The European Elections

Adrian Davies, American Renaissance, May 27, 2014

Marine Le Pen with supporters at an election rally in Lyon
A promising shift to the Right.

The results of elections to the so-called European Parliament show that the peoples of our mother continent are at long last showing signs of resistance to–indeed, incipient revolt against–the cosmopolitan elites that have for so long misruled them.

Across the European Union, populist, rightist and anti-establishment parties have scored remarkably well, though the outcomes vary significantly from country to country. The EU has a website that gives the results for each country, both for this year and for the previous election in 2009.

Speaking in the most general terms, it is possible to identify two broad families of ideas among the insurgent parties. The first is essentially our own. With marked differences of emphasis, the parties of this tendency broadly agree that while a shared language, culture, and religion are important, a nation is in essence a kin group or extended family. I will call this current of thought “identitarian.”

The second is essentially libertarian in inspiration. It is concerned about individual rights and economic freedoms, not group interests or national identity. Americans will recognize this kind of “rightist” party all too well.

By far the most important breakthrough for the identitarian tendency is the stunning success of the Front National in France. It has polled over 25 percent of the popular vote, some 4 percent more than the fractious establishment conservative UMP party, and is now the largest party in France in terms of electoral support. It will take 24 seats in the European Parliament, up from only three from the previous election.

Both the FN and the UMP massively out-polled the ruling Socialist party, which managed only 11 percent of the votes. The panic stricken, inept, calamitous President Hollande called the results “a shock, an earthquake.” He now proposes to address the nation, presumably to beg the French people to stop voting outside the box.

Our state broadcaster, the BBC, has published a remarkably objective analysis of the FN’s triumph, which is well worth reading. This magnificent result is a tribute to Marine Le Pen’s inspired leadership. While some hard-line elements in French nationalist circles have criticized her for trimming, it is surely better to make some compromises and take 25 percent of the vote than boast about ideological purity, and poll derisory votes.

LePen

It is also important to bear in mind that the FN’s supposed trimming only goes so far. The FN explicitly rejects the rule of alien financial interests and dogmatic market fundamentalism, as well as supranational government and mass immigration. It also rejects the whole neo-conservative project for world domination by armed force.

Marine Le Pen is on excellent terms with Russian President Vladimir Putin. If the day comes when she leads France, her country will not be participating in any more wars to bring a misshapen simulacrum of democracy at the point of a gun to countries that do not conform to the neo-conservative world view.

The FN believes in a bigger, less tightly bound and, yes, more diverse Europe, extending from Portugal to the Urals, rid of past fratricidal wars but also unconstrained by a centralizing proto-government that, by riding roughshod over national sensibilities, is more likely to inflame the worst kind of nationalism than to unite Europe. Such an approach is surely worthy of admiration.

Miss Le Pen has announced she will meet with other party leaders in the hope of establishing an official group that would have considerable powers in the Parliament. However, she ruled out an alliance that would include Hungary’s Jobbik or Greece’s Golden Dawn (see below).

The FN’s domestic prospects are very promising. Elections to the French National Assembly (equivalent to the British House of Commons and US House of Representatives) are conducted on an electoral system that has up to now proved less favorable to the FN than the d’Hondt system used in elections to the European Parliament. Nevertheless, the ruling Socialists are caught in a dilemma: Mr. Hollande could dissolve the National Assembly and call new elections, which would mean an influx of FN deputies; or he can cling to power in defiance of the popular will, and perhaps face an even worse defeat when the term of the current deputies ends in 2017.

National Assembly

Could the FN actually take power in France? That is now a real and exciting possibility, but will not happen quite yet. This would probably require a major economic crisis in the Eurozone that finally discredited the existing political class so completely that an electoral majority could be found for radical change.

The European single currency, essentially part of a political project for supranational government with no underlying economic logic, has proved a strait-jacket for many countries, particularly in southern Europe. The FN is the only important party in France to call for abandoning the Euro and returning to France’s national currency, the Franc, which would allow French exports to become more competitive by devaluing the currency. The alternative is endless wage cutting and hated austerity measures.

Were the Euro to collapse amidst widespread economic dislocation worse than the aftermath of the 2008 crisis, the FN might sweep to power. Such an outcome is possible, though not written in the stars.

In the meantime, since success breeds success, it is reasonable to expect further progress even without an existential crisis in the Eurozone, though something more than even the present wave of discontent will be necessary to transform strong nationwide support for the FN into an overall majority of the French people.

Another authentic identitarian party that performed well was Heinz-Christian Strache’s Freedom Party (FPÖ), which has taken more than 20 percent of the vote in Austria, up from less than 8 percent in 2009. This doubles its representation in the European Parliament from two to four (seats are allocated to each member state according to its population, and Austria is a small country). The country is plainly leaning rightwards; the establishment conservative People’s Party (ÖVP) out-polled the leftist Social Democrats, though its number of deputies dropped from six to five.

Strache

Heinz-Christian Strache

In Sweden–up to now one of the most liberal states in Europe–the anti-immigration Swedish Democrats polled just under 10 percent of the vote in a well deserved shock to the system. They will now have two seats in the EU Parliament. This is still, however, Sweden. A new party called Feminist Initiative, to which Jane Fonda has contributed, became the first overtly “feminist” party to send a representative to Brussels: a 57-year-old Gypsy named Soraya Post.

Soraya Post

Soraya Post

One party that did less well than anticipated was Geert Wilders’ Freedom Party in Holland. It seems to be moving from a libertarian to a more identitarian position, but its leader has not carried all his members with him. Its vote is down from about 17 percent to about 14 percent, which is a small decline, but contrary to the way in which the tide is running across Europe. It will send only three rather than four deputies to the European Parliament. Mr. Wilders’ opponents attribute the setback on his open embrace of Marine Le Pen and the Front National.

Another disappointment was the Vlaams Belang in Belgium, which at one point was one of the leaders of European identitarianism. It’s score dropped from 9.9 to 4.1 percent, and it now has only one representative in Brussels. Much of its support has gone to the New Flemish Alliance (N-VA), which combines demands for Flemish independence with a deliberately softer touch on immigration and identity. Its percentage of the vote went from 6.1 to 16.3, making it the top vote-getter in Belgium.

In Hungary, the nationalist Jobbik party had a very good election, taking second place with 14.7 percent, after the ruling conservative Fidesz party, and bumping the Hungarian Socialist Party back to third place. Fidesz itself has been criticized by the usual suspects for excessive nationalism, but is unlikely to care, since it took a remarkable 52 percent of the vote.

In Greece, Golden Dawn, a party whose strident rhetoric and “in your face” imagery have not in my view been wise, showed surprising sense by putting forward very high caliber candidates, including distinguished retired army officers. They polled well. Three representatives of Golden Dawn will take their seats in the new parliament, as the party took 9.4 percent of the vote. It surged into third place, pulling past the long-dominant PASOK (Panhellenic Socialist Party–going by the name of “Olive Tree” in this election). This is an extraordinary achievement. One can only hope that Golden Dawn will learn the appropriate lessons about presentation, without betraying its core ideals.

GD

Popular dissatisfaction in Greece also went the other way, with the hard-left Syriza party improving its performance more than five fold from 2009, and coming in first place with 26.6 percent of the vote.

Turning now to the libertarian tendency, the United Kingdom Independence Party has been the big winner in Great Britain. It has handsomely topped the poll, taking votes from the ruling Conservative Party, the Conservatives’ coalition partners, the Liberal Democrats, the opposition Labour Party, and also the British National Party, which suffered complete electoral collapse and the loss of its two seats in the European Parliament. Here is a quite objective account by the BBC about the BNP debacle.

The BNP’s vote plummeted from 943,598 votes or 6.3 percent in 2009 to 179,694 or 1.1 percent in 2014, while UKIP’s vote soared from an already high 2,498,226 or 16.5 percent and second place nationally in 2009, to 4,352,051 or 27.5 percent and first place nationally.

UKIP is a strange, ideologically incoherent amalgam of free market enthusiasts, libertarians, social conservatives and crypto-identitarians, whose leader, Nigel Farage, is a charismatic speaker, much attended by controversy of every kind, personal and political. Perhaps the starkest example of UKIP’s lack of ideological cohesion is that it polls best in elections to the parliament of the European Union, while advocating withdrawal from that union. It also “faces both ways” on immigration.

UKIP vehemently repudiates any suggestion that nationality is rooted in ethnicity, and advocates the ludicrous idea of the proposition nation, which has no historical antecedents in European political thought, except perhaps in the Soviet Union, which is not exactly a happy precedent.

At any rate UKIP did advocate a colorblind immigration policy until a few days before the election, when a “tired” Nigel Farage mused in public about why he would be more reluctant to have Romanians for neighbors than Germans, perhaps an example of in vino veritas, or on the other hand of “I am their leader, so I must follow them,” or “worse” still, a confusion between Romanians and Roma gypsies, which would have been even more shocking to the bien-pensant!

Establishment commentators have been quick to pretend that UKIP’s appropriation of the BNP vote shows a considered rejection of the politics of identity.

Nigel Farage

Nigel Farage

An especially striking example is this gem from the supposedly conservative Spectator columnist Fraser Nelson:

Amidst all the fuss tonight, we may miss a wonderful moment: the destruction of the BNP. The last Euro elections were the high point for British neo-fascism, with the BNP winning almost a million votes–far more support than the National Front or Oswald Mosley mob ever managed. For five years the BNP have been parliamentarians with seats and, ergo, the right to appear on “Question Time.” They did well not because voters shared its racist agenda, but because voting BNP seemed to be the best way of throwing a stone on the Westminster greenhouse. No longer. UKIP has given a non-racist, anti-establishment alternative. For this and other reasons the BNP is in meltdown tonight, the odious Nick Griffin has accepted that he has lost his European Parliament seat and the party is being buried because it has tried to hawk racism in the most tolerant country on earth.

Well, er, no. The reasons why the BNP has been buried are in part that UKIP now “hawks racism” (that is to say, voices the concerns of ordinary people outside the loathsome metropolitan politico-media class of which Mr. Nelson is a representative–people who don’t want their country transformed into part of the third world) in a prettier package than the BNP. The moral of this story is never, ever underestimate the importance of branding and presentation in politics.

But even more fundamentally the BNP chairman Nick Griffin has long practiced the political equivalent of slash and burn agriculture, failing to understand that successful challenger parties must sink deep local roots and undermine the edifice of two party system politics by picking away at its foundations in local government. Instead Griffin grandstanded on national television with disastrous results, while marginalizing, undermining and in the last resort purging perceived potential rivals in his own party rather than building a winning team. Now he has paid the price of his failures of leadership, vision, and even moral character. The many good patriots whom he has led astray over the long years of his undeserved predominance will shed no tears at his undoing.

