Is Brazil a “Racial Democracy”?

Joe Webb, American Renaissance, September 5, 2012

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Official claims belie a harsh reality.

Edward E. Telles, Race in Another America: The Significance of Skin Color in Brazil, Princeton University Press, 2005, 336 pp., $27.95.

Edward Telles, a professor of sociology at Princeton, has written a useful book that blows the whistle on Brazil’s “racial democracy” and the claim that the country has somehow solved problems that baffle the rest of us. Prof. Telles calls for greater honesty in describing the race question, but his proposed solution—quotas—would only light the fuse for greater conflict. His basic position is that genetic explanations for race differences have been refuted and that inequality is a product of culture. His descriptions of Brazilian society thoroughly debunk the image of harmony.

The myth is that miscegenation solved the Brazilian race problem. Mixing between Portuguese migrants—almost all of whom were men—and blacks produced a roughly half black-and-mulatto and half white population that supposedly gets along without friction. The mulatto is the national symbol.

Brazilian history is, indeed, very different from US history. The Portuguese came without women and brought about seven times as many black slaves as were imported to the United States.  Slavery was not ended until 1888.

Because there were so many blacks in Brazil, in the 1880s the government actively recruited white immigrants. This led to a literal “whitening” of the country, and whites argued that sustained miscegenation would improve the black racial stock.  This notion of improvement-through-whitening remained in force for at least a century and is still commonly believed, much to Prof. Telles’s dismay.

Miscegenation theory gave the Brazilian eugenics movement a unique character. At the First Brazilian Eugenics Conference, held in 1929, there was vigorous debate about whether race mixing with blacks led to degeneracy. Franz Boas himself showed up and claimed that miscegenation was normal and healthy, and that eugenics had nothing to do with race. A Brazilian eugenicist, Fernando Magalhaes agreed, claiming, “We are all Mestizos!” The Brazilian eugenics conference went on to endorse miscegenation, thus distinguishing itself from eugenics elsewhere in the world. The myth of racial democracy, with the mulatto as its national symbol, would persist for another 60 to 70 years.

Franz Boaz took an interest in Brazilian “eugenics.”

In the 1930s, popular social commentator Gilberto Freyre continued to celebrate miscegenation. Freyre and his colleagues believed racial inequality was an artifact of slavery and culture, and would disappear with time. In the 1950s this theory was expanded by the Marxist sociologist Florestan Fernandez, who argued that labor market competition would end racial inequality because careers would reflect merit. Whites would resist equality, but capitalism would create opportunities for advancement, and whites would have to accept mulattos and blacks.

From 1940 to 2000, European immigration decreased, and the percentage of whites fell from 64 percent to 54 percent. Mulattos increased from 21 percent to 43 percent, and blacks declined from 15 to 5 percent. Clearly there was miscegenation by whites, but mostly by the bottom fifth of the socio-economic scale, and mostly with mulattos rather than blacks.

With more whites of both sexes available for marriage, whites in the middle-class and higher turned their backs on miscegenation, leading to a de facto color line. This led, in Prof. Telles’s words, to “marginalization of blacks and browns,” and made it harder to maintain the myth of racial democracy. The myth staggered on into the mid-1990s, but came under increasing attack from black activists and scholars like Prof. Telles. He spends 270 pages telling us that there is terrible inequality in Brazil, which must be ended through strict employment quotas, and penalties for discrimination.

Race in Brazil today

The south of Brazil is majority white, and the north is predominantly black and mulatto.  In most areas there is residential self-segregation; even the favelas, or slums, are segregated. Prof. Telles notes that “color differences between . . . two poor neighborhoods show that class alone may not explain spatial segregation,” but he does not speculate as why the races would separate. Nor does he explain why there is self-segregation between blacks and mulattos.

Rocinha: the largest favela in Rio de Janeiro.

Although there was a “black soul” movement in Brazil beginning in the late 1970s, the country had nothing like the civil-rights disturbances that wracked the United States. In 1964, Congress passed the Civil Rights Act, which banned discrimination in employment and public accommodation, but Brazil did not get equivalent laws until 24 years later. In 1988—100 years after emancipation—a new constitution proclaimed an era of racial equality by making “the practice of racism . . . subject to imprisonment,” and laid the groundwork for hundreds of local anti-discrimination laws.

