Dominique Venner Dies for Europe

Jean-Yves Le Gallou & Michel Geoffroy, Polemia.com, May 23, 2013

Dominique Venner, born in 1935, was a conservative French historian, best known for such works as Le Siècle de 1914 (The Century of 1914) and Histoire et Tradition des Européens (History and Tradition of the Europeans). On May 21, he shot himself on the altar of Notre Dame Cathedral in Paris, an act of protest to wake a dying people.

Venner was known for his opposition to homosexual marriage, but his perspective was much broader. As he wrote in his suicide note, “In the evening of my life, facing immense dangers to my French and European homeland, I feel the duty to act,” adding, “I give myself over to death to awaken slumbering consciences.”

Venner’s death shocked France, and the conventional media are already trying to tarnish his reputation (see the miserable hash the New Yorker made of his suicide). It is only from himself and from his friends that we can know the truth. The following two essays, translated by AR staff, are from a remarkable French site, Polemia.com.

Dominique Venner

Dominique Venner

The Return of History

By Michel Geoffroy

“History is the realm of the unexpected,” Dominique Venner liked to say, and he has proven this with his suicide. It was a remarkable and violent act in a cathedral—and not just any cathedral. It was an act that demands privacy and respect for him and his family. But also reflection.

There are suicides every day for all sorts of reasons, many of them sordid. Studies show that suicide is increasing, especially among young Occidentals, which might lead us to wonder about the excellence of our State. The media loves spectacular suicides, so long as they are in the name of a “good cause:” peace in Viet Nam, the independence of Tibet, or human rights in Syria. The media also praise the “end of life” for old Europeans to ease the burden on Social Security.

However, we know that Dominique Venner’s suicide had a completely different meaning.

First, it was an aristocratic suicide in protest against a decadent world, against a civilization that has abandoned itself, against the destruction of an identity.

Dominique Venner has tragically reintroduced suicide into politics. It is a death that the System uses every means to cover up because it leaves a blot on the artificial paradise the System is building for us. But above all, this death forces us all to reflect on our own lives, and that is what the System hates the most.

It would have us believe that nothing is worth one’s life. It teaches this slave morality every day to our children, its future supply of docile humanity. It’s better to be consumers than to be dead! The System also hides from us that it is only we domesticated Occidentals—not the rest of humanity—that believe this cynical ideology.

Dominique Venner’s suicide shows us that some things are more important than our individual lives, no matter how brilliant and well lived. This is a lesson the French had forgotten.

We learn from the message Dominique Venner left behind that he wanted his death to be a beginning and not just a sad ending.

He did not die like a spoiled, frustrated child. His act did not reveal a joyless, decrepit life. It was not an act of hopelessness but of revolt.

Revolt against what we see at every turn: a growing chasm between the real France and French laws; oligarchies of wealth, media, and politics that have reached a level unequaled in modern times; the collapse of political parties; the popular reaction against homosexual marriage; the revolt of intellectuals against the politically correct; spontaneous reactions among some of our citizens against crime. The System, despite its media and its riot police, is crumbling.

Dominique Venner’s act shows to any who may not yet realize it that the struggle against the System—its acts and its presences—is a struggle unto death. Because the System wants our death. Because it sees people not as ends but as obstacles. It seeks to destroy every identity, every culture in order to reduce humanity to its least common denominator. It despises “the French exception,” which it may some day eradicate completely. As the law on homosexual marriage tells us, nothing is sacred in its eyes. Everything must disappear into that great void of the world market.

Dominique Venner showed by his death that neutrality is no longer possible in this struggle to the death.

On May 21, a page of our history was turned. The oligarchy is right: It must try to smear the act and the man because it can feel the foundations trembling beneath its feet.

In an act of courage, reflection, and conviction, Dominique Venner has chosen to die so that our people may awake and retake their destiny into their own hands.

Honor a hero! Honor a martyr! May we be worthy of his sacrifice.

Michel Geoffroy is a frequent contributor to Polemia.com

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Dominique Venner: Why Did he Choose Notre Dame?

By Jean-Yves Le Gallou

Dominique Venner’s choice of Notre Dame was a surprise. It surprised his Catholic friends that he should seek voluntary death in a consecrated place. And it surprised those friends who knew, and sometimes shared, his pagan leanings. Let us try to understand this choice in light of his own words.

Dominique Venner’s act has an obvious political meaning: It rejects “the great replacement of peoples,” which is even more serious than “the execrable Taubira law [allowing homosexual marriage].” But French sovereignty has abandoned its seats of sovereignty. The Louvre, once a palace, is now a museum. The Elysee Palace of the French President is only a place where decisions made elsewhere are carried out. The National Assembly is a shadow theater in the hands of pressure groups. It would have been ridiculous to die there.

Nor does one die in front of an embassy, or the headquarters of a minority pressure group.

In any case, for Dominique Venner, “whatever the merits of political action, that will not give to Europeans a vivid consciousness of who they are. This consciousness of a complete identity, including politics, is a matter of mysticism and faith.”

This is no doubt why Dominique Venner chose “a highly symbolic place, the Cathedral of Notre Dame de Paris, which I respect and admire, erected by the genius of my ancestors on land of cults older still, that speaks of our immemorial origins.” From the first century the Romans honored Jupiter, Mars, Venus and the horned Celtic god Cernunnos. For 850 years, Notre Dame has been the vessel of our national story. It is a historic place, even in the long history of France and Europe.

Abbot Guillaume de Tanoüarn [a traditional Catholic and professor of theology at the seminary of Saint-Vincent-de-Paul in Courtalain, France] has called attention to the symbolism of choosing self sacrifice on an altar dedicated to the Virgin Mary: It is the natural choice of a man who emphasized the opposition between the European tradition, which respects women, and that of Islam, which does not.

I do not know if that theory is correct, but Dominique Venner was certainly continuing his dialogue with Christianity when, as the abbot put it, he committed “warning suicide.”

This was a central question for Dominique Venner: For him, the Indians, the Arabs, the Chinese, and the Japanese all have religions based on identity, whereas the Europeans have a universal religion. This was an advantage when Europe was mistress of the world, but this advantage becomes a handicap when Europe is in retreat, suffering from plagues of repentance and guilt: “Other religions, even Islam . . . and Judaism, but also Hinduism, Shinto, and Confucianism are not merely religions in the Christian or lay sense of the world, that is to say a personal relationship with God; they are identities, laws, and communities.” In Dominique Venner’s view, that was what Christianity could not entirely provide because it has a universal vocation.

Whence the necessity for Europeans to rediscover their rich identitarian memory: “Because we do not have a religion of identity on which to anchor ourselves, we have a shared memory of our own since the time of Homer, the font of all the values upon which to reestablish our future renaissance.” Dominique Venner’s death was an act of faithfulness to the De Viris Illustribus [On Illustrious Men, a collection of short biographies by Jerome, the 4th century church father] of his youth, but it was also an appeal to return to the classics—to the word, the arts, the comportment. It was a call to waken a people, by a man who gave his life for his convictions. The death of Domnique Venner is not an end but a beginning.

Jean-Yves Le Gallou is one of the founders of Le Club de l’Horloge and is a former Front National deputy to the European Parliament. He is the editor of Polemia.com, and his latest book is La Tyrannie Médiatique (The Tyranny of the Media).

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  • Morris LeChat

    The system “…seeks to destroy every identity, every culture in order to reduce humanity to its least common denominator.”….. This all started with Alfred Kinsey’s book of FRAUDULENT research. A book who’s message was that the common denominator that we are all reduced to is isolated individuals in pursuit of nothing more than sexual indulgence. All distinctions are obliterated. Once one starts drawings distinctions between people, then that means there are things of greater value than the mindless and meaningless pursuit of sexual indulgence. Kinsey was a lair, his work was sheer fraud, but for those that believed it was true, it had devastating consequences. All of a sudden, nothing was important, not even the continuation of one’s people.

    • bigone4u

      Don’t forget Hefner, who described himself as Kinsey’s pamphleteer. Hefner took perversion and turned it into a glamourous lifestyle that promised unending pleasure, but delivered divorce and disease.

      • Homo_Occidentalis

        Don’t forget the international ethnic group that works in all white countries (and pretty much only in white countries) to legalize gay “marriage” (it’s so cute how they try to pretend they are normal people by having this sacred institution legitimize their degeneracy). Even the VP, Joe Bidumb, couldn’t keep his mouth shut: http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/biden-jewish-leaders-drove-gay-marriage-19229557#.UaKgEJye3IX

        • OlderWoman

          There is rampant homosexuality among ‘those people’ in Los Angeles. Their mothers dote on their sons who are ‘that way’.
          I had to laugh when I saw a hair salon named “My son, the hairdresser”.

          • Morris LeChat

            “those people”… the set designers or the hairdressers?

          • jambi19

            Both

        • ncpride

          Oh my. I know it’s too much to hope Biden was being clever, but if you think about it, what better way to expose them, by praising their actions and leadership to keep from being labled ‘anti-semitic’, at the same time making the public aware of who is behind these things?

        • BaronBaal

          Sooner or later people are going to have to acknowledge “the tribe” as the true enemy of Western civilisation. Until that day comes nothing will change.

        • Hirschibold
      • HJ11

        Exactly which “perversion” do you mean?

      • StillModerated

        The lifestyle also brought an increase in mental illness.

      • Romulus

        Also,larry flynt,bob guccionne,the marquie de sade, howard stern and all the other filth peddlers

      • Morris LeChat

        What is significant here is that gay marriage has become the flashpoint for a white racial awakening. Whites either consciously or unconsciously are aware of the fact that the promotion of homosexuality , pornography, feminism, and socialism are all part of a plan of demoralization and then destruction of the white peoples. Homosexuals are considered to be on the other side of white survival, and that is not going to change as it is a correct perception. JT may say that “this is not our issue” but I think he does not take a broad enough view of things. It is part of the whole process of destruction and it is being rejected by white racial realists in France and everywhere.

      • Alexandra1973

        I understand that the National Organization of Witches gives him a free pass.

    • OnGuard

      See Youtube’s Kinsey Syndrome series (of 11?), well-documented info. by Dr.Judith Reisman re. Kinsey’s prime role in the decadence of our society. His “research” paved the way for leniency of pedophilia laws, lowering the age of consent, explicit sex education starting with Kindergartners, based on the premise that even infants have sexual urges and that adults should be encouraged to “help” them act upon them! He even paid pedophiles to record their encounters!

      • OlderWoman

        He was rumored to be a pedophile. Kinsey’s ‘research’ caused our society to slide a bit more into the abyss of amorality.

    • So Dr. Alfred Kinsey is Ground Zero for social decay? I don’t buy it. Aside from the fact that his research was NOT fraudulent, and faced enormous obstacles in getting accurate answers (people back then were much more guarded about their sex lives), he performed a major service. Sexuality shouldn’t be shrouded in mystery.

      The ultimate enemy, now as then, are nonwhites who seek to conquer the white race by force or stealth. Everything else pales in importance.

      • gemjunior

        No way Seek. Why don’t you Seek out some very revealing and interesting research on Kinsey done by Dr. Lasha Darkmoon and published in the Occidental Observer. Dr. Kinsey paid pedophiles to sexually abuse small children and infants, and his antics were meticulously recorded in books and given to Kinsey. This was absolute TORTURE. Sexuality should be shrouded in a lot more mystery than it is — there should be plenty of mystery about what normal monogamous couples or weird sex fiends do in the privacy of their own home. What if we’re tired of hearing about every gay LGBTQ encounter ever experienced and related with attention to details. Enough. Personally I am fed up with the amount of sex sex sex constantly the major theme in movies and TV. It makes me want to bury my head in a Jane Austen novel because IMHO there’s far too much information and knowledge, speculation and banter about sex. It’s difficult to sit down at 9 pm with your 12 year old daughter and watch a movie or show without flinching. It’s rammed down our throats. Kinsey did us NO favors believe me…..

        • Morris LeChat

          throw away your TV. Just watch shows on netflix or DVDs. Nothing that is currently being produced is worth watching. There are TONS of old shows and movies though that are not only very entertaining but that also affirm the positive values. Commercials are another stealthy and insidious way of spreading the poisonous modern culture. If one avoids all the sites with commercials ., such as HULU and Crackle, and just sticks with Netflix, one can create an environment that is hermetically sealed against the poisonous modern culture.

          • gemjunior

            That would be great. I am going to look into the Netflix like you advise; it’s funny but I was at a barbecue today and was told the same thing.

          • Morris LeChat

            I also forgot to mention Amazon instant Video- no commercials there!

      • Morris LeChat

        His research was totally fraudulent. My guess is that you are gay. Gays have based ALL of their demands for “equality” based on Kinsey’s book and it’s erroneous assertion that people were born gay. Tons of research by others has failed to prove a biological basis for homosexuality but rather it has proved there is NO biological cause. Twin studies proved this conclusively as identical twins do no always end up with the same sexual orientation.. The whole gay rights agenda is based on a fallacy, that fallacy that homosexuality is a normal and healthy condition. it is not, those who live the “lifestyle” are not healthy people but rather they have very high rates of mental illness, substance abuse, suicide, and violence.They are extremely promiscuous and their relationships last a very short time. Monogamous relationships do not exist in the gay world. Those few couples that do stay together for several years are in fact just roommates who seek anonymous sexual encounters on their own.
        There are also therapies that have corrected homosexuality and made the men who were committed to change able to live happy heterosexual lives with families, especially if the therapy was started when the individuals were young. ONe especially successful therapy is called reparative therapy.

        • The__Bobster

          Kinsey, the man who went down to the local prison to determine the percentage of homos in our population. That’s where he got the 10% number that poofters use.

          Do you perchance believe that prisoners have a greater number of homosexual experiences than the general population?

          • Morris LeChat

            I dunno, what’s that joke about dropping the soap all about?

        • Romulus

          You are of course,correct. Hedonism has now become industry. Vice is celebrated as virtue. Let’s not forget our “pal” Dr. roc and his pill or Dr. Spock and his destructive parenting tome.

        • David Ashton

          There is much good sense in the informed contributions from you and others on this subject, especially on the gross and ultimately dehumanizing hedonism of modern society, notably its ubiquitous sex obsession. The main anti-social result, unintended or not, has been the destruction of the happy heterosexual family and the decent upbringing of healthy children. As with immigration, “capitalists” and “communists” have been effective allies in breaking down the structures and standards on which society, and especially reproductive white western society, has been built.

          The vectors converge most notably in the “gay” apotheosis, from the commercial Pink Pound to the leftist Queer Studies. I cannot speak for other countries but in Britain, which already has civil partnership arrangements that permit same-gender “weddings”, the “gay marriage” legislation directly impacts adversely on heterosexual matrimony in several decisive respects. My only important difference of opinion is that I think evidence is strong enough to hold that some homosexuals (a very small percentage of the population) are “born that way”, because of a prenatal hormone dosage combined in some cases with a genetic factor.Such people with this reproductive disability have to be allowed to find their own happiness in a private way.

          Long ago researchers like J. D. Unwin showed the harmful effects on society of hyper-sexual decadence. In Britain we now have the proposal that primary school children should not only be taught about homosexuality to loosen their “resistance” but exposed to pornography to harden their “resistance” simultaneously. The insanity of this is evident to anyone with a clear head, including non-religious observers like me.

          We have an Augean stable to clear out, and free speech has nothing to with porn control because porn is not speech. It is we opponents of sexual, national and racial destruction who are effectively denied free speech, even in the USA.

      • Lonnagan

        Yeah, he also masterbated babies you sick fk!

      • Wayne

        Sexuality varies according to races. Equatorial peoples follow a more promiscuous, early sex and often with as many females as possible, as Kinsey describes. HOWEVER, northern races could not do this because they needed to work together to survive Winter, and the mouthed they could feed were limited. Those practicing promiscuity would not long survive. Just look at Northern culture versus tropical. Observe dancing. Northern people learned to curb sexual drive for survival, to put off till later in order to survive. Kinsey was an egalitarian freak, so assumed we were all as equatorial people are.

      • me

        The majority of interviewees were the fourteen-hundred male subjects, who were prison inmates and sexual offenders whom Kinsey classified as ‘normal’. They were all incarcerated for sexual offenses against animals, men, women, and children. Why would Kinsey use these men as the barometer for his conclusions about sexuality? Was he being lazy, or was there a personal and biased agenda? Kinsey’s rationalization was that the only difference between these reprobates and average men was that the former got caught. His profiling of homosexuals, pedophiles, and other sexual deviants as ‘normal’ was the biggest lie in scientific history. Abraham Maslow, who was working with Kinsey in the beginning of the sexual research, quit in disgust when Kinsey started manipulating numbers to tie in with his ‘research’. Kinsey was a snake oil salesman, and by no means a scientist. Perhaps his motivation was personal, since he also engaged in sexual deviancy as part of his ‘scientific research’….

        • PlayitAgainSam

          Bet Kinsey was a rabid Babylonian Talmudist…

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=erVn9n_Vk_4

          • Morris LeChat

            Kinsey was from a Christian home. So, you are wrong about that. He was influenced by Freud and Reich. Neither Freud nor Reich were religious Jews, they had no interest at all in the Talmud, it is likely that they never read a line of it. But perhaps ground zero for the sickness of the modern world is really Freud. He planted the seed, Kinsey put “miracle grow” on it.

            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/06/portraits-of-masters-of-porn-the-systematic-promotion-of-recreational-sex-sexual-callousness-and-sexual-deviancy/

          • The__Bobster

            Secular jews are far worse than the orthodox ones. They have no belief system.

          • Freey’all

            That actually depends on the class of the orthodox. The higher economic bracket ones are just as bad as the seculars. The more middle-upper middle orthodox tend to be the nicest, although god is still privilege.

          • HamletsGhost

            More accurately, they’ve sublimated the open hatred of their orthodox ancestors for more modern packages for their hate. Bolshevism, feminism, “civil rights” radical race levelers are all modern facets of this long-simmering hostility to the West.

          • Romulus

            Likely true, but again,… What is the common denominator? You don’t have to look to hard.

          • David Ashton

            Freud was a complete medical fraud, but wrote some elegant and interesting essays. Some of the Cultural Marxists, of course, tried to mix Marx with Freud and/or Reich.

        • Romulus

          Guess what maslow,Skinner, S. Fraud, and Franz boas all have in common!

    • ModisaJewJusLikeyou

      Another Jew just like you…actually it all started with pharisaism,the religion your ancestors practiced which what today we call modern Judaism.

      • Morris LeChat

        Why do you think I am Jewish?

        • Q?Q

          The day you approved of razzorare’s banishment .u and the mod are butt twins.

          • Morris LeChat

            Yes, I did approve of it, I am not Jewish, and I think the person who’s comments always end up finding the jews at fault for everything sounds like a nut and does not do our cause any good at all. There is a place for you, it is called “Stormfront” where you can have endless debates about what white people are white enough and which ones aren’t white enough.

          • TelltheTruth

            Theres a place for you as well,where idiots can sit and twiddle their thumbs all day. Your Father is Satan.

          • Morris LeChat

            you are razzorare under a different name aren’t you?

          • TelltheTruth
          • HaHa

            YEh,theres also a place for fags and atheists and Talmudists to congregate as well…wasn’t aware jewish people considered themselves White.

          • Hemler

            Shut up dumbass.

          • Freey’all

            You have been accused by other, very astute and articulate posters of being either jewish or a hasbara troll. I just think you’re prone to bloviating.

            The french are not really protesting gay marriage on the sexual puritan grounds you invoke and partially fabricate, but out of the most basic common sense morality and correlating pragmatism: the socialist government is now going to charge the middle class mostly straight taxpayers for all costs associated with ‘gay’ lifestyle. Adoption has its own rules in France and it winds up being very costly particularly when gay men are involved in it or in trying to arrange for a surrogate. In the US trans people are demanding their often $12,000 or more ‘reassignment’ surgery, etc. be covered by insurance pools, while little kids fighting cancer can’t get the pills that their little bodies need to help them withstand the chemo. I suspect these issues and more are central to the protest movement (comments under articles have illuminated this to me).

