Where is the C in CPAC?

Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, March 8, 2014

What are "conservatives" trying to conserve?

At CPAC this year you could listen to Newt Gingrich, meet Grover Norquist, and learn about “Healthcare after Obamacare.” You could attend a lecture on “Why Conservatism is Right for Women,” and listen to Erika Harold, Miss America 2003. But hardly anyone even talked about immigration. CPAC orgnizers seem to think the country can turn into a multi-culti hash and still be the United States.

The one panel on immigration was rigged from the start. Its title was “Can there be meaningful immigration reform without citizenship?” Illegals obviously have to be legalized; the only question is whether they get citizenship.

According to press reports, two of the panelists were Hispanic, and insisted that their now-legal pals would swarm into the Republican Party. “Latino voters are the Reagan Democrats of today,” claimed Alfonso Aguilar, who hosts El Show de Alfonso Aguilar on Univision America Radio.

He was outdone by Reverend Luis Cortes, Jr. “I believe that the majority of them [Hispanics] can actually be members of CPAC in the future,” he said, explaining that “the Hispanic community is about less government, it is afraid of big government.” Rev. Cortes drums up speaking engagements through a Hispanics-only speakers bureau.

Helen Krieble​ made a pitch for a huge guest-worker program, and the one dissident, Derrick Morgan of the Heritage Foundation, did not exactly strike a ringing blow for the West. “I respectfully disagree with the policy of legalization with or without citizenship,” he managed to say.

The previous day, Donald Trump made a brief allusion to illegals—“we either have borders or we don’t”—but Ann Coulter was the one real man out of hundreds of speakers. In her Saturday appearance, she kept coming back to immigration. Republicans who favor amnesty, she insisted, are basically saying: “Screw the country! We want our low-wage workers!”

Her final words were remarkable:

Amnesty is for ever, and you gotta vote for the Republicans one more time, but just make it clear, “If you pass amnesty, that’s it. It’s over.” Then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America.

She was a lonely—but well applauded—voice.

Coulter

CPAC, or the Conservative Political Action Conference, should change its name to RPAC, with “R” for Republican. To the extent that CPAC takes any real positions, they are the two branches of Republicanism. One is small government/low taxes, and the other is “social conservatism,” which means fighting homosexual marriage, women in combat, and abortion on demand. Gun rights and religion are part of the package. Race, officially, doesn’t matter at all.

Although no one at CPAC probably realizes this, there are several countries that practice their brand of conservatism almost perfectly. They have small governments, levy few taxes, and are socially conservative enough to suit Sarah Palin. They are also hell holes. Somalia and the eastern Congo are almost pure CPAC; Haiti and Eritrea come close, as do the Tribal Areas of Pakistan. In some of these places, it’s hard even to imagine smaller government or lower taxes, and they certainly don’t have homosexual marriage or women in combat.

In Somalia and the Tribal Areas, abortion is unheard of, and there is a strong public affirmation of religious faith—CPAC-ers should love that. Those places are ideal by NRA standards, too. No Class-3 firearms licenses required; everyone goes full auto. You could probably pick up a 20-mm canon in Mogadishu or Peshawer. Somehow, though, I don’t think Wayne LaPierre is likely to move to either place. Republicans don’t seem to be attracted to these “conservative” paradises.

What, by CPAC standards, would be the worst country to live in? Probably Denmark, Norway, or Sweden, with their high-tax nanny states, hatred of guns, and homo-lesbo-atheist decadence. But if any of the thousands of people who attended CPAC had to find a new home, these cloying tyrannies would probably look attractive.

Why is it that countries that follow CPAC’s principles are miserable and getting worse, while countries that violate them are doing well and getting better? Doesn’t that utterly refute “conservative” politics? For anyone who officially agrees that race doesn’t matter, there is no way out of that box. The left could get a lot of mileage out of rubbing Republican noses in the difference between Haiti and Denmark, because today’s Republicans have neither the brains nor the backbone for the obvious reply: White people build nice places to live, and black people don’t.

If CPAC-ers want to conserve anything they really care about, they first need to understand that they have to conserve a people. Without whites, nothing they think they are fighting for has a chance. Republicans could get Congress to pass every law they ever dreamed of, but it wouldn’t make any difference in an America that was a multi-culti hash.

Immigration, of course, and the amnesty that even “conservatives” now endorse lead straight to multi-culti hash. Unless Republicans wake up to what really must be conserved, they will disappear along with the country.

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Jared Taylor is the editor of American Renaissance and the author of White Identity: Racial Consciousness in the 21st Century.
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  • DaveMed

    “CPAC, or the Conservative Political Action Committee, should change its name to RPAC, with “R” for Republican.”
    ________________________________________________________

    Exactly. It’s clear that today’s Republicans and “conservatives” exist simply for the purpose of playing against the liberal Democrats.

    It’s a game to them, and it was refreshing to see Ann Coulter finally calling out the big-business interests in the GOP (pointing out, in the process, that middle-class Whites would be hurt the most by amnesty).

    • Nathanwartooth

      She has actually been doing this for a while now. She even said that she is a “one issue voter” and that one issue is immigration.

      • JohnEngelman

        Mike Savage is good on this too, defining his philosophy as “borders, language, culture.”

        • springisgood

          He is also a Jew.

          • JohnEngelman

            Yeah I know.

        • RisingReich

          Yeah but blood and soil, essentially the same thing, ‘bees NAZI raycis, nomewhatmsayin’?

        • jeffaral

          What culture Mr Savage means? Yiddish culture?

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        I used to be a one-issue voter, but that was about guns. Forever prohibited firearms, I have broadened my horizons.

    • Nancy Thomas

      The GOP is controlled opposition, and not even very good at it.

      • DaveMed

        Which is a shame, because a lot of those people you see at Tea Party rallies really are potential WNs. They just don’t know it yet.

        • Jesse James

          I don’t know Dave they are a long way from being racially conscious. I comment from time to time over at National Review and American Thinker and they mostly seemed terrified of anyone speaking about race issues especially any that deviate from the idea that race is meaningless and that there are no racial differences in potential or behavior. I get almost zero up votes for anything I post on those sites. Just a day ago or so somebody was shocked that I would even use black as an identifier on a point I was making regarding the problems in an American city. Most completely ignore me, kind of like pretending they don’t smell the fart on the thread. I even did a rough experiment where I varied my statements from provocatively racist to carefully crafted fair minded statement and the result was nothing got any responses.

          • DaveMed

            I agree that they are not generally racially-conscious. However, this is simply a matter of lack of exposure.

            What the majority of them have not realized is that their objections to the brave new world of 21st century America are very much racial in nature. Opposition to Affirmative Action, unyielding objection to gun rights “compromises”, objection to the coddling of Latino illegals, attempts to maintain some sort of limited government, etc… these are very traditional (i.e., European-) American notions.

            What they don’t realize (yet) is that they are essentially pining for traditional (wink) America, and that the influx and over-breeding of non-Whites is sure to destroy all they love.

          • Jesse James

            I do think it is important to give exposure to our ideas, which is why I keep trying to comment on those sites. Just openly discussing race serves the purpose of breaking PC taboos. It is important not to play into leftist stereotypes of racial realist as stupid troglodytes.

          • DaveMed

            Exactly. The first couple dozen times I saw the phrase “Diversity is code for White genocide” (or a variant), I thought it was just silly and melodramatic. But, with repeated exposure to the facts of anti-White activity on the part of the elites, I came to realize that the phrase is actually very meaningful in the sense that it references the slow but persistent wearing-down of European identity and White cultures.

            That’s not to say I think it’s the most effective phrase that can be used. (I’ve recently begun to use a variant along the lines of: “Diversity is simply an excuse to suppress White interests in favor of those of other groups.”) I’m just illustrating the principle.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            I prefer the phrase: Massive 3rd world immigration is death for whites.

            Other alternatives:

            Massive 3rd world immigration is the ethnic cleansing and race replacement of white people.

            Massive 3rd world immigration is genocide against the white race.

          • DaveMed

            Very solid. I may be using the second one quite a lot.

          • silviosilver

            Don’t lose heart, it’s inherently a slow process. It’s common to note in these parts that leftist race denial set back the field of physical anthropology for decades. In a similar way, I think it can be said that the hardcore “neonazi” type WNs set back the white racial cause for decades because their message was so unpalatable to whites who, despite whatever misgivings they may have had about the leftist approach to racial issues, did not feel anything like the neonazis’ burning racial rage.

          • silviosilver

            Sarcasm can work very well, especially when dealing with meeker or younger people. I like “Sounds crazy I know, but check it out: whites are people, too!” which you can always use in response to tiresome “that’s racist!” reactions.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    Conservatives in America will keep losing because what they advocate for is an older form of liberalism, which is what lead us to where we are at today. I have a bunch of these clueless conservative friends. All they seem to do is utter, “muh freedoms”, over and over.

    • antiquesunlight

      They’ll keep losing because the only people capable of living prosperously in that kind of system are the people who are rapidly becoming a minority in their own country.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        The only form of conservatism that would ever work in the US these days would be a traditionalist one based on medieval feudalism, complete with aristocracy and landless peasants. In fact, the more ethnic and cultural diversity there is, the more socio-economic stratification we have because of differential civilizational abilities between races, leading to the emergence of a neo-feudal order.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          The “…socio-economic stratification…” is also artificial, based on treachery and deceit.

          newscomment70 here at AmRen speaks of a Road Warrior-like existence in southern California, to the point where he encountered a CHP cop fresh from Africa who couldn’t read or write.

          This could not have happened in the America that was. The Cultural Marxists call it ‘…equal results…’. On paper, the Black wedge grew on the diversity pie chart, but he is a fraud, like so many I met at a federal contractor. It’s appearances over performances.

          The almighty Diversity & Inclusion pie chart that translates to Discrimination & Exclusion for hetero, white males.

          • newscomments70

            For the record, it was actually the Mexican cop who could not read nor write (even Spanish words!).

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Oh, sorry.

            Remember the Black cop, Chris Dorner, who went on a shooting rampage recently? His manifesto indicated the same employment sleazery and slight-of-hand that that white men have been experiencing for decades.

            Women and Latinos were working him out the door with phony and trumped-up charges (to hear him say it). He got written up for complaining about a heavy-handed Greaserito woman whose nickname was: “…La Chupacabra…” Same thing happened to bigone4u down in San Antonio.

            The Left could always count on the hetero, white man to take his discrimination like a man. After all, they are the nation-makers. This Black man took a few with him. Maybe Dorner was right?

          • Sick of it

            The pen would be mightier if men were wise and intelligent. Even the Founders had to use the sword to do what a good chunk of the population wanted done, in a time when people were more realistic about the world around them.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I don’t believe it will have any effect on my persecutors. They have made it clear in their actions that they are irredeemable. I would write it to try and rally the redeemable. “Shaming is good” if they have the capacity for it. They don’t. Only Nation-makers respond to shaming. Nation-takers scoff.

          • Sick of it

            Well said. We can use terms like liberals, socialists, communists, etc. but, quite simply, our enemies have no shame. They are “no limit niggas” so to speak.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            They are the rats in the liquid cocaine experiment. The rat will keep pulling the lever for more cocaine until it dies.

            But, instead of liquid cocaine it’s entitlement crack, and the lever is marked ‘D’.

            The difference is: we die instead of the rat.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Yes, and Obama is the prototype for this filth.

          • Nancy Thomas

            It’s a zero sum game…the non-whites have been given the means to STEAL from the whites who founded and built this country.

        • Black Swan

          The U.S. is moving toward an authoritarian, one-world state as was practiced in the old Soviet Union, where the state is God with whites at the bottom. Our land, treasure and resources will be confiscated by non-whites overlords and we’ll be left landless and without access to resources and, importantly, with NOWHERE to go as all white homelands are going in the same direction.

          Ask the Ukranians what it feels like to have all of your food confiscated and you are forced to watch while your family starves to death. Or the South African whites who are lorded over by blacks who hate and despise them – and are being systematically slaughtered.

          • Nancy Thomas

            You nailed it, the police state is setup and ready to go and IMHO they are just itching for whites to make a move so they can sic the military on us.

          • Sick of it

            They’ve been making moves for years. If we do nothing, things will simply go much worse for us.

          • SoulInvictus

            Thus the increase in efforts to disarm law abiding gun owners…

          • Garrett Brown

            If whites were at the bottom in the USSR who was at the top?

          • Black Swan

            Jews.

          • Garrett Brown

            Stalin and his administration weren’t Jews.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        Or that kind of system leads to them becoming a minority in their own country and is inherently self-destructive..

    • Sick of it

      Oh no no, classical liberals were like the Founders. These jokers (mainstream “conservatives”) seem to embrace big government. They’re possibly slightly conservative Socialists in all reality.

    • Nancy Thomas

      Conservative are losing because the Dems are importing foreign voters. It has little to do with conservative ideology and everything to do with the Dems acting in a treasonous way to destroy our country.

  • antiquesunlight

    Good points, Jared. Our founding fathers always understood that our way of life could not work without a certain kind of people. Not only do they need to be white people, they need to be a certain kind of white people: American white people. Unfortunately, because of public school and media indoctrination, most mellennials (of which I am one) barely qualify.

    • Sick of it

      The Founders were even picky regarding which white people should be allowed to come here. Everything is so different now.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Yes, and also they implicitly took for granted that most (if not all) of the people would be Christians. This is key, because the whole love your enemy/forgiveness doctrine only works with other like minded individuals.

        • Sick of it

          All one has to do is read the Bible to see that personal forgiveness does not mean the same as covering up the crimes of others or destroying all reasonable laws which prevent the abuse of other people. God has always been fine with laws which restrain men from evil deeds (it was His idea).

  • jackryanvb

    Well said, but we are not allowed to say basic truths. Only one woman Ann Coulter can say these fundamental truths.

    Ann should bitch slap Newt Gingrich, Mike Huckabee and lisping Lindsey Graham.

    I should be among the few end of Camp if the Saints novel in TN at the end of April.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      If she did that, she’d never be invited back to CPAC again.

      But she’s probably seen just about her last…er….RPAC anyway, the way it’s going, the way they’re purging.. So she might as well do those things. It’s like the free heave at the end zone you can take if after the ball has been snapped to you it’s obvious the refs threw a flag on the defense.

      • Black Swan

        “she’d never be invited back to CPAC again.”
        Then she should wear that as a badge of honor.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Just as Jared Taylor and Enoch Powell don’t/didn’t waiver.

          Galileo was placed under house arrest for not backing down on his theory that the earth revolves around the sun. He was still a villain for his stance 100 years after his death.

          • Sick of it

            The most amusing thing about that incident is that Aristarchus had come up with the theory long before Galileo (3rd century B.C.).

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I was just watching the clickable link that Jared provided. Ann did well.

      She compared the Obama fruit-loops to Grateful Dead cultists.

      “…Shaming is good…” was probably to agitate the Left wing blogs. She knows how to plant those seeds.

      She basically said that if you turn the society back over to the adults, they will fix it. Mickey Kaus knew enough to keep things low-key once Ann started getting steady applause. He was honoring the old adage:‘…If you shoot the Queen, don’t miss…’

      • Jesse James

        Yes she definitely gets using savagely clever jibes at the enemy. The smart one’s know she is using their own play book “Rules for Radicals” against them which makes her hits double score. It is hard to deny that she is clearly smart and funny and a woman which hits the lib progressives where they live because in their version of reality all the smart people, funny people and woman like people are automatically on their side. Except Ann which then creates a little cognitive dissonance in their smug lemming minds.

  • BonV.Vant

    a bunch of drunks and dry drunks

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      Or worse:

      ***

      www washingtontimes com/news/2014/mar/8/rand-paul-wins-2014-cpac-straw-poll-ted-cruz-finis/

      Sen. Rand Paul demolished his competition in the 2014 Washington Times/CPAC presidential preference straw poll on Saturday, winning 31 percent of the vote — nearly three times the total of second-place Sen. Ted Cruz.

      The poll also found a strong plurality of attendees at the Conservative Political Action Conference believe marijuana should be fully legalized, with 41 percent saying it’s time to change the law and tax it. Another 21 percent said it should be legalized only for medicinal purposes, while just 31 percent said it should remain illegal in all cases.

      ***

      Next year’s RPAC will have a bong kiosk.

      • BonV.Vant

        a pathetic bunch that thinks they can bring back and relive the 80s, the decade where they destroyed their brains through overindulgence in pleasures and profits. Truly a degenerate lot that cares nothing about what made the 80s possible—-A MAJORITY WHITE AMERICA!!!! They want to kill the goose that lays the golden eggs.

      • Jesse James

        One thing that should be abundantly clear is that any gathering who would give Paul a 31% chunk of the vote can’t really be conservative. There is nothing conservative about wanting to throw open the borders to unlimited third world immigration or pretending that America will be America when it is no longer majority white. Someone pegged it earlier in this thread, the Republicans are at best conservative socialist. There is no conservative political party in America.

  • Nathanwartooth

    Nice article and I think everyone from the entire political spectrum should read this.

    When you are debating what form of government there should be, you cannot talk about the government like it is in a vacuum. You can’t just say “socialism is the best” without the proper context. Socialism might do well in a high IQ society with a lot of “makers” and not a lot of “takers”. But add in low IQ elements that can’t produce enough work and you have a serious problem.

    • JohnEngelman

      Social democracy has only worked in countries where nearly everyone is white, and of European descent. Third world peoples game the system.

      When the war on poverty made welfare benefits more generous and easier to qualify for hundreds of thousands of blacks quit low wage jobs and went on welfare. Low income whites and Orientals are less likely to behave that way.

      • Andy

        What’s your take on social democracy in the Orient? They don’t have a lot of welfare-takers, but their experiences with socialism don’t seem to have worked well. Is it just because of the small number of countries there to try it out?

      • Bossman

        So what kind of political system would you like to see in the USA? American democracy is an experiment, multiracial democracy is an even bigger experiment.

    • Nancy Thomas

      I disagree. I don’t think socialism as an economic model can ever work under any circumstances, because it blunts motivation.

      • Jesse James

        and it actively punishes productivity. Socialism usually ends up with people pretending to work as all reward for actually working ends up being distributed to people who do nothing – all in the name of utopian equality.

      • Nathanwartooth

        I never said it would, I’m just saying that politics isn’t race neutral.

        You also have to look at what is going to happen in the future. If robots and AI take over the majority of jobs, we are going to have a serious problem that is going to require a serious overhaul of political systems in the west.

        Motivation doesn’t really mean anything if you can’t find any decent jobs.

  • dd121

    Sureeeee Mexicans are going to vote en masse for Republicans. Just like Negroes are starting to vote for Republicans. (98% voted for Obama.) Taylor is so right, if we don’t keep our white nation, we have nothing. Now or in the future.

    • Bossman

      There is an easy way to keep the USA white. Just reform the immigration policy to make it easier for Europeans to immigrate to the USA.

      • Sick of it

        And then most of those Europeans would vote to change the immigration policy back. Let us not forget the mindset…blood does not determine the entirety of one’s views.

        • Nancy Thomas

          Uh…no…Americans NEVER wanted this massive third world immigration and it was forced on us by a hostile elite.

          • Sick of it

            So French folks who are okay with third world immigrants can move here en masse? Spaniards? Italians? Liberal Greeks? Freaky Communist types from Scandinavia? Our people left the Old World for good reason. And btw, European immigration would include a large number of Eskimos. Just like before.

            We need emigration, not immigration.

      • silviosilver

        That isn’t any solution. Europe is fast running out of Europeans. The numbers that might emigrate to America would be a drop in the ocean given the size of America’s population. There is no “easy” way to keep America white.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          We could start by taking the 3 million Afrikaners out of their hell-hole in South Africa.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    Jared Taylor wrote:

    The left could get a lot of mileage out of rubbing Republican noses in the difference between Haiti and Denmark

    I respond:

    But they won’t, because the typical too leftist is too scared of his or her own racial shadow, and too scared of the average white person noticing race, even if the typical Republican is as much of a racial coward as the Democrat that could make this rejoinder. And don’t forget, many Democrats think that Republicans are so “racist” that they would make “the obvious reply.”

    As far as Ann Coulter, Drudge linked to something that has her saying this:

    “I mean my whole life I’ve heard Republicans hate black people, I’ve never seen any evidence of it until I read Marco Rubio’s amnesty bill. We are the party that has always stood up for African-Americans. Who gets hurt the most by amnesty, by continuing these immigration policies it is low-wage workers, it is hispanics, it is blacks.

    That is an extraordinarily stupid way of saying something smart. If blacks cared so much about immigration and job competition from Hispanics, they’d be backing it up with votes. yet almost 100% of their votes in 100% of elections go to politicians that push for open borders. Whatever “anti-immigration” sentiment exists among blacks, it’s useless to us and useless period.

    • Garrett Brown

      Ann Coulter loves her blacks.

      • LACountyRedneck

        It’s kinda like picking a spouse. You’ll likely never get exactly what you want, but you try to get as close as possible. As far as the MSM goes, we have Coulter and Buchannan. If it wasn’t for them we’d have nothing.

        • Garrett Brown

          I don’t have anything to do with the mudshark Coulter and you shouldn’t either. She dates blacks therefore she is a traitor.

        • Sick of it

          Buchanan is with us. Who has ever questioned that?

    • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

      I see you understand how the shell game works. They say something that is obvious to anyone that takes even a brief moment to look at things matter-of-factly. But they can’t say it without having to weave in an angle about some poor oppressed minority group. You choose the obvious, but it turns out it wasn’t really what you had hoped it to be. It was never really about White people to begin with. They’ll say that the political climate is just not conducive to a racial type of platform. And that’s the game—to keep you playing their game. It never gets to be about just White people. You were just supposed to play the game, not get what you thought you were going to get.

      In the end, you’re just glad you got to participate, because you believed you might get to actually change something. Some never even realize that in order to play the game, you had to pretty much give up any hope of getting what you truly wanted in the first place. You see, it’s not about helping White people. It’s about helping those oppressed blacks and hispanics who suffer from the evil liberals and Democrats. Ann Coulter spells it out right there.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        No, actually she’s trying to drive a wedge between the two.
        You know, how the Left does it?
        Our enemy is the Left. If you guys remain specialists you will perish.

        • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

          There is no Right or Left in the birthing of racial politics. Where does the Left end and the Right begin? If it’s really all just a matter of someone believing in some form of racial nationalism, then that would have to be a point that lies neither Left nor Right on the current political landscape. Racial Nationalism should be a singularity at this point. But you sound like you are trying to attach a rigid set of principles outside of that singularity. What’s the point of that?

          I understand exactly what you think she’s doing, or what she may even think she’s doing. But that doesn’t make it a reasonable or rational approach. Proselytizing about saving the poor, oppressed blacks and other non-Whites, because you believe they might vote for you by the millions. Well, don’t be surprised when that’s all you end up with. That’s what you asked for.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            You have two choices: a bad one and extinction.

            Red lollipop, Blue lollipop.

            The Left are anti-white male sociopaths. You can’t shame them or reason with them. Save your altruism for when we get our country back. There will be a time to be an altruistic specialist. That time is not now.

          • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

            Where do you see two choices, where one represents racial nationalism? The Right is just as suicidal as the Left.

            What your choices really are: Boil or Bake

            I choose no lollipop.

            I am a liberal. My personal views and opinions put me in the Left camp just as much as the camp on the Right. My views on race put me at odds with both. So that’s not really a choice, it’s an illusion of choice. I’ll find a different path. Enjoy the bake or boil.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Here is the shaky scenario I see, just before the cliff. The way you stop these terrorists in the last two lame duck years (the most destructive ones) is to retake the Senate. This may be why they are ratcheting down the rhetoric before the mid-terms. It’s a strategy to retake the Senate. That’s a big deal. That will de-fang O’Bummer for the rest of the presidency.

            And that will help pave the way to get a Repug president. As moderate as Romney was, he was in favor of reversing CRA 1964. The Repugs are clearly more pro-white and anti-amnesty. All the Demo-rats are pro-amnesty.

            In 2016 we’ll have our toes curled over the cliff like we’re on the end of diving board. if that goes ‘D’. ‘D’ will stand for Dive or Done.

          • SoulInvictus

            “That will make impeachment technically possible.”

            Will never, ever happen. They will carp about Obama all day long on Fox News to their choir, but Republicans will never impeach the first black President. He would have to draw and quarter children on the White House lawn before they’d work up the guts for that.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I said, “technically” because I believe impeachment has to originate from the Senate? Don’t quote me on that. There is no real or “technical” threat under these present conditions.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            And Thatcher was in a way quoting native St. Louisan who expatriated himself to England, T.S. Eliot.

          • RisingReich

            If you think the first black president has any chance at all of impeachment I have a bridge to sell you…

          • AndrewInterrupted

            An impeachment ‘proceeding’ would slow things down. They whole idea is to buy for time until 2016. If there are enough obstacles thrown in his path, that might minimize some of the lame-duck damage. I don’t suggest that I proposed this choice in lieu of a better one. If you can convince Vladimir to do some above-ground testing in the DC area, all the more power to you….<;-D

          • Nancy Thomas

            Good analysis. Boehner might cave after the primaries. The GOP leadership wants amnesty and I’m certain that they’ve been given big money to push it. I hope you’re right that our grassroots efforts can stop it as it has in the past.

      • SoulInvictus

        “weave in an angle about some poor oppressed minority group.”
        To make it palatable to the masses, it has to be phrased a certain way. And nothing other than the reality of economics really needs to be considered to understand the stupidity of limitless importation of refugees. Cultural impact aside, it’s horrible for poor & middle class social mobility.

        This is something I’ve thought a lot about. Blacks are a telltale canary in the coal mine for just how bad our economy really is. Regardless of whether the root cause is self-inflicted, genetic, cultural, or historical, they have proven to be the most vulnerable demographic. Now that millions of whites are also on government assistance, bankrupt, and un/underemployed, the cancer is in the bones. Look for crime rates, unwed pregnancy, education/IQ levels, etc to begin levelling between the two groups (they already are on some issues). All this is going to lead to an eat the rich mindset, which unfortunately, puts whites in the crosshairs. Because that polar bear outfit you wake up in everyday, says rich to every brown face even if you’re not…

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I’ve seen Black versus Hispanic, etc. political battles inside a federal contractor. Blacks don’t always win that contest now. Maybe that’s why O’Bummer’s approval numbers have never been lower? Maybe the educated and semi-educated ones see the threat?