These laws, however, are rarely enforced; Prof. Telles cites only three cases in 10 years. This appears to be the Brazilian way: lots of laws and much talk, but little or no enforcement.

Prof. Telles draws a distinction between vertical and horizontal inequality. The vertical has to do with jobs, money, status, education, etc., while the horizontal is socializing and even marrying across racial lines. Prof. Telles tells us that despite more horizontal equality than in the United States, vertical inequality remains severe.

Prof. Telles says that according to US Department of Labor statistics, in 1960, an American white man was three times more likely to have a “professional” job than a black man but that by 1996, the differential had dropped to 1.6. For women, the white advantage declined from 2.8 to 1.4.  American racism is therefore held under tenuous control through race preferences and quotas.

In Brazil, Prof. Telles tells us, the gap between whites and blacks-and-mulattos has increased. He says this is due to a racial hierarchy devised and enforced by whites for their own benefit: “Race relations depend on how persons are categorized, a process in which more powerful persons ascribe and impose categories on others.” Many non-whites have internalized this hierarchy and use color to navigate Brazil’s racial labyrinth.  The result, says Prof. Telles, is a “discriminatory glass ceiling” that “prevents them from entering the middle class.”

And yet, if Brazilians have succeeded in establishing a fair measure of “horizontal equality,” why wouldn’t whites hire non-whites they know and like?  According to Richard Lynn, the average IQ in Brazil is 87. If this figure is accurate, and whites are 53 percent of the population, we can calculate the average non-white IQ. If the white average is 100, the non-white average is 72. If the white average is 95, the non-white average is still no more than 78. As they do in the United States, racial gaps in achievement no doubt reflect racial gaps in ability.

As for miscegenation, it now appears to be more myth than reality. Prof. Telles describes a system of exchange in which status, money, and skin color are all carefully evaluated in the marriage market, with very little left of the romance of the racial-rainbow utopia.  Everyone wants to marry light-skinned women, and Prof. Telles depicts painful scenes of the blackest of women who are left on the shelf.

Light-skinned Brazilians are favored on the marriage market.

There appears to be as much racial hypocrisy in Brazil as in the United States, with whites telling pollsters they have integrationist beliefs, but acting differently. The issue of implicit versus explicit racism is the same in both countries.

Despite the myth of the mulatto nation, the Brazilian reality is that blacks are at the bottom with whites at the top. Prof. Telles says the increasing distance between the races is most apparent in a “growing gap in college attainment.”  Brazil is supposed to be booming, but its per capita GNP of about $12,000 is hardly shared equally. As mulattos and blacks fall further behind, there is only the barest welfare system for them.

The word “crime” does not even appear in Prof. Telles’s index, but it is a serious problem in Brazil. The homicide rate, at 26 per 100,000, is more than five times the US rate of 4.7. Gang violence, drug cartel killings, and street crime are common, especially during Carnival. Police have long been accused of simply shooting down black and mulatto street urchins.

Prof. Telles’s solution for these problems is clear: a kind of Great Leap Forward through quotas and systematic racial preferences.  There have been attempts at racial quotas in Brazil, especially in universities, which can accommodate only a few who would like to attend. This appears to be more a measure forced on the country by elites rather than a response to strong demand from non-whites, but anything like the ruthless quotas Prof. Telles recommends would surely send the country into convulsion.

Like many observers of Brazil, Prof. Telles reports less racial rancor than in the United States, despite yawning economic gaps. Could it be that this is because Brazilians grasp the reality of racial differences? Prof. Telles complains that “while nineteenth century scientific theories of white supremacy have since become discredited, such ideas remain deeply embedded in social thinking in Brazil.” If they are “deeply embedded,” it could mean people quietly accept race differences in ability and unequal outcomes. The relative social peace that is built on acceptance of differences would be destroyed by policies that assume an equality that most people know if false.

