Should We Still Fight for Immigration Control?

Hubert Collins, American Renaissance, April 1, 2015

Yes.

It has become steadily more popular for white dissidents to claim that immigration is no longer an issue–or at least not worth much of our effort. Richard Spencer, Jack Donovan, and Harold Covington take this view, and many others agree. With due respect, I think they are wrong.

But first, let us consider their positions. This is from Richard Spencer’s address at the 2013 American Renaissance conference:

In the summer 2011, the Census Bureau reported that the majority of children born in the United States are non-white. Thus, from our perspective, any future immigration-restriction efforts are meaningless. Even if all immigration, legal and illegal, were miraculously halted tomorrow morning, our country’s demographic destiny would merely be delayed by a decade or two. Put another way, we could win the immigration battle and nevertheless lose the country, and lose it completely.

Mr. Donovan is of a similar, but more cynical, mindset. He sees the chaos being brought on by swarms of illegal immigrants as a good thing because it will hasten the collapse of our current, undesirable regime–which will make it easier to create a nation more to our liking. A few years ago he wrote:

Illegal immigration is killing my grandfather’s America, but that America is never coming back. The bright side I see is that this is all part of the process of creating a failed state–a state where no one believes in the system, where the government is just another shakedown gang, where no one confuses the law with justice. . . . In a failed state, we go back to Wild West rules, and America becomes a place for men again–a land full of promise and possibility that rewards daring and ingenuity, a place where men can restart the world.

Mr. Covington largely agrees. He calls for whites to abandon formal politics completely, and begin migrating to the Pacific Northwest so that they can secede when the federal government becomes weaker.

The conclusion that these men and others have drawn from current demographic projections (which are all too plausible), is that since a non-white America is inevitable, white advocates should drop immigration and focus on the creation of a white ethnostate. While I support this goal, it doesn’t make immigration irrelevant. Think of it this way: In the year 2100, would a racial secession movement be more likely to succeed if the rebellious whites who made up the movement were 10 percent of the population, or 20 percent? Numbers are always an essential part of political action.

In the history of secession movements, there are not many happy endings: from the Basques in Iberia, to the Kurds in the Middle East, to the Confederacy in 19th century America, fighting for separation is not easy. Aside from the very unusual circumstances of the breakup of the Soviet Union, it is rare for a government to let a group of people establish their own country. Usually, the result is war, and as Napoleon said, “God is on the side of the big battalions.”

Numbers still matter, even in an America where whites were no longer the majority. I would love to live in an American with a white super-majority, and I realize that is impossible now. But a high number is always better than a low number. An America that is 30 percent white is better than one that is 20 percent, 20 percent is better than 10 percent.

The “immigration no longer matters” argument is almost an endorsement of Lenin’s dictum: “the worse, the better.” Lenin meant that every misery suffered by the Russian people under the czars was good for the revolution, since poverty, civil unrest, and violence would make more Russians favor a Bolshevik coup. Things in Russia did get bad, and Lenin carried the day in 1917, and the horrible state of Russia in the 1910s helped the Communist cause. Ever since, many revolutionaries have adopted the “worse is better” mentality.

And indeed, even some revolutions from the Right have benefited from intolerable living conditions. Franco’s rise to power in 1930s is an example, as is Pinochet’s 1973 coup in Chile. All this suggests that if things get worse in America, a successful white identity movement could arise, but it’s not guaranteed.

Sometimes when things get worse, they ignite rebellion, but rebellion fails. Germany after World War One was a terrible place, but the Spartacist uprising didn’t last two weeks. Hungary was miserable under the yoke of Soviet tyranny, but its bid for freedom was crushed.

And sometimes, of course, when things get worse, they just get worse. In the 1930s, Joseph Stalin began deliberately starving the people of Ukraine in what is called the “Holodomor.” Millions of people died in just a few years, but no revolution came of it. In the last few decades, Argentina has suffered economic crash after economic crash, and no lasting “savior government” has leaped from the ashes of this perpetual chaos. The Finns were occupied by the Swedish Empire for over six centuries, but they never had a large-scale revolt until over a century after the Swedes had ceded their Finnish territory to the Russian Empire in the early 19th century.

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In the United States, mass immigration literally kills white Americans, raises the crime rate, wrecks schools and communities, burdens taxpayers, erodes social trust, and on and on. We must limit immigration as much as we can now, both for the benefit of whites today, and for those who may–or may not–take action tomorrow.

How much worse do things have to get before they get better? Things seem bad enough now to justify revolution: The black-on-white rape rate is horrifying, journalists and pundits are regularly purged for saying anything “impolite” about race, the federal government punishes cities for putting down race riots, and the President cheers the Balkanization of the country. As the remnant of whites with racial consciousness, it is our duty to protect whites however we can, and cutting immigration is a good place to start.

The mix of immigrants makes a difference, too. Compared to the problem of Muslim immigration into Europe, the Hispanic burden is relatively light. There are already calls for a mass influx of refugees from ISIS, Syria, etc., and stopping that would save lives. Turning the country into Somalia is worse than turning it into Mexico, so rulings against Sheriff Joe Arpaio are a setback, but Somali immigration is worse.

Not all of those who say immigration is a distraction take a pure, “worse is better” position. Mr. Spencer, for example, would agree that it would be better if immigration were stopped, but thinks that for white activists to work in that area is a mistake because of the opportunity cost. It may be that continued demographic turmoil is necessary for whites to rediscover their identities, but for now, working towards an ethnostate is the best way for us to spend our meager resources.

I disagree on this count as well. Efforts can be split among worthy causes. You can vote for restrictionist candidates and donate money to a White Student Union. Anyone who supports the Center for Immigration Studies can also give a copy of Jared Taylor’s book White Identity to his neighbor for Christmas. All these things help whites, and we all set our own priorities. Nor is activist energy strictly limited like money or time. You may well feel you have done all you can this week for one cause but still be inspired to work hard for a different cause.

As Bismarck said, “Politics is the art of the possible, the attainable–the art of the next best.” For the time being, immigration restrictionism is within the realm of possibility in a way that an ethnostate is not. What is possible and good for whites is worth our attention. Historically, immigration has united racial activists. Consider how Madison Grant and Lothrop Stoddard both worked hard to develop a sense of race solidarity among Americans in the 1920s, and how that influenced the immigration laws of that decade. In Europe, the Identitarians, so-called “far right” groups, and the National Front have had remarkable success in getting whites to think seriously about the future of the continent. They have done so by emphasizing the terrible effects of immigration.

Fighting immigration through the electoral process and grassroots activism may not be as glamorous as writing a call to arms for the formation of an ethnostate or considering what one would look like, but it is just as important.

Immigration is so damaging to whites that we cannot stop fighting it. Nor can we be completely confident white consciousness will rise like a phoenix after this fire runs its course. Immigration matters, and will always matter. Now is the time to think big, and I support all attempts to build white communities and white societies, but immigration will be a terrible obstacle to achieving those goals.

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Hubert Collins
Mr. Collins was born in Taulkinham, but doesn't live there anymore.
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  • “Fighting immigration through the electoral process…”

    Such as, voting Republican.

    Okay….

    • John Smith

      Too bad there are so few who actually deserve to be called such for whom to vote.

    • Charles Martel

      That wont work unless there is Voter ID to stop die verse inner cities from multivoting.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      My aunt’s husband’s brother is California House member Ken Calvert (R), who founded the eVerify system back in the 1990s and had a somewhat decent record on immigration…and he betrayed us and the country and voted to fund the DHS. We gave him hell on his FB page and in correspondence, but the time for electoral process is over. You can’t vote to take out the trash.

      • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

        When you meet him next time, give him more hell.

    • Realist

      It is a losing battle….money rules.

    • WR_the_realist

      The problem we have is this. Every damn Democratic politician wants more and more immigration. The Republicans are almost as bad. Some want to enforce immigration law, but even among them most would be happy to have twice as much legal immigration. (So presumably they would be happy if we just declared all immigration legal.) Look how quickly the senate Republicans caved on defunding Obama’s executive order amnesty. And look how the Republican establishment is pushing Jeb Bush, who is just about as horrid on immigration as Obama.

      • Veritas

        Jeb Bush would be a disaster. He would continue our decline toward third world status. The worst possible Republican candidate.

        • Brutus

          Him and Senor Rubio.

    • Jason Lewis

      Exactly. I was excited in 2000 when we obtained both the Presidency and the Congress. For six years Republicans had the opportunity to close the border and do a mass roundup/depotation of illegals. Bush squandered the chance.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Hey kids the USA is done for, WT, time to move in mass to Canada, and I mean millions illegally in one day.Otherwise you can livePOTAs each and every day by waking up.

    • NoMosqueHere

      If 10 million american whites invade Canada in one year, we can pretty much take over the country and pass sensible immigration laws, such that only whites may immigrate there. It sounds interesting….