      At federal agencies and contractors it is understood that the hetero, white male is to be sacrificed. It then comes down to how many Diversity Darlings it will take to replace him. And that means as many as necessary, since tax dollars are mostly white people’s money anyway. It’s a win/win for the anti-American set.

      But, increasingly Black folks would lose those PC battles. That was a new sensation for them; another group is as entitled as they are. It had a-deer-in-the-headlights effect.

      “….There’s a new victim in town….Ruh Roh…”
      .

      • SoulInvictus

        Then throw gays in the mix. Wait until they start getting preferential status for small business grants, government contracts, etc. Libs have already demonstrated gay trumps color for them…
        What a freak show… I wonder at what point will the Dems become such a circus that the half normal people look around with that, dear god what am I surrounded by, expression and flip the other way or splinter.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          In the spirit of turning lemons into lemonade, my 10 year nightmare in the midst of that lunacy is making for a great book. I just have to hunker down and get it done before the 2016 election.

          • KevinPhillipsBong

            Yes there’s always the threat that reality will render fiction blasé. Huxley’s Brave New World seems much more tame to me now than it did when I first read it 25 years ago.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Closer to Animal Farm.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Yes, I’ve worked several Orwell analogies in.
            Ayn Rand also had a pretty accurate crystal ball.

          • SoulInvictus

            I liked This Perfect Day. Way better than 1984 or Brave New World to me.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Blacks are just so dumb! Brown gangs have done an ethnic cleansing of blacks running them out of South Central, yet blacks STILL side with mexicans against whitey. This is surely the sign of low IQ.

        • silviosilver

          It’s more that blacks are “victims” of lefist propaganda that teaches them hating whites is the royal road to riches. I’m sure a large number of blacks will hate whites no matter what, but leftist propaganda certainly maximizes the number of blacks who hate whites as well as the intensity with which they hate.

    • Nancy Thomas

      Blacks march for amnesty because even though the mexicans hate blacks…the blacks hate whitey first and foremost and will forgive any sin in the name of harming white people.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    Burke’s attempt to harmonize conservation with evolutionary progress is always noteworthy. This is summarized by the maxim: A state without the means of change is without the means of its conservation. Many customs and institutions exist because they maximize human flourishing, even though we may not understand how they benefit us. Because revolutionary change almost always leads to social disorder and chaos, change must proceed gradually, by way of trial and error. There is no place here for abstract theories and grand utopian projects, given the complexity of human nature. Change is only justified when it can be shown to build on and preserve traditional customs and institutions.

  • Garrett Brown

    “CPAC, or the Conservative Political Action Committee, should change its name to RPAC, with “R” for Republican.”

    Better yet, just save some time (and not waste ours) and accept what will happen in the next fifty years. Just change the C to a P and admit to everyone you are sellouts and are becoming PROGRESSIVES at an alarming rate.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    In an earlier post on another thread today about RPAC, I made the offhand remark that RPAC was peddling “trivial issues and pie in the sky fantasies.” Let me elaborate on that last part for a moment.

    Ted Cruz got a thunderous applause when he said we should eliminate the IRS. And of course I agree with that, I want the IRS gone as much as anyone reading these words or anyone period. But we realists also know that the only way the IRS will be eliminated is when the Federal Reserve is eliminated, and at that rate, the only way both will be eliminated is when the Federal government in general falls apart, and that will take outside inevitable events and circumstances; it’s not something we’ll be able to vote our way to.

    Promising to end the IRS or saying that we should is just the latest in a long string of pie in the sky fantasies that Republican politicians promise us, but none of them never come to pass because they never had a real chance to happen, and we’re supposed to forget they ever made those promises, or if we do remember and call them out, they’ll point the finger at some Democrat(s). Mainly they make these pie in the sky promises as way to get into my wallet and your purse and drive turnout.

    When in reality, immigration is a highly winnable and highly important issue that’s dancing in front of everyone’s noses and hiding in plain sight while doing so, an issue which has deep roots in the conscience of the body politic. I saw today in the WaPo a shockingly non-loaded poll on immigration, which showed that in a universe of people polled where 59% of them want universal gay “marriage,” (i.e. it’s a left-biased polling sample), they also show to be less likely than more likely to vote for a political candidate who presents as advocating the various forms of immigration liberalization. So if the social liberals aren’t hot for open borders, imagine how cold the conservatives and Republicans in this poll were for it.

    When RPAC decides to get out of fantasy land and join the real world, I’ll be waiting.

    • Puggg

      How can someone who wants more immigration, more welfare dependent kinds of immigrants, say with a straight face that they want to eliminate the collection agency for the new immigrants (and the old immigrants and the existing minorities) welfare sugar daddy?

    • WR_the_realist

      I’d love to get rid of the income tax. But to do that you’d have to do all of the following things:

      1. Stop playing world cop and drastically shrink the military to what we need to defend our own country.

      2. Get rid of the latest government behemoth, the DHS. (But keep ICE, the one part of the DHS that currently isn’t permitted to do its job.)

      3. Eliminate Medicaid part D, which was passed into law by Bush Republicans. It is funded entirely by issuing more debt.

      4. Get rid of the Department of Education.

      5. Get rid of the Department of Health and Human Services.

      6. Shrink other departments. E.g., get rid of the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice.

      6. Increase import tariffs (the main revenue source left if you eliminate income taxes.)

      Needless to say, Ted Cruz would do none of these things.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        To be fair, Cruz didn’t say he wanted to get rid of the income tax. He just said he wanted to get rid of the IRS.

        Like, okay. That’s never happening either.

        Reality time: As long as human beings have governments, they’ll need taxation to survive. And as long as there’s taxation, there will always be tax collectors. Who since the days of ancient Egypt have never been popular, and have been the object of public scorn and ridicule and contempt. The doberman pincher dog breed was developed to protect German tax collectors.

        If you eliminate the IRS, you’ve essentially repealed all Federal tax laws, not just income tax law. No matter what kind of tax you have, an income tax, an earnings tax, a sales tax, direct capitation, VATs, or whatever, you’ll need someone to collect it and to enforce it and to make recalcitrant people and institutions pay up.

        Just like if you’ve eliminated the mechanisms and the procedures of the criminal justice system, you’ve also essentially repealed all criminal law.

        I’ll be happy with real civil rights provisions applied to tax collection agents and agencies, and with them not behaving capriciously or out of bounds, and also with clearly and never vaguely written tax laws. But let’s stop with the pie in the sky nonsense that we’ll ever not have tax collectors. You might as well promise paying off the national debt with the proceeds from the pot of gold at the end of the rainbow while you’re at it.

      • Sick of it

        We don’t need ICE. We have police and the military (as well as plenty of potential civilian volunteers). One could say that organizations like ICE were created for the sole purpose of ensuring that immigration was NOT brought under control whereas local forces (police/national guard/volunteers) would work hard to ensure enforcement.

    • Sick of it

      I’ll never forget the poll, not limited to conservatives, which showed 80% in favor of sealing the border with Mexico. That actually surprised me. But people say one thing in public and another in private. That’s how it was in the Soviet Union.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Yes, and the majority also favors E-verify to make them go home.

        • Sick of it

          E-Verify won’t work. Armed men escorting them out will.

          • Jesse James

            I think E-verify does work if you combine it with a shut off of any and all welfare and government services to illegals and their families, contingent of course with us getting rid of birth citizenship rights to children born of illegal parents. Add to this an aggressive criminal enforcement aimed not at illegals but at American individuals and corporations that knowingly employee illegals. Put a few CEOs, CFOs and Human Resource Directors in jail and jobs for illegals will dry up pretty quick. Without access to the social safety net of government welfare programs the great majority of these people will have no choice but to self deport. There would be no need to ever round up millions of poor brown people at bayonet point. That leaves only those making money from criminal enterprises – mostly drugs and prostitution. The people smugglers will go away because the immigrants who are just looking for work will quit coming because their won’t be any. Home Depot will have to get rid of their coolie worker rest areas or risk prosecution for facilitating illegal employment. Once the brown sea that the criminal gangs rely on to protect them from detection and apprehension recedes the remaining gang members can easily be detected, arrested and imprisoned or deported. (of better yet imprisoned and then deported).

  • dave

    They pull out the same relics and Kerik,who can pander too the felons.

  • Spartacus

    And while these idiots continue their hypocritical and cowardly “debates”, White children keep getting slaughtered by the dark-skinned animals…

    • Spartacus

      For the record, I’d like to point out that my post was modded . I never use the term “people” when referring to dark-skins .

    • Laura Dilworth

      Ann Coulter said it, pass amnesty and it’s over

  • http://www.thepoliticalcesspool.org/ 1776is1984

    the Drudge poll is all you need to know, likes of Rand amnesty Paul, Ricky Santorum, and Paul Ryan. Lord help us.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      Drudge Polls — Take them with a grain of salt. Any resemblance between them and political reality is purely coincidental. Take CPAC straw polls with that same single grain of salt, for the same reason.

      The Republican nominee in 2016 will be one of three people: Chris Christie, Jeb Bush or Jeff Sessions. Sessions would be the only one who would be able to assemble the populist energy to out muscle the RINO establishment. But if he does not run or if he does and can’t outmuscle the RINOs, one of the two RINO favorites will win. All of the others don’t really have a chance.

      BTW I voted “Other” because Sessions was not available. But with 7%, “Other” beats all named candidates not Ted Cruz or Rand Paul.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Scott Brown is not polling well against Jean Shaheen in NH.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Sessions is the only one I’d vote for since he’s the only anti-amnesty one of the bunch. But you can bet he will NOT be allowed to participate because of his stance against amnesty. All of the others including Cruz are sellouts on immigration.

  • Magician

    Happy Women’s Day to all ladies of AmRen, the female family members of all AmRen members, and all racially conscious women around the world who truly respect and care about other women and men around them!

  • JohnEngelman

    The only “family value” I have detected among Hispanics is hostility for homosexuals. Hispanics have higher rates of illegitimacy and crime than whites. In the United States they are even less likely to go to church.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      They say “Hispanic family values,” what they really mean is that Hispanics are nominally Catholic. They say Hispanics are natural social conservatives, but the same “they” who say that are the same “they” who are telling us to ditch social conservatism. They say we need to do amnesty to appeal to Hispanic voters, but “they,” in terms of the no-talent RINOs telling us this, are trying to broker an amnesty bill which mysteriously doesn’t allow these natural conservatives and social conservatives with strong family values to vote.

      It’s like Frank Underwood says, the road to power is paved with hypocrisy and your choice of either asphalt or concrete.

      • Andy

        Most of sub-Saharan Africa is nominally Christian, but that doesn’t prevent it from being a place where most women and girls have been raped (think about that… half the population is underage but the *majority* of all females have still been raped), where practicing witchcraft is par for the course, and where the majority of countries have had some kind of large-scale mass killing over the last few decades.

        I recently read an article in a fairly-mainstream (it has yet to embrace homosexuality) Christian magazine. It was quite optimistic about Uganda’s future, but called faith “an inch deep and a mile wide”. Apparently it’s common to use Christianity as a sort of luck charm or public relations campaign there, naming your store “Praise the Lord Groceries” and such. Childlike faith is praised in the scriptures, but not childlike prudence, temperance, justice, or charity. We do not expect Christian children to govern themselves.

      • Nancy Thomas

        It’s nonsense, they will NEVER vote GOP.

    • jackryanvb

      Hispanic “family values” aspire to those of….

      The Gambino Crime Family.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Yeah, their popular singers regale drug lords and regard them as heroes.

    • WR_the_realist

      About 50% of Hispanic children are born out of wedlock. Yet Republicans say Hispanics have “family values” because they produce lots of those children.

      • jackryanvb

        Also dumb arse race denying Conservatives like George W. Bush repeat the lie that Mexican immigrants are just trying to work hard to,put food on their family tables.

        The truth is Mexicsn peasants are the most obese/fat humans on planet earth!

        They need to take food off their tables and lose some weight.

      • JohnEngelman

        Children raised to adulthood by their biological parents living together in matrimony tend to do much better in life than children raised in other situations. That is the central truth underlying social conservatism.

        Republican leaders like to imagine that the typical Hispanic male is a small businessman who takes his family to church every Sunday, and who wants his daughters to be virgins when they get married in that church.

        I cannot easily document this, but I suspect that a larger percentage of Hispanic males have illegitimate children they are doing nothing to support.

        • Puggg

          Republican leaders like to imagine that the typical Hispanic male is a small businessman who takes his family to church every Sunday, and who wants his daughters to be virgins when they get married in that church.

          I don’t think the typical RINO Republican leader actually thinks or believes that. I think it’s just a crock they repeat and their toteys repeat to con Christian conservatives into signing up for the open border agenda.

          • JohnEngelman

            What you say is certainly true for many Republican leaders. The main thing they want is more immigrants so they can cut wages for American citizens.

          • JohnEngelman

            I only disagree with you when you call open border Republicans “Republicans in Name Only (RINO).” The Republican Party has always been dominated by businessmen. The business community has always benefited from open borders. They opposed the Immigration Act of 1924, which restricted immigration. They supported the Immigration Act of 1965 which increased immigration.

        • Nancy Thomas

          As I said earlier, they are very much like the blacks. In fact, young brown people (and even those in their 30’s) imitate black culture, wear the same baggy clothes, listen to black hiphop, think it’s cool, while at the same time their gangs do hits on black people.

    • Sick of it

      Blacks and Hispanics have a LOT of homosexuals and bisexuals and even transsexuals in their communities.

      • Martel

        Black guys dressing like women are simply not noticed as easily.

    • Nancy Thomas

      MUCH higher crime and illegitimacy, rates closer to blacks than whites.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Then why are there so many churches renting their facilities to them? I know many Protestant churches who are catering to the Latinos both in Tennessee and California. I’m certain there are many churches in many other states who have outreach programs for them.

  • JohnEngelman

    At its best conservatism means pessimism about human nature and human potential, skepticism about the value of rapid social and economic changes in any direction, and the belief that there is often wisdom in tradition.

    For the leaders of the Republican Party conservatism means advancing the economic interests of rich people and corporations. These interests are advanced by importing cheap labor and exporting good jobs.

    • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

      I think you’re right that for the “leaders” of the Republican Party conservatism means advancing the interests of the influential rich and corporations. After all, why else would they be so damn strong on granting a nationwide amnesty to hordes of low-IQ Mexican, Hondurans, and Salvadorians?

      At the same time, however, the average white, conservative Republican sees it differently. They see conservatism in the context of limited government, low taxes, less government intervention, liberty and freedom, and the promotion of those values that have always been dear to patriotic and traditional Americans.

      Thus, there’s a disconnect between what the “leaders” of the GOP want and what the average conservative Republican wants. Their views are very much different. And this explains, in part, why its majority white base isn’t going along with the grand immigration scheme that’s being promoted by the “leaders.”

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        That’s true enough, but the base is going to have to start acting like amnesty and open borders is a fatal third rail. Otherwise, the base can yell and scream all it wants but it won’t amount to anything.

        • Nancy Thomas

          Uh…thank the media for this. Rand decided to sellout early after watching his dad get marginalized for his whole career. Rand is pretty much NWO and WANTS to be the POTUS at any cost. I won’t vote for him. I’ll stay home and let Hillary have it.

          • SoulInvictus

            It’s almost impossible to discern whether someone is being stealthy so as to not sabotage their potential for success, or just a sell out.
            That said, I’d still take anyone over the overtly pro-minority, anti-white, left embracing Dems.
            If the popular right could just move towards an anti-pollution, anti-immigration, and pro-labor position… then I could forgive a lot of the other garbage. It would at least be a start.

      • JohnEngelman

        the average white, conservative Republican sees it differently. They see conservatism in the context of limited government, low taxes, less government intervention, liberty and freedom, and the promotion of those values that have always been dear to patriotic and traditional Americans.

        – bluffcreek1967

        I do not see rank and file registered Republicans demanding cuts in domestic spending programs that benefit them. They overestimate the cost of programs they dislike, such as welfare, foreign aid, and earmarks. They also overestimate the amount of taxes they pay.

        • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

          True, the rank-and-file are generally inconsistent about domestic spending programs. Some of this is due, though, to people just not knowing how much is spent and how many wasteful government spending programs exist.

          “They also overestimate the amount of taxes they pay” – Sorry, John, I’m going to have to disagree with you on that one. Many Americans do, in fact, know how much they pay in taxes and they’re right to complain of it as being excessive. We are being taxed to death on so many levels and for so many things – most of which are unnecessary and wasteful.

          • JohnEngelman

            On March 16 the Tea Party crowd showed up for yet another demonstration on Capitol Hill in Washington. Curious about the factual knowledge these people have regarding the issues they are protesting, my friend David Frum enlisted some interns to interview as many Tea Partyers as possible on a couple of basic questions. They got 57 responses–a pretty good-sized sample from a crowd that numbered between 300 and 500 people…

            The first question that was asked concerned the size of government. Tea Partyers were asked how much the federal government gets in taxes as a percentage of the gross domestic product. According to Congressional Budget Office data, acceptable answers would be 6.4%, which is the percentage for federal income taxes; 12.7%, which would be for both income taxes and Social Security payroll taxes; or 14.8%, which would represent all federal taxes as a share of GDP in 2009…

            Tuesday’s Tea Party crowd, however, thought that federal taxes were almost three times as high as they actually are. The average response was 42% of GDP and the median 40%. The highest figure recorded in all of American history was half those figures: 20.9% at the peak of World War II in 1944…

            In short, no matter how one slices the data, the Tea Party crowd appears to believe that federal taxes are very considerably higher than they actually are, whether referring to total taxes as a share of GDP or in terms of the taxes paid by a typical family.

            – Bruce Bartlett
            http://www.forbes.com/2010/03/18/tea-party-ignorant-taxes-opinions-columnists-bruce-bartlett.html

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            To be fair, their answers were probably projecting their own personal tax situations and those of the people in their professional and/or friendship circles onto the whole country. Everyone does it, assume that everyone and every thing else is like them. It’s not the worst or most egregious sin in the world.

          • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

            Hmmm, something to think about. Regardless, if you think you’re taxes aren’t high enough or that you should pay more, I highly doubt we will come to much agreement. If you think the government should be taxing us at a higher rate than currently, then we will never agree.

            Whether the Tea Party people were wrong or not about the federal tax rate, the truth is that most Americans are paying too much in taxes, and the State and Federal deductions in our paychecks proves it. Our checks are getting smaller, and we’re seeing less of the money we work hard for. The government (State, Local and Federal) have their hand in our wallets far too much.

            If the Founders were to see how much we are routinely taxed and over-taxed, they would be appalled. They fought a revolution over something much less.

            I respect and honor those Tea Party folks. Granted, they may not be race-conscious as you and I, but they’ve managed to confront our government over its excessive spending, bloated government, and to have shaken up the Republican leadership – and believe me, they need a lot of shaking up!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Ann Coulter chimed-in on this topic recently. Her concern about Libertarians and the Tea Party is that they will unwittingly get a Democrat elected. If it comes down to a strong Tea Party candidate–fine. If it comes down to a Tea Bag and Repug fighting to a draw, then a Democrat slips by them–that’s a problem.

          • Nancy Thomas

            The Tea Party is great, and they are the only group that remotely speaks for me.

          • silviosilver

            That’s true, but restricting the survey question to federal revenue was bound to catch people out. Taxes across all levels of government – federal, state and local – amount to more than twice the federal revenue alone – roughly 33% on average since about 1960. This total is still substantially lower than what surveyed Tea Partiers believed, and is also substantially lower than total taxation in other western countries.

          • Grantland

            Tea-partiers are also generally in above-average tax brackets. The gross figures include all the bums and dead-beats that pay no tax.

    • WR_the_realist

      I agree with the “best” conservatism but I certainly don’t have much sympathy for the Republican’s brand of “conservatism”.

  • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

    Jared Taylor makes some very good points. Race and culture IS an issue and a major one at that! Conservative Republicans are missing it when they downplay the question of race, and until they get this message straight, we will see little change for good in our nation. Race can no longer be ignored.

    However, with all due respect to Mr. Taylor, I’d have to disagree with his comparison of the sort of ‘Conservatism’ one finds among those in Haiti, the Congo, and certain tribal areas of Pakistan and the ‘Conservatism’ that has marked the vast majority of traditional Americans since its founding. Is he really saying there’s little difference between the two?

    The Third-world nations Mr. Taylor cites as examples may have ‘limited governments,’ but they are also very corrupt governments too. They are ‘limited’ not by a Constitution as our Founders established, but because of their poverty and incompetence. They may have ‘low taxes,’ but that’s because the people have virtually no money. Their women may not engage in military combat (although many of them do), but that’s probably due to pragmatic reasons rather than ideological ones. Many of the African nations oppose homosexuality (and rightly so), but they also imprison, beat and hang them too. Americans, traditionally, have not treated homosexuals in this manner and the vast majority of the evangelical right is not seeking their death either. The people in these Third-world nations may be religious, but they are also deeply superstitious and enslaved to voodoo and the strangest of pagan rituals. They also burn witches. Is this really a fair comparison to the ‘Conservatism’ of American conservatives who happen to be religious?

    In other words, Taylor’s comparisons are superficial at best and fail to do justice to the very wide differences that exists between American ‘Conservatism’ and the type of ‘Conservatism’ we see among Third-world countries.

    While it’s true that most conservatives would prefer to live in places like Denmark, Norway and Sweden than Haiti or South Africa, these liberal countries are not faring as well as one would imagine with all their liberalism and immorality. The people, like most of Europe, are lost souls, living meaningless lives with not a clue about life’s true purpose. They may be intelligent, but they are moral pygmies. Is this what we seek to emulate and progress to? I hope not.

    A liberal nation that is dominated by high-IQ whites can do relatively well economically, no doubt. But it’s only a matter of time before the godlessness, pure secularism, nihilism, and moral debauchery catches up with them. And that’s exactly what we see occurring in countries like Norway. Liberalism leads to multiculturalism which, in turn, leads to anti-white political and social policies if they are taken seriously enough. Thus, liberalism is hardly a friend to whites.

    When John Adams wrote that America’s founding and Constitution was intended for a moral and religious people and that it will not work with any other kind (I’m paraphrasing), he was exactly right. It is this form of ‘Conservatism’ that American conservatives are trying to promote, and whatever similarities exist between it and the so-called ‘Conservatism’ found in Third-world nation is superficial and not quite the same.

    • jackryanvb

      Disagree. Strongly disagree.

      The anything goes, open borders immigration, all civilians regardless of race, creed, country of natural origins – this libertarian loon nonsense pushed by Ron and Rand Paul and their cult followers, yeah -Somalia, or Somalian areas of Minneapolis MN.

      We’re White people, we like order, rules, well mannered students who are not, I repeat not encouraged to dress, speak, talk and do whatever they want.

      • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

        Excuse me? What in the world are you talking about?

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          I don’t think there’s any real difference between you and Jared Taylor, and I don’t think there’s any real difference between you and Jack Ryan.

          Both of you above me in this thread, don’t trip all over yourselves when it comes to semantics.

        • jackryanvb

          Talking about Libertarianism.

          Wall Street Journal type Libertarians – the WSJ used to editorialize in the 1980s on July 4th on immigration:

          “There shall be open borders”….

          From Mexico, Central America, Haiti, Somalia, Pakistan, Algeria.

          You didn’t know?

          • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

            That’s fine, but I wasn’t referring to Libertarianism in my post.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            I think Jared Taylor knows what BluffCreek1967 said is true. But I think he was trying to be a little bit sarcastic. His point was that if RPACers truly want doctrinaire conservatism and doctrinaire right-libertarianism divorced from racial or ethnic or cultural moorings, then that has already presented in Congo, Somalia, Pakistan, et al.

            And I read some posts at BluffCreek1967’s blog, ambrosekane dot com, and those posts would never come from a WSJ open borders dork.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        The entered Charles Alan Murray into the debate.
        I will have to refresh on him.

    • IstvanIN

      Great post.

      Why would liberalism automatically mean multiculturalism? I consider myself fairly liberal and am well aware that you can not have a modern, liberal society and a third world population. I am a race-realist and a WN and a liberal, although I understand that I am a oddity in that regard. One would think that a liberal would want to preserve the people and culture that evolved away from the evils of the past. Not to mention the natural desire to protect one’s own people, which is essentially our extended family.

      As for being “godless”, even that confuses me. As a Christian who firmly believes that science and the Bible are gradually converging, I still don’t understand why an atheist would want his society and people destroyed. Actually, I would think that atheists, being more “rational” than us, or so they think, would be more likely to be race-realists than the religious. Very odd in my view.

      • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

        Liberalism leads to multiculturalism is clearly evident if one simply looks at what’s happening to those countries that embrace it. Everywhere liberalism takes deep root, within time so also does multiculturalism.

        You, as a liberal, may not accept multiculturalism and you clearly recognize its dangers. I commend you. But I would have to say that you – as you admitted – are an “oddity.” Most liberals (though not all) accept the concept of multicultural and multiracial societies as something that’s good for society.

        As for atheists, they are not as ‘rational’ as they claim. But I’ll save that discussion for another time.

        • IstvanIN

          That it does happen doesn’t explain why it happens. Why would traditionally liberal Scandinavian countries decide to suicide themselves out of existence by actively importing third world savages, even after it becomes more than evident that they are completely incompatible.? The complete lack of logic and self-preservation astounds me.

          • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

            There’s a variety of reasons. Most of the Scandinavian people are either uninformed or simply don’t understand the practical, economic and cultural implications of what’s occurring. Like most American and European citizens, they don’t know. They’re also not race conscious and everything they’ve been taught in their public schools has told them that any national unity or racial pride is socially heretical.

            Besides, most of this comes from their political leaders rather than something the people of Scandinavia had demanded. Like the Frog in the Kettle, the people don’t awaken to their danger until it’s much too late.

            Moreover, when people are generally content and comfortable in life (well fed too!), they tend not to complain. It’s only when their entire world turns upside down and they begin to feel the hunger pains that they become angry and start to open their eyes.

            The West is very much asleep still.

          • jackryanvb

            Sweden has the largest hard core street nationalist movement in Western Europe, just hasn’t translated in immigration restriction poltical success at the polls.

