Via Suspects Discussed Alternative Plans to Poison Air/Water to Kill up to 100,000 People

Jessica Murphy, Toronto Sun, May 9, 2013

Two of the Via Rail terror suspects allegedly contemplated poisoning the air or water before settling on the plot to target a passenger train, according to newly released U.S. court documents.

The fresh details came to light Thursday as American authorities revealed an FBI sting operation scooped up a third man in connection to the foiled plot to derail a train between Toronto and New York.

Ahmed Abassi, a Tunisian citizen who previously lived in Canada, has been charged with two counts of knowingly making false statements in an application to immigration authorities for a green card and work visa, in order to facilitate an act of international terrorism.


Authorities arrested Abassi at New York’s JFK airport on April 22, the same day Canadian law enforcement nabbed Chiheb Esseghaier, of Montreal, and Raed Jaser, of Toronto.

In its release, the U.S. Department of Justice alleges Abassi was responsible for radicalizing Esseghaier and met with him in New York City after travelling to the U.S. in mid-March. {snip}

In recorded conversations with Esseghaier and the undercover FBI agent, Abassi allegedly talked about his desire to commit terrorist acts in the U.S. and other countries and his intention to provide support to terror organizations including an al-Qaida affiliate based in Iraq called the al-Nusrah Front.


Court documents released by the U.S. Attorney for the Southern District of New York describe how Abassi and Esseghaier worked to hatch the alleged plan including that “the defendant noted that he had suggested an alternative plot–contaminating the air or water with bacteria in order to kill up to 100,000 people–but that Esseghaier was dismissive of that plan.”

The Department of Justice only unsealed Abassi’s indictment Thursday.

Esseghaier and Jaser appeared in Canadian court April 23 and were charged with a series of terrorism-related offenses, including conspiring to murder people and to interfere with transportation facilities for a terrorist group.

The RCMP and the U.S. ambassador to Canada David Jacobson both noted how the latest information underscored the shared security responsibility between Canada and the U.S.

Abassi’s next court date is set for June 11 in New York City.

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  • Puggg

    The RCMP and the U.S. ambassador to Canada David Jacobson both noted how
    the latest information underscored the shared security responsibility
    between Canada and the U.S.

    Sure, it means don’t let the nasty Muslim Jihadists into Canada, either.

  • They wanted to poison air and water.

    Reaction from environmental groups?


    • The__Bobster

      The tree huggers don’t worry about the southern border either.

    • um, what exactly do you want them to do/say? What is your point exactly?

  • Truth

    We need immigration reform all right just not the kind they talk about on the Hill. We need to bar these people from being able to live in and work in our country with great prejudice before they commit some terrible crime upon us.

    • The extreme leftists are afraid to stereotype and hurt people’s feelings,

  • guest

    “Via Suspects Discussed Alternative Plans to Poison Air/Water to Kill up to 100,000 People”

    All this courtesy of the “religion of peace”. And people think being Islamophobic is a bad thing? Being called an Islamophobe is becoming more like a badge of honor than an insult from crazed pro-Islam supporters. Islamists want to kill anyone who doesn’t follow Islam. “Islamophobes” just want to live in a peaceful society and they realize it’s not possible as long as Islamists are integrating with them and trying to enforce their evil ways of life onto those who don’t follow the ways of Islam. Anyone in a westernized nation who supports Islam obviously doesn’t care at all about their freedom and liberty. Freedom and liberty do not and will never exist in the islamic world.

    • HamletsGhost

      “Islamophobe” is one of those weaponized words like racist that people use to confuse the issue. Phobia refers to IRRATIONAL fears, not rational ones.

      People who fear house cats suffer from a phobia.

      People who fear tigers are imbued with common sense.

      • The__Bobster

        And we don’t fear poofters; we are disgusted by them.

  • Easyrhino1

    We can be fighting “terrorism” till the end of time but let’s be smart.

    You know the study about blacks not being able to catch a cab. One question the study never asked is why cabbies didn’t want to pick up blacks, they simply concluded racism end of story. Taxi drivers would have told them they didn’t want to get killed.

    You also have to ask why Muslims keep plotting to kill Westerners. If you keep poking a dog with a stick over and over would you be surprised if that dog finally tries to bite you?

    With our loony foreign policy of invading and bombing Muslim countries and Obama’s murdering Muslim women and children via drone strikes gone awry we’re creating new terrorists everyday.

    The CIA calls this “blowback”.

    Our best policy is to pull our troops and tax-dollars out of the ME and western Asia and leave them to themselves. That also goes for our dear and loyal ally.

