM. We’re not allowed to do that here.

          • Sick of it

            It’s illogical to show so many white criminals on every program or movie today, considering crime statistics. But we know who controls the media.

          • John R

            True. As I said in another post, what you did was challenge their cult like faith that “all races are equal.” Of course their faces became distorted. They are like kids who just found out that Santa and the Easter Bunny might not exist! Gee. Shame on you!

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Ha Ha Ha! That’s a man, baby.

          • Bob

            My God! Is that real? That has to be Mad TV right? Alaska? What the Hell is wrong with people? Does this make anyone feel good?

            I know that was a whole bunch of questions in a row in my previous sentences but I do believe it is still proper English.

          • Spartacus

            Yes, it’s real. Her (his?) name is Michelle Taylor, marxism is wrong with people, and I don’t think it makes anyone feel better about anything.

          • John R

            I know how you feel. That is why so many of my posts start with, “okay, where to begin…”

          • TheAntidote

            You’re jivin’ me right? Isn’t that Tyler Parry from the Madea movies?

          • Emperor Naked

            A black Miss Alaska? Now I know whites are nuts.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Clearly this is a case of the best being crowned winner. I can not believe the comments below. How can everyone here not see how beautiful Miss Alaska is?

        • Max Krakah

          one just needs seven paper bags!

          • D.B. Cooper

            Negative, Max. All you have to do is merely look at the Miss Alaska (Miss America Pageant, not the Miss USA version) diversity winner, and suddenly, those 7 Chinese Hooters girls in front of the Great Wall seem much more attractive, even to white guys who usually don’t have yellow fever.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          This photo obviously used mirrors to duplicate the same Asian girl seven times. You can tell it’s the same exact person in all seven images.

          • Spartacus

            And how exactly can you tell ? 😛

        • CourtneyfromAlabama

          I can see how a white man would find the two on the far left attractive (our left….not the photo’s left), as well as the one in the middle. The rest,…..not really. They exhibit the typical Asian traits that are a little too foreign and alien for a normal white man to find appealing.

          • The key word being normal.

          • Jefferson

            You have obviously have never been to New York City, Seattle, or California, if you think women with typical Asian traits would not be able to attract a White man.

          • Luca

            I have generally found some Asian women to be incredibly “cute/exotic”, but nothing beats beautiful white women who border on Goddess material. I think because Asians actually have similar Caucasian features (except eye shape) that it lends them a sense of familiarity with whites. Likewise with Asian women finding white men not so different and easy to adapt to. Cultural values and intelligence tend to be on par as well.

          • The third from the left looks pretty good, and the fourth from the left has a nice smile, but I prefer the “Snow White” look, with ivory skin and dark hair.

          • Magician

            Do you have any explanation for, or opinion on, unattractive Asian women in the arms of white men? ( e.g. Mark Zuckerberg and his Chinese wife)

        • jane johnson

          Apparently, they don’t get the double-entendre inherent in the name “Hooters”, either. Just sayin’.

        • pcmustgo

          None of those are very hot asians… I’ve seen way hotter ones.

      • Marc Zuckurburg

        I advocate comprehensive immigration reform.

        Comprehensive immigration reform will raise wages and salaries, strengthen national security, prevent terrorism, enhance our domestic crime-fighting ability, ensure that we continue to encourage the best and brightest to partake of the American dream, enhance our competitiveness and our ability to innovate, and make America more prosperous.

        Make my immigration reform comprehensive, please!

      • BonusGift

        Essentially the only country in Asia that may have a honest to goodness unbiased sample might be Japan. The Chinese will keep producing biased samples as long as they are allowed to get away with it. I say we ship over the contents of Detroit to Shanghai and give them time to whip that crew into study shape (or kill most of them, which is more likely) and then force them to them sample the leftovers instead of the biased sample we are getting from them now.

    • JohnEngelman

      Attributing higher scores for Orientals on cheating is like blaming lower scores for blacks on white racism.

      • Engleman, you are losing the battle in this discussion, and not necessarily because of the merits of CT’s arguments. Your nickname Yellow John is downright hilarious!

        LOL

        • JohnEngelman

          Pat Buchanan won this debate for me.

      • Berkeley Guy

        I go to Berkeley now, with a high percentage of what you term Orientals. Some do study very hard and acheive top marks. But there a lot of Oriental cheaters. I have been told this by several Asians, and have been witness to a few incidents myself. My friend from China would go on an on about the cheating strategies–both the silly and the subtle–that were widespread in her highschool in Nanjing. While not all of the high scores can be attributed to cheating, apparently many Orientals seem to think it plays a significant role.

        Furthermore, there several conversations we had about memorizing and rearranging stock sentences from Chinese GRE and SAT learning books for honing essay-writing skills. The key aspect is memorization. Memorizing something can be great, unless you’re trying to write a philosophy paper on ethics or free will. Or if you need to be honest about your life and goals when trying to enter a university through test scores that incorporate essays, and not to mention personal statements in the college application process.

        I understand where you’re coming from–there are some very bright Orientals, but cheating can’t be so easily dismissed just because those bright ones exist and make over here to impress one of us.

        • JohnEngelman

          The superior performance of Orientals on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed is a settled issue.

          I will not dispute what you say about Chinese cheaters at Berkeley. I simply do not know.

          I will say that I have gone to school with Orientals ever since high school. I have always been impressed with their intelligence. I have never known one to cheat.

          I have also had Oriental co-workers. They have earned my respect both for their competence, and for their integrity.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Alright, let us agree that they are the best in mental aptitude tests. What then? Should I give up some of my resources and space to them simply because because they tested well? Where is the argument for what European Americans should do? This site is about the maintenance and future vision of our heritage. Do you think we should study harder for that future? That’s really what we are interested in here–discussions about what to do so we can have an American renaissance.

            Right, neither one of us can dispute the other’s claims about everyday interactions with Orientals. My reply is not just for you but for the rest of my people who read it.

          • Mike Conrad

            I don’t agree that they are the best at mental aptitude tests, only math and science. On verbal & analytical reasoning etc they tend to fall behind whites and jews. But you are correct that asians (and jews) are somewhat notorious for cheating to get ahead. It’s a cultural thing.

          • Max Krakah

            they are good at science, when it comes to repeating wrote knowledge. But they never produce scientific breakthroughs. Look at what Japan spent it’s resources on in WWII. A fleet of a handful of extra large submarines that could function as aircraft carriers for one or two planes each. They just take technology that whites develop, and try to make it bigger, or smaller, or more complex, but they never develop a NEW technology. IT was the Germans who developed so much of the technology that has shaped our world since WWII. They developed rockets, stealth planes, jet engines, and even had a syn fuel manufacturing process. Even the atom bomb can , in large part, be credited to German science. It was the Germans scientists, not Jewish ones, but German ones, that brought us all the way up to the threshold of the functioning weapon. It was the folly of the Nazis that they put that on the back burner until the end of the war when they needed a miracle. The jews who came here and worked on the Manhattan project were doing nothing more than the final steps in assembling what the German scientists had developed.

          • Mergatroyd

            True. Some thing Werner Von Braun was the greatest scientist who ever lived, akin to Tesla. He not only developed rocketry but understood every single aspect of it top to bottom including the complicated physics it took for a successful launch.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            I see you read about the I-400. You are right, the Japanese submarines were all based on German designs they had procured in the 1930s.

            Actually if they weren’t such bad war strategists The Japanese would’ve passed on hitting Pearl Harbor and used those subs to bomb the Panama Canal instead and invaded Midway Island, Siberia and The Philippines as well things might’ve worked out different. If they hadn’t been getting their butts kicked so bad by the time Germany fell they might’ve been able to negotiate a peace with the US.

          • Invade Midway with I-400 subs? Do you know what kind of defenses Midway had especially after we became aware of Japanese intentions to invade? Also Midway was within easy resupply range of Hawaii.

            Unfortunately the “classic” liberal answer to your moniker is “dude it’s no longer your country”.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Read more carefully. I said hit The Panama Canal with the bombers the I-400 and the two others like it could carry.

            And I never look to liberals for answers for anything.

          • By mid-1945 when the I-400s were in service, it was already too late.

          • Mergatroyd

            Same for the Germans and their jet fighters.

            By the time they were operational, it was too late. If they’d developed the jet a year earlier, the outcome of the war might have been entirely different. By 1945, Germany was under heavy, daily bombardment and resources were becoming scarce. Goering wanted a nuclear bomb ASAP and apparently the Germans weren’t far away. The jet fighters were going to be used to knock out England’s radar system, a larger one was being developed for a nuclear payload.
            The flying wing design was snatched up by the Americans, Jack Northrup himself was keenly interested in the design of the jet-powered Horten HO 229.

          • Alexander Lippich and the HO 229 was useful for the design of the Douglas F-4D Skyray.

          • The I-400 submarines were not launched until 1944, two years after Japan’s catastrophic defeat at Midway, and of six laid down, only three were ever completed, between December 1944 and July 1945, by which time a giant submarine that could carry three seaplanes was not merely too late, but a silly waste of labor and materials. They were technically interesting and probably contributed to the development of US navy submarine-launchings of “Regulus” nuclear-tipped cruise missiles in the 1950s, which used a similar hangar built into the “sail” of old Gato/Balao/Tench-class submarines, but as operational submarines, the I-400s were expensive white elephants.

            A copy of the German Type-VIIC/41 submarine would have served the Japanese much better. It could dive very quickly and descend safely to 180 meters, which was the best for a WW-2 boat. Most of Japan’s World War Two submarines were based on the larger German World War *One* designs.

            Even taking Midway would not have helped them. There is no fresh water there, and the atoll is within B-17 & B-24 range of Hawaii. A Japanese garrison on Midway would have been even more miserable than they often were elsewhere.

            I also doubt any US government would have negotiated with Japan after Pearl Harbor and the Bataan Death March.

          • JohnEngelman

            Excuses. Excuses. You sound like those who blame low black test scores and inferior black performance in the class room on white racism.

            Jews and Orientals do not owe their higher average incomes to cheating, but to good genes.

            The sun is indeed rising in the east.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Rising or falling? Why is Japan stagnating for more than a decade?

          • JohnEngelman

            What has the United States been doing for more than a decade?

          • BaronBaal

            It has been watching Wall Street Jews and their cronies strip the country clean, that’s what.. Go ahead and call me an anti-Semite all you want but it’s time the Americans man up and call a spade a spade…

          • Sick of it

            The United States is only 60% white from what figures I can find. Even that may be overestimating our proportion of the modern population. Most of the children are non-white.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Sorry, I made a mistake. Japan is stagnating for more than TWO decades. Since the bursting of their Stock Market bubble in 1990.
            You may conjecture, with your pessimist views, that the USA will stagnate after its bursting of the bubble in 2008.
            Maybe. But that has nothing or very little to do with IQ differentials between countries. It has to do with economics.
            China and other developing countries have higher rates of economic growth then developed countries because they are “catching up” with the latters.
            In the neoclassical growth model, the Solow-Sawn growth model, which is the standard growth theory of economics, countries with a stock of capital further below the equilibrium point, that is, less industrialised, grow faster than the countries closer to the equilibrium point, more industrialised. Technological progress shifts the equilibrium point setting the dynamics in motion again. In this model, technological progress is exogenous. There is no mention in it of cross country differences in IQs, culture, institutions, racial mixing, etc. This model alone can explain A LOT of the high growth rate of countries like China. It is natural that developing countries should catch up with the developed ones.
            It is true that there are more advanced models such as the Endogenous Growth models that incorporate differences in institutions, human capita, etc. that can allude to difference in IQs.
            Anyway, the fact that China is growing at a rate faster than the population growth and faster than the growth rate of America DOESN’T MEAN ANYTHING SPECIAL. India is doing the same thing. Many African and Latin American countries do the same. It is exactly what economist expect.

          • JohnEngelman

            What you say is true.

            Japan has more than one third the population of the United States. The territory of Japan is about the same as that of California, with fewer natural resources.

            The fact that the Japanese economy is as successful as it is says good things about the Japanese culture, and the genetic quality of the Japanese nation.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Indeed.
            It doesn’t matter whether a country is big or small in terms of population or area. Whether it is rich in resources or not. Whether it is landlocked or riverine. Etc.
            What matters is the GNP/head, or more precisely the standard of living.
            European (White, virtually Judenfrei and Asiatischenfrei) countries very different in the above mentioned factors have nevertheless very high standards of living: Luxembourg, Switzerland, Ireland, Norway, Belgium, Austria, Germany.
            And economists and sociologists, Marxists or not ;-), predict that ALL developing countries will reach in time the standards of living of the developed countries.
            Of course, there will be a permanently changing hierarchy between the rich nations, in spite of their unchanging IQs. But believe me, it doesn’t matter much if you live in Ireland, Canada, Japan or Denmark.

          • JohnEngelman

            In “IQ and the Wealth of Nations” Dr. Richard Lynn and Dr. Tatu Vanhanen argue (plausibly in my opinion) that the greatest natural resource a country can have is a high average IQ. Poor countries with high averages, like China and Vietnam, can rise in standard of living. Poor countries with low averages, like every sub Saharan African country, cannot.

            To their argument I would argue that a growing population is a liability. More people mean that there is less of everything good to go around. In the past technological advances have compensated for population growth. However, the process was not benign for everyone. Those who could not master the new technology declined in income, often below the level where they could sustain their lives and the lives of their children.

            Currently computer technology reduces the economic value of jobs most people can learn while it creates opportunities for geniuses to acquire vast fortunes.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Do you read anything else than this IQ rubbish thing?
            Firstly, I have learned that their data is rubbish. When I asked about the IQ of the Armenians a commentator said that the IQ for Armenia was interpolated.
            Secondly, non-zero correlation between two series does not imply causation between them.
            If one just looks at the map of world IQ it becomes clear that there is a strong correlation between IQ and prosperity.
            However, the causation can be the other way round – as a country develops and modernizes the IQ of its people goes up.
            In Europe in the Traditional society (the type of society before the contemporary Modern society) about 90% or more of the population were peasants, free or more likely serfs.
            Now in the Western European countries between 50 to 100% of people live in cities, a large proportion of them having white collar jobs.
            Now, how this social change was possible if the IQ of people is static? In the past 99% were illiterates, now 99% are literates.
            You may say: the Flynn effect. All right then, but this is to admit that the whole IQ approach is rubbish.

          • JohnEngelman

            Now you sound like a liberal.

            Richard Lynn’s study of national IQ different averages is the only one of any thoroughness that exists. The reason more thorough and more accurate studies have not been made is that the topic is politically radioactive.

            Now, the average IQ of a nation – of in the case of Jews a sub race – is not static. Nevertheless, it does not change dramatically in one or two generations.

            Also, according to Professor Lynn, the average IQ of a nation can improve as the economy improves, but only to a limited degree. IQ has more of an effect on economy than does economy have an effect on IQ.

            For example, Negroes in the United States have an average of 85. Negroes in Africa have an average of 70. Negroes in the United States have about 20 percent white ancestry. They owe their 15 point advantage over their distant relatives in Africa partly to the white ancestry, and partly to living in a society created by whites.

            Nevertheless, expensive efforts to improve Negro academic performance in the United States have failed. It is therefore reasonable to assume that American Negroes are at the top of their potential, while African Negroes can improve, but only slightly.

            Professor Lynn gives Vietnam an average of 94. Nevertheless, when Vietnamese move to the United States their children usually outperform whites both in school and on mental aptitude tests. This indicates that in Vietnam both the economy and the average IQ can improve significantly.

            By every criterion I value Taiwan is a better country than China, although the racial composition of both countries is virtually identical. South Korea is a better country than North Korea, although the racial composition of both countries is identical. The success of Taiwan demonstrates what China is capable of. The success of South Korea demonstrates what North Korea is capable of.

            There are no Negro countries with thriving economies, well functioning democratic governments, and low crime rates. Therefore I and Richard Lynn are pessimistic about the future of Negro countries.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            The only exception is Barbados, which has a population of 288,725 of which 93% is Black, 3,2% White, 2,6% mixed, and 0,2% East Indian. GDP per capita is $25,800. The crime rate is comparatively low : 11,3 . Compare that with East Africa : 21,9, Middle Africa : 20,8, South Africa : 30,5 (!), West Africa : 15,4 and in the region : Caribbean : 16,9 and Central America : 28,5 (!).

          • Fak_Zakaix

            A preamble. I am not a “liberal”. Remember who I am and where I live. Here a “liberal” means a classical liberal. Ah, I may sound like a left-winger, a gauche, a Jacobin, a socialist, a red, a progressist…

            Let me tell you a thought of mine first. I do not believe that there is such a thing as “feminist economics”, “Marxist sociology”, “fascist anthropology”, “Whig history”, etc. There are only two types of social sciences: the good ones and the bad ones.

            Now, you know that I am a fan of Schopenhauer. You cannot find a more reactionary thinker than Schopenhauer.

            Schopenhauer couldn’t stand Hegel. Hegel for some like Karl Popper (a Jew, very significant) was a reactionary thinker, a proto-fascist.

            For Schopenhauer however, Hegel was the epitome of a progressist thinker. Alexandre Kojève and Francis Fukuyama would agree. They considered Hegel a fine theoretician of the transition to Modernity.

            For Schopenhauer all human societies across time and space are fundamentally the same thing. For him there is no such thing as “moral progress”. He liked Voltaire’s quote: “we shall leave this world as foolish and as wicked as we found it on our arrival”.

            However, to Hegel’s credit, Modern society is very different than Traditional society, at least on appearance. For instance, we no longer accept punishments like the cutting of noses and ears, horrendous tortures, etc. Women have achieved equal status with men and NOT because of feminism. In my country there was and is NO feminism and nevertheless we find it natural that women should be medics, engineers, scientists, lawyers, etc.

            Machiavelli quipped in 1513: “many have dreamed up republics and principalities that have never in truth been known to exist.”

            However, if a contemporary had described to Machiavelli the Modern society he would have dismissed it as an utopia.
            But what did he know…?
            So, Schopenhauer VS Hegel. Only time will tell who will have the last laugh.
            To continue…

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you for that. I look forward to the continuation.

            I am a fan of Edmund Burke. Like him I am pessimistic about human nature and human potential. My pessimism about human nature inclines me to agree with “Sociobiology, the New Synthesis,” and similar books. My pessimism about human potential inclines me to agree with “The Bell Curve,” and similar books.

            The progress that I do see during recorded history has been made possible by the evolutionary effects of civilization. Over the long run urban civilizations have increased the number of descedents intelligent people have had, while reducing the number of descendants criminals have had.

            Unfortunately, most whites have become too civilized for their own good. They do not understand the mentalities of those who are less evolved than they are. They think that a criminal justice system that works for them will work for everyone.

            They refuse to acknowledge that some races are less evolved than others, even though the evidence for differential rates of evolution is conclusive. The closer a race is in time to a neolithic environment the lower its average intelligence is and the higher is its crime rate.

            With sub races the relationship is less clear. The Greeks adopted civilization before the Scandinavians, but the Scandinavians have higher average IQ’s. Greeks and Scandinavians still have higher averages than Negroes and American Indians.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            I have posted two continuation posts but they vanished…

            Too bad because I wrote a lot and I think interesting things.

            1. I am not sure that you are a “pessimist”.

            You extol to much the “benefits of civilisation”.

            You blame the downfall of the West on the non-White minorities and immigrants and the White brothers who are friendly with these foreigners, i.e. the “Liberals”.

            Without the non-Whites (-Jews and East Asians) it seems you wouldn’t have had too many reasons to be a pessimist. You should have been an “optimist” instead as most people at the turn of the 19th century in the West were. An optimist like Jules Verne and H.G. Welles. Or like Herbert Spencer, etc.

            In contrast Machiavelli, Hobbes, Burke, Joseph de Maistre were pessimists for deeper reasons. For instance Schopenhauer the uber-pessimist lived in no other country but Germany, and in a period of its rapid development and change. “Bliss was it in that dawn to be alive…”.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those whose thinking is influenced by pessimistic political thinkers during the turn of the last century need to explain why, despite our contemporary problems, the standard of living in Europe, the United States, and the British Commonwealth is higher now than it was then. This is true despite two devastating world wars, fought largely in Europe.

            I am pessimistic about two problems that I think will get much worse in the future. The first is that caused by population growth, and that the least desirable races are the most prolific. I of course mean Negroes and Arabs. The second is that computer technology reduces the economic value of jobs most people are able to learn.

            Nothing keeps me in the United States but the lack of a reasonably good job in another country, my unwillingness to exploit the welfare system of another country, and the fact that I have not been good at learning other languages. Several years ago I had a chance of getting a computer job in Canada. I wish I had pursued it more vigorously.

            I would love to move to Israel, but I am unwilling to convert to Judaism and forsake my Christian heritage. My esteem for Jews is enhanced by my knowledge that all or most of the New Testament was written by observant Jews.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. The pessimist thinkers that I mentioned were concerned not by “limits to growth” issues, by the decreases in the standards of living, in the level of civilisation for short but by issues such as: will humanity learn to avoid wars, to stop behaving cruelly to each other, to treat their fellows as ends and not means, to control their bestial instincts, to eliminate corruption, poverty, deceit, parasitism, predation, hypocrisy, mutual hatred, humiliation, bondage, etc.? In short by moral issues.

            You should read Voltaire’s Candide and think about that it was a fairly accurate description of life at that time. Life was very nasty in the past in the WEST and not because of poverty or diseases but mainly because people treated their fellows horrendously.

            WWI, WWII, the Gulag, the Holocaust only vindicate Voltaire’s pessimism.

            Or as Thomas Hardy put it:

            “After two thousand years of mass
            We’ve got as far as poison-gas.”

            2. “The first is that caused by population growth, and that the least desirable races are the most prolific.”

            In the past ALL races were equally prolific.

            “In stage one, pre-industrial society, death rates and birth rates are high and roughly in balance. All human populations are believed to have had this balance until the late 18th century, when this balance ended in Western Europe.[6] In fact, growth rates were less than 0.05% at least since the Agricultural Revolution over 10,000 years ago.[6] Birth and death rates both tend to be very high in this stage.[6] Because both rates are approximately in balance, population growth is typically very slow in stage one.[6]”

            Personally I consider the East Asians and the Jews equally less desirable.

            But Nietzsche would have agreed with your statement:

            “Anti-Darwin. — As for the famous “struggle for existence,” so far it seems to me to be asserted rather than proved. It occurs, but as an exception; the total appearance of life is not the extremity, not starvation, but rather riches, profusion, even absurd squandering — and where there is struggle, it is a struggle for power. One should not mistake Malthus for nature.

            Assuming, however, that there is such a struggle for existence — and, indeed, it occurs — its result is unfortunately the opposite of what Darwin’s school desires, and of what one might perhaps desire with them — namely, in favor of the strong, the privileged, the fortunate exceptions. The species do not grow in perfection: the weak prevail over the strong again and again, for they are the great majority.”

            3. “I would love to move to Israel, but I am unwilling to convert to Judaism and forsake my Christian heritage.”
            Are you really a Christian? You do not sound like one. I mean a real Christian.
            As far as I know Christianity teaches that all men are equal (including Blacks, of course), that they were made in the image of God, that we should forgive the people who wronged us, that we should be merciful, humane, humble, etc. Listen to a sermon of Martin Luther King if you don’t believe me.
            How do you reconcile your Christianity with your attitudes towards Blacks and White nationalists?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            PART II.

            1. “Richard Lynn’s study of national IQ different averages is the only one of any thoroughness that exists. The reason more thorough and more accurate studies have not been made is that the topic is politically radioactive.”

            Highly unbelievable.
            Let’s admit that in Anglo-Saxon countries and in countries like France, Germany, Benelux, Scandinavia because of the ideology of political correctness, etc. academics shun such studies. (Still, nothing negative seems to have happened to Mr. Lynn & co….)

            But there are much more many countries on this small planet.

            I am pretty sure that in Italy and Spain, that have good universities and smart academics, nobody would give a damn. What about the Eastern European countries, what about Russia? Again nobody would give a damn.

            Wait a minute. What about your heroes? The Jews and the “Orientals”. Why this type of research is not pursued in Israeli, Japanese, Korean an Chines universities? If is so promising I would have expected that the Jews/Israelis would be the first to cash in from it. What about your smart Japanese? Believe me, nobody would give a damn on the political implications of this research in those countries.

            2. “Now, the average IQ of a nation – of in the case of Jews a sub race – is not static. Nevertheless, it does not change dramatically in one or two generations.”

            Wrong. What about the Flynn effect? This is precisely what the Flynn effect is. According to Flynn we, the Europeans, should by now have the IQ of geniuses. This shows that there is something “rotten” with the IQ.

          • JohnEngelman

            You don’t understand that the lower classes have the highest birth rates and that most people today in Europe are the DESCENDANTS of lower class people, do you?

            – Fak_Zakaix

            This probably is not true. In “A Farewell to Alms: A Brief Economic History of the World,” Professor Gregory Clark reports a study he made of the English population from the middle ages to the present. He discovered that rich people generally had twice as many descendants as poor people, and that poor couples averaged fewer than two children who survived and reproduced.

            Consequently as the centuries passed the entire English population became descended from those who were upper class English in 1200.

            The data he used were records kept in English churches of baptisms and marriages. Those who were rich in one century had last names that predominated in subsequent centuries. Those who were poor in one century had last names that became rare in subsequent centuries. Children born to poor people were less likely to get married, and less likely to have children that were baptized.

            On occasion, exceptional individuals did rise in status, prosper, and procreate. There was more social mobility in England than many people imagine. Upper class English in the year 1200, who eventually became the ancestors of all the white English of today, were more intelligent than the serfs and peasants they genetically displaced. They were also more prone to obey the law, to defer gratification, and so on.

            Professor Clark suspects that this process was more vigorous in England than in other parts of the world, especially other continents, and that this is the reason the Industrial Revolution began in England, rather than let us say Zimbabwe. Nevertheless, he assumes that the process was the rule, rather than the exception during historical times.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            PART I
            I remember browsing Gregory Clark’s book years ago in a bookshop. Nice book, easy to read, many graphics. I though to myself then how nice to study such things. I would have liked myself you know to become an economist (because he is an economist) but, I don’t know how, cheerfulness was always breaking in….

            Now from what you told me I am happy that I didn’t buy the book…

            Clark’s analysis is implausible.

            1. Firstly, nobody expected that the industrial revolution should have happened in … Zimbabwe. Come on.

            The debate is why it happened in Britain and not in France, Germany or the USA first.

            2. England, 1200. High Middle Age. 90% of people serfs. The rest: the aristocracy, the (childless) clergy and clerks, the city dwellers, and the free peasants.

            (Btw, “Clark evolved from “clerk”. First records of the name are found in 12th century England. The name has many variants.[2]

            Clark is the twenty-seventh most common surname in the United Kingdom.[1]”

            So how could the childless clerks/clarks pass along their name/nickname?)
            There are three gene selection processes happening in the human society: the natural selection, the sexual selection and the artificial selection. The natural selection is surviving diseases, accidents, the elements, etc. A strong immunity system is all that is needed.
            The sexual selection and the artificial one are conceptually overlapping somewhat. By artificial selection I mean things like: imprisonment, capital punishment, castration, decimation, ethnic cleansing, etc. An example of sexual selection “the hard way” is the fate of the wives of Henry VIII of England…
            Now, take the top of society, the aristocracy.

            And the serfs who were by definition the bottom of society.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            PART II.
            I have just re-read your post and now I realise that it has a Panglossian taste to it. It resembles the optimism of Social Darwinists like Herbert Spencer. Nature strives for the best.
            You have described a natural or rather social mechanism through which society’s IQ goes up and up every generation.
            Then why are you a pessimist? Or why shouldn’t the same mechanism apply to Blacks and Hispanics?
            And if to Blacks, Hispanics and Gypsies apply an opposite process, why shouldn’t this opposite process have applied to the poor of England as well?
            If Nature indeed strives for the best, why it should strive only for the people you like and not for all?

          • JohnEngelman

            Or why shouldn’t the same mechanism apply to Blacks and Hispanics?

            – Fak_Zakaix

            It will, but it requires intelligent blacks and Hispanics to be more prolific on the average than stupid blacks and Hispanics. It also requires black and Hispanic criminals to be prevented from having children by many executions and by long prison sentences.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. But this mechanism didn’t exist for Whites either.

            In the first stage of the Demographic Transition that lasted in Europe until the late 18th century there was no population growth. And there was neither a Darwinian selection for high IQ and emotional intelligence.

            “In pre-industrial society, death rates and birth rates were both high and fluctuated rapidly according to natural events, such as drought and disease, to produce a relatively constant and young population.”

            And neither in the second stage existed such a selection mechanism:

            “In stage two, that of a developing country, the death rates drop rapidly due to improvements in food supply and sanitation, which increase life spans and reduce disease.”

            So ALL people, smart or stupid, benefited from those society wide improvements.

            However in stage three it is particularly the INTELLIGENT and self-controlled people that are SELECTED OUT.