Nick Griffin

Nick Griffin

How the UKIP phenomenon will play out is not foreseeable. It might evolve into a broadly based populist party of the Right, articulating the legitimate fears and concerns of the British people, or it might cozy up closer to the system parties, seeking an arrangement with the ruling Conservatives, whose coalition partners, the Liberal Democrats, lost ten of their eleven European seats and are on their way out of government.

Anyone who witnessed, as I did, the hilarious ravings of Conservative Members of the European Parliament–including the supposedly “right wing” Daniel Hannam (personally close to UKIP leader Nigel Farage)–against the Front National will realize that there is no more hope for “mainstream” conservatism in England than from the Republican Party in the United States. Only time will tell which path UKIP takes.

Moreover, UKIP has been a major beneficiary of the electoral system for elections to the European Parliament, which allows roughly proportional representation, whereas elections to our national parliament next year will take place on the “first past the post” system that is unfavorable to parties such as UKIP, which has a high but quite evenly distributed level of support. The “first past the post” system favors parties whose support is concentrated in key constituencies (our equivalent of Congressional districts), so that next year the Liberal Democrats might well win many more seats with some 8 percent of the vote than UKIP with twice that share.

Finally, turnout in these elections has been low across Europe. It will more or less double in elections to the British parliament at Westminster next year, with unpredictable results. We are in unknown territory.

In Germany, there is no credible nationalist party, only a miasma of fractious, feuding groupuscules, heavily infiltrated by state agents provocateurs. Here we saw another example of a libertarian breakthrough, however, with the Alternative for Germany winning 7 percent of the vote and sending representatives to Brussels for the first time. It is desperately making politically correct noises about non-cooperation with any identitarian parties.

In Denmark, the anti-immigration Danish People’s Party came in first with a hugely impressive 27 percent, but seeks to sidle up to our repellent Conservatives, while distancing itself from UKIP, let alone genuine nationalist parties.

It’s by no means all good news from Europe. There are few encouraging signs from Spain or Portugal, and Italian politics are mired in personality related issues. Some parties of the far Left have done well in these countries, while in countries such as Poland, where the economy is performing relatively well, the parties of the status quo have had their successes. Overall, however, we are perhaps seeing the first rays of a new dawn after a long night.

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Adrian Davies is a London barrister.
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  • Garrett Brown

    Some good and Inspiring news for whites. I’m so happy for France, Viva La Revolucion!!!! I hope German nationalists can unite and work together. We will certainly need the German mind once again if this all comes to war to defend our homelands.

    • jayvbellis

      Agreed. The reality is that France has always been very good at Nationalism.

      The ridiculous American anti France propaganda that “The French don’t fight” pure nonsense. Yeah, the French don’t like to fight other good White European people’s like the Germans or the Russians. The French didn’t waste the 1980s funding Mountain Muslim Goat $&$& Jihadists in Afghanistan like idiot American Reagan Conservatives !

      French White military kicked arse in Algeria, they still do the same in Black Africa, no debacles like US in Somalia.

      Like the Russians, French have a practical, effective, non hateful way of addressing the power of the tribe – not obsessive, but Neo a cons with the exception of Sarkozy ain’t running things in France or Russia. Real French and a Russian people detest Hollywood.

      • Sick of it

        American conservatives have never been fond of muslims. EVER.

        • Zimriel

          The GOP bigwigs have had their share of Arabists, mostly pro-Sunni.

          The rank-and-file conservatives, no, you’re right.

      • MrMagog

        “Real French and a Russian people detest Hollywood.”- yes, they have always had excellent taste

      • Fr. John+

        This is totally bogus logic. First off, Reagan conservatives were the only option against the total failure of the Carter Dumb-o-craps, and while Reagan had his flaws, he gave back a sense of PRIDE in America, that has been in eclipse, ever since Bush I/Clinton/Bush II/Obummer.

        Secondly, France has made it clear, it wants to priss and preen (a woman won, after all!) pretending to be ‘nationalist’ when the ‘girly Le Pen’ has quite clearly said, it wants NOTHING to do with either Golden Dawn or Jobbik, the only two parties with some cojones in this fight. Why not? What do you fear, Marine? A return to de Gaulle, and a France that was worthy of the name, France?

        Lastly, the pusillanimous English are acting like nancy-boys, with their fear of appearing ‘racist.’ My God, what is WRONG with Europe. The Muslim birthrate in all countries of Europe, GUARANTEES a Jihadist state in less than a generation, and the GENOCIDE of the White Race, for crying out loud?

        Dear Lord, give us men like St. Olav, Charlemagne, King Arthur, and even a King Richard the Lionheart, whose concern was for their race, and their people, and not their 401k, or their ego!

        • AndrewInterrupted

          “…PC prissing and preening…” is also the purpose of Hillary as President. To have the appearances satisfied. Except that La Pen actually looks qualified! Image that.

          • Fr. John+

            Well, yes. Marine is FAR easier on the eyes than Hitlery.

            But a woman in politics, is like a fish on a bicycle, as they say…

        • David Ashton

          There is a shift among the English, even over the word and reality of “racism” if you look at very recent media. Better late than never. The inspiration and Return of Arthur in fact (Hadrian’s Wall) and in “myth” (Layamon, Tennyson, Clemence Dane, &c) will appear in a book soon to be finished for English youth. The Old Ones are stirring and the Young Ones are awakening. You can begin to feel a change in the air — at long last.

          • Fr. John+

            I pray you are correct. I still hope for a “Ransom” as in CS Lewis’ last of the Space Trilogy, ‘That Hideous Strength.’

          • David Ashton

            Thanks for the important reminder.

            I recently came across the following at the end of a Quatermass novel by Nigel Kneale after a breakdown of Britain: “…it gladdened him to see England again, a recovering land with its soft green fields and quiet towns. Little children could play in safety and sing, as they had done for centuries, their innocent old nursery rhymes.” Guess when it was published? 1979 – as “recently” as that!

        • Jacobite2

          France’s only ‘hero’ since Saint Louis is Napoleon, who wasn’t even a Frenchman, but an Italian (this is indeed subtle nationalism). De Gaulle sold out his military, and the Frenchmen living in Algeria, with a diplomacy worthy of Pee-Wee Herman. The OAS was France’s last chance and they failed.

          • Fr. John+

            I agree. France’s overt genocide of the White, Norman nobility in the French Revolution, is one of their greatest national sins, for which they have yet to repent. As Burke wrote, and saw, the Revolution began with the best and brightest, and ended up devouring its own children. And that is France’s greatest sin.

          • Jacobite2

            The Revo devoured way too few of its’ children. The correct percentage would be 100% — as with all Leftist movements.

        • Jacobite2

          True, Reagan wasn’t as bad as Carter. But he accomplished nothing lasting. Taxes increased under Reagan himself, then Bush, then Clinton. Not one federal agency, department, or administration was eliminated, even though the Ed Dept was recently independent from HEW, and the Energy Dept was new. I was working in the brand-new Forrestal Bldg when Jimmah threw the Army out and gave it to DoE in ’78. On moral issues, Reagan was as worthless as anybody who spent 40 years living in Hollyweird would be. Our last decent Prez was Andy Jackson, who knew the differences between whites and non-whites, and exactly what to do about them. I am aware of not one GOP pol today who would admit publicly that even one tiny difference exists, and to talk about necessary action — get the fainting couch!!!!

          • Fr. John+

            You are substantively correct. But, as a young man during that era of gas lines, what Reagan STOOD for, was more necessary, than what he actually WAS. He gave me hope, which lasted me, until Clinton, and the stained dress of Monica…. But, compared with the Obamanation, I’d rather have an ineffectual randy Southern White Man, than Obongo in office.

          • Jacobite2

            As a coherent, cohesive movement, the strength of Leftism is that individuals don’t matter. Any Party Man will do. LBJ, Carter, and Clinton were all as dedicated to staffing the bureaucracy with far-Leftists as O’bwana is. Reagan was a fiscal Conservative but a moral relativist. Spending his adult life in the moral cesspool that is Hollywood guarantees that. Whatever righteous antagonism Reagan may (or may not) have felt towards Leftists, he never proposed any effective actions to cripple or eliminate them. I must say that this is the reason why Leftism must not be tolerated. It affects ordinary people upon prolonged exposure. Leftists must not be allowed to live here.

  • Jim

    I’m happy for the election results, but why trash Nick Griffin? Wasn’t he at least an important step in the process? Didn’t he show that heritage based identity politics could work in the 21st century?

    I’m not second guessing Mr. Davies knowledge of British politics; I know virtually nothing of the subject, and I thank him for this article. I certainly wouldn’t mind anyone educating me on finer points of GB politics. It just seems that Griffin has been a part of the progress that has led to these recent victories, whatever his shortcomings may be. I wish him well in the future.

    • propagandaoftruth

      I’m hoping the former BNP’ers and other identitist types infiltrate the UKIP and institute a de facto ideology that promotes sensible policy regardless of what the puppet speaking says…

      • NeanderthalDNA

        For those of my fellow posters who care, the fellow I’m responding to is in effect a sock puppet of mine I used to recently infiltrate and drop Truth bombs all over the enemy’s e-land at The Nation. In the process I ended up getting a few followers who I’d like to lead here, thence the sock puppetry and the pompous avatar/handle above.

        Propagandaoftruth had a good run on the “po white people be privilijed to” blog and a few others for a few days, but got way too many upvotes to allow to remain as the resident polite “fascist”.

        Isn’t that interesting? First, to be allowed to post for so long and then to do so politely and receive such a large number of upvotes? And KUDOS to those Amren posters who “went there”.

        How many of you got banned, eh? You were all pretty polite, except for el baga douche libtard, but with a handle like that…he tried…lol…

        Anyway I know this may seem petty and meaningless, but it is NOT.
        Look at what’s happening in fair Europa, our motherland. Look, listen, feel. It’s a rumbling crescendo of change. GOOD change, and it’s rippling over the Atlantic…

        We must proselytize. We must spread the propaganda of Truth any way we can.

        Gmail accounts are less than a dime a dozen, you know.

        Should I just switch over to “propagandaoftruth” here too, or too obnoxious? Then what of “neanderthaldna’s” followers? Maybe there’s some disqus way to fix this…

        • Sangraal

          Covert Ops…
          I’ve been going crypto on the Guardian (UK lefty rag) these past few days. It’s dificult to strike a balance between not blowing your cover and getting banned, while still offering those who have eyes to see and ears to hear a way towards the light…
          I was surprised to see a fellow commentor mention Evola’s Kali Yuga, so I can’t be the only one…

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Keep it up. It’s best to be very polite without pulling punches. The Guardian, eh? Hmmm…they like Judge D over in limeyland, don’t they? No offense to limeys, I’m a quarter limey myself…

            Good use for a Nation banned “propagandaoftruth”.