    • Bill

      No point in pulling them out, if you are going to continue to let the muzzies come HERE to kill us. We need to deport what’s here and refuse to let ANY come here. They started this crap against us long before we ever put boots on the ground anywhere in the middle east (Saudi being the first place) so your theory falls apart right there. And, I might add, it’s awfully close to the “blame America first” that the libs love to employ.

      • Easyrhino1

        Not quite Bill.
        The US backed coup d’état overturned the Iranian government and installed the Shah back in 53 who was a brutal dictator but he allowed back foreign oil firms. That and our duplicitous foreign policy with regard to Israel and the rest of the ME lit a fire in the crazies.
        That being said I wouldn’t allow any Muslims and their medieval values in the USA. We need to be concerned about our own borders first and only and mind our own business.

        • cadmium

          And yet islamists just killed and maimed countless Pakistani brothers and sisters during recent elections to stop them voting for a PAKISTANI GOVERNMENT. This has nothing to do with ”Western intervention”. This is simply about Islamists trying to rise to power and thwart any government/system standing in their way.

          You all bitch and moan about the western activities in Iraq and Afghanistan, yet what you have in Syria is a demonstration of the exact same jihadist problem festering by itself.
          Are they fighting ”western puppets’? are they fighting the ”occupying forces”? Are they fighting the ”imperialists’?
          No. They’re fighting to overthrow a government and set up an Islamic regime. Just like in Pakistan it doesn’t matter who is in power, or who they have to kill to accomplish their goal.

          The point is, they do it if we’re there, they do it if we’re not. And Islamists would be attempting a violent overthrow of our systems whether we entered ”their” lands in modern times or not. People seem to forget these people colonised europe long before 1965 and had to be driven out by force. Istanbul is a muslim war prize.
          Stop blaming the West for Islamic conquest, which their guerilla war is simply an extension of. Stop pretending the west created Jihad. Stop taking any responsibility for any of it. It only feeds these people. And it’s basically a permutation of self-loathing white-ism.

          Sure, let’s pull from the region for now. But it won’t do anything to fix the holy war unless you remove muslim populations from white countries. Europeans will always be targets for Islamists because we are the biggest dog on the planet and one of the only civilisations thwarting their cause.

          And by the way, all you moralist isolationists, who think if we just mind our own business our world will be rainbows, you might want to take a look at what happened to medieval Europe when the muslim empire was allowed to thrive. You just ”keep out” of the middle-east on principle for the next 50-100 years, allow them to organise, nuclear-ize, start expanding into black africa with ease, and see how smart it looks then, with a resource-rich, population-swarming, hyper-aggressive, infidel-hating monster on whitey’s doorstep.
          These people are no joke. And sticking our heads in the sand isn’t a solution either.

          • American Tax Payer

            You’re absolutely right. I’m one of those isolationists but you’re right. They will simply keep working to find a way to kill us all and they’ll succeed unless we see to it that they don’t.

            Ali Sina from says islam must be eradicated from the face of the planet and he was a muslim. He’s an Apostate but he was born and raised as one in Iran. The only difference between a so-called “moderate” and “extremist” muslim is the timing of jihad so you see, you’re right about them and whether or not they’re currently wielding a sword has nothing to do with the actual threat they bring to our doorstep.

            I mean to say, there’s more than one way to islamize a Country and dhimmitiude is working out very well for them. “We” can’t Pray in school but our children can be forced to memorize muslim prayers under the guise of “culture” and on and on the examples of dhimmitude goes.

          • IslamFreeAmerica

            Arabs were let into our lands under the false assumption that all people are compatible and basically the same. Wrong. Big mistake.

            I don’t care what the Islamists do as long as they do it in their own lands. The insane libturds got them in here now complain about them!

            “Liberalism is a mental disorder.” — Michael Savage

          • American Tax Payer

            I completely agree. If there were a way to build a fence around them, I’d do it.

            And no, arabs do not belong in America. No non-white does. And, while I might git some flack for this, I must say, a lot of whites don’t belong here neither. They chose their side and now they must live with it. I know that sounds cold but I just can’t take much more of miscegenation. I saw a “white” woman in the hospital the other day with her black husband and their black child and she was pregnant with another one too. I just can’t stand the sight of it.

            As for the liberalism, I used to associate that with misdirected guilt/sympathy but now I’m starting to wonder if it really is a Mental Disorder.

          • Easyrhino1

            The old neo-con “isolationist” caca lie has reared it’s ugly head. I guess every country on planet Earth is an isolationist one because their citizens don’t want their country being the policeman of the world either.

            And your domino theory which was used to get the US into Vietnam 50 years ago makes about as much sense now as it did then.

