What Use Is Islam?

https://disqus.com/home/account/ John R

What use is Islam? You got me.

OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

The only remotely decent Muslim countries are Bosnia, Albania, and Turkey. All three would be far better off if they were Christian. Though the three have low murder rates and have produced very few terrorists, a comparison of quality of life to neighboring Christian lands is staggering. Turkey has a 66% literacy rate, and was still committing vicious genocide against the Armenians in the recent past. Albania and Bosnia are wretchedly impoverished when compared to Greece or Croatia.
- Jon Robbins
  
  How come Christianity didn’t stop Germany from committing genocide?
  - Jon Robbins
    
    Hey, you two who are typing! You sure are taking a long time to answer a simple question!
  - Jerrybear
    
    The Nazi leadership wasn’t particularly Christian. They were Darwinists or Nordic pagan.
    - Jon Robbins
      
      The Turkish leadership under the Young Turks was oriented more to Turkish nationalism than Islam, a trend that culminated later under Ataturk. So does that excuse the Germans or the Turks or anyone else?
    - Jerrybear
      
      No. Who is excusing them?
    - Jon Robbins
      
      The point is that the Germans-weren’t-really-Christian argument can be applied to the Turks as well in regard to the charge of a “Muslim” genocide of the Armenians
    - Ace
      
      “Not Christian” covers a lot of territory. What motivates non-Christians is as varied as human psychopathy.
    - Randall Ward
      
      Not true. islam is not a religion, but is a ism like communism. It is a totaliarian system that controls everything, like what kind of water closet and light bulb one can use, opps, wrong country.
    - Dwight
      
      Which teachings of Christianity did they follow? It is strikingly simple to tell who is Christian and who isn’t. Crack open a Bible and start reading.
    - Anna Tree
      
      Christ never asked the Christians to kill Gypsies, communists or Jews so Hitler couldn’t use it as an excuse. On the contrary “prophet” mohamed ordered Muslims to kill or enslave non-Muslims and he himself killed, enslaved, raped many. And as he is the best man and THE model to follow for all mankind, all time and all places, you get even non-religious Muslim Turks genociding Christian Armenians: they didn’t genocide Muslim neighbors, they targeted the Armenians because they were Christians. Usually Muslims turn against each others only when there are not anymore or not many non-Muslims to kill first.
    - Jon Robbins
      
      Then why have the Turks targeted Kurds who are also Muslims?
    - Anna Tree
      
      I think: not many Christians left or/and different islamic cult and oil.
    - Jon Robbins
      
      What? Please retransmit. I don’t understand this response.
    - Jon Robbins
      
      What do you mean by “different Islamic cult?” Turks and Kurds are both overwhelmingly Sunni Muslims.
    - Bartek
      
      Perhaps the Germans felt they were loving their neighbor when they attempted to defend Europe from non-neighbor foreigners?
    - Sick of it
      
      Ahh, so that explains the Armenian Genocide. No wait…
    - saxonsun
      
      And those turds murdered 0ne million Greeks because they were Greek and Christian.
    - Daniel McGrath
      
      Excuse?
      
      Lol. Genocide is nothing special.
    - https://disqus.com/home/account/ John R
      
      Don’t even reply to that. The Nazi era comprised only twelve years of German history. Americans and Europeans and even Germans after the war severely condemned it. End of story. And most Germans were kept ignorant of the atrocities committed. So don’t even reply to that.
    - Lygeia
      
      Actually, many Nazis converted to Islam and Hitler met with the Mufti of Jerusalem, a Muslim leader, many times.
    - Randall Ward
      
      Yes but Hitler hated all religions. You can read Hitlers remarks after meeting with leaders of other states and religions. He couldn’t stand any of them. Unless you read the unpolitical history of Hitler, you have no idea of what he was really like.
    - David Ashton
      
      Hitler rarely gets a thorough and objective analysis despite the abundance of authentic information. Richard Weikart’s “Hitler’s Ethic” is a good first introduction to the way his mind worked, and developed, for students of all opinions.
    - Randall Ward
      
      Right David. The reason we should take a realistic look at Hitler is to better understand what is happening in the USG, today. Hitler was not a cartoon character, but was a real man like obama or FDR. The closest thing to Hitler in our country was FDR, and now obama; not in violence, but in the methods used by the president to activate the USG to break laws.
      I read Weikart’s book about darwinism and Hitler. As Weikart said; “Hitler had inbibed some really bad ideas”.
    - David Ashton
      
      The book I mentioned is a bit better. I would not condemn Darwin or Galton because of Hitler.
    - Randall Ward
      
      I will read it then. I stoped believing in neo darwinism a long time ago. The science is pointing in another direction and the best scientists knew thirty years ago that darwinism or anything close to it was a failed theory. Weikart does not believe in darwinism at all and sees it as it is; a religion that says man invented himself. The idea that man made himself has been around for more than two thousand years.
      Darwinism is proved to be false at the level of the cell. Did you know that DNA is used only to make protein folds, It has nothing to do with how a heart or eye or fingernail is made. Scientists have no idea where the information comes from to make body parts. That makes the probability of darwinism being correct, so improbable that it is off the chart.
    - David Ashton
      