          • Sangraal

            Unfortunately they don’t use Disqus, I had to create an account. The Telegraph does though, and their audience is a lot more receptive. Quite encouraging really, without being a case of preaching to the choir or bickering with allies.

        • LHathaway

          propagandaoftruth

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Go ahead and switch? I admit, nothing agin’ ol’ Valuev, but I kind of feel like a little change. I think the handle is more…attention grabbing. Hmmm…

            Thanks for feedback.

          • LHathaway

            Maybe it would provide some kind of reverse psychology, naming yourself a Neanderthal in front of your ‘insensitive’ posts, and it might even be OK here, but I just hate the photo. Sorry, I don’t come here to look at ugly or outrageous photos and that’s one ugly and unpleasant photo staring at me every time I read one of your posts.

          • propagandaoftruth

            You prefer Karl Urban’s chin? Gocha. Are you female?

            I think the manly man likes the Valuev thing, and initially I was kind of blown away by the science when I started neando, but gotta admit I’ve…evolved a bit.

            I think ‘Dredd’ should still appeal to manly men while Karl Urban’s jawline should appeal to the ladies as well. Plus he looks really authoritative and p’d off.

    • Nevsky

      He does deserve respect. I’d choose him over Farrage any minute.

    • Monmouth78

      Griffin built the BNP up into a serious party, but then destroyed it by purging every local organizer who was successful at winning elections. The pattern happened over and over. The BNP would make a breakthrough in local council elections and then Griffin would get into some kind of feud with the party leaders in that area that would result in them leaving the party. This happened until there were no more local operations that were winning elections.

      There were also other fiascos. Griffin blew his big chance on TV by trying to suck up to the people who were attacking him and not acting like a man. That was really the turning point. He seemed to be surprised at the hostile reception he was getting and just grinned sheepishly while being insulted. I think it was some kind of misguided attempt to come across as moderate. Watch Marine Le Pen interviews to see how nationalist politicians should handle hostile media.

    • Jacobite2

      This article is supposed to be optimistic? The author starts with the assumption that no candidate/party that openly states that he/it supports the interests of the white race can ever win an election, even in ‘white’ countries. Inasmuch as this is the only possible way that white peoples’ interests are going to again become a matter of concern among the alien elites, this seems to me to predict failure, PDQ.

  • jayvbellis

    Things certainly look the worst in Merry Old England.

    Black Muslims attacking English soldiers in broad daylight, then beheading them. Paki Muslims gang raping poor English girls, grooming them for lives as Muslim sex slaves – that’s why they called it “white slavery”.

    Wasn’t it just a short while ago that there was a week of Black race riots, looting?

    And the best election alternative is UKIP.

    Hey English –

    Have you apologized to the Germans yet?
    Have you told them how sorry you are?
    Two World Wars against the Germans
    England supposedly won those wars…
    No. England lost, lost most everything good and English.
    Don’t you wish German troops had invaded England FROM Normandy Beach?

    Don’t you wish Germans still occupied England
    And blue eyed Germans drove around London in Panzer Tanks?
    And grateful, proud English men and women could praise God Almighty that Germany
    Victories prevented the undreamed of horrors of Londonstan, Guardian newspaper nonsense, loss of Rhodesia, Orwell’s 1984come to reality.

    Yes my English kinsmen – have you apologized to the Germans yet?

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      A Britain under the Third Reich would be a much better, cleaner and happier place than modern multicultural third world Britain, which is now on the verge of becoming a majority non-white Islamic republic. Only a fool would think that Churchill, Truman and Stalin winning the war was a good thing. In reality, their “victory” was a catastrophe for Europe and North America.

      • jayvbellis

        Agreed. But, it’s better to make World War I the bad war that destroyed White civilization. it’s impossible to make British and American Whites believe Nazi Germany were the good guys. Better to argue, correctly that US entry in to World War I did not make the world safe for American style “democracy” as idiot Liberal Woodraw Wilson claimed, any more than US invasions and occupations of Iraq Mage the Arab Middle East I. To safe, prosperous American style democracies.

        Argue the truth that World War I resulted in the destruction of White European civilization, enabled the Bolshevik/Communist coup de tat and Red Terror in Russia and Fascist, reactionary, Nazi responses to Communists terror in Russia and elsewhere.

        We have to deal with our people as they are,most are nominally Christian, so they aren’t going to go for some a White version of Islam, or Paganism or foreign looking stuff like Nazi uniforms.

        • MikeofAges

          What about American meddling in Europe after World War II? Weren’t we there propping up the same world system Woodrow Wilson proposed? The one that has bled us for 70 years now and deprived our British and European counterparts of the ability to define their own identity and see the need for keeping boundaries between themselves and the other. Stalinism was brutal, that is true. But no one has asked that basic question: Would Europe have been better off under a strong hand? And if so, if not under Nazism, then what other strong hand was there, except the hand of Stalin?

          That, in my mind, is a serious question. Nazism, in my mind, was not an acceptable alternative. If a cure was needed for the endemic problems of European civilization, what was it? And did we, by investing in maintaining something that perhaps was not threatened anyway, republican democracy and constitutional monarchy, harm both Europe and ourselves? Inflict the final, fatal wound, actually?

          Just a question, but keep one thing in mind. Other than those of fully European descent, don’t expect anyone else in America to care about either the question or the answer.

        • LHathaway

          “idiot Liberal Woodraw Wilson”

          Can’t be more even handed than that. They’ll be eating out of your hand, any day now.

      • jayvbellis

        PS.

        Did you like my poem?

        It’s copied from a poem that appeared in Instauration after the Rodney King LA riots.

        • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

          Whatever the English did with the Germans, the Scots, Welsh and Irish would never have agreed.

      • DaveMed

        There’s no reason for this to be an either-or issue.

        The Third Reich and the Muslim takeover of Europe were/are both bad.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          I’m not saying it’s an either/or issue. Nevertheless, the Third Reich would have preserved the integrity of the white race and western civilization, whereas the Islamification of Europe will inevitably result in the total annihilation of both. The Third Reich would have produced a new, eugenically improved Aryan man, whereas Islam will give us a mongrelized brown man, one who is well-adapted to globalist and/or Muslim despotism. The two options are definitely not equal. One is clearly far more desirable than the other.

          • DaveMed

            The Third Reich was inherently unstable, and would have given way to another political system one way or another.

            I have no interest in an ideology that seeks to produce a “new, eugenically-improved Aryan man.” I just want Europeans and European-Americans to preserve their own nations and peoples.

            Eugenics is a damn slippery road.

          • wildfirexx

            Since the WW2 we have been bombarded by ant-Nazi (german aryan nationlism) propaganda, especially in our movies run by the jewish elite who have their reasons. Those evil Nazis were the fantasy darth vaders of the 1930’s and 40’s.
            And the mainstream media would have you believe the jewish people were the only ones who suffered during the second world war in the holocaust!
            Hitler didn’t want war, and he could see well into the future… before the rest of us even realised what was coming in the multicultural NWO.
            But instead of supporting his white preservation of our race, we instead challenged it, sacrificing millions of our own… and in the process, destroying the last great white hope for mankind.

          • David Ashton

            Kept to that comparison, you have a case. Richard Weikart’s “Hitler’s Ethic” (despite a few errors) is well worth reading. However, eugenics today is feared and vilified by many false as well as correct accounts of Nazi policy in that area.

          • Sick of it

            It’s like the classic case of “who watches the watchers”…who would have kept them accountable? Who would ensure that only the highest quality offspring were produced…as opposed to a mish-mash of DNA from people who simply bowed and scraped before the ruling party? Man would not be bettered with the DNA of pathetic, slavish fools who believe in nothing. Who are too weak-willed to question those with more power than themselves.

          • David Ashton

            In Britain you need to consult the original mainstream eugenicists like Galton, Karl Pearson, Winston Churchill, Maynard Keynes and Julian Huxley. Their support for highly intelligent and physically healthy white British people is precisely what sends their leftist egalitarian critics into a rage.

          • Sick of it

            Their eugenics program may not have had the best intent or execution. Really, they would have ended up killing some of the smartest people in the world simply because such people disagreed with their methodologies (rather than increasing their offspring). As should be obvious from my other posts, I’m not talking about smart Eskimos. Just white German folk with real beliefs who would not worship the State as God.

          • David Ashton

            No murders nor even abortions. Family planning plus some sterilizations. Encouraging more offspring among more productive families, discouraging conceptions among criminals, alcoholics and seriously diseased or disabled. Humanitarian voluntary eugenics in the western democracies aimed at gradual improvement of future generations, not accelerated decline.

        • David Ashton

          Speer claimed that Hitler said muscular Islam would have suited Europe better than effeminate Christianity. White and Asian Muslims fought with the Germans.

          • Zimriel

            I just have a problem with an ideology which claimed to be “antisemitic” but sided with Arabs; claimed to be “prowhite” but slaughtered Poles.

            I’ve said it before here, and I shan’t belabour the point. We’re at least agreed that the *first* of those wars was stupid, and that the Brits and Yanks should have stayed out.

          • LHathaway

            Good thing that is settled.

          • David Ashton

            All I wish to say is that (1) Germany had a case over Danzig, and (2) Britain did not rescue and could not have rescued Poland.

          • Sick of it

            In contrast, the old German empire worked hard to turn the Poles into Germans. In many cases, they succeeded.

          • Strider73

            And as the Third Reich was collapsing, virtually every Muslim-ruled nation offered Hitler political asylum.

          • David Ashton

            I seem to have missed this interesting information and would appreciate your referenced list of the countries concerned.

      • Sangraal

        Oswald Mosley could have been indefinite prime minister. We got a raw deal.

        • David Ashton

          Mosley would not have co-operated with a German invasion or a puppet collaboration. His policy was “our people safe, our forces undefeated and our empire intact”. He believed in friendly co-existence with Germany and peace in Europe, not subordination to any foreign power. After the war he also publicly opposed the unarmed foreign invasion. On immigration he said it all, and said it first.

          • Sangraal

            That would have been preferable, for sure. But short of true independence, I’d still prefer a German puppet regime to a US/NATO/EU/bankster puppet regime.

          • David Ashton

            The prospect of a Nazi occupation is no longer on the cards.

            Finding a less problematic new answer to a “bankster regime” is a question for all Europeans not just the Russians.

          • Sangraal

            Agreed. No point fantasising and hair-splitting about what could have been, as our movement is wont to do.

      • Clover

        Do you deny that the murder of the Jews of Europe occurred or do you think it was a good thing that should have been expanded?

    • David Ashton

      Which Germans have you in mind?

      • jayvbellis

        Just Germans in General.

        All White English people trying to live, survive in the horror of multi cult England, Londonstan of 2014, these English people should now greet every GERMAN they meet and apologize. England was wrong to fight the Germans in World War I and World War II .

        Apologize.

        Say you’re sorry and won’t do it again.

        Root for White German soccer teams against multi race English teams.