            In general, the elitist absurdist left is foisting these ridiculous burdens on regular people of France, and the french aren’t just rolling over and taking it. I applaud them, but not for the anti-freedom fascist reasons you seem to want to ascribe to their stance. I also respect the right for gays to live in peace and tolerance here in my own country, but they need not charge anyone for it. Lesbians, BTW, aren’t costing anyone anything since all they need is a refrigerator and a sperm donor to procreate. Last, the leaders of the gay activist movement have sold their white brethren out to the elitists on the left and they deserve criticism from white people everywhere, when applicable.

          • Fact Check

            Nice cliché, but your ignorance and/or denial doesn’t change the facts about a certain disproportionate contribution to the subversion of Western culture:

            Karl Marx
            Sigmund Freud
            Edward Bernays
            Franz Boas
            The Frankfurt School
            Herbert Marcuse
            The New School for Social Research
            Allen Ginsberg
            Gloria Steinem
            Bob Dylan
            Hugh Hefner
            Jerry Springer
            Howard Stern
            Hollyweird, music industry, porn industry and on and on.

            Case in point:

            “Vice President Biden: Jewish leaders,
            pop culture drove gay marriage acceptance”:

            http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/vice-president-biden-jewish-leaders-pop-culture-drove-gay-marriage-acceptance-article-1.1351817

            I guess, he must be a “nut job” too…

          • razorrare

            Thanks for the support…its important to note that before being banned I had made close to 600 comments on Amren with maybe 5% of those comments directly related to the JQ.Posters like Morris was jubilant that I had been banned for “ranting & raving” about the jews.I am responding as a guest.

          • Morris LeChat

            I never even knew you were banned, why would I be jubilant? There are never any lists made of who is banned and who isn’t banned. You live in your head, in a world of paranoia and spite. I have also made posts that acknowledge that the civil rights movements, as well as much of the cultural poison of the 20th century seem to have a jewish origin. Apparently you do not read everything I post. On the one hand, there is the engleman, who I hotly disagree with, and on the other hand there are stormfronters, who I also find embarrassing in their paranoia and inferiority complex. I think you just need an enemy and someone to hate, and if someone disagrees with you then they become the enemy.

          • Freey’all

            Your description of those who you claim embarrass you pretty much fits the jews.

          • Dr. X

            …Norman Mailer, Jerry Rubin, Abbie Hoffman, Susan Sontag, Gene Simmons…

          • Morris LeChat

            Michael Savage, Judith Reismann, Ben Stein, Milton Freidman, Jon Stossel, Fred Astaire ( half Jew and founder and ultra conservative/patriotic personality of Hollywood). WE can play this game all day. The fact that you think this has any meaning at all makes you another NUT JOB

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EU5qEW-9MZk

          • Morris LeChat

            Tina Louise (Ginger Grant From Gilligan’s Island), Barry Bostwick ( Greg Brady on the Brady Bunch), Natalie Schafer (Mrs. Howell on Giliigan’s Island) — were these totally innocuous personalities part of a great conspiracy just because they were/are Jewish? Did they do more damage to this country than Ted Kennedy?

          • Reality Calling

            “were these totally innocuous personalities part of a great conspiracy just because they were/are Jewish?”

            No, they were innocuous. Don’t change the subject.

            However, the non-innocuous Abraham Foxman (ADL – Armenian genocide denier, open borders supporter), Michael Iger (formerly of ABC/Disney), Jeff Zucker (former NBC president and current CNN president), Hebrew immigrant aid society, etc. may be.

            Furthermore,

            Viacom is owned by Murray Rothstein (aka Sumner Redstone), which, in turn, owns CBS, Paramount Studios, Akklaim video games, Rotten Tomatoes.com, etc.

            NBC is owned by Brian Roberts.

            ABC is owned by Sydney Bass with Robert Iger as CEO.

            CNN is primarily owned by Aviv Nevo.

          • Reality Calling

            Jacob Lew — Treasury Secretary; Penny Pritzker — Commerce
            Secretary; Kenneth Feinberg — Pay Czar; Valerie Jarrett — Senior Advisor; David Axelrod — Special Advisor (MSNBC “Senior” Analyst)….and don’t forget former Obama lackey and current Chicago mayor Rahm Emmanuel.

            Also –>

            American Enterprise Institute and the Foreign Policy
            Initiative, both –CENSORED– neocon ‘think tanks.’

            Three –CENSORED– sit on the Supreme Court Bench: Elena Kagan, Stephen Breyer, and Ruth Bader Ginsburg (guess how they vote).

            Rachel Tiven is head of Immigration Equality.

          • Alexandra1973

            My question to you is, who put these Jews into these positions to begin with?

            Hint: It’s not other Jews.

          • Romulus

            The lists go on and on and I applaud the collective knowledge.

          • Morris LeChat

            I have made a list of the same names myself in other posts. I do not argue that there are JEws that are destructive. I due not argue that as a group, they have been instrumental in some of the most destructive “isms” of our time. I only argue that no matter how many lists of names you give me, it does not mean that all Jews are ideological brothers to those in that list. You want to slander a whole group of people with the crimes and sicknesses of a select group of people. That makes you a “nut”.

          • Freey’all

            All jews are ideological brothers, Morris, as Judaism calls for all jews to help one another against the other. They have a covenant with their god to treat one another a certain way so as to take, with a focus originally on land, from others. You are not a real jew if you do not side with jews against gentiles, period. It’s like if you believe Christ was just a martyr but not the actual divine son of god you aren’t a Christian.

            Your obsession with trying to rewrite the facts makes you a nut, frankly. That and trying to ‘reeducate’ gays.

          • Morris LeChat

            NO, all jews are not ideological brothers, you know nothing of what you speak. the fact that both Michael Savage and Abby Hoffman are both jews disproves your statement.

          • Reality Calling

            “the fact that both Michael Savage and Abby Hoffman are both jews disproves your statement.”

            “Obama Thumping Romney Among Jews: Poll

            GOP Candidate Trails 68%-to-25% as He Heads to Israel”

            http://forward.com/articles/160086/obama-thumping-romney-among-jews-poll/

            It does not.

          • Morris LeChat

            jews voted 90% for Clinton. They voted 70% for Obsamma, so perhaps they are changing. Massachusetts used to be a rock rib repubulican state in the 50’s, yet that same wasp/irish/italian ethnic mix is rock ribbed democrat, so what is your point.

          • Freey’all

            Judaism is their brotherhood, fool. And it’s ideology is privilege. A jew has to always take care of and side with other jews on any issue of jews vs. any other. Don’t be so taken in by their drama, it’s often some form of agitprop or at the least not wholly spontaneous. Hoffman disavowed judaism.

          • Morris LeChat

            well, you are wrong, just plain wrong, there are a million contradictions to your statement every day. Michael Savage is savage towards liberal jews. John Stossel also publicly speaks against the machinations of many jews. Plenty of jews denounce liberal jews. . Sorry dude, you are wrong. Those that are communists though…. they will always defend another communist, and that is whether they are jewish or irish or anything else.

          • Glickstein44

            How critical are Savage & Stossel on Israel? One needs to give credit where credit is due…unfortunately those good jews who are courageous enough to criticize jewish power & influence do not wield any significant political power while the truly evil ones do.

          • Morris LeChat

            OH, so you decided to take the mask off completely?

          • PopPop

            Answer his question Jew-Boy.

          • David Ashton

            Come on, some Jews don’t believe in any god.
            Especially since Emancipation Jews have had a general tendency to rebel against or critique the Gentile societies in which they reside, since they are uncomfortable within the “nationalities” of other people. However, I can think of writers of Jewish heritage who have attacked Marxism, Freudianism, Feminism, Zionism, Anti-Racism and Western Masochism.
            And Islam, but perhaps that doesn’t count.

            What race REALISTS don’t need is an “ultra-Nazi” response or a parody of it.

          • Morris LeChat

            Thank you.

          • Freey’all

            One more time: the Nazi party in historical fact did not scapegoat jews; they called for rebellion against gentile aristocracy and jewish bankers and elites. Invoking the Nazi scare is just a tired old tactic mostly popularized by zionists and other jewish and nonjewish elites.

          • ByanotherName

            You insinuate that posters here are slandering all jews with the crimes of a select group of people.I am very observant and have not witnessed no such thing…sorry,that makes you a “nut.”

          • Morris LeChat

            I am not insinuating anything, I am coming right out and saying it, yes, posters on here are slandering a whole group of people for the crimes of a select group. thank you for putting it more succinctly. that is exactly what they are doing. Those posts have been removed.

          • HamletsGhost

            Why does the bull lose the bullfight? Because he attacks the cape, not the man holding it.

          • Aminormal?

            Morris sounds like he might be related to Zionist fanatic Alan Dershowitz…i.e. “nut job.”

            http://www.davidduke.com/?p=39799

            In other words, anyone who questions Jewish Supremacist behaviour is “abnormal.”

            This tactic is typical of the Jewish
            Supremacists: rather than looking honestly at the reasons why so many
            gentiles of “every race, religion, and geographic area, political
            leaning, gender, and age” experience Jewish Supremacism so negatively,
            Jewish extremists like Dershowitz argue that there is no reason apart
            from gentiles just being mentally ill.

            This is a deliberate attempt to prevent
            rational and honest inquiry into the phenomenon. The real reason for
            antipathy towards Jews lies, of course in Jewish behavior towards
            gentiles—in other words, the “anti-Semitism” of which Dershowitz
            complains is caused not by “irrational and mad” gentiles, but rather is a
            reaction to Jewish extremist behavior.

            Most gentiles, of all races, start off
            by being completely neutral about Jews. There is no “latent irrational”
            anti-Semitism always lurking, as Dershowtiz and other Jewish
            Supremacists claim. Most gentiles are reasonable, rational people, who
            harbor no irrational prejudices.

            In fact the word “prejudice” is composed
            of two parts: “pre” and “judge” which means making a decision on a
            matter without ever having seen all the evidence on the topic. To
            “pre-judge” anything is indeed insane, and no normal person would ever
            do such a thing consciously.

            However, what does happen is that most
            people are “post-judiced”—in other words, they have taken a decision
            based on their experience, after they have seen the evidence for
            themselves or experienced it for themselves.

          • Romulus

            Thank you, my friend for obviating the players. Mr lechat is not wrong, he just needs to cast his net a bit wider.

          • Morris LeChat

            Was he banned? How would anyone but he himself know this? So you are he?

          • razorrare

            I have friends that post on Amren as well.

          • Morris LeChat

            I suspect you just have other identities

          • Juden

            Well, I am Jewish. Your half-assed point is?

    • Pan Europa

      That`s interesting. How is is work fraudulent?

      • Morris LeChat

        Here is a SMALL sample of the fraud:
        “Kinsey researchers admit he manipulated the data by including men from prison as part of the regular male population. Kinsey notes reveal that he found 13 to 14 hundred sex offenders and used them as the data of normal men. He also included many regular prisoners and 199 sexual psychopaths and presented all data as that of normal and average men. A full 55% of his study was from prison, and no comparison was done.”

        from
        http://www.restore-government-accountability.com/Kinsey-Fraud.html

        He also took data from black female prostitutes and presented that as data on the white female housewife. His whole work was nothing but an outright lie.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Combine this with a massive sociological misunderstanding of the implications of race differences and…big problem. When the breeding propensities (largely genetically determined) of blacks, for instance, were studied under the assumption that all people are the same, I can’t help but wonder what damage was done to our people… I think many Whites have slipped into a blase depravity because they endeavor to sink to the depths of heavy r-style breeding under the false assumption that such is natural – for us as well as them.

      The report card on results, however, is less than flattering.

  • 4saken

    I feel terrible for what his family must be going through…surely he could of thought of a better way to awake “slumbering consciences.” After all he was an intellectual an very efficient with the pen.Will his sacrificial death really have any meaningful effect in the war of evil ideology vs good ideology on this earth? I don’t know.But i do know this.This man is a Saint and is now in a better place enjoying life with those loved ones who have died before him.

    John 12:24 Truly, truly, I say to you, Except a corn of wheat fall into the ground
    and die, it stays alone: but if it die, it brings forth much fruit. 25He that loves his life shall lose it; and he that hates his life in this world shall keep it to life eternal.

    Luke 12:51 Do you think I came to bring peace on earth? No,I tell you,but division.

    John 15:13 Greater love has no man than this,that a man lay down his life for his friends.

    Mr.Venner…please say hello to all my friends and family that have passed on before me…in a wink of an eye your family will be joining you soon in paradise.

  • GM (Australia)

    So much blood has been shed for Europe. A few weeks ago both here in Australia and also our friends over in NZ had a day of remembrance (Anzac day) for the tens of thousands of young men from both nations who gave their lives in the Great War, a war to “End all Wars”. We also on this same day remember the tens of thousands who gave there lives in WW2 fighting the Nazi menace in the air, out at sea and on the land. America also lost tens if not hundreds of thousands of men in both of these conflicts. We look at Europe today, was the EU a grand plan for a new beginning for that continent, a time of new hope or has it just become an evil monster just destroying every sovereign nation in that great continent?

    I truly hope that M. Venner’s own sacrifice will not be in vain, I trust it will be the wake-up call for true Europeans and the rest of us in all Western Nations.

    My thoughts also are with his family and friends.

    • sbuffalonative

      In France a soldier is stabbed in the neck:

      French soldier stabbed while on patrol near Paris

      http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/25/us-france-stabbing-idUSBRE94O09420130525

      While in Britain, the police are going after Britons who make ‘threats’ against Muslims:

      Police deploy extra patrols to Islamic sites as people report verbal, physical and online abuse, including threats to kill

      http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2013/may/23/attacks-muslims-spike-woolwich-attack

      • GM (Australia)

        This post is all about a tribute to great man who would be admired and respected by many readers and persons who post on this site as a person who was “ahead of the curve” when it came to speaking out about what is happening to the white race. A person who in my opinion was in the same league as other great thinkers as diverse as Pat Buchanan, George Orwell and Enoch Powell.

        So in reply to sbuffalonative, all I can say is Yes, we live in an age of double-speak, treachery and where evil is dressed up as good.

        I don’t know the story of the French victim but my thoughts on the English soldier who was murdered are something like this; He must have often thought of and longed for his green and pleasant land while he was on duty in Afghanistan and would also have longed to be back on the streets of the London he loved. He was serving his country with distinction. He then comes home only to be brutally murdered by evil scum who should have never ever have been allowed in England, ever. Then all we see on our TV news is the BRITISH police arresting BRITISH citizens who are simply protesting about the evil scum who have come to their land. When will this absolute treachery stop.

        PS, I noticed that my original comment has been voted down, I realize it could have been written better, i do struggle with words at times, but I do not see anything to cause offense.

        • Morris LeChat

          the leftists governments have definitively declared themselves as the enemy of their native people’s. This will prove to be a HUGE mistake for them. There is BIG trouble coming .

          • It turns out that according to the genocide convention in International Humanitarian Law, the resettlement of non-ethnics onto territory already occupied is a crime against humanity. For instance, the displacement of ethnic Greeks in northern Cyprus and their replacement by Anatolian Turks is a violation.

            In short, yes, we get to hang the organizers of white dispossession.

          • Morris LeChat

            Hmmm, good picnic entertainment. I hope to see the rope dance performed in Washington, NYC, and LA Hollywood. Let’s not forget that the media has been a very active accomplice in this.

          • HamletsGhost

            Strangely, Israel’s settlement of the West Bank with Jewish settlers doesn’t seem to rate much mention in some quarters

  • KenelmDigby

    A brave and selfless act from an honorable and wise man.
    This act of supreme self-sacrifice must be taken as a symbolic turning point and rallying point. We must use this act of martyrdom in the way it was intended ie collectively we as Whites of European blood must stand back from the edge of the precipice and examine ourselves, ‘why have we allowed ourselves come to this sorry, pathetic pass?’
    If Venner’s self-sacrifice and martyrdom inspires this introspection in just a few Whites, then the surrender of his life and the shedding of his blood will have been worth it.
    – The obvious analogy is with the story of Christ.
    But then again we have the famous hari-kiri of the Japanese author in the 1960s, and the terrible sadness of Socrates being forced to drink hemlock by barbarians.

    • bigone4u

      Your thoughts are spot on, but I have one correction to make that helps you make your point. Socrates had the opportunity to flee Athens and live his life out in peace in another city. The guards had been bribed (which was the norm) and his opponents expected him to leave. His friends urged him to flee. He voluntarily and defiantly chose to drink the hemlock. BTW, his crime was “corrupting the youth of Athens.” What he did was to question the existence of the official gods of Athens, a crime not unlike questioning the gay agenda, immigration, and a host of other egalatarian ideas. Jason Richwine is a recent drinker of the symbolic hemlock.

      • Epiminondas

        No. Socrates, whatever his merits, was indeed a corrupter of morals. He really did lead youth astray. If I had lived in Athens at the time, I would have simply revoked his citizenship and banned him. The lefties of that era could have simply followed him. Why do I say this? Because Athens was in a very stressful war with Sparta at the time. While men were dying, the old fool Socrates was running around questioning the meaning of “truth” and whether life has meaning. Ticking off your peers while your country is in a death struggle is not a wise activity. Socrates may have been a great philosopher. But he seems to have lacked common sense. If Socrates were alive today, he’d be some drug fueled Berkeley intellectual making fun of Christianity.

        • Gwynn Ap Nudd

          Socrates whole life was Athens – he would never flee just to save his own life. The Paganism of his time was quite corrupt and the people deserved better. That became obvious over the next few centuries in both Greece and Rome. It was natural that Chrsitianity would take its place. Surely you must remember that Socrates himself had fought bravely in his youth for his City?

          • HJ11

            Socrates put an artificial concept such as loyalty to a city above the reality of nature and survival of his genotype.

            This is similar to some Whites today who say they will fight to the death for the United States. The United States is an artificial construct and it contains genotypes that are not White, so what they are really saying is that they will give up their lives and their future to protect Blacks; to protect crime filled cities where Whites are being slaughtered. This is pathetic.

            We must start understanding what is essential in us and what isn’t. What is essential is our genotype. Our nation is in us. It is not land. It is not a constitution. It is not the Star Wars Bar. We are our nation. It is one with our genotype no matter where on Earth we are born. The U.S. was once White and protecting it also protected our genotype. No more.

          • I agree. The above argument goes to the root of this entire conversation. Whether it’s the Jews, or TV, or Hefner, or anything else, in the end the real problem IS IN US. We are the ones that take hold of the filth and cling to it. Check yourself, your choice of music or other entertainments. Are they uplifting? Do they make you a smarter healthier person? MOST IMPORTANTLY WILL IT MAKE FUTURE GENERATIONS BETTER? Keep this as your motto – REASON, LOGIC, EUGENICS.

          • Morris LeChat

            This is easier to do when one is older, more mature. Youth though, are vulnerable to pop culture and need to be insulated from it. Groups that do insulate their youth from it are very successful The Amish double their numbers every 20 years. The orthodox jewish communities are thriving. The mormons also control the exposure of their children to pop culture and they are also doing well. Family is the source of personal power and strength needed to resist modernism. Those groups with the strong families do well. Strong families always have strong male headed households. The roles for the sexes are traditional.

        • Doug

          Epiminondas, with your pseudo name, you should know Classical Greek history better! Socrates fought for Athens several times (so far as we can tell), he was no hippy intellectual. And by the time of his trial, the Peloponnesian War was over, the Spartans had won and had installed the government that Socrates disobeyed. He may or may not have been a corrupter of morals but he certainly seemed to be a patriot.

          • Dr. X

            Yes — and that was his argument in the Apology, that he was a true patriot. The Athenian hoi polloi had acquiesced to a Spartan puppet government after the defeat (almost like Vichy) but Socrates refused to carry out its orders. After the puppet government was overthrown, Socrates was equally critical of the Democracy — which, after all, HAD lost the war.

        • Dr. X


          Well, well, well. I must weigh in on this one!
          Whether Socrates was a “corrupter of morals” or not and whether he would be a
          Berkeley professor mocking Christianity is an issue that has not been fully
          resolved in 2,500 years. Aristophanes certainly would have agreed with this
          view. Plato’s portrayal was the opposite, though, and I think it is more
          accurate. First, Socrates never really “mocked” anybody; he let them make fools
          out of themselves by trying to defend indefensible beliefs. Second, in his
          Apology, Socrates claims that it is the City, not he, who is corrupt. He
          refused to take part in the false (and politically-charged) arrest of Leon, and
          he refused to “go along with the crowd” when demagogues wrongly indicted the
          Ten Generals. Third, the typical Berkeley professor of today would not be a
          Socrates, but rather one of the Sophists, who Socrates continually did
          intellectual battle with. Socrates, like Venner, could have exiled himself from
          the City, but chose suicide to make a statement – to provoke the City as a
          “gadfly” to re-evaluate itself for its own good. I think the Socrates-Venner
          comparison is apt.