            Let me guess what’s next: “They hate our freedoms: our freedom of religion, our freedom of speech, our freedom to vote and assemble and disagree with each other”

      • Charles W.

        “Blame America first” is not a liberal technique. It’s a neoconservative strawman used to attack anyone who criticizes our suicidal foreign policy, particularly in the Middle East, which is not even conducted in the interests of the United States citizenry to begin with.

        • The__Bobster

          It’s the height of insanity to let your enemy within your walls.

          • Charles W.

            Of course they want the enemy here doing damage. All the more excuse to take civil liberties away from the rest of us. To “protect” us from the same people they import in.

    • BAW

      That’s the bottom line: We need to stop occupying Islamic countries AND stop letting Muslims into our countries. In other words: Disconnect:

    • archer

      Exactly, we create our own enemies

    • StillModerated

      We need to rein in the Department of State. I recommend closing all embassies and consulates in Africa and the Middle East. And I include Israel in that list.

  • libertarian 1234

    The only jihadists the authorities are catching are the ones that are really amateurish and sloppy.
    Anybody that has even a bit of intelligence is going to get by them, as this latest act of terror proved.
    O’Reilly on Fox news loves to point out that Bush did an “excellent” job protecting us from terrorism. I don’t agree with that. As with Obama, he did a good job catching the sloppy, dumb ones, but anybody with anything on the ball has free rein really to play havoc on the public at large.
    With a southern border wide open to anyone who wants to cross, loaded down with explosives, a jihadist(s) can do so and have a vehicle waiting on the other side in a remote area at night, almost anytime he wants to give it a go.
    These wannabe terrorists that have been caught so far are so silly they tell numerous people of their plans , which usually always gets reported to the authorities or the authorities themselves are involved in the scheme to begin with in their ongoing attempts to bait someone into committing crimes.
    Can anybody imagine what kind of havoc a terrorist cell of say 6 people could cause just planting very small IED’s in public restrooms across the country over a period of weeks, not intending to kill anyone, especially after a large event like the Boston catastrophe?
    As long as the Mex/US border is open, the chance for harassing or deadly terrorist attacks are ALWAYS a possibility and if Iran or Syria were to turn loose their jihadists after either country were attacked then the possibility would transition into a probability.
    According to DHS, Al Qaeda and the drug gangs are now working together anyway. Doesn’t that supposed fact in and of itself cry out for better border protection?
    And if a terrorist attack is ever traced back to infiltration into this country from Mexico, I think even the anointed one would be impeached, which would have been true with Bush and Clinton too, both of whom also refused to guard the border properly.

    • Unperson

      These wannabe terrorists that have been caught so far are so silly they tell numerous people of their plans , which usually always gets reported to the authorities

      In the late ’90s in NYC — at about the midway point between the first attack on the WTC in 1993 and the second one in 2001 — there was another attempted bombing in the city. The target was to have been the largest subway stop in the city’s subway system, the massive Pacific/Atlantic station in Brooklyn. It’s not well remembered now, as it was thwarted before it could be carried out. But it was big news at the time because it was right around the time that 1998 movie about Islamic terrorism in NYC, The Siege, with Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis — which had a somewhat similar storyline — was in theaters.

      The main reason I remember this now-obscure event is that at the time I was living literally around the corner from the Brooklyn apartment building where the authorities arrested the would-be terrorists. And my daily commute required changing trains at the Atlantic Ave station every morning and afternoon. From what I recall the plotters were two Middle Eastern (Egyptian?) immigrants who shared a flat about two minutes’ walk from my place. These two were deep into their bomb-building when they took in a third Muslim immigrant as a flatmate to help pay the rent. From what we heard in the neighborhood after the fact, the two original guys freely talked to the new guy about their plans to blow up the subway station. The new guy in the house, not as fanatical in his Islam as the other two, was horrified and informed police. If he hadn’t, I might not be typing this right now.

      So I awoke one fine morning to find my home under massive police lockdown for blocks around. We only learned later that what was going on was the SWAT team and other heavily-armed personnel busting the muzzie scum who’d hoped to blow to bits thousands of innocent strap-hangers, including me, just trying to get to work. The whole “siege” was quite exciting to witness, although only because it had a happy ending. It was also inconvenient, as we couldn’t leave our building for hours. But it was definitely better than being detonated.

      So, yes, a certain fraction of would-be terrorists will fail due to their own sloppiness and stupidity. The fact that, being Arabs with double-digit IQs, a lot of Islamists aren’t smart enough to pull off a successful terror attack without blabbing about it. But we can’t rely on being lucky like that forever. The obvious solution to this very serious problem is that we wouldn’t NEED to keep being lucky if we just refused to let them into our countries. If Abdul can’t get at us then Abdul can’t kill us.