      • Jason Lewis

        The thing is the 5-10 million dedicated. People are held back by their 401ks and pensions. They have land and houses here. I guess you could find 5-10 million younger unestablished people to do it. Come up with the logistics and get them to go along. It would be very interesting.

      • notyranny

        Why not simply pick some States and do the same thing?

    • Anglokraut

      Except that Canada enforces its immigration laws, and if they wouldn’t open their arms to the Boers, what makes you think that they’d want more Americans. One of Canada’s greatest points of pride is that their country was not swallowed up by the U.S. in the 19th century.

      • Whitetrashgang

        I said Illegally , just like the Mexicans do to the USA.

    • hastings88

      We would face an even more stifling political correctness in Canada. No free speech there. Why should we surrender our warm-climate zones?

    • Bartek

      Good luck with that idea.
      Can’t even get white people to have two children before they are 30 years old, let alone migrate as an illegal.

    • ViktorNN

      Canada is a multicultural dump run by politically correct totalitarians that make ours look like weaklings. You’re too late.

      • Brutus

        Eastern Europe or Russia looks like the place to go.

    • guest

      Even if we did, Canada is just as anti-White as the USA with more problems since it’s a lot more left-wing. How would it be any different or better if White Americans moved to Canada?

  • Stogumber

    Anti-immigration activism is alive and kicking, and we can study its successes and failures any day via vdare. But has anyone heard about progress w.r.t. the building of white communities? And could we at least once get an overview w.r.t. its successes and failures? Or is there nothing to report at all?

    • Anton Chigurh

      I saw some stuff about Cascadia a while back.
      Traditional whites have no organization in the West. It’s a pipe dream. We are incapable of organizing for our survival and we cravely cave and apologize for our rare acts of defiance to the Decine Machine.

      I’m not sure how much “success” is happening from VDare. I donated anyway because we need them as a news source and commentary, but I don’t know that they’re actually doing anything of consequence. Do you know anything I don’t about what they’ve done?

      • Lt. Greyman, NVA

        We are building communities and we are everywhere. We finally got through to some Whites that if you are going to Flee, flee somewhere useful, that will not be swallowed in 10 years like Ferguson did. White Flight is useful if you have a plan and are doing it for a reason. It is pointless if you are merely running scared.

        White Homeland! Northwest Front!

        • Anton Chigurh

          You may be “everywhere” but I have never heard of 1 practical, accessible organization that provides a framework for white relocation anywhere outside the darker fringes of the internet. The ghost of Nazism still haunts the West and prevents whites from organizing to foster racial pride, consolidation and growth (never mind ethnic survival). And without the ability to discuss and be discussed in the mainstream culture, white nationalism remains “extremist”, and loses out on masses of ordinary white folk who cannot make that extra step.

          I may have a lot in common with the NVA but the Stormfront culture it comes out of is still plagued by vapid white supremacists when what we need is white defenders. I know they sound the same but they are not. For example, I have affinity, friendship and respect with/for some Asian people and/or culture, which makes me automatically persona non grata with Stormfronter types, which is retarded, because I am an avid promoter of white pride and white resistance.

          Stormfront is ultimately retarded because of how many good white people it alienates with retarded Nazi ideals. It’s like talking about Jews having hooked noses. It’s retarded. In fact Stormfront may be the single biggest thing preventing white nationalism today…but I wonder if you’ll think about what I’m saying for even a second.

          • Lt. Greyman, NVA

            “Retarded”, and in another post you attacked someone as a “fag”. You weren’t burdened with an overabundance of education. How about we just ignore each other?

            I am not a poster or denier of “Stormfront”. I have no enemies to the Right (or White) of me. Their ideas come from reading or terrible life experience. Stromfronters don’t have a problem with Japanese, as long as they stay in Japan. Are you upset because these guys don’t like your “Love you long time ” girlfriend? Did they kick you out of the club?

          • Anton Chigurh

            Why the hostility towards me? You didn’t pause to consider a single thing I said, just like I thought you would. Sorry pal but I’m happily married to a white west European, any other weak insults you want to toss my way?

          • Lt. Greyman, NVA

            The hostility is toward your smearing people with fag who can’t defend themselves. You are the kind of snake in the grass that loves to smear people when they are not around. Dueling was invented for people like you.

            Further, Your description of Stormfront is “retarded”. Have you looked in the music section? Or the Art section? Have you read the Political philosophy section and seen the men there grappling with the ideas? I considered your words and found them lack verisimilitude and veracity. In short, you are a bore.

          • Anton Chigurh

            I think I understand now why you’re so enraged by my use of that word. Oops.

            You can’t possibly be more bored by me than I am by you so let’s do like you said and ignore each other. Take it easy “lieutenant”

          • silviosilver

            Oh lighten up. “Dueling was invented for people like you.” That’s gold.

          • Anton Chigurh

            Nah, it wasn’t gold, it was sassy, which I find unbearable from men!

          • notyranny

            This is the Problem with Alpha- Males, we might agree on 9 out 10 things but the one we disagree on blows the hell out of the other 9.

          • Garrett Brown

            How can one tell the emotion of someone through a computer screen? Is that the same special ability that allows you to critique someone’s mental state? Grow up.

          • silviosilver

            ‘Retardant’ would have been a better choice of words than ‘retarded.’ The warlike imagery and the extraordinary focus on racial supremacy turn off tragic numbers of whites. It’s political ineptitude of the first rank and Anton is correct that NWF is an outgrowth of it – despite NWF’s laudable goals and perhaps even strategy.

          • Garrett Brown

            Nazi ideals retarded eh? Yet popping out half breed babies that will hate themselves their whole life isn’t?

          • Anton Chigurh

            The case you describe I find almost totally applies to negroid mixes. White/oriental and white/white-skinned semite (Arab or Jew) mixes retain high IQs and good physical traits (assuming the parents are decent looking).

            Personally I’m very against mixing race but the psychological aspect you describe is basically for niglets. The other types of mix I find is far, far less egregious.

            Lastly: yes, Nazi ideals in 2015 is retarded.
            They had many righteous ideals and I’m always a strong supporter of Germany and share many of their ideals about securing the future of the white race. But in 2015, the placing of other races besides blacks as subhuman is unacceptable to me–especially for Slavs. Slavs are part of the white master race and Nazi disagreement with that is no longer valid and in fact…wait for it…retarded.
            I hope any of that made some sense.

            PS No I am not Slavic, 100% British and French here.

          • pcmustgo

            I am half Jewish, half German myself… nice mix… nice look… obviously not anti-white…

          • Sick of it

            You’re very against mixing races…and yet are okay with it under certain circumstances.

          • Anton Chigurh

            I find some cases of mixing absolutely indefensible (white~negro) but other cases (generally white~oriental) to be far less egregious. Ideally there would be none but in today’s world I don’t object to some of the confluences of whites and asians. I also include lighter-skinned north Indians (original Aryans) as a respectable race.

            But how about this: there are ethnic peoples of northern Finland and extreme northwest Russia that are neither caucasian (neither Finn nor Slav) or asian (they are not Lapps)–they are a mixture, an very old Eurasian ethny. They are light-skinned, high IQ, and highly civilized, with just slightly asiatic eyes. I have no problem with them merging into the white race.

            My point is, it gets complicated after the white~negro no-brainer. Grey areas.

          • WR_the_realist

            Jared Taylor has made it plain that he is not in favor of laws forbidding interracial marriage, and has had speakers at Amren conferences with Asian spouses (and of course one man, Fred Reed, with a Mexican wife). So yes, Jared Taylor is okay with mixing races under certain circumstances, even though obviously he would prefer it if the great majority of whites would marry within their own race.

            The absolutism of the Stormfront crowd on issues like this would make me very unwilling to see them is positions of actual power. I don’t like totalitarianism in any form, whether coming from the left or the right.

          • Sick of it

            Then you advocate the dissolution of the white race, as the other races seriously outnumber us. We’re not talking about bringing in a small number of minorities (unless you advocate an absolute maximum) but 40% of the current American population alone. We would be lucky to end up like Brazil and more likely to end up like the Dominicans.

          • WR_the_realist

            Having a small fraction of white marrying non-whites will not result in the dissolution of the white race. You have a belief that the white race is terribly fragile.

          • Sick of it

            You’ve given no restrictions or baseline standards. What else would happen with it being a free for all?

          • FinnShane

            At this rate it seems that Slavs might very well be the only hope for the white race.

          • Anton Chigurh

            Absolutely. I was going to mention that but didn’t want to go overboard in my comment.

          • george00

            “In fact Stormfront may be the single biggest thing preventing white nationalism today…but I wonder if you’ll think about what I’m saying for even a second.”
            I wonder if you even thought for a second about what you are saying. Stormfront? The biggest thing preventing White Nationalism today? What about the main stream media?