            Check out Swedish nationalist singer Saga.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Uh….it is NOT a coincidence that ALL of the western countries are being slammed with massive third world immigration at the same time! This was socially engineered.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            That is much of what Ann Coulter meant when she said: “…America didn’t vote to become Mexico…”. The impetus of the 3rd World invasion was not the citizenry. It was all top-down.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Barbara Lerner Spectre?

          • IstvanIN

            Why would we listen to her? Why? Are we that easily brainwashed?

          • Nancy Thomas

            Yes, apparently so. She tells the Swedish government how they can no longer be a white country and they MUST accept diversity! And they listen to her and accept the blacks that Israel kicks out! You can’t make up this stuff!

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Any relation to Lois Lerner, the IRS terrorist?

          • Nancy Thomas

            Barbara Lerner Spectre is one you need to know about. Go to YT and check it out. She’s a raging nutcase doing her job to destroy the west. She states blithely that Sweden isn’t going to be for white people because it’s going into “multicultural mode.” Her arrogance is simply astounding, that she feels that she has the right to tell the Swedes how to run their country! The clip is just a freak show and the evil that exudes from this woman is not something that you will ever forget once you’ve seen it.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Spartacus posted a video on that sneaky little worm awhile ago. What a little shrew she is. How can anyone buy her BS…??!!

          • Nancy Thomas

            Because…they have been brainwashed by a hostile elite into thinking that this same hostile elite is a light unto the nations and means all of humanity only the very best of things! It’s like getting dating advice from Charles Manson.

          • JohnEngelman

            White liberals everywhere in the world have become too civilized for their own good. They have difficulty understanding the mentalities of individuals and races who are less evolved than they are.

            Like most people of all persuasions they allow their likes and dislikes to influence their judgment of what is true and false. They choose to ignore the facts that the civil rights legislation and the war on poverty have not improved the behavior and performance of blacks.

        • Nancy Thomas

          The elite that runs the left is anti-white and every single issue without fail, every single tenet of the left, is a means to break down and ruin the white society.

        • LovelyNordicHeidi

          Speaking of liberal atheists……

          • Garrett Brown

            At least he recognizes racial differences.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            While he spreads liberalism far and wide. How’s that doing any good to our cause?

          • Garrett Brown

            He wants to preserve animals and nature. I’m down with that.

      • Sick of it

        Again, you find more race realists among God-fearing Christians. I live in that part of the country. Every atheist I have met in person supports 100% of the garbage taking place in this country today. I had an atheist philosophy professor, from a certain group, who extolled the virtues of underage pederasty IN CLASS…EVERY DAY! Sick SOB should be in prison.

        • IstvanIN

          A lot of Christians seem to believe in the “they are just like us, they need saving, there is just one race, the human race” and so on.

          • Sick of it

            As I often have to point out to people not of a Christian bent, real Christians believe in the Bible, not Communist propaganda. God himself named various nations…He would not have done that if He thought we were all 100% alike. God stated very clearly that He did not want ONE nation covering all the peoples of the Earth or all speaking one language. That dates back to Genesis.

            Should we share the Gospel even with the stranger? Yes. Should we try to stop them from learning the Gospel? No. Should we commit suicide and kill our own kin for their sake? Where in the hell is that in the Bible?

            It’s kind of like taking a boy-loving priest seriously as a Christian. Where in the hell is that acceptable according to the Word of God? We live in a world of rebels, but not the good kind. Not rebels like Christ, but rebels like Lucifer.

          • Max

            Thank you.

          • Sick of it

            I say nothing in this regard which was not said over 2,000 years ago. Give God the glory, brother. People speak of the weakness of our faith, yet apparently do not realize that the greatest God a warrior could ever have is Yahweh. The same is true of a man of peace.

          • Garrett Brown

            What are some good arguments using actual scripture that you would use to counter so called Christian’s argument that “god made us all equal”, in “his image” etc etc?

            I have always used the “do not lay with beasts of the field”, he obviously isn’t talking about animals. He’s talking about blacks.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Weren’t there slaves of all types in Biblical days?

          • Garrett Brown

            Yes, but that doesn’t counter the arguments I want addressed.

          • Sick of it

            Do we need specific scriptures? Some men are born to be kings, others paupers. Some are extremely intelligent, others mentally retarded. Some can sing like angels, others might actually kill someone if they tried to sing. That says it all right there. We are not made the same.

          • Garrett Brown

            To actually counter a persons argument who claims they are Christian that we are all equal, based on Christianity itself, yes. I would need actual scripture.

          • DieWulfe

            Equality means ‘impartiality’ in the Bible. God loves everyone equally. He is impartial; however, He does not approve of everyone’s behavior. They will be punished for that behavior as they are followers of Satan.

            Equality does not mean he created everyone with the same IQ, talents, and capabilities. Biblical figures are unequal in that respect. Anyone reading the Bible can see that.

            As with many words, equal has subtle different meanings depending on how it is used in a sentence. Typical of leftists, they chose the one that fits their agenda and twisted it, not what God meant.

          • DieWulfe

            Garrett Brown

            in the sense we need proof, Intelligence, talents, capabilities are not discussed in the Bible. Verses are rather generic in that God loves everyone…equally. He does not love one more than the other, just as a good parent does not love one child more than the others. Here are a few examples. They can be easily misused by the left and should not be interpreted without using unbiased Biblical scholars to explain exactly what God meant. You can find them on the internet but it takes searching.

            Nowhere in the following or the others not mentioned does God say anything about intelligence.

            Galatians 3:28 ESV /
            There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus.

            Romans 2:11 ESV /
            For God shows no partiality.

            John 13:16 ESV /
            Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him.
            (John 13 can easily be misused by the left. God means he loves the servant as much as his master.)

            Genesis 1:27 ESV /
            So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them.

          • DieWulfe

            Frequently telling Christians that Biblical figures are not equal in intelligence, etc., explanation of God’s equality, and nowhere does God say all are the same in that respect, elicits an “Oh, I didn’t think of that” surprise look on their faces. Obviously, the truth is not being taught in churches.

            See my two previous responses.

          • Garrett Brown

            No scriptures still… I’m trying to give Christianity a chance, but it seems the religion actually is based on equality. Prove me wrong if you can. If not, I will have to just use science when talking to Christians.

          • DieWulfe

            My additional responses with scriptures are not showing up. Disqus problems?

            Will repost later when I have time.

          • Garrett Brown

            Yes, please do. Thank you.

          • DieWulfe

            EQUAL – EQUALITY – IMPARTIALITY

            Acts 10:34 So Peter opened his mouth and said: “Truly I understand that God shows no partiality,

            Galatians 3:28 – There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female

            John 13:16 – Truly, truly, I say to you, a servant is not greater than his master, nor is a messenger greater than the one who sent him or ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

            John 13:16 is a good one for leftists to use and twist to advance their own agenda. In other words, they might say, “See, the
            servant is as intelligent as his master.” If that were true, the servant wouldn’t be a servant. I’m sure they would answer that with, the servant was being held down by ‘White’ masters. Ha!
            Generally, people want jobs that challenge their intelligence or at least equal it. If not, they go searching for one that fits
            their intelligence. Intelligent folks who must take jobs requiring lower intelligence are inadequate education, unavailability,
            age or other prejudices as we see with Affirmative Action today. John 13 does mean God loves servants as much as masters and his treatment towards both is impartial, unless sinning is
            involved, but that would be on an individual, not group basis. However, I believe, if many in one group go astray, the entire group might be punished. As I believe all Christians are being punished for those not following God’s teachings. So will blacks and Jews for their evil ways.

            In none of the many passages referring to equality does it say anything about intelligence, talents and capabilities. Far from it. See ‘Intelligence’ below.

            The word ‘impartial’ is used in the Bible, not ‘equal or equality.’ God loves everyone equally, impartially. But, impartiality does not mean he approves of everyone’s behavior. Compare it to parents loving all their children equally or impartially even though one may be in trouble with the law or less intelligent than the others. But, a good parent and the law will punish the one legally in trouble, just as God will punish sinners (followers of Satan). Certainly, God does not approve of typical black and Jewish behavior we see today. They will be punished sometime.

            Anyone reading the Bible knows God becomes very angry and has destroyed enemies in the past. He knows who will become his followers and who will not. Those who do not are doing
            Satan’s work. To put it mildly, God does not like Satan. Christians know Satan is vile, the most despicable anywhere. He
            does rule the earth and the reason we see so much turmoil. Why does God allow Satan to do this? Most likely, to teach us lessons. Some Christians believe God is permitting Satan to destroy our country because Christianity is on the wane and they, with their evil, sinful ways, are permitting Satan to change it to non-Christian. God says he will help Christians destroy their enemies, but need to ask for it. He says they can do nothing of this magnitude without his assistance.

            It’s typical of leftists to use the word ‘equal’ in place of ‘impartial’ and out of context. Nowhere in the Bible does God say everyone is equal in intelligence, talents, and capabilities. Biblical figures in the Bible are not equal in that respect. It’s clearly observable
            when reading it.

            DIFFERENCES IN INTELLIGENCE.

            Most Biblical references concern ‘wisdom,’ the “ability to judge correctly and to follow the best course of action, based on knowledge and understanding.” Using wisdom to follow God’s teachings. Interpret the Bible using wisdom. Wisdom in everyday life. I’d add logic and common sense.

            The Bible says nothing about any one group being more intelligent than others; however, differences in intelligence can be clearly observed in the Bible.

            What ancient civilizations contributed more to world? How about Greeks and Romans? Medical diagnoses, the crane, levers, concrete, aqueducts, bound books, Roman law, battlefield surgery, light travels in straight lines, or rays, central heating, Julian calendar. The list goes on. Who can claim they were not very intelligent compared to others.

            We have to use logic and common sense, not
            looking at the Bible for proof that some peoples are more intelligent than others. History is proof. The Bible is all about morals and treating others with decency, not physical differences between people. But, God surely had a hand in differing
            intelligences. Whether he planted the seed or planned its development, it’s there for everyone to see.

            Here are a few Biblical references that to me state some are more intelligent than others.

            Acts 13:7 “He was with the proconsul, Sergius Paulus, a man of intelligence, who summoned Barnabas and Saul and sought to hear the word of God.”

            Pointing out Paulus’ intelligence clearly demonstrates not everyone during those times had the same intelligence.

            Job 12:3 “But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you. Who does not know such things as these?

            He is equally intelligent as the person to whom he speaks.

            “A capable, intelligent, and virtuous woman—who is he who can find her? She is far more precious than jewels and her value is far above rubies or pearls.”
            Proverbs 13:10:31

            Proverbs 31:29 “Many daughters have done… nobly and well…
            but you excel them all.” What a glowing description here recorded of this woman in private life, this “capable, intelligent, and virtuous woman”

            Proverbs 18:15 – “Intelligent
            people are always open to new ideas. In fact, they look for them.”

            Daniel 1:17 “As for these four children, God gave them
            knowledge and skill in all learning and wisdom: and Daniel had understanding in all visions and dreams.”

            Here it says God GAVE them knowledge and skill in all
            learning and wisdom. The four children were more intelligent than others.

            Hope this helps. Copied this in case of Disqus or moderator intervention.

          • Garrett Brown

            Thank you so much for this. I have copied it into my phone and will be studying it. I appreciate the time good sir!

          • DieWulfe

            Here are a few more referring to intelligence.

            Deuteronomy 1:13: Choose wise, intelligent and experienced men from each of your tribes, that I may appoint them as your leaders.

            Deuteronomy 4:6: This great nation is truly a wise and intelligent people.

            Proverbs 1:5: A wise man by hearing them will advance in learning, an intelligent man will gain sound guidance.

            Proverbs 10:13: On the lips of the intelligent is found wisdom.

            Proverbs 11:12: He who reviles his neighbor has no sense, but the intelligent man keeps silent.

            Proverbs 14:33: In the heart of the intelligent wisdom abides, but in the bosom of fools it is unknown.

            Proverbs 15:14: The mind of the intelligent man seeks knowledge, but the mouth of fools feeds on folly.

            Proverbs 18:15: The mind of the intelligent gains knowledge, and the ear of the wise seeks knowledge.

          • DieWulfe

            Well, I added my response about two hours ago. Not here.
            Will keep trying.

          • DieWulfe

            Do not have sexual relations with animals.

            The beast is mentioned over 100 times in the bible referring to things other than having sex with animals. One is a “World Empire.”

          • Max

            I too, believe that these people need redemption but I do not believe that they need importation to the US or anywhere else. This is not, as some here may accuse, some tenet or imperative of Christianity.

            Those professing Christianity who believe so may be sincere in their faith but they are incompetent in matters of economics, genetics, and human behavior, thus unbalanced in their judgment of accomplishing the end goals of evangelism. -Or they ar charlatans posing as Christians to accomplish some cryptic end.

            It is preferable that they all develop just and civil societies which can accommodate their own particular needs. I am not willing to import everyone on the planet here to do the experiment to see if it is possible.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      +1. Resorting to left wing talking points about the supposed conservative or libertarian nature of third world states was rather beneath JT.

      • silviosilver

        Taylor’s point was that an absence of government, low taxes, religiosity and socially ultraconservative values do not of themselves necessarily amount to much, and that “socialistic” policies do not of themselves necessarily create hellholes. If you’re serious about getting race on the table as an issue worthy of political consideration you will pull out all the stops; you won’t bulk at criticizing mainstream conservative claptrap just because that might empower liberals; and you will welcome “liberals” who see the light on racial issues because race is a more important issue than taxation or tolerance of homosexuality or “green” energy.

  • JohnEngelman

    Immigration means more consumers and more job applicants. By the law of supply and demand this means higher prices, lower wages, and higher profits. The high rate of immigration is one of the main reasons for the growing income gap liberals complain about, while promoting.

    The fact that a high rate of immigration raises profits is the reason pro business Republicans advocate it while making claims about Hispanic Republican voters I doubt they really believe.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      Mass 3rd world immigration is all about money and power. It’s also about flipping the bird to the middle and working classes. Our democratically elected officials can’t rule forever, so they’ll take what they can in the short-term. Multiculturalism, “proposition nations”, neoliberal globalization etc. are all just shallow ideological rationalizations of their greed for money and lust for power.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Most specifically it is THE means to disempower forever white Christians of European descent.

        • Max

          Yes, and it was the combination of the influence of Christianity on Anglo/Euro genetics which built the civilization(s) to which every other culture and race now want to escape and in so doing, destroy. Rather than emulate ours or more likely incapable of doing so, they overrun us with help of agents from the inside. It is a tragic loss to humanity.

  • WR_the_realist

    Jared Taylor hits the nail on the head. San Francisco has far left politics that would drive me nuts, but I have to admit that it’s a beautiful, liveable city that I don’t live in primarily because I can’t afford it. The non-white population of San Francisco is mostly Asian. There is little evidence that a good civilization can be maintained by the races in the bottom half of the IQ spectrum.

  • Evette Coutier

    Unfortunately, it is time for a nationalist movement to restore America. Heaven help us all.

  • jackryanvb

    The Atlantic Magazine has some pertinent observations about CPAC – where Amren’s White Traitor of the Year winner/loser Rand Paul was a big hit.

    Molly Ball writes:

    “Updated, 6:24 p.m.

    NATIONAL HARBOR, Md.—From the moment Rand Paul took the stage at this year’s Conservative Political Action Conference, the senator from Kentucky had the crowd in the palm of his hand.

    “Imagine a time when liberty is again spread from coast to coast,” Paul began. “Imagine a time when our great country is again governed by the Constitution. Imagine a time when the White House is once again occupied by a friend of liberty.”

    Jack Ryan sadly notes – sounds llike the same MJ high “Imagined” vision of John Lenon under the influence of Yoko Ono:

    “Imagine there’s no countries
    It isn’t hard to do
    Nothing to kill or die for
    And no religion, too”

    Amy Biehl and Rachel Corrie had some similar imaginary vision of race denying world harmony, shortly before they were brutally killed.

    Sorry folks, the real world in the 21st century belongs to real White men like Vladimir Putin, not clueless, race denying idiots like Rand Paul that want us to “imagine” We need to send Rand Paul to the exact spot where Black ANC youth murdered Amy Beihl, give Rand Paul a copy of the US Constitution and some Austrian free market economics books by Hayek. Oh, the murderous Black ANC youths aren’t interested in reading Austrian free market economics books, not able or interested in reading at all. Are they stupid. No we are stupid.

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      And Molly Ball is an ultra extreme left wing kook, they must have hired her straight from either the insane asylum or the old Soviet Union. Yet she’s now writing semi-nice words about Rand Paul? That should tell you a lot.

      If I was a politician, and Molly Ball didn’t heap constant non-stop daily helpings of hate and vitriol against me, I’d wonder what’s wrong with me.

      But don’t bother sending Rand Paul to South Africa thinking that it’ll actually teach anyone a lesson. Say he does go and some blacks murder him in the same spot where Amy Biehl was murdered. His father would issue a press release blaming the tragic murder of his son on the lack of libertarianism in South Africa.

      • jackryanvb

        QD writes:

        “Yet she’s now writing semi-nice words about Rand Paul? That should tell you a lot.”

        JR responds :

        This Jack Kemp, Paul Ryan, now Rand Paul Libertarianism is the only form of “Conservative” American politics allowed by the gate keeper, PC thought police like Molly Ball.

        So Rand Paul’s anti White treason that earned him Amren’s White traitor of the year for 2013 earned him a few nice words from Molly Ball and the Atlantic Magazine. Rand Paul will get invited to the debates, talked about as a young, rising Conservative start spreading a message of hope and inclusion, opposing RACISM…..

        Human sacrifice to brutal Black ANC Voodoo “youths” , a great solution. Yeah sure Ron Paul will send the South African Blacks free market messages of support

  • WR_the_realist

    The neocons would use such an attack as an excuse to start wars against countries that had nothing to do with the terrorists. They would still not close the borders. If 911 couldn’t get the neocons to close the borders nothing will.

    • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

      Yeah, the neocons didn’t exactly close the borders after 9/11. Here in LA, that’s around the time when the illegal torrent became a flood.

    • Nancy Thomas

      Borders in their country, but no borders for ours.

  • http://politenewyorker.blogspot.com/ Polite New Yorker

    Republicans voting for amnesty might be the breaking point we need to organize a new political party that really addresses the needs of a majority of Americans. The current two party system is such a whorish mishmash of corporate wish list items, it fools fewer and fewer voters each year. Absent any real political movement, and organizing a political party may not happen given how the system is fueled only by corporate money, more and more people will start organizing for their needs outside of government structures.

  • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

    If someone like Rand Paul is the best that the Republican Party can muster, then does it really make any difference which Party gets their minion into office?

  • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

    Yes, but the problem with liberals and liberalism is that if they gained prominent positions of leadership and influence within any government – even if it were a ‘conservative’ government or white nationalist government – we would likely find ourselves fighting the same political and social battles all over again.

    This is the danger of liberals and liberalism: They always resort to their true do-gooder, bleeding heart nature with a grand scheme to cure the world’s problems. Usually, it’s only a matter of time before they convince (delude!) some poor souls to join them and, before long, we’re stuck fighting a revolutionary ‘movement’ for ‘justice and equality.’ Sound familiar?

    • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

      Also, that Melinda Jelliby article was 14 years ago. I’d like to have seen more articles by her at some point in the last decade and a half. Otherwise, I am left to believe that she is a severe outlier among liberals.

      And there’s the other issue: Sure, Melinda Jelliby wrote a very good article in AR’s paper edition. And Mickey Kaus, something of a liberal, is writing good immigration commentary and blow by blow analysis in the Daily Caller. There’s the catch: They appeared in AR and the Daily Caller, not any left wing websites or publications.

      The raison d’etre of the modern left is hatred of white people.

      • jackryanvb

        “The raison d’etre of the modern left is hatred of white people.”

        Same can be said of the tops of all major Christian Church denominations.

        Anti White forces/people can take over anything from Left to Right. In theory we should do the same.

      • jackryanvb

        NumbersUSA is environmentalist, pro US workers, more Left than Right.

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          I am not aware that left wing voters are basing their voting decisions on NUSA grades.

        • LACountyRedneck

          I highly doubt most subscribers to NUSA are liberal. I’ve been using them for almost ten years and I personally don’t know any libs that use them. I hope many do.

        • DieWulfe

          Not at all. Leftists are for amnesty and more immigration. Using unemployment is an angle that Numbers thought would resonate with Republicans. So far, nothing works; however, more White conservative respondents (yelling and screaming) seems to have had some effect.

    • jackryanvb

      Please read the Amren article don’t write off the liberals. These are not wild eyed “save the world types” but, practical White people implementing practical liberal Left policies that work in non White places, policies like strict birth control and abortion rights, strict labor and environmental rules so labor is done by White labor and higher, living wages. Please get out of the Conservative sand box.

      • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

        Jack, I have read that article before and I’ve read others that have been posted which were similar (including the comments). I know exactly what you’re saying and, while I don’t fully agree with it, I understand the rationale behind your position. It makes some sense, but it’s not reality – at least not how liberals have historically thought and acted.

        The problem Jack is that you’re twisting liberalism into something it’s not. The kind of liberalism you speak of is not the kind that’s manifested itself for the past 50 years. There may be a few liberals like yourself out there, but you folks are clearly the ‘minority’ (pun intended). The liberals you identify with may not be the “save the world types” but, unfortunately, the overwhelming number of liberals are.

        When liberals like YOU, Jack, become the norm, I’ll consider your position. But until then, I have to deal with liberals in the real world and as they truly are.

        I’ll consider leaving my “Conservative sand box” once you consider leaving your liberal/Leftist dreamworld.

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          The notion that all these doctrinaire liberals are either secretly on our side or about to be on our side, other than a fringe few, (and I would hardly call Jack a liberal), is about as much of a delusion as the notion that we can get rid of the IRS some time in the next few years.

          Because libs really want ethnonationalism and immigration control, we saw evidence of that when Senate Democrats fell all over themselves to vote against the Gang Bangers of Eight bill. And that’s a good thing, too, because they really had to bust their rear ends and pull political rabbits out their hats one after another to beat back the never-ending efforts of evil conservative Christian southerners like Jeff Sessions and David Vitter to bust the borders wide open. (???)

          Seriously though, in Jack’s defense, we also have to admit that the aracial right addicted to abstract variants of political rightism and right-libertarianism are no more reliable allies on the immigration issue than any given Senate Democrat.

        • jackryanvb

          I am pro White, race realist these terms “liberal”, “conservative” can all work Ok if channelled through a pro White, race realist way.

          The key is to not fall for traitor Whites on Left or Right.

          Read up on the Instauration traitors of the year, so many like George Will, Dick Lugar and Newt Gingrich were traitors from supposedly Conservative politics.

          • http://www.ambrosekane.com/ bluffcreek1967

            I appreciate that you’re a race-realist. I only wish more liberals like yourself espoused the same views.

            I’m not a big fan of the ‘conservatives’ you cited, especially Newt Gingrich (and I’ve said so on my blog and in various comments). These men are not the sort of conservatives I align with.

          • Sick of it

            I’m still trying to figure how Newt IS conservative. By what measure? By what POV? He’s more of an internationalist.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            The glorious ‘…Contract with America…’

            I will have to dig that up and refresh my memory on that contract.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Practical? Not remotely. Every tenet of the left harms white people. The left is an anti-white nation wrecking machine. From feminism and abortion, affirmative action, gay rights, gun control, attacks on free speech, attacks on religion, you name it, it’s ALWAYS about screwing whitey.

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/MarcusCMarcellus?feature=mhee The Night Porter

    Excellent, excellent essay. This is something I have been pointing out to libertarian friends associated with the Mises Institute and Lew Rockwell. Libertarianism offers a decent critique of government excesses within Western countries, but it cannot speak to the foundations of civilization.

  • LACountyRedneck

    That’s what I’ll say the next time I walk into a McD’s.

    • Jesse James

      Stop going into McD’s, bad food, worse values. Their 365 black campaign made what used to be tasty french fries turn into cold lumps of bland waxy tasting potato soaked in unchanged oil and dipped into ketchup made with way too much sugar and preservatives.

  • LHathaway

    A white women digging her heals in about immigration is like a drug dealer calling for drug legalization.

  • jackryanvb

    Well, we could go on all night on this. I just leave it that Mr. Taylor is once again dead on right on CPAC. Ony one there speaking up for us was Ann Coulter. CPAC and now presidential politics is pretty much lost for us. This is not an accident. Our enemies made the long march through our institutions and now are at the top in Washington “think tanks”, National Review, “Conservative” religious organizations .

    The only type of “Conservative” poltical philosophy allowed expressed by the MSM and Conservative Inc thought police is open borders immigration libertarianism that must focus on helping non White minorities, gays, lesbians Muslim immigrants you know, Eric Holder’s hate crime victim groups.

    OK, I can only see one small silver lining to this worst ever CPAC – very little Christian Zionist war mongering, the Huckster Mike Huckabee was the only one pushing this hated Neo Conservative war mongering against our kinsmen the Russians.

    • NoMosqueHere

      5.5 million jews in israel versus 1.5 billion muslim terrorists. Yeah, the jews are real war mongers.

      • Sick of it

        They have their own country, yet also own land all over the rest of the world. Why is that exactly? They have their own country, yet control politics and economics worldwide. Why would they need to do that if they “just want to be left alone”?

        • NoMosqueHere

          What countries do they control exactly? The US is a republic w/ reasonably free and fair elections — and jews represent about 2 percent of the overall voting population — but I suspect you are too alienated and hostile to vote.

          • Sick of it

            What has voting done for me? We end up with the same scum, the same lack of choices. Free and fair elections? You would be comfortable in a place like Iran, despite your protestations. A Republic? We have been a degenerate Democracy for over 100 years. The old Republic died with the Civil War.

            Again, look at the names in Washington, D.C….and everywhere else. Even the Swedish government has them there…and they aren’t exactly native to Sweden.

            Hostile? I gave up hate a long time ago. Those to whom you cling so fiercely despise all of humankind. Thus I am not a fan.

      • jackryanvb

        “FYI, zionism is the belief that the jews are entitled to a land of their own. They have one tiny country the size of New Jersey. They are such land grabbers, right.”

        jR responds:

        OK, and what does this have to do with Neo Conservatives, Jewish and Gentile in the United States pushing for US wars, attacks against our kinsmen the Russians, Serbs, etc?