      My personal problem is this: I find transformism from one species to another hard to believe, but Adam and Noah even harder. The case for some genetic improvement of humans remains: “Let us go unto perfection.”
    - adplatt126
      
      Not even close. In terms of temperament, ideology, racial views, foreign policy, I’d argue that Hitler had the most in common with Teddy Roosevelt or Andrew Jackson. Hitler was an ardent anti-communist, and simply would not have been particularly fond of the soft morals of either or a leftist ideology that resembled the ideology of either. Absurd. Jackson and TR both were also quasi-genocidal (consider the natives!), somewhat megalomaniacal, populists and orators. They were no-nonsense types, like Adolf. FDR was more of a compromiser, peddler and charismatic smooth-talker. Obama is much the same. Hitler was nothing of the sort. He was very frank about the perils and problems Germany faced and demanded every citizen contribute to its recovery, even with the many things he promised. He didn’t promise them as goodies in other words, like most leftist politicians do, as social comfort systems with no inherent cost. I have no doubt either that Teddy or Andrew would have been equally violent if the world’s largest Communist nation was amassing a tremendous military on our border… FDR? LOL.
    - Randall Ward
      
      Hegel, Marx, Lenin, what difference does it make? They all want the same thing; to replace God with the state. The state will finish history instead of God.
      Just think, we have come from Lincoln, who cared nothing for blacks to obama, who cares nothing for whites. That is what happens when men replace God (they think).
    - adplatt126
      
      Your first point is ridiculous. Your second point is inscrutable. In certain societies, they make god the state (Iran, Saudi Arabia), in others like communist ones, they make the state itself god in pursuit of an undesirable level of equality. What a man wishes to do with the state is highly relevant and distinguishes various types of statism. One moreover, has to, if one is to be fair, acknowledge the many types of religious statism that are not federal in nature. For example, certain historical religious societies, like puritan societies, which were hardly more friendly to individual freedom than present day Islamist states. Lastly, god doesn’t exist. Never has. All the crap supposedly written in his name was written by half-baked philosophers likely on hallucinogens or at the very least, driven by delusions of grandeur. Not that there is never any good in religion, only that it is perfectly unrelated to god. Every religious society prescribes something different, false, and typically immoral in the name of god. Believing in god is no guarantee of anything except delusion, and certainly does not yield a successful society. Look at Africa or the Middle East, both riddled with religion and superstition, and both wholly intolerable wastelands replete with poverty and human misery.
    - adplatt126
      
      Absurd. You’re better off looking at the USSR. The way the oligarchs rule is truly indistinguishable from the way the Russian government did.
    - anony
      
      He was interested in Middle Eastern oil.
    - stewball
      
      Well of course he did!
    - Daniel McGrath
      
      That’s a silly bit of sophistry. Yes renegade Nazis did to to Egypt. Some went over to Moscow. Some went to Brazil. Some went to NASA. Some stayed and rebuilt.
      
      The Neo-Nazis in Germany have fought Turkish migration. The only people to fight it
    - Garrett Brown
      
      Hitler was Catholic, he will always be Catholic.
    - David Ashton
      
      Not so. He was baptized as an RC, was a choirboy for a time, retained a lopsided admiration for Jesus as a half-Aryan rebel against Jewish financiers and modeled himself to some extent on that “young man” as he saw him, and he used Christian ideas early in his political campaigns, but he was essentially a rationalist of sorts, who eventually lost any belief in immortality and had no time for Christian ethics of compassion and universality. He failed to unite the Protestant churches and was derisive but tolerant of pagan mysticism. He reportedly said that after the war, he would deal with the RC priests as he had deal with the Jews. The patriotic efforts of Christian theologians like Karl Adam to bring Catholicism into line with National Socialism were rebuffed, and the RC church suffered intermittent indignities at the hands of Nazis, especially HJ thugs. All part of the great European Tragedy.
    - Garrett Brown
      
      Even up to the last Christmas before the Reich fell Hitler was seen celebrating in Catholic Churches with his family. In his regular church in Berlin there is still a wooden statue of him behind the main row of seating.
      
      Stop reading propaganda and research the people who actually knew him and what they had to say about him.
    - David Ashton
      
      What “family” was that?
      