            “In stage three, birth rates fall due to access to contraception, increases in wages, urbanization, a reduction in subsistence agriculture, an increase in the status and education of women, a reduction in the value of children’s work, an increase in parental investment in the education of children and other social changes.”
            That is the more intelligent conceive LESS children.

            2. Australia was a penal colony and now is a nice country. What happened with the “criminal genes”?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            PART III

            The last reasons why I find Clark’s argument that most people in England today are the descendants of the rich people in England 1200 are:

            1. One would assume that most rich Englishmen in 1200 were of Norman descent, however according to Professor of Human Genetics Bryan Sykes in his 2006 book “Blood of the Isles” (published in the United States and Canada as “Saxons, Vikings and Celts: The Genetic Roots of Britain and Ireland”)

            “The Norman contribution to the genetic makeup of Britain was extremely small, on the order of 2 percent.”

            Moreover, “The Anglo-Saxons are supposed, by some, to have made a substantial contribution to the genetic makeup of England, but in Sykes’s opinion it was under 20 percent of the total, even in Southern England.”

            In contrast the Celts were less likely to have had many rich people at that time because they were a subjugated nation.

            However, “The genetic makeup of Britain and Ireland is overwhelmingly what it has been since the Neolithic period and to a very considerable extent since the Mesolithic period, especially in the female line, i.e. those people, who in time would become identified as British Celts (culturally speaking), but who (genetically speaking) should more properly be called Cro-Magnon.”

            Therefore it is not true that most Englishmen are the descendants of the successful people in 1200 AD.

            2. You used Clark’s analysis to argue for a process that would lead to the high IQ of the, at least, todays Englishmen.
            However, those who were rich or successful in 1200 were not necessarily high in IQ too.

            England in 1200 was not a modern rule-of-law capitalist economy. Then wealth was accumulated mainly by plunder.

          • JohnEngelman

            As I already explained, Gregory Clark based his assertions on the basis of church records. The last names of rich families in one century became more prominent in subsequent centuries. Also, there was some social mobility upward. An intelligent individual would prosper, rise in status, and have many descendants.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            The shoddy research of a stupid academic. (Btw, is he a Jew?)

            You have not answer any of my lines of criticism regarding his analysis. You are just repeating his theory.

            Another criticism. I don’t think that family names in England in 1200 partitioned mutually exclusive, as they don’t today either, the blood lines.

            “An intelligent individual would prosper, rise in status, and have many descendants.”
            Which Nature would kill arbitrarily.

          • If – *if* – a higher standard of living causes higher IQ in succeeding generations, perhaps this is the result of better nutrition for children and pregnant women. On the other hand, African blacks and Mexican greaseritos in the USA have access to precisely the same foods that whites and Asians do, but continue to churn out generation after generation of the same semi-retarded muds, taxpayer extortion programs like WIC and Food Stamps (SNAP?) notwithstanding.

            I love cooking and I’m really good at it. I do most of the cooking here, and make my family good things. We grow vegetables in planters out front, and I have moved the pepper plants into the south-facing guest bedroom for the winter. We still have plenty of peppers and blossoms that will develop into peppers on these plants.

            Blacks and browns could do this, but they choose not to.

            We save up chicken, turkey, pork and beef bones in a gallon jar in the freezer. When the jar gets full, I put the bones into our slow-cooker and boil them for three or four days. After this, I pull out the bones and then run the hot liquid through coffee filters. It is great soup stock; we use a lot of it for cooking rice, beans, split peas and lentils. When the spent bones are dry, they crumble to the touch and go into the compost bucket in the garage. We probably get all the good out of those bones, and I doubt Sayaka will ever develop osteoporosis when she’s old.

            They want McDamage burgers with sugary bread, fatty fried beef that has been pressure-washed off the spines of slaughtered cattle with a fire-hose, a side of “French” fries that have been deep-fried in beef tallow, with a sweet drink full of HFCS to go with the rest of the garbage.

            They don’t buy their children books which would excite their imagination and make them think and then get used to thinking. They don’t even take their kids to the public libraries, and these are free.

            Whether it is DNA, food, early education and culture or some combination of all four, the blacks and browns clearly do everything wrong. Free breakfast and lunch at “skoo” hasn’t helped. WIC and Food Stamps haven’t helped. “Head Start” hasn’t helped. They’re still just plain stupid.

            I’m betting on DNA because the other three clearly follow.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Have you heard of the Flynn effect? The Flynn effect is mote likely caused by learning the by nutrition improvements. People ate well in the past.

          • Luca

            Poor people are prolific, but rarely prosperous except in modern times, thanks to the misdirected assistance of modern white civilizations. In the past, the poor people had many children but few survived famine, disasters, wars, illnesses and childhood mortality.

            Rich people had fewer children but a higher survival rate, therefore allowing them to procreate and prosper.

            Liberal meddling in the natural order of things has create the population cesspool we see today.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            The social structure of the pre-Modern was pyramidal. Most people were poor or more exactly peasant serfs.
            You seem to imply that the descendent line of poor people/peasants went extinct in a few generations. But that means that a large number of people needed to be replaced from time to time.

          • I think living in New England in 1652 is still better than living in Somalia, Zimbabwe, or the CAR today.

          • Mergatroyd

            The Japanese have been successful because they imitated Western political systems.

          • JohnEngelman

            And because they had the intelligence to learn.

            Negroes have tried to adopt Western civilization for over two centuries. The results have been disappointing.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            I don’t think they even tried.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Again about the Solow-Sawn growth model.

            “A key prediction of neoclassical growth models is that the income levels of poor countries will tend to catch up with or CONVERGE towards the income levels of rich countries as long as they have similar characteristics – for instance saving rates.”

            From the Wikipedia article:

            “Econometric analysis on Singapore and the other “East Asian Tigers” has produced the surprising result that although output per worker has been rising, almost none of their rapid growth had been due to rising per-capita productivity (they have a low “Solow residual”).[5]”
            In plain English the East Asian countries grew mainly because of higher savings/investments rather than higher productivity brought by technical innovation.
            Little input of CREATIVITY it seems in this Asian “dawn”…

          • JohnEngelman

            Orientals have higher average IQ’s than whites, and lower rates of crime and illegitimacy. Those factors contribute to the success of their societies, and to their success in the United States.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Tell me, you who lionize the “Orientals” (sic) which include the Japanese, what do you think of Ruth Benedict’s negative analysis of Japanese culture in her op. “The Chrysanthemum and the Sword”. (There is a Wikipedia article).
            Ruth Benedict was a left-wing cultural anthropologist, the pupil of Franz Boas, a de rigueur philo-Semite like you, that during the antifascist WWII turned to be a ultra-jingo American, no better than the fascist enemies.
            You see, in the old days, these left-winger de rigueur antifascists had healthy instincts when the interests of America were at stake. “My country, right or wrong,” it was said then.

          • JohnEngelman

            If you can express the opinions expressed in “The Chrysanthemum and the Sword” in your own words, please do so.

            Franz Boas asserted on the basis of very flimsy evidence that the human races are intellectually equivalent. On this website I have asserted many times that they are not.

            Because I lived through the War in Vietnam I am unable to give the United States the benefit of the doubt in foreign affairs, and in war.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. I didn’t read the book but I did read about it. So may understanding of it is not excellent.

            Benedict was a cultural anthropologist who used the methodology of the “culture and personality school”:

            “The essential idea in Patterns of Culture is, according to the foreword by Margaret Mead, “her view of human cultures as ‘personality writ large.'” As Benedict wrote in that book, “A culture, like an individual, is a more or less consistent pattern of thought and action” (46).”

            Benedict considered that Japanese culture is a “shame culture” as opposed to America which is a “guilt culture”.

            “Sections of the book were mentioned in Takeo Doi’s book, The Anatomy of Dependence, though Doi is highly critical of Benedict’s concept that Japan has a ‘shame’ culture, whose emphasis is on how one’s moral conduct appear to outsider in contradistinction to America’s (Christian) ‘guilt’ culture, in which the emphasis is on individual’s internal conscience. Doi stated that, this claim clearly implies the former value system is inferior to the latter one.”

            All in all, even though as a principle she refused to rank cultures as superior and inferior:

            “Benedict, in Patterns of Culture, expresses her belief in cultural relativism. She desired to show that each culture has its own moral imperatives that can be understood only if one studies that culture as a whole. It was wrong, she felt, to disparage the customs or values of a culture different from one’s own.”

            However, in the case of Japan, a CONQUERED country, she considered its culture as very COLLECTIVISTIC, traditional and inherently INFERIOR to America’s.

            “C. Douglas Lummis has written: “After some time I realized that I would never be able to live in a decent relationship with the people of that country unless I could drive this book, and its politely arrogant world view, out of my head.”[8]”

            And to illustrate further:

            “The book became a bestseller in China in 2005, when relations with the Japanese government were strained. In that year alone, 70,000 copies of the book were sold in China.[5]”
            No comment.
            2. A problem with your world view is that in trying to understand different people, countries, etc. you dismiss entirely the social sciences (anthropology, sociology, economics, history) and stick to the sterile “IQ approach” that resembles the silly views of Madison Grant and other Nordicists.
            Social sciences have much more EXPLICATIVE power in explaining the huge differences between societies both in time and space than the sterile “IQ approach”. That is why they are so much developed and popular while the “IQ approach” is pursued only by marginal ANGLO-SAXON researchers, most probably fans of Madison Grant and other Nordicists and/or Christian Zionists.

          • JohnEngelman

            In addition to IQ, I evaluate cultures, nations, and races by rates of crime and illegitimacy. Crime and illegitimacy are more flexible than IQ, although they flex in the same directions. In the United States rates of crime and illegitimacy increased dramatically after 1960. However, Negroes had much higher rates in 1960. They continued to have much higher rates.

            Advocates of the civil rights movement argued that when blacks were no longer discriminated against they would behave and perform as well as whites. Unfortunately, black behavior did not emulate white behavior. Instead, white behavior emulated black behavior. Black behavior became much worse. There was very little improvement in black or white academic performance. Whites continued to perform and behave much better than blacks on the average.

            Unlike performance levels, culture can change dramatically in one or two generations. Someone like Hitler could not come to power in contemporary Germany. Someone like Mussolini would be laughed at in Italy.

            The cruelty of Japanese soldiers during World War II contrasted with the behavior of Japanese soldiers in earlier wars, especially World War I, and the Russo Japanese war of 1905. In these wars Japanese soldiers were known for humane treatment of prisoners of war and enemy civilians.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. “Unlike performance levels, culture can change dramatically in one or two generations.”

            If you agree on that you must also accept that the “IQ approach” I sterile because according to “race realists” the IQ is fixed.

            2. “The cruelty of Japanese soldiers…”

            Cruelty is behaviour, that can be measured like “crime and illegitimacy”.

            Culture ==> Behaviour

            3. ” In the United States rates of crime and illegitimacy increased dramatically after 1960.”
            How can the IQ approach explain such a swift change?
            4. What do you think about the Flynn effect?
            5. Why the “IQ approach” is not well developed in advanced countries where the PC ideology is not strong such as Israel, Japan, China and Russia?
            5. Maybe social sciences cannot explain entirely or much of the behaviour of American Blacks, they may be an anomaly, however if social sciences can explain at least 50% of their behaviour I am pretty sure that this is much more than the IQ approach.
            Take the regression equation:
            Y = a + b*X + c*IQ + e
            Y is the variable to be explained.
            X are social science explanatory variables.
            a, b, c are parameters to be estimated.
            e is a white noise random variable representing all the marginal explanatory variables not included in the regression equation.
            If the X variables explain much more than IQ, the “IQ approach” is sterile.

          • JohnEngelman

            3. ” In the United States rates of crime and illegitimacy increased dramatically after 1960.”

            How can the IQ approach explain such a swift change?

            – Fak_Zakaix

            The increase in crime can be explained by the reduction in the prison population, the fact that incarceration was becoming less disagreeable, and the expansion in the population of males from 15 to 30 years old.

            The increase in illegitimacy can be blamed on the sexual revolution. This has had more complex causes. In 1969 in the United States a Gallup poll indicated that most Americans believed that sex outside of marriage was morally wrong. By 1974 that had changed dramatically.

            I attribute the change to the War in Vietnam. That war was justified in terms of traditional morality. When intelligent young people turned against the War in Vietnam they often turned against traditional morality, including that which was based on wisdom.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            This is the type of explanation that a sociologist would give. Bravo.

            I see problems with your explanation though. It is too much specific to America.

            The reduction of imprisonment tariffs and the sexual revolution happened across the Western/European world.

            However those changes were concurrent with the opposing effects of decreases in population and reduced crime.

            “The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined is a 2011 book by Steven Pinker arguing that violence in the world has declined both in the long run and in the short, and suggests explanations why this has happened.[1]”

            “Pinker presents a large amount of data (and statistical analysis thereof) that, he argues, demonstrate that violence has been in decline over millennia and that the present is probably the most peaceful time in the history of the human species.”

            “Pinker argues that the radical declines in violent behavior that he documents do not result from major changes in human biology or cognition.”

            “Pinker identifies five “historical forces” that have favored “our peaceable motives” and “have driven the multiple declines in violence.”[2] They are:”

            “Cosmopolitanism – the rise of forces such as literacy, mobility, and mass media, which“can prompt people to take the perspectives of people unlike themselves and to expand their circle of sympathy to embrace them”;

            The Escalator of Reason – an “intensifying application of knowledge and rationality to human affairs,” which “can force people to recognize the futility of cycles of violence, to ramp down the privileging of their own interests over others’s, and to reframe violence as a problem to be solved rather than a contest to be won.”[5]”

            All socio-political and cultural.

          • JohnEngelman

            I attribute the decline in the crime rate to a draconian criminal justice system that removed those with genetic inclinations to crime from the breeding population.

            You are right about the sexual revolution spreading in Europe. I cannot explain that as easily as I can explain the spread in the United States.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            So you disagree with Steven Pinker thesis put forward in the book “The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined” :

            “that the radical declines in violent behavior that he documents do not result from major changes in human biology or cognition”

            and that out of the “five “historical forces” that have favored “our peaceable motives” and “have driven the multiple declines in violence” only one, the “Leviathan”, corresponds to the mechanism described by you, the rest being socio-political and cultural, isn’t it?(there is a Wikipedia article for the book)

          • JohnEngelman

            Yes I do.

          • JohnEngelman

            4. What do you think about the Flynn effect?

            – Fak_Zakaix

            The Flynn effect does not seem to have had an affect on academic performance. Otherwise I have difficulty explaining it.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            “In 1987, Flynn took the position that the very large increase indicates that IQ tests do not measure intelligence but only a minor sort of “abstract problem-solving ability” with little practical significance. He argued that if IQ gains do reflect intelligence increases, there would have been consequent changes of our society that have not been observed (a presumed non-occurrence of a “cultural renaissance”).[7] Flynn has since elaborated and refined his view of what rising IQ scores mean.”

            “Citing a high correlation between rising literacy rates and gains in IQ, David Marks has argued that the Flynn effect is caused by changes in literacy rates.[21]”

            “Flynn in his 2007 book What Is Intelligence? further expanded on this theory. Environmental changes resulting from modernization — such as more intellectually demanding work, greater use of technology and smaller families — have meant that a much larger proportion of people are more accustomed to manipulating abstract concepts such as hypotheses and categories than a century ago. Substantial portions of IQ tests deal with these abilities.”

            “Rushton and Jensen argued against expecting the Flynn Effect to narrow the US black-white IQ gap, since they see that gap as mostly genetic in origin, and there is evidence from mathematical analyses that what causes the Flynn effect is different from what causes the black-white gap.[48] Flynn has replied that he never claimed that the Flynn effect has the same causes as the black-white gap, but that it shows that environmental factors can create IQ differences of a magnitude similar to the gap.[49]”
            All these show to me that there is something questionable about the “IQ approach”.
            It is too early to be used with such cocksureness in political debates.

          • JohnEngelman

            5. Why the “IQ approach” is not well developed in advanced countries where the PC ideology is not strong such as Israel, Japan, China and Russia?

            – Fak_Zakaix

            Although IQ tests were invented in the West, people in China and particularly Japan tend to perform better than white Gentiles. Otherwise, I am not sure I understand this question.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            When I criticized Lynn data, and generally the paucity of research in the “IQ approach”, you answered that it is the best that exist in a field that most academics in America avoid for POLITICAL reasons.
            Then I asked you, if this approach were so PROMISING in explaining so many until now little understood phenomena, then why is it not pursued by academics outside the PC West, in places like Japan, Israel, etc. so that the most important researchers of the IQ approach would be Japanese, (non Western) etc.

          • JohnEngelman

            While Western civilization chokes on its own gluttony like a latter-day Marlon Brando, China continues to buy up American debt and lock away the world’s natural resources. But now, not content to simply laugh and make jerk-off signs as they pass us on the geopolitical highway, they’ve also developed a state-endorsed genetic-engineering project.

            At BGI Shenzhen, scientists have collected DNA samples from 2,000 of the world’s smartest people and are sequencing their entire genomes in an attempt to identify the alleles which determine human intelligence. Apparently they’re not far from finding them, and when they do, embryo screening will allow parents to pick their brightest zygote and potentially bump up every generation’s intelligence by five to 15 IQ points.
            http://www.amren.com/news/2013/03/china-is-engineering-genius-babies/

          • Fak_Zakaix

            The first genes of the Mongoloid race that they will change will be the genes responsible for their squinted eyes, believe me.
            But tell me, when China will replace the USA as the dominant state in the world the Israel Lobby would need to move to Beijing, isn’t it?
            I find it strange for an uncompromising Israel-firster philo-Semite like you that you look at the prospect of the toppling of America’s dominant position with such cheerfulness.
            Anyway, what is at stake is not the existence of Israel but the viability of Eretz Israel, because that is what the lobby is all about.
            However, when the USA will become a second hand power, similar in power to Canada or Australia or the UK, the power and the fame of the American Ashkenazim, the most successful and famous Ashkenazi diaspora, will come to an end. The most Nobels in natural sciences will accrue to the Chinese and other East Asians, isn’t is?
            And it is not only China that is rising, but the Muslim world and (Catholic) Latin America too.
            But you are still contemplating this prospect with glee, isn’t it?

          • JohnEngelman

            And it is not only China that is rising, but the Muslim world and (Catholic) Latin America too.

            – Fak_Zakaix

            I do not expect much from Muslims or Hispanics. Their average IQ’s are too low. I do not expect the United States to become irrelevant economically, politically, or militarily. I just think that the twenty-first century will not be thought of as “America’s Century” the way the twentieth century was.

            I do think that the civil rights legislation and the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 have contributed to America’s decline, but there have been other factors as well.

            The civil rights legislation and the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 were based on assumptions of innate racial equality that have not been verified by subsequent events.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. And very likely the end of the “Jewish Century” too.

            (“One Historian’s Look at How Jews Shaped the Modern Age”
            By David N. Myers)

            Only the Jews of the West are famous and if the West sinks…

            2. The immigration law before 1965 was highly restrictive to Jews too, as far as I know.

            “Because Eastern European immigration only became substantial in the final decades of the 19th century, the law’s use of the population of the United States in 1890 as the basis for calculating quotas effectively made mass migration from Eastern Europe, the home of the vast majority of the world’s Jews, impossible.[14]”

            Kevin Macdonald argued (with evidence) that Jewish activists played a major role in the discarding of the 1924 law with its restrictive quotas for immigrants not from North-western Europe.

          • JohnEngelman

            5. Maybe social sciences cannot explain entirely or much of the behaviour of American Blacks, they may be an anomaly, however if social sciences can explain at least 50% of their behaviour I am pretty sure that this is much more than the IQ approach can do.

            – Fak_Zakaix

            Blacks have a rate of violent crime that is nearly eight times the white rate. This is true in the United States and internationally.

            If blacks had a rate of violent crime that was 35 percent higher than whites I might be able to attribute that to culture, poverty, political institutions, “white racism” and so on.

            I do not think these temporary factors can explain a crime rate that is about 750 percent higher than the white rate. I attribute black crime and low average intelligence to different population pressures lasting for thousands of years.

            A paleolithic and even a neolithic existence rewards physical aggressiveness, and places less emphasis on superior intelligence. Civilization suppresses physical aggressiveness, while rewarding intelligent men with prosperity and more descendants.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. “If blacks had a rate of violent crime that was 35 percent higher than whites I might be able to attribute that to culture, poverty, political institutions, “white racism” and so on.”

            Who are you? A social scientist? An expert in the field?

            I asked you why don’t you enlarge your readings to include sociological and economics approaches to the problem, that I suppose are mainstream? Have you read anything else other than Rushton, Lynn & co.?

            And if you have such strong opinions and are so sure of the validity of your views why don’t you argue for them in a scholarly article publishable in a peer reviewed journal or why don’t you write a book like Madison Grant did?

            2. “A paleolithic and even a neolithic existence rewards physical aggressiveness.”

            Nope. Physical aggressiveness was rewarded up until the late Middle Ages and even beyond.

            “Pinker argues that “between the late Middle Ages and the 20th century, European countries saw a tenfold-to-fiftyfold decline in their rates of homicide.” Pinker attributes the idea of the Civilizing Process to the sociologist Norbert Elias, who “attributed this surprising decline to the consolidation of a patchwork of feudal territories into large kingdoms with centralized authority and an infrastructure on commerce.” [6]”

            from the Wikipedia article “The Better Angels of Our Nature: Why Violence Has Declined”.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            How a “race realist” like you explains the fate of the Brazilian Japanese people?

            When they emigrated back to Japan they faced serious integration problems. Japanese people consider them as second hand. Read about the “Dekasegi”.

            However, after reading the Wikipedia article about the Brazilian Japanese I have to admit that their achievements in Brazil still look impressive compared with the majority of Brazilians.

            They have:
            “31% elementary education; 30% secondary school and 30% higher education.”

            “He also visited the University of São Paulo, where people of Japanese descent make up 14% of the 80,000 students.[53]”

            “246,244 Asian people (2.2%)” of Sao Paulo population.

          • Japan’s main problem is that the Japanese are compulsive savers. They save money like other people breathe. Their government has tried to loosen up the money supply in the hope that consumer spending will bring their country out of the recession, but the people there have perversely saved it.

            While there are many unpleasant aspects to US-style consumerism, the opposite also doesn’t work very well.

          • ixObserver

            This thriftiness is true of most Asian (not just east asia) cultures. This is why Asian economies can never be like American because they don’t spend enough, in relative terms. For most Asians, having been very poor in recent memory makes them thrifty is what I think. It is changing though as some of them are becoming prosperous. Japan seems odd here.

          • BaronBaal

            It’s all part of the game plan. Japan went stagnant and the same thing’s gonna happen to China too- just wait and see…

          • BaronBaal

            Stop trying to lump east Asians with Jews because it makes you look stupid. East Asians and Jews are VERY different in almost every way, but when it comes to intelligence, Jews excel on the verbal portions of these IQ tests and are average on the rest. You really are a parasite. You see an article here at AMREN about East Asians and, being the Jewish parasite you are, try to latch onto Asian superiority and go with it. You might be able to get into the heads of some of these AMRENers but as for me you can forget about it. As I have told you before, I’ve lived around Asians for most of my life and have lived in Asia for half my life so I know what’s what. And as for Jewish intelligence, don’t even get me started…

          • Mark

            “Jews and Orientals do not owe their higher average incomes to cheating, but to good genes.”
            Sorry John but I will never take anything you write seriously after reading your above statement. I have never heard anything so ridiculous in my life.

          • JohnEngelman

            In that case there is no point in trying to have a civil, rational discussion with you. The scientific evidence for a strong relationship between genes, intelligence, and financial success is conclusive.

          • Mark

            That is not what I am questioning. There is a reason why Jews have been thrown out of most countries in Europe. Being dishonest cheats is on the top of the list.

          • JohnEngelman

            First they were thrown out because of religious bigotry. Then they were thrown out because of resentment for their superior intelligence and the greater prosperity it enabled them to earn.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            Do genes for cheating exist?

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            “It’s a cultural thing”. When the term “cultural” is used in today’s parlances what it really means is “genetic”.

            Pick your cliche; “cultural” differences, they don’t get my “culture”, etc. Inserting the latter word makes for a much more accurate and informative phrase. Plug and play.

          • Jefferson

            Funny because Blacks claim that Whites and Nonblacks in general cheat to financially get a head in life and that is why on average they have higher household incomes than Blacks.

            You are playing the poor oppressed victim card just like Blacks.

          • BaronBaal

            Especially the Jews. Just ask Engelman; he should know all about that…

          • JohnEngelman

            As far as I am concerned this site exists to promote the truth of race realism.

            Some of the posters here think that because they are white Gentiles they deserve more privileges and consideration than those who are Jews and Orientals. I disagree.

          • Now you’re making stuff up with accusations that sound more like an SPLC storyline than the kind of reality you see here. Show me the comments made where White people here say they believe they deserve privileges and considerations more than others. The overwhelming consensus is that the “privileges and considerations” White people believe they are entitled to are the exact same ones that non-Whites are afforded, usually at the expense of White society. It’s called autonomy, Yellow John. That’s something that White People are not afforded, but everyone else is.

            But you already know what kind of consensus exists here, right? You are just playing games and going out of your way to stir the pot. Just because AmRen covers for you and allows you to try and spread your afflictions and slander doesn’t mean it’s going unnoticed. It’s because of you that I’ve decided AmRen doesn’t need to ever hold another conference in TN. Jared & Co. need to understand that we have enough anti-White groups, people and entities in the world today. Real pro-White people don’t need another proxy anti-White group. They’ll need to stay in Virginia, because TN is going to be a bumpy ride from here on out.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who say that whites should have a place of their own are saying that Orientals and Jews should not be allowed to live there. In other words, white Gentiles should be given privileges and considerations not granted to Orientals and Jews.

            I am not “anti-white.” I am pro decent, law abiding people of all races.

            Jared Taylor and American Renaissance need to continue to hold their conferences because they express truths that are not expressed elsewhere. There should never be any taboos and sanctions against expressing truths that can be documented.

          • Asians and even Jews have countries—or at least one country in the case of Jews—that are allowed to be “Asian” and “Jewish” nations. White people don’t have a single country on the planet where they aren’t demonized and being forced to allow other races and alien cultures to set up shop and dictate the fate of their nations. You already know this, Yellow John. You are playing games.

            Virginia would be a great place to hold the conferences. More Asians, so you’ll be right at home. Tennessee is going to be dangerous.

          • JohnEngelman

            To whom would Tennessee be dangerous, and why?

          • Virginia, Yellow John. It makes perfect sense. A large Asian population where AmRen can foster and groom more of the Asiaphile crowd. Tennessee isn’t very forgiving of anti-White groups or even proxy type anti-White groups. Antifa types don’t do too well here for a good reason. Trust me on this. Virginia is the place to be.

          • JohnEngelman

            If it is dangerous for Jared Taylor to tell the truth in Tennessee it should be more dangerous for those who endanger him.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            NO, what you are saying is we can’t have a culture or territory that they can’t exert their will, their “culture” on, regardless of what we think or what the results are. We don’t want to colonize China or Israel. We aren’t saying no no no you can’t have your own destiny without our inclusiveness. You are saying that. If you truly believe in that double standard I am totally sincere when I tell you (in case you haven’t realized) you are an agent of evil. And weakness. Nobody here admires those qualities.

            Like I’ve said, about moving to China keep me posted.

          • Anna Tree

            This site is not for “not anti-whites”, it is for pro-whites.
            You may not want to acknowledge that, but I can’t believe you don’t know that.

          • Anna Tree

            John, the site is clearly named American Renaissance and is promoting the truth about white race realism.

            The four books featured on the right of this page are:
            The affirmative action hoax (a.k.a. discrimination against whites.)
            The rising tide of color against white supremacy.
            White identity.
            Jihad islam’s 1300 years of war against Western Civilization.

            Our enemies say “Africa for Africans, Asia for Asians and the Western nations for everybody”, your pitch is quite similar: black websites for blacks, Asian websites for Asians but white websites for everybody…

            Why are you surprised when we disagree with you all!?

          • JohnEngelman

            You do not like what I have to say, but you cannot disprove it because it is true.

          • BaronBaal

            Disprove what? You go first. You’re a mental midget and I will prove it…

          • Anna Tree

            I just did LOL

            It’s not that I don’t like what you say, it’s not about emotions but reason. It is rational to think the site is pro-white, because of the books, contributors and articles listed:

            For example when a non-white contributor is writing here, he is not talking about racialism oriented toward his race but oriented toward the whites, not even the Caucasians by the way.