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          The only time I ever watch soccer is the World Cup.

          That said, I know the 2010 German team at the WC had its unfortunate share of non-whites, and my memory didn’t fail me:

          http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289389/World-Cup-2010-England-vs-Germany-new-citizens-make-rivals-team.html

          I’m so glad that the all white all Spaniard team from Spain won the WC that year, beating the multiracial goon squad from the Netherlands in the championship game.

          http://www.fifa.sportsportal.org/spain-2010-fifa-world-cup-roster/

        • Martel

          We need comradery, not forced apologies.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            Well, to be honest, we Germans can use an apology sometimes from the Englishmen, just to boost our self-esteem a little bit. We have been hated for decenia, and actually, we have suffered a lot from all the propaganda that has been made against us. Just a quick apology would certainly be appreciated by us Germans. Our ego hasn’t really been fed for a long time, seriously. We are practically seen and described as cultural Nazis. An apology can also awaken many of us Germans. It might help us to realise our common European interests. I think that an apology is actually a good idea. Apologies and comradery are not mutually exclusive, but endless apologies are not needed. Germans are not Blacks. If our German self-esteem is boosted, we can do great things, unlike those who come out of sub-Saharan Africa.

          • tetrapod

            I took some flak on another forum by merely suggesting that the world give the Germans a break. After all, WWII ended 70 years ago. This was in the context of a discussion regarding the holocaust, which everyone agrees was unspeakably evil. That said, can’t we just get past it and stop demonizing three generations of Germans who had nothing to do with it?

          • Geo1metric

            There are those who have larege stakes in keeping the German guilt trip going. Shame on them.

          • Zimriel

            Russians more than the guys you’re thinking of, I’m guessing . . .

            Those “not to be named” are of two sorts: the ones who have a problem with all Europeans, and those who’ve shifted to a more Near Eastern frame of mind. Both sorts have moved on from Germany as Germany. Anyway some of us view the former as apostates and as far as I’m concerned, you can have ‘em.

            I would, if I were European, worry most about the most aggressive nations with the highest population density. In Germany’s case, the nations which have already gnawed off rather extensive tracts of its land over the last century.

          • jayvbellis

            Demonization of Germans has now morphed in to demonization of all healthy Whites. The likes of Tim Wise, Eric Holder, Mugabe, the Weinstein Brothers make no distinction between White Germans, White Southern Americans, White English, White Afrikanners we’re all evil racists who oppress Blacks, Gays, Native Americans, Muslims, 3rd World People of color.

          • Martel

            I disagree. There is no possibility for a “single apology”, as those who are willing to apologize are not in a position to do so. The British government will not apologize, so it will be a small band of Englishmen apologizing. The only thing such a meaningless apology will do is have its German listeners hoping for more apologies.

            The English are also extremely proud of the achievements of their grandfathers, and as a people, are not very apologetic. No good will come from this demand. No one owes anybody anything but their cooperation for a better future.

          • MrMagog

            so what, it couldn’t hurt

          • MrMagog

            It is not a demand, it is a suggestion.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            I think you greatly underestimate the vengeance culture of German nationalism. Although I am looking forward to it, I also have my fears about German nationalism. These are legitimate fears.

            German nationalists are not the same as any other European nationalists. They notice all the hatred that is directed against them, especially they notice the anti-German sentiments among other Europeans. Germans feel the urge to take revenge.

            This vengeance culture is at the very core of German nationalism, and the more people join the German nationalists, the more entitled they will feel to take revenge. I think that a positive attitude of other Europeans towards Germans might go a long way to prevent a German revenge expedition.

            There is an incredible amount of frustration among German nationalists, and this needs to be channeled in the right direction, otherwise a new White vs. White war cannot be prevented. To summarise what I am saying: I think it is wise to advise other Europeans to pat the Germans on the back, you do not want them to become your enemies.

          • Martel

            Positive commentary and celebrations of German culture by the English is possible, and has positive side-effects. Apologizing is something I oppose as it fosters victimhood and causes tensions, I rather regret that the war was fought in the first place, and recognize the bravery of all soldiers and the brilliance of all our military leaders.

            Some of my family members were send to the camps for assisting Jewish citizens, I don’t ask anyone for an apology.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            I see. I did not mean expressing sympathy through apologies, but rather empathy through apologies. Sympathy creates victimhood, empathy creates comradery. There are apologies and apologies. The English do not need to treat the Germans like Blacks. Just a few positive comments about Germany and the Germans would be very much appreciated.

            My paternal grandmother told me that an American who could speak a little German said that he regretted that so many Germans had died in the War and lost so many of their family members. He also said he thought that the Germans had fought bravely. She has repeated that story for half a century, and told me that a thousand times. Just an expression of respect for the Germans is very much appreciated. Just something small makes a huge impression.

          • Martel

            I do want expressions of respect for Germans, and all other European peoples for that matter. I do not like it when some mock the Spanish for example. But asking for an apology is not going to work out well, the only Englishmen who would do so are the ones who dress up in Nazi-uniforms, and I care little about their opinion.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            The American who said something positive wasn’t a Nazi, so it’s possible. There are a thousand ways to express respect. No matter which way people choose, it is important that they express respect. Yes, Europeans in general have been demonised for a long time, and the Germans have especially been the targets of demonisation. Nevertheless, we need to try to get beyond that. We need to put an end to the leftist anti-White and anti-German madness.

          • Sick of it

            Hopefully they don’t mind the constant abuse heaped upon their descendants by the same group they worked so hard to save.

          • MrMagog

            Yes, like with the Irish, better to live in the present.

          • Martel

            You are back to sending me dots ^^

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            I fall back into old habits sometimes! <;-)

            I didn't think the posts were really contributing the thread.

            They were just a repetition of what I had already said.

          • MrMagog

            Aber, Ich liebe die Deutsche Volk. Do they know that people’s opinions about them have changed?

          • tlk244182

            I was guilty of believing all the anti-German propaganda, which has now metastasized into anti-White propaganda. I now repudiate all that and try to defend Germany to my acquaintances when the subject comes up (Godwin’s Law, etc.) And the idea of a vengeful, reactionary cohort in German culture is actually rather encouraging. If I were a native German, I’d be angry as well.

          • LHathaway

            If what has become of England would put shame upon those who died fighting for England in the 1940’s, the result need not be apology of any kind to Germany, after all, they died protecting England from a German take-over. The appropriate thing to do would be to make sure those British did not die in vain.

          • MrMagog

            Verziehen Sie Uns bitte

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yo gurl! I love you Germans as did my dad who captured a whole company of them in northern Italy near the end.

            He rounded a corner in his jeep and hit the brakes when he saw them. Soiled his britches too, he claimed. One who spoke English dropped his rifle and raised his hands, surrendered. They were broken and near their limits. Pops told him to wait with his men, went back and got some trucks, returned and picked them up.

            Told me about one, a kid, who threw himself at my dad’s feet crying and begging pops not to kill them.

            Dad, a kind and gentle man, didn’t know what to say, told the interpreter to calm him down, told the sarge to get them some food.

            My father liked the Germans, hated Hitler.

            PS: I guess I should keep this identity here at Amren, instead of the other guy, eh? I don’t want to confuse anyone, especially not myself. Who were you? You were there, weren’t you? At the Nation?

          • David Ashton

            My father lied about his age and joined the Navy in 1914 to “avenge” the death of his genius brother Arthur who was shot mending wires, and saw land service at Loos &c. When his detachment invaded a German officers’ trench HQ they found a grand piano, decent furniture and an impressive library. He had French friends, but admired the Germans all his life long. But once the war was irreversible, he backed Churchill, which is why my third Christian name is Winston rather than Oswald. He was not anti-Jewish but he was anti-Communist, and used to say “We Saxon peoples together could rule the world”. His last words to me were: “You’ll go on fighting for our dear old England when I’ve gone, won’t you, son?”
            I shall keep my vow until I too have gone.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Pops was a humble man, junior officer with an almost two year old daughter way far a way he’d only seen in pictures, and a crazy, fire haired “Scarlet O’Hara” waiting for him back home…for better AND worse it turned out…for over six decades it turned out…

            Regardless that poor Christian Scientist, bible reading, Midwestern boy had Hollywood good looks and may have schtumped an Italian countess despite the aforementioned. He never forgot her name over all the years and never hesitated to start talking about her when Scarlet O’Hara was feeling especially manic. Or was it depressed?

            Sad to see those old guys fading away. My pops was old enough to be my gramps, by the way, so especially strange for me, you know?

            In a way I’m glad he died before…so much, but this article and what it represents gives me much hope.

            Cheerio indeed, good chap, or whatever, lol…

          • Sick of it

            Many of their troops at that point were young boys. They were also starving. Their homeland was being invaded by mass murdering rapist trash from Asia. It does not surprise me they would be so broken.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Pops was a Midwestern boy from the Great Depression who’d miraculously recovered from a debilitating disease after intervention by a Christian Science healer, thence his religion. He earned his bachelors in agriculture because as my mom put it, he loved the idea of eating big breakfasts on a farm.

            He worked as a bureaucrat and civil servant his entire life, but never in agriculture.

            But he was always obsessed a bit about food, and commented on how the German POWs loved the c-rations.

          • MrMagog

            They loved the c-rations? They must have been starving. I’ve heard those were pretty bad.

          • Geo1metric

            Germans are the best. German engineering (and beer) and science are admired the world over. As an American of German/Swedish descent, I can tell you that Germans are much admired among those I know here in America.

          • MrMagog

            What happened to Dresden was a terrible crime.

          • Geo1metric

            It wasn’t just Dresden. Many German cities were fire-bombed and the Germans were treated terribly by the allies after the war. Many civilians were killed, starved, and left to die horrible deaths. Read about the “Morgenthau Plan” by David Irving.

          • MrMagog

            Other cities were firebombed , yes. but there was always a legitimate military target. Dresden had no such target. It was a transportation crossroads and was choked with refugees from Silesia. Conservative estimates of the casualties are 30 thousand, but I do not trust that figure. It would be self serving of the allies to have a low figure. It was more like 130,000.

          • MrMagog

            Germans are also light hearted and fun people. One needs to watch their entertainment to know this.

          • MrMagog

            Many people have not experienced German entertainment. I really have to say that Bully Herbig was the first time I enjoyed German entertainment. Before I had seen some of his stuff all I had seen was a Fassbinder film, and the “Tin Drum”. Rather morose and twisted stuff. No, wait. I had seen an Austrian film ” Die Siebtelbauern” and that was the first time I felt really engaged by anything in German. Then I stumbled across the Bully Herbig stuff on Youtube. It was very lighthearted and it made me seek out more stuff. I found that German entertainment and culture is AWESOME. I think this is because so much of what is produced in America is controlled and the same subliminal message permeates everything, also, political correctness means there is no real humor anymore in American Entertainment. German entertainment makes my mind feel free again. MY latest find has been the show Ladykracher. People in America just don’t know what Germans are like, they just know what hollywood says they are like, which is totally wrong.