      I have researched what people who knew him have said, favorable and unfavorable, or just honestly mixed. I am also well acquainted with both Nazi and anti-Nazi propaganda.
    - adplatt126
      
      I have no time for Christian pacifism, universal egalitarianism, and compassion (if it involves letting the whole third world into my nation, which according to many eminent American theologians, it does) either.
    - Randall Ward
      
      Who told you that once you are a Catholic you are always a Catholic? That sounds like a Baptist teaching, it is not Catholic. The Catholic Church teaches that once you are Catholic, you are always held responsible for the knowledge you have acquired; but that only makes the condemnation after death, even worse. “To those that have been given much, much is required.” But that doesn’t mean you remain a Catholic, if you fall away. You are just stuck with the punishment for being knowledgeable.
    - Garrett Brown
      
      No one, I just know Hitler was Catholic and died a Catholic.
    - David Ashton
      
      You “just know” it, and attack people who have actually studied the subject in detail! Hitler did not have a Catholic wedding to Eva Braun before he committed suicide which was a mortal sin for Catholics.
    - Garrett Brown
      
      Attack people? Lol. No wonder you’re spewing this non sense, you’re completely delusional.
    - David Ashton
      
      Criticize people, then. Like saying THEY are completely delusional spewers of nonsense!
      
      “The Catholic Church is built on a foundation of nonsense” – Adolf Hitler, March 31, 1942 &c &c….
      
      What were the names of his children who went with him regularly to church, even after leaving the wartime bunker during the Red Army siege of Berlin and the Allied bombing of its churches?
      
      Since statues of Hitler are illegal in Germany, why not send a photo of the wooden one still there to the Interior Ministry and/or make a fortune by sending it to “Der Spiegel”? Or ask the priest to post the original statue to David Irving for his uniqtue memorabilia collection, or to the British TV “Antiques Road Show” – worth at least, $25,000 at auction I should say.
    - Garrett Brown
      
      “We tolerate no one in our ranks who attacks the ideas of Christianity … in fact our movement is Christian.”.
      
      Adolf Hitler, 1928.
    - David Ashton
      
      That was said in the early period of recruitment when the NSDAP urged “positive Christianity”. The public and private development of Hitler’s thoughts on religion, including the Concordat, and indeed other matters, including the Jews, have been accurately documented and thoroughly analyzed by historians of different opinions. He had to carry Catholic and Protestant opinion with him so far as possible, as the euthanasia backtrack indicated.
    - Garrett Brown
      
      It doesn’t matter when it was said, the fact is he said it. He was Catholic.
    - David Ashton
      
      I was hoping you were going to tell me the names of his kids that accompanied to Midnight Mass at Christmas in 1945 some months after his dead body and his wife’s were burned.
      
      On a more serious note, get from your library or s/h book dealer just a copy of “A Requiem for Hitler” by the distinguished Protestant ecclesiastical historian Professor Klaus Scholder (Philadelphia: Trinity Press International, 1989), the last four chapters of which, especially, will explain and document the whole matter fairly and concisely.
      
      Hitler became even less of a Catholic than Luther or Henry VIII, though more anti-Jewish than the former and more popular than the latter.
    - Garrett Brown
      
      You’re upset that Hitler was a strong Christian but that doesn’t bother me.
    - David Ashton
      
      No proven facts of history upset me, but you do not seem bothered enough to examine them.
    - Garrett Brown
      
      I wouldn’t be able to provide you quotes if I didn’t examine them. What a horrible argument.
    - David Ashton
      
      The “quote” you have provided already exists in books I have already on my shelves, and could add a few in similar vein, such as Hitler’s remarks about Jesus in “Mein Kampf”. The fact is that although Hitler’s hostility to Judaism intensified, his original sympathy for Christianity declined during his political life. The books I have noted for you, and many more, will demonstrate this fact, with many further quotations and actions which you need to examine thoroughly – rather than entertain us with the assertion that Hitler took his (non-existent) family to Church in his final years.
  - OHDeutschePolkaConfederate
    
    The Holocaust was tragic. Centuries of usurious money lending, though, and every German bank except for one being Jewish owned and engaging in intense usury caused the German people to erupt in a massive campaign of revenge. Plenty of European Jews were not engaged in usury, but this did not mean that there was not a massive issue with this. This is Why Hungary joined the Axis powers, the Croatian Ustash supported the Nazis, and Hitler had initial massive support all through Slavic Europe, before he began his anti-Slavic campaign.
    - Jon Robbins
      
      OK–so why are you ready to provide a rationalization for one genocide but not the other? (By the way, I am not dismissing the argument in your post. Yes, there was a history behind those events. But the same is true of the Turkish-Armenian business as well.)
    - OHDeutschePolkaConfederate
      
      Because my ancestors were from Germany, and I listened to my elders, as a child, give the German side of the story. I know the background of how people felt. I do not have this kind of personal knowledge of the Turkish/Armenian conflict. Though I am American, Mein Herz is in Der Vaterland!!
    - Jon Robbins
      
      OK, but it’s “Mein Herz ist im Vaterland.”
    - OHDeutschePolkaConfederate
      
      Danke!! I actually know very little German. Part of the family came in the 1880’s, part in the 1850’s.
    - Anna Tree
      
      Because while Germans today can and are denouncing nazism, despite not being one ounce guilty of what happened, Muslims cannot because denouncing jihad (or child bride or slavery or polygamy etc) would be denouncing allah’s orders and “prophet” mohamed’s life. It would be blasphemy. For the same reasons muslim countries didn’t sign the Universal Human Right Declaration and made up their own, because they cannot outlaw many crimes, as allah allows them and mohamed himself did them.
    - Jon Robbins
      
      What people are or aren’t doing today has nothing to do with a comparison of two historical actions, Ms Tree–or is it Ms Baum?
    - Anna Tree
      
      1) What do you mean? Of course sometimes people do or don’t do things today related to things in the past.
      