            Another example: the book is Jihad islam’s 1300 years of war against Western Civilization, the book is not about islam’s 1300 years of war against India and its civilization or Africa, who actually suffered as much or more: muslims slaughtered 80 millions Indians during the 500 years of conquest/occupation and enslaved and converted as much (Pakistanis and Bangladeshis are the descendants of those victims) (reference Will Durant, Prof. K.S. Lal, Koenraad Elst etc), and muslims slaughtered an estimated 100 millions of Africans and enslaved even more, selling millions to the Europeans who brought them to the Americas for agriculture, while the women and girls going to Arabia were turned sex slaves and the men castrated, and of course millions were converted by force.

            The targeted audience of Amren is white people.

            By the way, do you know of any Asian or non-white racialist sites and do you visit them?

          • JohnEngelman

            *sigh*

            Once again. I enjoy this website because I enjoy political arguments, and because I agree with race realism. Race realism is not pro white. It is in favor of a realistic assessment of how races differ and why.

            Contrary to the charges of my detractors I am not anti white. I am in favor of decent, law abiding people of all races. In addition I prefer the company of people who are intelligent, widely read, and well informed, regardless of their race.

          • Anna Tree

            JohnEngelman, this is the straw man fallacy. I never said that race realism is pro white! I said that this site is a pro white race realist site!

            I don’t think I ever say you were anti-white, actually there is a post below which you didn’t answer where I speculate that maybe in fact you love/admire the white and the White countries so much that you want your family with whites in a white country despite mixed race. I did say you sound (North East) Asian supremacist when you state here and there that you wouldn’t mind if the whites stop to be/absorbed by the North East Asian bigger population.

            I think I am also in favor of decent, law abiding people of all races, the difference between us I think is that to assure that our countries are white countries, most of the decent , law abiding people have to be white. As I want the white countries to remain white countries similarly to I think China should be Chinese and African, African.
            I also prefer the company of people who are intelligent, widely read and well informed, there are plenty of whites like that. So many that they can fill easily all the white countries.
            I think China, Africa etc will be better off when intelligent, widely read and well informed” Chinese, Africans etc live in China, Africa etc.

            I don’t get your *sigh*.
            You didn’t answer my question, does it mean there are no Asian or non-white racialist sites?

          • JohnEngelman

            You didn’t answer my question, does it mean there are no Asian or non-white racialist sites?

            – Anna Tree

            I have explained on many occasions why I am attracted to American Renaissance.

            A black racialist site would be preposterous, and rather sad.

            An Oriental racialist site would appeal to few Orientals. Orientals take pride in their achievements, rather than their race.

            Ashkenazi Jews are aware of their superiority. They would rather not draw attention to it, because knowledge of Jewish domination in fields requiring superior intelligence arouses as much resentment as respect.

            Because Jews tend to be more intelligent, and more prosperous as as a result, they are vulnerable during periods of economic decline or stagnation.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Rubbish. There are plenty of racialist and jingoist Jewish sites around.

          • Anna Tree

            Seems to me you are implying that Amren is a white racialist site, this is what we were trying to tell you all along 😉
            This is a free world, you are free to visit and post in any sites you want, why is it a problem for you to acknowledge that Amren is a white racialist site?! You can still post your objections to it or post general racialist posts and Amren do have those too, but the bottom line it is a white racialist website, because whites need it maybe more than anyone.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            “Ashkenazi Jews are aware of their superiority. They would rather not draw attention to it, because knowledge of Jewish domination in fields requiring superior intelligence arouses as much resentment as respect. ”
            This is utterly false. There are plenty of Jewish supremacist sites. Just a keystroke away.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Yes, “race realism” is not pro-White per se. It is just a popularization of some preliminary scientific facts or conjectures.
            However this is a pro-White POLITICS site.
            And Jews and Asians are not White by definition.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews are indeed white by definition. As races, Ashkenazi Jews are biologically superior to Orientals, who are biologically superior to white Gentiles.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            White means a person of European descent.
            Maybe the Ashkenazim are smarter than other races but with their high incidence of genetic defects they definitely are not “biologically superior”.
            Before they decide to marry and have children they check whether they have recessive gene disorders. Poor creatures!
            God definitely loves them.

          • JohnEngelman

            The definition of words are conventions, rather than absolute facts. Jews are commonly considered to be Caucasians, hence whites.

            The only people who question that Jews are whites are antisemites. Antisemites do not deserve to be consulted on anything.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            This is a strange answer from a “race realist” like you.

            Ashkenazim geneticist Harry Ostrer proved that they are an Asian race:
            “DNA links prove Jews are a ‘race,’ says genetics expert”, Haaretz, May 7, 2012.
            Is he an anti-Semite too?

            “In the United States, the term Caucasian has been mainly used to describe a group commonly called Whites, as defined by the government and Census Bureau.[44] Between 1917 and 1965, immigration to the United States was restricted by a national origins quota. The Supreme Court in United States v. Bhagat Singh Thind (1923) decided that Asian Indians were ineligible for citizenship because, though deemed “Caucasian” anthropologically, they were not white like European descendants since most laypeople did not consider them white people.”

            Anyway if they are White indeed their IQ of 150 should be assigned to ALL White people, isn’t it?
            So all Whites should have an IQ of 180. The Whites are the Master race!

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            “As far as I am concerned…”

            Exactly, you are NOT representative of the average AmRen reader.
            This is a White Nationalist site, and not an asiaphile IQ fetishist site.
            Every ethnic group wants its interests be promoted, that is not undeserved “privilege” but healthy ethno-nationalism.

          • BaronBaal

            Like I’ve said before, the Asians are not the friends of Jews and they never will be so you need to stop fantasizing. As history has proven, you Jews have NO friends and you never will and it’s all because of your own doing. You see, that insane “religious” Talmud of yours teaches Jews that they are “chosen” and that because G*d “chose” them then the rest of us are somehow subpar when compared to Jews. Oh well, we non-Jews should be happy because we know the truth, and the truth is that you Jews are a sad, pathetic people who will always remain in conflict with ALL non-Jews until you have made things so bad that we must all unite simply in order to survive. The irony, again, is that almost everything that has happened to you people has been self-inflicted but you still blame it on us. Just accept the truth and learn to live with it. And again, there will be no union between (east) Asians and Jews so forget about it. The real union is gonna be between whites and Asians and it will happen on many levels. On a political level, it is the Russia-China alliance and that alliance will spread throughout all of Europe as the EU collapses under its own weight. And on a racial level, there is and will continue to be a lot miscegenation between Asians and whites. I know that the AMRENers don’t like to hear it but it’s really not such a bad thing. An Asian-White alliance will be extremely powerful and you Jews don’t have the brain power or the numbers to stop it. Just admit it, John. Your people are losing power (The latest nuclear agreement with Iran is a shining example) WORLDWIDE and there’s nothing that you can do about it…

          • But most of us actually are white gentiles, or close enough to white as makes no difference at 100 yards.

          • We have the right to live in our own nations, and survival is always moral.

          • JohnEngelman

            Tell that to American Indian nations.

          • Anna Tree

            I know you know Amren very well, remember Dr. Yeagley’s speech?

            Dr. David Yeagley, the great-great-grandson of the legendary Comanche chief Bad Eagle, not that this matter, just a Native American with an opinion: he laments that whites, a people he admires, have lost their fighting spirit and appear “headed for the reservation,” as they face displacement from Third-World immigrants. He knows what the whites did to the Native Americans and therefore he doesn’t want the same thing to happens to the whites. He says he supports our cause out of loyalty to America: “How can you give this land you took from us by force to Muslims? I won’t let you do that.” He says he cannot understand why the white man has turned his back on his warrior past. He says we
            should defend what is ours because it is ours, and never apologize for what we have achieved at the cost of our own blood.

          • Since I’m 3/16 injun, I don’t see any problem there. Even Winston Churchill was partly Amerind, from his American mother’s side of the family.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            John Engleman thinks that White people everywhere should be colonized and absorbed by Chinese numbers and a Jewish hierarchy and then get rid of many of the Browns (I refuse to call them Hispanic as many of my ancestors came from Spain and Portugal and I take offense to it. Also, they call us White, lump us together… gringo is their word of choice… I call them Brown but we can call them Marron or Pardo to spite them in Spanish too) and get rid of all the Blacks.

            This is what he wants, Chinese colonizing us extinction in North America with Jewish rulers. If we say hey whatever this or that, we just want to be separate he says, no! You must be absorbed you cannot exist!

            Make no bones about it. He doesn’t even want you to just go your own way, he wants you to be gone forever.

            JE doesn’t have the capacity to see that we are different from Chinese and we care to retain those differences. They feel the same way but they actually get to retain their homelands. The reality is that we don’t care what they do, what they have, what they might be able to accomplish… we just want our own culture and path without non-Whites whether they are brilliant or destitute.

            If a Somalian told me that they wanted their own culture and homeland without outsiders even though they have the lowest IQs on Earth I would completely understand. JE isn’t quite sharp enough to understand this… or he does and he is an evil troll… you decide. I have.

          • Berkeley Guy

            I agree with you. Having spent a small amount of energy on discovering the implicit arguments within JE’s posts, no further energy will be expended on his posts. My energy, altruism and actions will be directed towards my people.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            Yes, that is our ideology : ethnonationalism for ALL ethnic groups. There is no “hate” or “supremacism” involved. Every ethnic group should have the right to possess and keep its own territory and determine its own destiny. A perfectly reasonable attitude I think.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Berk Guy, JE isn’t one of your people.

          • Max Krakah

            There are academic tests, and there are real world tests. In the REAL world, the US beat Japan in WWII and we dominated the world’s economy before being handicapped with liberalism.

          • JohnEngelman

            Excuses. Excuses. What matters is that the United States is in decline. China is rising.

            In the United States Chinese Americans are rising. White Gentiles are sinking.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            But you don’t understand why we don’t want these Mongoloids? And the other foot soldiers of diversity? You stumble so much on your thoughts and positions no wonder you are always on your knees.

          • JohnEngelman

            The reason you don not wan them is because you cannot compete with them. The reason you can’t compete with them is because they are biologically superior.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            It is too bad your low personal IQ compels you to comment here. Your ignorance is only exceeded by your innate weakness. I live in an area of the country where we have the most Asians and the truth is they can’t compete with me in any arena; intellectually, economically, physically or socially.

            I’m smarter, taller, better educated, stronger, better looking and have an IQ over 135. And I have been with many Japanese, Hmong, Vietnamese, Chinese and Polynesian women… they love me.

            Your confused; they are biologically superior to you.

            Let me know when you are going to respond to your imminent move to China. A fraud and a fool is no way to go through life. Flounder, yes flounder I proclaim is JE’s new amren handle!

          • JohnEngelman

            I’m smarter, taller, better educated, stronger, better looking and have an IQ over 135.

            – DudeWheresMyCountry

            If your IQ is over 135, why are your posts so lacking in content, knowledge, and insights?

          • BaronBaal

            The idea of Engelman moving to China and opening up a business there leaves me laughing. I would give him 2 years max before his business went belly up. So much for his high Jewish intelligence, lol. And trust me, I do business with Mainland Chinese so I know. He wouldn’t stand a chance…

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            You are in no position to speak of intelligence. Your inability to think critically is obvious to everyone here. You speak of the greatness and superiority of nations you will never live in. Ever. If you believed it was better you would go. You lie.

            Answer the question I have asked for years, WHY DON”T YOU LIVE IN CHINA?

            I will make this clear to you once more: we don’t care what qualities non-Whites have, whether they are smart or stupid. We want our own culture without them; we feel that is better for us and our children. It isn’t about competing with them in our homelands. If you can find a Chinaman who wants millions of cultural aliens to occupy their homelands again you will be lying.

            Your like the guy who keeps showing up at the Ferrari factory with Chinese knock-off parts insisting we use them as the Ferrari people keep saying, no thanks go build your own car in China.

            We think our culture is better and our culture is better without them. So do you, hence you not living there or even visiting. There is no reasonable reason why we would include them so they could diminish our culture.

            You are an agent of evil as you think we should be consumed by a culture that isn’t even inclusive itself.

            I would ask you why you can’t understand why we don’t want to be a colony of China but you know why, you are here to continue repeating the same low intelligence arguments over and over like a robot. You know we just want to be left alone and we have no problem leaving them alone but that isn’t enough for agents like you… anything short of my grandchildren living in a China run society isn’t good enough.

            You are an agent of genocide, nothing short of world controlled by Shanghai and Tel-Aviv is enough for you.

            If a Chinese national came to this site and said, hey we just want our own culture and territory and you have yours everyone here would be good with that… except you.

            We don’t seek to control countries and cultures… you do.

            We don’t seek to destroy other cultures for the sake of White colonization… you do.

            You are an agent of evil.

            Until you can formulate an original argument beyond the tired points you repeat you should think about another site to contribute to.

            And don’t say another word until you answer for everyone here WHY YOU DON’T LIVE IN CHINA??

          • JohnEngelman

            WHY DON’T YOU LIVE IN CHINA?

            – DudeWheresMyCountry

            If I could get a job in China I would run to catch it. Until then I appreciate the Chinese who have moved here. They perform and behave well. They are credits to China, and assets to the United States.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Don’t give up. You should really try… oh wait you could never get a job in China, you aren’t Chinese. Well just go get a killer job in Israel… oh hold on, you aren’t Jewish.

            Huh, I’m confused… China and Israel don’t want their countries’ jobs to go to people who aren’t part of “the group”.

            See they want their hard-earned jobs and economics to go towards and with people who are a part of their genetic and cultural group, that is better in the long and short term for their countries’ continuity.

            Bringing in outsiders who have different values and histories only brings more problems. That is what has happened in The West and is a big part of our collective decline.

            China and Israel don’t care if you are smart or stupid or good or bad or productive or lazy… all they care about is that you are not part of their group and will not provide any continuity to their short and long term interests. Having you in China doesn’t make China better no matter what you do. If you are lazy you are a burden. And an alien. If you are productive you take opportunities from their group, which is why China exists, to further their group, not you in any way.

            Either way you stand in the way of continuity.

            Either way you are not a part of their group.

            Are you starting to understand now?

          • I was offered a university teaching job in China in July. They asked me for a letter from my local police department, so I admitted my past. That job offer was revoked at Warp six, Mr. Sulu.

            It would have been great to get back into my old field, even teaching, but Sayaka hates Chinese, and we have a house here, along with some vehicles, one of which actually runs. The rejection didn’t exactly pain me.

          • JohnEngelman

            I will make this clear to you once more: we don’t care what qualities non-Whites have, whether they are smart or stupid. We want our own culture without them.

            – DudeWheresMyCountry

            American employers disagree with you. That is why Orientals in the United States tend to earn more than white Gentiles.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are an agent of evil…

            You are an agent of genocide

            – DudeWheresMyCountry

            You are losing it.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            You never had it.

            Why can’t you get a job in China?

          • JohnEngelman

            My personal life is none of your business unless I chose to discus it.

            Why can’t you post comments that indicate intelligence, knowledge, and civility?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Rubbish. What truly matters is to have the luck to live in a decent, nice, unassuming country like Switzerland, Denmark or Slovenia.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            US is in decline because too many non-Whites are now here.

            China is rising because China utilizes White technology and ideas.

            Facts you can’t dispute.

          • JohnEngelman

            US decline would be worse without the high IQ Jews and Orientals who live here. No country can have too many people with high IQ’s.

            China is rising because Chinese have higher average IQ’s and lower rates of crime and illegitimacy than white Gentiles.

            Facts you can’t dispute.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Disagree, your “facts” are not facts but opinion. The US wouldn’t be worse off without Chinese immigration, there would be more jobs for Americans.

            China isn’t rising because of that; China has risen from the middle ages because of Western innovations and technology, without it they would just be a two billion person mud pit.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Are the outperforming East Asian students at Ivy League universities foreigners or American citizens?
            If they come from abroad maybe they are the best in their billions strong countries.
            Of course if one draws for billion times even from a population with an average IQ of 80 one gets a large sample of super smarts.

          • BaronBaal

            There are a lot of Asians and whites out there who are smarter than you, Engelman. Just remember that…

          • Mark

            “The superior performance of Orientals on all the mental aptitude tests however they are designed is a settled issue.”
            Is it as settled of an issue as the global warming John?

          • JohnEngelman

            Yes.

      • Bob

        Well the Chinese do know that cheating works. I can’t help think of the guy a couple of years ago who wore a rubber “old man” mask to sneak into Canada and was detected at the airport customs/border security once he reached Canada. You would think he would be immediately deported on the next plane back to xing xing or whatever but no, he is now a Canadian even though the authorities knew he was a con man willing to break international law to enter the country. Who would have known?…the Chinese guy I suppose.

      • Spartacus

        Not quite, Engelman. An Asian thinks more about the ends than the means. If they cheat at an exam, and they don’t get caught, it means they succesfully gamed the system, which is in and of itself a proof that they deserve it. We have a similar view of things here in eastern Europe, so I can sympathize .

        It’s not a matter of intelligence as it is a matter of viewing the state.

      • LolKatzen

        Steve Sailer has the Americans results broken out by ethnicity and Asian Americans are doing as expected–well. You can’t attribute that to cheating.

    • The Final Solution

      Asians are notorious cheaters and most of the time they do not even think of it as cheating. I experienced it first-hand in Korea. I had an adult student who was probably in his 50s hand in a paper that was taken directly from Wikipedia. I had to explain to them what plagiarism was. When I took an exam to get my forklift license in Australia the one Asian guy wrote notes all over the inside of his drink bottle. The test was 25 questions and you had to get every single one correct. I passed with diligence and effort – can you imagine this cheating $@$! operating something as dangerous as a forklift or much worse?

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      I agree! The East “rises” because of us in regards to what we do and don’t do.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Mr. Engleman, you have the floor, sir…

    • Did you catch the comment where Yellow John said White women wanted black men for things he couldn’t speak about. But then said that all women desire Asian men for their superiority? Priceless!

      • borogirl54

        Not necessarily so. Asian women actually prefer white men than Asian men because white men appear to be more masculine than Asian men.

        • You’re gonna have to submit this correction to Yellow John. I’m actually pro-White, so that means I don’t make the rules here.

    • JohnEngelman

      Pat Buchanan already said it. Vote him down instead.

      • No, Yellow John, Buchanan wasn’t speaking of some Asian superiority like you always ramble on about. His premise was more about the failure of education that has taken over the West. The Asian countries and provinces on the list share one thing in common: They are extremely homogeneous societies. This is even true for the Asians in America, who are more likely to be isolated and exempt from the forced integration that is expected of all White people and societies on the planet.

        • JohnEngelman

          What matters is that Orientals have more high IQ alleles.

          • The only thing that really matters is that you are an Omega. Your agenda is obvious, and any real pro-White site would have snuffed you out long ago.

          • Alexandra1973

            Be that as it may, it doesn’t mean that they should be welcome in White nations. They should use the intelligence they have for the benefit of their OWN countries.

        • borogirl54

          Ironically, Japanese Americans are the group that have one the highest rates of interracial marriage.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            They seem the closest to Caucasian to me.

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Ha ha! Tell me to vote you down?

        Asians are far from my primary concern as I think you know.

      • dd121

        We in the West underestimate the East Asians at our own peril. I know that’s not popular on AmRen, but that’s how I see it.

  • D.B. Cooper

    I have been the recipient of many thumbs down on my comments about this article on other pages. All I did was say that “I wonder how high their scores would be if 12% of their population were black, and another 13% were nonwhite Hispanic? While we’re at it, how high would our scores be if we only counted white students at school that are over 75% white?”

    • In order to be truly accurate, you would have to only count a 99.99% White student population that has been far removed from the dumbing-down propaganda that has been thrust upon the White Western world for decades and decades. That’s exactly what the Asians did when submitting to this kind of testing. They removed the dumb ones from the equation. Voila! Instant geniuses.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      The truth hurts. Give ’em hell, in other words… keep bringing up the truth!

  • Jack Burton

    Let’s deport all of our blacks, Hispanics and other third-worlders to those Asian countries, and turn their media and government against them, then let’s see how well they do.

  • Marc Zuckurburg

    We need comprehensive immigration reform.

    Comprehensive immigration reform will raise wages and salaries, strengthen national security, prevent terrorism, enhance our domestic crime-fighting ability, ensure that we continue to encourage the best and brightest to partake of the American dream, enhance our competitiveness and our ability to innovate, and make America more prosperous.

    Make my immigration reform comprehensive, please!

  • borogirl54

    I am not surprised that the most successful American students are white and East or South Asian. I remember watching a local quiz show for high school students. All of the students involved were white or Asian, there were no blacks or Latinos involved.

    • Jefferson

      Hispanic students are prevented from performing very well in school because they are living in the shadows for fear of deportation, so they can not concentrate on their school work.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        Blacks and Browns don’t have time for science and match and literature and history and geology… they have to concentrate on their Bean and Bantu studies.

        • Yancy Derringer

          Geology?

  • Strike_Team

    Whites in the US are doing better than expected when you take into account the horrible state of public schools in the US. Even in white areas, the schools still feed the kids the lowbrow materials designed to cater to the dumbest students, meaning blacks and browns. The fact that the blacks and brown overall can’t tackle the dumbed-down materials says a lot.

    White kids doing as well as they did considering the inferior school systems here in the US bodes well for us, once we get the unnameable enemy off our backs.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      In many places our public schools are a form of ritualized child abuse for White children.

    • Garrett Brown

      White Americans still score in the top two percent internationally.

  • Ella

    I bet that there are lots of engineers, educators, programmers and skilled professionals on AmRen who really wince at the PISA results. As we’re forced to pay more taxes on a failed system, public schools continued to decline because of 3rd world immigration and forced integration. Are there any high performing Asian and White school districts in the USA who score similar to Korea, China and Norway??????

  • Luca

    What if all that tax money was never spent on forcing blacks to pretend that they were in school to learn? What if all the free lunches and warm and fuzzy programs were discontinued and we allowed kids to fail, stay back or drop out, what would our society look like today?

    Well, blacks would be Pullman Porters and delivering the mail and Mexicans would be picking fruit and selling tacos.

    Seems to me that was the natural order of things, just like back in the 40’s and 50’s and not because of discrimination, but because of Darwinism.

    • Jim Henry

      Not only are blacks still Pullman porters and deliver the mail, thanks to A.A., they are the train engineers and they damn near run the USPS.

      • Nice? Kind? Guy

        That’s why I only use FedEx now.

  • bigone4u

    Pat is right. We must accept the inevitable, which is SEGREGATION. We’re too much in debt to keep throwing money at a problem money won’t solve. Break out those students who are interested and able to learn and turn them into world-class young scholars. As to the mostly minority group that is uninterested and incapable of learning much, then educate them to the extent of their abilities in their own dumbed down schools and classrooms. Today the undertow is killing our academic performance. With a dose of realism, meaning segregating the best and brightest, the nation’s academic performance can rise to the top again.

    • borogirl54

      The problem is that the schools are trying to steer every student towards college prep courses. Not all students are college prep material. I would like to see a push towards vocational education in high schools.

      • Anna Tree

        Yes I agree with you that not everybody is built for academic studies and
        that the educational approach in the US and Canada and in all the countries where kids are forced to stay in the academic path, is flawed. The US educational approach ends disadvantaging children who are not successful in the school system (paid with our tax money) AND children who are when it forces them together in the classroom.

        It is different as far as I know in Europe. Also in Europe the testing methods (not talking about PISA here) are different. Some tests are done orally or in essays, one either knows the answer or doesn’t! Here there is a lot of multiple choice, true or false, sometimes with notes!!! And to top that sometimes children are graded on scale!

        In my country of origin, the sorting comes at 12 years old. Those who have low scores, the will and their parents agreement will be redirected
        to a trades school. Like all other children, they will continue their schooling until they are 16, including language, math, science etc BUT not as in depth as in the academic path. Their success will also be primarily rated from their trades courses marks not the academic ones. They learn trades and specialize in one. They get a apprenticeship with a local company and learn a profession that will make them as happy and productive as children who stayed in the more academic path. If not more. It is not a question of intellect or social status. Most, if not all, after finishing their studies, work and some actually will be richer than those who continued to university, and with less debt if at all. It is just that some children don’t want to sit and learn, or can’t, they want to built, work with their hands, earn already money, work in the family business etc

        But of course it is foremost a question of intellect. When it is the case, it is even more heartbreaking! It must be awful to know every day that you understand and achieve less than the other kids in the class. And that for 10 years!!! Not that anybody tell them, it would be racist, but some know it deep inside, it just make their hatred stronger too…

        • Anna Tree

          So to hide the flawed approach, something even more incorrect and dramatic has evolved: now it is not only no child behind, but no scores behind! That is, everybody is given (a) passing scores, if not good scores or (b) the passing grades are just lowered for some in the population (secret affirmative action).

          (a) There was this article “Father says his severely disabled 18-year-old son’s high grades are a sham” Here a quote: “Eighteen-year-old Jared DeWeese is severely disabled. He cannot walk, talk, read or write. Nevertheless, WSB-TV reports, he is receiving straight A’s in several courses, including algebra, biology and world history at a school in Gwinnett County, Georgia. Now, Jared’s father, Wes DeWeese, is publicly questioning exactly how such a feat is possible, given his son’s limited aptitude and cognitive skills. “My wife and I were pretty astounded,” Wes DeWeese told WSB-TV. “Glad he’s getting 90s and 100s. But he can’t do any of these. He has the mental capacity of a six-month-old.” As the Daily Mail reports, DeWeese suspects that the grading policy at his son’s school is a sham meant to improve the overall statistics of Gwinnett County schools.”

          (b) You have to pass a civil service test in order to be a school
          janitor in New York City. Whites have an awkward habit of outscoring blacks and Hispanics, so in 1996 the U.S. Department of Justice said the test was racially biased. The Giuliani administration and the Board of Education want to solve the problem by dropping the passing grade from 70 percent to 60 percent, and treating everyone who passes as equally qualified rather than hiring the top scorers. Tough luck for white man Michael Reilly. He got 95 on the test and was originally ranked 34th out of 544. According to the new scheme he was bumped to 345th on the hiring list. “What’s the sense of studying for the exam?” he wants to know, especially at a time when the city pretends to be wracking its brains for ways to improve student performance in school. As usual, some judge will decide what’s fair and what’s not. (Carl Campanile, Bias Flap Over City Custodian Test, New York Post, April 18, 2000, p. 17, couldn’t find it anymore in the web but there is a similar article from Chuck Bennett, just websearch the title)

          In our zeal to be politically correct we now spend disproportionate amounts of money on serving a subset of a population. Yes, people with disadvantages or disabilities should be helped by society if possible, but not to the detriment of the larger population that is ultimately going to be the ones who are going to provide for them. Now it is all about “having a right to this and a right to that” Everything has become a “right”. We have lost perspective of what is in the best interest of this society as a WHOLE and instead have become entirely focused on what is in OUR personal best interest and then turn that into “It is our RIGHT to have that”.

          North American schools are more interested in socially engineering their students then they are in teaching math, English and science. As long as you graduate high school with a politically correct view of the world, everything is okay.

          One of the problem is that we cannot discuss issues without being called a monster, nazi, racist etc. Today’s education is a big lie.
          We have been dumbed-down so not very smart people can have self-esteem. And maybe worse, to made us “sheeple”, so we won’t defend rights and freedoms as long as we can watch reality tv. Teachers are no longer allowed to teach challenging curriculum because some students fail to make good marks. Nevertheless, as per the U.S. Dept. of Education, 7% of Detroit 8th graders are proficient in reading, only 4% scored highly enough to be rated “proficient” or better in math. In 1950, Detroit was the wealthiest city in America on a per capita income basis. The demographic changes destroyed the city as I fear it will destroy the country. And Detroit still gets a lot of money: statewide, Detroit’s spending per pupil is in the 91st percentile and DPS teachers are paid at the 96th percentile. (FreeRepublic, NCPA websites etc)

          Right now, because of our political correctness, wishful thinking, self-projection, affirmative action etc not only those people are lied to and lie to themselves and feel untitled to get a university degree when they shouldn’t have passed grade 6, but they lower the level of education forthose who are smart enough to learn more and better.

          The herd is held back to accommodate the weakest member… just the opposite of the way things work in nature. No wonder that the US scores lower and lower in international studies. Especially
          that in my opinion, sadly the diverse herd of today is not the herds of the yesteryear when America was great and … homogeneous. The common denominator of today is not the common denominator existing in the 50s or 60s. It is going down to the mean of the common denominators of the countries the immigrants are coming from.. each year more of them, then each year, lower… In my opinion the trend will sadly get worse, and in
          Europe too as their demographics are changing too.

    • When I was a kid (I’m 70) the NYC public schools expelled the trouble makers, kept the slow ones back and moved the bright ones ahead as fast as they could go. [sarcasm]Of course those were the bad old days.[/sarcasm]

  • Dave4088

    China and the East are rising while a black and brown idiocracy is rising in America. I hope the House of Representin comes up with answers and soon.

  • William Krapek

    I think we need to accept that the “blip” was Islam. Both before and after we were more than keeping up with the Chinese.

    • Anna Tree

      William Krapek, you are correct, islam was a plague for Europe.