Whatever the case, the concept of an idealized “racial democracy” is dead and gone. Brazil has a race problem, just like every other multi-racial country. Its ways of dealing with it have sometimes differed from those in the United States, but Brazil’s history confirms that there is no way to avoid the tensions that arise when races of significantly different levels of ability try to live together.

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Mr. Webb is an ex-lib-rad who holds a masters degree in political science from the University of California.
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  • Florida_resident

    [In 1775, the Royal Academy of Sciences in Paris made the statement that the Academy “will no longer accept or deal with proposals concerning perpetual motion. The reasoning was that perpetual motion is impossible to achieve and that the search for it is time consuming and very expensive. According to the members of the academy, those bright minds dedicating their time and resources to this search, could be utilized much better in other, more reasonable endeavors.] Cited from
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_perpetual_motion_machines#cite_
    Nevertheless, I constantly see on Drudge report and in many other places,
     including the post above,
    the advertisement “Power Companies HATE This!”. They cleverly suggest you to buy (for $50.00) _not_ the device itself, but the blueprints of that particular perpetual motion machine. When it will not work (and you may be sure it will _not_ work), all claims will be easily rejected: “Ha-ha, you did not assemble it right!”
    I can not believe that our public is that un-educated.

    Energy conservation law is the cornerstone of modern science.
     
    Respectfully, Florida resident.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

      That ad has appeared on AR at least once.  Drudge’s banner ads are like AR’s banner ad, in that it’s customized to the end user based on the cookies in the end user’s own browser.  For some reason, the AR banner ads I see often feature a lot of scantily clad women.  I have no clue why.

      • Theman

         Maybe because most AR readers are male heterosexuals.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Superb essay-review, Mr. Webb.

    I am reminded of a snippet of conversation from a documentary on race presented by Norwegian journalist Harald Eia, featured on Amren.com early this summer:

    HARALD EIA (to viewers): Race science has been used to repress populations. But could it be that they [race scientists] were on to something? That race actually exists?

    KNUT OLAV AAMAAS [Norwegian philosopher and newspaper editor]: I feel that science has proved that human races don’t exist. I feel that there are much more than 90 percent of all the genes in human body that are common for all people. What separates us is a very small percentage.

    EIA [to viewers]: Over 90 percent. Are we really that similar? Dag Undlien
    is a professor in medical genetics in Ullevaal Hospital. He has recent figures.
    What is the right number?

    UNDLIEN: 99.5 percent is what we talk about now. That’s the best estimate
    of how similar you and I are.

    EIA [to viewers]: So there is only a half a percent that differs in us
    humans. But how similar are we to our closest relative, the chimpanzee?

    UNDLIEN: Then we’re down to 98.5 percent roughly. That’s the last I
    saw.

    EIA [to viewers]: So only 1.5 percent differs from this little lady [camera
    show small chimp] to us humans. [to Undlien]. Dog breeds are different. How
    dissimilar are they genetically?

    UNDLIEN: There is no greater difference in dogs from different breeds than
    in humans.

    EIA [to viewers, while camera shows a split screen shot of a poodle and a
    German shepherd]:

    These two dogs are more similar genetically than these two humans
    [camera shows a split screen of the head of a bushman and of Eia]. So that half
    a percentage point may be more meaningful than we think.

    UNDLIEN: What’s striking is that we are very similar. But the small
    percentage that differs in us is very interesting. Because it’s there our
    differences originate. That gives us our different traits.

    COMMENT: That “small percentage” has required endless and elaborate rationalizations and deceptions on the part of American and European academics, politicians and judges.   And their rationalizations, fraud and/or outright incompetence has produced endless misery and vexation for white  populations targeted for their “remedies”.

    SOURCE (for EIA quotes):

    Race Norwegian Television’s Harald Eia (Video – 38 minutes)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jUxpMBl7RBY

  • Detroit_WASP

    “Everyone wants to marry light-skinned women, and Prof. Telles depicts painful scenes of the blackest of women who are left on the shelf.”

    Maybe this is why so many black women in the US have children out of wedlock.  No one will marry them?  Combine this with generous welfare checks, who needs a man?

  • anmpr1

     …sustained miscegenation would improve the black racial stock. 