      2) And about my name, it’s not Tree nor Baum.
      I started to use Anna Doe when I became an atheist and islamocritic in 2005. Doe was for anonymous but also to hint to a metamorphose: doe seemed like deux (two) in French. And when I became a race realist some two years ago, I changed to Anna Tree (like three with a French accent), a third stage in my growing out of incorrect opinions. I should maybe call myself Anna Tetrad already, since I changed my mind about the dogmas of gender theory as well (like homosexuality is innate, sex is a social construct, children don’t need a married mom and dad etc). But maybe I grew out of that fad.
    - Mark Caplan
      
      Wikipedia says the following Muslim countries voted in favor of the U.N.’s Declaration of Human Rights: Afghanistan, Egypt, France, Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Pakistan, Syria, Turkey, and the U.K. But Anna Tree is right that those countries make a mockery of the Declaration even though they voted in favor of it.
    - Anna Tree
      
      You have to read between the lines and recognize doublespeak:
      
      Those countries signed the declaration in 1948, after decades of Western/White colonization and so Western/White education, when they weren’t following islam like today.
      
      Since then, some have come forward saying that the Declaration of Human Rights contradicts the sharia in many points and so all muslim countries have now signed their own 1990 Cairo Declaration for Human Rights in Islam — with sharia law as “the only source of reference”, quite withdrawing their former signatures of 1948, with claims that the UN Declaration of Human Rights is Western in orientation and not compatible with islam.
      
      I stand by what I wrote.
    - Jeff
      
      I did nit know that german banking was dominated by jews. I winder how many of those jews died in the Holocaust? I’m betting the answer hovers right around zero. I’ve never read anywhere that the reich nationalized the banking industry. Did that actually occur?
    - stewball
      
      Even if that were true does that excuse they murder of 6,000,000men, women, children and babies?
    - David Ashton
      
      Nothing can excuse mass-murder of innocent and harmless people whoever they are.
      
      The “six million” may be an exaggeration, like the “twenty million” killed by Stalin.
    - stewball
      
      It’s not an exaggeration. I think you know it
      
      How are you by the way?
    - David Ashton
      
      Hilberg said 5.1 million; Reitlinger 4 million; &c. Direct killing is one thing; death through starvation, disease, overwork and maltreatment another (hardly less defensible or horrible). I know that the logistics, technology, documentation and common-sense cannot justify the statement in e.g. the “Oxford Handbook of Holocaust Studies” that “three million were asphyxiated” in the time and circumstances usually described. Even Goldhagen can be cited on this point.
  - JohnEngelman
    
    Christianity was not responsible for the Holocaust. The Nazi movement was secular.
    - LHathaway
      
      Hitler was self-educated but one could label their regime ‘scientology’. They certainly felt they were at the leading edge of scientific advance on all fronts.
    - David Ashton
      
      Some Jews and some Christians have blamed the New Testament for the Holocaust. I may have put a list of references on AmRen, but I can’t be bothered to look it out again – it is quite long.
  - Chasmania
    
    Go do a little research and you’ll find that the Nazi leadership were a bunch of pagans who used Christianity as long as it served their needs.
    - Wing-nut.
      
      Yep, National Socialists were so deep into the occult it was beyond hilarity.
    - David Ashton
      
      This too is exaggerated. Goodrich-Clarke’s study is almost the only reliable one. Hitler attacked occultism, which had once interested him as a youth, like many others of all opinions in Europe of the 1920s. You even find “experts” telling us yet again that he put the swastika the wrong way round!
    - Wing-nut.
      
      Yes I recall him complaining about Himmler near the end and I’ve seen examples of their swastika in both directions.
      
      Generally speaking though, I do not believe it is exaggerated. More like subdued to me.
      
      I will have to look into the Goodrich-Clarke study someday. Sounds fascinating.
    - David Ashton
      
      The normal design of the Nazi swastika is right-armed like the benevolent form in Hinduism and Jainism. Hitler put in on a point, rather than flat like the usual both-direction form in Buddhism, to give it a rotary effect. It was certainly associated with northern peoples. In my view, subject to discussion, it began primordially as a copy of a star-formation, with the same shape, but rotating “corner-first” counter-clockwise, later it becoming a sun-symbol with the arms pointing the clockwise rotation. I shall not try to list the people who have made the “malevolent form” mistake.
  - E7 sharp 9
    
    With the plethora of rational, factual, alternative views of the treatment of Jews by the Third Reich readily available, I wonder why people aren’t embarrassed to uncritically embrace the Shoah Business party line in public forums?
  - stewball
    
    How come the R.C.’s burnt and tortured and expelled Jews in the 1400’same in the name of Jesus, a Jew.
    - David Ashton
      
      Have you the statistics of burnings?
      