          • newscomments70

            It’s nice to see a real German, like yourself, for a change. The Germans I know are pro-Obama, left wing zealots. My friends in Germany with children are seeing the light though. In Western Germany, sending your children to public school can be dangerous. The muslims are bullying and accosting German children quite often now. In the 80s, I was told that this problem only existed in the “inner city”. Now it is spread into most school systems. My socialist, liberal, Atheist friends are now sending their children to Lutheran schools. In the recent past, that would be unheard of…but they are desperate now. Muslims/Africans have destroyed one of the best school systems in the world.

          • MrMagog

            I ran into a French student, a female, at a US college. I mentioned to her that I thought the developments in France were good, that I supported LePenn and the Identitarians. She was taken completely off guard, she did not expect to run into anyone who would be on the side of the French “right” at a US college. She stated that she was steadfastly AGAINST LePenn and that the right was “evil”…. I guess she is crying in her cafe-au-lait today.
            I think the more that this movement picks up steam then the more people will stop secretly being for it. Most people are followers, they go along to get along. When they think the “correct” position, the one that is rewarded and not punished, is liberalism, then they take that position. Liberalism today though means for white people to be against their self interests. You can bet that many people will have a “conversion” when they feel it is safe to do so.

          • newscomments70

            I give my honest opinions to Europeans as well. I do it with a civil tone, but I’ve had many young people raise their voices to me. The middle-aged ones often quietly agree with me. They still vote for their socialist despots though and praise Obama. The older ones often want to enlist in my militia. I don’t have a militia, but they seem to be the most fed-up.

          • sulbernick

            I went camping to France last summer with my family. My son speaks some German and made friends with a German couple who were on the next pitch to us. Lovely people.

          • jayvbellis

            English should volunteer apologies to Germans.
            Same goes for Irish to the English, Irish Americans to WASP Americans.

          • Martel

            Sure, and everybody to everybody else. Some English patriots will be upset about Germans requesting an apology, while some German patriots demand an official apology.

            Real clever. If we ever become an actual movement I demand to be in charge of public relations. Anyone who understands the English people also knows, this would never happen, they are some of the most stubborn people in the world.

          • MrMagog

            The Irish will never apologize. You apparently, do not know any Irish. To even suggest such a thing to them would turn them into raging, foaming, creatures with their hands on your throat.

          • Martel

            Thinking the English are an apologetic people is also a sign of little insight. Requesting the Irish to grovel over past events is indeed an impossible challenge.

          • MrMagog

            To suggest that THEY apologize would lead to them rattling off a long list of English atrocities, such as “Bloody Sunday’ for one, and it would be the “who did what first to whom” argument. It would get us nowhere.Believe me, I have Irish in laws, I have seen people go from pleasant rational people to apoplectic raving lunatics going on and on about how the English caused the famine by shipping food out of Ireland, by mandating the Irish all grow only ONE variety of potato, the the unprovoked slaughter at a soccer game etc, etc, etc. All that was in response to a comment about how attacking innocent shoppers at a Harrods Department store was not civilized.

          • jayvbellis

            Not grovel. More like, bury the hatchet. The Irish are the largest non English minority in England, if the English and England are so bad, why do so many Irish want to move to England, live near English.

            Yeah, bury the hatchet.

            What’s the alternative?

            Having your daughters gang raped by Pakistani and Somalian Muslims?

          • Martel

            Obviously the hatched must be buried, if the Irish think the English were bad, they have another thing coming.

          • MrMagog

            An English apology “sorry ol’ chap”, and then “steady on!” That will be all you will get.

          • Martel

            Exactly ^^

          • jayvbellis

            Then the Irish will be cursed by mass invasions of Black Nigerians, all kinds of nasty Muslims to. Ireland, destroyed Irish American communities in the. United States.

            Let go these obsessions with hating other White people. The Irish have no reason to hate English people or WASPs today, year 2014.

            Irish Americans should in particular be thankful WASP Americans allowed their great grandparents in to the United States. This chip on the shoulder, “We’re Irish, not White, we’re another oppressed minority like Blacks, gays” this nonsense gets real old.

            If Irish want to be treated with fairness and respect, treated as White they need to think and act White, bury the hatchet.

          • MrMagog

            do you have a magic wand that you will wave to punish them with this?

          • MrMagog

            Irish Americans do not have the animosity that the Irish in Ireland do. Not even a tenth as much.

          • Sick of it

            Never underestimate the ethnic memory of Irish folk. Even 300 or 400 years down the line. We remember.

          • Matt Turner

            A world o’ Guinness hurt?

        • David Ashton

          I agree that England should not have declared war on Germany in 1939, having said so on this site and elsewhere. I agree with almost all of what Oswald Mosley said in 1939 and much of what Patrick Buchanan wrote about this in 2009.

          Most white English people have no responsibility for that decision, but after their own WW2 experience on the battlefield and under bombardment, many still believe the older generation fought bravely in what they felt was a good cause. I find the sinister media propaganda, largely from Hollywood, against Germany objectionable, and regret the susceptibility of people (not only in England) to much of it. I do not expect Germans to apologize for bombing out my late uncle’s home, or shooting down without trace my favorite cousin, who had been against war until our country was directly threatened with invasion.

          My children and my compatriots of the same age have no need to apologize to prevalent German socialists and liberals who despise their own recent past. I have always advocated Anglo-German friendship, and a general European policy against third-world immigration, etc. My town in Norfolk is twinned with one in north Germany, and my wife’s comment on return from a visit was how similar our two peoples were. I love German music and some of its philosophy, and have always actively opposed multi-racialism and imported criminality, from university days to the present time.

          But “Say you won’t do it again” is as babyish as it sounds.

        • Nevsky

          Brits only apologize to non-whites and Jews

          • MrMagog

            Ahhh, you have a point there!

          • David Ashton

            I am afraid it is a national trait to say Sorry to people who tread on your foot or push past in queue. But ingrained politeness has its limits when survival itself as at risk.

        • newscomments70

          i don’t watch soccer anymore for that reason. A European team with mostly black players is not my team. I watch hockey and I’m starting to watch baseball again.

        • sulbernick

          Yes I’ll certainly be rooting for the whitest soccer team – not Germany by the way.

    • italian guy

      You can’t blame an entire group of people for the disingenuous actions of their elites, I’m pretty sure the people of the U.K would be much more happy living in their homogeneous countries, no one asked them to be invaded by millions of non-whites just as the rest of the Western world.
      Let’s not forget decades of interracial and anti-white propaganda, that’s a powerful tool and it brainwashed people pretty bad.

      • Nevsky

        Why Liga Norte scored only 6%?

        • italian guy

          Actually the Lega Nord doubled its votes and Matteo Salvini, the current leader, was the most voted person in the elections (you vote the party and you can write the name of the candidate you prefer of that list), in some parts of Italy they are around 22% in some areas 18% and so on!

          The problem with this elections was that many anti-EU voted for the 5 stars movement, that diluted the vote, but more importantly 41,4% of the people didn’t vote! but Lega is getting more attention and trust from the citizens on a local level.

          So you see, it’s not as bad as it looks, things are getting better all around Europe.

          • Nevsky

            Italians give me hope, I remember that there’s this black MP in the parliament so she was called names by some other patriotic politicians.

            How’s situation with political correctness agenda? Can Italians express themselves freely on immigration, third-world invasion, Muslims, feminists and such?

          • italian guy

            We have our share of traitors too, but we can express our grief in public and our politicians (such as Salvini) say what everyone thinks on television too.

            I have to tell that though we have the “anti-racists” they tend to be really anti-racist, they think we are all equal but they are not going to put down other White people, so they are bad but not in the same sense as cultural marxists even though we have them too.
            I can’t speak for everyone, but Italians tend to stay separated from non-whites, plus there have been many protests against illegal immigrants and refugees so I’m pretty sure that if they were deported tomorrow no one would say anything.

          • Nevsky

            I hope the day comes when they indeed will be deported.

          • Sick of it

            Good to hear, as Lega Nord seems like a decent group.

    • DaveMed

      Is this a joke?

      Are we to expect that a power-hungry Hitler who had no qualms about effecting the deaths of millions of Europeans was not one of those who should bear the greatest blame for WW2?

      The fact that there are still so many race-realists and/or WNs who think Nazism was a good thing demonstrates that some in our ranks have a lot of growing up to do.

      • jayvbellis

        AH was one German man – bad, good, great, one man.

        The English declared war on all German people, were the first to use mass aerial bombing of civilians, slaughtering regular Germans in cities like Dresden and Hamburg. Why?

        How did this help English people?

        And World War II came about because of the insanity of World War I.

        None of this modern horrors in England would be conceivable without World War I.

        If you can’t see fit to question the “good war”, World War II, just stress World War I a very, very bad war, White vs White slaughter. English were overwhelmingly Germanic people, Anglo Saxon, Norman. Why kill your own people?

        You don’t see Jewish people celebrating Jewish people slaughtering other Jewish people.

        Why hate, slaughter your own people?

        Kindness means being kind to your own kind.

        • Brad

          You are SO right.

      • jayvbellis

        It’s good “karma” (concept developed by White Hindu Indians) to make peace with a long standing White enemy.

        English make peace with Germans
        Irish make peace with English
        Protestants make peace with White Catholics
        Even Whiter Jews making peace with all White Gentiles including Germans.

        We’re facing annihilation at the hands of the non White hordes , Muslims, we need to forgive and forget past quarrels with other Whites.

        whites in the besieged White city states on Bizantium did this as they faced total conquest slavery by the Ottomon Muslim Turks.

        • DaveMed

          Look, I agree completely with everything you wrote in this post, and I’m sure we share the same fundamental goals.

          I just don’t think that framing the Germans of WW2 as a positive model (or even preferable to X, Y, or Z) is a tactical approach.

          • MrMagog

            Time will change the perceptions of people. The victory and then the internal corruption and suicide of the allies will end up vindicating Germany. I’m not saying I like the idea of Hitler. I wonder though. If the west had not mobilized and went to war with Germany, how long would Hitler have lasted? His economy was on the brink of collapse. That is why he invaded Czechoslovakia , Poland, and the Russia. His aim was to plunder those lands to plunder and to buy time. No amount of time would have helped his crazy economic state of affairs though. Sooner or later her would have hit a wall and without a state of war against the allies, the German people would not have felt they were tied to him.

          • Brad

            Sorry, but the German economy was thriving, not near a state of collapse. Hitler wanted the return of the German lands and German people that were taken from Germany in the so-called Versailles “Treaty”. But this would have made Germany a major threat to Britain’s world markets and Britain chose to ally with the communist Soviet Union against Germany. A more stupid decision is hard to imagine. The pretense was to defend Poland against German invasion, but the Soviet Union had also invaded Poland. Add to this the fact that Britain was woefully unprepared to fight the war – any war – and at the end of WWII agreed to hand Poland over to Soviet control. But wasn’t the self-aggrandizing Winston Churchill great, drunk or sober?