  • Georg

    Hey Amren, what the heck is an “Islamist”? Can you please stop using neoconservative pet names and just call them what they are? Muslims? A Muslim does not have to be an “Islamist” to be a threat to White (not merely “Western”) culture and nations, thanks!

  • me

    History repeats itself….and our dumb ‘elected officials’ didn’t pay attention in history class about the history of Muslims and Islam, thus endangering us all for the sake of ‘hipster Marxism’ and cultural denial.

    • Exoplanet Finder

      Right. We’ve hit bottom or almost, and as we cycle up, I think we should name the flagship of the “send them back to their country of origin” fleet RICHWINE. By then he should have a cabinet position. There are always possibilities…

      • Mr. Rome

        Or better yet: national security adviser.

    • PDK

      There is an old adage, “A picture is worth a thousand words”, that picture is surely is and perhaps more. Thanks

    • NM156

      You forgot one..or ten.

  • William J Englewood

    This would be so much easier and would save millions of dollars if the geniuses in Immigration and Naturalization would simply stop all immigration/visas from any Islamic country based on a rational risk analysis for these people. Follow Japan’s example — no Muslims, no Jihadist terror.

    Stop risking Western lives by allowing these people into our countries! Problem solved. If the lefties don’t like it then, by all means, let the lefties emmigrate to Islamic lands.

  • a multiracial individual

    Liberals are completely and utterly insane. There is no other way to put it. Don’t they realize that if enough Islamists like keep hatching plans like this some of them are going to be successful?

    • NeuBismarckian

      The only, ONLY way that something will be done about Muslim immigrants in the United States is when a suitcase nuke takes out half of DC or New York.

  • Dr. X

    This story can’t be true, because Bush told me that Islam is a “religion of peace” and Obama told me that “the future does not belong to those who slander the Prophet of Islam.” And the Department of Homeland Security told me that the only real terrorist threat came from right-wing militas led by Army veterans like Tim McVeigh. So this has to be a lie. Just look at how those wonderful Chechen students in Boston clearly demonstrated that diversity is strength! Such nice boys, they were!

  • American Tax Payer

    This reminds me of the india(ns) who poisoned the whole Town with salmonella in order to take over the politics. –

    • IstvanIN

      Hard working, high IQ Indians, resort to poison to steal our nation from us? Balderdash!

      • American Tax Payer

        They’ll do anything to steal our Countries. Did you know that they now own almost half of all the hotels in this Country? I had to stop buying from Dunkin’ Donuts because now they’re all Dunkin’ Dotheads and then there’s the convenience stores and the restaurants too. It may look American but if you ask who owns it, chances are real good that you will find it is “owned” by a Third World Alien. And then there’s our jobs across every industry but you already know all this…

        • IstvanIN

          I am well aware of that. Every gas station in NJ is owned by Indians of one sort or another. The family owned station a few blocks from my parent’s home is now Indian. You are right about the Dunkin Donuts, there are two near where I live, no more than 2-3 miles apart, both owned by Indians. It is incredible.

          • American Tax Payer

            Yeah, I know ya are. You’ve always been well informed.

            I wish your parents could move away. The more they pile in, the lower your house value goes. They lower the value of everything they touch.

            Non-whites have brought us nothing but misery in return for all the Welfare, Foreign Aide and all the Blood we spilled for them and their Wars. And worse, now they think they’re entitled to take our Countries and Culture from us too.

          • IstvanIN

            Fortunately the neighborhood my parents live in is at least 90% white, probably more. Very working class. The occasional black doesn’t stay too long. Parents are too old to move.

          • American Tax Payer

            That’s good but I still worry ’cause it takes them no time flat to completely change the area.

            My Mother-in-Law lived in a brand new apartment complex and it took less than five years before it became majority non-white. The mailman told her she was a minority in there.

            She came to live with us last year but it got so bad over there, she only had one White Neighbor out of seven (we had to wait until the lease expired or they were going to sue us). It was a mix though. Chinese, indian, hispanic and even black. Diversity, it turns out, is a Rainbow of Mud.

          • saxonsun

            It’s the same here in NYC and boroughs.

        • The__Bobster

          And they’re doing it with cheap SBA loans, which they have been using since 1986, when Reagan pronounced them a minority group. Damn Patels.

          • American Tax Payer

            Bob, you can’t even turn on the television set without seeing them. They’re trying to act like they’ve been a part of America since the beginning and it makes me sick.

            And yes, I do know about those SBA loans. There are no set-asides for White Men but there is for women though not White Women but aside from that, I’d bet my house that if you applied for a loan, you wouldn’t get it no matter how good your business plan is.