          • Anton Chigurh

            I have written extensively about white nationalism so I don’t have the wherewithal to give you a proper answer today but of couse the MSM. But if WN can lose the stigma of white supremacy, the media would be able to carry it, and people would be able to see it.
            As long as the WS ghost haunts WN, WN cannot rise out of the shadows.

          • But if WN can lose the stigma of white supremacy, the media would be able to carry it, and people would be able to see it.

            If WN (or its rough equivalents) totally disavowed WS, the media would find a way to stick it back onto them. The media don’t despise WN because of WN’s WS.

          • Anton Chigurh

            The media is controlled by a coalition of minoritarian groups that despise anything that resembles whites organizing, correct?
            What is the #1 reason they all jump to to explain it? Nazism. It’s the ghost of Nazism.
            So, first hint of promoting white interests, =NAZISM. Shut it down.

            White Nationalism cannot progress–cannot even barely organize–as long as WN is associated with WS.
            The white race needs to demonstrate to the world that WN is not about WS, it is about defending white interests in the global bazaar.

          • gooberboy9999

            What you seem to be incapable of grasping is that to a decent degree, WN IS about WS. There are no racial egalitarians in a crowd of people calling for an ethnostate, and there will be plenty who flat out don’t like other races.

            I don’t understand why you’re so confused that people who want a white ethnostate are looking at you oddly for wanting to include asians just because you seem to have a thing for them. The whole point of a white ethnostate is that it exclude non-whites. That include asians.

            I disdain ‘thuggery’ as well, but I also understand that every revolution has its foot soldiers, and plenty are not going to be nice people just like forming a new framework for a new white society isn’t going to be a ‘nice’ endeavor. White traitors and non-whites in America will always oppose us regardless of how you dress it up. Oh, and I’ve been to Stormfront as well. What you’re saying about some of them not liking you for respecting asians is true. It’s also stupid, because plenty of people on Stormfront respect them as well. Surprise surprise, the hundreds of thousands of people who have posted on Stormfront have different opinions.

          • WR_the_realist

            Years ago I was lurking through Stormfront (I’ve never posted there) and some guy there was bragging about how his son had beat up some Jewish kid at school.

            If that’s White Pride I’ll pass.

          • george00

            White people need to come together as a group and fight against the nonwhites that have come together in their own groups or we are finished. That means getting over this idea that things have to be perfect. Every group has a few screwballs in it. Some Doctors are quacks that doesn’t mean you should stop using anything medical. I am not against any group that is trying to awaken a racial consciousness in white people.

          • Anton Chigurh

            Yup. Missing the whole point, and forever keeping white pride equated with thuggery.
            Even worse to me is how the story is almost certainly fake, and by far most skinhead types are spaghetti-armed twerps who couldn’t hurt a fly. The posing going on in that subculture is incredible. It’s an embarrassment to whites! If you’re going to talk big like a thug, then actually be one!

        • Hadding Scott

          You are not “everywhere.” It just looks that way because of how many sockpuppets HAC uses.

  • DaveMed

    Unless there is some major natural disaster or the US is hit with a nuke, there will be no dissolution. Those waiting for everything to fall apart will probably die disappointed.

    Next, Mr. Collins is dead-on when he says, “But a high number is always better than a low number. An America that is 30 percent white is better than one that is 20 percent, 20 percent is better than 10 percent.”

    This seems so obvious that I’m not sure how anyone could think otherwise. With all due respect to Spencer, there is no diversion of resources from other fronts of the battle because, at this point, there aren’t really any other fronts. His own site has about 50 regular posters. AmRen has more, but it’s still a fairly tight community. Etc.

    JT is doing a terrific job of spreading White racial awareness, but at this point, he immigration fight is the most important one for us to win.

    • silviosilver

      That’s always seemed so obvious to me I find it incredible anyone could possibly think otherwise. The opposition certainly realizes that immigration is the most important front and that if they lose there then immigration restrictionists, flushed with victory, can then take the fight to a new level. For now, apart from a few isolated exceptions, immigration is where the best minds, most cogent policies and most pragmatic politics today reside.

    • ViktorNN

      Couldn’t agree with your comment more.

      The immigration fight is our fight. Whether we’re winning or losing it, it’s still the best issue in mainstream politics for us to get our message out there and win over fellow whites. We will probably lose the fight over immigration in the short term, but it’s still possible to win many whites over despite the loss. And what’s the alternative – to not even try and hope that an equal number of whites trip over one of our websites?

  • Jaggers

    The idea that we shouldn’t care about immigration is so wrongheaded as to not even be worth addressing. We have to be tuned in to the day to day events, not dreaming of some alternate universe we might prefer. So I agree with the article.

    • Plus “projections” could always prove false in the long run. So, I say, hold off as long as possible, the day when Whites are a minority. Things can always change. Whites might start having babies again, who knows? In the long run anything can happen.

      • Charles Martel

        If food stamps and welfare stop working die verse cities will be torn apart in days. On 10-12-13 the food stamp system went down for 8 hours in 16 states and the viral chimp out videos hint at what would happen at the beginning of the month when Uncle Sam hands out money.

    • Diabolus Candidus

      Why yes, and let me add that playing democratic politics has simply been wildly successful in Europe and America for decades.

      Go look up Einstein’s definition of insanity.

      • JohnEngelman

        If you can’t win democratically, and don’t want to give up, your only alternative is an armed coup. You will be massacred if you try that.

        • silviosilver

          You will be massacred if you try that.

          I think that statement expresses a wish more than an objective assessment.

          I certainly hope it doesn’t come to armed insurrection – as absurdly unlikely as that seems today, who knows what tomorrow holds? – but if it were to the spectre of ‘massacre’ would not deter insurrectionists. They would be people so embittered by the injustice of the political fate foisted on them (by people like you, I might add) and so bereft of hope for a decent existence that the prospect of dying for their cause becomes more likely to inspire them to action than to frighten them into submission. They would not be isolated individuals like the Sikh-temple-shooter, rather their grievances would galvanize them into a coordinated political unit. From their perspective it will never be ‘over’ until it really is over – and the possible course of events may mean that that is a very long time in coming.

          • JohnEngelman

            The American people react against those who initiate civil violence.

            Violence against civil rights demonstrators led to the passing of the civil rights legislation.

            The black ghetto riots that happened from 1964 to 1968 led to white backlash and the Republican ascendancy.

          • WR_the_realist

            And mass immigration of non-whites has led to the Democratic ascendancy. Republicans will react to this demographic change by catering to Hispanics by promising them more immigration.

        • Luca

          That’s what separates the men from the boys. Courage vs. defeatism. I’m glad George Washington et. al. did not subscribe to your attitude.

          It only takes a small, bold, determined group of men to change governments and history.

          There is no longer a democracy when the Alinsyites are stacking the deck with voters for the Democratic party. It has already happened in California with its 55 electoral votes. California will never elect another rebuplican president or governor in our lifetimes.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who lose democratic elections have no right to try to force themselves on the majority violently. If they try, they deserved to be crushed violently, and they will be.

          • Luca

            History says you are wrong. Sometimes the majority have too much power and oppress the minority. As such, they deserve to be crushed. violently if necessary. And eventually they will be. History is absolutely clear on this subject.

          • JohnEngelman

            Your attitude resembles the attitude of some people in the anti war movement during the War in Vietnam. The most famous of these was Bill Ayers, but there were others.

            Because they thought the electorate did not matter, they behaved in ways that angered the electorate into electing politicians who continued the war effort.

          • Luca

            Poor analogy. Ayers had a handful of delusional, Alinskyite, radical, pot-smoking hippies, most of whom were bored because their daddies were rich and they wanted to be cool. They did not have popular support of any kind behind them nor was violence necessary, it was just the easy thing to do to get attention. Besides their main objective was to bring down the entire ‘Establishment’. Vietnam was only a footnote for them.

            Vietnam became widely unpopular when it was obvious we were conducting an endless costly war on behalf of a population that didn’t pull their own weight and didn’t really care who ruled them.

            Ayers would have been more effective as a journalist exposing LBJ’s contrived ‘Gulf of Tonkin’ incident and our pointless presence in an Asian civil war.

            The electorate matters, but I guessed you missed my point, so I’ll spell it out. The Democrats are engineering a one-party system, and under those circumstances, the so-called ‘electorate’ becomes an oxymoron and the government becomes tyrannical..

    • Sick of it

      Immigration is an issue that gets more people on our side than anything else. Even being attacked by non-whites!

  • Brady

    The US is bound to become a failed state sooner or later. Not only because of Third World immigration, but also because it spends enormous amounts of resources trying to make the rest of the world in it’s own image. The value of immigration control is that the fewer immigrants come into the US, the better the position white America will be in when the US does collapse.

  • LexiconD1

    Why is this even a question? Most citizens of the United States want ‘immigration’ curbed. Frankly, a good portion want it stopped altogether. WE DON’T NEED THEM.