      But I think you misread A multiracial Individual’s blip’s allusion: I think he meant that our place at the top was just ephemeral, that the North East Asians are going back to the place they are supposed to be.
      He is not right though, what is happening to the whites due to large non-white populations and the consequent miscegenation and dumbing down, is what trigger our lower scores. And anyway, we are still more creative and ingenious and they still have to copy us.

      • William Krapek

        Oh I understood him properly. That’s actually a typical argument – even Napoleon made it. But it wasn’t true 200 years ago and I don’t think it’s true now. We’re on top because we earned it. But we will have to get rid of our deadweight and put our parasites on a leash; by which I mean “special whites.”

  • JohnEngelman

    a multiracial individual,

    Where have you been? I missed you.

  • Berkeley Guy

    I go to UC Berkeley now, as I have mentioned in other posts. Nearly half the students here are Asian. Having talked with several of them, and getting into very in-depth discussions about the cultural differences between Europeans and Asians with two of them, I can say that their familial and cultural sense of duty to be high-acheivers in school is what motivates them to score so well on tests. One girl I know spent her whole life studying. She did not play outside with other children, or do any extracurricular activities that were not directly related to math or physics. I’m not saying this is bad, but to know this helps to understand their high scores. Also, I do think Berkeley likes to have foreign students because they pay so much more tuition than us here would (International fees are higher).

    I love my fellow Europeans, but if we are to have a culture of creativity and innovation, we can’t sit around watching TV, mainstream movies from Hollywood, and reading junk journalism that is about gossip more than learning about which laws are being broken that do damage to individual liberty. We can’t spend all weekend chasing after girls, drinking, smoking, and engaging in other unhealthy activities. And we can’t even spend a siginificant portion of our time skiing or snowmobiling. Some of these activities are enjoyable, but if someone sees that you have luxury, and that generation after generation you trade wisdom and a thirst for knowledge and real adventure for a life of materialism and comfort, then you better know they will seek to outmaneuver you through economics or otherwise. Wars can be fought quietly now, with one side just waiting for the other to dwindle due to many factors, whether they be through miscegination (losing a sense of nationality) or a vapid consumer-type mentality.

    Whenever I see posts like this I want to sit down with you all and discuss strategy and tactics for maintaining our nationality (our European history and culture). Due to human nature, other peoples simply want the things we have. So maintaining our identity takes a lot of work, which entails using a lot of personal time. Learn another European language. Control your altruism and direct it toward your fellow Europeans/European Americans. And this altruism strategy is big. Give the plastic smile (which I have seen here at Berkeley innumerable times) when you don’t like someone or what their saying. Instead of trying to directly do battle with those that oppose us, through media or art, it may be beneficial in many instances to just move out of the way with a smile, while taking note of their bias against you. When people attack us, we can learn from them and about what motivates them, which is advantageous to us, by feigning interest or agreement, just for the moment, to extract the necessary information to understand our position. Carry an air of being very supportive while acting in the opposite way when it matters. They sap you of your energy and happiness by forcing you into their game–don’t play along.

    I had to learn some of these things by reflection from being around so many Asians here. They use micro-aggressive tactics because they can’t stand to see a straight white male who is intelligent (not all of them, but many). I have witnessed a young Asian male look disgusted, and shifting uncomfortably in his seat, because some blonde five-year-old was solving a logical puzzle through evolving his hypothoses when asked critical questions–he just could not stand to see that little boy to be that smart. This along with the fact that Asian girls sometimes go for the blonde guys. They are very jealous of their women dating western men, which is understandable, but I digress.

    Being here in the liberal bastion of Berkeley has forced me to have a Great Racial Awakening. Many people don’t like me here, and many see me as ‘other.’ I have been refereced by race more times than I can count, and I can’t remember the last time I referenced someone by their race while talking with them. I mean, a black administrative worker called me ‘a typical eastern white male,’ which I had never heard before. She didn’t use the expression negatively, but still, what if I had done the opposite?–you fellow whites out there know what I mean.

    Lastly, I’d like to say to my fellow European Americans that your children do not need overpriced education, if you are sending them to college to learn academics. I learned more about people and myself than I did about academics–I could have just looked up nearly 9/10 of any assignment or paper online without needing a library. Save your money, the future of education for us is in homeschooling and managing our own online databases of pdf files, text documents, and video lectures. While difficult to maintain the discipline to study for 6 or 8 hours per day, we can do it by working a little at a time. I watched TV a little less and a little less until I don’t watch it at all. Same with other silly extraneous activities. We need an approach like this within our European culture. Our time and energy is valuable, so let us optimize them for our purposes.

    • Chip Carver

      No one is trying to exterminate Asians in the US. They are trying to exterminate Whites.

      I went to UCLA, it was filled with Asians, especially in my core classes (that I majored in a technical area is all I will say). Most were nice. Again, I have to point out that the bulk of their success is due to literally being automatons, doing nothing but studying. And that’s why Whites leapfrog past them in the real world in the sciences and technology. We are creative and inventive and those talents come to the fore. In another post I provided a link to a site that shows Whites catch up to and then outperform Asians as the college years roll by, the test scores for Medical School admissions being just one indicator.

      I do agree with “Berkeley Guy” that we need to straighten our culture out. Otherwise we will end up with no one inventing or creating anymore. Our “culture” right now is not ours. Is has been manufactured by the tribe and it is hurting our youth. We lose a bit more of them to this mess with each passing year. The Asians due their best to try and insulate their children from this crap. Whites just move along, most of them totally unaware, using the one-eyed bolshevik in the living room as a baby sitter or third parent to help raise the kid. They end up raising a mess or at best someone who comes nowhere near tapping their true potential.

      • Berkeley Guy

        Chip,

        So you know exactly where I am coming from if you went to UCLA. I’ve seen that the stats are similar for that university. The UC system as a whole is like this. That’s ok though, as we’ll work out the future of education for our youth.

        Yes, I have heard first-hand from a Chinese girl that her mother tells her to avoid the lowly parts of American culture. I was mostly unaware when I was younger. A lifetime of cultural reprogramming almost had parts of me believing that I needed to feel negative toward myself and fellow European Americans. But it was all for naught. The Indo-European Y chromosome eventually asserted itself, and a man grew older and more experienced; and so the power of cultural persuasion evaporated.

      • ixObserver

        “one-eyed bolshevik”

        The best laugh I have had in a week or probably more. I presume that’s a TV you are talking about. Lovely.

        • Chip Carver

          Oh yeah. The bolsheviks control programming, so why not?

      • Dr. Möbias

        It’s easy for Asians because they are allowed to be politically ethno-centric to protect their language, history and culture inside of the U.S. If we Whites, who created this country, try the same we are instantly denounced as Nazis. That is because this country is controlled by anti-Whites who have complete dominance over the media, government and academia. We Whites will not win or make any progress until the anti-Whites are purged from our midst and we again have control over our destiny. It will either be this way or we will be a race without a country of our own.

        • Chip Carver

          Correct. The anti-whites are ridiculous in their fervor as well. The tools are so hopped up on trying to show everyone that they aren’t racist, that they take self-hatred to new extremes. I mention that there is deliberate, conscious programs designed to hamper Whites trying to get into college, and the next thing you know is some buffoon is screaming “Stormfront!” at me, never mind the usual playing with the truth, ignoring inconvenient facts. But maybe we’re wrong. We’re imagining all of it. Affirmative Action doesn’t really exist. Our government doesn’t really kowtow to a certain lobby I won’t mention, does it?

    • Chip Carver

      I forgot to mention in my previous post about the passive aggressive tactics used by Asians and their jealousy of intelligent White males – it was brought up by “Berkeley Guy”. That behavior was par for the course at UCLA. The most fun was watching them crash and burn when professors would decide to change from a multiple choice exam to an essay exam. The Asians would be near riot mode.

      The Koreans and Chinese were the ones most infuriated by intelligent Whites. Most of the Japanese didn’t seem to be bothered and some went out of their way to try and be friendly. In one biology course a Korean student tried to sabotage a couple of Whites. It was embarrassing.

    • Anna Tree

      Great post Berkeley Guy. I am naturally following similar philosophies and trying my best with my kids.

      I have read the Battle Hymn of a Tiger Mom by Amy Chua, fortunately when I was already a white racialist. I think it is time for somebody to write the Battle Hymn of a White Bear Mom/Dad!! But of course that book will be branded as racist unlike Mrs. Chua’s… I do think hers was a Chinese racialist book.

      Anyway, there was some correct reflections and critics on the West (maybe she used it as a pc term for white or maybe she was consciously or not belittling the whites as if the Western Civilization is not the White Civilization) and I think I read between the lines some admiration, if not completely for our (white) present/for what we have become (I wonder if she understands the reasons for our enforced decline), then for sure completely for our past, notably in music.

      At the end of the book, she reports a conversation with her first born Sophia:
      – “I refuse to buckle to politically correct Western social norms that are obviously stupid. And not even rooted historically. What are the origins of the Playdate anyway? Do you thnk our Founding Fathers has Sleepovers? I actually think America’s Founding Fathers had Chinese values.”
      – “I hate to break it to you, Mommy, but -”
      – “Ben Franklin said, ‘If thou loveth life, never ever EVER wasteth time.’ Thomas
      Jefferson said,’I’m a huge believer in luck, and the harder I work the more I have of it.’ And Alexander Hamilton said, ‘Don’t be a whiner.’ That’s a totally Chinese way of thinking.”
      – “Mommy, if the Founding Fathers thought that way, then it’s an American way of thinking,” said Sophia.

      I typed down some of the best parts of the book: if somebody is interested.
      I do think it is a good read for white non-racialists to be introduced to racialism a la Chinese, the book did bother many of the liberals.

      For us racialists it is entertaining but mostly nostalgic too as in twisting the blade in our wounds, as indeed Mrs. Chua’s ways were once the European ways of education. One can read the book not necessary to learn about educated Chinese way of raising their children, but to pick up some views on allegedly our decadent/decreasing/decreased in quality parenting ways from a mostly “integrated” Chinese, an American from Chinese descent, I am not sure how she sees/calls herself.

      • Berkeley Guy

        Anna,

        Very interesting reply.

        My Chinese friend came here thinking that the Chinese invented a lot of things. It is part of their propaganda strategy to instill national pride. They try. Pi (3.14159…), my friend thought, was invented by the Chinese. But the Babylonians had an approximation, which is all you can ever have of an irrational number, of pi approximately four thousand years ago. They even think that the Greek letter for Pi is a Chinese character .

        Amy Chua married a Jewish man and is on record saying that she raised her kids ‘Jewish.’ So perhaps there are some semantic issues in her arguments that she has to work out, lest she thinketh that cognitive dissonance is a decent strategy.

        She was born here in our country. Have you seen the clothes she wears or heard the language she speaks? Western. She was raised a Catholic (I’m getting some of this from online sources, so perhaps you can do better in finding more rigorous resources). Attended western schools and colleges for all degrees earned. Married a ‘western’ man, and raised her family in the west. She is, prima facie, westernized. Battle Hymn of a Westernized Tiger Mom.

        The philosophies of the founding fathers were based in western thinking, originating in Ancient Greece and Rome, and are considered classical Renaissance-style philosophy. They were reading European philosophical works while formuating their ideas, as well as adding their own. Benjamin Franklin even stayed a few weeks with David Hume. Hollywood can keep the silly superheroes, give me the great Western thinkers anyday.

        Single-line quotes that Chua uses to sum up the founder’s thinking is inadequate to understand why they formulated this country the way it was. I think she would need to look far past the quotes and get into the philosophy that those men were reading to even begin to understand their choices and their perspectives on life. A lot of what they thought was far removed from the bulk of Chinese thinking, and one would have to stretch meanings far to try and equate Kong Fu Zi (Confucius) with most of the western thinkers.

        • Anna Tree

          While discovering/inventing the gunpowder, the paper, printing and compass and numerous other inventions, they in general achieved less than Europe, despite also being of greater numbers, and since the 1200s kind of stopped inventing at all. It seems that a more peaceful living do this, but this means also a state of mind, thefore it’s the DNA. Maybe it’s the competition that exist and always existed in Europe… I am not surprised about what you say about your Chinese friends, it must be very upsetting… I also feel most of them think they are superior (I don’t mind), while some whites may feel superior too but are not allowed to express this nowadays (in the past it was mostly expressed against each other Europeans), many of my friends actually feel inferiors, so it must be uncomfortable when Chinese realize some of the lies they were told.

          Yes indeed, she is a Westernized tiger mom. Also her children are of mixed races, Chinese and white: so more individualist and rebel than the average Chinese, and more creative and ingenious too. So it is not only how she raised them, it’s in their genes…

          Oh you are so right about the great Western thinkers! Do you have a book you would advise for me?

          • Berkeley Guy

            Anna,

            If you’ll allow me to say, no one gets to tell us (allow us) to speak in one way or another save for ourselves. Freedom of speech no matter how absurd others think it is. 🙂

            I have looked at some genetic studies about Ashkenazim, and they showed admixture with diverse European strains with a middle-eastern base. I’m not sure how the Ashkenazim feel about the studies, but perhaps some feel more in tune with their middle-eastern base. Of course, some also converted to Judaism from Christianity etc. So some may feel they are more European. It would be interesting to hear more of their thoughts on this.

            Didn’t the Egyptians have papyrus first? But maybe the Chinese innovated a better form of paper.

            As for books, I wish you and your children great enjoyment in reading! Perhaps you can start with the ancient Greeks, such as Plato and Aristotle. The presocratics are important too, but we only have few fragments from them. Islamic invaders burnt many great works for warmth. Basically, the presocratics are the first that we know of to ask the fundamental questions such as “what is the substance of which all things in the universe composed of?” Then you can move on to whoever, whether the Roman thinkers, or Renaissance thinkers. A short and fun read just to prime your interest would be Descartes’ Meditations, which can be found online for free.

            Perhaps I can post online the resources of my overpriced education for you to utilize. If you’d like anything else, just let me know and I’ll reply tomorrow as I am typing this on my phone.

          • Anna Tree

            Oh yes, for me freedom of speech is absolute.

            From wiki: “Paper was invented by the ancient Chinese in the 2nd century BC during the Han Dynasty and spread slowly to the west via the Silk Road.

            The word “paper” is etymologically derived from papyros, Ancient Greek for the Cyperus papyrus plant. Papyrus is a thick, paper-like material produced from the pith of the Cyperus papyrus plant which was used in ancient Egypt and other Mediterranean cultures for writing long before the making of paper in China.[4]
            Papyrus however is a “lamination of natural plants, while paper is
            manufactured from fibres whose properties have been changed by maceration or disintegration.[5]”

            Thank you for willing to help me about the books, but I made a mistake sorry, I meant a book regarding the Founding Fathers and their writings. But don’t worry, I will ask around 🙂 Thank you so much to be so nice.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Try searching ixquick for The Federalist Papers. Ixquick, I believe, is a European privacy oriented search engine.

            The federalist and antifederalist papers were written in the 1780’s by Madison, Hamilton and others concerning the ratification of the constitution.

          • Anna Tree

            Interesting but difficult readings for me, but one day I will, I promised myself, thank you.
            I wish it was mandatory readings at the school.

    • Dr. Möbias

      “I mean, a black administrative worker called me ‘a typical eastern white male,’ which I had never heard before. She didn’t use the expression negatively…”

      Yes, she did mean it negatively, and you must respond each and every time when you hear this type of hate speech used by non-Whites. If you had said “typical black female,” your days at Berkeley would be over on the spot, as they should be for this women. The hypocrisy and double standards must be stopped now and non-Whites do not have the right to define what a White person is or isn’t.

      Words such as “a typical eastern White male” are used as by anti-Whites to slander White Americans with slurs, hate caricatures, and negative stereotypes.

      Learn here how to put a stop to it here, and then do it every time.

      www DOT resistingdefamation DOT org/

  • When have blacks ever scored at a First-World level?

    The argument has nothing to do with Asian potential, but more with the White potential that isn’t allowed to be reached because we have been shackled to the 800-pound retarded gorilla that we aren’t allowed to even speak about. That is the premise of this article. Yellow John will swear this article is about the glorious Asian cultures and people that we must admire and mimic.

  • RisingReich

    All I can say, is that this report is good reason to keep White kids out of public school.
    White women – please – stay home with your kids and school them yourself if you can afford to. Your value to society is much greater raising and educating your children as decent, smart members of society than earning money in the workforce.

    Oh yeah – I know – I’m a bigot for saying it – but it’s still true.

    • Some women can do both. Especially if they own their own businesses.

  • Will this ascendency be a case-in-point example like the deadly smog and pollution that the Chinese deal with today? We need to know what to look for.

  • Spartacus

    “Where, then, are the grounds for optimism that we can turn this around?”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Secession .

  • RisingReich

    Total hogwash. While IQ is of course important, so is the willingness to take a risk, and creativity. All other races lack these qualities.

    • Save all of your comments you make here… Click on my avatar… go to the website there… click on the Forum… register… when AmRen mods delete your comments, feel free to post them there. This goes for anyone. I already have a good idea of what they delete here, but I need a more complete picture of the kind of censorship going on. This would be a big help to me, because at some point I am going to work on that site(or make a new one) and make it more about organization and action in the real world, rather than redundant articles where mods prune comments that are too truthful or not politically correct enough.

    • JohnEngelman

      I think the Japanese took quite a risk by bombing Pearl Harbor.

      The North Vietnamese took quite a risk by fighting the United States.

      • Luca

        Pearl harbor was a fool’s bet and had been completely miscalculated,render the opposite effects japan was looking for. It was successful for about 15 minutes.

        The Vietnamese were fighting for their own soil, they had nothing to lose and everything to gain by fighting off the foreigners. Any country will defend itself under those circumstances. It was the US that was taking a foolish risk in that war.

        • Fak_Zakaix

          I wonder what the Vietnamese would have done with Vietnamese “JohnEngelman” foreigners-loving types…

        • The North Vietnamese only had to make the United States tired of fighting. Conversely, after Japan’s Pearl Harbor and reports of their treatment of POWs, the United States was not going to get tired of fighting.

          Japan started the Pacific war with a US cut-off of oil and scrap metal already in place. Food rationing had begun there well before 1941. They took the Netherlands East Indies (now Indonesia) for the oil there, and expected to increase production above prewar levels. Instead the Dutch thoroughly destroyed the facilities. Worse still, the ship carrying petroleum specialists and equipment from Japan was one of the first sunk by an allied (Dutch) submarine.

          The only real shortage the US experienced during the war was rubber, because a blight was already affecting South American rubber trees, and the main source was (occupied) Southeast Asia. Synthetic rubber was not very good at the time. Sure; the civilian population made do with steel pennies, but ammunition cartridge cases were generally made out of brass, so the apparent “shortage” was merely one of priority assignments.

          The Japanese petroleum shortage was critical. It was life-or-death for their student pilots; there simply was not enough fuel to get their late-war pilots enough flying hours for them to be effective in combat. The US was actually able to INCREASE the flight training syllabus for AAF, USN and USMC pilots in 1944, and I think British Empire forces did as well, at about the same time. In the meantime, Saburo Sakai was restored to combat duty as a fighter pilot even though he only had one eye left after being maimed over Guadalcanal.

          Nixon’s policy of “Vietnamizing” the SEA war was inherently correct, but congress cut the military aid to the ARVN in the early 1970s, and the result was thereafter inevitable.

          • Luca

            I agree, but would add the following: All Japan did was “awaken a sleeping giant”. They had neither the logistical resources, raw material, manufacturing capacity, man power or the technology to take on the US for any length of time. While their Mitsubishi Zero fighter was light and maneuverable it lacked the armor or self sealing gas tanks that the American fighter planes had. The Americans knew the pilots were a greater asset than the machines they were flying.

            The war in Vietnam was a complete disaster from 1965 until the end. We won every battle in a war we couldn’t win.

            Nothing could have changed the outcome in Viet Nam other than nuclear weapons, which of course would have encouraged Ho Chi Minh’s Communist benefactors to openly enter the war and set the stage for WW3.

            The Vietnamese people were sick of foreigners ruling their country (Chinese, Japanese, French, American) and wanted Independence. Americans knew their independence would bring Communism and feared a “domino effect.”

            We should have accepted the French defeat and allowed them to be the only fools on the world stage.

      • BaronBaal

        Roosevelt et al knew DAYS before the event that it was gonna happen and it was ALLOWED to happen. You need to get an education, you mental midget.
        And what were the North Vietnamese supposed to do? They were fighting INVADERS on their own soil so they had to fight. Right, mental midget?

      • RisingReich

        Apparently taking a risk and being stupid are the same thing in your world.

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      Yes, that is the famous Faustian Spirit that is lacking in all non-Whites.

  • RisingReich

    I can’t hear you. You need to get Engleman’s shaft out of your mouth.

    • You’re going to the top of my Christmas list for that one.

  • Only counting White Americans still puts them at a disadvantage, because instead of grooming those students who have more potential, the vast majority of money and resources are spent trying to get the black and brown students to achieve at semi-proficient levels. We coddle those students with inferior abilities; usually at the expense of the White students who have more potential.

    Sweden is a country that has been sliding further down each time these scores come out. Sweden also has been inundated with large black and brown immigrant populations more than any other Northern European country. Just a coincidence? How far would Japan slide on the list if they all of a sudden had to accept the black populations of Detroit, Memphis, New Orleans, St. Louis, Oakland, Baltimore, Chicago, etc.?

  • Sick of it

    If they’re so smart, why do they need our inventions to have a modern society?

  • Sick of it

    Which is why the Mongol savages annihilated at least 20 million Chinese and came to dominate them completely. Oh wait, that might disprove your theory of Chinese ability.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      If East-Asians have higher IQ then Whites, why do they produce fewer inventions and fewer cultural outputs than Whites?

      • Their average IQ is higher, but the distribution is narrower. They produce fewer idiots, but also fewer geniuses.

  • RisingReich

    Yep bravo mods – delete, delete, delete, delete the truth in the name of ‘civility’.

    So long as you delete my posts, JT is getting a brick of coal in his website’s stockings. Why would I financially support a website that actively deletes my own posts, and actively lobbies on the part of the ‘tribe’?

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Engleman elicits a sort of lynch-mob mentality. I’ve been razzing him a bit lately, all good natured, assume he has a thick skin and can stand up for himself.

      But it got out of hand at one point.

      It was getting kind of school yardish…

      But you had to know that “shaft” comment would get obliterated, HA HA!

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    This is an important article:

    China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System

    “Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not simply the results of a small minority of elite students

    By not providing full national data, China is in effect cheating.

    China only shares Shanghai’s score with PISA. (Hong Kong, a Special Autonomous Region of China, sends its own data.)

    Shanghainese and Hong Kong students are much better educated than those elsewhere in China. Slate quoted the Brookings Institution’s Tom Loveless as saying that “About 84 percent of Shanghai high school graduates go to college, compared to 24 percent nationally.” In addition, Loveless points out that affluent Shanghainese parents will spend large sums on extra tuition for the children — paying fees that far exceed what an average worker makes in a year.”

  • The scores and merging of lower minority scores only show part of the problem. Are our “good” students really reaching their full potentials when the vast majority of time, money and resources are not spent on developing their abilities, but rather spent on trying to get so many horrible students to a semi-proficient level of learning?

    The truth is that the zealots of the education system today would much rather close the scoring gap by any means necessary than to have a scoring system that shows large gaps of learning and abilities that can be tracked along racial lines. If that means sacrificing the potential of excellent students, then I believe they would rather do it that way than to have their system look “racist.”

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      I agree. The fact that such an unreasonably large percentage of our total education spending goes to the left half of the bell curve is holding us back as a nation. Not only do we spend massively on regular blacks and browns, we spend an even greater amount per pupil on mentally disabled students.

      These are not going to be the people getting high-paying jobs in the future and paying back our investment in taxes; these are the people who will be living on SSDI until they die. I can understand the argument that we ought to provide them with a basic education, but it has gotten way out of hand. We should not be spending more on children who cannot read, speak, or feed themselves than we do on regular and gifted students.

      Spending on gifted students should be the highest per-pupil expenditure because it will yield the highest returns to the nation as a whole.

  • They just can’t figure out that smog and pollution thingy. Odd.

    • JohnEngelman

      Before liberal Democrats promoted environmentalism conditions like that existed in the United States.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        The US has never had 19 of the top 20 most polluted cities in the world. The US has never had over a billion poor, destitute people who live in the 19th century.

        You need to read what you write instead of just trying to troll.

        JE, what do you want from us here? As I’ve stated I truly believe you are at the wrong site… do you want us to agree that China is the best and that we should be a colony of their genes and culture? Aren’t you smart enough to realize we will never ever agree with any of that?

        So that begs the question, if you are not here to troll why are you here?

        • JohnEngelman

          This is the second time today I have answered this question. I will answer it once again.

          I believe in race realism. Race realism holds that race is a valid biological classification. The different races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior. These differences have evolved in response to different population pressures lasting for hundreds and thousands of years.

          Race realism is not the same as white supremacy or white nationalism. A race realist acknowledges the superior average intelligence of Ashkenazi Jews and Orientals because it simply happens to be true.

          Now, in this thread I am agreeing with Pat Buchanan. The sun is rising in the East. It is rising for reasons I frequently explain, quoting writings I have found on this website by Jared Taylor, J. Philippe Rushton, Arthur Jensen, and in this case, by Pat Buchanan.

          Now you say posters here will never agree with me. To disagree with me one must also disagree with the men I named in the previous paragraph. Indeed, to disagree with me one must disagree with the truth.

          • Berkeley Guy

            I think a lot of talking past one another concerning superior intelligence is from differing definitions. Perhaps people here mean intelligence from a historical perspective that incorporates not just spatial, word-associative, and quantitative reasoning, but also philisophical pursuits (I know, hard to measure or quantify this), emotional intelligence in seeking what is best for a group of people or debating the value of individuality. There has been a lot of debate about IQ and EQ. It will be ongoing for a long time, and that doesn’t even include the still hypothetical notions of societal intelligence (SQ). So claiming that one group is more intelligent than another is hard work.

            A lot of us Europeans won’t buy into Orientals of Ashkenazim being smarter since we have had so many shooting stars that changed the world, such as Newton or Darwin. Statistical methods of determining intelligence might have missed Darwin’s potential, and many consider him one of the most important scientists to have ever lived. And Gregor Mendel (discovered inheritance traits that were key essential characteristics of genetics first, but unfortunately published in an obscure journal, and the knowledge gathered dust for decades until rediscovery) had to drop out of University because he was so nervous during tests it would make him physically ill. Would the IQ test have worked on him?

            There is just a lot of problems with trying to argue that because someone scored well on a test, now they deserve the things you people have. Why would we concur? But yes, race realism is that differences do exist, although that is not all of what this site is about. It is about our culture and heritage, and how to preserve it.

          • JohnEngelman

            The fact that Ashkenazi Jews only began to distinguish themselves intellectually in the nineteenth century can be easily explained. Before then they were persecuted and discriminated against. This discrimination prevented them from producing famous scientists, but it bred them for superior intelligence.

            Jews in Europe were not allowed to own land or to practice most trades. They were restricted to fields that were intellectually demanding, especially money lending. Those who could not learn the skills left the faith, or they had no children.

            Chinese intelligence evolved under mildly comparable circumstances. For nearly two thousand years the imperial exam system enabled brilliant young men to enter the scholar gentry. Those who could pass the tests were given generous incomes, and expected to have several wives and many children. However, the tests were based on Confucian classics, rather than on science.

            The kind of men who could have made scientific discoveries and made inventions on the basis of those discoveries spent their formative years studying philosophy, literature, and poetry, and their adult years as civil servants.

            Now that Jews and Chinese have the freedom and the encouragement to devote intelligence bred in more constraining environments to science and computer technology I expect the prominence they have already earned in the United States to increase.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Yes, and the vast majority of Europeans were farm workers, serfs, and tradesmen too. Those people were persecuted by the noble class and didn’t own land. But they still produced some of the shooting stars. Johannes Kepler had a very difficult life, as just one example. Small pox when he was a kid, poverty after his father abandoned the family, living and growing up in filthy conditions. Just reading what he wrote about himself as well as what others wrote about him is saddening. There was enormous pressure for him to fail, but he persevered when no one was pushing him and made fundamental discoveries after many failures–no matter what was expected of him.

            It wasn’t possible for the Chinese to spend their formative years studying science for a large portion of their history because we had not yet invented the rigor of the scientific method.

            For sure, anyone on Earth who comes to a European-formed country, with our philosophy of governemnt, has the chance to gain prominence. And I think this speaks volume about our uniques European intelligence.

          • JohnEngelman

            Western civilization did not achieve its supremacy over other civilizations until the scientific method was developed in Europe during the Renaissance. On that we agree.

            The scientific method has been learned by Orientals. I am sure you have noticed how thoroughly they and Jews dominate the science departments at Berkeley. They did not achieve that prominence by cheating.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Jews are represented well here at Berkeley, no doubt about that. Orientals are not dominant in the science departments if you are talking faculty. But if you are you are talking percentage of undergraduate students, then they are represented well.