            By the way, those indians also import their whole clan and they live in those hotels too to “save up” money and they move on to snatch up another piece of our property and on and on it goes until one day, nothing at all will be American Owned.

            Sometimes, I really want to blame the American. You have to say yes first before the sale can go through. But, to be fair, I don’t know if these chains are American Owned or jew owned as I’ve never bothered to research that part of it. I need to find out who’s actually selling those businesses to them.

          • I grind over that SBA insanity personally, because the whole Patel/SBA revolving loan scam cost me a really good job I had through almost all of 2010.

          • American Tax Payer

            I am so, so very very sorry. I wish to God I could get Congress to act in the benefit of you and all the rest of my Beloved Americans. I really hate how, no matter what kind of perfect common sense legislation you can propose to them, they won’t touch it and I can’t understand why.

            Well, I know why but still, it’s inexcusable. There’s no good reason for them (white congressmen) to be so blinded by their own greed (trying to secure their own futures in this non-white world) and/or fears that they would sacrifice us and America over it.

            We need to find some financial wizards and have them establish some sort of fund that we can donate to that could serve as a loan center for us. If anyone dares to give flack about it, I say we tell them that if non-whites can do it, so can we. All non-whites have their own everything so we should be demanding that same Right for us.

          • Fern Hammer

            We need a plan for keeping the brown monsters out of our countries. They dont belong here. Their land is the desert regions in the middle east.

          • American Tax Payer


            I’m not allowed to write what I really want to say so I’ll have to leave that to your imagination.

            For me, sometimes I just have to Trust God Completely and just, well, Trust Him ’cause quite frankly, if I didn’t, I’d probably go crazy. I have no answers outside of War and since I can’t do that, I’m stuck.

            The simplest and most reasonable question I can think of is: ‘Why are we importing (legal) over a million immigrants every single year when there are no jobs?’ I can get Republican Aides save for the hispanic ones to wholeheartedly agree with this but not to help me change it.

            If you know anyone in the financial field, would you mind asking them how one gets a fund started like the one I wish to get going for us? We really need to figure out how we’re gonna start taking Our Country back one Town at a time.

            I also want a Business Directory (so we can give each other business like we used to in America (plumbing/elec, etc.)) but I’m not sure if people will go for that. ‘Coming Out’ can be a real financial disaster so I certainly wouldn’t blame anyone for not wanting any part of that.

            Lastly, if you can help it, never make a purchase at any store “owned” by a non-white. If they’re as “minority” as we’re always told they are, they shouldn’t be in business for long.

          • Fern Hammer

            I wage economic warfare whenever possible. I learned that from Jesse (shakedown) Jackson.

          • American Tax Payer

            Ya know what bothers me most? It’s how those “people” have the audacity to call themselves “reverend” like that jeremiah wright “pastor” of obama’s and the others.

            Were I a Pastor/Preacher, the last thing I’d be teaching is hate for a People like the black ones always do. How can you stand at the Pulpit and Preach such things? The same applies to gay “preachers”. I cannot, I just cannot understand how anyone can wallow in Sin/Hate and stand at the Pulpit at the same time. That really bothers me.

            I don’t mean to give the impression that Preachers must be Sin Free ’cause that’s impossible but you gotta be better than the rest of us if yer gonna try to Preach God’s Words.

            It also bothers me how “white preachers” preach to their White Congregation how they must turn their backs on their own fellow hurting Christians and instead, spend their time, energy and money on anyone and everyone except their own fellow hurting White Christian People. I only know of one Pastor who doesn’t preach treason and that’s Pastor Robb.

            As for the Economic Warfare, it’s the only way I can see how “We” can Stand Together at the moment. Anything “We” can do to Stand United, “We” Must Do for it is Our Natural Duty.

        • saxonsun

          Also the Seven Elevens are almost all Indian owned.

          • American Tax Payer

            Yeah, I know unfortunately. Or, fortunately depending on how you look at it.

            Don’t buy from any non-white “owned” establishment if you can help it. I say this because I’m still trying to find one, just one non-white who has done anything for White People and so far, I can’t find nothing so as long as I keep coming up blank, you keep your American Money restricted to American Owned. Never be shy about asking who owns this joint neither.

  • LHathaway

    “Why cabbies didn’t want to pick up blacks, they simply concluded racism end of story. Taxi drivers would have told them they didn’t want to get killed”.

    At one time Taxi driver was the most dangerous occupation in America, ahead of airline pilot. Now most big city taxi drivers are people of color. Driving a Taxi is still dangerous, but not as dangerous as it was. Coincidence, or disparate impact?