    • guest

      I know Venner’s martyrdom has inspired a few whites, including me. I would never have heard of the guy if he hadn’t done it this way. I’m sure few people outside of some narrow groups in France would have heard of him. Now he’s getting talked about here, and we’re reading his beautiful final note. He got an obit in the NY Times. It was disparaging, but it’s going to get at least a few more whites to google him and learn. He did the right thing. He didn’t have much time left and he did the best possible thing he could do.

      I fear that things are too far gone in Europe for a peaceful solution. Stockholm is now having riots, which is not surprising. What is surprising is that 15% of their population is non-Swedish, and the non-Swedes have a very high birth rate, and they are bringing in more and more family members. For Sweden, stopping ALL immigration NOW would still not stop the problem. America has intractable problems with blacks, who are only 12% or the population. The only solution for Sweden is forcible removal of all non-Swedes, even those born in Sweden. There’s no way that’s going to happen peacefully.

      • HJ11

        You’ve been “inspired,” to do what, exactly? What ACTION has his suicide caused you to take?

    • HJ11

      if one is to accept Plato’s The Crito as being a somewhat true account of the death of Socrates (rather than complete fiction), then Socrates could have escaped, but refused to do so because of his ethics that led him (in my view) to put an artificial sense of right and wrong above his own survival. Had he escaped, he could have lived to breed another day and our gene pool may have benefited from his genes.

      Along these lines, and perhaps you know this, it is estimated that about half of all White people alive today have Charlemagne in their family trees. He’s there not because he died young, but because he lived and had many children with many different women.

      • Brutus

        I thought that promiscuous sex as a positive good was part of the other side’s value system. Some things are worth dying for, even though one’s own death also prevents future procreation and can not usually be thought a good in itself.

        • Wayne

          It’s a part of the survival strategy that evolved among tropical peoples where there was plenty of food and no winter. Northern peoples evolved a culture of tamping down sex drive in a healthy way so we could form cohesive clans and survive winter.

          • HJ11

            Strategies sometimes need to change.

        • HJ11

          Procreation with our own kind is what is positive and we need a new morality that holds having the greatest number of our children as one of its highest standards. This is beyond left and right.

          Nature screams out to every type of organism, make more of your kind in the natural ways that have been engineered into your beings.

          • Wayne

            But culture has deep evolutionary elements as well. The way we think, our psyche has been as influenced by evolution as our bodies have. It was never enough for whites to just hatch crotch fruit. We had to see them through the winters, train them to hunt and build and make warm clothes. Our child mature more slowly because of the additional preparations they require. The problem now is that socialist programs encourage people to breed who should not in nature be able to. Stop the socialism and nature will reassertion herself. Right now society is run for the benefit of the dull,stupid, ugly, perverse, sick and lame.

          • HJ11

            We do not have to accept the way some believe society should be run. We can run our society the way we want,starting with each of us as individuals.

      • Dr. X

        Socrates DID breed. He had three offspring with Xanthippe. They visited him in prison while he was awaiting execution. Besides, he was 70 and Viagra had not yet been invented… so his breeding days were probably over.

        • HJ11

          Socrates did the right thing in breeding, and if his children and their children et al. continued on in this manner, his genes may now be within millions of Europeans. However, had he bred with more women than one, his genes would have had a better chance of spreading even more.

          Viagra isn’t needed in many healthy men 70 and older.

  • bigone4u

    Drudge featured a link to the news that violent anti-gay marriage demonstrations are planned for Paris today (the 26th). One can hope that these are carried out in memory of Mr. Venner and that they eventually lead to the overthrow of the French government and its replacement by a nationalist party. Mr. Venner’s sacrifice should be an inspiration for all of us who value decency and our heritage.

    On a similar note of inspiration, Putin of Russia is proving to be an implacable foe of Cultural Marxism. He has offered tax incentives to promote Russian families having more children. He has barred gay pride parades. He put “Pussy Riot” in prison where they belong. Putin stands for manliness and leadership, the opposite to the qualities of femininity and passiveness shown by American President Obama. Putin is imperfect and may eventually disappoint, but for now he is one of the few resisting the New World Order.

    May the selflessness of Mr. Venner comfort his family and may it inspire white persons the world over to tear away the yoke of slavery that our masters have placed upon us.

    • Tired

      This knee jerk opposition to gay marriage is not one based in logic nor is it based in the interests of our civilization. I am a gay white race realist and though it brings me sadness that Dominique Venner has died, and though I agree with many of his views, I staunchly disagree when it comes to gay marriage.

      • Sue

        Why marriage? The movement is known for trying to abolish religion completely (you may not feel this way). Homosexuality was considered a metal disease until 1973 when they were forced to change the definition of it without any scientific proof under pressure. If one definition is changed why not another? Pedophiles, beastiality, many partners etc. Please don’t say it won’t happen, history suggests otherwise.

        • Tired

          The destruction of religion is no goal of mine, however I am against religious fundamentalism. I myself am not Christian (though I am of Christian heritage) and I do not believe that a white nation should be Christian in government. However, I value certain Christian cultural contributions as a part of my European heritage and I believe that Christianity will always hold an important role in a white nation.

          They were not forced to change the definition. They get rid of things that were once considered mental disorders all of the time. As psychologists gained more information they altered and corrected their studies. Homosexuality is relatively rare but it isn’t a “mental disorder”.

          Do you honestly believe that allowing two consenting and monogamous gay whites to marry will lead to the social acceptance of bestiality and pedophilia? Can you please provide specific examples of this slippery slope scenario you have conjured?

          • Oh Oh

            Judaism & Islam are two specific examples that have accepted pedophilia socially while the Judaic Babylonian Talmud specifically states that bestiality is accepted as well…both religions are the true enemies of Christianity.

          • OnGuard

            Notice how bestiality was also okayed in the military, in the same recent edict that condoned open homosexuality. In times of more decadence, there is more homosexuality; I believe it is a perversion and should be kept “in the closet”. It is a slap in the face for them to demand “marriage”!

          • IstvanIN

            Bestiality was okayed in the military? Do you have a reference for this?

          • Jane

            When the section of the uniform code of military justice outlawing sodomy was struck so was the law against beastiality as it was part of the same article. All the article prohibiting both acts was struck, not amended. Indicating the true long term plan in my opinion.

          • IstvanIN

            I don’t think they okayed bestiality, they just didn’t address the issue.

          • The laws against bestiality had to be struck as a preemptive over human/negro pairings.

          • Morris LeChat

            good point

          • IstvanIN

            It is called unintended consequences. Of course there is a difference between two consenting adults and an adult and a child or animal who, by definition, can not give consent. But how do we tell a Muslim that he can not have multiple-wives once we have said two people of the same sex can marry? This is a very valid concern in our newly multi-cultural society. Try to look at the big picture.

          • Sue

            If you would be so kind, take a look at this, link at bottom:

            On April 9, 1974, results of the vote were announced. Only 10,555 of
            the 17,905 APA members had voted in the election. The results were as
            follows,

            Total APA members eligible to vote: 17,905

            Number of APA members that actually voted: 10,555

            Number of members that “Abstained”: 367

            Number of “ No” votes-votes to keep “homosexuality” in the DSM as a mental disorder: 3,810

            Number of “Yes” votes-votes to remove “homosexuality” from the DSM as a mental disorder: 5,854

            It should be noted that the number of “Yes” (5,854) made up only 32.7
            percent of the total membership of the APA. Only slightly less than
            one-third of the APA’s membership approved the change. It should be
            further noted that the “National Gay Task Force” was able to obtain APA
            members addresses and the “NGTF” (with-out identifying itself) and they
            sent creepy letters to all members urging them to vote to remove
            “homosexuality” from the DSM. Bruce Voeller, the head of the NGTF
            admits, “Our costly letter has perhaps made the difference.” (The Long
            Road to Freedom, ed. by Mark Thompsan1994, p. 105-106) Dishonesty and
            intimidation had won the day for the same-gender sex movement, and when
            activists publicly claim that this vote was a scientific decision; they
            hide three years of deceit and intimidation. In same-gender sex
            publications, however, activists are remarkably candid about the reality
            of the vote. For example, Kay Tobin Lahausen, co-author of The Gay
            Crusaders describes a variety of activism. “We did all sorts of
            protests…When the U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations came out of some
            meeting and got in his big black limousine, I remember going crazy,
            rocking and beating on the limousine…He had never been besieged by a
            bunch of homosexuals before. But he had said something that got us
            going.” (Making History: The Struggle for Gay and Lesbian Equal Rights,
            1945-1990: an Oral History by Eric Marcus p.216-217) (–Author Marcus has
            worked as an associate producer for “CBS This Morning” and “Good
            Morning America.”)

            http://conservativecolloquium.wordpress.com/2007/10/01/homosexual-activists-intimidate-american-psychiatric-association-into-removing-homosexuality-from-list-of-disorders/

          • bigone4u

            Soon, being a white nationalist or race realist will be declared a mental illness along with opposition to gay marriage: “social adjustment dysfunction” or some similar name will be the tag. Sue, thanks for pointing out that PC motivated the move to remove homosexuality from the list, not medical considerations.

          • Freey’all

            bgone4u there are no medical considerations in psychiatry, only hysteria. There is not enough mental illness to sustain any field for it; the number of people you know who got sick in their late teens or twenties from Hodgkins’ or some bizarre cancer or an anneurism is the same number who were born with some organic DNA-caused mental illness. Most of it is completely environmental if it’s even there at all as everyone to a shrink is ‘mentally ill.’ The brain is like every other organ in the human body it isn’t anymore prone to disease than your heart, lungs, liver etc. You are right though in that any pro-white is already consider mentally ill by the Re-educators.

          • Freey’all

            The White Girls’ Club in NJ was told they needed ‘therapy’ and ‘counseling’ after simply asserting their right to exist and define themselves. Your attempt to somehow champion the psychological and psychiatric establishments, which mainly exist to justify socioeconomic oppression – of white women and increasingly white men (witness the vast array of either ‘mentally ill’ or ‘domestic terrorist’ white vets) – is appalling on a pro-white site. Whenever an ‘uppity’ white woman needs ‘reeducating’ for rejecting diversity, the shrinks are called in.

            As for tired, I’m glad you recognize the imperative to defend your race and hope that you might also realize that strengthening the civil rights of gays, here in civil unions, is the way to go. Separation of church and state is intrinsic to our democracy.

          • Sue

            This was simply giving a little history into the vote to change the status of homosexuality for the gentleman above. What you wrote in the first paragraph I agree with. Psychiatry has done much to bring this country down. What you are appalled at, knock your socks off.
            Civil union is one thing, marriage is another. People have a problem with the in your face attitude. Many wish to abolish religion altogether making the position difficult to agree with. Religion like anything else then has a place in this world, no?

          • Freey’all

            I believe it does just that it should be separate from the state.

          • Sue

            I will agree with a bit of clarification. There is nothing wrong with a man believing in God and saying so even in politics as long as it isn’t a forced issue on people. What appears to be happening now is politicians are being attacked for saying they believe in something. That’s not right either.

          • Bill

            In a word, in response to your question, YES. I remember when perverts such as you just wanted to “come out of the closet and be left alone”. It started with that. NOW you want to force churches to marry you, you indoctrinate our children down to grade school, and you demand to be allowed to be boy scout leaders (gee, I wonder why homos would want to be authority figures in a target rich environment like that?) I don’t care if you are a race realist or a race traitor – your homosexuality trumps all other things. Given that, I don’t want you on MY side, nor do I wish you to be an example for my children. IF we are opposed to race mixing we should SURELY also be opposed to males humping males.

          • Wayne

            You fool! Your racial an ethnic tribe is in an existential battle for survival in their native lands and you and your sodomite ilk cannot keep your fetishes under wraps long enough to help. Can you not put your urges on the back burner until at least long enough to try and save your own people? Why is it always we normal people have to come to you??
            And yes, it will lead to even worse. Did the gays not tell us in the seventies they just wanted to be left alone?? Now look, they expect society to cater to them.

          • Dr. X

            Yes. Germany legalized bestiality when it legalized homosexuality in 1969.

          • David Ashton

            I have stated my opinions on homosexuality, gay supporters of white patriotism, and on the legislative redefinition of matrimony in Britain (not Northern Ireland). But I would like to ask you as a homosexual why you differ in this respect from the heterosexual majority. What is it about males that attracts you instead of females? Why do you think it “normal” use your reproductive equipment in an exclusively non-reproductive manner?

          • Morris LeChat

            People are always attracted to their opposite. A male who never developed a male self identity because he never separated emotionally from his mother, sees men as “the other”. He has a female self identity. He is also afraid of and threatened by masculinity so he develops a defensive detachment towards tother men, never making satisfying friendship types of relationships. His efforts to have masculine contact always steer towards the safer, impersonal sexual ones. Often times this is hidden by a hypermasculine compensation. It is a malformation the same away a club foot is a malformation. Both can be corrected, especially if correction starts early on. There is a book that describes the process of repair or correction, called “Reparative Therapy”. It has been shown to have a high level of success by those who are motivated to change. It does not try silly techniques such as telling men to picture women naked or to pray for change. It forces men to examine their reaction almost everything they encounter in their daily life and see how they are reacting in a feminine manner, especially when it comes to relating to other men, where they either assume the role of a child in a child father relationship or they assume a feminine role of submission and seduction. There is nothing normal or healthy about the homosexual lifestyle.

          • David Ashton

            Some homosexuals definitely exhibit female mannerisms and lesbians vice versa, and these are not just affectations. The promiscuous “gay” lifestyle, of course, has unhealthy features: disease spread by “bare-backing”, rectal lesions, excessive drug use to facilitate “copulation” and/or orgasm, felching, lavatory cruising, boy porn, &c.

        • IstvanIN

          Theories do change over time. While homosexuality may not be a mental illness it is an abnormality. I saw a PBS segment where the researcher thought that homosexuality was caused by the brain not responding properly to the release of sex hormones in the, if I recall correctly, first trimester. There has some research that indicates there is some physical differences between the brains of heterosexual and homosexual men, just as there differences between the brains of men and women. Fascinating stuff once you get past the less pleasant aspects.

        • [Guest]

          I think we need to ask ourselves how fags gained Most Favored Sexual Perversion status. The methods and means employed toward that end should be applied toward furthering causes more worthy than “gay marriage” and the offshoot insanity.

          • TruSeeker
          • Morris LeChat

            It was accomplished using the fallacy of credentials. The west discarded it’s common sense and common decency because a few people with fake credentials as “EXPERTS” and “DOCTORS” convinced it that perversion was normal and that what was thought of as normal never existed and was always just a lie.

            http://www.theoccidentalobserver.net/2012/06/portraits-of-masters-of-porn-the-systematic-promotion-of-recreational-sex-sexual-callousness-and-sexual-deviancy/

          • a multiracial individual

            This issue of corporal punishment with children is an interesting issue. Mr. LeChat if I may intrude a couple of questions?

            1. Among Whites in the United States, which group expresses more support for spanking their children? Northerners or Southerners?

            2. Among Whites in the United States, which group has higher rates of violence and criminality? Northerners or Southerners?

          • Morris LeChat

            I don’t waste time with mischlings

          • a multiracial individual

            Let me help you out since you appear to shy away from data you disagree with. Northern Whites are more law abiding than Southern Whites. They also tend to spank their children less. Clearly spanking is not an effective practice for raising well adjusted adults. I am not saying spanking causes Southerners to become criminals, but there is obviously not a causal relationship between spanking and success.

          • Morris LeChat

            go away mischling, i have no interest in reading mischling babble

          • Reality Calling

            “Let me help you out since you appear to shy away from data you disagree with.”

            Ironic since you provide none of your own. Here, let me help you (see my above post).

            “I am not saying spanking causes Southerners to become criminals, but there is obviously not a causal relationship between spanking and success.”

            …and yet you provide absolutely no evidence for the contrary, even though you snidely insinuate it.

          • Sorry, Multispecies Individual, but you have assigned geographical delineations where race matters: The whole purpose of this site!

            I’ve never spanked my daughter. My ex-father was so physically and emotionally abusive that I just don’t have it in me.

            Instead of “Northerners” and “Southerners” say instead “Americans” and “Africans”. You’ll be closer to the truth that way.

          • a multiracial individual

            I never said that race doesn’t matter. Of course it remains the most important thing. However, given a population of the same race, there will still be significant cultural divergence. Spanking does not make people become violent, or criminal. However, it clearly does not help prevent people from becoming such. I happen to think that people who are biologically less prone to violence simply have more docile children. This means that they don’t like spanking them, and they have no need to spank them. Their DNA makes their ideology appear completely justified.

          • ncpride

            Eh, taking away their electronic gadgets is the worst sort of punishment for tweens, believe me. They think it’s the end of the world, and it’s a great deterrant for misbehavior. No need to hit.

          • Reality Calling

            Genes are far more important than behavioral conditioning of any type. Northerners substitute “spanking” with ineffective “stand in the corner” and “:you’re on restriction” tactics even though they are not effective. In both cases, people are not willing to consider that some personality characteristics are innate and immutable. That will never change because it takes a certain level of cognitive ability/personality type to even consider the possibility.

            I was spanked, and it never resulted in me stealing a car.

          • a multiracial individual

            I am not surprised that you never stole a car since I never said that spanking makes people become criminals. Spanking is effective in getting a child obey. However, beyond that, it has little utility. Your comment hints at a possiblilty that may make some people around here uncomfortable, Northern Whites may be biologically less prone to violence than Southern Whites.

            In 1960, well before the Hispanic invasion, Northern Whites still engaged in less murder than their Southern and Western counterparts.

            http://hailtoyou.wordpress.com/2013/01/06/white-murder-rates-by-u-s-state-1960-vs-2010/

            http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=90406&page=1

          • Juggernaut3000

            Same for Kinsey, Freud, Boas, the Frankfurt School, frauds every single one whose poison was accepted w/o question by the media and upper academia and disseminated throughout white culture as
            “normal.” Their sick, mendacious theories have done untold damage to white American culture.

        • Pan Europa

          That`s ignorance. There`s no evidence to suggest that a homosexual is anymore likely than a heterosexual to molest a child.

          • Gwynn Ap Nudd

            Wrong. They molest at three times the straight rate.

          • Pan Europa

            Prove it.

          • Sue

            You misunderstood, my complimentary friend. What I was stating is if one definition is changed for marriage, why not the others? With one click of a pen pedophiles could marry. Change a definition and they’re no longer perverts that prey on children but misunderstood victims.
            Since you brought it up though the term pedophile doesn’t have any qualification about
            whether the offender is a homosexual or a heterosexual.

          • Pan Europa

            Pedophiles are already married, and you`ve conflated homosexuality with pedophilia. So, the distiction matters as you try to denegrate a group for their sexual orientation. Making a moral argument is one thing, but making medical claims ( i.e. homosexuality as abnormal ) is anotherr.

          • Wayne

            Abnormal means outside what is normal. Gays are very small portion of the population, hence abnormal.

          • David Ashton

            What is the origin of an orientation that makes one gender desire sexual use of the reproductive mechanism exclusively with the same gender? How can this be normal, even if tolerated as a private consenting adult practice?
            Also, what makes an adult desire sexual use of the reproductive mechanism exclusively with a child, or an animal, or a statue, rather than with an adult of the other gender?
            Are biological factors responsible, and if so, what are they?

          • Morris LeChat

            That is simply not true, There is abundant evidence

            http://www.wnd.com/2002/04/13722/

          • Wayne

            Why take a chance? Why should society take a chance? What redeeming qualities does sodomy bring to it?

          • My sample data is limited to one white individual. He was bisexual; he also dated (and beat up) white women. He also raped little boys and girls. He was a federal law-enforcement officer – a TSA passenger screener who was allowed to continue working for an entire year after pleading guilty. He violated his deferral and now he’s doing life. Robert Christopher Rowe can be found on the Colorado Department of Corrections website. His sentence termination date is December 31 8888. Even if he ever gets out, he’ll never be off paper.