          • jayvbellis

            No need to dwell on WWII or past of anything.

            But, for England – the failure of modern day White Englush to do even remotely successful nationalism is very much tied up with England’s confused party line propaganda that World War I and World War II were England’s finest hours. They weren’t .

            England has swallowed the lie that everything Hitler was for was, is bad and everything Hitler was against was/is good.

            White racism is bad, even to the point where White English should be replaced in England by Pakistani Muslims. Why?

            Because Hitler would be against replacing White English in England.

          • DaveMed

            Once again, we are in full agreement.

          • David Ashton

            True, anti-racist propaganda developed during the war and reinforced with Belsen photos &c undermined to some degree English racial resistance. Hitler was a mixture, and THIS is not the time or place to debate the complex personality or even ideology of a dead, albeit extraordinary, man. He did not want a war with the English, but would not have been a pleasant master if his forces had succeeded in its V2 bombing and a subsequent occupation. His policy in eastern Europe sacrificed thousands of your “blue-eyed” handsome, intelligent and courageous young Germans, and their children in street resistance to the Red Army. His policy towards the Jews was so brutally ruthless – by general admission of revisionists also – that it destroyed Jewish communist lives, but also produced both a Communist and then a Jewish propaganda against western nationalism. Far from “lancing the Jewish abscess” he created Israel, AIPAC, the ADL, Holocaust Anti-Racist Education, Black Power and Islamic rage. Incidentally, Hitler said Japan could have Australia if they wanted it.

          • Matt Turner

            I upvoted your comment. I only take issue with the assertion that Israel, and some incarnation of AIPAC, and ADL wouldn’t have come into some form of being otherwise.

          • Sick of it

            The Zionist movement was strong back in the 19th century, so it’s likely that all of these organizations would have been formed absent Hitler.

          • sulbernick

            My father is 90 this year. He served in France, Holland and Germany during the latter stages of WWII. He’s always said that England would be a better place than it is now had Germany won the war.

          • David Ashton

            Better if Britain had been adequately armed and had also at least tested safely his offer to withdraw his forces from the non-German areas of Poland and negotiate with Russia a return of Germans to drain the Belorussian marshes and restore prosperity to the previously ruined Ukraine. Remember that the Soviets had deported or decimated the productive German settlers in their vast empire. However, a German victory by 1944 would have left the world in a pretty bad state, albeit without a vast Afro-Asian population in Europe.

          • sulbernick

            Easier to recover from that ‘pretty bad state’ than from the vast Afro-Asian population.

          • Brad

            No. The current mess was caused by the Western countries that allied with the Soviet Union against Germany. No greater mistake can be found in history.

          • Sick of it

            Their push for scientific progress IS a positive model for all white nations. Today, people allow politics and political correctness to destroy the sciences.

        • Brad

          Just one error. Jews have always taken the side of any entity that opposes Western culture. They will never join with Whites against any “minority”. They will always join with the minority against Whites. So, to be safe, always regard Jews as militantly non-White.

      • MrMagog

        No, you just have some waking up to do. You think it is better for all of Europe to be destroyed by browns that to have had Germans destroy Soviet Russia. Do you understand that Hitler wanted to conquer the East, not the West?

        • Brad

          Right. After Hitler’s rise, Britain saw Germany as a principal competitor in international markets and put its economic interests above the need to join with Germany in the fight against the rising communist threat of the Soviet Union. The ultimate result of Britain’s short-sightedness was the dissolution of the British Empire, the bankruptcy of Great Britain’s economy, and a half-century of deficit financing to thwart the Soviet Union’s efforts to bring Western Europe into its orbit. There may have been more stupid debacles in international affairs but one does not immediately come to mind. But weren’t Winston Churchill’s speeches and drunken pronouncements great!

      • Medizin

        And the United States, Great Britain, and Russia didn’t kill millions, which included civilians? All three bent on destroying every last German. Eisenhower, Churchill, Stalin. Why was Dresden bombed after the War ended? Just one example. What were the real causes of World War I and II? What was Hitler really attempting to accomplish and why? How did the Treaty of Versaille play a major role? What condition was Germany in following World War II? Not only were they required to pay for the entire war, which was just repaid in 2010, much of their land was taken and given to others. This unfairness was also instrumental in the rise of Mussolini. The Polish cheered him when his army entered Poland.

        Don’t believe the propagandized media of the time or current times.

        There’s much more to this that is not permitted to be discussed here.
        I’d defend any of the European countries if they had been so grossly mistreated and discriminated against as Germany was and is to some extent today.
        The first part of ‘World Wars’ on the History channel, shown Monday evening, surprisingly showed a bit of sympathy for Hitler and Germany, why he went into politics, conditions that led to his rise. How he will be viewed in all episodes remains to be seen. Second episode tonight at 9:00 pm. Repeat at 11:00 pm.

        • LACountyRedneck

          All three parts I’ve set to record are showing again tomorrow, Wednesday. Thanks.

    • Steven Barr

      Yes we should have allied ourselves with Nazi Germany, the butcher of tens of millions of Russians, Poles, Czechs, French, Serbs, Dutch and Scandinavians. What role models for white survival!

      • MrMagog

        Yes, I have a problem with his plan for the slavs as well.

        • David Ashton

          We still don’t yet know the full truth about the so-called Generalplan Ost, but the Nazis are unlikely to come out as liberals in disguise.

          We do know that towards the end of the war Himmler proposed an alliance of the Germanic, Latin and Slavic peoples against the Far Eastern threat. Unfortunately he died before he could give evidence at Nuremberg.

          • MrMagog

            Towards the end of the war? Pshhhh! Please, they were clutching at straws at that point.

          • David Ashton

            Agreed. They had some chance previously with Vlassov and blew it. My point is that we may not have got the whole picture about Himmler, but I prefer not to use AmRen to discuss the pros and cons of events 70 years ago and instead to start with a clean slate in prescribing a co-operative future for all the white nations.

        • Matt Turner

          I think Hitler may have conflated a people with it’s government. I don’t think he was very well informed about the rest of Europe; it’s peoples and histories. I read a biography on Hitler by Ian Kershaw. In book 2 Nemises, Kershaw relates an exchange Hitler had with his guests, in which Hitler admitted that the number of blond and blue-eyed Ukrainians he had seen during his visit to the Ukraine had shaken his racial beliefs somewhat.

          • MrMagog

            He may not have been informed, so… are you saying that maybe when he was almost finished with the slavs he may have come around?

          • Matt Turner

            It’s not a matter of Hitler “coming around”. It’s a matter of claiming that any views described as “NAZI”, are false simply because at some point in history there were some actual Nazis who held some misguided if not outright false views.

          • tlk244182

            Thanks for clearly pointing out a crucial distinction which many people overlook.

          • Brad

            First, last and always, the Nazis were ANTI-COMMUNIST.

          • Matt Turner

            Agreed.

          • Matt Turner

            Update.
            Or let me put it another way. Forget Hitler for a second. Think of some German guy, living in Germany, doing Gemanyey (Germanistic?) things, circa say, 1937. There is German art, culture, and technology all around him. He reads the papers (hence ill informed) and concludes that the citizens of these obscure (to him) and foreign lands must be dusky inferiors. My point is not to justify Nazi misconceptions, (by the way my wife is of Ukrainian descent) but to point out that whatever was wrong with “Nazi” ideology wasn’t intrinsic to Nazism itself, but could be better understood as the Nazis simply being men of their time and place.
            I am not justifying. Simply giving context.

          • MrMagog

            Well, I’m just saying I’m glad he didn’t get to exterminate the slavic peoples

          • Brad

            It is absurd to suggest that Hitler was not well-informed. Despite the unbelievable continuing barrage of attacks against Hitler (e.g., on the History Channel, ad nauseum) it remains a fact that in just four years in the 1930s he brought Germany from a divided and defeated country mired in economic depression to the most vibrant, productive and optimistic country in Europe. No leader, before or since, has accomplished such a feat.
            You, my friend, are the one who is not well-informed.

          • Matt Turner

            You misunderstand me. I am not saying he wasn’t intelligent or educated. I simply said that he had misguided views in some respects.

          • Brad

            Who doesn’t?

      • jayvbellis

        The butchers of French? Dutch? Scandinavians?

        Even for a television addicted Amurikan that’s pretty bad.

        Do you believe the propaganda from World War I that the Germans were barbaric Huns – cutting off the arms of Belgian babies? How about the Iraq war propaganda that Iraq had weapons of mass destruction threatening the entire f…

        Free world!

        Did you fall for the Trayvon Martin propaganda?

        Wow!

        • Steven Barr

          It’s not propaganda, it’s historical fact. Nazi Germany murdered millions. If you can’t face up to that then go and vent your spleen on Stormfront and leave Amren to civilised nationalists.

          • Martel

            A civilised nationalist recognizes that another “nation” was rightly considered a threat at the time. Though the threat, in hindsight may have been overrated, it did exist in those days. Ask Churchill.

          • MrMagog

            So did Russia, So did Turkey, So did China, So did Japan, So did England, So did France, So did the US. Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

          • Brad

            But the USSR and China murdered many, many millions more – of their own people.

        • Sick of it

          Look at his name.

      • sulbernick

        Didn’t the English and Americans kill more French than the Germans?

      • Brad

        This was after German peace overtures were rejected by Britain, France, et al. First and foremost, Germany was anti-communist while Britain, France and the USA allied with the communist USSR against Germany. So after defeating and destroying Germany, the Allies spent the next half-century fending off the USSR’s aggressive communist campaign against them. Was this stupid or what?

    • Nevsky

      I highly respect Germans, many people don’t know that – but many Germans contributed to the overall development of the Russian Empire, US, Latin American countries.

      There are countless companies, factories, businesses they’ve founded around the world. What an efficient, resourceful, pragmatic nation they are.

      And, they make some awesome food and alcohol too!

      • MrMagog

        The “Baltic Germans” were the ones that made up the ruling class of much of Tsarist Russia, as well as the top rungs of the military. A very intelligent, competent and noble people. The “Russian” empire would not have functioned nor existed without them.

        • Nevsky

          Very true, as a full blooded Slavic Russian Im telling you – most of the Russians hold Germans in high esteem.

          There’s obsoletely zero negativity towards Germans. There was even survey in which Russians voted Germany as the most liked foreign country.

          Catherine the Great, an ethnic German, transformed Russia into a strong Empire no one wanted to mess with.

          • Sick of it

            She also invited the Anabaptists to settle in Russia and live in peace, whereas other peoples in Europe would have liked nothing more than to murder every one of them…for following the Bible in their daily lives.