    In fact, it results in degeneration of the white gene pool.

    Race relations depend on how persons are categorized…

    No.  Relations between higher men and the uncivilized depend upon the latter’s ability to adapt to civilized ways.   But since it is unrealistic to expect the lower to ever assimilate into the higher, it really depends upon maintaining a clear demarcation between disparate groups, with minimal “crossing over.”  This was the real purpose of Jim Crow.

    Prof. Telles’s solution for these problems is clear: a kind of Great
    Leap Forward through quotas and systematic racial preferences.

    The original Marxist inspired Chinese Communist Great Leap was based upon an economic lie.  A “racial” Great Leap would have to based upon a corresponding lie, but instead it would be a socio-biological lie grounded in Cultural Marxism, and not simply a falsehood stemming from a misguided political-economic theory. 

  • ncpride

    Excellent. I can point out this article to a poster on another site that claims we will all be one blended race in the US eventually. Not a chance. Each race will always prefer the company of their own and will self segregate that way as well.

  • WmarkW

    The lynchpin under which represses the entire AmRen philosophy is differential intelligence.  Once that becomes acceptable as a valid veiwpoint, every argument that achievement disparities constitute proof that barriers exist disappears.  It”s step one before discussing enclaves, secession, or libertarian politics to get away from results-madated affirmative action. 

    • TheTruthHurts4

       Laissez Faire capitalism provides superior people with freedom, wealth, and leisure. It disciplines the inferior with the hard rod of economic adversary.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FQ4X27IVLMRHLSOCCFXLGXCYXM Swimologist

        I think the last word in your post you meant “adversity.” Either way,
        that’s a T-shirt right there.

        • TheTruthHurts4

           Corrected, thank you.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    Whites in Brazil go from “true” Whites to very light mixed people who are treated as Whites. Many Hispanics in the US- not those on fugitive lists- would be treated as Whites- say, Mariah Carey (not her offspring) or Eva Longoria. I suppose George Zimmerman would be White in Brazil.
    True pardos-coloreds- are visibly not White. US examples would be someone like Paula Patton (see pic) or Halle Berry.
    Blacks are Denzel etc. Pitch Blacks are Wesley Snipes or Yaphet Kotto. 
    http://ionehellobeautiful.files.wordpress.com/2010/12/46a25e74.png

    Btw- those biracial albino kids have something utterly strange in them, visually. Not wanting to hurt anyone, they seem out of place everywhere.

    • Ignacio

      It depends on what part of Brazil we are talking about, but there are regions where their standards are not that different from America except people there are more of Southern European extraction. It is a very big and diverse country.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

        Of course, I was talking only about big picture.

    • pc must go

      And even many of those Puerto Rican or Brazilian  “whites” are like, 1/16th or less black- it gets hard to tell who’s pure white after awhile, but the same could be said of Southern Italians, Jews, and Spaniards (Morescos, Moors).  Barack Hussein Obama’s white mother turned out to have jewish, native american (I’ve seen the pix of the relative in question, I believe it), and 100’s of years ago, a black male ancestor.

      She wasn’t exactly a blond anyways. We have these “whites” in America- Jim Jones (the cult leader), Elvis Presley, the great Patsy Cline (clearly mixed!), the lead singer of the Traveling Wilbories… the black hair is coming from somewhere, probably Amer-Indian blood.I’ve met dozens of whites in life who truly do have native american blood in them… and you would never know, or have to look hard for it in the eyes or cheekbones usually.Yes, many American whites have tiny bits of that and this in them. It gets bleached out. 
      We just don’t have as many here, and it got more bleached. 

      We have many more pure whites here + white immigrants who had no chance to do this race mixing.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

         You know I’m not against small amount of race-mixing with Indians etc. Just:

        a) small
        b) non- black

        Elvis is White in my book, as well as Jones & others. Problem with Blacks is that you can get a full Black progeny after 4 generations- which is impossible for descendants of Whites mixed with some Asians or similar populations.
        A very good example are Tatars in Russia who are visually now White & some 200 years go had still been Mongoloid.