    • I agree, but once we’re ‘fixed,’ let’s STILL make sure not to allow any more non-white, third-world immigrants. And those European whites who do immigrate better be sponsored and not allowed to go on welfare. They must have something of real value to contribute.

      • LexiconD1

        If we were ‘fixed’, then there would be no need for welfare.

      • Sick of it

        We really should have stopped all immigration generations ago. Only a certain proportion of the Afrikaners and a few rare individuals from other countries would fit with our way of viewing the world. The rest might as well belong to the Communist Party.

  • LHathaway

    The author mentions immigration into Europe, I’m going to say the EU needs massive immigration from Turkey. Turks are 90% or more White. An influx of Turks will in actuality prevent Europe from becoming as dark as it would without such immigration. This is a case where Arabs and Whites can cooperate to the benefit of Whites or Europe, or Whites in Europe. Perhaps blond hair and blue eyes will be saved in Russia or somewhere.

    • LexiconD1

      Seriously…no joke, are you drunk? Turks are many things, but white is not one of them.

    • Charles Martel

      You have never meet turks

      • LHathaway

        Tough times demand tough solutions. Perhaps it’s too soon to say this but massive Arab immigration into Europe may save Whites from extinction.

        I would say Arabs are White. It’s quite controversial (and raising the idea certainly detracts from our cause) but perhaps there are two kinds of Whites?

        • LexiconD1

          To me….”Don’t have a battle of wits with an unarmed opponent.”

          • LHathaway

            Note to self, eh?

          • LexiconD1

            Because if I said what I really thought about you, and your posts, I’d probably be banned.

          • LHathaway

            Every village needs an idiot. When we’re rugged, solitary men on our own, then what do you call the idiot?

          • LexiconD1

            Well, at least you see yourself for who you are…

        • silviosilver

          I would say Arabs are White.

          I would say you’re blind.

          And that idea that whites need Arabs to help them prevent white racial replacement is simply too stupid for words.

          It’s truly astonishing how you could read this site for so long and still reason so poorly.

          • Bartek

            Arabs/Persians are as ‘white’ as any Mediterranean people including Italians and Spanish.
            They aren’t white like a real Swede but then again neither is someone from Spain.

          • LexiconD1

            Umm, no. It’s exactly like comparing apples and oranges. They might be fruits, but in no other way are they the same.

          • silviosilver

            I mostly agree, but the question can never be definitively settled, and not least because people differ in what they want from race.
            The more one wants a strong nationalist culture and the nationalist policies to support it, the more, in my experience, one is inclined towards narrow definitions of white.
            People who aren’t particularly interested in a strong nationalist culture – who incline more towards liberty, say – and just want racial demographics that ‘work’ – that avoid the problems of mass multiracialism – are more inclined towards an expansive definition of ‘white,’ happily willing to include types that the above-defined nationalists wouldn’t even consider.
            Even though this division means that the question of ‘who is white’ will never be settled, one of the easiest steps is to eliminate obvious non-contenders that some people (obstructionists, probably) have an irrepressible urge to nominate. Sometimes these are people that the ‘libertarian-racialists’ above are willing to include – and that is their prerogative – but they should not dishonestly present such candidates as ‘white.’

        • Bartek

          That of course is not a preferred solution, but since white Europeans have seemingly lost the will to procreate it may very well be one of the only viable solutions that the ruling class could except.
          The ruling class demands consumers for their financial schemes, if whites refuse to have children the ruling class will get those new consumers from wherever it is convenient.

          • LHathaway

            Well, your statement makes no sense – if the ‘ruling class’ are all-powerful, and they consist of a global elite. They could simply sell these good overseas. Now, if non-whites must be imported to the West in order to raise the ‘White birth rate’ while also keeping the birth rate high and at the same level back in the third world, this completely insane conspiracy theory could make sense (and would be one I could happily agree with you about – at least, I would be noting the rise of the ‘white birth rate’ and exactly why it is rising, and what it really consists of.

            Now, if our global elite were in competition with their global elite, your idea would make some sense. But that would actually require the world to make more sense. And what would be the point of describing the world the way it truly exists? *moment of sarcasm*

          • Sam Brown

            The Western ruling class doesn’t care about the race of their consumer class, they only care that they have a growing population base of marks. If whites would have children the Western ruling class wouldn’t need migrants. Since whites refuse to procreate the ruling class opens the borders to get the customers they require.

            It is easier for the Western ruling class to profit off of welfare and subsidize housing in territories in which they dominate the government and there is reliable rule of law. That is why they are in support of mass migration (and welfare breeding).

            It is very difficult for them to profit off of low income consumers in territories that already possess their own oligarchs and don’t respect rule of law.
            No conspiracy, just an observation of what is going on.

          • LHathaway

            I was under the impression that the wealthiest 1%, and the wealthiest 10%, vote to reduce immigration.

        • Sick of it

          Arabs were white until they became muslims and bred with blacks to a ridiculous degree. You’re 1400 years off.

          • 李冠毅

            No necessarily. Many Middle-Easterners were never “White” to begin with. Take for example the ancient Egyptians. Even though many on this site like to claim they were White, the evidence does not support that. Ancient Greek sources and ancient Egyptian paintings depict the ancient Egyptians as curly haired, dark skinned people. The ancient Egyptians were most likely Semitic.

          • Sick of it

            DNA studies on the Pharaohs actually prove that and then there’s the fact that today you can find white looking Semitic folk in the Middle East. The brown comes from intermixing. It’s all rather obvious unless you take the liberal-based and derived evolution approach.

          • 李冠毅

            I’ve been thinking about this, and I think maybe its the other way round: the White looking Semites have intermixed with Whites, while the brown-skinned ones are the original Semites. Otherwise, why do the mostly White-looking Ashkenazi Jews are identified by DNA tests to be closer related to the brown-skinned Middle Easterners than White Europeans? Just wondering.

          • 李冠毅

            Okay, a bit of update. I don’t mean to sound like a liberal, but the belief that ancient Egyptians were White largely stemmed from 18th and 19th century Eurocentric scholars who were amazed by the advanced technology of the ancient Egyptians, and who came to the biased conclusion that the ancient Egyptians must be White because only White people could have build an advanced civilization. However, the actual race of the ancient Egyptians have yet to be confirmed. Based on available evidence, it does not appear that they were White, though research is still ongoing.

            The DNA results of the mummies have not been confirmed, as it is nearly impossible for accurate results to be obtained from the mummies due to millennia of contamination from bacteria and archaeologists who have handled the mummies. Second, as I mentioned in an earlier comment, the ancient Egyptians were described by the ancient Greeks as “curly-haired, dark skinned people”, characteristics not exactly closely associated with Whites. Please note that the aforementioned description came from the ancient Greeks, not exactly a source you would describe as “liberal”. Finally, (and on this one point I’m just guessing) considering the climate of the Middle East, lack of pigmentation isn’t really a useful trait, right? A pale-skinned population living there would easily get skin cancer.

        • FinnShane

          You would consider Osama bin Laden to be white then. He was an ethnic Arab from Saudi Arabia.

    • newscomments70

      You don’t understand the dynmics of Turkish culture. They commit most of the violent crimes in Germany. ie Rape skyrocketed when they started immigrating into Germany. Most Western European countries do not want to be colonized by Turkey or other Arab nations. Proposing white genocide to stop white genocide is ludicrous.

      • Bartek

        Do you understand the dynamics of modern Western culture?
        Western culture promotes: multiculturalism, passivity, liberalism, anti-male ‘family’ law, role reversal feminism, homosexuality, extended adolescence, and the refusal of many reproductive age biological adults to take on adult responsibilities (eg. raise a family).

        Indigenous Europeans would actually benefit from Arab/Turkish/Persian colonization if Europeans adopted Islam.
        Since Christianity and secular humanism have utterly failed perhaps Islam could provide some respite from Europe’s self imposed ‘progressive’ self destruction.

        • newscomments70

          I know some Muslims whom I think highly of, who live as you described. The Muslims in Europe, collectively, are highly destructive, racist, violent, and sexually violent. Western liberalism disgusts me though; collectively, whites are their own worst enemy.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Respectfully, I live in Germany, and you are out of your mind.

  • “sometimes, of course, when things get worse, they just get worse”

    Bravo! (1) Time usage: Have sent hundreds of faxes to congress, yet teeth flossing taking more time; (2) Ethnostate: How could ethnostate creation be helped by having 10 times more non-Whites?

  • Charles Martel

    The reality is that if the US stops producing food AID most of the 3rd world would die off in 4 months. 100 years ago whites where 1/3 the world population and its at 10% and dropping because those that evolved to outbreed disease and wild animals are getting meds and food.

    • LexiconD1

      The drought here in CA may make your prediction come true sooner, rather than later…

    • IstvanIN

      What do you mean by “third world”? I am pretty sure that, at this point, all Asian and Latin American countries have food self-sufficient. Africa is probably more of a case-by-case basis.