            My suspicion is that for some individuals, sexual dysfunction becomes an obsession.

        • Nathanwartooth

          My gay friend got really mad when I told him that every argument used for gay marriage will eventually be used to make polygamy, pedophilia and bestiality accepted.

          I thought that gay marriage would be a great time to draw the line at that. OK, gays can get married but let’s change the law so that nothing else is ever accepted.

          These groups that promote gay marriage will soon have nothing to do, so they must move on. They will move on to supporting other kids of marriage like polygamy. Do you think they want to lose their jobs and organizations? Nope, they will just change the focus.

          • Freey’all

            They are already to some extent, it’s now transmania going on.

          • HJ11

            Polygamy can produce many more White children.

          • Wayne

            But it contributes to the alienation of some white males, which causes discord or those males marrying outside the race. Also, it is not part of northern evolutionary culture. Try again.

          • HJ11

            And you have the facts to support the assertion in your first sentence?

            And as to your second sentence, I don’t care what our culture was in the past. It is not working in this regard in the present. We are now in a time when masses of dark humans are invading our gene pool and wiping us out with one act of bedroom genocide after another.

            It is time for a new morality for Whites that has us expand our kind, no matter what.

          • Wayne

            I have as much as you do for yours. Use some common sense.

          • HJ11

            You have no such facts, because there are none to support your assertions. Think before you write.

          • Wayne

            Again, what facts do you have that polygamy increases the white population? There is a reason nature makes a 50/50 split or close to it for the male/female population.

          • HJ11

            Actually, there are more human females than males worldwide.

            And, you only need to check the population of polygamous communities in Utah and Arizona to see that such relationships produce more White children.

          • Freey’all

            More males are born than females but only by a small margin that no longer exists for and by the time mating happens. The surplus of females occurs well into old age long past any mating period.

          • Morris LeChat

            watch it, he might scratch your eyes out

      • Nocturna

        Not being content to keep their sexual lives private, the homosexualist agenda is yet another hammer blow against traditional Western societies.

        Children are our most precious hope for keeping our people and civilisation alive. Homosexuality is the antithesis to this.

        • IstvanIN

          I think we all agree that people should keep their private sex lives private, but I think there is a difference between knowing that someone is gay and knowing what they do behind closed doors.

          You are correct that children are the future, but do you really want gays pretending to be normal and marrying your daughter? We are talking about a small percentage of the population.

          • Morris LeChat

            research “reparative therapy”, there is no such thing as “incurable” homosexuality.If a male is motivated to change and he is still young, his chances of affecting a real change are very good. IF he has not yet had an actual experience, the chances are excellent. Once a person experiences something as pleasurable though, that memory always remains. Reparative therapy has been very successful.

          • bigone4u

            “Reparative therapy has been very successful.”
            That why gays have gotten it outlawed in California. Gayness does not concern me. The political gay agenda does. I’ll add that recruiting gays to the white cause will be mostly fruitless because they, as sex addicts and breakers of taboos, enjoy an interracial romp in the hay, i.e., gays are anti-racist.

          • Freey’all

            Not true bigone, they are not all breaking taboos at all. There are sexually conservative gays, and many simply prissy ones. There are very monogamous ones, and many who are simply average in their level of ‘promiscuity’ or whatever you want to call it. The real issue is that we not allow it to become an issue, as it’s used as a wedge against us and between us.

          • Wayne

            If they kept it to themselves nobody would know.

          • Morris LeChat

            one should never change a platform to cater to gays. They either “repair” themselves, or they are kept out.

          • David Ashton

            It should certainly be available. In London advertisements for it were banned! But I still think that much homosexuality is biologically determined, as much else in the human organism. One can even recognize at least two sorts of homosexual face.

          • Wayne

            Yes, that’s what I want. Being gay is a choice, not a natural inclination, otherwise the gene causing it would have eventually died out.
            That aside, if these sodomites really care so much about our society and why do they refuse to acknowledge the wishes and culture of the vast majority and keep their sodomy in the bedroom? Nobody needs to know!

          • Freey’all

            It’s more likely something that goes on in the womb and relates to hormone levels and antibodies. Regardless, it’s not something we should all be fighting about. No need to call people names.

            I saw this surfing the pro-white net this weekend and thought of you and our proud southern boys, a song for the rebel soldier:

            http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jc2zh2BM5ko

            And I come from yankee stock…but we are one.

          • Morris LeChat

            That would affect both twins, the cause has scientifically been shown to be other than biological. Children go through important developmental stages in their first few years. The presence of a father or adult male is VERY important for the male child. At a certain stage in development, the child separates his/her identity from the mother and forms it’s own identity. Without an important male presence, the male child does not develop a masculine self identity. This usually happens around the second year. IF no male is present, or if the mother is the dominant person in the household, the child retains a feminine identity and views males as being others or opposites. Otherness/ oppositeness is fundamental to sexual attraction-excitement. There is an element of self destruction involved when one opens oneself up to one’s opposite. This is where the dangerous forms of sexual perversion lead to murder. Without higher human values of tenderness and affection, and a meaningful connection to God and life, sex becomes dangerous and brutal. This is how pornography destroys a society. Through pornography, sex is removed from a meaningful, social context and the mind manufactures imaginary partners who suffer no ill consequences for satisfying an increasingly violent and perverse set of fantasies. The moth always gets nearer and nearer to the flame. This is also why dying animals become in heat. Death motivates the desire to pro-create. Oppositeness is fundamental to sexual attraction for it’s implied oblivion of the individual. The heart beats fast and breathing increases just as if one is being pursued by a killer. When a male never develops a male self identity, he sees other males as oppositeness, otherness. He can not experience male bonding as he goes through life with a defensive detachment mechanism. His sexual relations do not satisfy a more important desire to have meaningful male to male relationships. In reparative therapy, males are taught to form a masculine identity and find their compulsions and attractions regarding men mysteriously wane, and that attractions to women mysteriously emerge. They find that other problems they have in life that are stereotypical of gay men also wayne, that the detached defensiveness disappears and they can discuss things with other men that they would not do before, they become much more assertive and put their concerns and desires on the table without being overly confrontation/emotional. Where before they would become bitchy and backbiting, they find they can speak up plainly and forthrightly. They find that being able to bond with other males is something they could never do before and that that need is finally fulfilled.

          • IstvanIN

            people choose to be gay as much as they choose to have downs syndrome, autism, Alzheimers, depression, OCD or any host of abnormalities, many of which are not genetic in origin.

          • Wayne

            I’m open to believe that as soon as they find a gene for it.
            But assuming you are right, are you saying it is a sickness?

          • Morris LeChat

            It is a retarded development of the individual. It can be corrected.

          • Morris LeChat

            people do not choose to be alcoholics, but indulging it is not a good plan

          • Persona Non Grovel

            I think there are scientific anomalies all around us. The homo argument may be one. If being gay was a choice, why would the majority of them CHOOSE to be ridiculed and harassed from their adolescent early years? To me it doesn’t make any sense why a male is attracted to another male. Sounds sick & twisted but it’s not my life. It is also self-hatred in a sense. Would a normal average White guy choose to take a bus in the middle of East St. Louis or Cleveland or Chicago or Detroit for a thrill ride? The only reason you would see a case like that is if the White man had a severe drug addiction, he was homeless and had no family to turn to, or he was forced against his will to make the dangerous voyage. Or maybe he liked black women. The point is is that it’s an anomaly.

            Being gay doesn’t make any one person wrong or right, moral or immoral, but it does cloud the judgement of civil societies as another carp in the pond with its mouth open waiting for bread crumbs. They an have rights. But I don’t think they deserve anything special. The other side of the argument is if they are born into it, they will not procreate. I don’t want gays and bisexuals procreating anyways. Their gene pool will die out for a reason. The gay lifestyle is selfish, but so is the yuppie lifestyle of rich Whiteguy and rich White girl with no kids and who won’t even look into adopting an Eastern European or American White baby. They give their charitable contributions to Somalis and other Africans who already have registered charity lists ad infinitum.

          • I would never want a gay man pretending to be straight and marrying Ariadne. He’d probably bring home nasty diseases. The sex drive is a powerful thing, and I don’t believe gays can be “cured”. I have been accused of having “Yellow Fever” for having married Sayaka, even though she isn’t yellow. Her complexion is paper-white. Whatever it is, I liked blond white women damned plenty as well, back in the day.

            So long as the homos (and straights) leave kids alone, I will never have a problem with them. Yes, children are great, Nocturna, but how is what a gay does very different from a heterosexual who builds model railroads?

        • OlderWoman

          Homosexuals are addicted to sex. I don’t want to know about their perversion or who they sleep with. Yet they insist on hammering us to death with news about their so-called ‘lifestyle’. Their choice of sexual activity has no relation to how well they perform in their chose field of employment. And yet they try to force us to believe it does.

          • Tired

            My words are of no value and the ears to hear them are closed as tight as can be.

            I can sit here and tell you why you are wrong to say I am addicted to sex and how all gays are anti-white, I could present the very evidence before you and you still would not listen. You all have an idea built in fear of what you believe a homosexual to be and alas there is nothing I can say to change what you think. I need not prove to you my loyalty to my race. You do not post here to understand what I have to say, you post only to have your voice heard, waiting for others to finish so that you may reply with no concern (or understanding) of what the other has said.

            What is happening is exactly what I have feared. Our movement is going to be stunted and damaged. These reflexive ultra-conservative ideas based more in nostalgia will kill this movement and prevent the long-term survival of our people. A movement that seems to be more and more about returning to an age that never existed, an ultra religious anti-scientific world that not only goes against our logical white nature, but also destroys the appeal of our movement to logical whites trying to survive in this world. Not everything of the modern age is of no use and I fear this over simplification is going to damage this movement.

            Demonize me, make me out to what you believe me to be and any other gay white race realist, create this horrifying imaginary persona so that our exclusion rests more easily on your hearts. But know, you have no more right to this movement than I do, and know I am just as white as anyone here.

            My ancestors where there when farming first came to be on European soil, when the Greeks and Persians battled, when the Roman Empire was at her peak, during the Hun invasions, and when the black death struck our ancestors and ravaged their lives. They were there through the pain and suffering, the glory and the success and I am their descendant. Years I’ve been fascinated with them. Burying myself in everything from the Aeneid to the Prose Edda itself, encouraging my family and friends to pursue their white heritage. Pursuing their arts and making great sacrifice (just like any race-realist), preventing many of my own female friends from betraying their race and matchmaking several white couples (several who have white children now). Looking forward I see the same grim fate for our people which I fight to prevent.

            And yet, when I appear before the temple of race realism, of our survival I am prohibited from entering. Tainted they see me, and useless to the cause. Fear clouds the reasoning, something we need now more than ever.

          • Nathanwartooth

            This is why I like Jared Taylor so much. He keeps his focus and never wavers.

            All other issues are really just not very important. We will have no future without stopping immigration and creating a White homeland.

          • Juggernaut3000

            We will have no future if we only clip the branches but not attack the root. Therefore the branches will simply grow back.

            Eliminating the root of the problem is the only way to solve it. Leave it, and the problem will simply come back.

          • Pan Europa

            I disagree. I`ve noticed some contradictions in what he has said about homosexuals, and what he implicitly thinks and feels, and I could respect him more if he could be more direct as not to create confusion.

          • Unperson

            Not all of us on here are gay-intolerant. As a race-realist het, who opposes same-sex marriage, I nevertheless take what I consider a reasoned, common-sense approach to gays: I’m well aware that majority of gay men (and a super-majority of gay women) lean lib/left, and are generally opposed to everything AR stands for: this is unquestionably a problem. But — unlike blacks, Mexicans, or Muslims — if a gay person is white and “awakened” on racial issues, there is no reason to exclude or ostracize them. You can be a gay white nationalist but you can not be a black white nationalist or a Muslim white nationalist. Contradiction in terms. There are literally millions of gay white people who are potential recruits to our cause — and considering how undermanned our cause is, we’re not in a position to be turning away good people based on their orientation. I’ve had many good friends over the years who were homosexual; I can’t say the same for blacks, Hispanics, or Muslims.

            I have heard, anecdotally, that in gay-heavy places like San Francisco, there are among gay men a significant minority who do NOT like blacks — probably because they’ve had unpleasant encounters with them, just like many white heteros have — and who have banded together to safeguard each other when traveling at night. A kind of informal “neighborhood watch”, specifically to counter minority victimization of their community. In fact, it’s not hard to imagine that statistically gay whites might have even MORE bad experiences on average than straight whites, since the predatory urban black is known to prefer victims who look (a) prosperous, and (b) like they won’t put up too much of a fight. Given the choice of two men to mug — a fashionably-dressed latte-sipper or a mean-looking redneck — you KNOW Homie will pick the former 10 times out of 10. The fact that Homie is also a mindless homophobe (despite his occasional down-low action) probably skews black-on-gay statistics even more.

            I’m sure there are PLENTY of white gay men, and even a few women, who, if we could win them over from the Harvey Milks and the Barney Franks and Hillary Clintons, would make fine proponents of white consciousness. As long as they support our aims, and keep their personal lives to themselves (and quite yammering about the marriage thing), we should not regard them as enemies.

          • Freey’all

            Fair white lesbians are the most beaten on, in the domestic front (as opposed to those soldiers facing death and maiming in the international conflict arena), profile in the US.

          • Wayne

            You are not addicted to sex, sex is marriage of the man and woman, the act of intercourse in which the male seed is planted in the female. You are addicted to sodomy, worshipping another man’s raw sewage pipe. I really don’t care, until your ilk tries to redefine society around it.

          • Freey’all

            I think Tired is a woman.

          • Tired

            I assure you I am a man, but I don’t really see how it would change the legitimacy of my argument.

          • Freey’all

            It doesn’t I was just surmising; I’d thought you mentioned being a woman. Although, I have noted that gay men activists are somewhat more likely to work the anti-white angle than lesbian activists, which is relevant.

          • Tired

            Well I think that’s because men in general tend to be more active in politics, regardless of the orientation.

            I think the reason a lot of gay whites support liberal politicians is for obvious reasons. It is a survival game. Many genuinely fear that their survival depends on voting for liberals (part of the anti-white brainwashing) even if they themselves despise minorities (you’ll actually find more racism in gay communities then you will in straight communities these days).

            But no, I’m a man.

          • Pan Europa

            I`m a Gay race realist, and I`m well aware that most here, and amongst the movement, are anti-homosexual; and, that`s one reason why it will ultimately fail. Instead of uniting White People into a self-conscious racial community, it is dividing us among sexual orientation along with our families and friends. (heterosexuals). I`m skeptical about American Renaissance, and I`d like to get in contact with you to discuss some observations that I`ve made.

          • Morris LeChat

            homosexuals do not unite white people, they do not procreate, they disrupt and destroy societies, they are at most 1-3% of the “white population”. Race realism will only fail if it stops being “realism”. Get your head out of your … . The exclusion of your kind will not hinder us at all.

          • Tired

            Nostalgia is the deadliest weapon against our people in these times.

          • Tired

            That’s part of it as well. Many gay white race-realists are able to bring their heterosexual families over to the cause and if such lines are drawn many will be reluctant to support the cause. It is the same as many professional white women. I know a handful who are closet race-realists but are hesitant to join the movement for fear that they will lose their equality.

          • Morris LeChat

            total BS

          • Tired

            A response of the highest logic. I’m overwhelmed by your articulate use of words.

          • Morris LeChat

            nothing wrong with calling BS BS

          • Pan Europa

            Yes, and these people are rife with bizzare sexual obsessions, and Jared Taylor obviously shares their views, and that`s one reason why many people are repulsed by Amren.

          • Tired

            Also, how does one go about contacting another to discuss such matters?

          • David Ashton

            Will you have white descendants?

          • Morris LeChat

            Read the book “The Pink Swastika”. The parallels between Weimar Germany and our present state are amazing.

            http://www.defendthefamily.com/pfrc/books/pinkswastika/html/the_pinkswastika_4th_edition_-_final.htm

          • David Ashton

            At the outset of WW2 the Nazis brought in the death penalty for “gays” who seduced Hitler Youth. Laws against male homosexuality in Germany otherwise resembled those in other countries, and lesbians were largely unmolested. But Himmler was an adamant opponent of homosexuality in the SS, even when members were highly qualified in other respects. Both “pink swastika” and “pink triangle” propaganda contain much equal and opposite nonsense.

          • gemjunior

            Yes, at first all the “equality” that was necessary was not to be beaten up by gangs of offended people who were disgusted with what they do with each other. Then that version of “equality” morphed into what we have today – a militant demand for constant affirmation that their ‘lifestyle’ is absolutely WONDERFUL. Sticking body parts into an exit is normal? There was a show on about gay men’s lifestyles before the age of AIDS and one guy that was interviewed said he had so many partners that he could never remember them, one time during one night he had been with 100 men. I thought that was impossible but the other ones interviewed also had many partners, maybe not 100 in one night but plenty by heterosexual standards. So honestly, they actually aren’t helping matters.

        • Pan Europa

          How can that be when it was part of it from the very begining? Classical Greek culture was the first to recognize the alternation of homosexual and heterosexual preferences in the same individual and it`s implicit denial that such alternation or coexistence created peculiar problems for the individual or society.

          • Morris LeChat

            you did not live in classical greece, neither did the perverts that wrote the books about it that you read. Writings from that time show a disdain amongst the common people for homosexuality in general. The form that did occur was pederast in nature, and there are contemporary writings of people that thought this was not good at all.

          • Pan Europa

            Yes, your such a paragon of historical truths and virtues. I`ll be sure to keep this petty moralisim in mind as I research history.

          • Big Jim

            Must you pander your sodomy here?

          • Wayne

            Say, how exactly is a “gay marriage” consumated???

          • Pan Europa

            I wouldn`t know, and it`s none of your business as far as I can see.

          • Wayne

            None of my business? Gays are the ones asking us the majority to restructure our ancient society around their fetish, so it sure as hell does become our business.
            But the answer is that they can’t consumate a marriage, and since consummation is itself marriage, sodomites cannot marry.
            I also find it disingenuous that you are wringing your hands about all the imaginary support white realists would get if they only accept the 2% gay population, yet these same gays don’t care enough about our situation to put their personal fetish on the backburner or at least practice it in private.

          • David Ashton

            But it is the business of legislators who wish to impose a redefinition of marriage upon us all.

          • Morris LeChat

            do you have a point? Other than the fact that you don’t like historical reality, do you have a point?

          • Wayne

            True, Greeks and Romans practiced homosexual acts but also carried on relations with women too. They also liked young boys, which will be the next installment you will telling us was “part of it from the beginning”.
            BTW, fool, all the first 12 Caesars committed sodomy and relations with women. The Roman citizenry overlooked it. But there was one Caesar who married a man and all Romans were disgusted by it. Know who that was? Answer: Caligula! Are you really advocating the emulation of Caligula???

          • GM (Australia)

            No so long ago I attended a work related social function, senior management was there. One senior manager (male) whom we all suspected was “one” came in with his “Toy Boy”. To a person, young, old, male female we all found it revolting, nauseating and generally unacceptable. It’s just the natural order of things..

      • IstvanIN

        Marriage in our society is one man and one woman. It isn’t two people of the same sex nor is it multiple-wives. Why would it be so awful if legitimate concerns of long-term gay couples like inheritance, medical power of attorney, etc. were handled through legal means other than marriage?

        • David Ashton

          We have civil partnership contracts in the UK which are quite enough.

      • a multiracial individual

        It is very strange to me that many “White Nationalists” have decided that they have the luxury to alienate 5% of the human population. Gays should be easy allies since Muslims, Blacks, and many other third world populations treat them so poorly. If you look at the map below you will see an obvious trend, the less developed a society is, the more hostile they tend to be toward gay people. Acceptance of gays is mostly a White thing. If all non-Whites vanished tomorrow, you would have a planet in which gay marriage was recognized almost everywhere. It is impossible to exaggerate how serious the demographic crisis is for Europeans at this moment. It is utterly amazing that people are fiddling with (non) issues like: gay marriage, pornography, cannabis, etc. while the barbarians are at the gates.

        • IstvanIN

          As a non-white person you are missing the bigger cultural issue and quite honestly gay marriage, pornography and marijuana/drugs are not non-issues.