        How did bombing our kinsmen the Serbs to create an Albanian Turkish Muslim state in Kosovo/Serbia, how did that have anything to do with the jewish people having a Jewish state in Middle East/Holy Land? Why are Serbs, Russians, some working class White guy in DC sprawl Virginia, how are they the enemies of Jewish people in Israel? Why do Neo Conservatives in the United States looking to destroy White Indo Europeans everywhere in the world?

        • Max

          Indeed, every aggressive act of Israel is accompanied by “We have a right to exist” with Israeli agents either blackmailing, threatening, or whining in the ear of every congressman or cabinet member to accomplish Israeli/Jewish goals.

          We have no responsibilty to Israel OR any Moslem nation of any kind anywhere. We have no interests in common with any of them and they can do whatever they wish to each other. Ain’t our problem. They should all be abandoned to their own devices.

  • gubblerchechenova

    Jews are the enemy.

    • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

      Please try and grow beyond visceral hate. It’s going to turn you into a bitter social outcast if you don’t get it under control.

      • Budd Smith

        Jewish groups fought to overturn our immigration laws for decades, and finally succeeded in 1965. All significant jewish groups are today pushing to keep the borders wide open. That would make them legitimate targets of the death squads.

        • jackryanvb

          Violates Amren’s comment guidelines.

        • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

          When you are looking for Jewish connections in positions of leadership, you are going to find Jews in positions of leadership. It’s just that simple. There are countless groups headed and funded by White Gentiles that are every bit as pro-illegal, pro-multiculturalism, and open borders fanatics as any Jewish group you find. The common theme when pointing to them is that they must secretly be Jewish. Or maybe they were just influenced by Jews. You never see a blanket statement about that group.

          Yes, Jews are far too overrepresented in the Leftist, pro-multiculty crowd. But Jews are NOT monolithic. They have NEVER been monolithic. And considering the vitriol from people who get a Stormfront and VNN kind of education, I don’t think I would blame some Jews for blindly supporting the complete opposite of what they believe to be a threat to their lives. I would do the exact same thing.

          What happens when you have Jews who are vastly different than the monolithic entity that contradicts who and what you say Jews are and what they support? You ignore them. You point to the jokers and clowns leading the parade, but make it a point to ignore the dissenting voices within that crowd.

          How about a good majority of supposedly pro-White American groups from past and even into the present being headed and directed by liars, thieves, informants, perverts and incompetent buffoons? Can I go ahead and make my pitch for another group that needs to be tossed into “the enemy” camp?

        • alex

          Lighten up, Fritz. Don’t be so sauer.

    • Transpower

      The Jewish Community was Republican from 1865 to 1940. Then the Jewish Community got swamped by Eastern European socialists, all of whom began voting for the Democrats. However, the tide is turning; the newer Russian Jewish immigrants are all Republican.

  • silviosilver

    Engelman doesn’t believe race matters very much at all, really. As a matter of fact, he is on record as insisting that whites must be replaced by other races. His problem is with blacks and only blacks. Not that anything should be “done” even about them, however. One should simply be permitted to complain bitterly of the havoc they wreak; that is the only allowance he will make.

    • JohnEngelman

      Race realism means that the races differ in ways that enable them to contribute to civilization in differing degrees.

      Whites will not be replaced the way the American Indians were. Whites and Orientals get along well in the United States. East Indians also perform and behave well in the United States. In the United States Hindus are nearly as prosperous as Reform Jews.

      In the United States race consciousness is declining. This can be seen in the growing practice and approval of interracial marriage.

      • SoulInvictus

        “race consciousness is declining.”
        lol, right. Easily enough dismissed by, you know, actually observing life.
        -Almost daily there are racially charged court cases in the media.
        -Constant barrage of slavery and holocaust propaganda films.
        -It’s not in the interests of blacks, race baters, leftists, or Democrats to do anything other than fan the race flames.
        -There is a noticeable upswell in HBD and race realist commentary on the web.
        -Recent and near future DNA research is going to cause “logical”, “science minded” lefties some real philosophical issues.
        -Muslims will still rabidly hate Jews 500 years from now.
        -Israel will still be an apartheid state.
        -Black mob violence is on the rise.
        -Worsening economic conditions heighten tribal tension.

        And lastly, as you well know, becoming a minority forces a consciousness of identity that isn’t felt the same way when your group is ubiquitous. Whites becoming a minority in the US will exponentially heighten thoughts of race on this side of the divide. What that results in is anyone’s guess. A quiet fading, violence, or something else entirely. I look for the cork to pop in europe first. Speaking of which… mixing and mingling hasn’t brought lessened tensions there has it? Quite the opposite.

        You’ve said all of one thing I’ve ever agreed with. Michael Savage is worth a listen. As a Jewish son of immigrants, he can say a lot of things publicly that others can’t, and even he barely gets away with it. He is the exception to the rule in a lot of ways.

        • Martel

          Race consciousness is a given, it is an unchangeable fact.

          • Black Swan

            Race consciousness is an inevitable result of 10,000 years of competition over living space and resources, otherwise the races wouldn’t have remained as separated as they are. Racial consciousness is an ingrained part of human nature that cultural marxists believe they can change, IOW they think they can override mother nature, but only for whites, not anyone else. It’s OK for Asians to remain Asians, Jews to be self-identified Jews, Hispanics to retain their language and heritage but not OK for whites. Whites who wish to maintain their heritage are considered Nazis, haters and bigots.

            There was one study done which showed defensive portions of the brain fired up when people were shown photos of people from other races. Wishing to maintain one’s race is normal and natural and this includes for the white race no matter what the hypocritical cultural marxists tell us, because they feel the only good white is a dead white and they mean all of us.

          • Nancy Thomas

            The Frankfurt School pathologized any and all forms of white identity, and this intellectual stance has made it impossible for whites to form any cohesive group strategies to fight off the hyper-ethnocentrism of ALL non-whites (including Jews).

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Rabbi Engelman may to stop by and give you a sermon.

            I think he’s ‘white’ today.

            <;-D

          • David Ashton

            How can this Nordic Episcopalian Chinese-girl fancier advocate the exclusive territorial conquest of the Middle East by one particular “race” but deny the exclusive territorial settlement of Northern America by another “race”?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            “…He has people…”

          • silviosilver

            The hypocrisy and double standards you identify are the multiracial project’s greatest point of vulnerability, one that should be ruthlessly exploited. Nevertheless, it’s possible to overstate one’s case, and I think WNs are too often guilty of overstating it. Other racial groups may be freely permitted a level of self-preference that is categorically denied to whites, but this cannot be taken to mean that those groups are in effect ‘non-white WNs,’ be it as minorities in western countries, be it in their home countries. Indeed, there isn’t a single country in the world pursuing a political course akin to WN-like racialism.

          • Jesse James

            What about Israel? They seem to be pursuing a pretty ethno-centric national survival strategy.

          • silviosilver

            It’s ethnocentric, “nationalistic,” yes. But it’s not really what you’d call racial, although I’m certain that there is a large element of racial reasoning behind their decision to deport Africans. Israelis are a significantly racially mixed bunch, but since their mixture doesn’t encompass the entire racial spectrum I suppose you could call their policies “restricted racialism.” It’s certainly miles ahead of what any European country is doing.

          • blight14

            Perhaps you could enlighten us, perhaps tell us WHY Europe and the US are following these suicidal paths……….do you suppose its the people of Europe/America that want these ‘immigrants’?

          • silviosilver

            I’ll reply here in case your other comment doesn’t make it through moderation (though I can’t see why it shouldn’t). What you’re pointing out is a form of ethnic defense, but it’s not racial. If he had been an Ethiopian but part of the tribe there would be no issue, yet the Palestinian she had sex with – and could possibly have conceived a child with – was racially much closer to her than the Ethiopian, so the law is irrational from a racial standpoint, but not from an ethnic standpoint.

            The leadership of the country undoubtedly looks after its own people, but they are not unique in this. Most countries around the world put their own people first; western countries are the only exception. But this doesn’t mean that those countries attempt to defend their people from a strictly racial point of view. That could change if countries begin to view racial defense as important, but for now no country does anything like that.

          • blight14

            Come now, we all know that’s ‘different’…../sarc

          • RisingReich

            You’re NAZI for even noticing. You’re right though.
            Hypocrites – that’s one thing that NEVER changes.

          • me

            Israel, Japan, China, United Arab Emirates, Bosnia, Slovakia, Somalia, Zimbabwe, South Africa, Mexico, etc. etc. etc. You aren’t very aware of what goes on outside of your Marxist, anti-White ideologies, are you? Even cities like Detroit are pro-Black and anti everyone else….wake up!

          • silviosilver

            So those countries are busy promoting racial purity and expelling or segregating those who fall outside the determined racial parameters? Is that what is going on in those countries?

          • silviosilver

            That is not a meaningful statement. Awareness of racial difference may be an “unchangeable fact,” but conceptions of what racial difference means or signifies or implies can clearly vary greatly between individuals and over time.

          • Martel

            No, our evolutionary instincts, a product of genetics, decide what racial solidarity means. We can interpret it incorrectly and debate about the value we assign to these instincts but they are there, only changing due to natural selection.

          • silviosilver

            My evolutionary instincts have apparently endowed me with the ability to determine for myself to a significant degree what race, racial difference and racial solidarity mean. I know this because my views have changed considerably over my life. I doubt a leftist would consider it “considerable” change, since I have always felt a marked sense of racial self-preference, even when I wore the label “anti-racist” with pride. The slogan is essentially true: when you get down to it, I was hardly anything more than anti-white.

          • Martel

            You freed yourself from an environment which forced you to deny and suppress your evolutionary instincts. From a philosophical point of view you can determine how to approach such instincts, but what I mean is that this instinct is no different from the fact that you have a survival instinct or a certain testosterone level, its a natural phenomenon instead of a social construct which the left claims.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            And science is proving that more every day.

        • Nancy Thomas

          Race consciousness is EXPLODING, give me a break! The non-whites have ALWAYS been “racists” and now whites are finally waking up.

      • Martel

        Race consciousness will never decline, it can only become muffled or suppressed ready to surface when pressures become to high. Few whites want to live in all Asian neighborhoods, immigrants of all backgrounds prefer to live amongst their own. There are scientific studies which prove genetic similarity are a factor in determining friendships, other studies show people have less empathy when someone of a different racial background is in pain. It is build into our system.

        • JohnEngelman

          John Derbyshire, who will be speaking at the next American Renaissance conference had this to say about race consciousness in a 2003 interview:

          ———

          Any magazine that has been around for 48 years must face the problem that a lot of its most dedicated and loyal readership is rather old. The magazine needs to keep the loyalty of these readers for reasons both moral and financial; yet it must also be constantly trying to get new readers – the younger the better, so that they too will get the National Review habit and join the long-term core readership.

          In America today this is a difficult balancing act, because very fundamental shifts of outlook have occurred in the past 48 years, among conservatives as much as – perhaps even more than – elsewhere. I frequently meet college students who tell me they are conservative, who have all the attributes of what seems to me a broadly conservative outlook on life and society, who want to read conservative publications… yet who have a deep dislike of many of the topics – not just the point of view, the actual topics – that interest older readers.

          This shows up most especially in the area of race, and the penumbra of issues – immigration, for instance, or crime-fighting – that are associated with it. The kind of thoughtful and intelligent young people that NR would like to have as readers understand that there are problems and absurdities connected with race in our public life, and are happy to hear arguments pro and con about racial profiling, affirmative action, and so on. They laugh with us when we lampoon the more outrageous kind of black race hustler – a Sharpton, a Farrakhan, a Johnny Cochran. They are, however, determined to make the multiracial society work, they believe it can be made to work in spite of the hustlers and liberal guilt-mongers, and they are unwilling to read, say, or think anything that could be construed as unkind towards people of other races. The pessimism and cynicism on this topic that you rather commonly find among conservatives – including NR readers – born in 1930, or even 1950, are profoundly unappetizing to these younger conservatives.

          • Martel

            I don’t consider this a particular strong argument. You can’t possibly consider this evidence of a decrease in such a natural function as race consciousness either, you seem to be name dropping to make a point. I will, remember this the next time we discuss the Jewish question.

            In general, those who abide to the standards of ‘political correctness’ as formulated during the sixties, will generally delegate judgements on racial matters to blacks or non-whites when possible. When any Asian, Black or Jew considers an issue ‘discriminatory’, policies are under tremendous pressure to follow no matter how illogical or opposed these changes are too European values. The fact that most whites reference the subjective opinions of coloureds are only one matter in which the understanding that ethnic identity influences judgement is manifested.

            Another example can be seen in the reaction of white youth to Obama and Oprah, two intelligent blacks who act in the ethnic interests of blacks. Many of the actions of Oprah and Obama would be considered unpalatable if caucasian celebrities would make similar statements to advance the interests of whites, especially beyond the expectations set in the American tradition of ‘equal opportunities’. This is because those whites do recognize race, and forgive or condemn individuals actions based on their ethnic background. The term ‘islamophobia’ would most likely not exist, and not be as popular amongst the youth if Muslims where generally of caucasian background. Most likely, the religion would have been banned by now, as the violent scriptures would be read by the public and authorities without the pressures of political correctness.

            This all is only in the court of opinion, but look at universities, the nations ‘best and brightest’, ethnicities still stick together as they have done so always, excluding minor exceptions.Multiculturalism does have an appeal, mostly because promoting it results in social status, but its appeal is only temporary.

            There are no signs that the ethnic conflicts between blacks, Hispanics, Europeans and Asians are decreasing, in fact, even the Asians are letting go of their traditional evolutionary group strategy as ‘the timid, politically uninvolved Asian community’ and moving into the game of extorting racially sensitive, and therefore racially conscious, in a negative sense, Europeans. This follows a similar pattern to all multi-ethnic societies which exist today and which have existed historically, political intentions will be crushed by our evolutionary instincts. Putnam studied over 30.000 individuals to come to the conclusion that diverse environments tend to be low trust environments. This has been confirmed by studies which show we are prone to trust those who look like us. These studies cannot be neglected because of the meaningless statement by Derbyshire.

          • JohnEngelman

            The practice and approval of interracial marriage, which I have documented in the past, is tangible evidence for my assertion that racial consciousness is declining in the United States.

            So is the fact that television advertisements and situation comedies are becoming increasingly interracial. Those who produce advertisements and situation comedies do not want to offend people. They want to appeal to them.

          • Martel

            I don’t find this convincing in the slightest.

            All ethnicities still prefer to live among their own (see college, even Tim Wise once admitted to Taylor he lost most of his black friends, which he found sad, though I enjoyed it), what is said under political pressure in a survey is not representative of what people actually want, but about the socially desirable answer. You should read some of the books written by Jared Taylor, he documents these issues thoroughly, different ethnicities basically live different lives just as much in America, Europe or such remote places as India where the light rarely mingle with the dark, an event which even splits up families, or Indonesia, where the Chinese are considered outsiders.

            There is not a place on earth nor a time in history when evolutionary instincts were successfully neutered, under the slightest economic pressure or when the political influence of other ethnicities rises and it starts to compete directly with the dominant group, these tensions flare up again. Read the comment sections of most newspapers, check out polls on immigration, see the political changes in Western Europe, the cradle of multiculturalist naivety. Tensions are flaring up as we speak, which is predictable as science has presented us long ago with the psychological mechanisms which necessitate such tensions.

          • Nancy Thomas

            I worked in Los Angeles schools for 25 years, and one look at the cafeteria at noon destroys John’s argument, since the blacks sit with blacks, the mexicans sit with mexicans, and the Asians sit in their little corner frightened and alone just hoping they don’t get their food stolen from them.

          • JohnEngelman

            When I was in high school during lunch I sat with my two best friends. They were Chinese Americans. No one stole food from them. No one would have dared.

          • Martel

            They would shun you today, no need for alliances with white kids twice their size these days, they got numbers. In college European kids never came close to the Chinese eating lunch because of the stench.

          • silviosilver

            Your insipid anecdotes are of no value to this discussion.

          • David Ashton

            They are so irrelevantly personal they border on the autistic.

          • Garrett Brown

            They knew kung fu?

          • Geo1metric

            Perhaps, but Kung fu didn’t know them.

          • me

            Everybody was kung foo fighting…
            Those cats were fast as lightening…
            In fact it was a little bit frightening…
            Cause they fought with expert timing….
            Woo-oah-oa- oah!
            Kung Foo Hustle….

          • Young Werther

            STOP

          • LHathaway

            The world would be a better place with less such ‘braggerty’. Of course, since you’re a leftist, or been educated by them, you probably consider it a virtue, because it’s ‘for a good cause’.

            I always knew there was a niche for you, Mr. Engelman. It turns out the place for you to display your morals is the Jerry Springer show. Haha.

          • Nancy Thomas

            John, your argument is ludicrous. The elite does not in any way care about appealing to people; the elite is manipulating consciousness. This is clear to anyone who has a higher IQ. The media blitz pushing race mixing is simple cultural marxism, a way to break down the white majority. Look at the number of slave movies for instance! It’s all about constantly guilt tripping whites, reminding whites of their “evil” nature, telling us that blacks are noble and wise, blah blah….
            obvious stuff John.
            Look at the two (the ONLY two) recent televised trials, where evil white men murdered sweet innocent black children. This is surely psychological manipulation on a grand scale. I’d be willing to bet that thousands of whites were killed by blacks during this very same time period, and NONE of those crimes are shown in the biased media.

          • JohnEngelman

            Nobody is forced to chose a spouse of another race. Nobody is forced to watch a “slave movie.” People make those choices because they want to.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Coercion isn’t necessarily physical.

            Most people cannot think for themselves and will allow the authority figures of the group to make decisions for them. Because the desire for social reward is such a powerful influence, most people can be easily coerced into doing things against their will by means of intense social pressure.

            Changing an entire group’s way of thinking only requires a small elite to infiltrate the dominant social and political institutions of western civil society. Once infiltrated, these institutions are then undermined from within and used to indoctrinate the public into accepting a new mode of consciousness or “proletarian” culture.

            This explains why obviously false ideas like racial egalitarianism and multiculturalism are such pervasive features of modern society.

          • JohnEngelman

            If by “racial equalitarianism” you mean the belief that the races are intrinsically equal, then I agree.

            Nevertheless, Orientals tend to be more intelligent than white Gentles. They have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy. These differences exist everywhere in the world. They are obviously due to genetic differences.

            On many occasions I have documented this using material I have found on this website.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            I’m skeptical of NE Asian cognitive superiority, especially when it comes to the Chinese. Their average IQ appears to be based on unrepresentative samples of high caste urban dwellers and oriental Americans. OTOH about 50% of the Chinese population consists of low caste rural peasants and rural peasants generally have lower IQs than urban dwellers. It’s preposterous to suggest that these rural peasants, who spend most of their time stewing in their own 3rd world excrement, have IQs similar to or higher than the average western European, who must function in a modern industrial society.

            Until I see a comprehensive study assessing the average IQ of low caste rural dwellers, I will continue to suspect that Chinese IQ is inflated because of self-selection bias. IMO the average Chinaman probably has an IQ of ±90.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            No education standards can be trusted anywhere at those point in the overall global decline, especially from Asian and sub-continent Asian countries. Their so-called education credentials should be suspect to the point of disregarded.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Well…depends. Japanese and Koreans have high IQ’s, while the Vietnamese and Cambodians and Filipinos not so much, probably around 85 on par with mexicans. It’s true they have low crime and low out of wedlock births, but whites are a close second.
            The race for crime and bastard children is easily won by browns and blacks by a big margin.

          • me

            ASIANS! ASIANS! They prefer to be called ASIANS! LOL!

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            My wife prefers to be called “Japanese”. Sayaka isn’t “Asian”; she’s just a very small person with a very big heart. She’s 4’9″ and has white – literally white – skin, very dark eyes and black hair: “Snow White”. When we talk about race and politics, she reminds me of Spartacus.

          • Garrett Brown

            That’s a cool story bro.

          • Young Werther

            Nothing is intrinsically equal. In some societies the *advantages* for sucess among the races may be more equal than others…races, like all things, are not intrinsically equal.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Bingo, I’ve been trying to formulate this response all day long. Thank you.

          • silviosilver

            Your argument is strongest on the point of miscegenation. It is difficult to argue that people have been coerced into such choices. The progressive stigmatization of white identity over the decades has made it progressively easier for whites who felt no attachment to their race to engage in miscegenation. It seems futile to dispute this.

          • SoulInvictus

            Schoolchildren are regularly forced or pressured to watch slave and holocaust propaganda. I just heard a radio interview this past month about a CA(I think) school program that required kids to learn about and imitate Muslim daily life to study Sharia. I can’t imagine the outcry if the same had been done with a Bible.
            And if you want a degree in the US, you will absolutely have to sit through leftist indoctrination.
            But then, people like Ignatiev lecturing at Ivy League schools probably doesn’t bother you in the least.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Yes, “Night” and “The Diary of Ann Frank” and “To Kill A Mockingbird”…Che and MLK and Malcom X posters on the walls….school murals of whites from Spain butchering brown indigenous people…Howard Zinn’s anti-white screed as required reading…. radical leftist teachers coaching students to serve as foot soldiers for immigration protests….I could go on and on, but the main thread of public education in Los Angeles is that whites are evil destructive imperialist colonialist racist pigs who deserve to have their country taken away from them to right the wrongs of the past.
            In other words, it’s payback time baby!

          • antiquesunlight

            Exactly. One reason I’ve saved my college World Lit textbook is so I can reference it 20 years hence as an example of our current propaganda system. Stuck in between the stories was page after page of “historical context” that could be summed up with two sentences: “The indigenous peoples of X nation were geniuses, then Evil Whitey came in and slaughtered everyone. Since that time, the remaining indigenous peoples of X nation have been nobly fighting their Evil Oppressors.”

          • MikeofAges

            Misapplication of the legal theory. The white race and by extension, white Christianity, are treated as monoploy entities under anti-trust law. Those that cooperate with the disparate impact-Popular Front system, Roman Catholics and mainline Protestants, are less mistreated.

            The only problem is, if you going to designate certain religions as monopoly religions, on a worldwide basis, you have to designate Islam as a monopoly religion as well. See how that goes.

          • Martel

            Hollywood produces mostly ideologically influenced films. The subject of race, nationalism and other issues usually pop up in films which should not touch on these subjects. Again it seems you live in a different world, stop dreaming about meeting an Asian girl and go out once in a while,

          • JohnEngelman

            The clear majority of Hollywood movies lose money at the box office. Hollywood creates movies it thinks people will enjoy watching.

          • Martel

            Name one movie where you can explain the propaganda contained in the script as a tactic to raise profits. Most directors , actors and producers are ideologues, they admit continually that they want their movies to be more then just about (you name it). Your argument supports my statement, it is difficult making propaganda movies which make money.

          • Nancy Thomas

            I think you hit on the exact reason for why so many movies fail, because they were not remotely concerned with the audience needs, but were most concerned with pushing some agenda. That movie about the gay man who got killed (Matthew Shepherd?) turns out it didn’t happen anything like the movie…the dude was a meth head and he was bartering sex to get some meth! It wasn’t a “hate crime” at all but more like a drug deal gone bad. A gay journalist wrote a well researched book about the case and he is now persona non grata for doing so. The movie was total nonsense propaganda for gay rights and hate crime legislation. Typical Hollywood crap.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            And then the media retractions are just whispers in the night.

          • Nancy Thomas

            John…I live and work in Hollywood and I know the industry. Movies are made for many reasons…sometimes because the idea sounds like a money maker…and sometimes because certain bigshots feel like manipulating the public with some propaganda. Weinstein just a few days ago OPENLY stated that he’s making an anti-gun movie to bring down the NRA. During WWII Hollywood made lots of pro-war movies that were little more than propaganda. This is obvious stuff.
            Since I became more racially aware a few years ago, I can barely watch movies or TV without exploding with anger due to the overt manipulation of the screen content that is nearly ALWAYS anti-white/anti-Christian/pro-minority/anti-gun/pro-abortion/pro-gay/pro-immigration, etc.etc.etc.
            Obvious stuff.
            C’mon John, if Medved felt secure enough to give Hollywood a well deserved scolding, you shouldn’t feel that you have to defend the indefensible.
            I sometimes think that you don’t really believe some of the things you say and the positions you take, but that you’re just playing devil’s advocate. In any case you do force us to defend our positions and it’s good exercise. Maybe that’s why JT made you the moderator.

          • JohnEngelman

            Film mogul Samuel Goldwyn once famously said: “If you have a message, send a telegram.”

            In a country as free as the United States political messages are only effective when they tell people what they want to believe, or what they know to be true in their own lives.

            One does not get places politically by changing people’s minds. One gets places by articulating and channeling sentiments that already exist.

          • silviosilver

            These specific statements have already been refuted, yet you shamelessly repeat them as though you knew nothing of it. You are not here to debate in good faith, rather to push an agenda.

          • JohnEngelman

            You do not prove that by asserting it.

            However, if what you say is true, what would you like to do about it? Do you think Hollywood and the mass media should be required by law to promote white nationalism?

          • silviosilver

            You do not prove that by asserting it.

            That is rich coming from you.

            However, if what you say is true, what would you like to do about it?

            I wish to see a cultural sea change take place. In such an environment pro-white and anti-diversity views would naturally be promoted. In the long-term it is reasonable to imagine that any racially reformed polity would attempt to censor (without necessarily explicitly banning) viewpoints that undermine its raison d’etre.

          • JohnEngelman

            Trends are moving against you. One does not get places in politics by continuing to fight lost causes. One gets places by getting in front of popular issues.

          • silviosilver

            It’s a matter of doing what is right, not what is popular. Since all groups gain from having positive racial identities and from having a culture which celebrates and supports rather than denigrates and downplays those identities there will be a constituency for anti-diversity racial reform for many decades yet. Furthermore, there is a ready made rallying point for such a movement, since all non-black groups could quickly grasp the benefits of keeping blacks out of their societies.

            However aggrieved blacks may become, they too may support such an effort since mixing also dilutes their identity and introduces the perplexing issue of “colorism” in their ranks. Unchecked mixing will leave “true” blacks a tiny, disparaged minority among their larger racial group so they have an inherent incentive to cooperate with groups whose policies would ensure that black racial existence is defended.