      • Charles Martel

        Me thinks you are not familiar with remittances. That and Obamaphones are how Carlos Slim became the richest man in the world. The US sends out tons of aid though out the world. Not only that but search (Welfare Recipients Use EBT Cards to Ship Food Overseas). If that kind of thing stopped it would be like 10-12-13 when the US food stamp system shut down for 8 hours in 16 states a chimpapocolype. We even give aid to China despite the fact we owe them money.

        • IstvanIN

          I know we squander money on foreign aid but a cut-off of our foreign aid doesn’t mean the majority of third world nations would starve from a lack of local agriculture (excluding a number of African countries).

          • Charles Martel

            The aid has allowed them to outbreed their capacity to support themselves. There might be rural areas not hit that hard but cities may resort to cannibalism. I guess you don’t know about the ongoing food rationing in Venezuela & the currency collapse in Argentina in 2001.

  • Anton Chigurh

    Has anyone else read the Jack Donovan link? The guy is beyond delusional and has 0 credibility to be saying anything on the subject. He’s talking some kind of garbage about hastening the Collapse of the West so we can all go back to being men on the frontier. Jesus with stupid f*cks like this supposedly on the Alt Right we don’t even need Libcucks to contend with. Isn’t he a fag, by the way?

    • Anglokraut

      Seriously? Fag? That’s all you’ve got to say?

      • Anton Chigurh

        No, I also had a few sentences to say before that.

        • Anglokraut

          Aside from dragging down the tone of the comment section, Ad hominem attacks based on sexuality are simply juvenile.

          • Anton Chigurh

            The first thing I saw when I came in here tonight was talk about “blowing up” African refugees. The tone of this section is already pretty low. But just for you, I changed the “fag” to “homo”. See? Nice.

          • Garrett Brown

            Do you take it up the butt?

    • silviosilver

      Yes, he’s a homo, but that’s the least of my concerns. He really is, as you say, beyond delusional – a condition all too despairingly common among those on the far white right.

  • Hadding Scott

    Underlying the position that opposing non-White immigration is now futile are three questionable assumptions:

    (1) that the Republicans cannot get more of the White vote than they are already getting. I addressed this in my essay for The Occidental Observer titled “A Party of Plutocrats has No Future.” The Republicans can maximize White electoral solidarity by moving to the left on economics. The free-trade-and-less-government ideology is what defeated Mitt Romney in 2012, by repelling the White working class outside of the South.

    (2) that only Whites will vote against non-White immigration. In fact about half of the Black population understands that immigration is bad for them, and very likely could be persuaded to regard immigration as a key issue with an appropriate publicity-campaign by the Republicans or by some conservative group.

    (3) that the government of the United States will always be determined by the vote of a majority. The more scandals there are about rigged voting, such as occurred during the 2000 general presidential election and the 2012 Republican primaries, the less legitimacy the elected government of the United States will retain, and the more feasible its replacement with an autocracy will become. When electoral corruption is a well known fact, that is a green light for a military coup.

    • Bartek

      Since the ruling class couldn’t make guarding the border and restricting non white immigration into an endeavor they would profit from I must say I prefer the illegal colonists to the legal ones.
      That being said, I prefer a future with legalized Hispanics rather than a future with a welfare black/refugee African majority.

      • Hadding Scott

        Conservative surrender-monkey.

      • Sid Ishus

        But we’ll have both.

  • Diabolus Candidus

    Politics is hopelessly broken. Stop advocating pissing-up-rope en masse.

  • Lt. Greyman, NVA

    Sorry, but voting is insane. The people of California tried it to stop homosexuals from “marrying”. Three times they voted against it and three time it was overridden by the black robes. The third time, they released the names of voters and contributors and homosexuals tore up their houses, attacked them in the street, boycotted their businesses and worked with death threats to get people fired.

    Voting will not work, not when Gates and the rest make millions in H1B visa engineers to keep labor costs down and the Dims use the masses for cheap labor.

    Face it. Whites are a hunted and hated majority RIGHT NOW, just as in South Africa. It is down to either fight or fall into Darkness, with all that is left of our Kin.

    • ViktorNN

      Those who say that voting is futile don’t seem to get that one can do both – you can vote in an election in the morning and then work on networking with secessionists at night. There’s no necessary reason one can’t do both.

      In fact, it seems like the “voting is futile” bunch have the most disconnected, fantasist understanding of what politics really is. It’s fun to think about the fall of old wicked countries and the rise of new virtuous ones, but the truth is that most politics is about electing the school board, raising money for streets, and electing good administrators.

      And even when it comes to issues like immigration that are near and dear to white dissidents, there is value in showing up to the fight and getting our message out there even if the deck is stacked against us and we aren’t allowed a fair playing field. What better issue is mainstream politics is there for introducing white people to the idea that they have racial group interests, that they should become racially aware, and organize with other white people? To not engage in mainstream politics around this issue is to miss a big opportunity.

      • Sick of it

        Even in local government you will find yourself outnumbered by go along to get along types rather than people who give a damn.

      • silviosilver

        Those who say that voting is futile don’t seem to get that one can do both – you can vote in an election in the morning and then work on networking with secessionists at night. There’s no necessary reason one can’t do both.

        I don’t think they mean the physical act of visiting a voting booth and casting a ballot. They seem to have this idea that the business of organizing political campaigns or political action committees consumes time and resources that would be better spent organizing for something else – insurrection would be my guess. They are somewhat wrong on this count also, however, since secessionist parties have routinely combined electoral politics with extra-legal operations.

        The problem for now is that white racial issues are only the tiniest bleep on the mainstream cultural radar. That’s why the meta-political activity of framing and drawing attention to such issues is some of the most important work that can be done today. Widespread recognition of white racial concerns would be a seismic shift in political consciousness, easily comparable to that which took place over the civil rights era. If or when that occurs, it’s game-on; if it doesn’t, it’s disqus blogs all the way to the bitter end.

    • WR_the_realist

      Voting is insane. So is armed insurrection. We are screwed.

      Sorry for not providing a positive solution, but there just isn’t one.

      • Jason Lewis

        We can protest! (sarcasm)

    • WR_the_realist

      Californians also voted against giving public benefits to illegal aliens, some years back. That vote was also nullified by the dictators in black robes.

      • Jason Lewis

        Exactly.

  • Mahtoofislooth

    Excellent article. I love Mr. Spencer, and thinking of what he does everyday, read/study/argue about the Islamic take over, he’s bound to be on the cynical side. How could he not? I’m amazed he’s still sane dealing with that insanity. But it is rather defeatist to just give up. I’m not putting my money on some glorious white nationalist revival of the West, either. A great war may do it, but to expect it to come from building frustrations of more of the same, is ridiculous. Whites fought back in the 60s and had guns put in their faces and there has been no fight since, only capitulation and despair. Despair and existential crisis does not inspire strength. Europe will lead the way I feel, if a nationalist victory can happen there, then it will embolden and inspire. But it will not come from the US. If it does not, it will probably be many centuries of living in crap conditions until we’re bred out, because that is reality and that is what history has shown to happen time and time again to fallen empires and ethnicities. The dream of little white power nations is just that. You think the non-white majority US would allow a mini-white separate nation to exist? It’d be crushed in a second. Even in the 90s the hysteria over militias proves that any kind of nationalist movement will fail. Invading Canada is our best bet, either by cooperation or force. And the melting of the ice will provide more usable land for a large white nation.

  • Earl P. Holt III

    With our last ounce of courage, and to our last breath, if necessary…

  • KenelmDigby

    It’s a complex question.
    Basically, the defeatists are correct, in that White America’s goose is well and truly cooked, and the country is lost forever. If anything, massive non-White immigration will only *increase* in the future.
    So what can be done? The obvious answer is the horrible dysfunction that typifies Brazil and most of Latin America. The model of the American future already exists. Possibly, there might be a White seccesionist movement, or some sort of political movement explicitly championing White consciousness and separation – but don’t bank on it. Remember that the most vicious, evil, nasty, fanatic, low-down enemy of Whites are other Whites.
    Who knows. It’s very, very hard to make specific predictions for the future, the best that can be done is to extrapolate general ‘broad-brush’ trends that exist and will continue to exist, but we must be wary of the jokers-in-the-pack, the game changers’ the ‘black swans’ that magically swipe the board in a remarkable fashion, but overall I would expect the same continual drub-drub-drub to go on.

    • Sick of it

      Anger grows and turns into action. The boomers won’t do anything, but I know the younger generations will, even if it’s the wrong thing.

      • Sid Ishus

        Where’s the anger? I don’t see it, in fact most I talk with could care less.

  • JohnEngelman

    In the United States, mass immigration literally kills white Americans, raises the crime rate, wrecks schools and communities, burdens taxpayers, erodes social trust, and on and on.

    – Hubert Collins, American Renaissance, April 1, 2015

    In the United States the crime rate has been declining since 1980.