          • a multiracial individual

            Even if you wish to pursue those other issues, it would probably be wise to lock the front door before you clean inside the house.

          • IstvanIN

            I agree with that, until the intruders are dealt with everything else is a distraction.

          • Barnaby Sutton

            Another non-White telling us where and how we’re wrong on a White racialist website. Nuff said.

          • a multiracial individual

            You should judge advice based on how valid the argument is, not whether or not you like the source.

        • bigone4u

          Mr. or Ms. Multiracial: First, gays are only 1 or 2 percent of the population, not 5 percent. But I quibble. Second, gays tend to be anti-white, holding the belief that whites are responsible for their “oppression.” Gays will not ally with white nationalists. Third, we are fighting a culture war, not a hot war, at least not yet. The gay agenda, the porn agenda, and mind-numbing narcotics are part of the war on white people. When and if the FEMA camps are used to house white patriots then the hot war will leave those cultural issues in the dust, but for now they are important.

          • Freey’all

            The war is a hot one, you just haven’t fought on that front yet it seems.

          • Persona Non Grovel

            The gay agenda, the porn agenda, and mind-numbing narcotics are part of the war on white people. This is a half truth. Black “leaders” protest this stuff all the time. They also want their race to endure & survive. At face value there is nothing wrong with that. The problem is that Whites are forbidden to promote their strength as a race, by the infamous tribe that shall not be questioned. When other ethnic/ racial groups can do this but not another, that is called severe censorship, and freedom of speech for the oppressed group is violated. When that happens you get the least stable ( lunatic fringe) of any group to act out in socially unsatisfactory ways. Then the problems get worse.

          • I will disagree with you only on one score: gays should ally with us precisely because they are so often the victims of violent crimes committed by blacks. I’m 3/16 Amerind, pass for white, and am married to a rather Jomon Japanese. Because of my wife’s race, some black “yoofs” think I am some sort of sissy, and not a convicted violent federal felon on the Terrorist Watch List who’s NCIC file says “Firearms expert. Explosives expert. Chemist. Ex-mercenary.” The feds got me a head-shrinker for three years which helped quite a bit.

            Remember that song “She’s got Betty Davis Eyes”? Even my own mother says my ex-father had the hands of an artist, but mine look like those of a serial killer. I like them; they serve me well, but they’re not artist’s hands. I suspect “He’s Got Psycho-Killer Hands” will never make the Top-40.

            The Republitards have made a tragic mistake by allowing the Dumbocraps to monopolize environmentalism. They’re doing the same thing with agnostics (mea culpa) and gays.

        • Gwynn Ap Nudd

          Exactly. So stop fiddling. Society has to be Hetero-Normative. Shut up and do what you want privately and QUIETLY. Stop trying to get a medal for it.

          • a multiracial individual

            I think you are a bit confused. I am not gay, so gay marriage is a concern I have for others. Dems told Repubs they need to reach out to the Hispanic community. What kind of person would accept advice from an enemy? They did not tell Cons to reach out to White liberals (gays, environmentalists, feminists, etc.) did they? There is no strategy that the GOP can employ that will get them the Hispanic vote (other than lax immigration, which is a disaster). This means that the GOP is going to have to start getting more White votes, and soon. How do you propose that they do this?

          • Juggernaut3000

            Both the Dems and Repubs are enemies of white nationalists. Neither party supports white issues, and in fact, often work hand in hand to dispossess whites by supporting unfettered non-white immigration and anti-white AA policies.
            Gay marriage is a red herring tossed at us to distract us from the larger and MAIN issue: white genocide via massive non-white immigration into white countries.
            Compared to white survival gay issues are petty and meaningless.

          • Freey’all

            No one deserves medals for what they do in their bedrooms, right, as it’s supposed to be the reward unto itself. Most people are innately straight and always will be so no need to enforce what is the natural order anyway.

        • Wayne

          Idiot! 5% of the population is way too generous! But let’s assume you are right. How many of that 5% are going to ever be conservative? Maybe .01 at most. That .01 will be so dedicated that they would keep their sodomy in the closet for the greater good any way.

          • a multiracial individual

            Who said they have to be conservative? They just need to switch on immigration. Also, your recent posts reveal an inconsistency many people around here appear to have.
            Most people here acknowledge that different races have different sexual habits. Furthermore, most people here acknowledge that these differences are grounded in biology (differing structures in the brain). However, when it comes to sexual orientation, this logic goes right out the window. All behavior is the result of brain states. Straight people, gay people, pedophiles, bestiality , etc….All of these people are attracted to beings because their brains are a certain way. It is why Iq and sexual orientation in identical twins reared apart is closer than fraternal twins raised together. Or that the suprachiasmatic nucleus is twice the size in gay males as straight males.

          • Wayne

            Nature wires every organism for procreation. Different races adapted to the best strategy for their environment. Nature does not wire HEALTHY organisms to be gay because they are inclined to not procreate. Any organism truly exhibiting gayness would be deemed sick, abnormal, fit for extinction.
            But let’s be honest, we both know there are not enough anti-immigration gays to fill the backseat of my 1976 Ford Pinto.

        • Juggernaut3000

          Yet gays — like blacks — are told their worst enemies are white, hard-right Christians, Southern red necks and tea partiers. Wait until the muslims control England and non-whites control the U.S.
          Gays be the fist whites attacked.

        • Morris LeChat

          Gays are always a treacherous bunch that take the side of the enemy, as they have done now.

        • David Ashton

          Homosexuality hardly improves the demographic situation, but we can all recognize civilized “gays” critical of multicultural immigration, e.g. Prof. David Starkey in England.

          • a multiracial individual

            Gays don’t reproduce (actually some still do), but they do vote. People are also forgetting about the loved ones of gays who hate conservatives as well (they vote too).

      • a multiracial individual
        • t T t

          What does the United Nations Human Rights Council say about the UN biased and prejudicial program of only allowing muslims from middle eastern countries to qualify for refugee status while denying Christians from the same middle eastern countries that are the most persecuted to be denied?…..You would also be wrong to assume that if all non-Whites disappeared that homosexuality would be socially acceptable…it is only acceptable to the extent that it is today in America and other European Nations because of jewish influence…or Zionism/Pharisaism…

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH_Bs-pN46s

      • [Guest]

        The argument most often presented in favor of so-called marriage between people who engage in your favored sexual perversion is that it represents “marriage equality” between consenting adults.

        The identical argument can be made in support of marriage between a man and his own adult daughter, between a woman and her own adult son, between a man and his own adult son, between a woman and her own adult daughter, between two adult brothers, between two adult sisters, and between brothers and sisters who are adults. For that matter, in the name of “marriage equality,” each member of a family of four—father, mother, son, and daughter—could marry every other member of the family, as long as all participants were consenting adults.

        You either approve of the above unions, or you oppose “marriage equality.” So, do you approve of “marriage equality” between consenting adults, yes or no?

      • I don’t have a problem with gay marriage or civil union. So long as they don’t vote for socialists, what gays do isn’t hurting me. Whatever a pair of consenting adults do in bed is probably disgusting so long as they are doing it correctly, so quibbling over the details seems a mite childish.

        That said, gays also tend to vote childishly. They tend to support gun-control, even though gays are very often the victims of violent crime, precisely because they are gay.

      • Homosexual behavior is a blight on society and must be stopped. The very acceptance of such a immoral thing is a sign of a sick nation. Even though it’s a contentious argument I will include this.

        “Plato condemns homosexual intercourse in both the “Laws” and the
        “Republic.” The “Laws” (Book VIII) rejects homosexual intercourse
        because it can render men unfit for marriage and because it is contrary
        to nature and a shameless indulgence.
        The “Laws” recommends that homosexuality, like adultery, fornication and the use of prostitutes, not be engaged in; that if it is engaged in, it be kept private or closeted, and that if it is discovered, it be punished by deprivation of civil rights, a severe penalty. In effect, the “Laws”recommends criminalization.”

        See source here – http://www.nytimes.com/1993/02/27/opinion/l-plato-on-homosexuality-238493.html

        Consider the Bible accounts as well. Even if you are not a Christian this account reflects a very long standing social standard.

      • HamletsGhost

        I hope you’re smart enough to realize that this “gay marriage” thing is just another battering ram concocted by the Cultural Marxists to destroy one of the last vestiges of the West. How many gays you know even WANT to be married? They have official tolerance in all Western countries, and the legal right to live together as domestic partners without disturbance.

        Just like the Civil Right’s agitators iwere n the 60s, the “Marriage Equality” agitators are pawns in a much larger agenda.

  • galafrin

    This man was the best France could offer . At 18 years old From 1956 to 58 he fought against muslim rebels armed by Moscow and supported by the left and the church at home only to be betrayed by De Gaulle the liard.

    The he reshaped the old pre-war counter-revolutionnary thinking by founding a political party Jeune Nation to reflect the new equilbrium where communism manipulate islam to defeat civilised countries.

    I read dozens of history books since his work on the German Frank Corps of Baltikum and I am still shaken at the thought. He indulged himself in writing on lost causes like the confederate secession war, the russian civil war, the french collaboration and the war of Algeria.

    The tragedy is that not enough people knew he was right from the beginning, that you must defeat both Islam and communism or be enslaved by either of them. This is the message, one that only Spain has learnt the hard way to this point in my opinion, althought the USA is coming near.

    Make no mistake, this was an act of war from an old political soldier , one that ancient romans would call Devotio.

    Congrat for this great site and greetings from Europe.

  • CarlGustavM

    Here is a powerful French video, Generation identitaire. I thought you all might appreciate this, if you haven’t seen it already:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ePvE2azaFRc

    • KingKenton

      This is a great video. Liked the statement, “… this is not a manifesto, this is a declaration of war”. No more Mr. nice guy, no more talk. Time to take action. My level of respect for the French has come up recently with this video, Mr. Taylor’s recent well received visit to France, and the following:

      http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22671572
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8zyyUz5XN6E

      Maybe the French are gonna lead the way. Who’d of thought…

      • Dazed

        I think they more than others are more likely to be the Flashpoint in Europe as they, more than others, are eager to cast the shadow of weakness from their backs they gained during WW2. Looking forward to it.

        • Morris LeChat

          The British and the Germans have both been terribly demoralized. The British due to their loss of an Empire. The Germans, due to their loss in WWII and their demonization as NAZIs. Both peoples rejected their national identity. The British much more so than the Germans. The British tried to emulate what they thought was America, the Germans to a lesser extent. The French, although castigated by others for their “weakness’ , never ever believed it themselves, they always have been proud to be French and the narrative amongst the French was one that focused on the French resistance movement. Contrary to your view of them as being weak, their view of themselves is the opposite, they view themselves as brave and strong resistors. The Generation Identitaire is continuing this narrative, they now see themselves as resistors against the socialist-anti European , anti-national party and all of it’s agenda. Where once the French believed their socialist, free health care state was “French” and what distinguished it from America , the young have rejected this completely, and now see it as an enemy to the existence of France. This is a tremendous turnaround.

          • Laika, The Space Dog

            Today from Reuters, about those “weak sissified” French — “Several hundred thousand opponents of same-sex marriage marched in central Paris on Sunday against a reform the unpopular French government passed last month at the price of deepening political polarization.”

            http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/05/27/us-france-gaymarriage-idUSBRE94P0A320130527?feedType=RSS&feedName=worldNews

            That’s “hundred thousand opponents” in the report which means it was probably far larger. Maybe the worm IS finally turning…

          • Morris LeChat

            They were on the roof of the socialist headquarters building. There has been a total blackout on this news in the English speaking media

          • Morris LeChat

            The end of modernism is nigh, and it’s end is starting in France.

          • ncpride

            A FB friend of mine posted photos of the protest in France, and the crowd was unlike anything I’ve ever seen. It was MASSIVE!

          • The French are picked on in the United States for having surrendered in 1940. The French army suffered 96,000 dead in six weeks of fighting, inflicting 35,000 dead on the Germans. Those men were not cowards: only their government.

          • Morris LeChat

            The French do not believe they were cowards. They make much of the resistance movement, even over inflating it’s siginificance. This has actually benefitted them. Every country has it’s myths. They were beaten so easily not so much because of cowardice, but because of an incompetent bureaucratic government. They put a lot of money into the maginot line. They were very proud of it, it was an emperor has no clothes moment. I wonder how many Frenchmen voiced their doubts concerning the fact that the Germans could bypass the line by going through Belgium ? To the average Frenchman before Germany invaded, that just would never ever happen in a million years, and besides, the Germans could not get their tanks through the Ardennes forest. Right now, if you were to say that a white male military takeover of the government could save this country, the average American would say that that would never ever happen in a million years and then go on to give you all sorts of “besides”.

          • Kevin Berger

            I don’t know what is your exact background, but the idea that French do not believe they’re cowards is wrong, IMHO.
            Actually, this idea is central to the “National Myth” on which the French Elites have been resting their sovereignty since the late 70’s at the very least (let’s say since the 60’s New Left came to power).
            For the French, since maybe a couple generations, WWII is all about how their forefathers were cowards, collaborated, snitched on each others, helped the Nazis deport Jews (IIRC, more than 50% of French Jews made it through the war and the occupation, and the figure goes up to 75% if one exclude foreign Jews – the relatively safest places in Nazi-occupied Europe to be a Jew was in Vichy France, and in Fascist Italy, now isn’t that a laugh?), etc, etc… It’s what is called the “repentance” ideology, and is a staple of the ideological, moral and mental straightjacket that is used to bind the French.
            Again, all this is a relatively recent development, as the French who lived through WWII and those who were born just after certainly were not subjected to such a pessimistic and self-defeating National image.

          • Kevin Berger

            – The similarity with the German “guilt”; The French one is less based on WWII (“WWII = collaboration, nazism lite, a stain that you’ll never escape”, the “darkest hours of the French History – apparently, nothing comes close to the 2 or 4 years of occupation, depending on how you count, in the 1500 to 2600 years of continous French History, again depending on how and what you count…), but has the added niceties of colonialism, racism, slavery,…

            – And, interestingly enough, the inescapable link with the “Anglo-Saxon” supremacy, from the neo-liberal juggernaut to the steamroller of US mass-media, songs, pop culture, cultural references,… the whole idea is that “France is backward, France is a country of perennial losers, whiners, a socialist backwater,…” Not just something that you find on the UK or US intertubes, but also in the French Chattering Class, the info-entertainement complex, the subversive “hip” left,… It’s a view that has been internalized by many, notably the younger generation, who are acculturated from the bottom up by their migrant brethen, and from the top down by the mass-media. IOW, it’s “cool” for a French teen to have, say, an US flag or an Union Jack on his clothes, or any other similar cultural icons. BUT, a French flag would be an ABSOLUTE no-no.

            I don’t think that the average “conservative” in the USA is aware of how corrosive the export of “americanism” has been. If/when a post-mortem is ever done on the White race, one would not miss the disruptive, toxic effect it will have had.

          • Morris LeChat

            My perceptions of the French “self perception” come from the 80s, when I was in college and had some discussions with some students from france, as well as a Belgian roommate. Back then, none of what you just relayed was mentioned by them. They were adamant that France played a heroic role during the war.

          • Kevin Berger

            Yup, what cracks me up, in regards to all the keyboard warriors, is that the 1940 French defeat would amount to about 750 000 KIA, and maybe 2 millions+ WIA, in six weeks, reported to the USA in 2013.
            That was quite a beating the French army took, but certainly not one that was due to any kind of ingrained weakness nor “typically French” cowardice – not when your army is taking daily casualties on par to Verdun’s meat grinder.

          • David Ashton

            Good point, worth noting.

    • Go Go

      Good video…thanks for posting it…on the same youtube page you linked me too also has many other good related videos…like this one…

      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IKeoibTjT80

    • IstvanIN

      Very good video, short but powerful message. I wish them much success.

    • Bobby

      O.K. but what exactly does he mean by “racism”? This is suspect because it always withot exception comes from the communist left.

    • Morris LeChat

      For anyone interested in donating money to Generation Identitaire, you can do so at their website at this page

      http://www.generation-identitaire.com/faire-un-don/

      “Fair un Don” means “make a donation, click on the yellow button and you can make a donation by paypal. The currency is Euros so be aware of the exchange rate. There are online currency converters so you can figure out what the amount you wish to donate is in Euros.

  • Exoplanet Finder

    For devastating the neo-Marxian, Kinsean, left-right New World Order of liberal universalism in the way that he did, Venner joins Enoch Powell and the old literature professor from The Camp of the Saints in Valhalla.

    • Unperson

      “Camp of the Saints” author Jean Raspail is still alive and well, at 88 years old.

  • sbuffalonative

    As I noted on the previous post on this issue, the MSM wouldn’t see this as an heroic or even important act like the self-immolations performed by monks. The New Yorker headline says it all in multiple meanings:

    Dominique Venner’s Final Solution

    In one sentence, Mr. Venner is reduced to a Nazi, an anti-Semite, and more subtely, praised for carrying out his own self-inialation.

    This new ‘final solution’, the end of multicultural opposition and, more importantly, the end white people themselves, is what is being celebrated by the left.

    ‘Better this relic of the racist past be gone as we are now free to build our grand Utopia’.

    I hope this death has resonace and echos in the minds and actions of those who see the fight we are in.

    This act of conviction and bravery must be remembered.

    • I hope you weren’t expecting the media moguls to present this in any other way. You have to expect that liars and thieves will always be liars and thieves. Every lie they tell or fact that they spin into a web of deception can be used against them if we make it a habit to never apologize for being right and never back down from labels that can only be proved by more slander and manipulation of facts. If the best they have are labels of racist, Nazi and anti-Semite, then Mr. Venner would have been honored, because those labels are attached to practically every White person who speaks the truth.

    • TruSeeker

      sb…great post….thankyou!

  • Spartacus

    An old man died with honor. Let’s hope us young ones will kill with the same honor .

  • HJ11

    Suicide does nothing but end your life. It is not heroic. Heroic is to stay alive and have as many children as you possibly can and in some way diminish the numbers of the White haters.

    • Do you know how your life will end? Will you be whimpering or pleading for someone to spare you while they hold a gun to your head? Will you watch your loved ones raped and killed in front of you right before someone cuts your throat?

      Seventy Eight years of surviving on this spinning spherical satellite without bowing to the pressures of political correctness is a hero in my eyes. His life should have ended with loved ones by his side; but he gave up that possibility in hopes that others would realize how desperate our situation really is. Just because his ending isn’t something everyone could or would do doesn’t make it wrong.

      • HJ11

        Death is non-existence. You can accomplish nothing when you no longer exist. He will be forgotten in a day or two.

        The way to fight our anti-White enemies is to live long and breed and have as many Whites alive at all times as possible.

        • And yet here we talking about a man who LIVED 78 years and didn’t bow to political correctness. If you truly believe that nothing is accomplished by your actions after you are no longer here, then I suggest you burn any books or forms of literature you have that was penned or inspired by men who have long been dead of natural causes, died in battle, died at the hands of tyrants and criminals, or who, like Mr. Venner, died as a form of ultimate protest.

          Let’s be honest here; Mr. Venner is at least being talked about. His action, whether you agree with it or not, has given his views more “existence” in the minds of current and potential pro-Whites than you probably ever will. You have the benefit of talking, writing and showing us how your existence is making a difference. As far as I am concerned — and probably everyone else reading this— you and your views are non-existent.

          • HJ11

            Where are we in books? Are our genes in there? Do the books make more like us? Were they around thousands of years ago when our ancestors bred to lead to us?

            What we should be concerned with is our DNA code. It is us, and we are it. If it does not go forward, we do not go forward.

            If we go extinct because we have lost the DNA wars to darker peoples, are we supposed to be happy in our extinction and our eternal genocide because they read our books?

          • GM (Australia)

            Never underestimate the power of books and writing, our whole civilization is based on literature both ancient and modern. Where would we be without the Holy Bible, Homer, Socrates, Shakespeare or even George Orwell as well as all the hundreds of thousands of lesser known writers who have contributed to our overall store of human knowledge and understanding of life?

            Hitler burned books to stop people thinking the wrong way.

            A very well known modern science fiction classic “Fahrenheit 451” by Ray Bradbury is all about a totalitarian regime that wants to ban and burn all books because they could make people THINK.