            But once again, you’re talking past us and what we are about here.

          • JohnEngelman

            What I am “about” is expressing the truths of race realism, as well as agreeing with the column by Pat Buchanan that begins this thread.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Try, as a scientist with a PhD in a hard science, to find a job in a university or college science dept. anywhere in the United States if you are White. Even though you may have graduated at the top of your class from an ivy league university you will find yourself passed over repeatedly in favor of lesser qualified non-Whites, women and Jews – who are able to use ethnic networking to secure university positions.
            I know because it happened to a member of my family.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            The Western civilisation is MORE than its science.
            The Western civilisation had already taken shape by the time of Charlemagne.
            It is a particular religion(s), philosophy, art, literature, music, architecture, etc.
            I understand why Western science supplanted traditional non-Western “science”.
            However, what about Western art and music?
            Don’t you think that they are superior to non-Western ones?

          • JohnEngelman

            The time of Charlemagne is also referred to as the dark ages in Europe. Extraterrestrial visitors would have recognized Arab civilization as dominant.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Rubbish. Even though the Charlemagne reign was remembered for the first European renaissance it is true that at that time the rival Byzantine and Muslim civilisations were superior to it both in material and spiritual terms.
            However, the proper Renaissance of the 14th century happened because the European nations, by now well formed, perceived themselves as the HEIRS of the Greco-Roman civilisation.
            In contrast the Muslims/Jews adopted only the sciences and philosophy/theology of the Greco-Romans and not the other elements of their civilisation: language, literature, theatre, art, music, architecture, jurisprudence, political concepts and institutions, etc, etc.
            Renaissance is not only a flourishing of arts and sciences but a continuation of the Greco-Roman civilisation, the founding civilisation of EUROPE.
            If the Arabs, the Mongols or the Turks had succeeded to conquer Western Europe than there wouldn’t have been any Western civilisation, the WINNING civilisation, OUR civilisation.

          • JohnEngelman

            Western civilization is in decline. The sun is rising in the East, just as Pat Buchanan says it is.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            I doubt it. Even if this was true (the EU was created in part to forestall such a decline) it is still OUR civilisation that we are meant to love.
            Civilisations have besides a material aspect (standards of living, technology, physical capital, etc.) a distinct SPIRITUAL aspect too.
            Even though Jews and Gypsies lived for centuries among the Christian Europeans they didn’t abandon their religion and/or traditions.
            When it became clear to the Russians, Ottoman Turks, Japanese and Chinese that the Western civilisation is superior to theirs both materially and spiritually their leaders tried to import Western technology, ideas and institutions but did not abandon their religion, culture and traditions, in short their CIVILISATION.
            Turkey, China, Japan, Iran and Israel are modern countries, true, but do not belong to the Western civilisation.
            That is why there is a fundamental antagonism between the Muslim world and Europe. That is why the Chinese authorities are opposing the spread of Christianity in China. That is why Israel is a closed shop for non-Judaic immigrants.
            THERE IS A CLASH OF CIVILISATIONS OUT THERE!
            And in this clash of civilisations IQ, your hobbyhorse, is of little importance. Even if 7 billions non-Europeans invaded Europe with only spears and arches they would still be a formidable threat.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Pat Buchanan? You mean the “Holocaust diminutionist”? Lol.

            The Anti-Defamation League has called Buchanan an “unrepentant bigot” who “repeatedly demonizes Jews and minorities and openly affiliates with white supremacists.”[20]
            Read his Wiki article for more.

          • And after a little study, those same ETs would have realized that the Muzzies had retained Greek and Roman thinking, as well as some mathematics (algebra) from India.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Arabs transmitted “Arabic” numbers from India. They invented algebra.

            A number of years ago I coded a C++ computer program that would take a Roman numeral and translate it into an Arabic number, and visa versa. That exercise taught me to appreciate Arabic numbers.

          • Anna Tree

            I already had this conversation with you and I was quite disappointed that you didn’t give any rebuttal to my claims, only keep repeating your beliefs. I genuinely think you are more educated and smarter than me, so is it because you are wrong and I may be right? (see not everything is about IQ lol) I think an open minded and critical thinker is able and willing to change his mind with a correct argument or with new information…:

            Thinking that human intelligence is ‘magical’ (god’s chosen) or/and increasing so fast without complete genetic isolation is not rational. Human intelligence has a physical base like everything else in existence: I wish we could check the DNA of the Nobel prized Ashakanaze Jews with the DNA of the intellectual stars of the Ancient Greeks and Romans, but I presume Northern Italian Nobel prized could suffice too.

            To claim that the Ashakanaz’s higher IQ is from banking, needs support like: how long Ashakanaz have been bankers, percentage of Ashakanaz who happened to be bankers (what about the shoe makers and other blue collar jobs we know many did), IQs of Non-jewish bankers families, European and Non-European, included North East Asians etc

            My guess is that the askanaz IQ is not Jewish, it is European, more precisely Mediteranean European (of before the forced admixture with the muslim Moors and other North Africans, as it could be that Jews may have mixed less than Christians, notably by fleeing from the muslims) and the mating with their freed slaves.

            From Razib Khan’s article “Genetics & the Jews” in DiscoverMagazine:


            The most plausible explanation for the patterns here, supported
            by uniparental lineages, is that local Jewish populations have admixed with surrounding populations. Of course it could be that Ashkenazi Jews went through a population bottleneck and became a highly endogamous inbred community, so that genetic drift resulted in their uniqueness. But in that case they should show up as distinctive as the Kalash of Pakistan, who may be thought tohave formed their own “micro-race” through genetic isolation.
            […]

            The Middle Eastern populations were formed by Jews in the Babylonian and Persian empires who are thought to have remained geographically continuous in those locales. In contrast, the other Jewish populations were formed more recently from Jews who migrated or were expelled from Palestine and from individuals who were converted to Judaism during Hellenic-Hasmonean times, when proselytism was a common Jewish practice. During Greco-Roman times, recorded mass conversions led to 6 million people practicing Judaism in Roman times or up to 10% of the population of the Roman Empire. Thus, the genetic proximity of these European/Syrian Jewish populations, including Ashkenazi Jews, to each other and to French, Northern Italian, and Sardinian populations favors the idea of non-Semitic Mediterranean ancestry in the formation of the European/ Syrian Jewish groups and is incompatible with theories that Ashkenazi Jews are for the most part the direct lineal descendants of converted Khazars or Slavs. The genetic proximity of Ashkenazi Jews to southern European populations has been observed in several other recent studies.

            Early history matters, and what these findings point to is that a
            division between western and eastern Jews which falls along the lines of Roman-Persian political division exists today even after 2,000 years. In terms of both culture and genetics there is “first mover” advantage.
            […]

            Focusing more on specific cultural and historical parameters the
            authors note that what was Jewish in the time of Augustus was very different from what was Jewish in the time of Charlemagne. By the time of Charlemagne the Judaism of the Pharisees had marginalized other groups (excepting to some extent the Karaites). In the time of Augustus Jews were divided between different sects and persuasions, and there was a welter of diversity. Additionally, in the marketplace of Roman religion Jews were a moderately entrepreneurial group. The dynasty of Herod himself was of convert origin. There was a wide spectrum of Jewish religious practice and belief, from the near monastic isolation of the Essenes, to the engaged but separatist Pharisees, and finally to the wide range of more syncretistic practices which fall under the rubric of “Hellenistic Judaism.” Many scholars assert that it was from the last sector which Christianity finally arose as a Jewish sect, and that Christianity eventually absorbed all the other forms of Hellenistic Judaism. Judaism of the Pharisees, which became Rabbinical Judaism, and more recently Judaism qua Judaism, was shaped in large part by having to accommodate and placate the dominant Christian and Islamic religious cultures in which it was integrated by the early medieval period.
            Conversion to Judaism from Christianity or Islam was often a capital crime (though conversion from Christianity to Judaism was not forbidden in Muslim lands, while presumably conversion from Islam to Judaism in Christian lands would not have been, though few Muslims lived in Christian lands). So after 500 A.D. it seems that what may have occurred was that a Jewish Diaspora characterized by geographically determined genetic diversity, despite some common original Levantine origin, was genetically isolated from surrounding populations. This explains why there seems relatively little influx of Slavic genes into the Ashkenazim despite their long sojourn within Poland-Lithuania and later the
            Russian Empire. In contrast, the Roman Jewish community was already large in the days of Julius Caesar, and presumably intermarried with the urban proletariat of diverse origins.In an ironic twist these data suggest that modern Jews, in particular the Ashkenazim, but to a lesser extent the Sephardim as well, share common ancestry with gentile Europeans due to the unconstrained character of the pagan Greco-Roman world which Jews were to a great extent strident critics of. Contra Tertullian Athens had much to do with Jerusalem.

            — Of course I repeat it’s just my naive speculation to think that the IQs of the European Jews could be the IQs of the Ancient Italians, but it would be damn beautiful and logic if it was. And so ironic…

          • Berkeley Guy

            OK, I replied to you above about the book, and mentioned something about the Ashkenazim, and it seems you’ve already a lot more research than I. Please disregard some of my questions.

          • JohnEngelman

            Ashkenazi Jews have DNA that points to Israel three thousand years ago, Italy two thousand years ago, and the other European countries they have lived in since then.

            Their superior average IQ, and the higher achievements and prosperity it enables them to achieve is a settled issue.

            I have documented this before using material I have found on this American Renaissance and elsewhere. I could document it again, but some posters do not want to accept the truth.

          • Jefferson

            DNA that points to Italy. That would explain why the majority of Jews look like they can easily pass for Italian.

            In Hollywood films it is very common for Jews to be cast in Italian roles and vice versa for many Italians to be cast in Jewish roles.

            James Caan for example who is Jewish, played an Italian in The Godfather. Robert De Niro for example who is Italian, played a Jew in Casino.

            Which is not surprising since Non Nordic Caucasians tend to all look alike. Whether it’s Italians, Jews, Albanians, Greeks, Turks, Armenians, Portuguese, Bulgarians, Maltese, Cypriots, etc.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            What about Spinoza? How come that he managed to be accepted by the Christian intellectual community? Why was he such a rare bird? Why didn’t more Jews follow in his tracks?

          • MBlanc46

            Well, for one, he wrote in Latin, the lingua franca of medieval and early modern European intellectuals. Further, he chose to address himself to the classical and medieval Christian philosophers, rather than to, say, the Talmud. In short, he left Judaism. It’s not hard to imagine why most Jews did not.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Precisely. The first Ashkenazim (Spinoza was a Sephardim)intellectual in the European tradition was Moses Mendelssohn, a century after Spinoza. And yes, after that they enter European culture in increasing numbers, both the Ashkenazim and the Sephardim, but by far the Ashkenazim.
            So what prevented them to join the European culture and civilisation was not discrimination but their ethnocentrism and sectarianism.
            By the time of the Age of the Enlightenment European civilisation became so obviously superior to any non-European rival that they were compelled in order to survive as a nation to adopt the “language” and the mores of the Europeans.
            Something similarly happened earlier with the Peter the Great’s attempt to westernize Russia, with the westernization of the Ottoman Empire that stared in 1839, called Tanzimat and the westernization of Japan after the Treaty of Kanagawa.

          • Anna Tree

            Well if you are a race realist then you know that Ashkenaz Jews are Southern Europeans and therefore Caucasian whites (so their achievements or IQs are ours) and that despite having a bigger brain and a bigger IQ, North East Asians are still less creative, innovators, ingenous than the whites. But who cares? Only you.

            Only you keep repeating your mantras, in almost every article. I rarely see a comment here saying whites are the most intelligent, or superior etc, most commenters just wish to be left alone as a race and have their white nations back.

            Let’s say Amren is a certain singer fan club and you keep posting praise about another singer, it is just silly. Maybe your singer is prettier or has a better pitch, we don’t care, we love our singer! And I am not a white supremacist but I still don’t understand why you don’t let us praise and cherish our singer, I mean our race, and only our race. Sure enough by keeping poking us with your Asian supremacy or fetish, you will get some of us kicking back with some white supremacy. Correctly or not, it maybe just exasperation.

          • JohnEngelman

            Creativity and intelligence is largely equivalent. In high school John Lennon given an IQ test. He scored 160. Truman Capote scored 215. Charles Dickens and Lord Byron are estimated to have had IQ’s of 180. I could go on and on.

            I attribute the higher achievements of western civilization to a historical anomaly that is being corrected as I type these words on a personal computer that was manufactured in China.

          • Dr. Möbias

            “Creativity and intelligence is largely equivalent.”

            You are wrong.

            Asians lag woefully behind Whites in innovation and creativity.

          • JohnEngelman

            They are catching up while we fall behind. For over a generation Japanese have built better cars and consumer electronics than Americans, and at competitive prices. The PC I am typing these words on was made in China.

          • Anna Tree

            Your PC was made in China because of the greed of our corporate elite, not because Chinese make it better.

            They actually make almost everything less good (except maybe wood things) (and don’t make me start talking about poisonous food, gypsum walls and more): the quality is so bad that we often end up having to buy the product again and sometimes many times. At the end, we pay more money for that bad product that was less expensive and better manufactured in our countries just 50 years ago and we have no choice because our countries are not manufactoring those products anymore.

            So, we pay more, Chinese get cents and their and our elites gets more money on our backs.

          • JohnEngelman

            I agree with you that America’s corporate elite is looting the United States while paying lower taxes.

            That is a Democrat issue. Unfortunately, Barack Obama lacks the competence to exploit it. Nevertheless, the Republican Party has made it possible.

          • Anna Tree

            But you don’t agree that Chinese are making less quality things?!

          • JohnEngelman

            My personal computer was manufactured in China. It works fine.

          • Anna Tree

            You see, you are not always honest in your answers: I am sure that your computer is not the only good you have that has been manufactured in China (nowadays most of our goods are from there) and that many of those made in China possessions you have, have shown defective during the years in much more ways that goods made in white countries of the past have been. Those who want quality, don’t buy made in China: it’s more expensive but a better investment in the long run. The problem is that those not made in China products are not easy to find but the expression “I am not rich enough to buy poor quality” is becoming more and more relevant…
            Long before becoming a white racialist, I thought made in China was an environmental problem: it’s not only more expensive in the long term to have to buy the same product a few times because of defects, but it increase consummation and so landfill mass.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who want quality, don’t buy made in China.

            – Anna Tree

            They buy “Made in Japan.”

          • Anna Tree

            Yes made in Japan is of better quality than made in China. As was made in all our western countries before the mass immigration and dumbing down.

            I am happy you seem to agree (was hard to make you kind of say it lol), made in China is not synomym with quality. Now maybe it’s the poor wages etc we just don’t know. Maybe it’s because they sell to us and don’t care, maybe they do want to kill us with the lead and poisonous food, but they are selling the same stuff to their own people and poisoning their own kids too 🙁 The fact remain, we had it better when our goods were manufactored by whites in white countries, beside for the obvious that is the loss of work for our people.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Chinese produce the best products at lower prices. The Japanese produce the best products at any price.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Sorry to off-topic for this post about test scores, but this is why European Americans need to discuss tactics and strategies that increase holistic value in their lives. Buying things often made in other countries may eventually give another group/nation an advantage over us. Cherry-picking small manufacturers in both Europe and the US who produce quality goods and services is both doable and necessary.

            Furthermore, the problem of dealing with perceived social pressures to fit in based on material wealth and shopping habits/brand idolization needs to clearly expressed. Then we can incrementally move value to places that it benefits us most. This requires time and energy that most Americans spend on vapid entertainment, gossip, and hobbies that fail to increase the value of their lives.

            All that being said, I need to start my own website that exists explicitly for the purpose spreading such ideas. Test scores from other countries should not matter so much to us.

          • Anna Tree

            I don’t think creativity and intelligence is largely equivalent. Creativity in high form of music or literature maybe, but not every art needs intelligence, especially sadly nowadays…

          • Evette Coutier

            John, I tend to look at these things with objectivity. You may wish to revise you post to be more so yourself. Jews score high in math and verbal skills; however, the score well below average on visual/spacial, an average of 85. The genes associated with higher Jewish abilities are also linked to Jewish specific genetic disorders. In the case of Jews, it is not so simple to say they are just smarter. The same hold true for Asians. It terms of raw intellectual power, clearly Asians are strong. Yet, Asians have a disproportionately low number of Nobel prize winners and a shortage of creative accomplishments. Intelligence is only one factor. Asians rate much higher in group think. Social conformity appears to be built genetically into their genetics. A good parallel is the powerfully built man with no athletic ability. Just being strong does not make a good athlete. Ability is a complex formula of talent, specific capacities, motivations and personality traits. A good example of this is blacks. Their combination of traits make them very successful athletes. Italians, often known for their emotional content, have produced great art.

            I am surprised that someone of your educational level would simplify this complex subject. I do agree with you that race realism is about reality. It’s not just racial separatism. But racial reality and genetics is not who’s smarter than who. The highest recorded black IQ is 190. By your thinking that individual is superior to you and almost every Jew who has ever lived. In fact genetically, he is not. As smart as he is, his genetic offspring will always move toward the black average of 85. His children will always have genetic behavioral and personality traits that are black in nature. And this is the.point of race realism. Even though they are less intelligent and you would not want to breed with them, blacks would not be so bad if they were not so violent and had reasonable personality traits. Some blacks who are on the far side of the bell curve, like Allen West or Dr. Ben Carson are just fine people. However, the complex mixture of traits in all people make it far more than a simple issue of raw ability. Former mayor of Detroit, Coleman Young, was supposedly a high IQ genius. And yet he was a typical black swine, corrupt, incompetent, and destroyed the city. Other traits must be considered. To assert that Asians are superior because of a 6 point advantage is a narrow understanding of ability and performance.

          • JohnEngelman

            The highest recorded black IQ is 190. By your thinking that individual is superior to you and almost every Jew who has ever lived.

            – Evette Coutier

            Yes, precisely. That is just what I maintain.

          • Evette Coutier

            That is why you are incorrect. If that individual was a mentally ill person due to genetic abnormality, then you would contend that he is superior on test scores alone. Inasmuch as our intelligence tests only measure 6 of the 150 identified cognitive abilities, you are not taking into account all factors of cognitive function. What you are doing is selecting traits that Jewish people score high in because you are Jewish to justify your emotional need to be superior. That is not race realism. That is salveing your emotional needs at the expense of others. Hardly objective nor is it scientifically factual.

          • Berkeley Guy

            Precisely.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am not Jewish. I am Episcopalian.

          • Evette Coutier

            So you have Jewish envy.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Btw, do you know who is the person with the highest IQ alive? I bet that he or she (oops) must be an Ashkenazim…

          • dmxinc

            No it’s a white guy – a bartender, believe it or not, but he’s a little nuts as you might expect.

            For women it is a white woman – Marilyn Vos Savant.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Thanks. I knew about Marilyn. I will google the…bartender !?

          • ixObserver

            I think he’s a bouncer, not bartender. And yes he is a bit weird. I did see his video on youtube about some unified theory he authored. The guy had a very tough life though.

          • Luca

            High IQ does not stand alone, it does not make one virtuous, charitable, sympathetic, creative, efficient, rational, nurturing, brave, a good parent, a risk-taker, a hard worker, patriotic, moral etc.

            Most of what you say about IQ is technically correct, but you really should not place it on an altar, there is far more to say about a person or an ethnicity than just recognizing their IQ.

            I think an example you might appreciate are the many high IQ liberals who insist that the races are all equal in IQ, culture, crime, achievement, demeanor, capabilities, etc.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Indeed combine high IQ with sociopathy and you have the makings of a monster.

          • JohnEngelman

            High IQ liberals do not really believe that nonsense. They just say it because it makes them feel virtuous.

          • Luca

            Therefore, they lack genuine virtue and manufacture senseless, shallow virtue. Not very smart, is it? And it proves my point that IQ alone is not the “be all” and “end all” of human values. I do believe many high IQ people are simultaneously gullible because they are driven by greed and/or fear as opposed to reason and are lacking in common sense.

          • JohnEngelman

            In The Bell Curve Charles Murray and Richard Herrnstein document that high IQ’s correlate with many favorable outcomes in life. They do not maintain, and I do not either, that a high IQ is a guarantee of success.

          • Ella

            You mentioned the 6pt advantage among Asians over Whites. Whites may have two problems with math. Firstly, US students especially do not receive much spatial training exercises to enhance readiness for math learning. Secondly, Westerners tend to read left to right and approach math problems possibly with the same “mind set” as reading. So, it may slow us down in processing speed. It might also explain some difficulties in teaching algebra that “shatter” the left to right scanning habits. It is a guess.

          • Luca

            The problem is, your thesis is one dimensional because IQ alone will not save the day. There are many high IQ liberals who lack common sense, logic, reason, rationale, etc. and are entirely mesmerized with the cult of Liberalism.

          • JohnEngelman

            There are many low IQ conservatives who lack common sense, logic, reason, rationale, etc. and are entirely mesmerized with the cult of Conservatism.

          • Luca

            That is true, but the actual extreme right-wing is a small minority.

            It is those who can look at the facts and come to a reasonable conclusion who are important. That would generally be some right-of-center libertarians, republicans, independents and a small percentage of reluctant or reasonable democrats.

            In your quest to counter my post you missed the main point. Low IQ is a very good way to explain unreasonable choices. But how do you explain the way the majority of your revered Jews and Orientals lavish their votes on the likes of an Obama, not once, but twice? I fully understand the low IQ voters making bad choices.

            So you see, high IQ does not mean a person is moral, reasonable, rational, or possess any of the other attributes which make a well-rounded person or ethnicity.

  • Paul

    ‘On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores.’

    And If a single one of them had an original idea they’d be scared witless.

    • MBlanc46

      They don’t seem to need much originality to dominate the world economy.

      • Sick of it

        Because we handed them America on a silver platter. Or rather the major corporations did.

        • MBlanc46

          They sure did. Ordinary American working people will be permanently screwed if we don’t take our economy and our society back from them.

    • JohnEngelman

      Excuses. Excuses. The sun is rising in the east for the reasons Pat Buchanan pointed out.

      • Fak_Zakaix

        Rubbish. You are excusing them. You advocate for their political interests for free.
        If they are so intelligent they should stay or return to their nice countries populated by super intelligent co-nationals like them.
        Why aren’t White people emigrating to Africa and Asia but East Asians are immigrating in large numbers to Western countries?

      • Paul

        They are dominating because of cheap labor and literally trillions worth of copyright theft. It is very simply a transfer of wealth from West to East. If tariffs had remained on imports you would have never seen this situation. And again I ask the same question. Why are you coming to this site Engelman?

    • Garrett Brown

      You’re living in the 60s. North East Asians have plenty of original ideas.

      • Paul

        Please give details… SPECIFICALLY relating to original ideas.

        • Garrett Brown

          the Samsung wrist phone.

          • Paul

            If that’s what you come up with then my point is proved.

          • Garrett Brown

            Video games.

          • Paul

            Wrong again.

          • Garrett Brown

            No, I’m not wrong lol.

            CD player.

            I can keep this going for days.

          • Paul

            What definition of wrong don’t you understand? Watch-invented by whites. Phone- invented by whites. Video games-invented by whites. CD player-invented by whites. I could keep going all day. Try using google if you can’t find anything.

          • Garrett Brown

            I understand the only definition of wrong, and you aren’t using it correctly.

            Martial arts

            I can keep this going for days.

          • Paul

            You finally got one. Guess Google was your friend.

          • Garrett Brown

            The first is debatable, the other two are not.

            Blu ray disc

            So I’ve already listed 4 ideas where you said list one, which means I’ve already disproven what point you were trying to make. Do you want to admit that or should I keep going?

          • Paul

            Wow, this is difficult . I’m not talking about a modification to a white invention such as a blu-ray disc.Tell me something they INVENTED

          • Anna Tree

            And if you do, please Garrett Brown, send it to this website:
            eupedia dot com slash europe slash list_of_inventions_by_country dotsht and m and l
            Seems ethnocentrist, I do think there must be original ideas from Japan and China. Must be.

          • Garrett Brown

            A Blu ray disc is an original invention. It plays films in high definition.

            Robots/androids.

          • Anna Tree

            Paul said original ideas. Isn’t Blu ray just an improved version than the CD that is an improved version than the vinyl etc?

          • Whites developed their own martial arts. Some terms may be familiar to you: “enfilade”, “defilade”, “global thermonuclear warfare”, “combined arms assault”; the list is a long one. We also have developed our own martial arts weapons: “rifle”, “machinegun”, “self-propelled howitzer”, “armored personnel carrier”, “cluster bombs”, “nerve gas”; that list is also a lengthy one.

          • Garrett Brown

            I know you’re joking but martial arts doesn’t use firearms as an attack form. We only developed defenses against them when they became prevalent.

            Oh, American freestyle is garbage.

  • The Final Solution

    Asians score well on these tests because of relentless teaching to the test and months and months of cramming. Any real test of creativity, innovation, real problem solving, and ingenuity will no doubt reveal whites as the most intelligent race. Asian education systems value above all else memorization and right or wrong answers. I know this because I taught in Asia – give them an assignment where they have to come up with original ideas about a topic and you will find most college educated people in Asia couldn’t even compete with high school students in America. The quality of work there was horrendous.

    • Martel

      Exactly, besides IQ tests, for which they are prepared by dedicated parents who scorn them for an A- and constant, rigorous and repetitive study, Asians have not done much to prove their supposed intellectual superiority.

    • Sick of it

      “give them an assignment where they have to come up with original ideas
      about a topic and you will find most college educated people in Asia
      couldn’t even compete with high school students in America”

      I saw the same thing in graduate school. They never considered alternative methodologies and could be very arrogant regarding their presumptions.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    And yet neither you or John E will live in an Asian country.

    I will extend my standing offer I have to JE that I have had for a last couple years that I will paypal you $1,000 if you move to China or Southeast Asia.

    Listen, this Amren site isn’t about who has the highest IQ; it is about us Whites want our own civilization without all the third-world hordes. IQ is part of the narrative concerning racial differences but ultimately whether we are talking about stupid Somalians and Mexicans or intelligent Asian Chinese and Indians… WE DON”T WANT THEM! WE DON”T NEED THEM! Everything is worse when too many non-Whites are anywhere.

    We have a right to our own existence. That is what Amren is about.

    • Berkeley Guy

      The above is what I am talking about. Our overall sentiment isn’t about claiming universal superiority over one group or another. It’s about us European Americans claiming that our culture is superior for the vast majority of … us European Americans. It is what we assert concerning our cultural heritage and thus having the space (the country, or enclaves within a country) to act according to what we believe is best. I couldn’t care less that west Africans are the best sprinters or that some Asian can run circles around me in programming Java applications or doing math. Great for them. Let them do it in their country, in their nation, according to their laws.

      For example, why would I spend my life working at a DMV or another gov building in East LA, Harlem, or Detroit performing civic duties for low pay for a group of people that many times just want what I have for themselves or just plain hate me due to media-formed perceptions?

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      I’m saying that all the time to John Engelman, but that sick asiaphile IQ fetishist simply doesn’t listen and keeps repeating his propaganda.

    • “This is what Amren is about.”

      Surely you would like some allies, wouldn’t you?

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    But still, you or even them don’t want to live there. Huh, so you won’t live in an Asian country and raise a family? Assimilate their values and traditions? Sounds like you be racist!

    • D.B. Cooper

      It’s a little too crowded for my tastes. Besides, China, Japan, or any other Asian country would have to bribe me with my choice of a tall, half white, Michelle Wie type who will still carry at least 23 Caucasian chromosomes. I’m sure my kids would quickly rise to the ruling class, either by merit, or by marriage, as most hybrid whites often do.
      Besides, my own test scores across the board are much higher than what the average scores of Asians, whites, and half white Asians.

      • Nice? Kind? Guy

        Check out the big brain on Cooper!

  • MBlanc46

    We’ve always had blacks and now we have Hispanics, so it’s no surprise that our students on average score below more homogenous European and East Asian countries. We could survive that, but we won’t be able to survive the fact that our elites decided decades ago that Asia was the future and that ordinary Americans are no longer of any concern to them.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    But still, you won’t live amongst them in their homelands, you will only live in a Western nation.. hopefully when they return to their “place” of unparalleled human rights, environmentalism, technological innovation and amazing standards of living you can go live there.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Less fertile, good one. Do you actually read what you write sometimes? China is maybe the only country to ever put restrictions on how many kids you can have… because they have almost 1.5 billion! They would be over 2 billion by now if not for the draconian birth control measures of their government.

    They are so smart and so attractive, yet you still haven’t made plans to move there. Keep me posted. I promise, if you move there it will be utopian; first-world standards of living, great environment, no racism (they will treat you like a king) and plenty of beautiful Han Chinese boys and girls to appreciate… and the best part, they are all super brainy so incredible ideas and innovations will be around every corner in your new life there!

    But still, your not moving yet? I don’t understand.