    • HamletsGhost

      Black cabbies refuse to pick up blacks for the exact same reason that white cabbies do, but being black has its advantages. They have a protective force field against the racism charge and can afford to speak the obvious truth.

  • Charles W.

    It would be a lot harder for them to kill Americans if our own FBI and CIA weren’t enabling them to do it through willful negligence. Read the book “Classified Woman” for all the evidence needed.

  • newdist

    So why are Jews so strongly in favor of Muslim immigration to white countries?

    • Are they?

      • HamletsGhost

        They are to a point. Insofar as Muslims are mostly non-white and alien, Jews welcome them. When Muslims let fly with the anti-Jewish and anti-Israel statements, they suddenly become a grave threat that “we” Jews and Christians must stand together against.

      • The__Bobster

        They sure are. They flooded Europe with muzzies and now they have the nerve to complain about hate crimes committed against them there. Of course, they try to leave the impression that White European Nazis are guilty.

      • Katherine McChesney

        I read a newsletter from a synagogue in my city. They promote the two-party state in Israel.

    • Anonymous

      I’ll never understand that. The Jews will be the first to be exterminated along with the Gay, Lesbian, Trans-sexuals and Christians who will probably be saved forlast.

    • American Tax Payer

      Because they believe they can easily control the muslims and they can. Muslims are easy to control, it just takes the Will and the jews have that. We have it too but they keep us from exercising it because they need us to be gone and that’s why you only see atheists/jews going after Christianity in every corner they can find instead of going after ALL religions in their “pursuit” of “separating state from religion”.

      They have to get rid of us first because we’re the only ones who can beat them and they know that.

    • NeuBismarckian

      The jews believe that they can control them, but the Muslims have a saying that goes something like “first, we’ll subjugate the Saturday people (jews) and then we’ll subjugate the Sunday people (white Christians).” This strategy is apparent in France where jews are very quickly packing up and heading to Israel and a sizable majority of all French jews have considered leaving.

  • I wrote my old federal probation officer back in late 2003 explaining to the feds exactly how this could be done. I have never told anyone else, and will never do so. Since nobody has done this on purpose yet, I suspect the “false flag” conspiracy kooks are wasting their time. The feds know, and they know what to watch.

  • PDK/Kelto-Scandic Secessionist

    Most people are of the mistaken belief that Europe’s dark
    ages began with the fall of Rome in AD 476. This is not true. Europe’s dark
    ages began shortly after Mohammed sent his Muslims out to conquer the world at or
    near his own death, circa AD 632, a sesquicentennial later. What transpired
    then to cause the collapse of Roman civilization, the Mediterranean world, were
    in fact those very Muslims on the march for Allah and Mohammed.

    I cannot recall the man’s name who postulated this, however
    he wrote his book on this subject in the 1920’s and had a French name.

    The Muslims did then what they do now, bring their faith of
    ruination and destruction to all the lands they invade, conquer and submit.
    These very Muslims today are embraced by our own white liberals, and here in
    America these Muslims see both our liberal democrat party and our fully
    enfranchised democracy, along with liberal ideology, the ideology that rules
    our land, as the means to their end of invade, conquer, submit and enslave all
    to their insane, misogynistic religion for and of, losers.

    When those very Muslims destroyed the civilization the Roman’s
    built in NA, the Levant and SW Asia, the fair free trade that supported the
    Roman civilization was destroyed as well, eliminating the wealth creation
    process and ushered in the poverty that subsequently caused the dark ages.

    It was with the Crusades that the middle ages began. In the
    late 11th century Pope Urban the 2nd, called for European
    Christians to retake the Holy Land, as the Muslim conquerors were beheading
    European Christians on their pilgrimage to the said Holy Land. This effort
    helped spurred the growth of European culture, and therefore helped lead Europe
    on into the renaissance.

    America’s problem with the Negroes was, in my opinion, born
    out of the failure of whites to recognize just how retarded those Negroes were,
    (mean IQ of 70), understandable that it may be because they spoke a different,
    very strange language and came from very primitive, tribal cultures, which our
    white ancestors may not have even been aware as Africa was the dark (unknown)
    continent were no white man had ever gone. This became a comedy of errors in
    the most tragic form, for by the time whites realized just how far down the
    human totem pole blacks were, blacks were both of high numbers and totally ensconced
    in white America, and further were breeding with our white women of the
    colonial days. The pilfering by blacks, from the white gene pool, began near
    immediately upon their arrival in our land, much to our detriment today.