          • JohnEngelman

            all groups gain from having positive racial identities

            – silviosilver

            The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, hisreligion, his race or his holy cause.

            – Eric Hoffer

          • silviosilver

            This is laughable. Unlike yourself I have very little interest in claiming superiority over other groups, or announcing my group’s “excellence” to the world. Nor am I ashamed to admit to any shortcomings my group has had or may have. Racial self-appreciation is its own reward. Blacks could objectively be described as “inferior” across a number of important metrics, but in no way does this detract from the value of positive racial identity for blacks. It is ironic that someone as disdainful of mixing with blacks as I am would in fact safeguard their identity while people who “love” them support policies which only serve to destroy black identity.

          • SoulInvictus

            “The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.”

            Eric Hoffer (and you by proxy endorsement of the statement) sounds like a tool. (Oh, now I see why you like him, he wrote “The Awakening of Asia” and was very pro-Israel… shocker there.)

            I was going to respond with Adolf’s quotes about the Reich, German People, and himself. Regardless of whether you like what the man did, you can’t deny his accomplishments, and he readily gave the glory to the people and nation.

            But instead:
            “That’s one small step for man, one giant leap for mankind.”

            By your logic, Armstrong should have claimed the glory rather than take pride in his race. The opposite of your quoted thought seems to be true in that the truly great ones don’t feel the need to have all the attention and are satisfied in the accomplishment itself. They almost always give the glory to their people and their god.

          • Truth Teller

            You get places by telling people what they want to hear to get elected. Once you get elected, do whatever you want.

          • me

            And what one does to ‘get places’ is not necessarily best for themselves or others….Popularity contests should end when one graduates from high school. I have absolutely no respect for the current psychopaths that attain high office in the current slouching towards Gomorrah.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Sadly, you are completely correct.

          • JohnEngelman

            There is a difference between normative opinions and empirical opinions.

            Normative opinions consist of values, goals, concerns, likes and dislikes. By their nature these cannot be proven, nor can they be disproved.

            Empirical opinions can at least in theory be proven or disproved. As of now we do not know if advanced civilizations exist on other planets, but the statement, “Advanced civilizations exist on other planets,” is an empirical opinion. “We should put more effort into finding advanced civilizations on other planets,” is a normative opinion.

            Widely held values in the United States are moving in directions most American Renaissance posters dislike. I dislike the sexual revolution, and always have.

            A website like American Renaissance can attract people who feel in certain ways. There is little this website can do to change the way most Americans feel about political issues.

            Where American Renaissance can be valuable is in propagating empirical opinions which can be proven, but which are unpopular, and often suppressed.

            I am of course thinking about the basic assertions of race realism. I consider these to be the following. Race is an important biological classification. The races differ significantly in average ability levels and behavior. These differences are due to evolving in response to different population pressures lasting for hundreds and thousands of years. These differences, especially in ability levels, can be changed very little through social reform and social welfare spending.

            The Nazi movement discredited the empirical opinion that racial differences are important. As the Nazi movement fades from living memory, as more is learned about the human genome, and as racial differences continue to persist and to resist efforts to bridge them I believe that race realism will become more widely believed.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Bingo.

          • David Ashton

            Engelman is telling us that people enjoy promiscuous sex and paraphilias more and more. However, the film world not only reflects and condones this process but does more than normalize it – it quite evidently encourages it. It is simply idle or ignorant to deny the evidence.

          • JohnEngelman

            Michael Medved has documented that G and PG rated movies tend to be more profitable than R rated movies.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Hollywood is the propaganda arm for the left, period.

            You can spend all day and all night trying to defend that which cannot be defended, but it won’t change any minds here. I just showed you clearly what Harvey Weistein said about his stupid anti-gun movie, you ignore what I said and plow on with your defense of Hollywood. You don’t address facts that you find inconvenient. It’s tiresome after a while. The media is totally in the bag for the left, period, and this is WHY the media is having such a struggle.

          • David Ashton

            I am astonished at the long list of anti-Engelman deletions (including a polite and rational observation by me) compared to the long contributions (mostly the usual automatic repetitions) from Engelman himself. As for movies the recent Oscar hype alone shows the distance between Hollyweird and public taste, which of course can be artificially manufactured by clique-motivated commercial interests, like pornography, hard drugs, promiscuous hedonism, political correctness, denigration of Christian values or western heroes, etc.

            I would refer readers to the studies of “leftist” infiltration of Hollyweird by John Flynn and Ronald Radosh, and of those dealing with the subsequent “Judaic” slant, starting with Edmund Connelly’s article in The Occidental Quarterly, Fall 2006. Much has since been written on how public appetites can be influenced and controlled, and how alternative opinions or tastes can be excluded by financial controls.

          • Nancy Thomas

            I know, I was shocked that some of my comments were deleted and my comments were truthful and not incendiary or disrespectful. I think it’s because we so clearly got the best of him, something had to be done.

          • Jesse James

            Do you suppose it takes John a lot of time logging in to anonymously up vote his own comments? It would be pretty tedious to me, he must be really dedicated to destroying any sense of fellowship between regular commentators on this site. It makes me wonder if someone contributed a lot of money to AR with the caveat that John is given a free hand to comment so that he can refute any possible anti-Semitic or anti-Israel comments. Comments which seem to disappear rapidly and with some consistency. I personally am not a Storm front type guy but I don’t understand why certain people are beyond any dispassionate scrutiny or even passionate scrutiny. What is wrong with freedom of speech and the rough and tumble of trying to prove your assertions?

          • David Ashton

            Only AmRen can answer your question.

            Engleman’s main contribution for long past has been to repeatedly tell us “White Gentiles” that we are morally, intellectually and creatively inferior to the Jews and the Chinese, that he likes foreign food and foreign females, that sexual decadence is irreversible and that racial crossing is desirable. He bypasses contrary argument and ignores contrary information, and wastes our time and energy in the process. I support free speech all round, but it has reached the stage that the delete button might occasionally be used on his tiresome repetitions rather than on the people exasperated by them.

          • Geo1metric

            Well, we could all simply agree to ignore his comments, though I have tried, and found it impossible to let some of his tripe go by without commenting.

            Nevertheless, he obviously enjoys playing the polemic. We could, if we ignore him, deprive him of this enjoyment.

          • David Ashton

            He thinks Medved’s reference to movie ratings contradicts OUR argument!!!!

          • Aditya Vivek Barot

            Agreed. Most people are receptive to the garbage oozing from the TMZ.

            BUT, now & then, they do their best to twist the facts so they fit the narrative. Then, they lose money. Then, they try again. And again. ‘Till they succeed.

            Witness: the public acceptance of homosexuality. Without the Hollywood media-machine, do you think we’d be at the point where we are seriously debating marriage between two men???

            And all in a space of nine (9) years!

          • David Ashton

            You can see the connection between the latest Leftist or Zionist cause and the use of fashion and entertainment, including films and the same circle of favourite “stars”, to promote it. It is not worth the bother of trying to document this here for the Nordic Episcopalian Human Gramophone, however. Just ignore his SPURIOUS demands for proof.

          • RisingReich

            The US is only ‘free’ in the context that you can pretend you have freedom. We all know here, you have very little freedom.
            Freedom of association? Try not serving or hiring a black retard.
            Freedom of speech? Try saying something less than complimentary about the Tribe and keep your job.
            How about self-defense? Only if the perp doesn’t look ‘like a Son of Obama’.

          • Geo1metric

            “Maybe that’s why JT made you the moderator.”

            Engelman is NOT a moderator. That he does not deny these statements himself displays his character.

          • HenryWWolff

            Mr. Engelman is not a moderator.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            But, he’s a very good argument for a 3 posts per thread rule.

            I could live with that. He borders on sectarian spammer.

          • silviosilver

            More likely he’ll be invited to speak at the next Amren conference.

          • JohnEngelman

            You have exceeded that rule in this thread.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            You’ve got me 3 to 1. It must be your high IQ with such high spammer numbers. It’s tiresome keeping up with you sectarian fruit-loops. I was just giving your fellow tribal members a poke in the eye over at the NRO. I sure hope Mann shutters that stink hole. Bill Buckley is rolling over in his grave.

          • Garrett Brown

            Well thank the gods for that.

          • David Ashton

            With respect, he doesn’t need to be. As the above thread indicates, he can rely on others.

          • SoulInvictus

            I didn’t catch the “Mod” next to your name before.
            I’d be interested (as I imagine everyone else would be as well) in hearing what your criteria are for acceptable comments.
            How you came to be a Mod on the site would be interesting to hear as well. :)

          • RisingReich

            He is, however, a shyster.

          • JohnEngelman

            Weinstein just a few days ago OPENLY stated that he’s making an anti-gun movie to bring down the NRA.

            – Nancy Thomas

            A movie like that will reinforce sentiments. It will not change them. If the anti NRA movie succeeds at the box office, like “12 Years a Slave” did, it will be because there is a lot of hostility toward the National Rifle Association. Members of the NRA will not go to see that movie, become disgusted with the NRA, and resign from the organization.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            They botched “Saving Ryan’s Privates”, but the machinegun in the bell tower was something we always did.

          • MikeofAges

            Hollywood doesn’t even want you to know what its own movies are about. Examples: Red Dawn. Sister Act. Many others. Even the great Cabaret.

            What people do want to see in movies is very high production standards. Hollywood delivers that much. As long as they do and create great fantasy-adventure or deliver stories where people can recognize aspects of their own life or live of others in their society, they’ll be happy. Especially if there is a strong “star” performance.

            The star in the cast serves as a marker that the film has a big enough budget to meet the audience’s production standards. Always exceptions, but exceptions are not the norm. That’s why they’re called exceptions.

          • Aditya Vivek Barot

            Mr. Engelman:

            When the Tiger Mother lists “superiority” as an attribute for “success” in her recent pile of garbage, she is referring, precisely, to the attitude that I have witnessed and described.

            The most irrefutable evidence of love for the nation and community is in the form of military service. Rahm Emmanuel loves his nation -that is why he enlisted in the IDF as does Leonard Cohen who did the same.

            There is virtually no Indian presence in the US Armed Forces which should serve as a proof of the danger of admitting mediocre intellects who appreciate neither the culture nor the land into one’s bosom.

            Agriculture and philanthropy offer similar venues. That Andrew Carnegie, an immigrant like myself, loved this country is indisputable as witnessed by his grants. Same holds true for the great Henry Ford.

            There are Scandinavian communities all across the Mid-West and NorCal that bear witness to their love for the land. There is no Indian counterpart.

            Politics is another venue for expressing such love. Bobby Jindal mouths Con., Inc. platitudes as does the Sikhess from NC without expressing any love for the men and women who created the communities that these pols are expected to “lead.” Seattle’s “Trotsykite” pol should also give you cause to pause and reflect upon the character of the peoples you are admitting into your bosom.

            The epics you described do nothing but convince them of their “superiority” without any critical examination of the soul. Most Hindus, myself excluded (but I have neither wife nor life) have not read a page of their Literature/Epics and are informed solely through oral tradition that only emphasizes superiority and parochialism which is manifested in the Indian grants and donatives to temples and other vanity projects in India.

            And these are the Westernized, upper-caste (or, simply “Caste”) Hindus. The current crop is of the lowest, almost retarded kind who are here simply to cheat on taxes and to sink their snout in the public trough.

            All in all, the Indian community should be strictly monitored and only such that an astute officer deems assimilable should be admitted.

            I’d be happy to take that job.

          • David Ashton

            A good example is the recent poorly acted and scripted film about Nazi art thefts – a topical cause. Watch out for movies on women’s “liberation” themes, another recent theme that has emerged.

          • Garrett Brown

            12 years a slave was a flop in the theaters. So I suppose you could say no one saw it because it was liberal washed history, not because of any ‘forcing’ from people.

          • JohnEngelman

            12 Years a Slave cost 20 million dollars to make. So far it has made $158,607,000 at the box office.

          • Garrett Brown

            Before all of the academy buzz and attention it barely made profit. With Pitt, Fassbender, Giamatti, and Cumberbatch all in significant roles I highly doubt it only took 20 million to make. Their pay alone would equal up to about that amount unless they took cuts.

          • JohnEngelman

            You refuse to accept facts that are inconsistent with what you want to believe.

          • Garrett Brown

            What facts am I not accepting?

          • JohnEngelman

            You doubt that it only took twenty million dollars to make. I found that claim on several websites.

          • MikeofAges

            The cost of production is one thing. Then there are distribution costs. Promotion falls under the distribution side of it. I can’t tell you exactly what “12 Years” cost to get to the screens, but I’m pretty sure it was more than $20 million. You would need someone with more inside knowledge of the film industry to get a firm estimate. I don’t have that . But you sure don’t either. So quit pontificating on the subject. Frankly, $35 million aggregate expenses sounds more realistic. But I could be off. Maybe widely off.

          • Garrett Brown

            Because they and I, unlike you, are educated about Hollywood and know what just Brad Pitt alone charges for films. Because of that, the math doesn’t add up. Again, if they didn’t take pay cuts, there is absolutely no way the film only took 20 million to make.

          • MikeofAges

            Finding out the truth about anything Hollywood is pretty difficult. These are some of the most resistant people on the face of the Earth. Many are borderline gangsters, in fact. Sometimes actual gangsters. Ditto for the music industry. Even the publishing industry is no prize.

          • me

            I’ll see your ‘because they want to’…and raise you — ‘because there is little else to watch, since the mainstream media is owned by a monopoly of a few’….We ALL know who owns Hollywood, the major publishing companies, the t.v. and radio stations, and the publishing houses, don’t we, John?

          • JohnEngelman

            Hollywood is perhaps the most economically competitive environment in the United States. For every movie that is made, perhaps seven lose money. For everyone who tries to become a producer, a director, a script writer, an actress, or an actor hundreds fail.

            If there was a market for movies with white nationalist themes, it would be filled. If the movies were not initially shown in theaters, they would make money as DVD’s and internet videos. When they made enough money, theaters would show them.

          • MikeofAges

            There is a market. No one in Hollywood this side of Clint Eastwood has the gravitas and tenacity to make those movies. Few want to endure the flak stream and social harassment they will suffer if they make such a movie. Hollywood makes three kinds of movies for the mainstream audience, as far as I can tell. Fantasy-Adventure. Self indulgent takes on their own lives and the lives of people perceived as like them. Indulgent views of the lives of common people “down there” in flyover country. When someone does a strong take on the lives of people “down there”, the film then is routinely berated by Hollywood’s own publicity machinery, even as the money is raked in. Examples: Twister. Red Dawn.

            Don’t be naive about Hollywood.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            The logical fault there is that the same programming which makes people decide which brand of laundry detergent to buy will also make their minds up about a spouse, and thus inevitably their children.

          • JohnEngelman

            I use Arm & Hammer Oxi Clean Stain Fighters laundry detergent. Have you ever seen it advertised? I never have.

            In a country as free as the United States advertising and political messages are not nearly as powerful as you seem to believe.

            One of the things that disturbs me about the belief many American Renaissance posters seem to have about the power of indoctrination and “brainwashing” is that it seems to justify censorship.

            Those who blame indoctrination for popular attitudes and social changes they dislike would seem to advocate indoctrination for popular attitudes they like.

            Those who maintain that most Americans are “brainwashed” to accept attitudes they dislike are really saying, “Most Americans are too stupid to know what is best for them. I however am intelligent enough to know what is best for me, and for them.”

          • newscomments70

            I was just perusing IMDB. There is a new version of “Trip to the Bountiful”. The original cast Minnie Pearl, a sweet, elderly, white woman. The new version cast a black woman. She is a very pretty, sweet elderly lady type. I already know how this movie will end up. Angry, evil, hateful white men will denigrate her somehow (even though that is a gross exageration of the old South). Hollywood will not stop with its war on whites. it keeps escalating.

          • Young Werther

            Certainly you are right.

          • silviosilver

            This ignores the fact that one can lead without offending, which is in fact what the leftist-dominated institutions of media, entertainment and education have been doing for over fifty years.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those you call “Cultural Marxists” have been presenting better arguments than white nationalists. Truth emerges from the free market for facts and ideas.

          • silviosilver

            They have made more persuasive emotional appeals but in this they were aided by a few important factors: the rapidly rising prosperity of white Americans and their large majority of the population which had the effect of obscuring the true costs of mass multiracialism; their ability to exclude racialists from media, entertainment and education (and as a result of all three, government). Fox News demonstrates how easily even ingrained leftist memes can be undermined, so there is every reason to suppose that a network which permitted pro-white viewpoints could quickly undermine the anti-white memeplex.

          • JohnEngelman

            I agree with you to a point. Jared Taylor and others have had their ideas suppressed. Nevertheless, they have not been totally silenced.

            I want the dialogue on race liberals call for while suppressing. In such a dialogue it will be safe to discuss black social pathology. It will also be safe to discuss the excellent performance and behavior of Orientals and Jews.

            As time goes on I hope and believe it will be safe to discuss the biological reasons for innate individual and racial differences.

          • MikeofAges

            What about the excellent performance of whites when they have been given the opportunity? Happened not once, but twice within the lifetime of people alive today. First, the G.I. Bill. Then outreach for women.

            Whites, as the historic majority, in the last almost 50 years have been the object of many machinations others have not been sublect to. Only certain whites, those for whom specific arrangements have been made, are exempt from these. Shouldn’t that issue be part of the dialogue?

            My argument, oft repeated, is that all whites, other than those for whom those specific arrangements have been made, are and ought to be treated as disadvantaged people. That they very likely would produce more scientist and engineer and more professionals than third World-descended minorities is not an argument against the idea.

            Where do you stand on this issue?

          • JohnEngelman

            On many occasions I have stated my opposition to affirmative action. Nevertheless, I suspect that for many white Gentiles affirmative action is their alibi for failure, just as white racism is the black alibi.

          • Nancy Thomas

            VERY quickly I’d be willing to bet, like OVERNIGHT quickly if we could pull it off. When a movement’s time has come NOTHING can stop it.

          • Nancy Thomas

            This is utterly false and easily debunked. The elite owns and runs the media, censors the media, controls the entire narrative. C’mon John, you’re not dealing with know nothings here. All of academia is controlled by the left and allowed to brainwash generations of innocent young whites! This is hardly what one would call a “free market for facts and ideas.” Conservative college students are not allowed to have opinions at all, they are expected to toe the line or face ostracism and low grades.
            Read “Hollywood Versus America” by Michael Medved, he substantiates everything I have just said and gives example after example to prove his points.
            It’s really rather hilarious that you would claim that CM’s “present better arguments” when every single tenet is designed to WRECK the dominant white Christian society! Their “better arguments” are a bullhorn blaring 24/7 in every movie and every TV show and every magazine and every newspaper and every textbook and every novel, whereas the white nationalist arguments are suppressed and vilified and rarely even get to see the light of day!
            There is no way on earth that the CM’s would win the hearts and minds of ANYBODY if we really HAD a free market of ideas. I had to go LOOKING for the reasons for why I had to suffer victimization from non-whites for so many years, because this is considered to be hidden or secret knowledge, and you know this very well. You need to be intellectually honest here John. The knowledge of race realism/white identity is the red pill from the Matrix…most people are asleep and that’s the way the elites WANT IT, and they go to GREAT pains to keep this knowledge labeled as dangerous and verboten. My God, there’s a full court press to censor conservative media, censor conservative groups, and censor the internet. If not for the internet most of the folks here would have no access to the truth and would still be living in a fog wondering, “Where the hell did my country go?”

          • JohnEngelman

            “The elite owns and runs the media,” is the financial elite. It promotes messages conducive to capitalism.

          • silviosilver

            Mass media is heavily permeated with “cultural marxist” viewpoints. Education is dominated by the cultural marxist outlook.

          • JohnEngelman

            As a self conscious movement Cultural Marxism does not exist. It is a derogatory term for social liberalism.

          • silviosilver

            I don’t customarily use the term, which is why it appears in quotation marks above. Nevertheless, certain viewpoints can be identified and classified as belonging to a “cultural marxist” school. That leftists may be offended by the term is of no more concern to me than the use of terms like “racist” and “anti-semite” to smear opponents is to leftists. It is quite telling that you leap to defend their good name.

          • JohnEngelman

            A racist can be defined as someone who believes that some races tend to be more intelligent and less criminally oriented than others for genetic reasons. Because “racist” is a term of derogation, and because there is plenty of scientific evidence that some races to tend to be more intelligent and less criminally oriented for genetic reasons, I do not use the term “racist.”

            An antisemite is someone who dislikes Jews. Because there is no legitimate reason to dislike Jews antisemites deserve to be identified and condemned.

          • silviosilver

            Taking note of Jewish hypocrisy and double standards regarding group identity or drawing attention to the immensity of Jewish cultural clout is easily enough to get one labelled a “virulent anti-semite.” Try doing either and see for yourself.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Jews have earned “the immensity of Jewish cultural clout” by their superior talent.

          • silviosilver

            Drawing attention to it makes one an anti-semite.

          • Geo1metric

            “Because there is no legitimate reason to dislike Jews antisemites deserve to be identified and condemned.”

            To like or to dislike does not require a “legitimate reason”.

          • David Ashton

            Our Nordic Episcopalian Chinese-girl fancier avoids the essential point that an intelligent and wealthy ethnic group is better able to advance its own specific ethnic interests than other groups. He fails to see, or admit, the LINK between influential elements of the entertainment world and the deliberate exclusion of “race realism” and “white nationalism” from public debate. As I am not a racial “anti-semite”, I do not particularly wish to go down this road with recent quotations from Jewish publications about how some of them get together deliberately to set public agendas and promote one another’s “cultural” offerings with considerable financial input.

          • Alexandra1973

            I don’t dislike Jews but I’m not going to go all Nazi on someone just because they blame the Jews for every blasted thing in this world. I would simply try to educate them.

            Jews are not at the top of the pyramid, so to speak. Just puppets.

          • David Ashton

            Englebore persists in ignoring the definition of Cultural Marxism used by its sympathizers like Dworkin and opponents like Buchanan. He persists in repeating his statement that it is a derogatory term for “social liberalism”. He ignores all contrary evidence. It is a term used to describe post-war self-defined New Left or Critical Studies, influenced by writers like Marcuse and Gramsci, who advocate egalitarian revolution against “hegemonic white patriarchy” by politicizing collectivites like “women”, “blacks”, “immigrants”, LGBTs, students and (later) the “differently abled”. It links in with “permissive” hedonism, of course, through student drug-taking, abortion “rights”, the “gay lifestyle”, etc. How many times have we got to rub the Engelnose in the facts?

          • JohnEngelman

            By saying that the term “Cultural Marxism” is used by its “opponents like Buchanan” you are substantiating my point that “it is a derogatory term for ‘social liberalism’.”

            Which Dworkin are you talking about? Does this “Dworkin” call himself or herself a “Cultural Marxist?”

          • David Ashton

            Go back and look at my previous posts previously provided for your information, with their bibliographical references, lazy boy. You don’t even need to leave your computer screen to search for Dworkin’s book on Cultural Marxism in Britain. I don’t intend to waste more of my time on direct replies.

          • JohnEngelman

            Oh, you mean that Dworkin. Does Dennis Dworkin consider himself to be a “Cultural Marxist?”

          • silviosilver

            Dennis Dworkin has written “Cultural Marxism in Postwar Britain.” I haven’t read it but a very brief perusal reveals that Dworkin himself is of a distinct leftist persuasion and so seems happy to wear the label. While I agree that opponents often spit out the term in derision (and good on them!) it does appear that it is not as derogatory as you claim. “Social liberalism” is a poor substitute for it because it doesn’t merely advocate permissiveness, it actively attacks social norms, on the premise that the resultant destabilization will cause the public to veer towards hard leftist economics.

          • silviosilver

            I’ve always considered it synonymous with New Left and critical studies. I was incredulous when I first began to read their material. Who could possibly believe any of this utter rubbish would lead to a better society? Later I realized that was precisely the point. I’m not a particularly religious man, but part of me hopes there is a hell because then I can rest assured that these scum will burn in it.

          • David Ashton

            In my view there is no postmortem hell, and I wouldn’t wish anyone to be tortured for ever. But these people have created a sort of hell on earth.

          • rowingfool

            If a “financial elite” “owns and runs the media” then whatever it is promoting cannot, by definition, be “capitalism”–if by promoting you mean it is advocating a system that advances its own interests. It would be some sort of oligarchic monopoly, and that would be consistent with the need for and use of mass-mind control to mask its very own existence and doubly so its use of mass-mind control to mask its masking.

            That you, Engelman, should even refer to the financial elite’s behavior as capitalist is in itself evidence of its persuasive power to hypnotize and befuddle.

          • JohnEngelman

            The mass media is privately owned. Consequently it is capitalist. The owners of the main stream media may take liberal stands on some social issues. On economic issues they want to keep their advertisers and their friends at their country clubs happy.

          • RisingReich

            If you define capitalism as a White Genocide platform, I agree.
            Otherwise, please put down the pipe.

          • Geo1metric

            “It promotes messages conducive to capitalism.”

            If you believe that you are one of the most naive people I have ever encountered.

            While it may message some capitalistic issues, it also broadcasts anything else it wants to promote, and suppresses whatever it wants. And, I might add, it is appropriate to write of it as “it” since it is virtually monolithic.

            Yes, I know about the internet.

          • RisingReich

            ‘Free Markets’ actively controlled and censored by the Tribe.
            WOW.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Jews do not control the United States. They do have a prominence far out of proportion to their numbers. That is due to their superior average IQ power.

          • Geo1metric

            There is more “superior average IQ power” among Gentiles in the US than among non-Gentiles

          • MikeofAges

            Not quite. What they have done is successfully operate under Popular Front doctrine, part of which is that you control what types of opposition to you are allowed to exist, eliminating opposition to the realm of the unavailing. I can tell you, a serious labor-oriented nationalist agenda is the very thing the Cultural Marxist fear the most. The predominant political doctrine in the era 1945-1970 was liberal nationalism, America’s milder version of the labor-nationalist agenda.