  • Evette Coutier

    That is all true. But what was not mentioned was they also are more willing to enslave themselves. There is more to life than being a work unit.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    By and large, Western Europe has moved out in front of us and our close competitors are the Slovak Republic and Russian Federation.

    Apparently, Pat didn’t feel he could say this, but if you separate out white test scores from the other races, the disparity between the US and Europe instantly and miraculously vanishes (and so does the mystery). It’s only the combining of black and hispanic test scores with the whites that drags down the whole country. But we’re not allowed to point this out, so instead we have to run a long article that pretends the whole thing is a puzzle.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      Mr. Buchanan knows this. I doubt he really feels we can reconcile these differences. He knows we are stuck.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    In LBJ’s Great Society legislation in 1965 came the Elementary and Secondary Education Act, which poured enormous amounts into our pubic schools.

    Hmmm, “pubic schools.” Was that a Freudian slip?

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Yes. They should be rightly called government-indoctrination centers.

    • Paleoconn

      Pat has done this once before with public library.

  • ixObserver

    These scores convey a wrong message. If East is rising the migration pattern should indicate that, it indicates the opposite. While Chinese etc may have scored better, they aren’t really all that good. Creativity wise, far behind Western/Northern Europeans actually. Threat from East Asia to West is a myth. I have dealt with Chinese personally and majority are really average to below-avg. No offence but my own notion of Chinese is that they are dumb. This might seem weird coming from an Indian but yeah, there it is.

    • Sick of it

      We still send people to China to teach the Chinese how to build factories. Case closed.

      • Most of the Chinese military establishment still uses licensed Russian or Western Technology. These folks are clearly not any sort of “Master Race”.

      • Berkeley Guy

        Lol, that was curt.

  • Luca

    That is true, but are you aware that the southern/darker Asians score much lower? Examples Vietnamese, Thai, Cambodian, Laotian etc.

    The term you use for Oriental, generally refers to the North-East Asians, the other ones I just mentioned are the South-East Asians, each have unique DNA markers and apparently different IQ’s.

    • Anna Tree

      It’s all about what hominids your ancestors have mated with… Those you cited have maybe mixed more with the first wave out of Africa (the Australoids) than the Japanese, Koreans and North East Chinese. Also they may have less Neanderthal DNA too and maybe more Denisovans etc etc

  • Anna Tree

    I think RisingReich doesn’t disagree with Prof. Rushton: he disagrees with your interpretation/conclusions of Prof. Rushton’s papers.

    • Max Krakah

      ami is struggling with less than stellar cognitive abilities, to expect him to actually understand what Rushton was really saying is to expect too much. He can only pick out a few hot phrases here and there and then jump to a totally opposite conclusion than the one Rushton was trying to convey.

  • Anna Tree

    True but after the Roman Empire came the Middle Age, the Renaissance, the English Empire etc So although the Romans never recovered *, another European people took the lead: the European civilization never was down.

    * I also think regarding what you wrote, that it is because the Mongols were not very different racially, DNA/IQ wise from the Chinese, while the Romans mixed with their African slaves and later their descendants were raped by the muslims jihadis.

    What we relatively but still incorrectly call the dark age of Europe is exactly the terrible consequence of islam spreading its claws on all those Christian lands like Assyria, Egypt or the Zoroastrian Persians, blocking notably the exchange of ideas between the East and the West etc

    BUT still the Europeans did okay, even when the muslims quite separated them from the Orthodox Christian countries of the Middle East (converted to islam by the sword) or from India (later attacked too, millions converted, enslaved or mass-killed). There weren’t really dark ages, it is just the people living the Renaissance looked at the previous generations with a better-than-thee attitude. Consequently we now call this period the Middle Ages.

    From Michael Crichton: “We owe much to the Middle Age. Our present Western world is more the result of the Middle Ages than the Renaissance. The Renaissance gave us art and and freedoms but those were already won in the Middle Ages. The
    Middle Ages gave us the nation-states, the central government and urban life, the universities and the codes of law and ideas of justice, well also the government bureaucracies, and dozens of other institutions.

    They weren’t gloomy and stagnant, it was much an exciting time. A period of change, movement and travel. The English longbow ended the knights status in a few decades. New, more efficient methods of plowing, fertilizing and crop rotation revolutionalized the agricultural methods. The medieval social order was not fixed and many new enriched families found their way into the nobility. Women had no legal rights but they were prime players in what was happening and had the right to take care of the businesses and other family affairs like the defense of the castle against besieging armies. It was a time of terrible disease, but also of joy in life and appreciation of its preciousness maybe more than
    today.”

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Eventually the Romans did. These days their called “Americans”.

  • Mike Conrad

    They are very much about ‘the test’ along with another famously aggrieved minority group. Then when Ivy League admissions officers wanted to take other factors into account (e.g. character, leadership, and athletic qualities) they were accused of discriminating against ‘merit’ … since a couple of groups excel at test-taking, they decided that test-taking is the only kind of merit that can be considered.

    See “The Chosen” by Jerome Karabel and “The Myth of American Meritocracy” by Ron Unz. Both authors of ‘the tribe’ of course, that’s how they get published. But I digress.

    • Max Krakah

      a people that has no character would not want that used as a yardstick for admission.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      Don’t forget the VERY important aspect of ethnic networking also that trumps merit. They’ll deny this for us Whites while making use of it themselves.

  • Garrett Brown

    Man I love Pat Buchanan. He was one of the main reasons I became a realist with his book “Death of a Superpower”. Great stuff if you haven’t read it yet.

  • Mike Conrad

    Surprising–and dismaying–to see Patrick J claiming that whites are over-represented in the Ivy League. He should certainly know that they are in fact grievously under-represented there, unless you are including the Chosen People, who are over-represented by a factor of fifteen.

    Asian partisans claim that their (over-)representation should be still greater, but that is because they are insisting that a couple of numeric metrics (chiefly tests and grades) are the only factors which should be considered in the admissions process. Not coincidentally, the two metrics where they tend to outperform.

    • Garrett Brown

      He was making a point, you completely missed it.

  • Max Krakah

    Memorization, and repeating WROTE knowledge, are not real intelligence. With enough time, a dullard can learn to repeat back what he needs to . UNDERSTANDING is a much better measure of intelligence. Some people pick things up right away, some people take much longer, some people learn to fake it by repeating what they have memorized. When memorization is one’s only real strength, they can never advance beyond what is already known and understood, and that is EXACTLY the case with ALL east asian cultures. The cultural tradition of the studious asian child, spending hours a day doing homework, just reaffirms this position. They memorize, they jump through the hops. They pass the exams, fulfill the requirements, and that is where it ends. They have nothing else in them, they never take it further.

  • John R

    Once again, color blind liberalism is like a religion, no, more than that; it is a cult. Despite overwhelming evidence, they insist, with fanatical faith, that race doesn’t matter, that all people are equal regardless of color. That is insane. How many times do we race realists have to prove the same point over and over to these people?

  • John R

    You’re so right! Those boring well-behaved Japanese, always studying and working hard. They need to have some blacks to “keep it real.” (Yeah, right! If you believe that…) Hey, blacks maybe poor, can’t hold a job, engage in criminal activity, can’t speak proper English (after living in America 400 yrs! Imagine them speaking Japanese!), have most of their kids out of wedlock, but, hey, other than that, they are just so “cool.” (Talking like a typical liberal educated teenager)

    • Greg Thomas

      Or send them 25 million illegal invading mexicans. That will certainly skew the numbers!

  • D.B. Cooper

    EQUALITY by any means is the ultimate goal. If you can’t raise up the test scores of blacks, then you lower the scores of….

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    That is a good point. I know a lot of liberal people (both male and female and NOT from Alabama) who have this fascination with Japan, and they always talk about how it is better than the West. I am sick of how liberals insist on the West diversifying itself but then at the same time, not pointing out how something like that is dumbing us down compared to the likes of high and mighty Japan.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      You should agree with them and point out that Japan is a racially and ethnically homogenous nation and that they work very hard at protecting that. Then insist they tell you diversity is something they seek in Japan.

      • Tom_in_Miami

        Wouldn’t it be simpler to say that Japan does not have any blacks to speak of?

        • DudeWheresMyCountry?

          Or Chinese or Mexicans or Jews, I mean what is wrong with them?

          The Japanese have one protected class and that is the Japanese. And I am infinitely envious of them for that.

  • Mergatroyd

    What is your purpose here? To bash Whites on a white issues site?
    If Asians are so superior why do they fall all over themselves to live in White countries? Why don’t they stay home in the wonderful Asian countries they created? Why do they constantly steal White technology? Could it be because those Asians aren’t capable of creating it themselves?

    Have they put a man on the moon yet like we inferior (according to you) Whites? I listen to a lot of classical music, some even played by Asian musicians. Can you think of ONE great Asian classical composer? Funny, I can’t either.

    How about great mathematicians on a par with Newton, Gauss, Euler, Ponce, Reimann? I thought Asians were so superior to Whites in math and science?
    This is what you and Engelman keep saying but where’s the proof?

    What do you call Whites who clearly outperform Asians in the fields of physics, medicine, math and music?

    • Berkeley Guy

      My goodness, the category of music is unspeakable … Bach, Mozart … forget it, no one is going to point to any other musicians no matter where they are from that were superior to them.

      Some might try to throw Terrence Tao’s name out there for math. But neither he, nor anyone of our race in this century is going to be anywhere near as good as Gauss or Euler.

      The 1600-1800s were great times for Europe. We need to analyze our current situation and align the future of our culture with those times by noting what worked and what didn’t, and reincorporate the ideals that worked then.

      • Mergatroyd

        The 1900s were even better. Internal combustion engine, clean water and sewage systems that prevented massive deaths, age of antibiotics, rocketry, jet travel, television, computers, manned space travel, satellites, electricity, cell phones, first world medicine including transplants.
        All tech miracles created by Whites and ONLY Whites.
        Yet there are those, including other Whites who think the best course of action for us and our children is to eliminate ourselves from the face of the earth for “past bad acts.”

        Those who don’t like it can go to 4th world hells and live there without White-created technology.

  • SFLBIB

    They used the reading, science, and math scores as a measure. I’d bet the U.S. would be Numbero Uno if they tested for diversity and multiculturalism.

  • Political freedom and individuality are most certainly not synonymous with Asian cultures. In order to tackle problems of the size and magnitude they are facing, you need lateral thinking. Lateral thinking requires individualism and the freedom to fail. You almost have to like to fail in order to achieve something truly great. Most Asian societies are so afraid of failure that they only take risks as a last resort.

    I’m sure once they’ve been instructed on how to do something and given step-by-step instructions they will figure out a way to do it a little more efficiently. I just wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on some lateral thinking and problem solving on their part.

  • SFLBIB

    I was in Korea in 1970 and saw its third world condition then. But … I noticed that every child went to school every day, even in the countryside. Apparently, it paid off.

  • ImTellinYa

    The history of Asian civilization is one long chronicle of brutal tyranny. Asians tend to be rigid, arrogant and conformist to an amazing degree. There is no tradition of innovation. They seem to glom on to Western inventions and methods; in some cases improving them, but Asians haven’t made any of the fundamental inventions in spite of their vaunted intelligence. High intelligence is only found in a corner of norther Asia in any case.

    One reason we defeated Japan was because of our ability to adapt to their weapons and tactics. The narrative tells us that their fighter planes were superior to ours at the beginning of the war, but that’s not really true. We had problems fighting them at first because our pilots had trained to fight something different. The Japanese fighters had good speed and astounding maneuverability, but they were poorly armored and armed. The pilots made little use of radio communication, and their group tactics were abysmal. Our main problem was that their planes were hard to hit with our initial tactics.

    So what happened? Some of our pilots compared notes and on their own initiative developed group tactics and formations that nullified the Japanese advantage in maneuverability. These innovations were quickly approved by our high command. Once that happened we began to decisively win the battle of attrition. We decimated Japanese air power long before our superior planes arrived; planes like the Hellcat, Corsair, Lightning, etc. fought against a greatly weakened air power.

    And the Japanese stubbornly clung to their rigid tactics and equipment. Their battle plans were overly complicated, and only worked when they achieved surprise; a thing they never much did after Pearl Harbor. We were flexible and innovative. They were not.

    I’ve worked with a LOT of Asians; mainly Japanese and Chinese and Vietnamese. They all have this attitude that if a project is done by the book and the prevailing theory, then nothing should go wrong. They make no contingency plans. When things do go wrong, they are mystified. They never plunge into a project with an attitude of learning as they go or changing procedure to achieve a goal.

    The Asians I’ve known are also knee-jerk Leftists; a self-destructive impulse to embrace tyranny.

    The bottom line is that they have no business in a White country. We don’t need them. Their presence is, at the end of the day, destructive to Western Civilization.

    And they are bad drivers. It’s a symptom of their inability to innovate or react to changing variables. The chaos of traffic paralyzes them or makes them overly aggressive. I’ve seen them simply stop in the middle of an intersection because they can’t react to a rapidly changing flow of traffic.

    I like a lot of Asians I’ve known, but they are essentially cuckoos in the nest; rigid collectivists. Supercharged SWPLs. They need to find someplace else to live.

  • Andrew

    I heard that these PISA tests in America have no consequence if failed, kids apparently treat like a joke. Maybe in other countries it is taken more seriously.

  • Charles W.

    Japan is actually under major pressure to open their borders to the third world. Why do you think the Western Media hyenas are constantly cackling about the “crisis” of Japan’s “shrinking, aging population”?

  • Charles W.

    Skorzeny you are exactly right. Although I wouldn’t quite compare the Koreans who dominate Japan’s media and organized crime to blacks. More like another ethnic group who must not be named.

  • Jefferson

    I would rather live in Japan, but most White nationalists would choose to live in Russia over Japan.

    Most White nationalists are not race realists, they are just racially tribal.

    Meaning they believe that a crystal meth smoking skinhead on welfare with an I.Q of 85, is still racially superior to an Asian engineer with a MENSA I.Q.

    Most White nationalists believe there is no such thing as a racially inferior Gentile person and there is no such thing as a racially superior Nonwhite or Jew.

    The extreme bias in most White nationalists, prevents most of them from being race realists.

    Because they see all White Gentiles through rose colored lenses, even White criminals/White drug addicts.

    • Fak_Zakaix

      So do you think that a Black person that is compelled by facts to endorse “race realism” will…what? Kill himself? Stop voting Democrats? Stop endorsing the Black Panthers? Stop militating for affirmative action? Stop preferring Blacks to Whites?

      • JohnEngelman

        So do you think that a white Gentile that is compelled by facts to endorse “race realism” will do…what? Stop resenting the success of Jews and Orientals?

        • There you go again, insinuating that people here are “resenting the success of Jews and Orientals.” Most people just want to be left alone, Yellow John. Everything today is designed to stunt the intellectual and economic growth of anything that could be considered a White ethnocentric entity. Whether it’s the media, education system, business world, governments or whatever, the success of White entities are always gauged by a formula that always has to include DIVERSITY as a core value.

          Practically nowhere on the planet is this formula allowed to be modified for White populations. And practically nowhere on the planet is this formula used for non-White populations. You only have to be “successful” in the non-White world. In the White world, you can be extremely successful and at the pinnacle of innovation, but you just aren’t allowed to do it all as a “White” population. You have to deem the success a testament to diversity, or at the very least you have to end up hitching all of that success to some diversity-spewing bandwagon. How many Asian entities can you name that are only deemed successful if they meet a certain diversity threshold? Do you know of any?

          You are NOT allowed to talk about how much better and hardworking White students are than the black and brown folks. Even though many White students are ignored because teachers have to spend so much more time and energy directed at the black folks, White kids still do incredibly well, but you just can’t mention that fact. That’s just racist. But you are more than welcome to talk about Asians or Jews being successful. That’s just a fact and…. pride. Right, Yellow John?

          You can’t even write a paragraph now without spewing some kind of disinformation and slander.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are NOT allowed to talk about how much better and hardworking White students are than the black and brown folks.

            – Celestial Time

            I do talk about it on this website and others. Moreover, I talk about it using my real name.

          • You do so on a website that is listed as a hate group/website. Send me the links to other places on the Internet where you post the same things. We’ll see if any of them have avoided the dreaded “hate speech” stigma.

          • JohnEngelman

            Click on my name. You will see where else I post.

            Unlike Tim Wise I violate the restrictions of political correctness by drawing attention to black crime, stupidity, and sexual irresponsibility.

            Race realists acknowledge that racial differences are significant, and largely genetic.

          • Yeah, Yellow John, you’re such a radical and revolutionary. Actually, you are very politically correct. You are the epitome of politically correct. You are just another stuttering version of the anti-White establishment that claims any kind of talk about White autonomy must be accompanied by a steady dose of forced multiracialism. Yours just happens to be of the Asian variety. So you see, Yellow John, you really aren’t that much different than little Timmy Wise.

            And I did look at your profile. I’ve looked at it before. I still don’t see the website where it’s accepted to be specifically pro-White and not be listed as a hate group/website. Can you just go ahead and tell me which one it is?

          • JohnEngelman

            You can’t even write a paragraph now without spewing some kind of disinformation and slander.

            – Celestial Time

            What have I ever posted that is not true?

          • The very first sentence you were responding to made it very clear. Your deflection is a little too obvious. If you weren’t such an Asiaphile, you might have a little more creativity in how you use deflection and other avoidance techniques.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are deflecting. You have not told me what I have posted that is not true.

            The points I continually make here, and do so in complete accordance with race realism, is that Orientals have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy than white Gentiles, and that they tend to be more intelligent.

          • You consistently get down-voted more than anyone on this site or any other Disqus comment section I’ve seen. You simply ignore the obvious and ramble on with your fetishes. Again, Yellow John, the very first sentence you were responding to made it very clear what kind of lies you tell. You talk about pro-White people with exactly the same kind of blanket statements as the SPLC goons.

            No, Yellow John, the only continuing points you’ve made are blanket statements that Jews and Asians are superior. Anything other kind of counterpoints you’ve heard from others just gets ignored by you. You incessantly talk about superiority more than just about anyone I’ve seen. I’ve very rarely ever talked in terms of anything or anyone being “superior.”

          • JohnEngelman

            What do I ignore that is obvious? I am down voted by those who dislike the facts I document. I am as indifferent to the hostility of white nationalists and white supremacists as I am to the restrictions of political correctness.

            I have a fetish for the truth.

            I have never said that all Ashkenazi Jews and all Orientals are superior to all white Gentiles. Nevertheless, average differences are easy to document.

          • The only facts you post are ones where you see it as a way to further your little Asian fetish. You ignore any “facts” that contradict your vision of having White societies open their door to the Genius of Asians. You’ve been accused countless times for selectively choosing which “facts” you spout off about. You pretty much follow an SPLC storyline of how all these hateful bigots are resentful and jealous of people who are “superior” to them. That’s all you talk about. You even went so far as to say that White women wanted black men because of something you couldn’t mention, but that all women desire Asian men for their superior abilities. You did say that, right? So tell me what kind of “facts” we are talking about. Where did you get these facts, Yellow John?

          • Anna Tree

            Sometimes John, you have a fetish not only for the truth but for what you think should be the truth. For example when you say Jews have higher IQs because they worked as bankers and were persecuted. This is an hypothesis that can be pushed aside by any skeptics. Many people were persecuted and didn’t have their IQs increased. As for the bankers, you will have to show the IQs of Non-jewish bankers families…

          • JohnEngelman

            There are a number of theories as to why the Ashkenazim have their high IQ averages. The high averages are not in dispute.

          • Anna Tree

            I think we should start with agreeing about terminology LOL I am referring to the scientific terms hypothesis and theory, and their difference: a
            hypothesis is an attempt to explain an observation while a theory is a hypothesis for which there is evidence or a unifying explanation for many confirmed hypotheses.

            I didn’t see any stats regarding Ashkenaz bankers and non-bankers, and non-Ashkenaz bankers and any other support for your explanation. So I say there are a number of hypothesis as to the Ashekenaz higher IQs (sometimes irrational hypothesis like the chosen people, when obviously non-Ashkenaz Jews have low IQs!), and not a number of theories like you said (a number of theories needs unification too).

            So what I was saying is that unless there is evidence, some hypotheses can be incorrect. Therefore if you have a fetish for the truth, you shouldn’t have a fetish for your explanation until it is proven true.

            (If my explanation about the Ashakanaze IQ we discussed elsewhere is correct, then actually you have an admiration for the descendants of white Ancient Mediteraneans, notably Romans, long ago converted to Judaism and not for Middle Eastern bankers Jews who lived 2000 years in Europe.)

            Regarding the Chinese IQ, it seems to me it is accepted that the 110 IQ is mostly from the cities. In the other areas of China, the IQ is closer to 100, that is of course still higher than in half of Europe. But I think that if we average the IQ of the white nations, then the least we should average the IQ of the Chinese now that more testing has been done.

        • Fak_Zakaix

          In Europe national identity is based primarily on a common language, culture and religion. All European states with the exception of Switzerland, Belgium, UK and Spain and to a lesser degree some others are constituted of a dominant ethnicity which gives the name of the state and the official language and religion and some minor ethnic minorities.
          In the modern age ethnicity defined culturally trumped religion.
          For instance, both Catholic and protestant Germans consider themselves Germans first. It is true however that there is still a tension between the various Christian denominations in Europe.
          Let me answer first what would a European who adopted “race realism” think and do.
          Firstly, he will dismiss religion as a base for national and trans-national unity or disunity. For instance, racially different Ireland should not consider Poland a kindred nation just because of their common religion.
          Secondly, he will regard the Jews and the Gypsies, the only non-White ethnicities Europe had before WWII, as Asian races.
          The Jews are not just Germans, Frenchmen, Italians, etc. of Judaic religion but a sui generis race.
          Thirdly, he will realise that not only culture and history is the cause of the differences between European nations but different genomes too. The differences between Germans and Geeks are rooted not only their different cultures, religions and history but in their genes too.
          What should he do? He will vote for politicians that will advocate for the unity of the European nations (including Ukraine, Moldova, Belarus and possibly Russia but excluding Turkey) in the face of the threats posed by the non-European nations (the USA, the Muslim world, China, etc.), the expulsion of the Jews and Gypsies, restrictive immigration policies for non-White immigrants, and a European Union that falls short of a superstate because there will always be differences between European nations – linguistically, culturally and yes, RACIALLY.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews are a credit to every country they live in. No country can have too many people with high IQ’s.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            The majority of Ashkenazim like the majority of Whites are not very intelligent. Let’s keep only the Einsteins. How many would this be? 10,000?

          • Anna Tree

            White Jews can live in white countries not because of their IQs, but because they are white.
            But Jewish, atheist or Christian etc multiracialist/multiculturalist etc are enemies who want and are destroying our white countries. History always held traitors accountable.

          • JohnEngelman

            A large black population causes big problems. A large Hispanic population improves downtown areas by forcing the blacks out. Whites and Orientals get along fine.

        • What successes would those be?

          • JohnEngelman

            Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any ethnic group known.They average around 112-115, well above the European norm of 100…

            Their numbers among prominent scientists are roughly ten times greater than you’d expect from their share of the population in the United States and Europe. Over the past two generations they have won more than a quarter of all Nobel science prizes, although they make up less than one-six-hundredth of the world’s population. Although they represent less than 3 percent of the U.S. population they son 27 percent of the U.S. Nobel prizes in science…

            American. Jews are also over represented in other areas, such as business (where they account for about a fifth of CEOs) and academia (where they make up about 22 percent of Ivy league students).

            – Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending, from “The 10,000
            Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution,” Chapter 7: “Medieval Evolution: How the Ashkenazi Jews Got Their Smarts,” pages 188, 189, 190.

            http://www.amren.com/ar/2009/05/index.html

            http://the10000yearexplosion.com/

            ———-

            Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from working hard and getting ahead. In fact, they have been so successful in “racist” America that whites have even begun to complain about Asian achievement.

            Whether one lookS at Japanese and Chinese, who have been in America for generations, or Koreans and Vietnamese, who have arrived more recently, Asians have been remarkably successful…

            By 1969, Chinese as a group outearned Italian, Ger-
            man, and even Anglo-Saxon Americans. 376

            – Jared Taylor, from “Paved With Good Intentions”
            http://archive.org/stream/Paved-With-Good-Intentions-Jared-Taylor/Paved-With-Good-Intentions-Jared-Taylor_djvu.txt

          • Remarkably successful, sure enough, in a legal system, economic system and transportation infrastructure developed by… whites.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews are whites. Their domination is due to their superior intelligence.

          • Nothing whatever to do with their clannishness, right?

          • JohnEngelman

            No. Only their IQ power. They have had to struggle for their achievements against persecution. If you give a Jew half a chance he is likely to do twice as well as anyone else.

          • I could say the same thing about ethnic Scots, but it wouldn’t necessarily make it true.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            False. Jews are an Asian race.

            “DNA links prove Jews are a ‘race,’ says genetics expert”
            Haaretz, May 7, 2012
            It is official!

          • JohnEngelman

            Caucasians include Arabs, Iranians, and Afghans. Those live in Asia.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Maybe they are “Caucasian” but they are not White (i.e. of European descent).

          • JohnEngelman

            Says you.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            No, says Ashkenazim geneticist Harry Ostrer:

            “DNA links prove Jews are a ‘race,’ says genetics expert”, Haaretz, May 7, 2012.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ashkenazim are a white sub race.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            I have just read the Wikipedia article “Nordic race” and it crossed my mind that you must be a NORDICIST philo-Semite (the latter probably because of your religion).

            You must share completely the views of people on this site with two exceptions, your defence of the Jews, your obsession, and a false praise for East Asians, just to mask you extreme philo-Semitism.

            The Northern Europeans, both in Europe and in America, despise the Southern Europeans, who they consider inferior and uglier.

            Your hierarchy of races is in descending order: the Ashkenazim, the East Asians (insincerely imo), the Nordic race (to which you belong), the other Europeans and rest.

            I think that you would like very much the views of Madison Grant (I recognized the same rhetoric in your discourse).

          • JohnEngelman

            Madison Grant overestimated the significance and extent of the Nordic sub race. Nordics are usually considered to be Scandinavians. To them I would add the Germans, the Dutch, and the English. I like to call these people “Germanics.”

            However, Madison Grant claimed that the ruling classes of the Greeks and the Romans were also Nordics. During the Roman Empire the Nordics were barbarians. They had iron technology. However, they had no cities, no writing, and no system of mathematics. They were about as developed as the Bantu were two centuries ago.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            So do you think that Madison Grant and the other Nordicists were idiots? Read also the extension to my previous post.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. Why are we given conflicting numbers about the Ashkenazi IQ?
            107.5, 108, 112, 115, 120…?
            Richard Lynn said that the Ashkenazim in Israel have only 103.
            Why these numbers are not weighted averaged?
            Why for the Europeans (such diverse ethnicities included in that category! Germans, Greeks, Maltese, Basques…) we have a fixed number though?

            2. The Nobel Prizes received by American Jewish academics are AMERICAN Nobel Prizes. America was a civilised and innovative nation before the arrival of Ashkenazim at the end of the 19th century.
            Jews live also in France (600K), Latin America (525K), Ukraine (140K) , Belarus (72K), Russia (400K), Germany (250K), UK (450K), etc.
            They do not seem get any Nobels from there.

            3. Maybe it is not the American Ashkenazim who are the intelligent ones but the White Americans the stupid ones. Both properly and figuratively…

    • Sick of it

      None of us are talking about how Hispanics would succeed if they weren’t so oppressed. Not sure you could call that realism of any kind.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        I see plenty of Browns singing that song, a tune they learned from Blacks.

  • Paleoconn

    Steve Sailer said White Americans scored better in 2009 than all the White countries. I wonder how well they do against Whites in France, Germany, Denmark, etc.

    The fact that Hispanics in the USA outscore other Hispanic countries and that American blacks outscore Africans, does not mean automatically that we do better than other Whites. We benefit less by being American than non-Whites do by being in this country.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Too many whites aspire to be wiggers. They believe black social pathology is superior to western culture.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Tell that to poster “Hal K” who keeps telling me on this forum and another one that “there is no such thing as cultural Marxism,” that it is White guilt that is destroying our culture.

    • Emperor Naked

      Social Marxism works because of White Guilt. White Guilt is a product of Christianity which puts self-sacrifice and egalitarianism (as in “all equal before God”) as one of its guiding and resultant maxims.

      • freddy_hills

        I’m not sure I believe that leftists have “white guilt”. I’ve never seen them act sad or remorseful. In fact, they’re usually angry, arrogant and self-righteous. But guilty? Nope.

        • Emperor Naked

          Can you be that unobservant/uninformed? How old are you? “White Guilt” has been a discussed phenomena since the late 60s at least. AT a basic level, it is how many black men used to get white girls to date them, “Oh, you’re just prejudiced, aren’t you?” Pandering to blacks has never stopped. Ever notice the way whites in the media fall all over themselves to praise a black for any accomplishment at all, or excuse the worst behavior as socially caused? That’s all a product of white guilt mechanism. It’s simple psychology.