            Never underestimate the importance of books and writings.

          • HJ11

            Books that help us understand the natue of existence and then cause us to take ACTION can be valuable, but if the books do not cause action to help us survive, expand and dominate, what value are they?

            Have we become an effete, weak, sterile race that has substituted sitting around talking about things instead of taking action to ensure that we continue to exist as a distinct people and that we expand to be the dominant type in the niches where we live?

          • bigone4u

            As a published author and former professor, I strongly wish I could agree with you, but I can’t. My minority students did not read books. Period. End of story. From Homer to Shakespeare, minorities have no ability to appreciate or understand the great works of Western civilization. THAT’S WHY THESE THINGS HAVE BEEN REMOVED FROM THE CURRICULUM AND REPLACED WITH MAYA ANGELOU ET. AL.

          • Icanhear

            The Babylonian Talmud and the Koran are books worthy of burning.

          • GM (Australia)

            Yes, power of books can be evil as well as good. As for symbolic burning of books, remember that pastor from Florida who thought he would publicly burn a Koran …

          • Sue

            Hitler’s book burning was only “symbolic”. It was a 1 day affair in protest of Jewish ideas as the boycott of Jewish goods was 1 day to counter the world Jewish congress boycotting of German goods. Germans continued to read and buy from them.

          • He went forward. He went forward 78 years. You spoke of presuming to know something, but that’s all you’ve done up to this point is to presume that other people aren’t inspired or at least forced into introspection by a man’s act of defiance and ultimate sacrifice. Now you’re telling me that books, literature and even spoken words that cross generations and life and death are meaningless and trivial, because you can’t make a White man out of books and a dead person’s words?

            You can’t possibly be so obtuse that you actually believe Mr. Venner’s death is going to cause White people to give up hope and look to mass suicide as an option. He makes it very clear that his death was a wake up call, not a blueprint to just end it all.

          • HJ11

            A wake up call? For whom? Has he inspired you to take ACTION–to actually DO something other than sit behind your computer and claim that killing oneself somehow advances the White cause?

          • I’ve been “active” in one form or another for a good portion of my adult life. I didn’t need a wake up call.

            For some really strange reason you keep insinuating that a man sacrificing himself is somehow a blueprint for White people to commit mass suicide. Or maybe you believe that 78-year-old men trying to impregnate as many women as possible advances “the White cause” that you can’t seem to grasp beyond simplistic cries for Breed! Breed! Breed!

            Breed… That’s it? That’s your message, your brilliant concept of advancing a genetic composition and, just as importantly, a cause/idea that perpetuates enough racial awareness to keep that genetic stock intact?

            Do you really think 20, 30, and 40 year old guys have to be told to breed? The last thing you probably have to tell them is to try and find women who will sleep with them.

          • HJ11

            Yes, I do think Whites need to be told to breed. We are losing the numbers game and we face extinction if we do not breed more of our kind.

            Even now, many Hispanics and Blacks refer to Whites as old people–and they mean this even with our young children. They see us as the last of the Mohicans–a dying people. An enfeebled people that lacks vigor and generative power, a people sitting around just waiting to die while mouthing platitudes about honor and other abstract concepts–a people out of touch with nature and nature’s ways.

            We must once again become a people of boisterous spring,screaming “Here we are; we’re alive and expanding, and we don’t give a damn if you non-Whites, don’t like us, because we don’t give a crap about you, so get the hell out of our way.” This spring of our people comes, as it does with all organisms, in nature: by having many young ones of our kind; and in our case also by teaching our young the reality of existence.

            What do we see now? Old age homes full of dying White people–many of whom never had children–being waited on by non-Whites because the Whites are too weak and too old to take care of themselves.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Our enemies have made sure we can’t support ourselves by giving preferences to nonWhites in college admissions, scholarships, jobs and careers, housing, lending practices along with saddling us with onerous taxes to support nonWhite over-breeding and pay for anti-White schools that our children cannot attend because of nonWhite violence directed at us.
            Raising a family has become very difficult and expensive if not impossible for many young people. Safe places for Whites to raise a family are becoming scarce and exorbitantly expensive, we also must pay for private schooling for our children.

          • HJ11

            No one said that surviving and expanding is going to be easy, or that the way we lived as Whites when we were in the majority in the U.S. is going to work for us now or in the future. We need to adapt and fight back.

            We need to compete better on all levels, and we need to take back the initiative. One way we do that is by making more like ourselves.

          • Wayne

            There are more whites on Earth than there ever has been. We don’t need a population war with cockroaches. The roaches will win. We need solidarity, zero immigration, mass deportation, and wide open space for farming, water and minerals. Let the turd world breed themselves to the edge of the Petri dish.

          • HJ11

            There are fewer Whites today as a percentage of humans on the planet, and this is the important fact. We need to return to the way we used to breed–many children per each White woman.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Before Whites can “have more kids” we must feel safe, comfortable and secure in our own environment — an environment free from the evil, aggressive, anti-White genocidal agenda being waged against us, The White Race.

            The following MUST be stopped:

            *Mass flooding of non-Whites into White homelands.

            *FORCED integration of White living spaces by Third World parasites.

            *An end to the non-stop, hostile, anti-White propaganda spewed by the media and schools.

            Blaming Whites for not reproducing is akin to blaming the victim for the crime committed against him.

            Bon

          • Urial

            And stop using anti Christian pro Talmud queers as mods!!

          • KenelmDigby

            What we need to do is eradicate the present generation of political excrement who rule over us.
            – After that all is child’s play.

          • TruSeeker

            Your atheistic philosophy is a dead end street. You offer nothing.Your words are folly and best to be ignored.

          • HJ11

            Are you one of those people who hold up signs insulting dead veterans?

          • TruSeeker

            NO,unlike you i never insult the dead…why do you insist on insulting Venner? Hypocrite!!

          • HJ11

            I didn’t insult him. I am simply saying that suicide is not the way for us to move forward as a people. It just makes one less of us when we should be making many more of us.

          • Reality Calling

            “I didn’t insult him. I am simply saying that suicide is not the way for us to move forward as a people. It just makes one less of us when we should be making many more of us.”

            Frankly, you don’t know what you’re talking about, and you seem to have very poor ideas on how to lead (as is typical of the WN crowd). First, no one suggests that everyone run out and do the same as a way to move forward. Second, this old man did more for his people than you ever will. Knowing he was going to die (probably in obscurity) fairly soon, Venner gave his people one last gift, he committed an act that he hoped would galvanize the masses and draw attention to the subject of demographic displacement. Such acts have often changed history – from Jesus Christ to the man who set himself on fire and started the Arab Spring in Tunisia.

            Here is a great essay on this story that dispatches most of what you have had to to say on this thread. If you ever find yourself in a leadership position, please give it up to someone else. You are not good enough to lead.

            http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/05/suicide-in-the-cathedralthe-death-of-dominique-venner/

          • HJ11

            Well, perhaps you should follow your leader. Unlike you, I support life for White people, not death. I support teeming masses of Whites who are so full of vibrant, rambunctious life that they don’t have time to sit around contemplating their navels and whining about how “they” won’t let Whites rise to the top.

          • KenelmDigby

            Look.
            Suppose your ancestors copulated, copulated and copulated – and therefore bred.
            Suppose they were a race of abject cowards as well as being champion breeders.
            Suppose that a tougher, stronger race wer clever and took advantage of the ‘breeder’ race by capturing them and enslaving them. Thus the tough race lives a life of luxury whilst the breeders are whipped like dogs, work in the mines, fields – and clean up the poop.
            Well, precisely that scenario has repeated itself through thosands and thousands years of human history. If you can believe it or not, your White ancestors did precisely this to blacks 300 years ago.
            The Romans did it to Britons.
            Even insects do this. Ichneumon wasps use caterpillars as ‘living larders’. Ants enslave aphids.
            That’s the way it goes. Only the tough and ruthless live.
            The London beheader ape was one of the tough. The British people, in general, are wasp food, like the caterpillar.

          • HJ11

            So, the British people should all commit suicide because some caterpillars are living food for certain wasps? Is that your point?

            In a way, we’re in agreement, perhaps on this point: There is a struggle for survival in nature and that struggle is inherent in nature itself. In order to survive, there must be winners and losers.

            The difference in our views, I believe, is that you would say winning is dying with honor without having had children, and I say that winning is defined in expanding one’s personal and group genotype by having many children, and it doesn’t much matter how you do that so long as your genotype goes forward into the next generation.

            I would go further and say that those who die without having children are nature’s deadenders. They do not exist in our future. In the long view of time, whatever they accomplished in this life is for naught.

          • KenelmDigby

            Put it this way. The Congolese and the Bangladeshis lead the world in copulating and whelping offspring.
            They are hardly two nations I respect or admire.
            They are nothing and will never amount to anything, if it wasn’t the beyond-dumb Whites ‘saving’ them, they would have been reduced to eating each other long ago.
            What’s the point of getting into a breeding race with the trash of the World?
            In the final analysis, we (should) have weapons of mass destruction and they have not.

          • HJ11

            It doesn’t matter if you respect or admire them. They don’t care what you think.

            But, you do point out a flaw in some Whites that is part of our problem. The flaw is pathological altruism that causes some Whites to run around the planet trying to keep non-Whites alive.

            Whether this is inborn in some Whites or a product of so-called Western or Christian culture, I don’t know, and I haven’t seen any research on point. Whatever it’s cause, it is not doing us any good.

            As I’ve written elsewhere, this pathological altruism seems to be linked to universalist ethics rather than particularist ethics and maybe, therefore, and while thinking in terms of ethics, one can tentatively say that it is, indeed, a product of Western or Christian culture and is not genetic. I sure the hell hope it’s not genetic.

            We need to care about White people only. And, we need to not interfere in the destinies of non-White peoples in ways that ensure their survival.

          • TruSeeker

            Your pathological atheism ranks or reeks right alongside Pharisaism/Babylonian Talmud.

          • HJ11

            Ah, I didn’t write “pathological atheism,.” I wrote “pathological altruism.”

          • TruSeeker

            In my view those who have children and say there is no Christ are deadenders who hate their children.Though you gain the whole world and lose your soul what great accomplishment is that?

          • Morris LeChat

            God does not need man, man needs God. Man needs a reason for being, man needs to find a meaning in life. When sexual indulgence was sold as the highest value in the lives of western man, and when he bought that fallacy, he severed his connection with God, he has been withering on the vine ever since. The reawakening of western man must include a reconnection to God. The new nationalism must include a rebirth of religion, a reconnection of white mans importance and God’s plan for us and this world.

          • TruSeeker

            Thats what the Babylonian Talmud teaches…that their man-made laws are better than Moses ten commandments or the “Torah.”…that they are wiser than God.That is why the White man has Chosen Christ over JUdaism & Islam,both gutter religions seeking the genocide of Whites the world over.

          • HJ11

            Well, then, you are accepting something artiricial–a man made religion over genes. And, how you can conclude they hate their children because they don’t accept your religious view is really odd.

          • Icansee

            See..your disrespecting Venner again and yet the moderator approves by not removing your post.

          • HJ11

            Not disrespecting him at all. I do not see suicide as a way to further White interests. It just takes one of us, from us.

          • Reality Calling

            “Not disrespecting him at all. I do not see suicide as a way to further White interests. It just takes one of us, from us.”

            Yes, a 78 year old man who is about to die anyway should just sit around and die because….because he has more to do?

            His act garnered attention to the subject. It was the right thing to do. Venner was a brave hero.

          • TruSeeker

            Obviously your not as edecated as you boast to be…Man has a soul…to claim that he does is not being anti-racial.Ever hear of Christian Identity?….

            http://www.israelect.com/reference/JackMohr/

          • HJ11

            You know man has a soul because?

          • TruSeeker

            FAITH,or you may call it Blind Faith…and you know a man or woman or child dosen’t have a soul because?

          • HJ11

            Faith is your answer? I’ve heard that same answer from Muslims.

          • Reality Calling

            “Faith is your answer? I’ve heard that same answer from Muslims.”

            Ironic. Muslims are invading Europe and currently seem to be on the winning side of history.

          • Wayne

            So you discourage sodo-marriage then, right? To produce more kids, right?

          • HJ11

            You presume to speak for “probably everyone else reading this”?

            And, you suggest that I do not exist? That’s a silly attempt at an insult. Of course I exist. I am writing this.

          • Correct! The word probably is a presumption. I don’t need absolute proof, only a higher degree of probability. I could have been totally arrogant and written “and everyone else reading this,” but I like to save my arrogance for special occasions.

          • Morris LeChat

            he doesn’t

        • KenelmDigby

          As Shakespeare put it “The coward dies a thousand deaths, the brave dies but once”.
          To understand this you have to understand what the concept of ‘honor’ means.
          – There is more honor in the stinking, maggot infested bones of a fallen warrior, who died defending his nation than in the entire fat, bloated, flatulent body of FW De Klerk, for example.

          • HJ11

            And many of those who did not die for the abstract concept of “honor” survived and had children and those children will inherit the Earth. Who wins in the end? The one who has children. It is nature’s way.

          • KenelmDigby

            What we you rather be someone’s slave or a warrior?

          • HJ11

            False choice. One does not have to choose between being a slave or a warrior.

          • Brutus

            As long as someone else makes that choice, and chooses in favor of being a warrior, you may be right. But without warriors, a people will be enslaved. But “a rational army would run away.” Sometimes that which is not rational is simply necessary.

          • HJ11

            A rational army would fight to expand the genotype of its people and not some artificial values invented by man.

          • Morris LeChat

            yes, one does, life is a battle

          • HJ11

            Life is a “struggle” for survival and dominance. One doesn’t win the struggle by dying childless.

            And, that which must survive is ultimately the genetic code that each one of us carries. It is one with us and we are one with it. The way we help it survive is to have children. When it survives, we survive in it through our children.

            if one is enslaved,one is still alive and one can still breed. And, making many more like yourself is the best revenge.

          • Morris LeChat

            It is not what you live for, it is what you die for that is important. Venner made more impact for good with this action than he could have any other way. He has been speaking and advocating and writing for decades, he was a well known figure and his suicide caused more impact and will motivate more people than anything else he could have done at that moment. OF course, it is not rational for others, without the notoriety he had, to expect that their suicide will have the same affect.

        • YonLittleSwine

          HJ11, it’s not an either/or matter. The older ones can nobly make a point through their deliberate deaths; and the younger ones can breed.

          • Morris LeChat

            true, but he will not concede this.

      • Dr. Möbias

        Your first paragraph, unfortunately, spells out perfectly the end result of what will happen once Whites become a numerical minority in White homelands.
        What happened to Lee Rigby in England a few days ago will become the norm there, here in the U.S. and anywhere else Whites are lorded over by hostile nonWhites. The black monster that killed him was gloating about what he’d done to an “evil White” — he had blood dripping down his hands, for God’s Sake! HE is the interloper, not the White yet our leaders tell us to stay calm, this is an isolate event, not terror, we are safe, and etc.

        What’s important is to target who is doing this to us, who allowed these wretched savages into White lands specifically (I believe) to prey on White women, children and men?

        • Icansee

          I have tried that but the mod keeps removing my comments…the mods see to be very anti Christian and pro Talmud.

          • Laika, The Space Dog

            I’ve had plenty of my comments taken down too that spoke of “those who must not be spoken of.”
            We can blather away all we want but unless we target and expose our TRUE enemy, nothing is going to change.

        • KenelmDigby

          As I said before, there is only one key – liquidate the present generation of political excrement.
          It really is as simple as that.
          Everything else is irrelevent.

        • YonLittleSwine

          It looks to me like we did the “interloping” first (starting or supporting wars that were not our business to get involved in). Not defending the immigration policy at all, mind you, but what did that murderer say?

          • Dr. Möbias

            I agree 100% that we should keep our nose out of other country’s business. With that said, there is NO reason on earth for White homelands to be flooded with nonWhites. Japan has a violent colonial past yet no one is jumping up and down demanding the Japanese open their borders to Africans or Muslims because of “past bad acts.” This only applies to Whites and it is genocide.
            When countries such as Tibet are subjected to massive non-Tibetan flooding the UN calls it genocide, but in White homelands, including England, it is cheered on as restitution for past colonialism.
            No past act justifies the genocide of White children.

          • YonLittleSwine

            Okay, thanks.

      • YonLittleSwine

        I don’t know much about D. Venner, whether he has wife and children or not, but if he does, let’s be patient and see if they write a book about his life and death, wherein we might get more information about the man. All we saw was what appeared (to me) to be a noble, dramatic sacrifice: but the devil’s in the details. Let’s not rush to any judgment in any direction.

    • MikeofAges

      It all depends on who is doing it, and let’s leave the other civilizations out of it. It was okay for Bobby Sands, because the concept of the Irish rebel is one of the touchstones of the leftist-bohemian-counterculture nexus. Okay for Hunter Thompson, no explanation necessary. Eventually, it came to be seen as okay for Ernest Hemingway. Okay for other figures in Arts and Letters. Okay for lots of pop culture icons who, while they may not exactly have killed themselves, took dangerous endless streams of dangerous drugs without regard for the lethal risks. Or took other risks, as in the case of James Dean.

      But this man? I think there is something you dislike about his cultural stance. Your stance, I think, derives from the Northern pagan point of view that life inevitably is tragic and painful, but that you always endure and fight back no matter what suffering comes your way.

      • HJ11

        No, I don’t see life as tragic and painful. I see it as joyous and I love the struggle as much as some love a good game of chess.

        We Whites are too few on this dark planet and we need to change that. One does not win the struggle for existence by contracting, but by expanding.

        • MikeofAges

          Derives, or is tracable back to. As to the world struggle, I have no problem with the “good fences make good neighbors” idea. But you have to be serious about it.

          I don’t mind being a good neighbor. Recently, I bought parts to fix the brakes on one of our two cars. After getting back home, I got curious about where the steel brake rotors were made. I was unable to determine, but I realized that while the idea of buying Chinese-made parts bothered me, Mexican made was fine with me. Nothing against Mexicans at all, and I don’t mind helping a neighbor. Or having some living here. Some have always lived here, at least in Texas and California. But they have their own country, and their whole country does not belong here.

          And nothing against Chinese either. My own father flew in the Burma-China airlift, and when you get right down to it, I think there has been more actual friendship between the Americans and the Chinese than there ever was with the enigmatic Russians. The coal trains bringing Montana coal to the Western ports go right by my house. If we can sell the Chinese coal, great for us. But that does not eliminate the need for the necessary fences which define the whose land is where and what the traffic between the two sides is going to be.

          Another idea I have been working on is the idea that the “race for Africa” is what led to World War I and what has proved the possible undoing of Western civilizations. The civilizations of Asia were old civilizations which had known many masters in their histories, and were capable of suffering yet one more.

          Some people are troubled by the idea that India and China are setting up in Africa. I say fine, if they can handle it. Someone has to spin the wheels of commerce there and provide a little management. If they can do it without incurring the resentment and bringing the problems on themselves that whites suffered, that is probably to our benefit as well. We can buy the raw materials and sell to the market without suffering the burden of being the exploiter.

          • HJ11

            World struggle? Between nations? That is just a surface manifestation–similar to the ritual combat such as we also find in sports events.

            The real struggle is further upstream in the realm of the eternal DNA wars that all organisms are in..

            That which wants to survive in each organism is the DNA code that makes that organism. That DNA oode is programmed to try to survive and expand its kind over other competing kinds. That’s the source of the competition that plays out in organisms, including humans, in many surface way.

            One of the things that is needed to win the DNA wars is to have as many more children like yourself as possible. This increases the frequency of your genes in the gene pool and makes it more likely that your DNA code will dominate.

          • MikeofAges

            DNA does what it is programmed to do. In human DNA, the impetus to reproduce only with one’s identifiable type (or race) is not that strongly programmed. Both men and women give that up fairly readily if perhaps for different reasons.

            If you want to maintain a particular phyletic type, then ultimately you have to maintain a physical boundary between the place of habitation of one type and the place of habitation of the other. Differential reproduction today only means that there will be more of your genes in the future gene pool. But it emphatically does not guarantee that your type will prevail.

            Evolution is not as simple an idea as it seems. The traits that survive are those that lead to the preservation of the population or species whether any given individual survives to reproduce or not. For example, an inherited trait that would compel each individual to fight to the death against a certain predatory threat, if possessing that trait led to the survival of the species would, eventually would become prevalent if not universal.