      Why do YOU think Jews were expelled from one country after another?
    - stewball
      
      Of course I don’t have actual statistics. I don’t read like you do. I’m not an intellectual as you very well know.
      i don’t understand why Jews are hated and expelled from countries. Maybe the religion scares them. I do know that the world expects us to behave better than the rest of the world. There’s a double standard where
      we are concerned. I always expected more from religious Jews. Not the ultra orthodox just ordinary religious people but I’ve been disappointed.
      Many years ago i was on a shop in England and the man told me he’d been stationed in Palestine during the war. He told me where he was living and I told him that’s where the prostitutes hang out.
      He looked at me in shock. Jewish prostitutes!!!!!! See we’re expected to be better.
    - David Ashton
      
      Thank you for your reply & kind regards which are reciprocated.
    - Daniel McGrath
      
      He was pulling your leg mate. He probably tasted a few bordellos in the region.
    - stewball
      
      He wasn’t though. Women were busy fighting the brits to bother servicing the soldiers.
  - Daniel McGrath
    
    Hitler was a Social Darwinist. It’s tough to understand the Nazis if you don’t realize the roots they have in Galton, Darwin… The Germans decided to expell or kill their rivals for plum jobs and whatnot in the Pale.
    - David Ashton
      
      Adolf Hitler was a statist SD unlike e.g. Herbert Spencer who was a libertarian SD. Neither Darwin nor Galton advocated murder. Mainstream eugenics is about selective conception, to reduce suffering not to cause it. The liberal left have caused the deaths of far more babies, unborn or born, than the Nazis.
      
      Incidentally, there is a fair, documented analysis of Hitler’s by no means unintelligent views on evolution and religion, and many important quotations about the Roman Catholic Church and the future of the scientific world-view, in Rainer Bucher’s “Hitler’s Theology: A Study in Political Religion” (NY 2011), esp. ch.2.
  - Daniel McGrath
    
    They were murdered by the Soviets and Anglos.
  - Ace
    
    PS — Christians, like all other decent people in Germany, were no match for the NDSAP. Imagine your local Lutheran or Episcopalian here deciding to take on the Gestapo. Once a government gets to organize an efficient political police force and takes over the courts, what’s left to decent people but submission or suicidal resistance?
    
    The current pope has no antibodies in him to the Islamic threat and is no spokesman for freedom. U.S. protestant churches are actively cooperating with the federal government and its policy of replacing whites with third worlders. Plus, have you heard any of them support freedom of religion or oppose the introduction of Muslims into our country when it’s clear that they intend for Christians to be subjugated in their own country?
- Randall Ward
  
  Agree, except Turkey. Turkey has slaughtered millions of Christians and today has almost exterminated the Church in Turkey. Christians can’t even open libraries and schools closed since WWI.
- stewball
  
  Turkey is fast catching up with their Muslim neighbours.
  - David Ashton
    
    Well, we don’t want them in a “European” Union.
    - stewball
      
      God forbid.
    - David Ashton
      
      I wish he would.
    - stewball
      
      Don’t count on him.
- Bartek
  
  Better off if they were Christian?
  Really?
  While you are at it, would you like to tell me which “Western” Nation is still Christian?
  And are we talking traditional Christianity or hi-jacked, ‘social justice’, secular humanist Christianity?
Ace

It’s a trick question.
Reverend Bacon

Well, that’s what I thought until about 2 minutes ago. But I live in a horrible place where it’s impossible to get a CCW permit, unless you’ve been directly threatened with violence. So, why not make lemonade? I’ll launch a website, have pictures of Jesus peeing on Mohammed, and the death threats will come like ants at a picnic. Presto! Instant CCW permit. Thanks, Muzzies!
- https://disqus.com/home/account/ John R
  
  Damn! I am jealous I didn’t think of that.
White World Media

non whites are of no use to a white society their ideologies and religions are just their baggage.

AmericanCitizen

Islam knows its purpose: to destroy Western Civilization. A better question to ask might be: What use is Western Civilization if our current path is one of appeasement and cowardly refusal to face facts? There comes a point, like Ancient Rome came to and passed, where the traditional values and mores that built a great civilization become subject to open ridicule and debasement. Foreign invaders, whether they carry a sword or a suitcase, are here to stay and change the demographics of America and Europe forever.