            This agenda was replaced by Progressive or Popular Front liberalism after 1970. The labor- or liberal- nationalist idea has become forbidden thought to such a degree that the Lyndon Johnson centennial passed unnoticed at the 2008 Democratic convention. The Democrats always are willing to refer to the New Deal, but the New Deal by now is ancient history. The Great Society reforms have more daily influence on American society than the New Deal. Some of what was done under the rubric of the Great Society was absurd. But other parts were not. Without the Great Society, life for poor people in America would be yet more hellish than it already is.

            But the Cultural Marxists have no answer this side of administration-loaded so-called “programs”. Sometimes they outright admit, they are “breaking eggs” to make the “omelet” of the ideal society. I know that postadolescent youth always are attracted to some overarching idea that seems to explain “everything”. But the world ought to have learned to be wary of this “ideal society” crap by now.

            The “ideal society” idea is a repackaged version of Christian postmillenialism. Conservatives always have been skeptical of human nature and human agency. Postmillenialism became an attractive contrary position and impetus to social action long before Marxism hit the scene.

          • JohnEngelman

            The New Deal was successful. The only aspect of the Great Society that worked was Medicare. The civil rights legislation was a disappointment. The War on Poverty was an obvious failure. It transformed millions of the working poor into unemployable welfare recipients. The Second World War was a just war the United States won. The War in Vietnam was an unjust war the United States lost.

            That is why Democrats are proud of the New Deal and Franklin Roosevelt. It is why Democrats are embarrassed by the Great Society and Lyndon Johnson.

          • MikeofAges

            Not nuanced enough. Among other things, universal higher education was another Johnson initiative, if you mean by that idea the possibility of attending college regardless of socioeconomic station. One of the little things I most regret a was not archiving a comprehensive list I found of all of the legislative initiatives passed and signed under Lyndon Johnson. The magnitude of the Johnson program is astounding, and very little of it had anything to do with the comic-opera inner city programs which are mocked still to this day.The idea that hereditary welfare started under Johnson is simply false. The ADC program started in the 1930s under President Roosevelt and was a big issue already in the 1950s. I was there, and I do know. The working poor became dependent instead in the 1970s because the jobs disappeared. Ever heard of the Rust Bowl?

            And what about the rest of my post, the discussion postmillenialism and the leftist utopianism? You’re great at changing the subject, but not this time.

          • Geo1metric

            ” It is why Democrats are embarrassed by the Great Society and Lyndon Johnson.”

            How do you know this?

          • Jesse James

            Where exactly does that free market of facts and ideas take place? The pathetically radical left universities? The controlled corporate and government media? The monotonously politically correct TV and movie industries? The K-12 educational system where prayer is outlawed as are many Christmas carols and even the American flag? Pulp fiction where few but flaming PC writers get considered for publishing? This site where comments disappear before you can even read the also disappeared replies? Free market for facts and ideas – yeah right.

          • JohnEngelman

            What matters are facts that can be documented.

          • Geo1metric

            ” Truth emerges from the free market for facts and ideas.”

            When there exists media as controlled as is our so-called mainstream media, there is no free market for facts and ideas.

          • Garrett Brown

            That would be because of demographic change PLUS the influence of main stream media.

          • JohnEngelman

            What would you like to do with the main stream media? Do you think the government should censor it and force it to condemn interracial marriage?

          • silviosilver

            It would be a nice views that disavowed interracial marriage and miscegenation, or at least highlighted its racial costs and explained its long-term consequences could get a fair hearing. All one hears today is celebration, as though it were an inherent good.

          • JohnEngelman

            What are the “racial costs?” Couples where one spouse is white and where one is Oriental tend to be more successful finanically than couples where both spouses are white. I am confident their children are more successful too.

          • silviosilver

            Mixing occurs not only among whites and asians but among all groups, and all groups stand to lose from the process. The cost is a dilution of identity as the mixed couple attempts to impose itself on the unmixed community. In the long run mixing is the cause of racial extinction, and the more mixing that occurs the more difficult it becomes psychologically for people to take a stand for their group’s ongoing existence.

          • David Ashton

            Notice how he shifts the debate, a second time, to government censorship, while ignoring the fact of a “private censorship” in certain politically sensitive areas (e.g. Palestine) and the obvious promotion of certain themes (e.g. black men with white girls) in the entertainment media. The phenomenon of “Red Bohemia” has transmuted into “Blue-and-White Hasbara”.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who assert the existence of private censorship, and who complain about seem to imply the need for government censorship.

            Let us assume for a minute what I of course do not believe that “the tribe” controls the mass media. What should be done about it?

          • silviosilver

            Awareness of the way that influence is used to harm white racial interests should be raised. It’s a form of social revolution. What may result is difficult to predict, just as it was when blacks first began to speak “truth to power.” That unpredictability in itself is no reason not to do what one feels to be right and honorable.

          • Garrett Brown

            The government already censors media. Media of all outlets should never have a political agenda. It’s for enjoyment and knowledge, not brainwashing.

          • Geo1metric

            A free media would be a nice start. A media where ALL ideas were equally available.

          • me

            What the ‘media’ portrays is fiction and propaganda. What the facts are can be found in surveys and government statistics. There is certainly more vulgarity in the ‘mainstream media’ and Hollywood, as well as portrayals of mixed-race couples. There’s also more sex, more profanity, more glorification of homosexuality, more drug usage, more bank robberies, more shootouts with police, more perversion, more Holocaust movies, more Nazi movies, more degradation of White males, more violence, more Black slavery movies, more stupid stereotypes, and more materialism than ever before….but it doesn’t reflect REALITY.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Mine was tested in federal prison at 152.

          • JohnEngelman

            Good for you. While you were in prison you must have been starved for intelligent conversation.

          • Garrett Brown

            How did they find Rihanna’s IQ?

          • David Ashton

            They counted the number of times her nearly naked backside moved from left to right.

          • Geo1metric

            It’s spelled out in gold inlay on her front teeth.

          • JohnEngelman

            What the media produces sells or the media would not try to sell it.

          • Geo1metric

            The sky is blue, the grass is green.

          • Young Werther

            Of course racial consciousness is declining…but only by whites. Every other race and culture brags and boasts its superiority over white culture!

          • JohnEngelman

            I have used the increase in interracial marriage as tangible evidence that racial consciousness is declining. Non whites are more likely to marry across racial lines than are whites.

          • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

            Those who produce advertisements and situation comedies do not want to offend people. They want to appeal to them.
            .
            Ads have no other purpose but to stay in your mind so that you will buy products. This is achieved by emotional manipulation, often in combination and working on several levels simultaneously. Ads will annoy you, consciously or unconsciously; offend or unsettle you; frighten you or play on your fears; make you feel virtuous for your correct opinions or even your correct identity; tweak your guilt or shame, resolve it or leave you dangling; pump up your ego or deflate it. This manipulation is broadly known in the industry as being “edgy” or having an “edge”, and it is not done randomly or in friendly fashion to titillate us. With every millisecond costing big bucks, producers look at every angle and exploit it. They are not our friends.
            .
            Case in point, that first interracial Cheerios ad. The interracial aspect simultaneously disgusts and fascinates, the alien-ness of the child compared to the mother is a jarring juxtaposition, while the situation itself makes liberals feel virtuous; but it even threw us a bone by confirming the laziness of blacks (the male was asleep on the couch while the mother took care of business). All of these things were planned, including the offensiveness. The outrage was manufactured, deliberately. The do want to offend us – me, you and everybody – but hide it behind the triviality, the cuteness, the “social progress.”
            .
            TV programming, sit-coms included, are essentially just ads for themselves. The same manipulation occurs, but spread out over a longer time frame.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            They want to sell advertisement time.

          • RisingReich

            Because the TV always depicts history and reality with full truth.
            I know you’re not that dumb.

          • LHathaway

            Marrying someone of another race could just as easily be seen as evidence of an Increased racial consciousness. They call it ‘preferences’ I think.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Solid scholarship from Salter and many others indicates that race consciousness increases with exposure to diversity. Multiculturalism decreases social trust, increases balkanization and a bunker mentality. On paper, a little diversity sounds okay because people “like to try different kinds of restaurants” and the koombaya feel of diversity promotion makes people feel warm and fuzzy…until their faces get smashed in a Knockout Game. When diversity NUMBERS swell like in California, whites become the target for victimization and crime and pain.
            I have problems here in Los Angeles on a daily basis that I would attribute to race hatred/jealousy of my white skin. Sometimes it’s overt, sometimes it’s subtle, but it’s always PRESENT.

          • Martel

            Sorry to hear that, without the left obfuscating such issues by playing down antiwhite racism eand even inspiring blacks, Hispanics and other ethnic groups to look down on whites it wouldn’t be that bad. You should put your experiences in a journal.I started doing the same a while ago, i was surprised to see how many racially inspired events I experienced.It has long been a tradition for Europeans to keep journals, it will be interesting for offspring in your family to read one day.

          • Black Swan

            John Derbyshire has no right to lecture to whites about one single thing and neither does an anti-white like you. Derbyshire is married to an Asian. Enough said.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jared Taylor thinks enough of John Derbyshire to invite him to speak at the next American Renaissance conference. I admire John Derbyshire’s good taste in his selection of a wife, and his ability to attract her.

          • Garrett Brown

            Engleman, how ecstatic were you when you found out discus would no longer display thumb downs publicly?

          • JohnEngelman

            I would like to know who the posters are who vote me down. Some people do not like my fact based and logical arguments. They do not like for their prejudices to be exposed.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Actually there are some of us who dislike your arrogance and your constant harping on E. Asians. It’s downright annoying.

          • JohnEngelman

            Then stop flaming me.

          • Martel

            You actively deny the works of MacDonald and others who researched more sensible causes of anti Semitic. You claim whites are morally inferior to Jews. I don’t see how you are fact based, you even dream about a world where the Chinese will enjoy your company as much as you crave theirs, and you seem oblivious to the fact that ethnic conflict is a feature of every multi ethnic country.

          • JohnEngelman

            If you understand what “MacDonald” wrote you ought to be able to express his arguments in your own words.

          • Martel

            Poor memory. You asked me this before, I answered and you never replied, obviously because his works shatter the leftist and Jewish myths about European anti-Semitism.

            Byron Roth, who has spoken at an American renaissance conference

          • JohnEngelman

            I have no obligation to agree with everyone who speaks at an American Renaissance conference. I enjoy quoting the speakers who agree with me.

            If by any reasonable criterion Jews tend to be morally inferior to white Gentiles, say so yourself, and document your claim.

            I have enjoyed political arguments ever since I was a child. When someone gets angry at me, and/or tells me to read a book I know I have won.

          • Martel

            I would never want to debate Tim Wise would prefer other solutions. That doesn’t mean he is right, just that he is despicable. You seem to be bragging to obfuscate the fact that you have no answer for my statements. Kevin MacDonald is correct and his analysis is a lot more convincing and better argued then your absurd claims of the moral inferiority of Europeans. This is why Byron Roth called his work ‘groundbreaking’, something which should at the very least interest you to read his work.

            I actually never made the claim that jews are morally inferior. Your memory really does seem shoddy.

          • JohnEngelman

            Stop hiding behind Kevin MacDonald and Byron Roth. Compose your own arguments.

            If Jews are not morally inferior, then what is the problem with them?

          • Martel

            I continually compose my own arguments and have explained the theories of Macdonald to you several times, and debunked the theory which you have repeated hundreds of times on Amren. I have only mentioned Roth twice but will follow your lead in repetitiveness from now on. To claim I hide behind him is preposterous, it is you who hides behind a faulty and unoriginal theory of antisemitism. The problem is that Jewish political activists have always been crucial in the movement which propagates multiculturalism, and that in general Jews hold to a theory of antisemitism which only casts judgement on gentiles while casting Jews as victims only. To claim Russians, the Polish, the German, the Hungarian, the Ukrainian, the Spanish, and many other peoples came into conflict with Jews, because they all were predisposed to ‘antisemitism’ , denying all evidence to the contrary that Jews have ignited such conflicts to the same degree, if not more, is uninformed and absurd.

          • JohnEngelman

            The problem is that Jewish political activists have always been crucial in the movement which propagates multiculturalism

            – Martel

            A whole lot of folks like multi culturalism. I miss the ethnic diversity of the San Francisco bay Area.

            Two of the most expensive cities to live in the United States are San Francisco and New York. One of the reasons it costs so much to live in those cities is that very intelligent, very well educated, and consequently very affluent people want to live there. They get jobs there and bid up housing prices. One of the things that attracts them to those cities is the ethnic diversity.

            Diversity is too broad of a topic to simply decide if it is good or bad. The central assertion of race realism is that the races are not created equal. I am very much against lowering standards for blacks and Hispanics in university admissions and hiring in order to achieve a good ethnic mix.

            At the same time Orientals and Jews do not need standards to be lowered on their behalf. All they need is a level playing field in which to compete.

          • silviosilver

            A whole lot of folks like multi culturalism.

            A whole lot of folks hate it, too. Your tastes are not inherently superior to theirs. Martel treated you with kid glove by citing only multiculturalism. He could have also used the harder hitting, bare-knuckle term multiracalism, which a whole lot of folks also despise, including the forced integration which, unchecked, will eventually spell their racial doom, a point which you try desperately to deny or obfuscate.

            Racial realism also entails recognition that races tend towards racial self-preference, that multiracialism diminishes social capital, and that racial exclusion is a requirement of long-term racial existence.

          • Martel

            New York is simply the main financial district of the United States, it is the center of the universe in a world dominated by America. There was lots of money floating around even before the Asian invasion on the scale we have seen today. I believe most white New Yorkers, including the affluent mostly spend their free time with fellow whites, and perhaps Jews. San Francisco is a draw because of its ‘hippy feel’ for lack of a more appropriate term. Diversity can indeed be a draw, but its appeal is limited, its mostly a popular theme amongst the upper middle class, social status is raised by supporting diversity. There are interesting things in itself about cultural diversity but most people only wish to see it for a limited amount of time, no different from any other attraction. This is not worth importing ethnic conflict in the long run. Many of the most intelligent blacks support double standards, they support the victim mentality of the underclass. About Hispanics, La Raza is all I need to say. Jews, just finally read Macdonald, even if you consider my suggestion another victory for some reason.The US Chinese have already produced several multimillionaires if not billionaires who service the Chinese state. The PRC will increase their grip on US Chinese, even Asians. I have many experiences with Asians who hold negative views about whites,though this is partly due to negative influences in university and college, although we have seen that Asians are now entering the grievance industry, they are organizing politically in the tradition of LA raza and the naacp, which equally little to actually complain about but a lot at stake. Conflict is brewing, I don’t see why you can’t enjoy the amount of Asians the US provides to you today, instead of wanting to import more. When diversity crosses a certain threshold, conflict arises naturally. If you truly need to be around Asians that bad, just move yourself instead of supporting future conflict.

          • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

            For most who feel a “draw” to diversity, it rarely goes beyond restaurants or the better-looking specimens of the opposite sex. Bollywood may superficially appeal to some, but actual India would repel anyone with nostrils.

          • Telemachus_1

            Umm, San Francisco and New York are some of the few safe cities in America in small part due to the very low percentage of blacks.

          • Martel

            I’m not sure when or why you decided that someone advising you to read a book signifies some sort of inexplicable victory. I advise you to read this book because you are clearly not aware of any theories and concepts which are opposed to the mainstream views on this matter. It only comes across as ignorant discussing antisemitism without having read his work, this is why Byron Roth called it ‘groundbreaking’. The theory about antisemitism you proposed time and time again is clearly incorrect. I have always been a devout supporter of Israel and Jews, until I found out how Jewish movements have always formed the vanguard of anti European movements, and how much effort the Jewish community have made to erase all signs of Jewish guilt from any discussion about antisemitism. I don’t envy wealthy Jews as I am a capitalist, I admire entrepreneurship, before I understood Jewish involvement in shaping immigration policy and politically correct activism, I did not have a single negative feeling about any Jew.Therefore I can appreciate how ludicrously wrong you are. Read about opposing views, you may learn something.

          • JohnEngelman

            You can tell me to read a book. Then I will tell you to read a book. Then you tell me to read two books. Soon we will be throwing books back and forth.

            What about all the capitalists who are promoting open borders?

          • Martel

            This answer does nothing to explain your childish comment about claiming victory over me advising you to read a book. Its a book you clearly need to read because your single, obviously flaw theory, which does not even explain my activism, is becoming trite and you would benefit from learning more about these issues without feeling as defensive as you do in discussions such as these.

            There is no book on antisemitism you have read which would be ofuse to me as they will probably simply defend the status quo. Nothing in your arguments convinced me you have a unique perspective on this matter, but if you want to give me suggestions I will not suddenly climate victory. About capitalism, it is simply profitable for them to import cheap labour, major corporations find it difficult to increase profits by innovating new products or penetrating the market any further, so they need to cut costs. They find many allies in the political establishment who help them to promote this message.

          • David Ashton

            I decided that “debating” with a human gramophone is a waste of time since he “knows the truth” and is actually impervious to refutation, however logical and factual. He simply refuses to read anything that might shake his views. On other hand, to expose his dogmatism to third-party readers, as you have been doing, is highly desirable.

          • Martel

            Thank you, I don’t mind debating someone who also in my eyes is not here to learn, it frustrated me in the past but when you understand most people are naturally endowed with a racial consciousness, regardless of their current political leanings, but that there are also some exceptions, miscreants, evolutionary anomalies such as Engelman, such frustrations dissolve immediately.

            I see my debates with him as futile as debating a Tim Wise or a Susan Sontagg, but I would like to know what caliber ammunition my opponents are hiding and it further helps me to understand the psychology behind such deviations.

            What does bother me is moderators deleting comments unless they are particularly vile or call for violence.

          • Geo1metric

            What bothers me is moderators deleting comments which obviously do not violate the site’s own standards for commenting which are posted at the top of the site.

          • JohnEngelman

            The point I keep making about the Jews is that they tend to be more intelligent and consequently more prosperous than Gentiles, but that they do not tend to be less moral by any respectable criterion. I can easily document that on a single computer screen using material I have found on this website. No one has been able to refute those assertions.

          • Geo1metric

            There are more intelligent non-Jews in the US than intelligent Jews.

          • Garrett Brown

            Actually, that’s them proclaiming they’re more educated than you in a subject. It is then your responsibility to show them you are not. You however, hardly ever do that.

          • JohnEngelman

            On the internet anyone can proclaim anything. What matters is what they demonstrate in their comments.

          • Garrett Brown

            They aren’t proclaiming to be anything themselves. They’re backing up their arguments with their individual knowledge. Which, with what direction the world is heading into now, makes much more sense than your argument.

          • Geo1metric

            “What matters is what they demonstrate in their comments.”

            Actually, that doesn’t matter at all. You are who you are regardless of what you try to be on this site.

          • Geo1metric

            Then don’t take any suggestions to learn and continue to wallow in your obvious ignorance.

          • SoulInvictus

            Same here. And their worst critics are their own truth tellers.
            Which is why Two Hundred Years Together still isn’t published in English I believe…

          • Martel

            It is not, I am currently reading an extensive review by Udo Walendy, which is quite interesting. Its available for free as a PDF online.

          • SoulInvictus

            ” When someone gets angry at me, and/or tells me to read a book I know I have won.”

            Maybe so, or maybe it’s childlike smugness (typical lefty trait) and the person is exasperated with the futility of trying impart wisdom upon you, and in throwing up their hands, offers the advice of a particular book so that maybe you can find your way to it on your own.
            Infuriating someone and getting literature advice is no sign of being right. It’s definitely a sign that you failed to be persuasive or sympathetic though. I can absolutely see how most of your “debates” meet with that result. Hilarious that you see that as “winning”.

            You don’t make me angry, just tired and bored. You’re nothing new, definitely not enlightening, and if I want your perspective I can just watch the Daily Show or any other jewish multicult infotainment media. At least they manage to be funny with it sometimes.

          • JohnEngelman

            You don’t make me angry, just tired and bored.

            – SoulInvictus

            Then go away.

          • SoulInvictus

            Precisely my advice to you but you persist in contaminating the development process for potential compatriots of ours (not yours) here. Or do you not see that sentiment in the vast majority of responses to you…

          • JohnEngelman

            On disqus you have 1,494 upvotes and 1,154 comments. This gives you a ratio of 1.29 upvotes to comments.

            I have 33,724 upvotes to 11,476 comments. This gives me a ratio of 2.93 upvotes to comments.

            That is twice yours. One the things I like about American Renaissance is that there are many posters here who appreciate my fact based and logical arguments, and my courteous response to insults.

          • SoulInvictus

            Yes, the warm reception of your attitude and views is on display in this and every other thread you post on…
            I only happened upon Amren this past year. I gave up fighting the good fight on sites like Alternet, especially after getting blacklisted for championing the Constitution. So I’m more surprised my ratio isn’t negative, and wouldn’t care if it was, nor do I feel validated that it’s positive. Happy for you that your need for public approval is sated on discus.
            So yes, you’ve been here longer and as previously stated you always hedge just shy of flame inducement, then deflect and misdirect (like deflecting to discussing stats instead of your views that everyone on this thread is pooping on) so your upvotes probably do manage to float your philosophical turds into a positive ratio. Also, I typically notice a lot of “guest” upvotes on your posts, not people who actually participate here, or that would want to be associated with your beliefs.

          • Garrett Brown

            LOL! How old are you?

            I would love to see your down vote ratio. It’s most definitely the highest among the members of this site.

          • Spartacus

            If comment/upvote ratio is an argument, then it means I’m right in anything we argue about. Yay !

          • Geo1metric

            It is astounding that you are actually keeping score!!! Get a life, dude.

          • Martel

            He is right, you were unable to provide a convincing argument against me.But, you tell yourself you have won because I advised a book which would clearly inform you about issues you are unaware of. It is a childish way to determine victory, a victory which simply does not exist. I also don’t get why you think I got mad at you, unless you were making a general statement, I’m comfortably dismantling the myths you repeat, seemingly unaware that none of those conclusions are your own.

          • silviosilver

            I only downvote your most outrageous posts, probably less than once per thread, though I believe your every utterance merits being immediately bombarded by 56 downvotes. It my position you deserve to be run off this site. Other posters can make up for your admittedly articulate and on target comments regarding blacks.

          • Geo1metric

            “…on target comments regarding blacks.”

            He throws those comments in to bolster his “upvote” ratio and /or to bolster his anti-black bona fides.

            I try hard to avoid responding to his ridiculous statements. I think he is here to deflect, confuse, and push his multi-cult socialist agenda.

          • JohnEngelman

            As a race realist I believe in innate racial inequality. I find some races to be admirable, and others to be not admirable.

          • David Ashton

            Even his views on blacks are based on a couple of unfortunate experiences. He extrapolates from the personal to the general. He liked Chinese girls better than any others so he likes China. He “loves the Jews, Israel and Judaism” (his words) so will not listen to anything adverse about them. He then has the audacity to imply that his critics lack logic or evidence, or are rationalizing their own prejudice, when they draw attention in vain to works of scholarship (easily obtainable) that might broaden his mind on various issues.

          • JohnEngelman

            One can speak adversely of this or that Jew, but not of the entire people. They merit respect and earn their prosperity.

          • SoulInvictus

            I downvote you because you post disinformation and discouraging garbage half the time. I wish it did show who downvotes you because I’m sure not ashamed of it.
            I also don’t make a general practice of DVing people I disagree with as I welcome differing opinions for the most part.
            But you remind me of the Addison guy that post on SBPDL. You don’t bring thought provoking contrasts and serve only to give token representation to the same junk we have to hear promoted daily in media.

          • JohnEngelman

            If this is true: “You don’t bring thought provoking contrasts and serve only to give token representation to the same junk we have to hear promoted daily in media,” why do I have such an easy time substantiating my arguments with material I find on this website?

          • SoulInvictus

            Not in anything you’ve ever written in response to me. All I see is the same tiresome misdirection to some other topic besides what you were originally called out on (as with this post).
            I guess you find substantiation in asian test taking and crime stats vs blacks and a large population of whites that are not wealthy and thus bogged down in the black undertow.
            That’s your chorus, we’ve all heard it. It’s not untrue, but it’s also not relevant to the sentiments here as demonstrated by …Every poster that responds to you.
            No one is here to trumpet asian intelligence (except you) and national identity. They already have their ethnically homogenous and exclusive countries. We don’t, and that is what is by and large addressed here.
            Views like yours are part of why that is the case to begin with. And that is why you are disliked here.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am disliked by those who dislike my frequently expressed admiration for Jews and Orientals. I do not condemn white Gentiles. They are fine.

            Some people just simply need to hate. This is what Eric Hoffer wrote about them:

            “We hate others when we hate ourselves.”

            “Hatred, malice, rudeness, intolerance, and suspicion are the faults of weakness. The resentment of the weak does not spring from any injustice done to them but from their sense of inadequacy and impotence.”

            “Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.”

          • silviosilver

            Equating racial self-preference and a desire to racially live on with “hate” is standard anti-white fare.

            “Passionate desire to race-replace whites in the name of a glorious – but fallacious – high IQ future can give meaning and purpose to an empty life.”

          • Martel

            Most leftists who hate themselves cling to multiculturalism, they admire blacks and Arabs exactly because they can’t stand their own. Many examples can be named, though I’m sure there is no Eric Hofder quote which would explain their behaviour. You actually do condemn whites actively, this is my only problem with you, though this puts you far below the likes of Sharpton, any Rabbi or Tim Wise in my view,

          • JohnEngelman

            I condemn white bigots. I won’t say “white racists” because the charge of white racism has been used against Charles Murray, J. Philippe Rushton, and Richard Lynn, whom I agree with.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Calling anyone a Gentile makes you the bigot.

          • Martel

            Unfortunately, you have cast a wide net in terms of condemning ‘white bigots’ and anyone who slightly resembles them. I don’t believe in ‘white bigots’ myself, I consider them a figment of the imagination of a confused and irresponsible generation. In the Netherlands, where I hail from, there was an incident not to long ago. Gordon, a homosexual celebrity hosting some sort of television show I care little about, made a joke to one of the Chinese contestants after auditioning about ordering Chinese food and his accent. The Chinese contestant, looked as timid and motionless as the Chinese tend to do during the remarks, but later started to complain. Not only this, about 30 Dutch Chinese restaurants protested at this discrimination, which I can only interpret as a harmless joke. Many articles where written claiming Gordon to be a ‘white bigot’. This sensitivity is one of the reasons I despise diversity, I refuse to allow immigrants to dictate what the Dutch can or cannot mock, or in any way influence our habits and politics.