          • Nevsky

            She did many great things. A lot of people respect her till this day.

          • jayvbellis

            God bless you!

            I am 25% Russian. The start of my Russian Family was the illegitimate son of Catherine the great – a German princess married to some Russian royal back when Russia was a bit on the lower side of European royalty. This Russian royal was a bit weak, Russians have never liked weak rulers ever. There was a coup, Catherine had an affair with a German officer of a sort of Praterian Guard Count Orloff – their son was the start of my Russian family – all German in Russian. But my family became very Slavic and I wouldn’t trade my Slavic blood for anything. White Slavs are tough, no idiot liberals or worse Libertarians amongst Slavic people.

            Think Somalian Muslim Pirates want to hijack oil tankers manned by tough White Slavs?

            Thinks are looking up for our people. I see a building White Germanic, Slavic alliance building and we will have great French cuisine!

            C’est Bon!

          • Nevsky

            I hope so) Don’t forget, doesn’t matter how controversial Putin is, he’s the only white leader of a powerful country in the world who openly supports traditional values and is against Liberalism.

            Russia is the last bastion of almost homogeneously identitarian politics and philosophy.

            I remember once speaking of Berlusconi, he said smth alone the lines ” Look at he European values, Berlusconi is being persecuted because he lives with a woman, if he lived with a man, I’m sure no one would bother him”

            Also I remember watching a ceremony on a Red Square dedicated to Crimea reuniting with Russia, which was translated to the whole country. So one of the speakers was mocking the West and US, and he said about Obama that he should be employed by KKK – can you imagined things like that being said about Obama in any other Western country by major public figures?

            And that speaker held his speech right before Putin took word lol

      • Matt Turner

        Host a Warsteiner!

        • Nevsky

          What is it? A beer?

          • Matt Turner

            Yes sir!

          • http://youtube.com/user/antiquesunlight antiquesunlight

            Yes.

          • Nevsky

            On my “to try” list

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Apologize to nobody and take your sacred country back, Englishmen. No real White should demand an apology for past dead grievances from any other real White these days.

      No matter how depraved things might get here, I always, as a young man, found comfort in my heart as an “English American” that heck, I could always emigrate to the land of my beloved and esteemed ancestors.

      What the hell happened?!?!

      Damage has been done, but much can be undone with sensible action and word.
      Take back your birthright Englishmen! On your terms!

    • jayvbellis

      44 positive thumbs up, 0 negative thumbs down.

      The Amren readership agrees.

      White English, White Brits – time to bury the hatchet.

      Apologize to Germans, regular Germans.

      Tell them how sorry you are.

      Your apology has nothing, absolutely nothing to do with hating Jews .

      You’re just sorry for World War I and World War II .

      Going forward English people and Germans are not enemies – should never have been enemies in the past, definitely not now, not in the future.

      Stay strong brothers and sisters , and remember …

      Kindness means being kind to our own kind.

    • newscomments70

      That is an extreme statement and times were different, but I understand your point. Nazi Germany wanted to enslave Britain, not liberate them. At that time both countried did not support mass, third world immigration. A pro-white government would be much better for Britian and Germany. At this time, both countries are emasculated and becoming Africanized.

      • jayvbellis

        Oh shut up. Germany never wanted to “enslave” British people. Where do people come up with these nonsense ideas?

        • newscomments70

          The nazi regime was a brutal dictatorship. I don’t think that the British people wanted to be ruled by a foreign dictatorship. Submission to a foreign invader is a form of slavery. I suppose it is possible to argue that Nazi rule would be better than white genocide. Stalinist rule would be have been better than white genocide, but I wouldn’t want that either. It’s impossible to know exactly, it never happened. I would like to see third world immigration reversed, but I don’t think that Nazism is a solution.

        • Brad

          Initially, Nazi Germany did everything it could to ally with Britain, but moneyed interests in Britain and their vainglorious running dog, Winston Churchill, put a stop top to this. The final result, of course, was the dissolution of the British Empire and bankrupt Britain’s loss of international status while communist USSR emerged as the real winner of WWII and a looming threat to Western democracies for a half-century.

          • SoulInvictus

            “moneyed interests in Britain”

            That is certainly one way to euphemistically phrase it.;)

  • JohnEngelman

    It should not have taken Europeans this long to figure out that black and Muslim immigration is not beneficial to them. Fortunately, they are learning.

    • David Ashton

      They knew it from Day One. Being able to do something about it has only recently arrived.

      • M.

        Exactly. If anything, you feel those things on an instinctive level.

        • David Ashton

          It has only just been practicable to register some significant protest through the available electoral system, rather than opinion polls and other lawful demonstrations of opposition, though whether even “anti-racist” UKIP will break the pattern in first-past-the-post parliamentary elections remains to be seen.

          In 1959 Oswald Mosley was accorded, though on a multiple policy manifesto, only 8% of the votes in immigration-sensitive North Kensington, about a quarter of his previous canvass returns, and with ballot boxes unprotected by the police, a few of which were later suspected as missing from the count. Later I met Colin Atkins, a young white former agricultural adviser in Africa, who stood as an independent entirely on a “stop colored immigration” platform and, after managing almost alone to canvass just a third of his chosen constituency, obtained nearly 20% of the votes cast,

  • tetrapod

    As an inveterate pessimist, I wish the identitarians had made a stronger showing.

    The West will never be free until the last multicult traitor is strangled with the entrails of the last subversive tribal swindler.

  • David Ashton

    Thank you, Adrian, for a balanced appraisal, much needed even here.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Some of the people and parties that are described here as “libertarian” don’t seem so libertarian to me. Then again, maybe we’re operating on different definitions of “libertarian.”

    In spite of UKIP’s many flaws, I’m glad it did as well as it did, mainly because it makes the right people mad. To put it another way, if you put UKIP’s problems on one side of the scale, and UKIP’s enemies and the vitriol they direct toward it on the other side of the scale, there’s no comparison. (It’s like Vladimir Putin — He’s far from perfect, and does some bizarre things, but the choice is between Putin and the people that hate Putin for the reasons they hate Putin. That said, it’s an easy choice for me.) UKIP’s success is a pretty good proxy on growing nationalist sentiment in England, and if it did not do that well, our enemies would be taking victory laps.

    Marine Le Pen is now probably the white world’s most prominent nationalist political figure.

    • jayvbellis

      QD – you are the best commenter on Amren and have very solid, practical real world political experience.

      You know what works.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Most of the nationalist and crypto-nationalist parties in Europe that contested and got good results in MEP elections this week won because they offered their own people something to vote for, something the people could grasp onto, some raison d’etre, some real tangible hope. Especially something positive.

        Meanwhile, the American “official” opposition offers us: Jeb Bush, Chris Christie. Yawn.

        And worse, our own movement in our own country in too many places, even some of my favorite sources, written by some of my favorite people and bloggers, is promulgating the notion that our movement, WN, EN, HBD, RR, or whatever you want to call it, necessarily depends on failure, destitution and ignorance to be successful. Too many of our people will call losing winning and call a relatively minor win but a win nonetheless, like UKIP in England, to be a loss.

        Meanwhile, here comes one blog post after another on some of my favorite blogs hoping for oil to run out (“peak oil”) so we can all go back to the stone age, and that way, we’ll win and beat our enemies. What a deal. Who’s going to want to invest serious power in people that preach and embrace collapse and destitution? Even if they happen to be right about peak oil and civilization fall down go boom, nobody will still trust us with power. As someone who has recently made the lateral move to a job that involves a lot of PR, I can attest that constant negativity is a dead end, especially in politics.

        I’m going to be really careful trying to put words in Jared Taylor’s mouth, and if I’m wrong, I’ll be happy to be corrected. But the impression I have gotten from what Jared Taylor has wanted from our movement over the years, and his reason for starting and leading AR, has always been that our movement should be one that is set up in such a way that there’s a linear relationship between how successful our movement is and how educated, enlightened and prosperous our people are. In other words, go the opposite way of the nabobs of negativity.

  • Lionel

    Data processing and questionnaires (ballots) evade the deeper analysis of what is really
    going on inside the voters. I’d feel better informed from a summary of covert tape recordings made by bright talented somewhat psychopathic interviewers ( with a background in the dark science of advertising ) who had sat down with dozens and dozens of voters from across the spectrum to weasel into their emotions and unspoken thoughts.

  • DaveMed

    The second is essentially libertarian in inspiration. It is concerned about individual rights and economic freedoms, not group interests or national identity. Americans will recognize this kind of “rightist” party all too well.

    ________________________________________________________

    I do wonder to what degree the “libertarian” positions might be smokescreens for more identitarian ideals. For example, there are probably some libertarians in America who are racial realists and believe that by cutting government down to their desired size (which will never happen, of course), non-Whites would have less ability to leech off of Whites.

    Could the FN actually take power in France? That is now a real and exciting possibility, but will not happen quite yet. This would probably require a major economic crisis in the Eurozone that finally discredited the existing political class so completely that an electoral majority could be found for radical change.

    ________________________________________________________

    I understand what Mr. Davies is saying, and I think that it’s true. I just want to remark that as long as such political winds depend on economics, we really aren’t making much progress.

    Economies swing upward and downward, and they are fickle friends when it comes to establishing political momentum. I believe the FN is more animated by opposition to mass immigration and the Islamization of France, though, so I think the FN will continue to swell.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      This has somewhat to do what I’ve said elsewhere on this thread. If you hitch your wagon to the economy, then you are at the mercy of its inevitable ebbs and flows. Our movement should include economic concerns but ultimately transcend them. We shouldn’t promise economic utopia nor peddle / hope for destruction as a fulcrum to gain power. A good quality nationalist and identitarian message, combined with competent elected officials from our movement, doing a good job once they get power, as FN local officials in France are already doing, will probably inoculate our movement from economic ups and downs.

      • DaveMed

        Exactly. I would say that the gist of a nationalist message should be: “If you elect us, jobs will not be hemorrhaging overseas or be filled by foreign cheap labor. You will still be able to afford cars and houses. You may not be able to take eight weeks of vacation per year, and you may have to pay a few cents more per pound of apples. But at least you will have a nation – a people. For that, a couple of extra dollars spent per trip for groceries is a fair price.”

  • Nevsky

    Good news, but I still thinks most of the Europeans are sheepish cowards. Are they blind? Don’t they look around when they take a bus, go grocery shopping, go to public service office, go to school to pick up their kids?

    Don’t they see how their countries look like?

    Right wing parties shoud’ve taken at least 50% in very country.

    • Puggg

      Don’t throw stones from inside a glass house that doesn’t have anyone coming up the political pike like Marine Le Pen, not even Nigel Farage.