I hate to say this, but under current conditions, backing Islam seems like the winning choice. In 75 years who will wield more influence – white Americans and Europeans, or the Islamic hordes that are already destroying European cities and reproducing in far greater numbers than whites.

newscomments70

If any reversal of this horror is to occur, it has to start here. We have to do it ourselves.
Ace

An excellent comment, esp. “What use is Western Civilization.” It turns out that the West has a fatal genetic weakness predisposing its people to surrender to inferior creeds and people.
- anony
  
  It is not Western people that have a weakness; it is elites who “control” the levers of power in the West who are engineering the demise of the West.
  - Ace
    
    That’s also true, alas. Soros funded the Fergudishu protests and the Tides Foundation funded some Sacred Journey by some ultra left group to “Palestine,” IIRC. The Tides Foundation also funds ultra left groups per Jim Simpson:
    
    “ACLU, ACORN, Center for American Progress, Center for Constitutional Rights (a communist front,) CAIR, Earth Justice, Institute for Policy Studies (KGB spy nest), National Lawyers Guild (oldest communist front in U.S.), People for the Ethical Treatment of Animals (PETA), and practically every other radical group there is. ACORN’s Wade Rathke runs a Tides subsidiary, the Tides Center.”
    
    That only scratches the surface. On any one day Trevor
    Loudon exposes more than I do in 10 years. And Terresa Monroe-Hamilton back in September had the story on how our political elites live high on the hog compared to us schlubs, including a run down of the fabulously wealthy people who are in Congress.
    
    That said I still think there is an intellectual weakness or
    blindness on the part of Westerners themselves. Europeans have been astonishingly stingy with their electoral support of nationalist/salvationist parties. God bless the PEGIDA heroes but one can’t fail to notice that large numbers of counter demonstrators turned out as well.
    
    Just those two facts are damning as to Westerners’ political
    consciousness. One good day on the internet is enough to make anyone open their eyes if, for example, all they’ve ever been exposed to in the legacy media is stories about how wonderful mass immigration and denial of free speech are.
    
    * * * * * * * * *
    
    Jim Simpson — gulagbound dock com slash 41102slash
    barack-obama-and-the-strategy-of-manufactured-crisis-9-28-2008 slash
    
    Terresa Monroe-Hamilton — noisyroom dock net slash blog slash 2013 slash 09 slash 29 slash political-elitists-living-the-high-life-while-americans-suffer slash
    - anony
      
      “That said I still think there is an intellectual weakness or
      blindness on the part of Westerners themselves. ”
      
      When the megaphone and the stage are owned and controlled by the opposition, one has little chance of having one’s voice heard.
      
      In addition, when one is living comfortably and knows that the comfort can be summarily removed for the simple infraction of saying the wrong thing, one’s strong tendency is to keep ones mouth shut.
      
      Once again, as I see it, all the levers of power are owned and controlled by the opposition.
David Ashton

Well, we cannot just stand there on the wall. We have to fight.
- AmericanCitizen
  
  Hard to do when your own government isn’t interested in having a wall to defend.
  - David Ashton
    
    Mainly a metaphorical reference on my part to Spengler, Kipling and William Morris – also Horatio’s Bridge.

NoMosqueHere

An outstanding presentation by the great Jared Taylor. I only wish JT would run for president and present his views to a mass audience.

WR_the_realist

There’s no point in Jared Taylor running for president. We’d vote for him, but we’re 0.001% of the U.S. population. All the U.S. media from MSNBC to Fox News would unite as one in vilifying him. It would make the mass media’s treatment of Ron Paul look like a lovefest.
- Sparky
  
  Yes but Jared’s views would reach a massive audience. Millions more whites would begin to awaken. I remember Lawrence Auster saying that his awakening began when he watched some man named Jared Taylor on the Phil Donahue show. He marveled at someone actually speaking on behalf of white interests.
  - http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity
    
    Both WR and Sparky are right. We’re nowhere near being able to acquire and hold serious political power at this moment, even if our political system didn’t tie a lead anchor around our ankles. We need to acquire cultural power before we can get political power.
    - LHathaway
      
      I’m not so sure. Whites over the age of 40 or so are awakened. Lots of younger whites, too. Leftists, surely must be thinking (work with me here) to themselves, on some level, ‘it’s a good thing I hold sensitive views, because all this kindness will one day be turned towards white men’. This, I suppose, is intended to make up for their silence and cowardice. Leftists are insane, in other words. There is nothing leftist can do at this point, there is no finger of ‘tolerance’ they can lift that will not destroy white men. No, there is nothing that can be done to help white men.
    - David Ashton
      
      Battle on all fronts wherever possible. Learn from the CPSUA tactics.
  - newscomments70
    
    If he ran as a Republican, it would be beneficial to have him participate in Republican debates, even though he would probably lose. The exposure would be priceless. If he ran as a third party candidate, he might sway enough voters to make the Republican candidate lose, for those of you who want Republicans to lose. That would force Republican candidates to recognize white interests. Bringing Jared Taylor back to prime time is an excellent idea. Even bad publicity is good publicity.
    - David Ashton
      
      Worth a try. Lose the first battle, but win the war in the end.
- ricpic
  
  If one, just one multi-millionaire or billionaire backed Taylor with enough money to get videos like this one out on millions of TV screens, Taylor’s message would cut through the drivel spewed against him. Why there is never ever a single deep pockets supporter of the genuine article is beyond me.
  - David Ashton
    
    Money sadly is needed, especially in a “multi-party [sic] democracy [sic]. But nothing ventured, nothing gained. Our enemies anticipate the “racial rebellion” with apprehension, which explains the legislation, education and surveillance being put in place.

http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

Along these lines: Something occurred to me a few days ago.