    Nevertheless, Hubert Collins is right that a white ethnostate is a hopeless aspiration.

    On the other hand, more immigrants mean more people. More people mean that there is less of everything good to go around.

    Moreover, non Asian minorities have considerably lower IQ averages than those of European stock.

    These truths have political implications. As time goes on the truth will become more obvious.

    • The Dude

      I see you’re still with that faulty “less to go around” reasoning. It’s a well-known economic fallacy almost at the same level as “Why don’t we just print more money?!” Based on that, the United States would be manifold more prosperous if it had only 10 people.

      I wonder how China that is four times more populous than this country is managing to create so much wealth so fast with… so little to go around.

      • JohnEngelman

        Despite the high average IQ’s of Chinese, and their ill inclinations to commit crimes, the standard of living in China is lower than in the United States, or even South Africa.

        • The Dude

          Yes, but their GDP per capita is increasing faster than any other nation’s as it’s the fastest-growing economy in the world. Britain left China poorer than both the U.S. and South Africa, so they started at a lower level. The repeated mass invasions and massacres by the Japanese Imperial Army didn’t help either.

          • JohnEngelman

            I expect China to achieve world hegemony by the end of this century, if not sooner. Meanwhile I expect Chinese Americans to become increasingly prosperous and powerful in the United States.

            I agree with Jared Taylor who said, “I think Asians [he means Orientals, not Arabs] are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society.”

      • WR_the_realist

        It’s a fallacy to assume that if a country is more prosperous with 100 million people than with 10 people then it well be even more prosperous (on a per capita basis) with 10 billion people. Eventually constraints on things like water, arable land, living space, and so forth outweigh any economic benefits of more people.

        California’s drought has not been made better by having millions of illegal immigrants using up water.

        • The Dude

          I didn’t say, “the more, the better”. I just refuted his fallacy of “less people means of everything to go around”.

          Yes, of course, all of these things you mention need to be taken into account before making a region more populous.

  • JohnEngelman

    If one feels something strongly it is easy to overestimate the number of people who feel the same way. It is easy to underestimate the difficulty of converting others to one’s persuasion.

    On an issue where the elites are in agreement, the opposition needs at least sixty percent support.

    Affluent people rarely oppose immigration. For them diversity means inexpensive servants and brilliant colleagues from all over the world. For the leaders of the Democratic Party immigrants are future Democratic voters. For the leaders of the Republican Party immigrants are future consumers and job applicants who will raise prices, reduce wages, and raise profits.

    Those who find themselves in the minority in a democracy, and who resort to violence out of frustration, find themselves in a much smaller minority.

    Timothy McVeigh thought his destruction of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building in Oklahoma City would be followed by a revolution against the U.S. government. Instead it lead to a backlash against the militia movement, even though McVeigh did not belong to a militia.

    • silviosilver

      This comment explains some of the difficulties of controlling immigration.

      But Engelman I would like you state how you feel about immigration. Do you feel in your guts that it’s wrong? Do you feel that restricting it is desirable?

      • JohnEngelman

        “No” to your first question.

        “Maybe” to your second question.

        I feel ambivalent about immigration. I like the ethnic diversity immigrants contribute. At the same time I recognize that that ethnic diversity has economic, environmental, and social costs.

        • silviosilver

          Thank you. As I’ve said before, your views are at odds with the vast majority of commenters here. You tirelessly disguise this fact but people need to be aware that you oppose their interests at the most fundamental level.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have been quite open in expressing my opinions, and in documenting my arguments with documented facts. Many of these facts come from this website. I have frequently quoted Jared Taylor, and those who spoke at American Renaissance conferences to substantiate my points.

            Moreover, among the American people my opinions are considerably more mainstream than yours are. Those who cannot debate me cannot possibly change popular opinions. They can never be effective nationally. They can only reinforce their prejudices with other extremists.

        • WR_the_realist

          I don’t think we’re hurt by modest levels of immigration of intelligent, law abiding people. But we’re being overwhelmed by mass immigration of people with no regard to their quality. We get Somalis, Haitians, Rwandans, Guatemalans, and even invite the parents of children who broke our immigration laws to come here. (Who knew that the easiest way to immigrate illegally into the U.S. is to toss junior over the fence and then wait for Obama to put you on a plane to reunify you with your child?) Many of these people are immediately put on welfare. It’s insanity.

          • JohnEngelman

            What you say is true.

        • Lt. Greyman, NVA

          “ethnic diversity immigrants contribute”. Like what, their rape rates? Is there any of this “ethic Diversity” you could get through a TV screen instead of inflicting it on your fellow people. In short John, Puntamn in his book “Bowling Alone” makes the case that ethic homogeneity is the key ingredient in ethic cohesiveness. The White race makes plenty of criminals, but how much less cohesiveness are you willing to take to enjoy “ethic Diversity”. How much death, how much more rape or beatings, their diseases?

          White Homeland! Northwest Front!

          • JohnEngelman

            The minorities I admire have low crime rates and high IQ’s.

  • DelmarJackson

    Study the real reasons laws were passed in the 1920s to reduce legal immigration if you want to pass such laws again. Also, don’t blame immigrants for immigration. The billionaire open border globalists are pushing a focused immigration agenda and have been for years. They have bought most of the media and political parties. We get to decide petty social issues and they control trade, the economy, wars and immigration policy.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    I read the book ‘Passing of the Great Race’ and it is a wonderful book. So very true.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    The picture of those Somali muslims and knee grows becoming citizens gave me a shiver up my spine 20 times. Look at some of those negroes with dreadlocks. YUCK!!!!

  • Bartek

    None of the politicians are permitted by their sponsors to address immigration from a point of concern for the Nation.
    We need to return to pre-1965 standards in which assimilation was the prime concern.
    As it stands right now the illegal colonists are much more likely to assimilate than any of the Asians and Africans the US Federal government routinely hands out Visas to.
    Political deadlock is preferable to any scheme the GOP will come up with that grants unassimilable Africans and Asians more Visas.

    • Sid Ishus

      I for one have no wish to encourage assimilation. I tell every Black who will stand still long enough about Malcolm X’s speeches on separation.

  • ViktorNN

    Great article with lots of great points.

    I want to reiterate and underline a few very important points that the article made:

    1. Worse is not necessarily better.

    This is so true. Things can just get worse. People use this argument as an excuse for accepting political defeats. It’s an argument which leads to complacency and apathy.

    2. Collins mentions that Donovan hopes for some sort of collapse to happen in the future.

    This is another stupid, flawed thing to hope for or count on.

    There may never be the kind of collapse that Donovan’s hoping for. It’s possible, but not certain. Far from certain. It may be that the U.S. slowly declines into a second or third world majority non-white country where elites are still able to keep total political and cultural control. What is our plan for that possibility? Of course, no white nationalist rockstar writer ever speculates about this possibility because it’s not as glamorous as a Hollywood-style complete, sudden collapse scenario. I would just add that for being a “movement” which pins its hopes on collapse scenarios, we aren’t particularly great students of how such things happen or how to prepare for them. I doubt we’d do well if a collapse did happen someday – we’d be caught flat footed.

    3. Spencer, Donovan, Covington are fools for giving up on electoral politics.

    One can do both. One can do multiple things at once. Or maybe they can’t – but the rest of us can.

    4. Immigration is the most important mainstream issue for us to rally around and plant our flag on.

    Immigration is the one mainstream issue where we can enter into the debate and argue our side in a way that most white people will understand and possibly be won over by. They get it. Most white people are already white dissidents if you look at polling which says that white people really hate illegal immigration and wish that illegal immigrants would go home rather than be granted citizenship.

    Immigration is the perfect issue for us to step up and say “it’s okay for white people to not want to become a minority” – which, if you think about it, is another way of saying that it’s okay for white people to be racially conscious and to organize politically around racial interests.

    Spencer, Donovan, Covington, and the like are fools for missing this opportunity. They seem to think that because they haven’t been able to successfully reach the mainstream so far that there aren’t lessons to be learned and other messages to be tried. They just give up and become defeatists, content to run lame ass websites.

    Hopefully the next generation of white dissidents will be better thinkers. Most of the edifice of past white racialism in this country needs to be abandoned as pointless, increasingly irrelevant, dead weight. Hopefully our youth are brave enough to do this abandoning.

    Sadly this edifice that needs to be abandoned includes most websites that have sprung up over the past 15 years (Radix, Alt-Right, Counter-Currents, Daily Stormer). Jared Taylor, on the other hand, stands above the rest as someone with a remarkable intellect, clear communicator, and a firm grasp on the real world.

    • silviosilver

      [Immigration], if you think about it, is another way of saying that it’s okay for white people to be racially conscious and to organize politically around racial interests.