            Either how, you do not condemn just those who can somewhat rationally be refered to as ‘white bigots’, you tend to aim at whites simply wanting to preserve the demographic composition, whites who wish to curtail immigration, and you continually portray whites as morally inferior.

          • JohnEngelman

            On a number of occasions on this website I have said that I favor locating and deporting all illegal immigrants. I am in favor of punishing their employers. I am opposed to HiB Visas. As long as the economy is stagnant I am in favor of reducing legal immigration.

          • Martel

            You really should study ethnic conflict with greater interest. I just gave a small example of ethnic tension in the Netherlands between the Dutch and Chinese immigrants and in another reply I commented about the Chinese in the US entering the grievance industry. Ethnic conflict is not directly related to the average iqs of ethnic groups occupying the same territory. Human evolution is more complex, we have evolved to stick to our own, and our cultural preferences give us different views on how to shape a society, another source of conflict. And even if your theory is correct, it ffollows that those on the lower end of the bell curve of both Asians, Blacks, Whites and Hispanics are likely to enter a conflict, changing the ethnic composition of society therefore is a risky, dangerous undertaking. If intelligent Asians integrate and follow the white trends in birthrate, the unintelligent underclass of all ethnic groups is bound to increase in size in comparison,again, inflating the risk of conflict, which I can only term unavoidable even at this stage.

          • David Ashton

            The Nordic Episcopalian quotes Eric Hoffer yet again. Why should Hoffer have some specially greater authority than the many other authors that I and others have recommended over many months? Not to say these particular quotes are themselves wrong-headed, but they are evidence of the self-limitations of JE’s library – bits of Lynn, Rushton, Derbyshire, the Bible (which he has completely read in 7 different translations), and a few others that are trotted out along with the same old verbatim sentences that are recycled later instead of proper counter-arguments at the time. The only interesting stuff he has produced was on martial arts.

          • Martel

            Well written quotes pack a powerful punch, they tend to produce an aura whichdulls the mind and provides legitimacy to the arguments of the user. I’m not impressed though, I m only familiar with Hoffer through Engelman, and anyone else unfamiliar with the psychology behind ethnic conflict could have made similar faulty explanations.

          • David Ashton

            Hoffer’s book is a collection of mostly plausible assertions from which Our Mutual Fiend selects (repeatedly, of course) a few bits that suit his argument. One might just as well (or even better) quote eat neat aphorisms from (say) LeBon. (Or Nietzsche, Shaw, Wilde, Mencken, Chesterton, Groucho Marx.) Even Stalin, Hitler and Mussolini made a few pithy remarks.

          • JohnEngelman

            Today the Jew is seen as intelligent, and so to an extent he has been so at all times.

            – Adolf Hitler, from Mein Kempf

          • silviosilver

            As long as the economy is stagnant I am in favor of reducing legal immigration.

            At best this is no more than a “die slower” model, which is only marginally less insane than the “die fast” model.

          • silviosilver

            Some people just simply need to hate.

            And just people just need to lie, because the truth is of no assistance to their cause. Such people have an adversarial relationship with the facts of reality.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those of us who admire Jews and Orientals need only to tell the truth about them.

          • silviosilver

            That whites will be better off by being racially replaced by other races is a lie, regardless of those other races’ positive qualities.

          • Geo1metric

            This site is to advocate for Whites. Admiring Jews and Orientals can easily be done elsewhere.

          • WR_the_realist

            Jared Taylor regards Jews as a subset of whites. And so do I.

          • David Ashton

            Of course, but what can you say in any case to someone who only admires and can see no faults whatever in ethnic collectives other than their own?

          • Martel

            You don’t substantiate your arguments, any unbiased observer of our discussions about antisemitism would see you simply repeating an incoherent,flawed and unoriginal theory against someone who is actually informed. Whether the Jews actually have a higher IQ is irrelevant in discussing the Jewish-ethnic conflict. The Arabs have slaughtered many Black Africans, the immorality of such events should not be ignored because blacks are less intelligent.

          • Geo1metric

            There is a difference between “substantiating” and merely “advocating”.

          • LACountyRedneck

            I’ve voted you down many times. Whites are not at the top of your racial priority list based on the anti-White statements you’ve made on this site and elsewhere. So now it simply takes a little longer for newcomers to realize what John Engelman is all about.

          • JohnEngelman

            Decent people can be found in all races. One of the most fascinating friends I ever had was a black college professor who taught at Howard University.

          • Geo1metric

            “Decent people can be found in all races.”

            The sky is blue, the grass is green.

          • silviosilver

            This is tasteless goading. Since you are not a friend of this site I will respond just as tastelessly: if you envy Derybshire’s ability to attract the women he married I think people can rest assured that you are in no danger of following through on your miscegenationist desires.

          • JohnEngelman

            To the contrary, I love this site. Have you read the article I wrote for it?

          • silviosilver

            No, I haven’t. Did you write it under the name of John Engelman? I will search for it.

          • JohnEngelman

            The title is “Genetically Tamed?”

          • David Ashton

            It is derivative and as fresh as a dead daisy.

          • Martel

            You envy someone for attracting a woman you will never meet, at twice my age? Odd.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Seventy years of massive BRAINWASHING and media control have taken their toll. Just wait until these same people have actual real life run ins with diversity. I was a hippie liberal before I got my job in the hood, and I learned FAST that non-whites primary concern is RACE.

          • JohnEngelman

            By “the hood” you mean a black neighborhood. Blacks can be dangerous. I hope nothing bad happened to you.

            Nevertheless, the core insight of race realism is that the races differ significantly in average behavior and ability levels.

            When I lived among poor Vietnamese war refugees in downtown San Jose, California I was perfectly safe. I enjoyed the presence of the Vietnamese people and their culture.

          • JohnEngelman

            Brainwashing does not exist in a country like the United States. It did not even really exist in North Korean prisoner of war camps, for which the concept was first invented. Nearly all American prisoners of war taken during the Korean War returned to the United States when the war was over. A fairly large number of Communist prisoners of war refused to go back to Communist China and North Korea.

            Social changes are not imposed on a resentful public by a powerful but small elite. They happen for complex reasons. They happen when individuals on their own begin to adopt different values and behavior.

            Political propaganda only works when it tells people what they want to believe, or know to be true in their lives. That is why working with blacks hardened your attitude toward them. It is why living with Orientals increased my admiration for them.

          • Martel

            Fortunately, historical documentation tells us something different, not just domestically, is has long been known that the Soviets attempted to subvert the United States by enforcing white guilt and the acceptance of minority nationalism. Stasi operations in Europe where notorious for doing the same thing. Byron Roth mentions how racial conflict in the US became the new struggle for cultural Marxists, this strain is still particularly popular in universities today, the radicals claim capitalism divides ethnicities, and have produced large amounts of propaganda enforcing such views. You should finally catch up on your Kevin MacDonald literature.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Nice try, decent obfuscation to try to derail the facts that I am already aware of and have studied in depth for many many years.

          • SoulInvictus

            “Brainwashing does not exist in a country like the United States.”

            You are just a fountain of disinformation aren’t you…
            It takes balls or total delusion to say that ON a site that regularly documents the white guilt machine and anti-tradition trends of the media and Feds…

          • JohnEngelman

            This site also regularly documents that Jews and Orientals perform and behave well.

          • SoulInvictus

            Total dodge of your statement
            “Brainwashing does not exist in a country like the United States.”
            Misdirection and half truths, exactly what I would expect from you.

            Keep admiring the moneychangers in the temple.
            It’s apparently what you do best.
            Just don’t expect anyone here with any experience to buy it.

          • Martel

            Jared Taylor explained why he does not touch on the Jewish question, this is a strategical decision not because he shares your convictions. Even Byron Roth who admires Macdonald’s work hardly gets into these issues. But again just read something out of your comfort zone. Your statements on propaganda makes me doubt if you even read literature produced by the founder of Amren.

          • silviosilver

            His claims have been refuted many times previously. He clams up only to resurface on new threads and presents the same claims in unaltered form. This behavior would be classified as trollish by most sites.

          • Brutus

            You may have different definitions of “brainwashing.” Mr. Engelman seems to be referring to it in a very literal sense — think “A Clockwork Orange” — and you are thinking about it in a softer, but still dangerous and unethical, sense of media manipulation of public opinion. So I would say that you’re both right.

          • SoulInvictus

            For adults, it is the subtle omnipresence of the media messaging.
            Black on white crime is played way down.
            White identity is discouraged while every other group is praised and elevated.
            The mere fact of the conditioned response that the public would have to a white politician/public figure saying, I’m proud to be white, of the heritage of my forefathers, and my group has specific interests deserving of representation (boos and “that’s rayciss”) versus black/jew/gay/arab/indian/etc saying the same (applause and likely legal protection or Fed financial support), really says it all.

            For kids, the most impressionable, I see it as overt and sinister.
            Pump their brains with fiction like Schindler’s List and 12 Years a Slave, then continue the bombardment with Ignatiev’s in their college years.
            No, they’re not strapping people down and prying their eyes open in reeducation camps, but then children don’t need to be when they’re vulnerable and the indoctrination is systemic.

            Then there’s the stick end of things where they ruin your career if you dare to think otherwise.
            Someone made the point to me on SBPDL that caused a mini-epiphany, no other individual than a young white male is encouraged from birth not to think of loyalty to his group, to pride himself in the accomplishments of his people, essentially to hate who he is and what he’s come from because they’re to blame for all the world’s evil. It is absolutely perverse as Western Civilization, while imperfect, has indisputably been the light of the world that every other people and civilization has fed on and is in the process of devouring to raise themselves.

          • Brutus

            It’s one thing to admire Orientals — even to think that they are better than us; it’s another to want large numbers of them to live in our countries. Orientals make different kinds of societies from those made by Whites — not necessarily worse, not necessarily better, but different, though I happen to think that White culture, at its best, is the best. Whites deserve places where we can be us.

          • https://politicallogical.wordpress.com/ WideBridge

            Bingo. Warning light. Part of what you wrote is extremely ugly and misleading.
            Social change indeed happens because of a complex spread of ideas and experiences in a vast complex system of ideas in and between people’s minds. However, “individuals on their own” begin to adopt values and behavior because of systems of ideas and explanations put into their heads by various means. At least that is the case for the masses of people in the horrifying world we live in today.
            To the readers questioning Engleman’s comments, focus in on the slippery usage of the phrase “on their own.” The phrase is being used to shift responsibility away from a big, big source of our problems. This is very false and harmful logic for our side.

          • JohnEngelman

            It is probably satisfying to believe that social changes you dislike, such as the growing practice and approval of interracial marriage, are due to “a big, big source” of your problems. It that is true, all you have to do is defeat that big, big source.

            When Jerry Falwell started his organization in 1979 he named it “the Moral Majority.” He claimed that social changes he and I disliked, such as the sexual revolution, and the decline in church attendance, were due to a small, but powerful elite of “secular humanists.”

            Presumably these secular humanists were meeting in sub basements in Georgetown in order to conspire on how to force Americans to stay home Sunday morning, and to have sex with folks they weren’t married to.

            The truth is that more Americans were doing that because they wanted to. Political opinion polls indicated that Rev. Falwell was one of the more unpopular public figures during the 1980’s.

            If one is a political activist it helps to believe that the majority already agree with one, but lacks leadership and focus, or one should believe that the majority would agree if only they listened to one’s arguments.

            In a country as free and democratic as the United States this is seldom if ever true. The United States did not get this way by accident. Currently most Americans would like a better economy. They would like for their economic circumstances to improve. Nevertheless, there is little support for fundamental political changes.

            For a political activist reading opinion surveys can be a dispiriting activity.

          • SoulInvictus

            Ding ding ding. Exposure is the best remedy for crystal methodism.
            Five minutes of close proximity to a black mob (or most any minority filled neighborhood/town/city) cures a lifetime of “can’t we all just get along” indoctrination. Assuming you live through it and escape without permanent injury.
            The most openly racist people I’ve met are white, teen-20’s Detroit area residents. There goes Engelman’s, all racists are old/dying out theory.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who blame “BRAINWASHING and media control,” for attitudes they dislike are saying in effect, “Most people are too stupid to know what is best for them, but I have the intelligence to know what is best for me, and for them.”

          • Nancy Thomas

            You have no intellectual honesty. The things we have been talking about here are obvious to all.

          • silviosilver

            John Derbyshire may be sincere, but he is a fundamentally compromised racialist. Only a fool would neglect the inherent bias his mixed offspring introduce to his outlook.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am confident that John Derbyshire’s children are performing well in school, and that they will be successful adults.

            Keep in mind that interracial marriage is the growing trend.

            Couples where one spouse is Oriental, and the other is white tend to be more successful than couples where both couples are white.

          • silviosilver

            I am confident that whites following John Derybshire’s example will seal the fate of white people on planet earth. Don’t you think that permanently rubbing out an entire branch of humankind should be justified by more than your reasonable faith that John Derbyshire’s children will grow up to be successful adults? Your position essentially reduces to John Derbyshire has nice kids therefore the white race must perish. But why, Engelman, why must the white race perish? If the John Derbyshire’s and John Engelman’s of the world can indulge their appetite for miscegenation and whites can secure a racial future for themselves why do you insist on only the former and deny any permission to the latter? You must have some reason, and I want to know what it is.

          • JohnEngelman

            Excuse me. How am I denying whites the right to marry other whites? What part of the word “freedom” don’t you understand?

          • silviosilver

            In the long run racial existence requires racial exclusion. An insistence that whites accept non-whites into their gene pool denies whites the right to racial exclusion and thus in turns denies whites the right to a racial future. And as has been pointed out to you, the process of extinction is painful in its own right – watching one’s race’s numbers dwindle, watching one’s culture and heritage rubbished, watching one’s people being subjected to violence and derision, and so on.

          • Garrett Brown

            What part of “birth rates” do you not understand?

          • David Ashton

            Provide substantial documentation of the last statement with all sample and statistically variables included. Don’t just refer us to the sources. Spell out the details at length here in accurate summary as you expect everyone else to do for you.

          • me

            Immature minds that don’t reach any kind of maturity before the age of twenty-five are to be excused. Unless you’re twenty-five or younger, you’re naivety about race and multicultural dysfunction is inexcusable. There are motivations behind most of what Jewish people state as ‘fact’. Just because people like Derbyshire understand the problems that non-Blacks have with Black racism and entitlement does not mean that he’s NOT as anti-White European as the Blacks themselves…

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Race isn’t a social construct, society is a racial construct.

          • Martel

            This summarizes my argument. Racial consciousness is a psychological phenomenon which is little different from the egotistical ‘survival instinct’ or maternal instincts. As Taylor has demonstrated, there is ample evidence that Europeans suffer from pathological altruism which is the force behind our preference for democratic societies, something not shared by Asians, Arabs or Africans who have not evolved similarly.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Yes, because as hunter gatherers we had no use for ethnocentrism since it would not aid in our survival struggle, whereas the ME groups are collective by nature.

          • SoulInvictus

            We’re quick learners though. ;)
            And ours usually manifests with armies…

          • silviosilver

            They may not be pathologically altruistic but all the same they are not taking any steps to safeguard their racial existence.

          • Sick of it

            If by race you mean the original concept of nation or tribe, I agree 100%.

        • Black Swan

          Wait until whites no longer control the water or food supply and our land is confiscated for non-whites.

          • Nancy Thomas

            Which has already happened here in California. Whites here are SURELY racially aware because it’s key to survival.

          • Martel

            Good point, every American white knows how to circumvent his localghettos.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        Ah, but whites are being replaced. Their birth rates are declining and they are decreasing as a percentage of the American population, whereas the population of 3rd world immigrants is growing explosively and threatens to reduce whites to minority status.

        Further, using Hindus in the US as an example of a model minority is a joke. If you take the richest people from any society, you end up with a wealthy minority; if you encourage only people with university degrees to immigrate, you end up with a highly educated minority. Unlike Orientals, Hindus are not capable of creating stable, prosperous societies. They do not succeed wherever they go.

      • Black Swan

        Congratulations for writing the most misinformed, disingenuous post on the entire forum. You are obviously an anti-white troll, most likely a lackey for Tim Wise or Abe Foxman of the ADL.

        No wonder people here call for your ouster. What is your point? To remind whites how bad they are and that they have no right to keep a homeland for themselves? Do you say the same thing about Asians, that they should share their resources and living space with the white race?

        All human history involves groups competing against one another in the most violent manner possible for living space and resources and this includes Asians. If you were better educated, you would certainly know this truth.

        You are woefully lacking in knowledge about human nature and believe what the cultural Marxists tell you that human nature is malleable and that race doesn’t matter. What they’re not telling you is that this only applies to the white race, for Jews, it means Israel gets to remain a Jewish-only nation with no others welcome.

      • Sick of it

        Have you ever met a Hindu from India? Seriously, I’m starting to wonder about some of your comments. And regarding my own, I grew up around Vietnamese people (as well as East Indians).

        • JohnEngelman

          Yes.

          I lived with Vietnamese in downtown San Jose, California for several years. I liked them a lot.

          • Martel

            They did not like you, or they would have brought you into the fold, they probably knew how much you crave for Asian tail. You were definitely not on “daddy’s list” when the Vietnamese girls picked their hubbies.

          • JohnEngelman

            While I lived in the San Francisco Bay area I dated a Vietnamese woman, and two Chinese women. They introduced me to their families. I introduced them to my parents.

          • Martel

            Must have been difficult dealing with that much disappointment.

          • David Ashton

            You need to study the Nordic Episcopalian Human Gramophone to avoid being caught out! He just loves “Oriental” girls the most, and has done since pubescence (he told us so). Whether he can tell the difference between a Nancy Kwan or an Amy Chua, and the Dragon Ladies of the internet, or whether they would want him, who knows or cares?

          • Geo1metric

            Did you date White women?

          • AndrewInterrupted

            And they were all scamming the Refugee Act of 1980 the whole time, just like the Cambodians in Lowell, Massachusetts. There are several easily exploited loop-holes in that travesty of a bill.

      • Nancy Thomas

        We’re not GETTING high quality “immigrants!!!!”

        We’re getting hostile low IQ invaders who import poverty and crime and drugs and mayhem.

      • silviosilver

        Whites may not be replaced “the way American Indians were,” but are undoubtedly being replaced and will in the fullness of time be completely replaced. Replacement by east and south asians may perhaps be less painful than replacement by blacks or hispanics but it’s the latter doing the replacing; and in any case, replacement by asians would not be socially painless.

        The products of miscegenation with asians are almost as racially alienating as the unmixed originals, whereas miscegenation with non-white caucasoids creates people who are perceived as racial familiars by whites. Neither case is acceptable to WNs, but the social experience of replacement by the latter would strike the average white as less alienating than replacement by asiatics.

        Indeed, asian-white hybrids are more painful than unmixed asians because asians know to stay away from places where they’re not appreciated whereas as hybrids are keener to socially mix/intrude. There are enormous numbers of asians where I live yet come the weekend I scarcely see any because they know to frequent their own venues.

        Racial consciousness is both declining and increasing. White self-abnegators who earlier tended to restrict their activities to little more than talking points now increasingly demonstrate their commitment to their stated ideals by engaging in miscegenation. On the other hand, some two generations of whites are beginning to shake off the misinformation they’ve been soaked in for fifty years and coming to understand the explanatory power of race, to appreciate the value of racial-cultural belonging, and the nature of the racial stakes.

        • JohnEngelman

          Orientals are welcome in the best universities, the best corporations, and the best neighborhoods. So are Jews.

          • silviosilver

            That is beside the point. Since you know it’s beside the point I must assume you have no effective response to the points I made.

          • JohnEngelman

            It is the point. You claim that Orientals are not welcome in the United States. Then why are they so prominent at the best universities, the best corporations, and the best neighborhoods?

          • silviosilver

            They are welcome in the institutions which support and promote anti-whitism, certainly. That they are welcome company in the best neighborhoods is less certain, but since a large part of this demographic supports race-replacement it is necessary to appear welcoming. It is not my impression at all that the great mass of people shares such views.

            Also, I should have made it clear that Asians do not merely keep away from venues where they feel unappreciated; they also positively gravitate to venues they find racially nourishing. They enjoy their own racial company. I have spent a few evenings at Chinese nightclubs. The crowd was not at all hostile, but I didn’t get the impression that anyone was being more than perfunctorily welcoming. You may claim that this is because my “racism” must have been shining through, but this is refuted by the genuine affection shown to me many times by the increasing number of blacks who are showing up at venues I frequent. My dislike of blacks as a group greatly exceeds my dislike of asians as a group, but I do not despise blacks who are being friendly to me as individuals. If my “racism” were the determining factor these blacks should wish to have nothing to do with me, yet they strike up conversations with me and since I am a sociable person I respond positively and – to my surprise, I admit – I have found myself having a few rounds of drinks with them. I have experienced nothing of the sort with asians.

          • JohnEngelman

            They are welcome in the institutions which support and promote anti-whitism, certainly.

            – silviosilver

            The best universities and corporations in the United States are not anti white. They are in favor of personal merit. If you visit one of them you will see that the place is swarming with Orientals.

          • silviosilver

            They are foursquare in favor of the following anti-white policies:
            – anti-white discrimination in hiring and student placement
            – anti-white immigration policy
            – anti-white cultural standards
            – anti-white identity politics

            The universities I have attended have indeed been swarming with asians. Fortunately, their tendency to keep to themselves mitigates in part their distressingly high numbers.

      • Aditya Vivek Barot

        The “East Indians” you describe are the 21st Century’s “Bengali Babu.” They are wholly enamored with American (read: white) prosperity and power and, for the most part, seething with envy.

        They have a twisted inferiority-superiority complex. Every day, they tell their children to not behave like “goras” (whites) and remind them that they are better than “goras.”

        They neither understand nor care for the cultural underpinning of these United States. They care for neither their neighbor nor the soil of these United States.

        This is a place where they make money and use that to try and sleep with white girls. When either (or both) ambition is satisfied, they leave for Hindustan so that they can use Dollars to live like a Rajah (King.).

        How many Hindu philanthropic endeavors can you name? What is the percentage of Hindus in the US Armed Forces? Negligible. They build obscene temples in India (and the US) or they pour money into vanity projects in India. They give nothing back to the US.

        A nation is more than a boarding house or a counting house. America is more than Wall Street and Silicon Valley. It is depressing that a wog like me has to bring this to your attention.

        • JohnEngelman

          Aditya Vivek Barot ,

          Because you come from India you may be able to tell me, documenting your assertion, how the rates of crime and illegitimacy for East Indians compares with that of white Gentiles. I suspect that the rates are lower. That is what I care about.

          Otherwise, your criticisms of East Indians are undocumented generalities. I am sure some East Indians deserve your criticisms, and that others do not.

          I appreciate the presence of East Indians in the United States, just as I appreciate the presence of Orientals and Jews.

          The sacred writings of Hinduism are vaster than the Bible. Nevertheless, I have read parts of the Upanishads and the Rig Veda in translation. The Ramayana fascinates me. I also enjoy Indian restaurants.

      • Tim_in_Indiana

        I wouldn’t say Whites and Orientals get along so well. The few Orientals I knew in school seemed somewhat foreign and alien to me, and I found it harder to relate to them than other Whites.

      • RisingReich

        You know what I want to see, Engleman? I want to see YOUR home county, YOUR home city, and the company YOU work for, flooded with ‘high IQ immigrants’. Yes – all the ones you LOVE so much.
        Like to see how your outlook changes or how it doesn’t since you’re so indoctrinated.

        • David Ashton

          He has now added East Indians to the minorities he loves and wants more of in the USA. He personally loves Indian, Chinese, Jewish and even Mexican food – so what?

    • David Ashton

      Yes, how can “borders, language, culture” be completely disembodied from biology?

  • Transpower

    The more Hispanics come here, the more like Central and South America our country will become.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      It is the destiny of the United States to become a typical South American oligarchy ruled by corrupt mestizo caudillos with shiny medals all over their jackets. The irony is that even after the transformation of the US into a 3rd world country ruled by a non-white congress, whitey will still be blamed for all of the nation’s failures. Expect non-whites to become even more hostile and aggressive as whites lose power and influence in their own country. The remaining whites will be considered “racist” for not wanting to produce racially hybridized offspring with the non-white majority. Non-whites will then vote to dispossess whites. What was once a “soft” genocide will become a “hard” genocide.

      • Max

        Blacks who can read will long for the days when whites ran the show if the Mexicans take over. They will not be pleased to share their newfound power and concomitant wealth with Africans.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Complete with rape, murder, torture, tyranny, nepotism and a few owning everything while everyone else starves and lives in squalor.

    • MBlanc46

      We’ll be just another banana republic, but without the bananas.

  • Dave4088

    I’ve written off the Republican party as their leading luminaries are now on board with race replacement. Rand Paul is the most recent and prime example. His selling out has paid dividends as he’s now the CPAC straw poll winner and somewhat of a media darling.

    To a man, the Republicans are self serving, cynical and corrupt. It’s time for a new nation and a new form government with honorable and capable men.

    • jackryanvb

      Well said. But, lot’s of luck trying to express this truth to those in the Libertarian Constitutionalist Ron and Rand Paul cult.

      The key to understanding this cult, is to understand, yeah, it’s a cult. It’s power is not based on reason, facts, fair arguments.

      Those at the top of the cult are rewarded with wealth, fame, probably various types of sex, other pleasures. Those in the bulk of the cult have to give to the cult, defend the cult. Those who are thinking of leaving e cult, or who do leave are brutally marginalized and persecuted.

      Once in, never out.

      Ron Paul and now Rand Paul have been running continuously for President of the United States since 1988′ never winning a single state primary. Economic Conservatism, Libertarianism is a sure fire loser in Presidential politics,it always loses. Why does this R&R Libertarian cult to on running for President of the United States for 26 straight years?

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Economic Conservatism, Libertarianism is a sure fire loser in Presidential politics

        Except for Reagan.