    White liberal ideology embraces all things not of the white
    man, while of course, living and enjoying the fruits of the white man’s,
    created and maintained, culture of civilization. They are both sick and stupid
    with their liberal ideology born of their immaturity and insanity whilst in
    pursuit of their new world, one world order, which among other realities
    necessitates a single gene pool by combining all the gene pools.

    Undoubtedly, the common white liberal foolishly thinks his
    or her cowardice will evaporate if we are all one people. This is not true, as
    long as the white liberals remain immature, their immature traits, here
    cowardice, will always be with them.

    Further, the white liberal leaders undoubtedly believe, in their
    quest for a demagogic place of leadership in the new world order will be easier
    for them to achieve, this unfortunately is probably true.

    At this point in time, for both here in America and all of
    the white world, secession, out and away from both white liberals and their
    loser,3rd world allies, is the only sane choice.

    Secession is the answer, the only answer. Thank you.

    • American Tax Payer

      I really appreciate you writing about the Dark Ages. That’s an excellent summary and one I’ll be using the next time someone starts up about White People being the oppressors.

      As for the Secession, if only White People could afford to start packing up and moving into the Whitest Towns there are and begin to take them back one by one. You can drive out the non-whites slowly but surely via not buying anything from their businesses to not hiring them to not including them in anything. Once they’re isolated, they’ll leave. Well, here’s hoping anyway… The welfare (non-whites stay if they can afford to stay) is always a problem though. I’ve yet to find a way to get anyone to stop it.

      I called to turn in a puerto rican for using S-CHIP even though she could afford to buy insurance through work and ya know what they told me? You can make any amount of money and still qualify. Can you believe that?

      • The__Bobster

        In some states you CAN make quite a large amount of money and still qualify. The rates are just higher.

        • American Tax Payer

          I don’t understand why this is allowed. How can they get away with calling it a program for the poor if the non-poor can get it?

          It’s this kind of stuff and the non-white over use and abuse of it is why I want the system to collapse. It’s the only way I see where Americans can begin to set things right.

      • PDK

        Thanks ATP for the encouragement by intimation. Let us hope the non-liberal whites, the mature get it, before it is too late. Thanks

        • American Tax Payer

          Thanks but the Real Thanks goes to You. I know nothing about History because I don’t like the Subject of History but your Summary was something one could easily see and understand and I Thank You for that. I’ve got pieces but when you can tie them together when given a Very Well Rounded Summary of Events like you gave, it’s Excellent.

          non-liberal whites – This must be done one by one. Private conversations between friends is where it starts.

    • The__Bobster

      Muslims Are Increasingly Persecuting Christians in Islamic Lands
      By Brenda Walker on May 10, 2013 at 3:19pm

      North Africa and the Middle East were largely Christian regions until the Muslim hordes swept through in the 6th century and converted by the sword. As a grade-school kid, I never understood how that could work because the confluence of religious conversion and war didn’t seem to fit. Now we can see how the process functions first hand — constant intimidation with the message Join or Die is a very effect method of low-intensity warfare, perfected over centuries of practice by supremacist Muslims.

    • Sangraal

      ‘Most people are of the mistaken belief that Europe’s dark ages began
      with the fall of Rome in AD 476. This is not true. Europe’s dark ages
      began shortly after Mohammed sent his Muslims out to conquer the world
      at or near his own death, circa AD 632, a sesquicentennial later. What
      transpired then to cause the collapse of Roman civilization, the
      Mediterranean world, were in fact those very Muslims on the march for
      Allah and Mohammed.

      I cannot recall the man’s name who postulated this, however he wrote
      his book on this subject in the 1920’s and had a French name.’

      I would be very interested to know who this Frenchman was because this is a very contentious, albeit compelling, theory. Can anyone shed any light on this?

      • PDK /K-S S

        San; I was just helped out in that department by a fellow commenter at a different blog, the authors name is Henri Pirenne, his book is “Mohammed and Charlemagne”. Thanks.

      • PDK / K-S S

        Henri Pirenne, his book, Mohammed and Charlemagne” Thanks.

  • Paleoconn

    Let’s try something: we stay out of their countries, and we don’t bring them into ours. You think we can manage that?

    • It depends. How willing are you to bicycle to work when the weather is good or walk there when it is not? Surely you know where oil comes from. Are you willing to make things by hand out of wood instead of buying things produced from plastic? If you live in the US northeast, your home furnace probably uses imported heating oil. Will you voluntarily turn your thermostat down to 50 F? We use local natural gas in Colorado, but 50 F means we wear warm clothing indoors. This is 10 C for our friends overseas.

      Profligate petroleum consumption is driving US foreign policy. Yes, we provide arms to Israel, but also to almost every other nation in that area.