      • Nevsky

        its because I care too much

  • Puggg

    It seems to me that one of the reasons the Ukip did pretty well is that its leader, Nigel Farage, seems to be a guy with a personality that a lot of people can relate to, either because they are that way themselves, or they wish they could be like that, or it reminds them of their gregarious grandfathers or uncles or what not. But what he is not is some stuck up rigid stiff constantly preaching to people and scaring people and being a know it all finger pointer.

  • jeffaral

    Marine Le Pen hates the banksters and has stated many times that Goldman-Sacks rule Europe, for which she was more than once accused of Anti-semitism.

    • MrMagog

      Seems that accusation has lost it’s effectiveness!

    • Geo1metric

      She should watch her six and have others watching her six.

  • MrMagog

    Let’s not get too happy, We’ve got a long way to go!

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      Every bit of good news keeps us sane, though. We can’t always be negative pessimists. It would be impossible to live with that mindset. We all know we have a long way to go, but this is still a major improvement. Time to celebrate.

  • ncpride

    While reading reviews about the elections in Europe, you would think the sky was falling and Hitler himself was on the march. What was thrilling was the comments section….people from all over the world cheering and pretty much telling the authors of such articles to sit down and shut their mouths. Racist, Nazi, Bigots… blah,blah,blah have lost their meaning and they don’t care anymore. A strong message to be sure.

  • Steven Barr

    UKIP’s leaders are not nationalists but many of their supporters are. In the sixties and seventies the British Communist Party saw its membership almost halve at a time of growing left wing militancy. Why? Because the cleverer Marxists realised that the best course of action to take in order to gain power was not to waste their time on a party with no chance of governing but instead infiltrating the Labour Party and changing it to fit their vision for the country. By the early eighties they were in contol of the party and many senior figures took their orders directly from Moscow.
    The BNP’s failure is not UKIP’s fault but theirs. They are rank amateurs.

  • Steven Barr

    A gypsy feminist? I’ve seen it all now

    • MrMagog

      I think she was in the movie “From Russia with Love”

    • Nevsky

      What else to expect from Sweden?

    • David Ashton

      A walking contradiction in terms.

    • Martel

      Just pulling another con.

    • M.

      She’s probably a lesbian too. But as the author said, it is Sweden.

  • Pro_Whitey

    In keeping with the theme of paying mind to presentation, let’s pay some mind to labels, too. Parties like Front National should claim the centrist label, and they should, because they more likely comport with the opinions of the average true Frenchman (i.e., not muslim, Arab, or African) than the socialists or any other party, especially on the FN’s core issues. The left knows that unlike the child’s aphorism, names do hurt in politics. People who are not as politically aware tend to think of themselves as middle of the road, so they are naturally sympathetic to anyone who claims to be with them. The leftists claim center, moderate, independent labels all the time to exploit that, and they use the extremist, far right labels to cause a divide between us and the low info voters. Claiming the center gives us an in with such people, and we should take it.

  • coco bongo

    Baby steps in the correct direction. That’s all. They need to suffer much more before they come to grips with their INSANE leftism regarding immigration and their sickening love of diversity. UKIP ain’t squat!

    • Geo1metric

      Do not conflate the goals of the “elites” with the goals of the people.

  • CourtneyfromAlabama

    Even though I didn’t become aware of American Renaissance until 2004, and was raised in the Neo-Con South (not saying other parts of the country are any better….they are actually worse in regards to race, but better when it comes to having some admiration for Europe), I never ever went along with this Sean Hannity way of “bashing those European sissies”. That way of thinking has never made sense to me. Why would we want to bash the land of our ancestors? Instead, I have always admired Europeans more than I do Americans, and I have always been cheerleaders for them. Glad to see things turning around in France especially…..it is badly needed there!

    • MrMagog

      Sean Who?…..

    • Geo1metric

      Hannity is a neo-con war monger.

    • Garrett Brown

      Sean Hannity never really knows what’s going on… ever.

    • Monmouth78

      It’s good to hear from younger Southerners who understand that the Southern people have been used by the anti-white elites.

      Nationalists in the South need to purge their region from neoconism, Christian Zionism, dispensationalism, anti-Europeanism and the regrettable tendency that many Southerners have towards supporting the police state.

    • Brad

      Minor point, but “Neo-Con South” is an oxymoron. Neocons are usually former liberal intellectuals – often Trotskyites – who seek world domination by military force against all who might be a threat to Israel, i.e., they are American Jews and their sycophants who are Israel-Firsters. .

      • CourtneyfromAlabama

        I always have to guard every word I use on here, it seems. I am not directing that at you, but just making a general observation. Recently, someone corrected me on saying “Scotch-Irish”.

        But you bring up a good point……..

        I actually thought hard before saying “Neo-Con South” in my post. I was mainly using it to mock the Northerners in the movement who enjoy labeling the South that way even though their part of the country is far more lost in so many ways. It is as if they get excited over the one thing they can accuse Southerners of doing that they claim they aren’t guilty of (in regards to racial awareness).

        If the South is “Neo-Con” then the North must be liberal. In some ways, the distinction fits though, if you consider that this part of the country portrays more of the George Bush view on world affairs.

        Labeling the South that way has been engrained in my head so much after reading so many comments on many of the websites in this movement, that it just naturally came out when writing my post. Plus, I thought by writing that, it would perhaps pacify some people.

  • http://youtube.com/user/antiquesunlight antiquesunlight

    For some reason, I discovered myself listening to NPR on the way to my Defense Against Negroes class (i.e., Muay Thai) and they were running a story about the European elections. They attributed the success of the far right to silly paranoia about the economy. The thought that people might not want zillions of foreigners turning their culture on its head didn’t seem to occur to them. But the beautiful thing was that immediately after this story, they ran a (kind of weird) story about the hard times of trout fishermen. See, what’s happening is that this one kind of trout is “invading the territory of” (their words) the other kind of trout and, over time, the two trout groups are “hybridizing.” Unfortunately, the hybrid trout are “decidedly inferior” to the original trout groups, and the ultimate result is that, because fewer of the hybrid trout survive long enough to reproduce, there is a shortage of trout for the fishermen to catch.

  • Sangraal

    I wonder if the Americans watching will get the ‘Farage is a merchant banker’ jibe ;)
    Griffin’s really taking it up a notch, shame he’s lost his seat and much of his support.

    • David Ashton

      I don’t regularly follow BNP comment from supporters or opponents, but have just discovered in a search of Newcastle news that the High Court deprived this party of nearly £400,000 bequeathed by a deceased Englishman in his will, because he lived abroad. In the same way its National Front predecessor was deprived of a massive donation from an English millionaire in Latin America. Yet Salmond’s multi-ethnic leftist closet-republican gang known as the SNP, which is determined to dismember our united kingdom, is funded mainly by a millionaire lottery-winning couple from Ayrshire.

  • Avi Marranazo

    Vive la France française!

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Farage might want to spend some of that disposable income on veneers.

  • Garrett Brown

    I’m pretty sure Switzerland put all of this in motion with their elections a few months ago, yes. Although by a slim margine, they most likely saved their country from desolation. Hopefully la pen can export the Islamic invaders, or at least keep them segregated.

    • Jacobite2

      Switzerland now allows females to vote. They are as good as dead.
      Next, they’ll lower the voting age to six….. months.

      • Garrett Brown

        Women voting isn’t the reason our countries are being destroyed. Women could vote in the 30s through the early 60s and that’s when the US was at its highest peak. The decline began in the mid 60s when we let blacks act the way they want (naturally) and opened the flood gates to third world trash.

        • Jacobite2

          No, not really. no country with male-only voting has ever voted in Socialism. In Europe as well as the US, the Socialist Parties were spinning their wheels until the frails got the vote. Look at voting among whites in the US today. If only white men could vote, FDR would have been the last Dem Prez, and he might not have been able to get us into WW II. Although I am against female sufferage on principle, I can argue for its’ abolition strictly on the facts of female voting patterns.

          • Garrett Brown

            Countries with only male voting are third world hell holes. Where are your statistics of white countries only allowing male votes? I would wager they don’t exist, because male only voting in white countries don’t exist. That’s an empty statement.

          • Jacobite2

            Let’s, see in the US women got the vote after the Constitution was amended, I believe around the time of World War I (i.e., 1914-18). In Great Britain maybe a few years earlier. Switzerland I believe allowed women to vote only in the 1990s. In 1900, women could vote basically nowhere. It’s a very recent event, but the effects have been devastating for the West, as women support Leftist candidates much more than men. And that’s still true as of today in the US.

  • Garrett Brown

    Ah, my apologies. I thought they copied it from France and assumed it was the same wording.

  • Jon

    Most of the Parties seem well grounded except UKIP because it idea is just thrown together and they seem like a hippie party on drugs. The idea of color blind immigration is stupid and that is the reason for a lot of crime from immigration. Lets hope UKIP get the boot because I believe in both family right as well as Personal rights and a lot of the times I think Family right should be more important than personal right because family is the foundations of all nations. Good job Europe and England. Keep up the good work.

  • jayvbellis

    Thanks to everyone who responded thumbs up to my poem asking White English to apologize to the Germans. 67 thumbs up, zero thumbs down, that’s a record at least for my comments.

    All the news from these Euro elections was basically good news for us. The. Exception being Not so Merry old England.

    Another great result was I saw no, Zero support for Ron Paul, Rand Paul race denying, open borders immigration Constitutionalist Libertarianism and/or Austrian School Hayek free marek economics nonsense, not even in Austria. This Austrian cult seems to only seduce confused, deracinated White folks in the United States. Muslim raping/grooming gangs, Jihadist be headers or just women in burkahs tend to cause regular White folks in Europe to shun open borders, Constitutionalist Austrian school free market cults.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      Even though we all know UKIP is not the long term solution, I still consider the results from Not So Merry Ole to be good, for two main reasons: One, for the reasons that UKIP voters voted the way they did, and two, because many of the right kind of people hate UKIP for having won. It’s still a mild win for us, way better than a loss, which is what too many of our people are happy with, losing.

      Meanwhile, I have to read in our own international airport demographic polyglot slash open air insane asylum that calls itself a “country” that libertarians are scratching their heads wondering why there aren’t more black libertarians, as if it’s so hard to figure out that the kind of people that would be most hurt by the implications of the implementation of a given worldview aren’t flocking to embrace that worldview, and as if we should be wasting mental energy and time wondering why a fringe ideology doesn’t have more people from the worst race on Earth professing it.

      Then I look at Europe, one win after another after another.

  • Dutch

    Do not underastimate his concistence, in the end he might just be the jester of the King.

  • Jim

    Thanks for the insights. I’ve never really thought about it like that; the upper classes in Britain have always looked down on the lower classes, regardless of race. That would certainly hinder any racial solidarity.

    Of course, the same has been true here in the US, to some extent, but the old “Jeffersonian” ideal tended to view lower class European Americans with some degree of promise. Regardless, the US and Britain find themselves more or less in the same boat today. But at least your country is still more than 90% white. Not so lucky in the US.