      That’s certainly true, but I think what accounts for the failure of so many WN outfits to run with it is their awareness that it’s an incomplete solution (if one accepts WN premises) and their consequent fear that it’ll be 1924 all over again, so to speak. That is, yes, immigration was restricted (albeit imperfectly), but with that task accomplished the coalition that achieved it simply faded away. A mere fifteen years later the America First Committee that sprang up to keep the USA out of what was to become WWII was already but a pale shadow of the Immigration Restriction League’s political influence, and things only ever got worse thereafter.

      A key difference between then and now, however, is that the IRL sympathizers could be forgiven for thinking that, with immigration restricted, all would be well. After all, America was still overwhelmingly northwest European, racial consciousness was widespread, mainstream culture supported white identity and white societies were protected by segregation. None of that holds true today. If immigration were halted tomorrow no one would think that the WN’s job is done. There is every reason to think that the energies formerly contributed to restricting immigration would then seamlessly transfer to some new racial political objective. Immigration-boosters, it seems to me, understand this far better than WNs.

  • For many nations, America included, I think the time for playing politics and dreaming about there being any real democracy in these matters is coming to a close. It is without question important to try – providing that people do not just drift along in the hope that something magic will happen.

    This is where the scenario of community building comes in. It will take decades to build strong communities that are not going to be washed away ideologically or by other means. We do not have decades left. Efforts are perhaps well spent looking at this route, as we need to have some kind of back-up plan.

    However, the article is right in that we cannot just ceasing to care about immigration because it is “already too late”. The wise thing to do is to do more than one thing at once.

    There would be nothing stopping community builders from lobbying and voting for anti-immigration candidates – and there is nothing stopping those voters looking at other options than just voting and lobbying.

    The difficult thing is no doubt deciding how much of our limited time, money and effort to spend in each direction. This is where people need to develop a bit more co-ordination of efforts instead of all slogging away in isolation (and disagreements).

    • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

      Politicians no longer work for the people, but for themselves and for votes.

      • JohnEngelman

        Politicians can only get votes by being sensitive to popular opinion.

        • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

          Shut up you worm in the apple. Who asked you for your liberal views.

          • JohnEngelman

            Is that all you can do?

        • Lt. Greyman, NVA

          God that is funny! Three quick examples to show you have no clue.

          1. Homosexual marriage shot down by voters repeatedly-reversed by politicians and blackrobes because of money.

          2. Illegal Immigration- Vast majorities against it, including H1B visa expansion. But Bill Gates signs a check and WOW! Seattle and Bellevue look like downtown New Delhi and our border states declare Emergencies.

          3. Gun Control. A losing proposition repeatedly struck down by the Courts and repeatedly struck down by the electorate. The fact is that 90% of the crime is negro on everyone else and everyone else wants to defend themselves from the negro. Here in the future Homeland, Bill Gates and a few other Billionaires sign a check and we get Prop-495, a gun control bill that even the sponsors can”t figure out what it means.

          In short your idea that politicians are “sensitive” to popular opinion is naive and silly. They are sensitive to who contributes and would sign a bill aborting all Whites if the check as big enough.

          • JohnEngelman

            According to a Gallup Survey taken May 8 – 11, 2014 55 percent of the American people support homosexual marriage. It is probably higher now, because opinion on this issue has been shifting rapidly.

            According to a CBS News Poll.taken March 21-24, 2015 56 percent of the American people think illegal immigrants should be allowed to stay in the United States, and apply for citizenship.

          • Sam Brown

            Only after 30 years of cultural indoctrination by MSM and compulsory ‘education’.
            Much effort, on many fronts (‘education’, MSM, ‘entertainment’, Court Justices, etc.), is expended on the part of the manipulators to get what they want.

  • Lord Sandwich

    Funny how in such a short time frame “immigration” has become a euphemism for government-sanctioned foreign invasion.

  • Lord Sandwich

    Amen! Who will be willing to sacrifice themselves leading a consciousness-raising failed uprising like John Brown did, only for white interests this time?

  • pcmustgo

    With all this increase in Hispanic/Mexican immigration, why did the violent crime rate drop? Other than abortion… Violent crime rates have been dropping for some time…

    North East Hispanics more violent than other Hispanics… hmm, because they are part Black Puerto Rican, Dominican, etc?

    • silviosilver

      Increased incarceration rates explain a large part of the drop, but I think an underrated explanation is that society really has become more tolerant and accepting of difference. Regardless of what one thinks about that, it has certain social effects, and one of those has been people who’d formerly felt embittered by their exclusion now feel that they have something to gain from productive participation in society. Consequently, the chances that such people fall into a habit of criminal behaviour are diminished. Put simply, it’s much easier to become a criminalistic, antisocial a–hole if you think society hates you and is out to get you.

      Nevertheless, although crime rates have decreased even as the proportion of Hispanics has significantly risen, it’s important not to lose sight of the fact that Hispanics are more criminal than whites. Excluding Caribbean types, Hispanics are somewhere between 1.5 to 3 times as criminal as whites (WN analyses tend towards the higher figure, anti-WNs towards the former). Therefore we should assume that crime would have decreased even more had there not been the Hispanic influx.

      • The Dude

        I agree with some of what you said. However, when blacks faced more societal and state-sanctioned hostility and “exclusion” half a century ago, they didn’t as prone to leading thuggish lives as they are now.

    • The Dude

      Abortion, mass incarceration, drop in the white crime rate, and an increase in the Asian population. The two first helped reduce the black and Hispanic crime rates over time.

      • Lt. Greyman, NVA

        Huge numbers of crimes are not reported anymore.

  • Bardon Kaldian

    You just can’t create a functioning majority white state without dumping democracy. Sorry, but democracy has become a white man’s grave.

    • IstvanIN

      I would say that universal suffrage is the real culprit.

  • Sick of it

    On this we agree completely. Plus, such a nation would always suffer from a fifth column within, being as most of the people (the people from those regions) are anti-white liberals.

  • JohnEngelman

    In politics as in life one should know when hard work makes a difference and when it does not.

    During the War in Vietnam I was in the anti war movement. In retrospect I think that movement prolonged the War in Vietnam. Anti war demonstrators with their traffic disruptions, their vandalism, and their expressions of anti American and pro Communist sentiment angered the voters and provoked them to vote for hawkish politicians who continued the war effort.

    By 1971 public opinion polls indicated that most Americans disliked the War in Vietnam, and disliked the war protesters even more.

    Most of us in the anti war movement were not foul mouthed, promiscuous flag burners who seldom bathed. Unfortunately, enough were to make the stereotype plausible.

    There is another movement that changed the political situation in the United States in a few months without a single demonstration. This was the tax revolt. When Proposition 13 was passed in California reducing property taxes America was a different country.

    According to the U.S. General Social Survey 25 percent of all Americans want immigration “reduced a little” and 27 percent want immigration “reduced a lot.” Immigration is an issue on which race realists can be effective if we act intelligently and realistically.

    Another issue is with the basic truths of race realism, especially as explained by Professor J. Philippe Rushton in his “Race, Evolution, and Behavior.” As more is learned about the human genome, and as racial differences persist despite efforts to erase them, the truths of race realism will become more obvious, and more difficult to suppress.

    Race realism is not a movement. It is a scientific theory with political implications.

    • The Dude

      About your last paragraph. While that’s true, there’s also the identitarian or social aspect of racialism. That’s at least half of what white advocacy is about.

  • The Dude

    I don’t think the 73 Chilean coup is a good example of a successful revolution. Well, it was successful but it wasn’t the people or the military that did it alone–Pinochet was covertly aided from start to finish by the U.S. government to topple Leftist Allende. And we don’t have that kind of support today.

    By the way, Chile has been the most prosperous economy of Latin America ever since Pinochet cut short the Socialist and nationalizations horsedung of his predecessor and imposed a Right-wing laissez-faire market economy with an iron fist based on economist advisor educated in the United States. We’re still waiting a thank-you note from the Chilean people.

    • JohnEngelman

      Chile has had a Socialist President since March 11, 2014.

      • The Dude

        It does, but from what I’ve just read about its party (the Socialist Party), it’s based more on the Swedish-style social democracy than all-out socialism like those other loudmouth Latin American governments like Venezuela’s Maduro and Morales’. The means of production are still mainly privately owned as well as the major oil companies.

        • JohnEngelman

          What you say is true. Scandinavian Social Democracy is the closest approximation of democratic socialism that really works.

          Of course it helps that the vast majority of the populations in Chile, and Scandinavia are white.

          • The Dude

            Yes, and although I tend to be skeptical about that kind of welfarism, I think Chile might just be European enough to pull it off.

  • Diversity Heretic

    Intellectually I agree with all of the arguments in this article. I admire Peter Brimelow for the work that he does and Jeff Sessions and Steve King for their leadership on the immigration issue. But emotionally I side with Richard Spencer, especially after the Republicans failed to do anything to block Obama’s patently unconstitutional executive amnesty. I just don’t see any way to put together a political coalition to even significantly restrict immigration, let alone the 40 year moratorium on mass immigration that might give us some kind of a chance at assimilation of what we have. Democrats see immigrants as cheap votes, Republicans as cheap labor; neither paty cares about the white American middle and working class, and the demographic changes mean that neither party may have to in 20-30 years; So I visit the vDare site with less and less interest these days.