            Generally, the higher the animal, the more value each individual has. But regardless of the species, life is always a chance, and that which has proven in the past to give the best chance is what survives.

            Then again, maybe a race that can no longer figure out what to do with can of Ajax or Vim or whatever and a brush, and get the people in the household or the office to take turns at it doesn’t deserve to live.

          • KenelmDigby

            What would you rather be?
            A rat whose prime talent in life is that it can breed and breed and breed or a lynx, a magnificent and noble hunter, who only needs to kill one rat per day, and then sleep off the remaining day?

          • HJ11

            You call a lynx a magnificent and noble hunter. That is your human view of the organism, nd is not necessarily nature’s. Nature views organisms as efficient or not efficient–and this includes the organism’s ability to survive and fill its niches with its genotype.

          • KenelmDigby

            The rat lives its short life (less than a year in nature), in a constanst sense of anxiety and panic lest it be eaten by a stronger animal. It’s always scurrying abot, hiding in bolt-holes, generally a miserable, fearful existence. Life barely worthy of life.

            – The lynx walks and struts proud. The small vermin scurry from him.

          • HJ11

            Again, you are putting your human sensibilities on to your definitions. A rat is perfectly adapted to the niches which it occupies and it does what nature has programmed it to do: make more like itself so that it expands its kind.

            A lynx may look nice to you, but is it a survivor? Is it spreading its kind far and wide or is it on its way to extinction?

            Perhaps the lynx will survive. Time will tell. In the long view of history, and as the planet goes through constant changes, today’s successful creature may become tomorrow’s failed experiment

            I don’t have a crystal ball, but I do know that there is a higher probability of an organism surviving in some form if it breeds more like itself. With numbers come more chances of mutations that may help the organism survive.

          • a multiracial individual

            [With numbers come more chances of mutations that may help the organism survive.]

            This fact of nature is being witnessed right before our eyes. I read an article the other day regarding issues in pest control. Since the mid 1980s, pest companies have been employing glucose-poison traps to kill cockroaches. They had been largely effective for 25+ years. However, a tiny percentage of roaches were born with a revulsion to glucose. This trait helped them survive and pass that characteristic on to future generations. After 25 years of this trend, their numbers have grown significantly. This has forced pest companies to hire entomologist to get back to the drawing board. Most people think that cockroaches are an “inferior” species. Maybe they are. They did outlive the dinosaurs, and they will probably outlive every vertebrate species on this planet. Value laden language makes no sense in biology.

          • Brutus

            I think that you will find, that by rejecting telos in general, you reject any reason for anyone to value the survival of his race. Although you think that you are pro-White, you actually seem to accept the underlying value system of the anti-Whites.

          • HJ11

            The value system I accept is the one that has Whites expand always and contract never and to eventually take the next big evolutionary step and become a new species incapable of mating with darker humans.

          • We have no lynx, but we have instead a fox who thinks he’s a dog.

            I would rather be a highly-paid chemical engineer with a Japanese wife. Instead, I am an unemployed former-chemist with a Japanese wife. Friends of ours have a bobcat.

            Which would I rather be? A convicted federal felon on the Terrorist Watch List.

          • KenelmDigby

            If my children would grow up to be abject, black-whipped cowards (which unfortunately 99% of White children seem to be), I’d rather cave their heads in with a hammer at birth than let them live.
            If that be the way, I’d be happy to see my germ line die forever and ever.

          • HJ11

            The first rule of all life is to survive. You apparently don’t subscribe to that view.

          • HJ11

            Now look at that. Four votes down. Who in the world are the four (or the one person I suspect who votes multiple times) commenters who do not understand the basic first rule of all life is to survive?

          • HJ11

            I think you take too short a view of history. Your children are just one step forward for your line. If you don’t think they’re worthy, wait a few more generations and they may bear children who you would consider worthy.

            History tells us that great geniuses and leaders pop up in family lines here and there down through the ages. Not everyone in the line is going to be a great genius or leader–because nature shuffles our genes a little differently with each birth.

          • Dr. Möbias

            We don’t have a few generations. Our ruthless enemies in the government, media and academia are in the process of genociding us. We’re losing and they’re winning. Our countries are being flooded non-Whites who are told repeatedly that Whites are the cause of their misery, poverty and failures. We are being set up as inhuman monsters not worthy of life.

            Once nonWhites lord over us completely and we are a numerical minority, they WILL kill us off, as they are in SA. This process will spread everywhere Whites dwell and NO ONE will come to our defense — as we’ve come to the defense of other races facing genocide, Jews, blacks in Africa even Tibetans in Tibet. NonWhites under threat of harm from other races = condemnation, military action, UN intervention, the label of genocide. Same thing happens to Whites? Silence, if not praise.

            Venner knew this, saw it and reacted. I pass no judgment on his action, only understanding.

          • HJ11

            Our countries are being flooded with non-Whites because we’re not erecting a wall of our own people–because we are not making enough of our kind.

            Just as we Whites took over America from a low breeding American indian population, we are now being taken over.

            We must make more like ourselves.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            There was no “take over” of America from the American Indian population. There was no America before Whites created it. The American Indians were bands of stone-age tribes declaring eternal war on each other.

          • HJ11

            There was a continent here. It doesn’t matter what it was called.

            Whites were not here, Indians were. The Indians did not breed to fill this land with themselves. We Whites then came here and filled it with our people.

            That’s the way of nature. Breed to fill lands with your kind, or others will come and fill that land with theirs.

            Just as nature abhors a vacuum, it also abhors empty or underpopulated lands.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Regardless, it doesn’t justify flooding White countries with non-Whites from the 3rd world.
            Nothing justifies the current, ongoing genocide and dehumanization against the White race.

          • HJ11

            Of course nothing justifies it. I was just pointing out how nature works and how we have to be mindful of these working of nature and use our brains to consciously ensure that we Whites are the ones who come out on top.

            And, to come out on top means that we have to be the majority, not the minority. This means we have to breed and make millions more like ourselves.

            In one sense it really is a numbers game.

          • YonLittleSwine

            That is a nasty way to kill babies. Can’t you come up with something more merciful and far less messy?

          • Dr. Möbias

            The source of any competition between races is for resources.

            Land, water, food, etc. are finite or come in limited quantities. When masses of 3rd world hoards are imported into the U.S., they compete with us for resources which we White have developed and which belong to us. W/o these resources for sustenance, we will cease to exist as a people. DNA wars cannot be won unless there is control of resources to sustain a breeding population.

            This is what we Whites are losing and what it will come down to in the end.

      • OlderWoman

        Hunter Thompson was insane. Hemingway was an alcoholic. They didn’t commit suicide for any noble cause.

        • MikeofAges

          You slightly miss the point. The issue is that of what the cultural attitude toward the act is. That varies around the world, you know. By the way, I don’t think Hunter Thompson was insane. We really don’t know what his motive was. It may have been a sudden impulse. Or even have been an accident. Clinically, Thompson more likely would have been regarded as having a behavior or character disorder, with an addictive or substance abuse component, I imagine.

        • NM156

          Hunter Thompson was an alcoholic in poor health at the time of his suicide.

    • IstvanIN

      This man was beyond child rearing years, and perhaps this was the most dramatic way he could think of to bring the plight of his people to the forefront of discussion. I agree suicide isn’t the best course of action but I understand his sadness at the future of his people.

      • HJ11

        Child rearing is different than child bearing. Males can have children late in life.

        • IstvanIN

          Which is why I said child rearing. Should a man of 70 have a baby? The life expectancy of a male is just under 80. Most ten year olds are not independent.

          • HJ11

            Some of our best people have been born to older fathers and younger mothers. So what if the father dies at 80? The child will live on and that’s the point of having children.

          • IstvanIN

            Isn’t it better to be around for one’s children until they are adults, and perhaps beyond? I wouldn’t ban older men from having children, but I do not think it is a good idea, and certainly not ideal. Maybe we should go back to having children in our 20s and 30s.

            In addition I believe it is better for children to have both a mother and father whenever possible.

          • HJ11

            Nature has engineered our species so that a woman gets all of her eggs at one time. This offers some stability to the genotype. It has engineered men to produce new sperm every day up until they die of old age. This is to allow for mutations so that the new child can adapt to ever changing conditions.

          • YonLittleSwine

            Re some of our best people being born to older fathers. That is correct, but there’s a point of diminishing returns. The older a mother or father is, the greater a chance their reproductive cells are damaged in one way or another. Particularly in these days of widespread pollution of the bloodstream as a reflection of poisoning of the environment in general, by which I’d include ingestion of various drugs over many decades by an old man or oldish still-fertile woman. By that I include prescription drugs.

          • HJ11

            Nature has put a clock inside each of us that tells us when we can bear children and we can no longer bear children. I trust nature in this regard.

  • Like HJ11, I can’t see this poor man as a hero. He gave into despair and lost all hope. In the process of self-murder, he desecrated a Catholic Church. He might as well as spit on the altar. in the matter of his death, he showed no respect for his Creator or his Creator’s holy things.

    • whiteyyyyy

      He was a white nationalist, not a white Christian. If you want only people who share your views on morality, you’re asking and expecting too much. They’res no etiquette involved. Europe would not exist if whites had been paralysed by morality and fairplay. Thats the tool being used to destroy Europe, this ridiculous concept of tolerance, human rights etc. If his death inspires, its a good thing.

      • I do believe this is exactly how Mr. Venner viewed the current state of religious pandering to incorporate a universal creed. I don’t care if it is someone’s mother, father, grandmother, children, dog, or even their religion; if they participate or just sit idly by while others rape my heritage and inhibit my choice for racial autonomy, they deserve every ounce of disrespect I can muster. If your religion tells you to accept race replacement and just go with the flow, then you need a new religion.

        • whiteyyyyy

          We’re on the same page. Race first, religion optional. I’m Catholic/agnostic. My problem is with the ” what would jesus do” nationalists. They want white nations, but reserve the right to criticize un-christian actions. Eventually it will require actions that exceed Venners. Christianity is too universalist for my taste.

        • TruSeeker

          SO DO YOU DISRESPECT THE MODS for removing posts that educate those about the Talmud…if not,then you are part of the problem as well.

      • bigone4u

        “No one knows better than I do how far heaven is, but I also know all the shortcuts. The secret is to die, when you want to, and not when He proposes. Or else to force Him to take you before your time.”
        ― Juan Rulfo, Pedro Páramo

    • rollo clevich

      Notre Dame is desecrated millions of times of year by giggling, chomping, farting shorts-wearing, miniskirt-wearing tourists. If anything, Venner reconsecrated the site by his sacrifice.

  • Lygeia

    I think what you can get from this is, wow, people are really unhappy with an assault of different cultures and sexual practices.

    Different cultures and people can get along, but if it is an tsumani-wave invasion that allows the invaded culture no ability to stabilize, the people in the invaded culture destabilize as well, into mental illness as it appears in the case of Mr. Venner.

    • GM (Australia)

      If there was any hint of mental illness it would be called depression, possibly brought on by despair about what is happening to our once great civilization.

      I would also suggest that the present epidemic levels of clinical depression in the western world are aggravated in part by the constant bombardment of the population by our dumbed-down left-leaning trashy media.

  • OlderWoman

    With his ‘pagan leanings’ he chose the perfect place to suicide himself. He is something of a hero to me. He understood on a deep, deep level how our society is destroying itself to allow for the sickest of perversions.

    • Pan Europa

      Can you remember when you became so decrepid and bitter?

      • NM156

        Jerry Lewis? A ha! You’re French.

    • NM156

      I wonder if he had terminal cancer.

  • HJ11

    I see some on here arguing that this man’s suicide is somehow going to help us survive as a distinct people. To me, this is an argument that speaks of feebleness and comes, perhaps, from a lack of mental strength, energy and force.

    Some of these folks also seem to argue that it is our culture that is important and our physical genes are less important. The reality is that without our physical genes we would not exist and our culture would never have come into being. If we cease to exist, will we go into non-existence happy that people who do not share our genes–say Blacks–inherit our culture?

    Substituting products of the genes for the genes themselves is an error in thinking.

    • You could have summed up your point quite nicely by just saying if you stop breathing, you stop existing. That’s all you are saying. Well, that and the odd declaration that some people here believe that culture is more important that our genes(race). That’s a really odd statement to make on a site where there is a very apparent consensus that the whole of a culture is dictated by race and genetic predispositions. One man sacrificing his life to shock others into action doesn’t change that.

      • Gwynn Ap Nudd

        His position, that a human being is just a genes way of replicating itself, is one of extreme reductionism, and represent the inhuman aspect of scientism (not science). This kind of thing doesn’t help us at all. Culture is mediated by race certainly. But White people have had very different cultures at different times.

        • HJ11

          Are you saying that if Whites go extinct, that’s fine because we’ve left behind some books, art, philosophies, etc.? And, further, that this should make us happy because, say, Blacks then get to read what we wrote and look at our art?

          • The only person saying that or implying that is you.

          • HJ11

            Nope. What I’m saying is that the strong survive and the weak die. And who are the strong? They are the ones who survive. Yes,that sounds like a circular argument, but that’s the way of nature. There is no honor in dying.

          • I’m gonna go out on a limb and say that there is no honor in you, period. You sound extremely shallow and self-centered. Death Before Dishonor resonates with me more than your run like a sissy if it means you’ll live another day vibe.

            It doesn’t just sound like circular logic, it is circular logic. You’re talking simple platitudes and trying to make yourself seem deep. Yeah, the people that live are the living, and the people that die are the dead. Any more brilliant nuggets of genius you care to share?

          • HJ11

            Actually, I’m a former combat Marine. I’ve been and done. Don’t lecture me about honor. How about you? Have you ever been in the military? Ever shot at, and been shot at? Ever hear rounds whistling past your ears? Ever see death up close? I was also recruited one time to be a contractor, but I turned it down because I had just met a girl who I married.

            I side with my fellow Marine, two time Medal of Honor winner, Smedley Butler, who said: “War is a racket.”

            Oh, by the way, I’m also in MENSA.

            Our goal as Whites should be to develop strong minds in strong bodies.

          • HJ11

            I forgot to mention that I’ve also written several books. and have an advanced degree.

            I usually try not to mention these things, and let my posts speak for themselves, but since you wanted to get into childish insults, well….

            So, please tell us a little about yourself, with the insults you’re making, I’m sure everyone is curious about you.

          • Should I be impressed? I was a FORECON Sniper and was a member of MENSA. Of course, this is the Internet, so I can be just about anything I want to be. Right?

            Now that the formalities are out of the way, how about you tell me more about this living people are alive and dead people are dead concept of Whiteness.

          • HJ11

            You can pretend to be what you’re not, but your words give you away.

            You want me to tell you “about this living people are alive and dead people are dead concept of Whiteness”? Perhaps you can rephrase that question in a rational way, for a rational answer?

          • Which words would those be?

            There’s no more rational way for me to ask. Your position has been nothing more than dead people are dead and people that are alive are living. Living are strong, dead are weak. You have even gone so far as to insinuate that some people believe Mr. Venner’s action is somehow a call for White people to start killing themselves en masse. And then, if I’m not mistaken, you suggested that a 78-year-old man should be fathering children instead of using his body and mind in a way that he believes will make more of a difference.

            You really haven’t said anything earth shattering. In fact, I could get the same message if I traveled to sub-Saharan Africa. They breed. Not a lot of thinking or a plan outside of that.

          • HJ11

            There is a very basic concept here that seems to allude you: We Whites do not survive if we are dead. It doesn’t really matter if we leave behind books and art and culture if we are not here–these things are artificial and are not the real us.

            And, yes, a 78-year-old man should be fathering children if he can bring healthy new White children into the world.

            We are not facing genocide because there are too many White people, but because there are too few of us.

          • For someone who claims to have written many books, you sure do seem to have a primitive concept of survival and basic reasoning. There are more White people alive today than 100 years ago. We are not facing genocide right now as much as we are facing opposition to an ideology that promotes the White race as a foundation for nation building. One billion White people being dropped onto the planet does absolutely nothing if those people start promoting multicultural agendas and work toward their own racial insignificance. If you can’t instill in them a sense of urgency and a mentality that extreme measures are sometimes justified, then you do nothing by procreating other than serve up new White faces who will throw their genes into the multicultural cesspool and become foot soldiers for the anti-Whites.

            Yes, once White majority nations are no longer the numerical majority, then you will see a dramatic decline in the number of White people on the planet. That doesn’t change the fact that you need people who are committed and willing to go to extremes, not just people for the sake of having people.

            If White people aren’t alive, then they are dead. Tell me something I don’t already know. If those White people who are alive are nothing more than vessels for multicultural/multiracial agendas, then they are just as dead.

          • HJ11

            Of course there are more White people now than a 100 years ago. But the percentage of Whites as compared to other races is smaller, and that’s the important thing to remember.

          • HJ11

            Not many books, just several.

          • GM (Australia)

            How do we know your credentials are true???

            On the lighter side you have said “War is a racket”, yes many have done very well out of war but I am waiting for the time to come when the government decides to sell exclusive TV rights for some future conflict! (To help finance it)

          • HJ11

            Well, of course there is no way to know. And, frankly, I don’t even like trotting those things out–or some of my other bonafides, that I didn’t mention–and only do it rarely and when I get some character suggesting a lack of honor or cowardice or lack of critical thinking on my part.

            And, when I do trot them out, some character does a quick google search to come up with a few relevant terms and then shoots back that, by golly, he’s also been and done.

    • KenelmDigby

      The difference between me and you is that I put a higher value on ‘honor’ than on the perpetuation of life.
      I realise that ‘different folks have different strokes’, but so be it.

      • HJ11

        Define honor.

  • GM (Australia)

    A number of posts on this site seem to be critical of M.Venner’s opposition to homosexual marriage, why?

    Legalized homosexual marriage is just a slap in the face for what last bit of decency that still exists in our society. Promotion of homosexuality and our obsession with it is simply another indication of a civilization in decay.

    Homosexuals are very much the minority in our society, 3% or less of adult males, but they seem to have an undue influence with our policy makers, perhaps this is because they are over represented in both the media and entertainment industries.

    Another post has mentioned that homosexuality is no longer considered to be a mental illness, perhaps not, but many homosexuals do continue to go to psychiatric clinics in order to get treatment for their condition. They just want to be normal, have a relationship with an attractive woman and have children of their own, not something out of a test tube or dodgy adoption.

    Also, many posts on this site have criticized his suicide, all I can say it is tragic, very tragic but we should not judge a great man on this.

    • ModiisaFag

      Bigger question is why does the closet Semite mod let the queers comments stand while removing comments that are critical of their comments. If you show how queer the talmud us the closet fag,er mod…removes such comments.

      • GM (Australia)

        Dear Moderator, I think the above comment is having a very unkind go at you!

        Modisafag: This site is all about polite intelligent debate and more importantly this particular post should be a tribute to a great man who has made himself a martyr to a cause he passionately believed in, that is the survival of White Western Civilization.

        • TruSeeker

          How polite is it too disrespect Venner by removing comments that do give tribute to a great man that not only defended the survival of White Western Civilization but literally of Christianity it self!! Without Christianity there is no civilization!! To post facts on other religions like Talmudism & Islam is giving tribute to Venner.You are the one who is disrespecting him! Are u jewish?

          • GM (Australia)

            Your comment makes very little sense. No I am not a Jew but together with most of my family, am a practicing Christian. We support Israel. We are all concerned that our once white nominally Christian Australia is virtually being overrun with Muslims, Asians, Indians and more recently Africans. That is why I post on this forum.

          • TruSeeker

            Christ said one can not serve him and the devil too…Israel is most responsible for Australia being overrun with muslims,asians,indians & africans…they are the leaven that makes the dough rise. You have much to learn for you have been deceived.

        • Right

          Give me Truth & Honesty…politeness be damned!!

        • RightAgain

          Venner was a Cjhristian…why cant you respect that!!

  • Gwynn Ap Nudd

    Was it Mitterand who told the Muslims “You have contributed as much to Europe as Christianity”? Despicable.