    • anmpr1

      Many Hispanics in the US- not those on fugitive lists- would be treated
      as Whites- say… Eva Longoria.

      However they are treated, these folks consider themselves to be non-White once the game of racial politics begins.

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

        These are egoic deceptions of people without identity. 

  • WmarkW

     I agree, and unlike most on AmRen, I think we have an obligation to create a society in which blacks can live lives appropriate to their development level.  Clearly, letting them indulge the privileges whites can (like non-marital sex) has been a disaster for them, making them a blight on us.  That’s why illegal immigration concerns me more than most black issues do — it takes away the jobs they CAN do, or undercuts their ability earn a living on their own.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

      It’s not doable. I’m not heartless SOB, but …. never mind, I’m tired of explaining.

  • JohnEngelman

    Countries where nearly everyone is white or Oriental have considerable advantages over countries that have large third world populations.  
                                         
    Diversity is not a strength, but a problem that must somehow be addressed. For countries that in the past imported large numbers of Negro slaves it is a congenital ailment that can be treated, but not cured. For countries that never inflicted on themselves the curse of the slave trade it is a problem that must be avoided by excluding third world immigration.  

  • IstvanIN

    That miscegenation is a plus for blacks or a disaster for whites has been proven conclusively on the island of Hispaniola.  Look at all black Haiti versus mostly mulatto Dominican Republic.  One is desperately poor  but at least green.  The other is a complete disaster, hopelessly savage and ecologically denuded.  You do not need to compare Iceland, Botswana and Taiwan 2012 to find real racial differences.

    • Ulick

      “Look at all black Haiti versus mostly mulatto Dominican Republic.  One is desperately poor  but at least green.  The other is a complete disaster, hopelessly savage and ecologically denuded.”

      You are correct, and the Dominicans know why there half of the island is better.  The Dominican Republic has very strict immigration laws against Haitians for that reason.  Of course, the Haitians scream that this is racism.  As is expected, it is not possible for that demographic to be introspective and honest as to why they are not wanted in most lands.  Even those lands where the people are only slightly lighter like in the Dominican Republic.

      “Haitians living and working as illegal immigrants in the Dominican Republic, which shares the island of Hispaniola, have grouped together recently to protest their treatment. The Dominican Republic denies citizenship to Haitians who migrate there to work, and also denies citizenship to Haitian children born in the country.”

      (From an NPR sob story on the poor, victimized Haitians)

      http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=6209649

  • IstvanIN

     There are two fixes; 1) separation, or 2) sterilization.

  • jeffaral

    Totally forgotten the genetic contribution of indian natives in Brazil.   Anyway Brazil is so mixed up that most “Whites” are normally of a darker complexion, non-european really.   Brazil is more similar to India, a caste society.   Btw the welfare system in Brazil is relatively good, in fact better than in many eastern european countries, thanks to the economic boom.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/TUXEUSM5UCO3DWBTLJF4F6C6WY Morris

      What you say is absolutely not true. Most  Brazilians who are considered “white” are not mixed with africans. You are thinking of mulattos. Many  of the “white” Brazilians are descendants of Portuguese and Italian immigrants, so they will be darker than those of Northern European ancestry. 

      • jeffaral

        Surely you never was in Brazil.    There are many southern Italians and Arabs in Brazil who consider themeselves pure Whites.     People just forget Brazilians have a considerable amount of native Indian blood.  Brazil has always been race-mixed.   Whiteness is a relative concept. 

  • TheTruthHurts4

    The United States has gone downhill since the civil rights movement. A multi racial country can only be great when inferior races experience inferior status.
                 
    The Immigration Deform Act of 1965 was a mistake too. We never should have allowed non whites to move here. 

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/TUXEUSM5UCO3DWBTLJF4F6C6WY Morris

      It will all have to be undone or else the US will break into the white section and the non white section, as Brazil has effectively done.

  • TheTruthHurts4

     Blacks should pay us reparations for all their crime and welfare expense. The United States would be a much better country if they were not here.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/AKAY5CJ6NMQVMUPJCGUWJKSLQQ Peppermint

       It’s an important point to raise.  No one should pay anyone reparations.  But I’d be willing to chip in to help them start their own country that they can all move to and leave us alone.

      • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FWMCMK6U5OWRHYIYJAF2TPFL2U thomas

        The have their own country and it’s called Liberia! We just never got around to sending them back….

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    One more degrading thing from too much black presence: oversexualization with all its accompanying debilitations & social upheavals. Great civilizations knew the power of sex; they also knew its creative and destructive potentials and were wary about it, all the time.

    I Ching, ancient Chinese book of changes (actually, wisdom), says: “He who nourishes higher parts of his nature is a superior man; he who
    nourishes lower parts of his nature is an inferior man” (or woman).
    Anatomically, traditional psychologies, East and West, had considered
    higher parts those above solar plexus- heart, thymos (in Plato) will and mind;
    lower are stomach (gluttony) and sex. Being a slave to sex, especially
    sex fetishes; this is degrading. We in the West, from Ovid via St. Augustine to Freud, variously accentuating segments of sexuality & moving from moral psychology to that of conflicting drives embedded – but not reducible to -in our biological substructure, have dismantled many of unnecessary baggage connected with this area of human life.

    But- the trap is: for developed humans sex is an area people can find pleasure in, passion and much more. Just- there is much, much more in life than that. No developed man or woman can find life’s “fulfillment” in sex. If they can, they’re animalistic dumbsters. And that’s where Blacks enter the scene: they are, most of them, unable to rise above base level of being. Their sexuality is, in our eyes, divorced from morality. In fact- what’s their sexual morality ?

    The Portuguese are not sex obsessed nation. Nor were Americans until 1950s. High rates of promiscuity, almost sick obsession with sexual matters, obscene references wherever you turn- this is Black influence in mixed-races societies cultures. I suspect that much quoted Albert Schweitzer’s opinion on Africans has as much to do with their inability to be anything more than copulation-obsessed species (and not much more) as it was a reflection on IQ or any other aspect of their behavior.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkJIoklvRog&list=LLdWZiXF8aRjl_3tq_NHih-A&feature=mh_lolz

    • KD_Did

      Agreed. I see, even in whites, intelligence is equal to how base their existence. This is very much evident in the way most blacks act. They’re fully ready to be sexually promiscuous but unavailable to the responsibilities that come with it. They are more like animals.

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/TUXEUSM5UCO3DWBTLJF4F6C6WY Morris

      The American culture was put through a process of “africanization” that actually started back in the 1920s with the jazz movement. Each generation of white people pushed the line farther and farther. I think it has gone as far as it will go. At some point about 20 years ago, blacks stopped trying to conform to white norms of behavior and instead started celebrating their base nature. In other words, they decided to let it all hang lose and “get jiggy wit it”. What they are producing today, in the form of music and entertainment is now clashing with the inner nature of the young white people. Sure, there are some wiggas with their pants down low, but most young white people instinctively recoil from what they see blacks doing now.

  • Danimalius

    This article makes me curious, is there much explicit white advocacy in Brazil?

    • http://profile.yahoo.com/TUXEUSM5UCO3DWBTLJF4F6C6WY Morris

      It seems that it is not stated or acknowledged but that it is in fact how the whole society oprerates 

      • Danimalius

        Reminds me of America’s past. I just wonder if Brazil could go down that same road.. after all, people are trying to lead them down it. I’d rather whites work to prevent a catastrophe then work to overcome one.

  • IstvanIN

     There is always the exception to the rule.  And I still do not want to live in the US of Suriname.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TUXEUSM5UCO3DWBTLJF4F6C6WY Morris

    If people like Telles get to implement their wonderful “plans”, then I would bet that the country we know of as Brazil will break into two countries, the north and the south.