Ask the typical American right-libertarian who his favorite President is. Usually they will answer Thomas Jefferson.

Who is the American President who really started into high gear the development of a Navy in order to thump mercilessly Muslim pirates who were terrorizing American shipping interests in and near the Mediterranean? And this President did so after his two immediate predecessors wanted to nuance the issue and sorta compromise with the Muslims. Thomas Jefferson.

NoMosqueHere

Jefferson was the most brilliant of all american presidents. And he understood the threat muslims present to the civilized world.

Third world immigration in general and muslim immigration in particular must be banned.
- OHDeutschePolkaConfederate
  
  The only thing worse than Muslim immigration is Black African immigration, and both are a menace. HIV rates are much higher in non-Islamic Africa than Islamic Africa, but Islam encourages their hatred of Whites by giving them a guidebook and ideology of hatred. Negro+Islam is the worst possible combination on earth.
  - SentryattheGate
    
    And Muslims will also stir up hatred amongst Latinos, who already hate “gringos”. Muslims will use blacks and Latinos as their useful idiots against whites until Muslims get enough power, then they’ll starve out(one way or another) the “inferior” blacks and browns (whom they look down on anyway).
- Ace
  
  And reversed completely.
- Harry
  
  Unfortunately, Thomas Jefferson could not possibly be elected President of the United States today, because he was an avowed freethinker who said “Question with boldness, even the existence of God…”
  
  Most of America goes to church. If Thomas Jefferson tried running for President today, he would be hated and despised for being an unchurched freethinker, especially in the Red States!
Bryce Armstrong

Mine is Andrew Jackson who crushed “Jihadist” more thoroughly then any advisory in American History.
- anony
  
  I like Jackson for the reason that he understood the consummate evil of central banking and who controlled it. He was able to stop the establishment of a central bank (federal reserve) in America for a time.
  - Bryce Armstrong
    
    Don’t forget he also paid back all national debt, the last this ever happened.
    - anony
      
      Exactly and that’s why the banisters tried to assassinate him. If the government owes no money, the bankers get no interest!
      
      To understand the real evil we face, people need to understand the money scheme, and central banking (the fed) is the core of the problem. Andrew Jackson understood this.
    - Bryce Armstrong
      
      He did everything the Tea Party types pretend to be in favor of and his personal life suffered greatly for it, yet people like Glenn Beck still tarnish his name.
    - anony
      
      Glenn Beck is a shill for the establishment.
  - David Ashton
    
    The British were the first and are now among the worst victims of the banking rackets.
    - anony
      
      I find the quote from Disraeli’s CONINGSBY to be insightful,
      
      “So you see, my dear Coningsby, that the world is governed by very different personages from what is imagined by those who are not behind the scenes.”
    - David Ashton
      
      Recommended to all opinions here: “All is Race: Benjamin Disraeli on Race, Nation and Empire”, by Simone Borgstede (2012).
    - adplatt126
      
      True. Such parasites spring up everywhere there is military and political power, so as to rig the game in their favor domestically while producing a feudal state, and exploit the world’s riches by sacrificing the native blood of the citizenry in unjust campaigns globally.
TheMaskedUnit

I believe our worst presidents are the ones that are greatest in the history books. Think about how great Obama will be revered. Our most vilified were probably really just “O.K.”.
The greatest men of all time are probably the guys you know nothing about …
- Ace
  
  Coolidge.
  - TheMaskedUnit
    
    Who?
    - Ace
      
      Calvin.
- Chasmania
  
  George Mason.
- Usually Much Calmer
  
  It’s a Wonderful Life.
- adplatt126
  
  The idiots who got us into unnecessary wars of aggression are loved. Those who kept us out of them are forgotten.
Jon Robbins

How many Muslim slaves from West Africa were dragged out of Africa to the US on slave ships?
- OHDeutschePolkaConfederate
  
  Negro slaves were extremely lucky to have been brought to the American South. Here, as long as they were willing to put decent effort into doing basic farm labor, they were fed and clothed well. They were also expected to keep to their own in their leisure time, and refrain from sexually harassing and violating White women. Their failure to respect boundaries basically gave birth to the Klan. Thank God for the late Nathan Bedford Forrest. If only he were alive today. Most of the Muslim world would have seen the same fate as Hiroshima/Nagasaki.
  - TheMaskedUnit
    
    If only Detroit, London and Paris could have faced the same fate as Hiroshima/Nagasaki … Who really won WWII?
    - Ace
      
      That would have proved nothing. Whatever do you mean.
      
      The Soviet Union did though their economic ideas doomed them to failure internally. The communist infiltration of the U.S. government was as McCarthy described it. Only worse. Had the Sovs held out another 30 years, who knows what kind of wreckage they could have witnessed in the West.
    - TheMaskedUnit
      
      All Japan had to do was recover from nuclear holocaust. Detroit, London and Paris were blessed with diversity. Sweden and Seattle seemed to live with socialism just fine. Russia is still there and filling the gap that NASA used to handle for the crumbling USA.
      