    In other news, these folks say that Hillary is going to come out as a Bisexual.

    http://gopthedailydose.com/2013/05/25/hillary-clinton-to-confirm-bisexuality-in-upcoming-book/

    • bigone4u

      Guilliame Faye was a presenter at the 2006 AmRen Conference. His 2011 book, Sex and Perversion, I believe it’s called, lays out the case for rejecting homosexuality, lesbianism, and bisexuality in a functioning white society. AmRen reviewed the book a year or two ago. Mrs. Clinton is in reality a lesbian who stayed with a man solely to advance her political career. She is possibly even more morally challenged than hubby Bill. Her lesbianism has been an open secret in Washington for years. My lesbian Dean trumpeted it back in the 90s when she went to work for Bill.

      • IstvanIN

        I am no fan of Hilliary Clinton, and I would not be surprised she stayed with Bill Clinton because of political reasons, look at her, she got two first lady jobs, a Senator’s job and a Secretary of State job out of the deal, not to mention millions of dollars, but calling her a lesbian seems comes across as a case of name calling.

        • TruSeeker

          Would adulterer suffice?…Vince Foster

      • TruSeeker

        Of course Faye never laid out the case who was most responsible for promoting homosexuality,lesbianism,and bisexuality…

      • NM156

        Nah, any revelation that she had lesbo encounters in college is just a ploy to keep the queer base motivated. Every small voting bloc counts when elections are so tight. After Benghazi, she’ll need all the help she can get. Hillary, is a bland, sexless woman, which is just the type to experiment with groping other women in a college environment.

      • David Ashton

        Did he have bi-sex with that woman?

    • edwina

      what astounded me was hearing that Scarlett Johannsen might play hilary………

      talk about phony………….. hilary was always plain at best. Scarlett is a beauty.

      • a multiracial individual

        Many people around here will not like her because they believe in the kosher-boogeyman.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Maybe there is a damn good reason to believe in the “kosher-boogeyman.” You need to educate yourself, son.

          • a multiracial individual

            I get it. “They” are liberal, and “they” are ethnocentric. Does that mean they are trying to ruin White civilization as some group survival strategy? It sounds suspect to me. However, to be fair, I will add MacDonald to my reading list.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            In answer to your question, yes.

            To help you get started: http://www.velesova-sloboda.org/archiv/pdf/macdonald-jewish-involvement-in-intellectual-and-political-movements.pdf

            Happy reading and Cheers. I’d love to discuss this with you and get your impressions of KMac’s work but for obvious reasons I cannot leave my e mail open on this site.

    • NM156

      “President P*ssy Licker”. Yay. Maybe Bill had a reason for his misadventures…

  • ModisaJew

    veneer dies for Europe while the closet Semite moderator deletes post that identify who is destroying Europe.

    • edwina

      to me it is obvious that muslim/islam plus some liberal natives are what is destroying europe.

      this moderator doesn’t let that opinion be said? or is there another opinion you hold?

      • HonestyNotNice

        Jews/Zionism is the leaven that makes the dough rise.Behind every progressive,liberal policy that seeks to subvert & control every institution you will find jews at the head of the table.But why take my word for it?You can simply read Israeli newspapers for yourself or listen to the words of Barbara Lerner Spectre. According to the mod it is his or her job to be biased,according to Jared’s rules.If you haven’t noticed this bias you haven’t been very observant.

    • IstvanIN

      Every site has its own rules for posting, if you don’t like the rules here you can always start your own.

      • 4giveThem4TheynonotWhatTheySay

        Do you like the rules of our present govt? If not,you can always leave America….Istvan,i expect better from you.

        • IstvanIN

          That is a very bad example. I was born here, my family is here, this is my nation. A website is something very different from nation and kin.

  • HJ11

    I’ve seen one frequent commenter on here who shows up on other sites and, here, as there, he posits a philosophy that holds that death is good if you somehow have “honor” as he defines honor.

    This frequent commenter then tries to vote down those who posit a philosophy of life, new birth and expansion for our people. So, when you see a lot of negative votes showing up when some of us say that we White people must expand our numbers, you are probably seeing the handiwork of that frequent commenter.

  • I think that it is a great mistake to kill ones self when there are so many around us that should die first.

    • Morris LeChat

      M Venner’s suicide did more to raise consciousness than a killing spree would have. A killing spree, at this point, would have been counter productive and would be used to vilify white people. I agree though, at this point, I hope to die on the battlefield one day. Like most white people, I want the fight.

      • IstvanIN

        yes, a killing spree would just make people say; “oh look, whites are so evil”. Funny how killing sprees by blacks and muslims are never presented as the whole group being evil.

        • edwina

          that’s what an evil media and corrupt politicians can do for you

      • Yes, you are correct as far as that goes, but I need to clear up one small point – I did not say anything about a “killing spree”. By the way, has anybody noticed how bad all of the violence is making the Muslims & blacks look? I guess we left all of those US ( English, French, German, Swiss…) cities because they were so polite to us mean ol’ white folk?! Well, maybe I’m just being an old grouch, I get that way sometimes.

  • HJ11

    There is an attitude I see here from some that is alien to me and always has been.

    I can sum it up this way: When I was a kid, I heard adults talking about putting down a pet dog and justifying it by saying that it was better for the dog. Better? Death is better than life? Non-existence is better than existence? Yes, I know some will now say that the dog may have been in pain, etc. and I understand that, but the basic idea that death and non-existence is somehow better than life and existence is something that I will never accept.

    This, of course, relates to this article about a man committing suicide because things in the world weren’t going as he would like. Well, to me that’s a waste of a White life, a White life that could be doing good for Whites. And, I’ll quickly add, that things aren’t going the way I would like in this world either. I want to see all White nations–lands without a single non-White, but I know that this is something that we must struggle to obtain. And, I know that struggle is eternal, so I’ve come to love the struggle.

    But the struggle isn’t always on a battlefield or to see who is physically stronger, although these may be part of it. No, the real struggle is about surviving and expanding and becoming the dominant genotype-to be the most successful type of human. To win this struggle–which is our case is with other humans who are unlike us–means that we also need to be smart enough to know that we must make more like ourselves. And, if we, in this generation, don’t become the winners, then maybe our children in the next generation, or their children in the one after that will win for us. And, if they win, and if they are of our genotype, we will still exist within them.

    • Morris LeChat

      you do not understand the world

      • HJ11

        Explain.

    • IstvanIN

      You can not compare dogs and people. Pets live much longer lives than feral animals and as such are more likely to die of the ravages of old age rather than a quick death from a predator or accident. A pet that is suffering and can not be helped probably should be put down. In the wild a very sick dog would probably be killed by another animal when it lost the ability to run or fight.

    • edwina

      some things are worse than death.

      his death, by his own hand, seemed to do what he wanted it to do.
      I respect his decision and action.
      I’m not sure if I agree with it.

    • Vyncennt

      You make a good point yet neglect to address the fact that this particular white man likely had little life left. What impact a man may have on the world around him must be weighed against what impact he is physically able to have on the world around him.

      If he were 30 years old I would be forced to protest his decision as he would have been cutting short his potential impact by a far greater measure than his public death would have provided. Yet in this case, his public death is far likely to overshadow any further good he would have implemented in the limited time he had left on this Earth.

  • IstvanIN

    Perhaps Mr. Venner could have arranged protests marches of other older people. It is very bad press for governments to manhandle and shoot old people. Plus old people are generally retired and have the time and don’t have to worry about losing their job or custody of their children. Fill the streets of Paris with old folks protesting the death of their nation.

    It was my understanding that one of the things that finally got the Soviet Union out of Afghanistan were protest marches by the mothers of dead soldiers. Governments have no problems gunning down men, but even the communists were afraid to start taking out large numbers of grieving mothers.

    • Morris LeChat

      extreme times call for extreme measures. Organizing a protest march really is not that strong a statement.

      • IstvanIN

        It is a start.

      • Juggernaut3000

        Try organizing a pro-white march in the U.S. to promote white civil rights, against black crime, against massive non-white immigration and see how far we get.

        • Nathanwartooth

          Probably the same thing that happens every time?

          The crazy lefties will start attacking you and then the press will just smear you, call you Nazi’s and look the other way when a counter protester hits you in the head with a rock.

          It’s a pattern that repeats itself. Nothing gets people worked up in more of a frenzy than “fighting racists”. They will think anything that they do to you is legal and right, since you are pure evil.

          I’m not saying that it’s a bad idea, it’s just that the ending is predictable.

  • Bobby

    One thing I am sure of, the leftists in France, are crying, oops, I mean celebrating.

  • bigone4u

    Since some comments are critical of Mr. Venner’s suicide, you might enjoy reading a spirited defense of his action here:

    http://www.counter-currents.com/2013/05/suicide-in-the-cathedralthe-death-of-dominique-venner/

  • EvetteC

    @ Morris. You should reconsider you sense of moral value. To suggest that sex is an indulgence, and that it is somehow a lower activity does not bear out in fact nor philosophy. Sexual motivation is the drive to pass on our genetic to subsequent generations. I can think of no greater moral imperative. That Kinsley was a bisexual has nothing to do with it. In the truest sense, homosexuals are at the bottom of the moral rung precisely because their genetic strategy fails to pass on their genetics. From a practical perspective, whites are losing the genetic race because of our low birth rate. Minority groups are genetically out competing whites via a superior reproductive strategy. In part, it is because all too many whites see sexual drive as a base motivation that is somehow morally inferior to other more noble pursuits. that whites are losing the most morally important competition, survival of the fittest, suggests that whites should reassess their moral strategies and along them with one’s that increase their genetic competitiveness. In the end, there is only truth, if you go the way of the Shakers, who went extinct because of their distaste for sexuality, you and you rgenetics lose. All the talk of greater purpose adds up to nothing.

    • IstvanIN

      In the truest sense, homosexuals are at the bottom of the moral rung
      precisely because their genetic strategy fails to pass on their
      genetics.
      Wouldn’t this definition of the bottom rung of morality include Mother Theresa and Pope John Paul II, or in fact anyone who doesn’t have children voluntarily?

      • Nathanwartooth

        Yes, especially when you consider there is nothing stopping homosexuals from reproducing.

        • Vyncennt

          The fact that homosexuals have not “bred” themselves out of existence, for lack of a better word, often leads me to question if homosexuality is really a genetic difference or an environmental one.

          Either way, their presence is too small to offend any of my own racial sensibilities therefore as long as they remain firm along racial/national lines (and leave their sexual preference where they belong) I leave them out of my thoughts.

          • NM156

            They don’t remain firm among racial/national lines. Their political symbol is the rainbow of diversity.

      • EvetteC

        Harsh is somewhat of an emotional response to a very practical question. Genetically, Pope John Paul II and Mother Theresa lose. It is a simple fact. Harsh has nothing to do with it. It is fact. We, as all life on this planet, are in a genetic struggle for survival. This is fact. It is ultimately the most grounded foundation of morality. Any moral or philosophical value system that goes counter to this reality, that has you place the genetic survival of others before yourself and your own kind is a corrupt form of ethics. And in the end, those who subscribe to such a system die off and others with a superior genetic strategy win. I think too often we confuse kindness with morality. Genetics is not kind nor unkind (it simple is), but genetics is our real moral and biological imperative.

    • Juggernaut3000

      Minority groups are genetically out-competing whites because whites are forced to PAY FOR and support their mindless breeding while WE are punished with higher taxes, exorbitant housing prices to live in safe areass and AA enforcement that prevents us from high-paying careers and career advancement
      Without whites to support them, nonWhite numbers would fall precipitously.

      • Vyncennt

        This is an argument I make all of the time. I often see blacks and Hispanics with many children and it is immediately evident how the cope with they extra burden:

        There is ALWAYS someone home to “watch” the children, although I use that term loosely.

        There is ALWAYS someone else subsidizing their food, utilities, and housing.

        There is ALWAYS a publicly funded safety net to catch their never ending rain of reproduction.

        Many whites do not have these advantages. Those slovenly few who do, if you pay attention, often DO have many children. It is not a coincidence.

        • HJ11

          So, you seem to be saying that Blacks and Hispanics are outbreeding us by taking advantage of the system and you believe that we Whites are too good for that, so we should hold down our birthrates so we don’t take advantage of the system.

          Why should we Whites be worried about the system? It is no longer our system. We should be taking advantage of it. We should breed like crazy or we’re going to go extinct.

          We need more White people, not fewer, and our loyalty should not be to a system or outdated ethics that no longer ensure our survival as a distinct people. Our loyalty should be to our own people.

          Good must be redefined in a particularist sense, not the present universalist one that too many Whites think (wrongly) is somehow a part of our genetics.

          What is good for Whites–for our survival, for our expansion and for our domination of the niches in which we live–is good. Period.

          Anything that hinders our survial, slows down or stops our expansion and our domination of the niches in which we live is bad. Period.

          • Vyncennt

            An interesting take on on my post. I’d not thought of it in quite those terms. I hadn’t considered weighing the means of unfettered reproduction versus the consequences of not employing those means.

            But…

            If all whites were to partake of the welfare buffet in order to increase their numbers, and assuming that was even permitted by our government (which does not seem to be the case), would that not violate one of the very principles that constitutes being white? Therefore defeating the original purpose?

          • HJ11

            What White principle does that violate? I say it violates nothing that is authentically White.

            We need to strip away centuries of veneers to get to our essential Whiteness. We Whites have often been too eager to accept certain attitudes as essential as to who we are. This one about not using the system is one example.

            And, as I indicated above, we SHOULD use the system. The government can’t deny us that use based on our race. If we need government payments to have more children, then so be it. The goal isn’t to avoid government payments, but to have more children of our kind.

      • EvetteC

        Everything you say is absolutely true and unquestionable fact. However, it is irrelevant. White population is down to 15% of the earths population and projected to drop to 8% by 2060. In the United States, white birth rate is not even at replacement (at 1.4). In Russia, Vladimir Putin formed the Nashi youth group in part to address this issue. One its goals is to increase white Russian birth rate. In China, they are working feverishly to improve their genetic procreation by identifying, selecting gamete DNA with the greatest potential for intelligent, and allowing parents to select those traits. It is projected to increase IQ by 10 points a generation among Chinese. When surveyed, Americans considered it immoral. The Chinese feel the opposite. To them it is without question the right thing to do. We are importing and breeding low intelligent by the hoard. Others are placing good genetics in the fast lane to success. It is obvious why whites are losing.

  • me

    Dominique Venner was a true man, a true patriot, a true tribal warrior, and a brave truth-speaker. He made the ultimate sacrifice and ultimate protest against our descent into madness, corruption, evil, and passive apathy. May he rest in peace.

    • TruSeeker

      Amen.

  • je suis paganisme

    This reaffirms my commitment to a refined paganism as the way out of our trouble.
    Venner is right about Christianity—it makes no provision for a national or racial identity.

    • Vyncennt

      “it makes no provision for a national or racial identity.”

      And it should not have to. Should a nation of white German Christians and a nation of white French Christians be merged under a Christian flag? A national identity must be maintained by nothing other than the true citizens of that nation.

      A provision for a racial identity at first appears to be a reasonable suggestion. Yet do any us really care if a sect of Arabs are practicing Christians? Who am I to say that Christianity is for me yet not for you. My lands should be my own, and my race should remain untampered with, but religion is for none to claim.

      Christianity can not be the glue that holds white Western nations together, nor must it be the wedge that drives us apart. A strong sense of geographical, cultural, and racial identity has created the most advanced nations on Earth and nothing else will maintain their strength besides that which created it.

      • je suis paganisme

        True enough, Vynce. But let me argue for the New Testament: The New Testament exhorts us to “love the Brethren” with no qualifications. So the Brethren could indeed be Christian Arabs or Somalis. And we are exhorted to love them, “as Christ loved us.” That means . . . sacrfice. Sacrifice of time and money. For people who are not our genetic brethren.

        I don’t like that. Treat them with respect, yes. But not to “love them as God loved us.” To treat them as God loved us would mean to sacrifice that which is most dear to us, even our own children.

        As Jean-Yves Le Gallou states, Venner did not like it either.
        He considereded it a time-bomb in the Christian scheme, and so do I. A kingdom of Heaven, a diverse group in which there is “neither male mor female, Greek nor Jew, free nor slave ” that is supposed to be the most important thing in the world, a pearl of great price for which a man will sell everything, and even forsake his own family—this militates against any natural, cultural or racial identity.

  • Andrew isaacs

    R.ip , may ur life and legacy be immortal

  • Andrea Tothe Infinitepower

    http://ivarfjeld.com/2013/05/18/eu-makes-sexual-perversion-a-human-right/

    If you say homosexuality is perverted, you will be fined and prosecuted.

    But homos can say you’re “sick in the head with phobia” if you don’t support ‘gay marriage’.

  • Frank Wheeler

    Dominique Venner did not die. Europe is the one that died. Vive Venner!

  • Tom Sunic

    These are good pieces on D. Venner by Michel Geoffroy and
    Jean-Yves Le Gallou. Whoever translated them into English did a good job. Aside
    from Kinsey, eternal Jews, and buggery laws, recently adopted by the French
    government, it would be nice for a change
    to focus in these posts on Venner’s notion of “heroism and honor” in
    Euro-American historical memory. Venner
    wrote much about this subject in his numerous books. To some extent also in his
    premonitory autobiographical work “Le Cœur rebelle » ( 1994) —a foreboding
    of his suicide—a follow up on Raspail’s, “The Camp of the Saints.” (1973). What happened with the betrayal of his Algeria
    in 1962, where he was active as a young militant boy, happened in California —
    soon to be followed by other states
    stateside.

    I’d also suggest to our students his massive, well researched
    volume with well over 700 pages, “Histoire de la Collaboration,” ( 2000) in which Venner provides life stories of a huge
    number of academics, scholars, poets,
    essayists in France who in 1944, after the so- called Liberation, disappeared from the radar screen and from school syllabi. The book is a must read for students wishing to
    find out more about the genesis of political correctness as well as French fascism,
    which heavily drew on France’s 19th century socialism and syndicalism.
    Tom Sunic.

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    Dominique Venner we salute you!

  • HJ11

    On May 1, 1945, Joseph Goebbels and his wife killed their six beautiful White children and themselves.

    Perhaps some on here who give us platitudes about death before dishonor can explain how our White gene pool has been helped by the extinction of the Goebbels genes.

    Tell us how our “culture” is better for Whites because Goebbels wrote some things (by the way, how many on here have even read what he wrote?) but commited genocide with his own genes.

    Let me tell you what I would have done had I been Josef Goebbels: I would have found a way to have my children live. Where there is life, there is hope.

    There is no honor in dying. There is honor in living and expanding your genotype.

    • YonLittleSwine

      How would you like to die by swinging at the end of a rope, while such as Lazar Kaganovich dies a natural death at age 97? Do you think for one minute that the children of Goebbels would have been allowed to live a normal life?

      • HJ11

        What does normal life mean? Life is better than death, and the genes would carry on.

        How about the Germans who are alive today who lived through the War–would they all be better off if they had all died?

    • EvetteC

      You are correct. We are in a competition where our genetic opposition will use “any means” necessary to win; whereas, we have restricted ourselves to rules of civility. Unfortunately, the rules of civility are not well adapted to our modern theater of conflict. Civility works with civil and honorable people. At times we must face vulgar opposition. We can and must be polite and courteous to each other, but our society no longer has earned nor deserves that privilege. Our dignity will always remain part of who we are; however, we must bear in mind that we cannot handicap ourselves by denying the realities that we face. It is reasonable, intelligent, and yes, even civil, to protect and defend yourself against assault. As to who we are, it is certainly not who we are to give up, to accept a degradation of our culture, and hide our heads in the sands against adversity.

    • Andrea Tothe Infinitepower

      Goebbels was a scumbag who turned Germans into sheep. Under Hitler and Goebbels, Germans were ordered to turn off their brains and follow the crazy plan to the destruction of Europe.

      If you love the likes of Goebbels, it would be good for the gene pool of humanity if the likes of you didn’t have kids either. You are filth.

    • IstvanIN

      If I recall his wife and children were given the opportunity to escape but his wife said no, she couldn’t imagine a world without Hitler and poisoned her children herself. There was certainly no point in Mr. Goebbels surviving the war, he would have been hanged and he knew it. Mrs. Goebbels should have taken the view that the children were innocent. Once in Switzerland I doubt the Swiss authorities would have harmed the children, even if they ultimately sent her back for “war crimes”.