          The product of that by the 21st century after 50 years of demands and outrage, fired along nicely by Right Wing Conservative misrule and corruption (long discussion, but real, study the activities of the CIA, FBI, and some famous Republican presidents (but not only, LBJ would be called a Republican “miracle” today). The mechanism of White Guilt and the resultant effect of self-righteous indignation to the point of aggression and belief that they ought to have a free hand in ruling and ordering society is not new. IN fact, the first historical notion of that is found in Christianity and Christians.

          • freddy_hills

            The irony of your example is that the overwhelming majority of women would not date out. Those who do tend to be unattractive, drug addicts or single mothers with limited options. That doesn’t sound like guilt to me. In fact, men are much more likely to date out. I doubt that’s guilt because a hard johnson has no conscience.

            You’ll notice most radical leftists are actually obsessed with some kind of ideology whether it’s marxism, feminism, LGBT, etc. I had plenty of university professors who touted them all. They all made a stink over race. But not one of them impressed me as feeling ‘guilty’. Rather they were bitter, angry and self-righteous and used race as a club to attack society and those who disagreed with their ideologies.

            As for the lemmings, I’d say it’s a case of mindless ethno-masochism. Watch the youtube video called “Group Polarization and the Fad of Ethno-masochism” by Hugh MacDonald. John Derbyshire and Pat Buchanaan have both written about it. It was even discussed on Amren and Vdare last summer.

          • Emperor Naked

            What you’re not getting is that in normal psychology, pressures like guilt eventually produce anger. It’s simple. These profs and others are trying to justify themselves because of the guilt thrust on them. Come on, we’ve been hearing and seeing for eons now about how whites in elementary school are set upon, how white male children are set upon, etc., etc. That some grow up to be professors completely brainwashed and eternally seeking acceptance (and also that they are cool, hip and righteous) is how this happens. But I’d agree with anyone that said that it’s out of hand.

          • freddy_hills

            “That some grow up to be professors completely brainwashed and eternally seeking acceptance (and also that they are cool, hip and righteous) is how this happens.”

            That was the point of the video. It explains how it happens.

          • Emperor Naked

            What you say and I will point out is that I knew it already. No need to see a video telling things I already know.

      • Charles W.

        That’s funny, because Europe was Christian for a couple of thousand years before white guilt appeared. In fact, Christianity has decreased as white guilt has increased. So I think your causal relationship there is a bit tenuous.

        • Emperor Naked

          What’s really the humorous thing is your blatant exposure of your lack of historical knowledge. (90% of Europe was not Christianized even a little, until long after the 3nd Century and the northern reaches, i.e. Scandinavia, weren’t even beginning to be Christianized until the eighth century and wasn’t completed until after the 14th century in some areas. Even so, after that, it required brutal pressures such as the Inquisition and fanatical teaching to assert it. Just this small bit of basic historic knowledge shows you to be far off.

          The casual relationship between white guilt and a reduction of Christianity is due to your lack of basic knowledge of the subject you’re commenting on, a common issue I have with many white posters, who don’t seem to know much about their own culture and history.

          If you read widely accepted history and especially the classic tome of period history Edward Gibbon’s, “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire,” it is abundantly clear that Christianity was neither passive or productive of individualism and racial bias. It was the world’s first system of actual collectivism, a communist form that accepted the wealth of rich converts (motivated by fear and afraid of exclusion due to that pesky “Camel through the eye of the needle” thing, and redistributed it to the poor converts, thus created much of the conversion phenomena that was responsible for its growth in the first five centuries. After that, it became a fact of Roman government and political alliances were as much the point as a religious conversion (i.e. Clovis, 500. This was an important conversion because it set a precedent for other kings, when the populations were still “pagan.” And that was in 500!). Christianity can only claim a real European presence after 1,000 and then far from 100%.

          The oft mistaken issue is that White Christian Conservatives came to imagine that Christianity was more of a racially owned or favoring religion. This was only due to isolation. But even in the Antebellum South blacks were Christianized and led to understand that they could expect liberation due to the teachings of the Bible. That Bible you thump is FULL Of mandates regarding inclusion and warnings of the dire consequences of injustice to any. It’s even in Exodus in the “Covenant with God,” (22:21&23:1-9) as well as the famous “Sermon on the Mount.” Not fulfilling those obligations and having them as an imprinted (by force) on white culture is the basis for manipulation of whites through the hugely transparent lack of adherence and practice of the universal love proclaimed by it and further extolled by “St. Paul” – for example. The failure to even come near these universalist Christian ideals if what everyone from the 19th Century Christian Abolitionists to Martin Luther King Jr. relied on for the force of their arguments for social justice. In addition, the fact that social democracy was formed as a political notion in Scandinavia BEFORE Marx is a big piece of evidence that the by then heavy Lutheran Christian culture was the cause. This is also why our Old Northwest, filled as it has been with Nordics of Lutheran background are some of the blindest White liberals in the U.S. today.

          The problem believers like you have is clinging to a religious form that no longer supports you as you have long assumed because too many of your fellows have realized everything I have said above and more OR have enough intelligence to realize how they are exposed by the automatic hypocrisy of it that Christianity exposes. Only remaining supremely ignorant of history allows people like you to come to such conclusions as you do here. This is why I have advocated for whites to unlearn their Christian brainwashing and if they must believe in myths, rediscover their pre-Christian spirituality which serves them as whites far, far better.

  • Funruffian

    Here we are again putting Asians on a pedestal. I’m rather tired of it myself, but the way things are looking in the Good Ole USA, they may be our only salvation.

    • Dr. Möbias

      I seriously doubt “they” will be our salvation. Asians are ethnocentric and care about their own people only, they couldn’t give a rat’s a** about us Whites except to steal our technology, resources and living space. I don’t call that salvation, I call it abetting the genocide of the White race. Asians appear to have jumped on the anti-White bandwagon along with ALL other non-Whites. They supported the anti-White Obama.
      We either take care of ourselves and our own, as every other race/ethnicity does or we will be genocided off the face of the earth.

      It’s late in the day and the cavalry ain’t coming.

      • Leave it to the aristocratic minds and their highbrow logic to think that being credulous is a virtue. Of course, it’s always someone else’s time, money, resources and family that should have to pay the ultimate price.

      • Funruffian

        I agree with you. The reason why I stated that is to draw the proper response from someone, and it was from you. Yes, they are not one of us and they don’t show any allegiance to us. They are selfish and resourceful only amongst themselves. Anyone who has dealt with them in business knows how greedy, deceptive and cunning they can be.

        • Berkeley Guy

          I like what you did here. Most of European types know there is no help but what we give to ourselves. Self-sufficiency is one of our founding ideals. The ones who don’t know that are who we care about helping, provided that they actually are about their culture and heritage.

          Does anyone think that self-sufficiency is highly regarded in main stream media?

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Asians in the past have massacred entire populations of Europeans in unprovoked invasions repeatedly as though they were the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse. Never forget that. Worse, many of the infectious diseases that killed massive numbers of us and threaten our civilization today were introduced into our people by Asians. They brought the Black Death to Europe. You are correct, they not only do not care about us, they will exterminate us unless we regard them as our most deadly enemy. They are a bigger threat to us even than those who cannot be named by virtue of their sheer numbers.

  • IstvanIN

    Have you ever noticed that, when braking, the car in the lane next to you appears to be accelerating? It is simply an optical illusion. This, they may not be rising, we may be sinking.

    • EuroHero

      That was clever.

  • Sick of it

    So the Qing were Han Chinese…

  • Sick of it

    I’d like to see PISA and IQ scores from across the Chinese population, not from selected areas and groups.

  • Martel

    I acknowledge that both groups have high average IQ’s, what I am saying is that under the right circumstances we are able to outcompete them, as we have in the past.

  • Hans Schneider

    school segregation led to slower and more simplistic methods of teaching and that iis the real honest reason.

  • Chip Carver

    What’s amusing in a lot of the posts is the fact that the worshippers of the Ashkenazi and E. Asians will not acknowledge the fact that these groups have been shown to have narrower SDs (standard deviations) in the distribution of IQ scores than those stupid white people. These peoples are more inbred, especially the Ashkenazis. As a side note, it’s interesting how so many Jews in the US make cracks about backwater hicks being inbred when they themselves are in fact more inbred than the “hillbillies”.
    IQ is not the end all to “intelligence”. Despite all the crowing about IQ, neither of the supposedly superior groups comes close to matching whites in achievement if you look at all of the groups beginning to end. The Jews point at Nobel Prizes. Almost half of those they claim to be Jewish are claimed not to be Jewish by others – or half-Jewish. With former judges of the Noble committee(s) complaining about the intense political pressure from Jewish lobbying and increasingly more from Asian groups, you have to wonder how deserving certain winners have been the past three decades, and especially over the last 10 – 15 years. Obviously there are other factors in cognitive ability that cannot be measured. Sure, Jews are smart. But every country they run has become or is a mess. Israel couldn’t exist without massive handouts from the US and Germany. China is a mess internally. There are huge areas of China that are almost out of control in terms of their government running things. The crime syndicates have more control in those area than the central government.

    If we break down the achievements of Whites by separate ethnic groups, then the Jews have to scramble to match the Scots and the Germans and others based on population numbers. And it’s likely Jewish population numbers are much higher than what we are told. Everyone seems to rely on Jewish sources for those numbers. Take a look around, start adding things up. And remember that they were the only group who lobbied the US Census back in the early 20th Century to not count them as a religion or an ethnic group. Just mark us under “White”. Ok. 2% of the US population. Really? NYC. The monied areas of L.A. and the San Fernando Valley – Encino, Sherman Oaks? Los Angeles and Orange Counties in CA? New York state? Illinois? Florida? Add the numbers up in those areas alone. Please. As I’ve written before, a Jewish professor at UCLA told me that Jewish population numbers were likely 4 times higher than what is stated, in order to avoid attention and problems. That tactic has never worked for anyone in the long run.

    As for Chinese / East Asian population numbers, just look at the incredible number of academic “wizards” these populations have cranked out the past four decades. Look at their population numbers compared to White Americans alone. Then look at the comparisons of high achievements in science, technology, the arts. They outnumber us by the millions when it comes to academic grinds, toads, hacks. Yet they cannot match us in invention, creativity, advancement. Case closed. I wouldn’t doubt that there are areas of cognitive development that we aren’t told about, simply because Whites are superior in those areas.

    We were supposed to have been bought out and taken over by the Japanese and the rest of Asia 30 years ago, according to the sources the trolls, The Usual Suspects, post here and at other sites. I guess things aren’t going according to plan. But those same sources, those same individuals, continue to be quoted and looked at the top of the line experts in all things.

    And if people want to argue that Asians and Jews do not have a narrower SD while having slightly higher average IQs than Whites, ask them why most of the people we see with IQs over 140, and especially over 150 are those hated “gentile” White males?

    Don’t get too wrapped up in IQ. There are other factors at work. Once you’ve actually lived and worked around Asians as I have (unlike the trolls who haven’t, but claim to have, along with their other lies) you’ll see that they aren’t exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer in a lot of areas. Learning and memorizing are one thing. Having actual insight into what you’re looking at, what you are learning, is completely different. Think about it.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Jews have intense hatred towards anyone who is not an urban dweller. That is why they denigrate rural folks who want no part of the Hellhole cities Jews have made that way. And yes, they are inbred six ways to Sunday, they are afflicted by more genetic disorders that predominantly or exclusively affect them than any other ethnic or racial group.

      • NoMosqueHere

        How do you know “jews have intense hatred towards anyone who is not an urban dweller.”? It is nonsense. And according to a recent study published in the NY Times, 71 percent of reform or secular jews inter-marry with non jews (mostly white gentiles). Virtually every jew I know is married to a white gentile. I don’t have a position on whether inter marriage is a good thing; but I do know america will receive fewer noble prizes moving forward.

    • Berkeley Guy

      Thought provoking. This shows that I still have a lot research to do on ethnicity and genetics, especially on doing the math myself on some statistical resources.

      Your post reaffirms what most of us European Americans know: that we are intellectually and morally unique, and cultural media tactics are not working on intelligent whites.

      Our race realism, and the individualized research that we were forced (and now enjoy) to conduct everyday is leading the way towards our future.

    • Laura Dilworth

      a narrower standard deviation-what does that mean?

      • More of the bell curve is closer to the median. In this case, far many more average and average-like IQ people and far fewer geniuses and “retards.”

        • Laura Dilworth

          and maybe retarded people are done away with

      • A narrower SD means the bell-curve would be more of a sharp spike instead of a gentle hill.

        • Laura Dilworth

          hmmmm

        • EuroHero

          Yep, exactly.

  • Fak_Zakaix

    There is a problem with Japan though. Too many Japanese…

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      Yes, and too much “Japanese privilege”…

      • Japanese Privilege… Chinese Privilege… They just don’t have near the wonderful diversity and multiculturalism that we have in White countries.

        Asian Privilege: Why are we not addressing this serious issue?

  • Chip Carver

    That has nothing to do with the average scores. You’re being a tad bit disingenuous. They could be 2% or 90% of test takers. Their average score is their average. No one is commenting on who is overrepresented. Break down Asians and it’s likely E. Indians are overrepresented when compared to the Chinese.

    • Chip Carver

      I should have added that one should go here to look at some of the stats before bowing down to other peoples: http://www -dot – affirmativeactionhoax – dot – com/additions/ As I’ve stated before, I’m actually surprised Whites are doing as well as they are, considering the brutal attack we’ve been under for decades, with the horrible schools and so many Whites falling for the “culture” that has led to the breakdown of the family. Whites would do well to observe how tight nit Asian families are.

      Slightly off topic, just popped into my head, is that people should take a look at the yearly reports in each state that list, by name, doctors in trouble for malpractice, whether it be financial shenanigans, screwing up in the operating room, what have you. In CA a couple of years ago, 85% of the names on the list were Asians. They are certainly not 85% of the doctors in the state. Why doesn’t the press take this and run with it?

      And now I get to run off to … Las Vegas. I guess that while I’m enjoying hands on studies of statistics and probability I’ll see some multi-cult comedies that will tie in with whatever stories Amren has on tap Tuesday. No, I doubt I’ll become a gambling addict like so many Asians, lol.

  • Alec Smart

    Most money is spent trying to make the dumbest kids smarter. We shouldn’t be shocked the results aren’t good.

    If we instead focused on improving education for the top 10/25/50% of students, we would get the most bang for the buck. But this would of course ‘disproportionately’ affect whites – a result so distasteful to liberals they would rather first sink America than improve the lives of any white Americans.

  • kenfrombayside

    “Finland, Poland or Japan Do not have any racial minorities.” My, they are certainly bigoted.

    • Emperor Naked

      Finland and Poland have been having big problems with blacks and Muslims for some time now. In Finland, a nationalist party has been the target of government suppression for a while now as well.

      • BonusGift

        You are correct; also, subtract those scores and their scores go up.

  • EuroHero

    In the first snip of the article second line it reads “poured enormous amounts into our PUBIC schools”. Lmao!

  • EuroHero

    Goddamn you hit the nail right on the head. Your comment right there is one of the most informing and brilliant pieces of thought I have ever read on an online forum. You need to write a book on that.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    But your not moving there and the Easterners with money (those that can) are getting their families to the West… nothing but overpopulation and environmental destruction rise from the East. Go live there, oh wait… you would never do that. I’m sure plenty of Chinese would love to switch places with you but not one White American wants to live there, not even the handicapped JE who fawns over Han Chinese children.

  • EuroHero

    As I have said before, this website has some very smart people commenting on it but I think this article has brought out some of the best post ever. Users “Chip Carver, and “Tech Work” have made some really great and important points. Particularly Tech Work’s comment about IQ test being adjusted to add more weight to the visuospatial section to slightly boost up Asian scores over whites. I’m just so use to being surrounded about mental retardation (I use to live in the ghetto) that I am overwhelmed by numerous intelligent statements.

  • JohnEngelman

    Pat didn’t say the Asians were superior. You do.

    – Tech Work

    Ranked one through seven in test scores in reading, science and math were Shanghai-China, Singapore, Hong Kong-China, Taiwan, South Korea, Macau-China, Japan. Also well ahead of the United States is Vietnam.

    – Patrick J. Buchanan, Buchanan, December 6, 2013

    • Dr. Möbias

      With cherry-picked students. See article posted above, which I’ll repost right here:

      China is Cheating the World Student Rankings System

      “Enough is enough: Beijing must supply national data to assessors and not simply the results of a small minority of elite students

      By not providing full national data, China is in effect cheating.

      China only shares Shanghai’s score with PISA. (Hong Kong, a Special Autonomous Region of China, sends its own data.)

      Shanghainese and Hong Kong students are much better educated than those elsewhere in China. Slate quoted the Brookings Institution’s Tom Loveless as saying that “About 84 percent of Shanghai high school graduates go to college, compared to 24 percent nationally.” In addition, Loveless points out that affluent Shanghainese parents will spend large sums on extra tuition for the children — paying fees that far exceed what an average worker makes in a year.”

      • JohnEngelman

        Japanese, Koreans, and Chinese in Taiwan outperform whites in their countries. Japanese Americans, Korean Americans,. and Chinese Americans outperform white Gentiles in the United States.

  • Fr. John+

    NO, she’s not. If a White Man wants to see beauty, stop lusting after what the Japanese call a ‘gai-jin,’ what the Greeks call a ‘Xenos,’ and what English calls a ‘furriner.’ The Blond, blue-eyed Nordic is the ‘trophy wife’ of most Afreakin-Amurricans for a REASON.

    Only our White race produces the most beatiful women on earth- to put it bluntly. FUBU. And God’s law prohibits the miscegeneation of the races. End of Story.

    • Emperor Naked

      You’re nothing but a story. But you don’t have the authority to end any tale. The Bible you quote represents God and Jesus as universally racial and ethnic egalitarians. What ever it says in the Hebrew and tribal Old Testament is revised and reversed in the New Testament. You can never win the white argument or contribute to its survival using the Bible or Christianity. Grow a brain.

      • Talltrees

        “The Bible you quote represents God and Jesus as universally racial and ethnic egalitarians.”

        Not everyone was equal in intelligence, capabilities, and talents in the Old and New Testament. Equal means equality in treatment under the law, not equal intelligence, talents, or capabilities.

        Fr.John is correct when he said “God’s law prohibits the miscegeneation of the races.” God created nations and different languages to keep peoples apart.

        For the educated Christian left, pointing out these issues MIGHT cause a few to think; however, conservatives are advised to use emotional reasoning with liberals rather than logical reasoning.

        If you are not Christian, of course, you have other suggestions on how to deal with the left you might want to share.

        • Emperor Naked

          So give me the Bible quotes that say that “God” treats people differently. Except for the Old Testament (which was written by a tribe for their own benefit) the Bible, meaning the NT (for Christians) represents equal treatment/acceptance of everyone in “The Kingdom of God.” This has nothing to do with the realistic side of the meaning of equality, which if you think a little, is a given when discussing something as esoteric as a religion and especially Christianity. What people DO or DID with Christianity historically is another issue (Dante created levels of Hell to nourish Christian nightmares).

          I’d also like to see the verses that say that “God created different nations and different languages to keep people apart. This is tantamount to saying that “God” supports Darwin’s Theory of Evolution (which knocks Creationists right out of their tree). A common error among people like Fr. John is to to arrogate the OT to have been meant for everyone. It’s wasn’t and isn’t. It is the story of the religion of the Jews and their edicts about keeping separate from everyone else is probably the most famous and well known issue that identifies Jewish practice and resultant identity. In the OT, Jesus is represented as having said that he had the authority to change or fulfill the rules and prophecies, but this only stands for people who believe in him to begin with. Jews certainly don’t believe it and whatever else you say about it, they were the majority of people around when he was supposed to be preaching to the masses.

          There is a term for “believers” that think they can pick and choose their way through scripture to form a particular presumptive idea, it is called “antinomianism (against law).” Specifically, this selective application of Biblical directives on the basis that faith excuses/justifies it. This was a main issue during the Reformation and the Churches main objection to Martin Luther, whose teaching did away with the formality of good works, ritual acts of contrition, etc. It also led to costly religious civil war among Whites in Europe and hugely affected European history in a negative way – leading to the eventual two world wars that gutted Europe and left it open to non-white takeover).

          Moreover, this “God” has never been seen to intervene anywhere to protect either his “Chosen People” or later Christians except in myths. If this “God” is so outraged at miscegenation or national/ethnic collapse of “the nations of the world” then his Christians certainly have damned themselves throughout history and he sure doesn’t care about his White adherents today. As Woody Allen once said, “If there is a God, he’s incompetent.”

          I have been posting on this board for about eight years. I have consistently pointed out that fatal error that White adherents to Christianity carry with their faith. It is all too obvious to me, but their argument is that somehow the Bible supports them as a separate or elite or special people. This notion has no support in the Bible and in fact is at best only a usurpation of Judaic myth concerning and meant for themselves. The main complaint I have beyond the frank silliness of all religious beliefs and especially Christianity (as the most ridiculous claims of all), is that it historically by devious and often bloody conquest came to dominant Europe, in form at least. Europeans had their own beautiful and far better functioning (for life on earth) religions before Christianity came to conquer. Seeing life as a relationship to the seasons and the movements of stars makes more sense from even a scientific consideration than superstitious beliefs of universal human sacrifice and zombie resurrection fired by fearful threats to the unbeliever. It created a kind of schizophrenia in the European psyche. Luckily, we a humans had to survive for tens of thousands of years by being practical, so we all have access to common sense, which would and does rise up and dispel these nonsensical beliefs once people begin to have the courage to question the thing.

          • Talltrees

            Never said God treated anyone differently. He does punish sinners differently than non-sinners, but not according to race or ethnicity. The point I attempted to make was, not everyone is born with equal intelligence, talents or capabilities as liberals proclaim. Education, training, good nutrition, change in environment will improve these people, but at some point improvement stops and will never equal those with superior or above average intelligence, for example. Some people are born with talents in specific areas. Others born with talents in other areas. Some were born where they can’t excel in much of anything. Just reading the Bible, one can see there were differing intelligences, capabilities, and talents among the peoples. There were also Caucasian, Mongoloid, and Negroid races, as well as ethnicities.

            As for God creating nations. Google “The Tower of Babel & The Ancestry of Abraham Genesis 11:1-9, and “THE ORIGIN OF RACE” By Cooper P. Abrams, III. Also Google: “Revelation 17 – The Fall of Religious Babylon,” as well as, “What does “Nation, kindred, tongue and people” in Rev. 14 mean?”

            “If this “God” is so outraged at miscegenation or
            national/ethnic collapse of “the nations of the world” then his
            Christians certainly have damned themselves throughout history and he sure doesn’t care about his White adherents today.”
            Again, refer to why God created nations and Babylon.

            He is angry at those who have turned away from Him and many have done so (Babylon). Regardless of what believers did in the past, they are forgiven if they ask for it. Not too long ago, the majority of the population in the U.S. were Christians and the reason we were blessed by God. See the city of Babylon and what He did to it. God tells us he will help us defeat our enemies. (Try to remember, the Bible was written in such a way so people of the time understood.)
            As for wars, etc., throughout history, we see that dissimilar races, ethnicities, and religions do not get along. To me, it’s human nature. We want to live with those that think and live like ourselves. Nothing wrong with that. When one side is aggressive towards the other, should the other do nothing? This is what causes wars. However God intervenes, it is to teach lessons and to bring them back to Him. God’s punishments can be harsh.

            “There is a term for “believers” that think they can pick and
            choose their way through scripture to form a particular presumptive idea, it is called “antinomianism (against law).”

            The word ‘believers” is questionable. Many do pick and choose, and believe what their ministers tell them right or wrong. God warns of “false prophets,” and there are many. The best ways to understand the Bible is to study it through ethical Biblical scholars and as believers, God gives us the answers Himself. That’s difficult to comprehend for non-believers because they have not experienced it.

            God loves everyone, not just Whites, but he wants them to follow Him and what is in the Bible. Most do not, even Christians. He also tells us not to become too involved with those that do not believe in Him because they might sway our thinking to their side. We are also not to become involved with sinners because they will sway our thinking. Now, we have all kinds of religions in the country that do not adhere to the messages of God. While he loves these people, he disapproves of their religions and their message and will not hesitate to punish them in ways to make them see. I believe this is what our country is facing today…punishment. Too many no longer
            or do not believe in Him and follow his teachings.

            “Seeing life as a relationship to the seasons and the movements of stars makes more sense from even a scientific consideration than superstitious beliefs of universal human sacrifice and zombie resurrection fired by fearful threats to the unbeliever.”
            I cannot look around and believe that everything occurred and began functioning perfectly at the right time. If one thing did not, there’d be no earth, no plants, no animals, no humans. I’m in the medical profession and it’s difficult to think the extremely complex bodies of humans and animals, all their organs function in unison without divine creation. Just the eye itself is a miraculous organ. One has to be knowledeable of the body to understand.
            God is a good parent. We listen to our parents because we know what will happen if we don’t. Parents punish because they want the best for their children, concerned about encountering harm. Their years of experience are well worth listening to. If we did, we’d make fewer mistakes in our lives. Now, I realize many parents are inadequate, but you get the idea.

            True believers have experienced God working in their lives, from personal miracles where nothing on earth could have caused something to occur to preventing us from doing something because He has other plans or it will harm us. I have experienced some miracles where what happened could not be explained. I tried to find the answers here on earth. They weren’t there. Even doctors called them miracles. It’s only afterwards, do we see He was involved.

            Believing comes to those who sincerely ask God for it.

            While I understand it does appear occultish to believe, it isn’t.

            I use logic and common sense, as well. I do understand where you are coming from because I think there are some true believers who questioned at one time or another whether there is a God, that the Bible was ‘crazy,’ the Old Testament was horrible, only to find out later, yes, there is a God.

          • Anna Tree

            Where in the Bible are the Mongoloids cited?
            And what do you think about that spot in the space that our eye cannot see?

          • Talltrees

            You will find it in one of the articles mentioned to Emperor Naked.

            So, you are saying, correct me if wrong, despite blind spots eyes still work; therefore, the body can function if something goes wrong as in evolution. Blind spots are not noticeable when using both eyes. Without two eyes, then, most people will have diminished sight whether it is a blind spot or decreased field of vision. When the body is not finely tuned, optimal condition can’t be achieved. Survival of the fittest. One abnormal electrolyte, for example, affects the entire body and can kill us.

    • John R

      Whites are obviously the most beautiful race in the world-both males and females. Anyone suggesting otherwise is either blind, lying, or just retarded. For that reason ALONE we should oppose the mixing of the races. Why do we care about obscure species or breeds of animals dying out, but don’t care about the best subspecies of humans?

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      Still, as a Japanese she is very beautiful.

  • Dr. Möbias

    They will never create the innovations and breakthroughs Whites have because creativity is not in their DNA. They are an ant-like people, better at following and conforming. Conformists do not think outside of the proverbial box as is evident by their lack of innovations.

  • Dr. Möbias

    Asian countries do well when they adopt Western political principles. Japan and South Korea were able to flourish after they chose to imitate Western systems.

    • Berkeley Guy

      Exactly. The sun rises in the east when aspects of western culture rise there. Look at China’s slow, incremental adoption of capitalism.

  • Dr. Möbias

    We have posted refutation after refutation using hard facts but Engelman ignores them because it bursts his bubble about superior Asians vs. inferior Whites. He’ll go on to another thread and claim that no one has ever presented facts to him that refute the superiority of Asians over Whites.

    That’s because he is a sociopath and sociopaths are immune to facts, reasoning and logic. He is a robot who has been programmed by anti-Whites. What amazes me is this site allows him to spew the same demoralizing anti-White venom across all its threads.

    It detracts from what we should be concentrating on: Saving the White race from annihilation.

    • It amazes me as well. I’ve seen moderators delete some really benign pro-White comments, and then leave Yellow John’s pro-multiracial comments untouched. There’s an agenda, for sure. I’m now more inclined to believe that it’s an agenda from moderators and/or Jared Taylor himself more than just a few Asiaphiles trying to post their anti-White rhetoric.

  • Dr. Möbias

    No, he won’t. He is a programmed anti-White robot, immune to facts, data, logic and reasoning.
    He is an anti-White who supports the replacement of Whites with “superior” Asians and Jews.
    You are wasting your time engaging him because he never, ever veers from his own warped opinions and slides around any facts that dispute his narrow world view.

  • Philo Vaihinger

    The inevitable what?

  • Philo Vaihinger

    Some Latinos are white. “Hispanic” is no more a race than “anglophone.”

    • M.

      “Some Latinos are white.”

      Most of them aren’t. Especially those who cross the border illegally. They’re a dumbed-down version of their full-blooded Iberian counterparts. But they only got what they deserve for being so open about segregation and race-mixing.
      The Americans are following the same path now, and the same consequences are starting to loom.