      • American Tax Payer

        The largest oil supply lies where? Oh yeah, that’s right, IN America!

        White Countries do not need, have never needed anything from any non-white Country ever.

        • Certainly, but the environmentalists don’t want us drilling for oil in Alaska. The largest supplies of uranium are in the United States and Australia, and our reserves are easier to get to, but the same idiots don’t want us to standardize a nice, safe pebble-bed reactor.

          • American Tax Payer

            Sometimes I think it’s just about the money. These same environmentalist groups don’t say a word about all the Third World Immigrant Aliens and what they’ve done to our Lands and Waters.

        • NM156

          Fracked oil is expensive, and oil shale has been dead since the 1980s.

          • American Tax Payer

            No, I’m talking about oil. It’s here and we have it. The problem is, the EPA along with some animal groups (gotta protect the insects) and Congress who says yes to everyone except Americans.

            As for the “expensive” side of fracking and shale, that’s not exactly true. You have some initial costs but that’s it. You have to think long term when you think about things like Policy, Finance and Natural Resources and last but never least, the Country and her People.

            Aside from the money side of it, there are dire consequences to be had when dealing with the devil. I think everyone should be forced to learn about the Barbary Wars and why “We” have a Navy.

            OPEC rigs prices too. I like to believe that if Europe and America joined forces and stated what price we’re gonna pay instead of allowing them to name it, we’d have our way. They depend on us far more than we depend on them. We could cut them off completely right now and all we’d feel is a little bump. We have reserves and that’d work if it was just us but we’re inundated with “needy” people so…

            And what about coal?

          • NM156
          • American Tax Payer

            And Thank You again.

          • NM156

            Here’s a good commentary about a new film on the hysteria surrounding fracking:

          • American Tax Payer

            Thank You.

      • The__Bobster

        We have enough energy in this hemisphere to supply all our needs. In fact, if we have the will, America could become a net energy exporter.

        • For how long?

        • NM156

          At what cost?

          • American Tax Payer

            You have to weigh other things besides the financial part of it.

            You’re talking about a people who wish for your death and if they could, would murder you. Does that sound like the kind of people you wish to do business with?

            They will lie to you, cheat you and they will steal from you any chance they get. Do you really wish to conduct business with people like that?

            They offer you nothing you don’t already have and they certainly don’t offer anything else of value. What business is there to do with people who have nothing to offer?

            It is far cheaper to pay for the start-up costs and tighten belts while we wait than to spend that money and more continuing down this Oil Dependent Road to Suicide of ours. The only way to be Safe is to be Self Sufficient.

          • NM156

            Well, I really hope as much fracked shale oil exists as the experts claim:

          • American Tax Payer

            You can’t rely on what anyone says. You have to cherry pick in a sense. I mean to say, you have to use your own common sense in order to pick out what’s really True. Each side ALWAYS makes it out to look like they’re a hundred percent correct and that’s never True so you have to use both sides of the argument in order to gain the approximate Truth on a subject.

      • Paleoconn

        We don’t have to be there for them to sell us their oil, they need to sell it to somebody. Anyway, we should have tried harder to become more independent of their energy. We buy a lot of our oil from Canada, btw, and to a lesser extent, Venezuela.

        • Unperson

          The Keystone XL Pipeline OUGHT to be pumping all the “ethical oil” the US needs from a friendly, non-crazy, non-terror-financing country called Canada.

          It would be in operation already, except Obama is against it — supposedly for “environmental reasons.” Although I suspect Pres. Hussein prefers to keep the greenbacks flowing to his Muslim buddies in the Middle East.

          The 2010 book, “Ethical Oil: The Case for Canada’s Oil Sands”, by Canadian TV personality and free-speech crusader Ezra Levant:

          • Paleoconn

            Agreed 100%

  • Gerónimo Anónimo

    I think that we need to serve notice on the Islamic world that if there is another vicious attack on our homeland that we will use a nuclear weapon against one of their large cities and that the program will continue until the attacks cease.
    Yea right! That’s gonna happen! ¡ Cuando haga el pis la gallina!

  • David Ashton

    Three mistakes not just one or two:
    (1) Admitting Muslims for settlement in the lands of our western civilization, their Dar al-Harb.
    (2) Attacking Muslim lands, their Dar al-Islam.
    (3) Inflaming immigrants by invading and bombing their homelands rather than repatriating them.

  • David Ashton

    Three mistakes:
    1. Admitting Muslim migrants into our western lands, their Dar al-Harb.
    2. Bombing and invading their Dar al-Islam.
    3. Inflaming Muslims further by these attacks instead of repatriating them.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Muslim scum.