  • http://profile.yahoo.com/TUXEUSM5UCO3DWBTLJF4F6C6WY Morris

    Yeah, the country of Suriname, leader of what exactly?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_3X7O2AHVO4FIZUQ4ASURUOY7WE Slippery

    From what I understand, Suriname is more Indian/Southeast Asian than Black.  That’s a huge difference.  Indians have never entertained negro sexuality.  They have religion, order. etc.  It’s hardly news that they are capable of producing some kind of civilization that we can admire and respect.  And I’m sure most of them would be offended that you even brought them up in a discussion about negro sexuality. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    These things are fundamentally different:

    * no affirmative action in Brazil re education & employment, especially at government jobs
    * no constant push from government to promote blacks & browns to all prominent positions, from science and academia to economy & politics
    * no- at least in theory- massive media lying about Blacks’ achievements in all human fields
    * no separate higher education institutions for Blacks (except politically motivated university in past few years). No 20+ historically Black colleges & universities from 19th century
    * Brazilian lowbrow culture (and a part of highbrow) is Africanized, unlike that in the US. American popular dances & music, for Whites, have been, historically, rooted in European tradition (Switzerland, Ireland, England,..). There is a distinct White American culture- musical, literary & philosophical that has nothing to do with Blacks.

    I don’t know whether there are available interracial crime statistics; also, I doubt that Black Brazilians are much into nutty subculture like many Blacks in the US (Egypt, UFOs from pyramids etc.)

    But, I’m convinced that Sailer was telling the truth: http://isteve.blogspot.com/2012/02/are-brazilians-latinos.html

  • Hal K

    This is from a few days ago in the New York Times:

    “Brazil’s government has enacted one of the Western Hemisphere’s most sweeping affirmative action laws, requiring public universities to reserve half of their admission spots for the largely poor students in the nation’s public schools and vastly increase the number of university students of African descent across the country.”

    Evidently they have white guilt in Brazil too.

  • Ulick

    Where I live, blacks have awesome jobs.  They get paid great salaries with great benefit packages, and they only have to work 37.5 hours per week in a low stress, low skill job.  Of course, I live in Washington, DC where black people are disproportionately represented in federal government positions.  It’s a blatant attempt to keep black unemployment down and to try to elevate blacks into the middle class with salaries that no private employer would pay for the amount of work done in return. 

    My favorite is when I go to the Smithsonian museums.  When you go in the elevators, instead of hitting the button yourself, there is a worker sitting in the elevator (always black) who pushes the button for you.  That’s all they do.  Somebody told me they make $60K a year with benefits.  It really wouldn’t surprise me with how DC is run.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    Not to be too optimistic, quotas are-in NYT article-low, ca. 20%. Even with that, Brazil may survive almost intact.
    Of course, if they try loony things as in the US or in Europe, that’s quite another matter …

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

     True white popular culture- not. For instance, country music. Plus, all dances- cowboy stuff and east coast European dances from polka to waltz- have nothing to do with Blacks.

  • TheTruthHurts4

     Wherever dark skinned and light skinned people live in the same country the light skinned people have more status.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bardon-Kaldian/100003542251801 Bardon Kaldian

    50% ? Unsustainable. Really, really, the road to Hell is paved with good intentions …

  • Brother Theodore

    Who are you gonna believe, Me or your lying eyes….
    as Michael Levin once said, Whites are forced to prove the obvious….

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_WP6FBJWJYEU7S6TMNJS5D2BB5M Luis

    Unbelieveable that some people thought miscegenation would improve the Bantu stock. That’s like saying a Rottweiler can be improved upon by mating it with a Chihuahua.

  • mia

    Well… This information is now outdated as far as the census count goes. Blacks are now for the firsT time a majority in brazl on the census. They say its always been that way but the census was never too accurate becausE a lack of pride is what made blacks marks the warping thing on the census.for the first time in brazils history black and mixed people are the official majority of Brazil and this percentage increasE is due to more afro Brazilians taking pride in being black

  • An Observer

    A very well done book review. Mr. Webb is to be congratulated for even reading and finishing a book like that, a book which has such transparent falsities that likely spring out by the handful on every page. And Mr. Webb is to be commended for writing a long, intelligent, and thoughtful review of the book without once losing his patience and dismissing the whole book as laughable but dangerous nonsense. We need reviews like this; we need to know precisely what people like Prof. Telles are writing, so we can gauge the frequency with which such writings appear, so can gauge whether we care gaining or losing the battle for a natural, organic, beautiful, and happy society.