    Although I agree that discussions of armed rebellion have an air of unreality, I don’t think they can be entirely dismissed as pure fantasy. Imagine a world in 10-15 years with the U.S; involved in wars all over the world (South American, Africa, Middle and Near East, possibly even Asia, and very dangerous conflicts with Russia in Ukraine or the Baltic). The regular military is overextended and possibly suffers a couple of serious defeats. The governors of North and South Dakota, Montana and Idaho order their state national guards to disarm any federal troops, and state police to arrest federal judges and U;S. marshals. The ICBM fields are captured. The governors order the national guards to resist any territorial incusions but not to initiate any offensive actions. State legislatures pass articles of succession and offer to negotiate a peaceful withdrawal from the United States. They perhaps even appeal to Canada for assistance and protection. Under those circumstances, what alternatives would the national government have?

    • If you’re looking for support of the current paradigm wearing itself out and thereby breathing new life into conventional secession, I doubt it.

      I think the more likely drastic shift will be that when automation makes most people redundant and unemployable, it will wind up being an economic change that begets political changes. I think what’s more likely to happen is that it will be the time when the iron is hot for NRx to strike. Meaning ethnonationalist monarchism.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Why should we run away like rabbits from the country that our ancestors shed blood to build?

    —————————————-
    Because that country is going to disappear, probably forever. Soon enough america will be a nation of 400-500 million mostly third world people. Will a white nationalist movement be able to kick them all out, not to mention all the demented white liberals? We have a better chance of invading and taking over Canada.

  • NoMosqueHere

    You may say I’m a dreamer…

    • george00

      Yes I’ve noticed there’s a lot of dreaming going on in the heads of people who make comments at Amren.

  • WR_the_realist

    America lacks the kind of proportional representation parliament that European countries have. That’s why third parties never get any traction here. In many European countries if your party gets 10% of the vote you get representation in the parliament. In America if your party gets 10% of the vote you get zero representation in the government. And of course the mass media conspires to maintain the two party duopoly. Good luck getting your candidate invited to any debate if he’s not a Republican or Democrat.

    And even in Europe every so called “mainstream” right leaning party teams up with socialists and Communists to block the power of insurgent nationalist parties like the National Front.

  • Hadding Scott

    That small child in one of the photos looks like an albino, and from features I would say an albino Indian, rather than a European child.

    • Jason Lewis

      Naa if it were albino they would eat it to obtain it’s power.

  • Jason Lewis

    Sounds like either choice is lousy.

    • Sid Ishus

      Wherever you go we will follow – Atlanta mayor paraphrase

  • Lt. Greyman, NVA

    George Washington had a completely different set of Circumstances. The situation is far more like the IRA than it is the situation at Lexington and Concord, the Indian Wars or even Bundy Ranch.

    What will we do with 40 million negros? Best answer, establish a White homeland here in the USA and let the negros devolve.

  • Lt. Greyman, NVA

    The girl scouts could kick Canada’s ass.

  • Lt. Greyman, NVA

    None of those things happened in any of the great Revolutions. In the French Revolution, it was literally sparked in a Bar and the people “rose up” and the Horrors were unleashed in hours.

    Whites want pre-printed posters, T-shirts with all the right slogans on them and the Revolution in an orderly, productive manner so that no one misses work or makes a fuss.

    When the revolution comes, it will come like a sudden rain, or to use the British pharse: “Seizing the Tiger by the tail” and no one will be able to let go.” Things will be violent and never the same. You cry surrender far too soon, as the orchestra has yet to play the opening acts.

  • Luca

    Anyone who understands exponential growth knows that the paradigm we have created is unsustainable at a future point in time. What will your quality of life be when America has a billion people and 75% of them are dependent on tax money and entitlement programs? And in the next generation, how many more new people must be added to the population to support those billion when they are old, sick or hungry?

    War, disease, famine and genocide are Mother Nature’s solution to the folly of mankind.

  • Sid Ishus

    A few of us are meeting in Tennessee in two weeks, but I’m afraid there will be more protesters than attendees. I’ve been looking through their Facebook pages and they are made up of a lot of White women….our own women are fighting us.

  • jaye ellis

    I agree with Hubert Collins, we should continue to focus on opposing bad immigration. Along with opposing Black crime, Black anarchy, Black welfare abuse – it’s our best issue, Whites can and do come out to support local guys who take the lead in opposing bad immigration. Sherif Joe A in Arizona is the most popular local guy. We knocked out Eric Cantor, Chris Cannon and to a lesser extent Dick Lugar over their immigration treasons.

    Sure, our few victories get pushed aside by the Obama admin and the GOP plutocracy, Agribusiness traitors like Tyson Foods CEO Donny Smith, but my view is that the issue helps empower local heroes.

    Rudy Guliani rose to power and fame by opposing, reversing Black crime, Black anarchy in New York City. New local heroes can and must rise to power opposing bad immigration.

    We need many more pro White mayors, sheriffs, county board chairmen – let’s find some winners and back them in Governor’s races. We need new, powerful immigration patriot Governors who will work for real separation from corrupt Washington the media elite in LA and New York City.

    Sure, at the Presidential level, elections are all fixed and immigration patriots have little or no shot at winning anything. The Presidential election is just a circus anyway, Zionist oligarchs and Christian Zionist idiots, New Con media – yeah, totally fixed. But it isn’t that way at city, county and to a lesser degree state levels.

    Let’s double down and go state and local and find, empower immigration patriots. When we have power at the state and local levels we can start to work for real, secession, separation.

    Giving up on immigration is, well just giving up.

    • Jon

      We do need pro white leaders but any they come forward are afraid to be called a racists and do not run on the pro white platform. The only other option would be to move to ghost town across the USA but to preserve the identity people would have to build walls and gated communities like cities did for a long time. Politics will not save us since 99% of all politicians are panderers and only care about being elected.

  • Jon

    There is no way to fight it now since our leaders have sold us out and all there is now is to watch as the USA becomes a 3rd nation with each generation. The flood of 3rd world people will consume everything leaving nothing but a sewer. What type of fighting do they think we should do because force is the only way and I do not see that happening. This could very well be the passing of the great race for this country.

  • Jon

    The best thing might be to leave the sinking ship to the 3rd world people and build a new in countries that are friendly to us like Eastern Europe. The ideas are good ones but with a flood of 3rd world people that is gonna be near impossible.

    • Sam Brown

      Why?
      Wouldn’t your descendents (or lack thereof) just ruin those Nations too?

      • Jon

        I am not from the 3rd world and u misunderstood what i said because politics will not save the USA from the 3rd world flood. Even if someone says all the right things what is to stop them from stabbing us in the the back after they get into office. Politicians all say what we want to hear but only care about money and getting elected if a person came along who cared about the interests of white people the media would shoot him down and then the big money would make sure he would not stand a chance. Pat Buchanan was one the last people to run for office who actually cared about White Americans. My Ancestors came over on the Mayflower.

    • falskog

      Where? where will you move 200 million Americans? This land is our land and the fight must go on here

      • Jon

        I said the only way to fight immigration is by force because any other way will not work and voting will not change. If the fight must go on then the only way to save the country is by force but like the article said even if it was stopped permanently here the damage is done. To keep this country would require forcefully expelling all those that came here illegally and would require a whole new type of leadership.

  • Rumpelstiltskin

    The thing is the media is going to paint the Right out to be hard on immigration even when it isn’t, so it’s just going to be an uphill battle to actually live up to expectations. Also, an ill-fated new party that will be interpreted as being racist just wouldn’t get much momentum. It would be more productive to focus on sneakier immigration issues like restriction of the social safety net. If that wasn’t accessible for people who weren’t currently citizens or people capable of getting legitimate work visas it wouldn’t make any sense for anyone to move here from a less competitive economy unless they were individually exceptional.It wouldn’t just be preventative; you’d actually get rid of people. Throw in the removal of certain visa caps–which, in my experience, tend to arbitrarily thin out the number of Europeans who come here for college that can actually stay–and you can make it look pro-immigration, at least enough that the liberal media narrative can’t attack it effectively.

  • GenJackRipper

    Interesting article but…

    “The Finns were occupied by the Swedish Empire for over six centuries,
    but they never had a large-scale revolt until over a century after the
    Swedes had ceded their Finnish territory to the Russian Empire in the
    early 19th century.”

    Finland wasn’t “occupied” by Sweden. It as a natural part of the country.
    People in the eastern part of the country was viewed as any other swede; albeit with a different language.
    No finnish identity was established until the russian occupation; and most of the creators of the finn identity were swedish speaking finns.