      Nobody survives diversity as the Swedes are learning currently.
    - Ace
      
      >> Nobody survives diversity as the Swedes are learning currently. <<
      
      "Learning" is stretching it by a whole lot. The Swedes are incapable of learning, so long as it someone else's daughter who gets raped or beaten.
    - David Ashton
      
      Some of the People who put the Soviets up were also some of the People who pulled the Soviets down, but let’s leave that alone for now.
    - Daniel McGrath
      
      Patriot Russians were looking at Negrogeddon in Detriot and realized Equality meant they could be next.
    - Ace
      
      Ironic that they did their best to bring about Negrogeddon and then got to live with the results down the road a la Victoria Nudeland and BHO.
      
      Well, it will all sort itself out in due course. Not according to any plans devised by your Savior Geniuses but according to the iron laws of Nature or Nature’s God. The equality scam can only go for so long until the more vigorous and intelligent types get entrenched. A bit of unpleasantness after that then back into the groove of time immemorial.
    - Americaandthewestshouldbewhite
      
      The JEws.
- Daniel McGrath
  
  Only 500,000 blacks were shipped to the US. That’s around the black population of St. Louis and County. So not so many. Today there are 45,000,000 blacks in the US. Didn’t they do well eh?
David Ashton

JT = TJ.

Bryce Armstrong

Moosloms are so much like us, and by “us” I mean African Americans.

Samuel Hathaway

Essentially there are only two views of salvation.

One, is idolatry, cultism, the way of works, the way of man. Islam fits this view.

The other view is because death is universal and all humans are subject to it thereof, life is the only solution. Jesus is the Life and way of salvation. Not religion, not a church and certainly not Islam. Therefore, Islam is useless.

italian guy

I must add something: the whole situation with Islam show the anti-white face of many movements, from liberalism to feminism. It should be their primary goal to fight Muslims and their ideology, yet they cuddle and justify them! why? because as AmericanCitizen said they want to destroy Western Civilization.

Ace

The feminists are the worst hypocrites (or dissemblers). Muslims mistreat women horribly but feminists fret about micro invalidations in the West.

Leftists spasm about not being controlled by greedy capitalists but do everything in their power to increase the power of the state and its organs, such as the Dept. of Homeland Security. It’s a skip and a jump from that to the Dept. of Fatherland Security.

It’s as you say. Their supposed main agenda items are a sham. Job # 1 is the destruction of their own people. They think they’ll come out on top after any collapse or takeover but they are in for a surprise.
- David Ashton
  
  The otherwise bizarre de facto Marxist-Muslim alliance is partly fueled by the Palestinians looking like colonial underdogs, but mainly by a common enemy – the hitherto successful white western nations.

superlloyd

The left are completely deluded if they think Islam will tolerate them if they achieve their goal of conquering the world and establishing a global caliphate. Gays, secularists and commies will be executed and the feminazis placed under the burqha. The left is so damn naive believing they can ride the Islamic tiger and control it.

Ace

Yes.

Alex Dihes

I share with you my studying the Quran. I started that over 30 years ago when the book was translated into English and Russian as is and it was only one. I mean that when last week I searched the Internet I found too many translations and ALL of them were doctored politically. So what is removed, edited.
Islam is the only one religion which does not teach, suggest, asks and so on. Quran ORDERS! If you do not follow to the letter you are an apostate and have to die.
Here are some commands.
1. All Christians and Jews are apostates and you must kill them. If for any reason you cannot do it right away let them live beside you until a proper moment comes. Meantime they must pay a high tax (zakat), ware a distinguished clothes, walk on the road shoulder, and their words are not accepted by court.
2. To lie any time anywhere for whatever reason to infidels, their authorities and laws is honorable act.
==========
On 9/11 I served in the DHS in Detroit. In a couple of days after we got the inner information. The news-media people went door-to-door in Dearborn (predominantly and the largest arab community in the USA) . Avery adult muslim blamed the act. ? However, some reporters talk to their kids separately. All (ALL!!!) kids said that their families celebrated 9/11. That never got on TV and in papers.

Alex Dihes

Sorry, in my previous comment I mistakenly named the tax on infidels “zakat — it is “jizya

David Ashton

Zakat is the charity. There are some admirable things inside the package, but the package is one thing and dangerous.

pcmustgo

Check this out! Too funny! AIr France buys and hands out free Charlie Hebdo cartoons, displays in French airport lounges. Upsets Muslims… ! http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/france/11349565/Air-France-hands-out-free-Charlie-Hebdo-issue.html

David Ashton

Insulting Islam with truly filthy cartoons is no answer to Islam.

Flaxen-headed Strumpet

Diversity is our strength, and don’t you forget it Mr. Taylor.

LACountyRedneck

The West needs to keep their military out of the middle-east and keep Muslims out of the West.
Let those in the Middle-east fight their own battles.