      • Ella

        Many of the early Mexican immigrants may have a higher percentage of White-Spaniard descent. The type of immigration over the last 30 years that I see tends to be mostly Indian or Mestizo. They look nothing like Whites….. I read too that 3-5% of Mexicans have full European DNA. Maybe, 8% at the highest estimate if you include <50% White.

        • A lot of the “Spanish” in the US mountain west are really Basques. Not even Indo-European Spanish, they’re real European Cro-Magnon.

    • Garrett Brown

      Very, very few. I’d say less than five percent have kept their full Spanish DNA.

  • Emperor Naked

    Last I knew both Finland and Poland hosted significant minority groups that were already at work, beating, and raping the populace. Finland was prosecuting its own nationalist movement, etc. So when did this change? Are you claiming that Finland and Poland have deported their Muslim and black populations?

    • JTK

      Are you serious? I spent 3 weeks in Poland last year. I seen one black at the airport during that time. No Muslims. During my vacations I drove a lot and visited many places. Similar situation is in Finland,however I have not been there recently. Check Wikipedia for more facts.

      • BonusGift

        Are you serious, I know Finland very well and the population is relatively homogenous by U.S. standards but not by the standards of countries not targeted for genocide (e.g., every other country outside of a white country but Israel). You clearly confuse relatively homogenous countries with truly homogeneous ones that are allowed and encouraged to avoid genocide.

      • Emperor Naked

        I’ll be objective enough to admit that some may have left. But did you miss the election of a black African to a mayor of a city a couple years ago? (A Slovenian city also elected an African mayor a few years back). There may have been some push back, but having been posting on this site for seven or eight years, I have read stories HERE that contradict you somewhat or a great deal.

        I lived in Europe for a few years in the late 90s and as a private individual, not attached to the military or an American company. I worked with an orthopedic surgeon in Eastern Europe. Being a tourist is not the same as spending real time and seeing everything. I drove through and spent various amounts of time in 14 European countries. Of course, no one can see EVERYTHING, but I do know that Wikipedia is likely not the place to study non-European, non-white immigration or crime stats.

        • JTK

          Jussi Pajuen is a current mayor of Helsinki since 2005. The
          previous mayor was Eva-Riitta Siitoen from 1996 to 2005. Both are white natives of Finland. What did I miss?
          Piran is a small (pop. 4000) town in Slovenia. He will be the first and last black mayor after he will run the town to the ground. Hopefully Slovenians will learn fast.

          • Emperor Naked

            Poland, not Finland, a black African was elected to a Polish city a couple years ago to the wild raves of worshipful Polish people. I lived in Slovenia and still have friends there. Slovenia has been invaded. I know Slovenian culture well enough to know that unfortunately, Slovenes love to show that they are superior to American culture because they revere people like Nelson Mandela and at least while I was there, tended to worship blacks from afar (as in basketball heroes, ideological heroes (MLK) etc.).

            However, they can and have reversed themselves at times. I recall when they were commenting (news) that regarding Gypsies, Slovenia would not treat them the way Americans treated the Indians. So they opened their schools to Gypsie children – and then threw them out when their kids started to get beat up by the Gypsie kids (immediately). But I don’t know the end story there.

            Again, one is too many., especially in an elected position has ALWAYS led to more.

          • JTK

            John Godson is a member of 460 members Polish parliament, not mayor. Previously he was elected to the City Council of Lodz, which is is a large city. Sad story, but at least he is well educated. Hopefully there will not be any more. I guess, Poles watch too much American TV, and got some bad ideas. I seen him on Youtube a few years ago. Looks like blacks are overrepresented in Polish Parliament by the factor of ten now.

    • Anna Tree

      Emperor Naked, I think you are confusing with Norway and Sweden, Sweden especially has indeed a lot of muslims and blacks, and a lot of violence from them against the native, riots, beatings, rapes, gang rape sprees etc Norway does have a new nationalist movement getting more and more support.
      Finland and Poland have accepted less immigrants compared to other European countries.

      • Emperor Naked

        They have enough, that is my point. Any is too much. I have had a Finnish girlfriend (1996) and have Finnish cousins.

        • Anna Tree

          Yes they do, I agree. I posted a link to an article on the muslim’s “contributions” to Finland, it is waiting moderation I presume.

          • Emperor Naked

            I miss-spoke, or wrote. I mean to say that any is enough, not that 10,000 sounds about right. Any is wrong.

          • Anna Tree

            Yeah I meant that too 🙂

    • JTK

      In recent years Finland accepted about 10000 refugees, mostly from Somalia and North African countries. Non White population is still below 1 percent. 99 percent looks pretty homogenous to me. I understand your concerns, however, because of the very fast rate of increase of those minorities. Ten years ago the number was zero.

      • Emperor Naked

        In 1996 I had a Finnish girlfriend and knew a number of Finnish women working here in the U.S. They already had problems with immigrants then. Also, the Finnish government had by then projected that by 2040 (or some such) there would be no more Finns because of the low birth rate. They have tried to do something about this, but since you don’t seem to know the reality of Finnish problems with whatever percentage of immigrants they have and the governments prosecution of Finns that object, I cannot accept your story. As far as I am concerned, one Somali or bantu of any sort north of the shores of Africa is too many, let alone hundreds of blacks in Helsinki assaulting the population.

        • JTK

          Finland has a long way to catch up with other Western
          Europeans countries in terms of black or Muslim minorities. I heard from my friends, who visited Finland recently, that overwhelming majority of Blacks (mostly Somalis) are concentrated in a few neighborhoods of Helsinki. If you go there, you may have problem.
          I think it is similar to Vermont which has about 1 percent
          of Blacks. In most of the state you don’t see a single black
          for days, but some neighborhoods in Burlington are majority Black. They tend to concentrate in the small areas of the largest cities.

          • Emperor Naked

            Especially on your part. I have known Finns and have cousins that have married Finns. When I read about a Finnish woman being raped with scissors in a Northern town, the government crackdown on the Finnish nationalist party for simply protesting the immigration policies, I feel that is far from anecdotal evidence.

  • Greg Thomas

    How did mexico score?

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Doesn’t matter, we don’t care. That is for them to decide, we just want them to leave us alone. Get it?

    I dare you to agree with us that they have a right to their culture and land without us just as we have that same right… it’s called self-determination, something JE is very much against.

    To a JE we have no right to an existence without their input.

  • IstvanIN

    Agreed. Depending on who you talk to the problem is (Dems) lack of funding, lack of minority teachers, old buildings or (Repubs) teacher unions, bad teachers, lack of vouchers. Perhaps the obvious answer is the correct one: lack of grey matter.

  • Evette Coutier

    So what’s your point?

    • JohnEngelman

      My point is the same as Pat Buchanan’s point.

      • Evette Coutier

        The point of the article was the in racially mixed communities there is a lack of trust, and that immigrants score low on IQ tests. Yet, one short passage addresses Asians. They are not mentioned anywhere else. And yet that was your only citation. So how is ignoring the bulk of the article making the same point as Buchanan?

        • JohnEngelman

          Buchanan’s point is that the sun is rising in the East. That is my point. This is because Orientals tend to be more intelligent than white Gentiles, and more disciplined.

          • Evette Coutier

            OK, I thought you meant the article you cited. I’m going to disagree with you but on a different basis. The sun is rising in the east and intelligence and discipline are factors. But Buchanan is only partially correct. First, western civilizations are falling because they have become soft and corrupt. Throughout history, the Romans being a classic example, fell because they were brought down by corruption, social indifference, and moral and emotional weakness. This is the case with western Europe and America. The Asians are rising from poverty and d difficult conditions. They are hungry and not complacent. They are moving away from corrupt socialist government and Europe and America are moving toward it. They are at economic war and we just want to all get along.

            All societies go through these cycles with the exception of black societies who are in a constant state of failure. Buchanan is over simplifying a complex issue. This is likely because few reads want read deep analysis. They want simple answers that are easy to understand, take little effort, and tell them what they want to hear. But to suggest that intelligence and discipline are the only factors is misinformed and ignores historical fact. Fact, both the Japanese and Chinese cultures have been high IQ and high discipline for thousands of years. By Buchanan’s thinking then they should have ruled as the top nations for thousands of years. The same could be said for Ashkenazi Jews. Supposedly, they have the highest intelligence and they are a very disciplined culture. By your thinking they should have rules the middle east, and then Europe. In fact they have never been. So the point Buchanan is making does not hold water.

          • JohnEngelman

            Pat Buchanan probably attributes less importance than I do to genetic factors. All three of us agree that the East is rising. The West is falling.

            Also, from the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the Italian Renaissance extra terrestrial visitors to earth would have concluded that China was more advanced than the West.

  • SiniticMan

    This is the argument I hear time and time again from Whites when they cannot stand the idea of East Asians being equal or superior. That we lack ingenuity, innovation, creativity, and the innate ability to think outside of the box. I don’t believe you can really measure these traits unless you considered history completely halted at the present moment.

    But I do know one thing from being around Whites so much: you guys do have innate superior verbal ability relative to East Asians. Go to any physics college class with lots of East Asians or Whites and observe carefully whose mouths move faster relative to their eyes and vice versa. I believe White superior verbal ability is a result of Abrahamic doctrinal religion.

    But I also have an evolutionary explanation for this. Since the ancestors of Whites evolved in conditions in which the pressure for selection was not as great as in East Asia, their visual spatial abilities were not as high relative to East Asians. Because in those days, the male with the greater visual spatial ability was usually the more effective hunter/killer/warrior. He has to understand his battlefield visually and then find the most effective shortest route in tasks which involve surviving and killing the other man in his way of resources and females. And because you guys had lower Visual Spatial abilities but more natural resources in the Levant/Europe theatre; Males who could use their verbal faculties and negotiate (lie) to other males were more likely to obtain the resources and maintain relative peace until of course the have not males would find out how poor and lied to they were and take what they want through force. And to take resources from a rich man who managed to become rich because of his superior verbal faculties, a man needs superior visual spatial abilities to understand his battlefield visually and use what little resources he has to its maximum lethal capacity. So basically because you guys had more natural resources in history but with a lower visual spatial ability, Abrahamic religion was an organic tool used by Whites to negotiate resources with little fighting for resources as possible.

    Whereas in East Asia, since natural resources was not as abundant and the selection pressure was greater, it was an all out battle between every man and they would keep battling each other for the thousands of years to come when power was consolidated to one alpha male. In Mongolia it was Genghis Khan. In China it was Qin Shi Huang the first emperor and so verbal faculties was not necessary for the Mongoloid race. A mongoloid male would never believe another mongoloid male’s verbal lies just so he can obtain all the resources and women for himself. This was the case between Caucasoid males and you guys only started to become like us in the recent several centuries in taking what you wanted through force both from each other and from other races. Your visual spatial capabilities thus developed overtime within the recent several centuries but combined with your already high verbal, you guys were able to develop and make great innovations to mankind.

    But then again whenever I hear from Whites that we East Asians are just innately less creative, I just cringe. Its just to me a matter of development through different avenues with different circumstances already in place.

    I’ll never forget one experience I had in a physics college class. One of my partners was White Italian American and he could read through the problems and understand the situation very well through reading the words. While I had to re-read it over and over again and constantly move my eyes between the experiment and words in the paper. In the end I received praise from the professor when he went around tables and I was able to fully explain the experiment to him utilizing also my hand gestures. I understood the experiment through frantic eye movement and visual manipulations in my head almost entirely. Whereas it amazed me how quick the Italian American could grasp the words and seemed like he fully understood what was going on in the experiment but that was clearly not the case when he just relegated me the choice to write down the answer. His response was something like “I don’t know just go ahead and put it” I ended up even going to different tables explaining to completely baffled people who only understood the experiment on the surface because of the words alone. I noticed the Anglo Americans or nordic looking ones were also very good at the physics problem because obviously they finished just after I did because they were usually loud about it or voiced their satisfaction more I would say. Their eye movements were pretty good and I could understand that they understood the experiment pretty well both visually and verbally.

    • Anna Tree

      There is an IQ difference between (South) Italians and Englo-Germans:

      Mediterraneans whites have mixed with their freed black slaves and have suffered centuries of rapes due to jihad and occupation.

      This is now happening to the Englo-Germans.

    • Paul

      ‘I don’t believe you can really measure these traits unless you considered history completely halted at the present moment.’

      You can measure it very easily. White people literally ARE civilization. From the minute you get up look at every single thing you use, wear or interact with. They are all invented by white males. Now I’m sure at this point someone will say these things are all made in China. I would prefer to use the term copied in China. We originally manufactured all these things ourselves until we were sold-out and white-anted from within

    • IstvanIN

      The fact remains that Asia stagnated for a very long period of time. Asians didn’t venture out nearly as much as Europeans did. That is just fact. Japan, for all their progress, and they did progress rapidly between the 1860 and WWI to become a world power, only progressed because the west/US forced them to engage with the outside world.

      The Mongolians were great at killing everyone from China to the Danube, but not very good at building advanced civilizations. The Chinese would invent something but not seem to be able to run with it. Whether you like it or not, the modern world is a European/Euro-diaspora invention.

      That being said, even if you are better than us, I would still want my people to survive. I don’t want Asians over-running the nations my people built. I would want my people to survive even if we were the bottom of the heap.

      • Berkeley Guy

        Yes, this is what many of us whites feel I believe. We want space for ourselves and our culture to develop in its own unique way. But other cultures simply want to partake in what we have, so they disagree. So-called White flight is an outcome of this sentiment.

    • Berkeley Guy

      Do you think verbal ability played a large role for the European’s invention of the fields of physics, chemistry, and biology? Not a sarcastic question. I was thinking about your post and trying to correlate verbal ability with laying the groundwork for physical experiments and innovations. Perhaps it helps with documenting them or communicating them, but calculus, and the notion of infinity seem to require a solid visuospatial ability. As an example, Toricelli, an Italian in the 1600s, expanded the the notion of infinity by finding a solid trumpet-like structure with infinite surface area but finite volume.

      Perhaps I am missing a key factor here, such as speed of visual understanding. Maybe the better-performing East Asians are quicker in visuospatial tasks?

      • SiniticMan

        I believe the foundation was verbal ability for Europeans. Just observe your older Caucasoid relatives in the Near East/Middle East. Because I was even more astounded by Near Easterners on how good they were with words despite them not being considered entirely white at least by Anglo Americans. And so after observing Near Easterners’ verbal ability I’m not surprised at all by what the north Africans/Middle Easterners achieved with their algebra, numerals and all. Therefore, I believe that resources, verbal ability, and Abrahamic doctrinal religion are correlated with progress. Whereas visuo-spatial ability is another whole story but helps with discovery if your verbal is already average or high. So to answer your question it could be that Italian foundation was verbal but because their visuo-spatial was higher than Near Easterners, they made significant scientific achievements. Or maybe Italian foundation was visuo-spatial but near Easterners brought Abrahamic verbal culture to them. For nordics, its a different story than southern Europeans I believe. They may have started with Visuo-Spatial because I do recall in world history class the ancestors of Scandinavians/Germans were quite dog eat dog barbaric and because Italians enforced/transfered verbal abrahamic culture into them, we live in a largely abrahamicized Nordic influenced world today. And I say “I believe” because I’m not claiming to be an expert but all I can say is I qualify for Mensa through the RPM test alone.

        I know how savage the Mongoloid race can get. We deal with each other visuo-spatially and whenever we are in close quarters with one another and tension builds between us (Korean vs Chinese) I say to myself, “There you go again, talking to me with your eyes”. Whereas with Whites (at least in America, probably less so in Europe) things are more verbal, less dog eat dog, more abrahamic, and material transaction oriented with rule of law to keep a sense of decency. But whether that is the fastest most efficient way to evolve humanity is for humans to decide.

        Setting race aside, we as humanity have to decide how we are going to live in peace and progress. Should we gravitate to a more abrahamic/monolithic/verbal/culturally loaded world, or should we gravitate to a more visuo-spatial world where there is a cycle with no beginning or end and anything goes.

      • ixObserver

        Do you think verbal ability played a large role for the European’s invention of the fields of physics, chemistry, and biology?

        ———————–
        May be. I think higher levels of creativity and expressiveness are responsible for both verbal skills as well as excelling in the fields you mention. Good verbal skills are probably the reason behind extensive record/history keeping. This would have potentially acted as a catalyst by helping accelerate information dissemination, enabling scientists and inventors to share information easily. So verbal skills were at best an indirect factor. High expressiveness is probably a result of wider range of emotions. Caucasians (White, west/south/central Asian) are more emotional than East Asians. Mongoloids have a level of coldness to them, from the perspective of a non-mongoloid non-European Caucasian.

        I made these connections as I was reading your and main poster’s post. So I could be wrong in certain conclusions, didn’t ponder over it much yet.

    • ixObserver

      Interesting observations and from what I can see your observations are actually consistent with some of the claims here about creativity although you cringe ;-), no offence. I think the conclusion that Europeans are more creative is simply borne out by where societies stand or stood and the number of inventions. Straightforward.

      Coming to your observation about verbal capabilities of Europeans or Caucasians for that matter( that inhabit central, west, south Asia outside Europe – they are verbally better than East Asians in my experience especially), better verbal abilities correlate with expressiveness which I think is a part of the creative realm of the brain. So Euros being creative and verbally talented is consistent.

      As a matter of fact artists who are creative also tend to be pretty expressive, a lot of times verbally. Incidentally good programmers tend to have these qualities as well.

    • I think you just made that nonsense up.

      I worked as a chemical engineer in the microelectronics industry, and knew quite a few East Asian lab partners in my undergrad years as well as in graduate school. They were not smarter. They were much less creative and could not quickly save a failed reaction. They also had much more focus. I genuinely liked working with the guys and gals from Matsushita Electronics, Mitsubishi Materials and especially Kojundo Chemical precisely because our inclinations and talents so nicely complemented each other’s. It was the happiest time of my old professional life.

      do not believe they are very flexible thinkers.

  • Currently working on a mathematical model to predict yields for a chemical reactor. Contract work of course since permanent positions are very scarce. Looking at $4K for 1 month’s work. Only got the work as I was more competent than hundreds of other specialists. Also pay a lot of taxes.

    Why get an advanced degree in the sciences when one can just skip college and get a job working as a firefighter or some other Gov’t position, which pays almost as much to start or perhaps a marketing job which pays much higher.

    This is the legacy of our H1B visa program which imports hundreds of thousands of foreign scientists and lowers scientific salaries to the level of unskilled workers. Of course kids don’t want to study the sciences: it takes a lot of work and you’ll be poor. All this “noise” about test scores is just a smoke screen: the Gov’t just wants people to think it cares about science scores.

  • Ella

    A person can still be highly creative at IQ range of 130 to low 140’s, so you’re looking at a gifted range. In White educated communities, there may be 7-15% of students who test “gifted” but are not geniuses. They can still perform remarkably well in most sciences or math based fields. Creativity can also be clustered personality traits. I’m not too sure if there are any real differences between genius and gifted “shared” traits. I never studied this area.

  • Korean guy

    For some reason I do not have much to say in this thread

    Roughly 40% of the richest people around the world do not have a college degree and also in South Korea, roughly 40% of the richest in the country do not have a college degree.

    Steve Jobs
    Larry Ellison
    Bill Gates
    Michael Dell
    Thomas Edison
    David Karp
    Paul Allen

    none of the above has a college degree.

    And I would rather be a rich guy without a college degree than a guy with a college degree but so-so amounts of income. I asked young women in the past as well, and they all told me they would rather go for a guy who has a thick wallet but no college degree, than a guy with college degree

    • ixObserver

      Those are the women you shouldn’t be with unless you are looking for a Gold-digger.

    • Berkeley Guy

      Yes. Test scores and degrees are not good enough to know whether you will be successful or not. I feel that way about my over-priced education. It may be the case that many of those you listed have a high IQ. But I bet they must also have high emotional intelligence (EQ) in order to effectively manage their daily thought patterns for maximum efficiency. In the end, the real world tests that they placed themselves had the final say.

      I don’t doubt that many women feel this way. I believe there has been research that show that women prefer financially successful partners, and of course it makes intuitive sense to us.

    • Luca

      Sometimes I think having a college degree means you have a good memory. You read a book and are able to retain it long enough to take a test. I have had people working for me who had a Masters Degrees and simply could not think on their own and needed constant supervision and direction. They lacked common sense, logic and reasoning, They were useless when improvisation was needed.

      • IstvanIN

        It depends. I have had the same experience with employees who had bachelor and/or masters degrees who were as dumb as doorknobs. Their degrees were in the “Social Sciences”. A degree in mathematics, physics, engineering, chemistry, architecture, etc. is a whole different ball of wax.

    • IstvanIN

      One can become super rich by being in the right place at the right time (Bill Gates), clever (Steve Jobs) or quite bright (Thomas Edison). There also has to be a certain desire to be rich. Nikola Tesla was very bright but, apparently, not very avaricious.

    • I would rather know what I now know and still be 25. On the other hand, Sayaka wrote to me the whole time I was locked up, so of course I married her. She loved me and not money.

      Money means nothing compared to that.

      I would rather be exactly what I now am. with Sayaka than what I might have been.

  • Berkeley Guy

    We shall remedy this amongst those of us who are experiencing some of the negative traits that you list. What is happening is a temporary cultural blip which daily is being rectified by people being educated.

  • Berkeley Guy

    Solid post. People like you are why cultural programming is failing to work on us.

  • “They are called Koreans — who dominate organized crime, entertainment and sports”

    source?

    • Charles W.

      You won’t find many sources in the English language. But I can heartily assure you that what Skorzeny says is true.

      • Cantaloupe

        A pity. It would actually be interesting to gain some real data on “Korean” representation in the Yakuza. For what it’s worth, I’ve read that in proportion to the population and out of all ethnicities and races, Koreans commit the least crime in Japan. This is coming from their own national statistics.

        • Charles W.

          Hahaha!! According to who, Koreans? Again, I can heartily assure you that that is a joke. Maybe compared to other minorities in Japan like Africans or Iranians, but it’s well known in Japan that Koreans are hugely, disproportionately involved in organized crime there. Even in America, if you read the news with a keen eye, any time an ‘Asian-American’ is involved in a crime, more often than not it will be a Korean–not Chinese or Japanese. Keep an eye out for surnames like Kim, Chang, Lee, Park and you will see what I mean.

    • Cantaloupe

      Yes, I’d like to see that as well. I’ve heard of the involvement of the Zainichi in the Yakuza, but the extent has never been verified. It would be interesting to see the proportion of active Yakuza members being South Korean.

      • “South Korean” or simply Korean? Korea used to be one country anyway.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    I would rather live in harsh winter weather complete with the likes of giant short faced bears, cave lions and wolves for company the way ancient Europeans did than be a white man surrounded by hostile racial aliens. For whites that is a far more hostile environment.

    • Berkeley Guy

      Everyday here at Berkeley I am looked at with disdain by at least several Asians. No other group of people behave this way here. As a real life example of what you say, I have felt the daily pressure and internalized it and now am changing several aspects of myself in response.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Return their disdain with a look that can freeze the air in the room. Learn to be ice cold when the situation requires it, I have intimidated and frightened off potential troublemakers this way.

  • Anna Tree

    No I am not from a German but from a Francophone country originally 🙂

  • pcmustgo

    Again, not an example of an attractive asian. I’ve seen way better. And way uglier.

  • pcmustgo

    But don’t deny Asians are much more disciplined and perfectionist than American whites, on average, and that DOES play a role. Coming from a culture where they commit suicide over getting a B grade DOES play a role.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    That’s no more important, because gender is a social construct.

  • Magician

    “Organized crimes” are mostly associated with “Yakuza” which is the Japanese equivalent of the mafia.

    • Charles W.

      And the yakuza in Japan is primarily Korean, or rather “Japanese-Koreans”, aka zainichi.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    There is only one way white males are going to be saved from that fate, and that is through the help of other white men. Not white women, not darkies, and certainly not those who cannot be named here. I am a white male, and as I see it, the only ones who are going to change this are white males asserting themselves.

  • Charles W.

    I am pretty sure that I have more personal experience than you with yakuza, and I can tell you with full confidence that it is dominated by Koreans, particularly in Kansai. You cannot throw a rock there without hitting Korean bosozoku or chinpiras, and the bosses are no different.

  • Transpower

    Privatize the education system. With competition, more efficient schools will eventually dominate, and then test scores will rise. The base of the commie-Democrat party is the school teachers’ union. With privatization, this union will be eliminated.

  • Charles W.

    Not trying to argue personally, except to say that I have personal experience whereas I get the feeling that you are using something you read in a book (esp. talking about burakumin, which no one in Japan even talks about). It’s not that Koreans “were” highly represented in the Yakuza. They ARE highly represented. If you knew how Koreans are in general, and how zainichi are in particular, you would understand why this is true.

  • Cantaloupe

    PISA scores are nothing but numbers on paper. They don’t really prove that the sun is rising east. Innovations, inventions and technology not to mention living standards are what ultimately matters. Until the day third world immigrants rush to invade and colonize Asian countries, the sun remains in the west. All the excuses, bitter explanations and denials of the results don’t achieve anything. The Asians scored better than Europeans and North Americans in this one test but there are more important things to worry about.

  • Fak_Zakaix

    Do you know of?

    “Satoshi Kanazawa (born 16 November 1962) is a Reader in Management at the London School of Economics. His work uses evolutionary psychology to analyze social sciences such as sociology, economics, and anthropology.[1] Kanazawa has been very controversial, which he and other sympathetic scientists attribute to political correctness and censorship.[2] Some of his work is not considered by his critics as mainstream evolutionary psychology.[3]

    In response to ongoing controversy over views such as that African countries suffer chronic poverty and illness because their people have lower IQs and that black women are “objectively less attractive” than other races, he was dismissed from writing for Psychology Today, his current employer — the London School of Economics — has prohibited him from publishing in non-peer-reviewed outlets for 12 months,[4] and a group of 68 evolutionary psychologists issued an open letter titled “Kanazawa’s bad science does not represent evolutionary psychology”.[5] On the other hand, an international group of 23 scientists defended Kanazawa’s work with another open letter, published in the Times Higher Education [6″
    (fom Wikipedia)

    This partially contradicts and partially backs my puzzlement at your assertion that the IQ racialist studies are not more developed and mainstream because of PC.

    It contradicts my suspicion that the American IQ racialists are an updated version of the Nordicists of yore.

    However, the fact that Reader (associate professor) Satoshi Kanazawa was not dismissed in a form or another from the LSE, a left-wing university, proves that PC is nothing to fear.

    • JohnEngelman

      The fact that Satoshi Kanazawa was dismissed from writing for Psychology Today is disturbing to me, but not surprising.

  • Anna Tree

    This is a red herring, I said the website is a white racialist website, I didn’t say Mr. Taylor is a white nationalist.

    Please
    reread your previous post, you talked about a) preposterous black
    racialist sites, b) non necessary Asian racialists/sites (if no
    Chinese/Asian can see the link between achievements and race, then there
    are no Asian racialists!), c) not willed Jewish racialist sites (by the
    way, do you think the Jews are a different race? How can it be when
    some Jews are blacks and some Jews are Nordic?! Maybe a ethnicity but
    how can you rationalize they are a race? Do you mean there were Jews in
    the Middle East while our ancestors were), if there are options a) b)
    c), then there must be option d), a white racialist website. Tell me
    what white racialist website is there on the web in your opinion then?

    • JohnEngelman

      Jared Taylor and I agree that race is an important biological classification, that the races differ significantly on average ability levels and behavior, and that the differences are innate.

      We seem to differ slightly on the kind of country we want the United States to be.

      Some of those who post here appear to believe that American citizenship and even presence in the United States should be restricted to white Gentiles of European descent.

      I certainly do not believe that. I doubt Jared Taylor does either.

      • Anna Tree

        Well I didn’t made up my mind completely on the issue yet, still thinking. It will take me a while, this is a serious matter. It has to be realizable and humane but also in the interest of the white race, and this, sigh, is subjective of course. I think a bunch of white realists like Jared Taylor will have to come up with philosophical, social, political and ethical arguments and principles.

        What are the points you differ about?

        It seems I didn’t finish a sentence in my post above, I tried to edit it without success. So here what I meant:
        Maybe a ethnicity but what is the rationalization about Jews being a race? And if they are a race, are the Christian Syrian/Lebanonese, the other Levantine, another race too, or the same race?

        • JohnEngelman

          The Ashkenazim are a sub race within Caucasians. They have the highest average IQ of any racial group. They are descended from the Israelites, the Italians, and other European nations they have lived with.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            They may be “Caucasian” but they are not White.
            They are no more “white” than Arabs are.
            But answer me a question. If they are White indeed, when their IQ is compared to that of the White people, who are the White people?
            Caucasian non-Jews?
            But the means that “Whites” include dumb Arabs, Iranians, etc.
            Has anybody compared the IQ of Ashkenazim with that of the American WASPs?