        With a few caveats:

        Unlike Rand Paul, Reagan never promised to let the whole world in and give them work visas. (However, he did give us 1986). And Reagan, while he somewhat campaigned on free trade, actually gave us some protectionist policies on the counsel of Pat Buchanan. And if he was alive today, Reagan wouldn’t be deliberately confusing people on the matter of drones. If he tried at all, he’d be a lot better at communicating the right message about it, the message you and I both already know.

      • Grantland

        Rubbish.

    • MBlanc46

      I’d say it’s time for self-government.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    The problem is most of these so-called conservatives we have in high places are fake conservatives. They are genocidal enemies of the white race and must be destroyed along with all others who do not bother hiding their genocidal intentions against us. The only thing they are trying to “conserve” are their hoards, their status, their positions. NOT preserve America, it’s native population, or that which made America once the envy of the world.

  • Black Swan

    “According to press reports, two of the panelists were Hispanic”

    It’s over for CPAC. It’s been infiltrated and taken over by the enemies of the white race, just like National Review. Scrap it and start over.

    As for why Somalia, Congo, Haiti and Eritrea are war-torn hell holes one need only look at the low IQ population there and the policies of each country. They are anarchic because, unlike white western countries, there is no standard rule of law.

    • BonV.Vant

      call it “CPAP” crap spewing pap

      • Black Swan

        How many whites were on immigration panels at the LaRaza conference to give their views about how massive 3rd world immigration is destroying the U.S. and other white countries?

    • jackryanvb

      Our people have a very hard time letting go of institutions and events that once were ours, or sort of ours but have gone over to the anti White side.

      Whites in the US South continued to vote Democrat party up until ~ 1980, because, well Southerners were Yellow Dog Democrats, “my daddy and great grand daddy were Democrats” etc, this at a time when Marion Bary, Coleman Young, Jessie Jack arse Jackson, Norman Lear, Hollywood and the worst Libs in New York, Harvard and Yale had taken over the national Democrat party.

      It’s pretty much the same now with “Conservative Inc” , the tops of the US Catholic Church, Southern Baptists, CPAC.

      Whites are nostalgic for Reagan 1980s when Conservative politics seemed to be on our side.

      • MBlanc46

        You mean the Reagan who supported the first amnesty?

        • AndrewInterrupted

          He was duped. It was supposed to be a one-time deal. I’m still waiting for some good journalism to chronicle those events leading up to the 1986 amnesty travesty.

          Ann Coulter is so fond of Reagan I’m surprised she hasn’t clarified that era. C’mon Ann…!!! Keep the momentum going. Sheesh. If only this woman would return my phone calls….<;-D

    • MBlanc46

      I don’t see that it’s been infiltrated. It’s the same people it’s always been. It’s always support the corporate elites. The corporate elites want immigrants, so it wants immigrants.

    • Max

      Don’t forget to credit Islam and varieties of paganism.

  • Bossman

    Large Lib Dem gay prides parades are talking of insulting their prophet.That certainly would do it.

  • mobilebay

    Thanks, Ms. Coulter. We need an army to speak up against the destruction of our nation and an army to guard our borders. It will never happen, but we need a leader who will stand up to the businesses and organizations who are selling out our country. Illegals need to be deported, and a moratorium placed on all immigration for twenty-five years or until this country is back on the right track. Eisenhower did it, so it can be done. Until every American, skilled and unskilled is working, we don’t need “replacements.” And for the hand-wringers, we have legal work visas that can be used. They work, they go home and no need to legalize, nor give amnesty nor citizenship to them. As long as they stay here, they have de facto amnesty and they reap the benefits of legal citizens.

    • IstvanIN

      we have legal work visas that can be used. They work, they go home and no need to legalize,
      We don’t even need temporary labor. We have too many healthy people on welfare, too many adult males, mostly black, with nothing useful to contribute who need jobs. Even they can do the jobs we currently give Mexicans.

      • Sick of it

        There are a lot of young white people who desperately need real work today as well. We do not need ANY immigrant group.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          They claim only 10 million are out of work–translating to something like 7%. But, the slightest analysis generates more questions than answers.

          For example, when O’Bummer took the oath in January 2009 there were 80 million Americans …’no longer in the workforce’…. That number now is 92 million. It just doesn’t add up. I think the actual unemployment number is more in the 20% area.

  • Black Swan

    Not for his nation, which is not the U.S. His nation practices draconian immigration policies for its own people and forces out invaders at the point of a gun.

  • Sick of it

    “If you pass amnesty, that’s it. It’s over. Then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America.”

    Ann Coulter has just affirmed she is completely on our side.

    • Martel

      I like Coulter, she doesn’t deserve the hate, and in my opinion, she is hated because others recognize she supports white interests.

    • Max

      She says a lot of sensible things lately but the owners have a way of reigning in anyone who goes too far off script. She could change her tune very quickly if the right people explain things to her. I hope that she gets ever more hardened but we’ll see. She could even end up “the victim of a troubled youth” if she continues to confound the interests of the empire.

      • Sick of it

        I think some people are finally starting to realize that we have no future without drastic action. The enemy has no scruples and what they plan would disgust anyone with a human soul, which makes one wonder about the true nature of the enemy.

  • Sick of it

    He probably places HIS nation’s interest above our own. But he can’t state it openly.

    • David Ashton

      He claims to be a Nordic Episcopalian of European Gentile origin. Since he is the AmRen equivalent of a Club Bore, I suspect he might even have a bit of DNA from my fellow-Englishmen (the autistic variety).

      • Sick of it

        “Michael Savage (born Michael Alan Weiner; March 31, 1942)”
        – Wikipedia

  • Sick of it

    Not sure about the latter, but there are many works out there showing their infiltration of the former.

  • MBlanc46

    A big part of being “conservative” in the US has been support for big business. Big business is the prime mover in globalization, of which elimination of national borders with respect to capital and labor flows is a major part. I doubt that you’ll ever disentangle the two.

  • MekongDelta69

    One of the things I watch on FNC (Fox News Channel) is Liz Trotta, who is ‘allowed’ to give a weekly 5 minute talk about whatever she wants. She’s on Sunday at about 11:50 EDT (or 12:50 EDT).

    I don’t know if anybody here happened to hear her segment today (3/9/14), but it was amazing. I’m surprised FNC even aired it. I tried looking everywhere on the Net for it, but I’m not surprised I didn’t find it. If someone here does, please leave the URL.

    Mainstream Republicans are simply Democrat ‘Light.’
    Mainstream ‘Conservatives’ are simply Democrat ‘Not As Light.’

    It is only AmReners (if you will), and people like ‘us’ who will speak OUT LOUD about all these problems.
    Many, many other people (on many other sites), and in real life, who THINK like ‘us,’ but are still too nervous about speaking OUT like ‘us.’

    We’ve had a 50 year onslaught by leftists, who are committed to destroying traditional America, and more and more people are completely, totally, and utterly fed up.

    What will happen in the future is anybody’s guess. All I DO know that ‘we’ (and people like ‘us’), have to be as utterly relentless and ruthless as the left.

    It will hardly be easy, but as all our Team’s motto went, “The only easy day was yesterday.”

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I’m a cord cutter, so I don’t have FOX. I catch clips of FOX segments on u-tube, though. I remember Trotta always had a bare knuckle viewpoint. I will wait for a link.

      • MekongDelta69

        In a way, I envy you.

        Because of my job, I have to be connected to everything – TV, Radio, the Net, you name it – e-v-e-r-y-t-h-i-n-g.

        Because of that, I (unfortunately) know (b/c I have to know) more than the average ‘bear’ and the above-average ‘bear.’ And since 99% of everything that slams me in the face, aggravates me to no end, you wouldn’t believe how (almost) perpetually pissed off I am.

        That’s why AmRen is one of my (very) few outlets where I can say what I want. Consider it somewhat of a stress reliever.

        If I could, I would go COMPLETELY off the grid, as have some of my former Teammates have.

        I envy them too…

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Funny you should say. My girlfriend’s mother is what is called a ‘…Security Mom…’ This is a group of bleeding-heart female Liberals who converted to Conservatism because of 9/11/01.

          She is such an over-the-top right-winger now that she works herself into a froth. So much so that she developed a heart condition.

          Her doctor’s prescription? “…Stop watching the news…” Kid you not.

          And it worked, but she eventually reverted back to staying informed. Maybe they are giving her pills now?….Dunno. I don’t dare ask.

          • Grantland

            Empty vessels. Most do not have souls.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Former useful idiots, maybe.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Indeed, poetic justice demands that we use same methods the Left used against us, to destroy them and their useful idiots along with them. In my book, turnabout is fair play. Vlad the Impaler used his own enemies methods against them, with interest. Our enemies are just as if not more deserving than the Ottoman Turks.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        “book” you say? Self publish?

  • RisingReich

    “Death squads for the people who wrecked America”
    Now we’re talking. Where can I sign up?

    • SoulInvictus

      lol. I like you.

  • Nancy Thomas

    Norquist is a pro-amnesty white hating lunatic.

    • JohnEngelman

      Grover Norquist, like other Republican leaders, is in favor of whatever makes the rich richer. Far from hating whites, he loves the members of his country club.

      • Truth Teller

        Sometimes the rich deserve what they have. People who are wealthy in poor countries understand this most of all. They don’t want the money going to underclass trash.

    • jackryanvb

      Agreed, with a predictable “Muslim immigrants are natural Conservative” spin.

    • SoulInvictus

      It’s well known he’s tried to make wealthy arabs (many with direct, court documented ties to terrorism) the equivalent of what jewish interests are to Dems…
      There are some videos on United West about that.

    • John Ambrose

      He’s married to a Palestinian Muslim… ’nuff said

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Holy Moses…!
        That’s his diversity beard.

        • Truth Teller

          If you look at his wife, she doesn’t look too nonwhite.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I wonder if the sheiks have a fatwa in her name?

  • Earl Turner

    Amnesty is for ever,
    and you gotta vote for the Republicans one more time, but just make it
    clear, “If you pass amnesty, that’s it. It’s over. Then we organize the
    death squads for the people who wrecked America.

    Wow. It’s about damned time someone came out and said it!

    • AndrewInterrupted

      …That’s my girl…!!!…

    • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

      Yes, yes, promises, promises. I guess the first 3 million wasn’t enough of a raping. Neither was the evidence that the impetus of illegal labor and outsourcing known as the Republican Party did next to nothing to fix the plague it had unleashed on the White populace. At some point just being not as bad as the really, really bad guy has to lead you on a different path.

      “I’m gonna bend over real good one last time, but you rape me just one more time and that’s it, buddy!”

      I have $20,000 on Republicans finding a way to do something not-so-Coulterish in the next 4 years, and then Ann giving another “just one more time” speech. She’ll be back to trying to herd the “new Americans” into the Republican camp. Who wants to see if they can take my money?

    • Reverend Bacon

      I wonder how any of the white limousine liberals can look at what they’ve wrought with their incentives to blacks for breeding and to mexicans for illegally entering the country, and say to themselves, “Hey, this country’s getting better all the time. Just a few million more illegals, and it’ll be just the way we like it.”

      • Earl Turner

        The white limo libs don’t say it, at least not in private where they can be honest. They don’t want to live amongst the filth any more than you or I do.

        Now the – um – “not Eskimos” on the other hand, oh hell yeah they say it! They love it! Their biological weapons program is the most effective in the world.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Asians are also heavily incentivized to breed, with the many loopholes they exploit in The Refugee Act of 1980. Cambodians, Koreans, etc. are paid per child, up to 3 children. And then when those 3 meal tickets turn 18, they have a couple more. White women can’t have 5 kids because the gummint won’t pay for it. One of my colleagues calls The Refugee Act of 1980: “…the state sponsored puppy mill…”.

  • Nancy Thomas

    He was right.

  • Nancy Thomas

    The immigration laws were changed in direct opposition to the will of the American people. Make no mistake about this.

    • JohnEngelman

      A Harris poll released in May 1965 showed that the public strongly opposed easing immigration law by a two-to-one margin (58 percent to 24 percent).8

  • Magician

    Engelman wishes all women of East Asian ancestry around the world a very meaningful Women’s Day

    • AndrewInterrupted

      He got his fifteen minutes when he was found to be the last subsciber to Cherry Blossoms.

  • Snakes on a Car

    You all should listen to the whole talk. Ann Coulter cites Steve Sailer.

  • Max

    In some ways I think that they may be worse that the machinations of the jews. There are so many adherents and I think that most of them actually believe in what they are doing to the country; the tyranny of good intentions. We have now achieved a critical-mass of stupidity.

  • http://leftistconservative.blogspot.com/ Leftist_Conservative

    this is all a farce, and the word ‘conservative’ itself have been proven to mean ‘anti-white.’

    What did the GOP do about putting supreme ct justices into office who would end the anti-white laws?

    Nothing.

    Bush was openly anti-american citizen when he proudly trumpeted the fact that mexicans were in texas because texans won’t lay tar in august.

    Romney proudly trumpeted his support for immigration.

    Conservative means anti-white.

    That has already been established.

    • Sloppo

      The Republican version of “conservative” probably does mean that. A small group of people have purchased the D and the R parties so they essentially do the same thing and blame each other for all the problems they create.

  • http://tmasierrahills.blogspot.com/ tma_sierrahills

    Bravo Ann!

    Stating the obvious, it is astounding that things have gone this far and we still have pretty much zero political representation. I don’t just mean in conventional politics–but anywhere.

  • RyanP

    I think I have always been a race realist. It always seemed absurd to me to assume that all races were the same in every way. But I generally viewed it as a side issue to bigger things like economic policy. I have recently been struggling with some hard facts which Jared points out here. ex. Sweden, Denmark, vs Somalia, Haiti. etc

    More locally, the current left vs right mantra on Detroit comes down to: Evil capitalist auto makers abandoned the city vs Liberal welfare policies destroyed it. There is never any mention of the major demographic shift that occurred.

    We cannot seriously debate economic issues and ignore the elephant in the room. I am coming to the conclusion that race may be even more significant than government policy. If Sweden were to suddenly embrace low taxes, less welfare and gun rights, I doubt there would be much difference in the general quality of life. Same rule applies to Haiti. Could any government make it less of a hell hole?

  • Avi Marranazo

    Ann Coulter has really come around during the past five and a half years in the sense that her previous declarations and calls to action were “implicitly White” and now I dare say she is knocking on the door of “explicit Whiteness”.

  • jackryanvb

    John Derbyshire was right:

    “We are doomed”

    The thought of 2 1/2 years of Rand Paul Jack Kemp Lib pandering is enough to make any healthy White person go 100% Amish.

    No TV
    No talk of national politics allowed, none at all.

    Burn all movies, music, books produced after 1962.

    Maybe some act of God will miraculously whipe out 92% of the world’s population, especially these speakers, sponsors at these pointless CPAC conferences. Soviet Union Communist party congresses under Stalin had more honest speakers than CPAC

  • Epiminondas

    Ann Coulter also had this to say: “Amnesty is for ever, and you gotta vote for the Republicans one more time, but just make it clear, ‘If you pass Amnesty, that’s it. It’s over. Then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America.’”

  • Luca

    Hey Republicans, take note.

    Did the hispanics flock to the republican party after Reagan’s Amnesty in 1986?

    I didn’t think so.

  • The Paleo Conservative

    Modern republican politicians aren’t stupid. At first when they noticed the Hispanic invasion, they did everything to stop it. Now they have changed that strategy to trying to get the Hispanic vote. As ramzpaul once said ” It doesn’t matter how much republicans claim to hate whitey, the dems will always out do them”. It’s better if the republicans would go all out and just try getting the white vote, but they rather suicide.

    Liberals joke about Somalia being a libertarian paradise and conservatives shut up because they want to remain PC. However they ignore that USA in the early to mid- 1900’s was also a conservative paradise, and it was the most successful nation on earth. I wonder what the difference is liberals?

  • dixiesuzan

    Quote — What are “conservatives” trying to conserve? —
    The Change we got left after Obama Hopeless Change took all our foldin money.
    I got 2 pot metal pennies left. The older kind, with the Washington DC Graeco/Roman temple a religious worship on the back that is dedicated to America’s demigod, Dis-honest Abe Lincoln.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      You rock, sister…!!!

      Welcome…!!!

      • dixiesuzan

        AndrewInterrupted – Thank ya’ll for your reply.
        Just confabulatin on conservatin my change. Both pennies.

        • Martel

          I cannot recall seeing you post before. Welcome to American Renaissance. I recommend the video section, its quite interesting ^^

          • AndrewInterrupted

            She drops in on a mix of sites: CNS, Politico, WT, etc.
            AmRen is an acquired taste….<;-D

          • dixiesuzan

            Martel – Thank ya’ll for your reply.
            Your correct, I’ve never posted anything on here before. I post a lot on news comment pages. I might ruminate about and see what topics the folks is ignorant on so I can correct em.

      • Ringo Lennon

        She don’t rock. She’s ignorant.

    • Ringo Lennon

      You must be from Virginia.

      • dixiesuzan

        Ringo Lennon – Thank ya’ll for your reply.
        Surely ya’ll is not being surly n uncivil to a sweet kindly blond Sothron lady of a quiet kindly disposition are ya? I mean, after all, spoutin out “Ignoramus” at the weaker sex is surely and definitely a social faux pas in a place a public discourse. Sir, the ladies are present and quite possibly small children as well !
        Quote — Whenever you criticize the 16th President you run the risk of getting hammered, for he has friends both North and South. —

        Now it seems ya’ll is presentin yerself as a friend as this gent. Now I just betcha he don’t know you from …. Adam. When did ya’ll first meet him? Was ya’ll aware the man is DEAD ? Yes Sir, deader than a door nail. Been DEAD since 1865 !!! Ya’ll and the rest of his close friends gotta be the oldest folks in the country. That or ya’ll is feedin me an “Obama” (a pure and unadultered untruth) believin I am stupid enough to bite n believe.
        Dictionary definition – DEMIGOD – a mythological being who is partly divine and partly human; an inferior deity.—
        See? Thats what I called Dis-honest Abe, a inferior diety, a mythological being at whose Graeco-Roman temple a worship in Washington DC the Church-a-Lincoln fanatics prostrates themselves afore the larger than life statute a this here inferior diety in sacremental worship. Humbug, I say, pure humbuggery. Another crooked polytician finally buried after about 50 years n the crazed Lincoln cult still promotes him with proselytizing fury.
        Hence, nobody is to ever criticize the demigod Lincoln. Sounds more like ancient Athenians afore the temple a Athena in ancient Athens. At least their house a worship is very similar and the God Statue is bigger than life too.
        There, I had my say.

        • Ringo Lennon

          Those people you worship were Demigods who tried to ruin a country. May they all burn.

          • dixiesuzan

            Ringo Lennon – Thank ya’ll for your reply.
            I am a Christian. Iworship Jesus the Christ, and only son of God the Father and also the Holy Spirit, the Trinity, 3 persons manifest but only One.
            I do not worship famous people. I do not hold them to be Demigods.
            Dictionary definition – DEMIGOD – a mythological being who is partly divine and partly human; an inferior deity.—
            I do not hold them to be a form of inferior deity. I do not hold them to be partly divine and partly human. I build no Graeco-Roman temples of worship to them. I do not advocate building Gaeco-Roman temples of worship to them. I would condemn such action.
            I do recognize there exists on Federal civil government grounds in Washington DC there exists a publicly funded, and maintain Graeco-Roman temple of worship dedicated to Abe Lincoln. Within it is a larger than life statue of Abe Lincoln. This structure and idol is presented as were the pagan barbaric statues of ancient Greece and Rome.
            Please don’t misrepresent my position with your self derived phantasmagorical inventions about me and my beliefs.
            Thank you.

          • Ringo Lennon

            I don’t misrepresent you. You should get on your knees and thank Lincoln for helping save this great country. I do believe the Lincoln Memorial was overdone. But that came at a time when feelings were still raw. That shouldn’t diminish him because he has a gaudy memorial.

          • dixiesuzan

            Ringo Lennon – Thank ya’ll for your reply.
            Quote — You should get on your knees and thank Lincoln for helping save this great country. —
            No I shouldn’t. The man was a military despot. The records of the Union military dead are fairly well recorded. There is no record of the Confederate army dead because all the records went up in flames with the burning of Richmond. No one kept track of the civilian casualties, dead or wounded. Estimates by historians of the number of American casualties (North, South and civilian) in the War between the States run around 12% to 15% of the total US population. This is derived from known records and later census data. If saving the nation costs the US 15% of its population was it worth saving?
            There is NO Constitutional requirement for the President to “preserve the Union”. In fact, for a nation founded on a secession document issued by 13 sovereign States seceeding from the British Empire, it seems to be rather more like hypocrisy to claim an unConstitutional authority to preserve the Union by military force. So the war started to “preserve the Union” so said Lincoln. And after several years, all those who given their all and died to “preserve the Union” had all died in vain. The war was no longer to “preserve the Union”, rather the war was to “free the slaves”. And when the war was over, it was officially anounced there had never been any Union to preserve. Secession was a legal means of self destruction of States into rebellious territories. So it was now a war of conquest of rebellious terriories. After the war, there were no Southern States there were only conquered Southern territories living under martial law. These conquered territories eventually submitted a Constitution to Congress and were permitted to become States. This was especially rapidly required to get the 14th amendment passed as the current existing Northern states wouldn’t ratify it.
            And for this reason we now have the Lincoln House and Temple of worship in Washington DC.

          • Ringo Lennon

            You dont make any sense. All this was caused by secessionists. 630,000 dead.

  • Hal K

    We are already far past game over for the conservative cause, if you are talking about mainstream race-neutral conservatism where there is explicit outreach to nonwhites and women, but where white group interests per se can never be discussed.

    The time for voting for Republicans to avert the next liberal outrage is already over. This could theoretically change if the GOP leadership starts allowing explicit white identity politics, i.e. “outreach” to whites, but this is extremely unlikely without major political upheaval. Whites have to demand explicit white identity politics, and voting for Republicans sends the wrong message. Instead, vote for explicitly pro-white candidates and parties, like the American Freedom Party.

  • Young Werther

    The United States IS a multi-culti-hash. Whites must have a viable party of its own, or die.

    • Young Werther

      Rand Paul is a darling of the left because he wants to give the vote to those in prisons…imagine the outcome of that one.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        I thought that was the black supremacist, Eric Holder’s idea?

        • Young Werther

          There is really *nothing new under the sun* with respect to that idea and leftist radicals (now the norm)…though jolting coming from Rand Paul. But, libertarians tend to be a bit squirrelly don’t they?

      • Aditya Vivek Barot

        Non-violent offenders convicted on narcotics charges. Something they should never have been convicted for in the first place. I applaud his efforts in this regard since depriving our fellow-citizens of the vote for violating these absurd and evil “laws” is immoral in the extreme.

        Practically, the pool is almost white. Blacks and other NAMs convicted on narcotics charges are always violent offenders. Whites who had the misfortune to get busted in a non-Coastal state are the community most affected by these laws and Paul’s efforts may earn not only their vote, but the “youth vote” as well since most under-30s take a very dim view of these “laws.”

        • Martel

          I do not see your reply to me for some reason so I will answer here:

          “The current system cannot, in my opinion, last too long. It has already
          degenerated beyond belief as men who neither comprehend nor care about
          the subtleties of English Liberty come into their own and employ the
          system as nothing more than a means to fight proxy wars.”

          You can surely see the same trends occurring in the Western hemisphere. Our institutions have been permeated by ideologues who do not value the foundations of these very institutions. In India you can find these same ideologues, as well as the Indians who are pulling and tugging the Justice system to meet the demands of their “caste”. I don’t believe direct kinship based nepotism is as great as you would expect from studying the inefficiency and corruption in the political system though, but I might be wrong.

          “Instead, they have employed it to wage war on Brahmins much in the way Brahmins have used Dalits and Muslims to wage war on Vaishyas”

          Could you present a real life example to illustrate these issues?

          • Aditya Vivek Barot

            Martel::

            It’s been a while since I discussed Indian politics so my examples will be dated.

            The BJP/Congress divide is strongest in Gujarat. Whereas the rest of the nation has a plethora of caste-based parties, Gujarat is usually the ideological battleground for Congress/BJP.

            The Congress alliance is, was, and ever will be the infamous confluence of Rajputs, Lower Castes, and Muslims against the mostly Bania-BJP. Furthermore, the wealthier, old-money types tend to vote Congress whereas the noveau riche arriveste tends BJP.

            The Congress CMs have been drawn from the groups identified hereinabove whereas the BJP CM (current and prior) is always a Bania. The most corrupt and reviled Gujarati CM was a lower-caste Patel, Chimanbhai Patel whose administration waged open war on Caste Hindus by utilizing Affirmative Action to black over half of all available University seats for lower castes. The “Nav-Nirman” movement, an early demonstration of Bania/Middle Class reaction is emblematic of this conflict. My Grandfather was the Minister for Education and he confessed that the whole scheme was a vote-bank and was designed to further exacerbate the conflict between Castes and Classes and ensure Congress hegemony.

            The same story is repeated in Maharashtra where most Chitpavan Brahmins are Congress members and lower castes such as “Marathas” lean BJP/Shiv-Sena. “Reservation (Indian Affirmative Action)” is used a means to exclude Marathas – a policy watered down by the BJP/Shiv-Sena Raj which classified Marathas as OBCs.

            And, of course, the charge of “pseudo-secularism” is entirely justified as the Congress has never come out in favor of an explicit Hindu identity owing to its ominous associations with the RSS/VHP/BJP choosing, instead, to utilize Islam as a weapon against “Hindu militants.” Look no further than the mind that creates the policy that permits the most barbaric form of Islam to thrive (Shah Banoo Case, Sec. 35 TPA Act; Indian Shariah Act) and then gloats as its enemies fulminate so that it can utilize its opponents less than diplomatic statements to describe them as “militants” and summarily dismiss even legitimate concern.

            These are examples from prominent, industrialized States, as well as two prominent pro-Muslim policies that have divided the electorate for three generations. ’tis a conflict going back to time immemorial: don’t expect a resolution anytime soon. Just pick a side (if you have to).

          • Martel

            Thanks for your reply. The alliances between the castes and classes with the international secularists, the Muslims and lower castes versus the nationalists is nearly identical to the Western situation. Besides the alliances you described, are there other signals besides those caste distinctions which would aid me in recognizing which side of the aisle I am dealing with?

            If not, this is already quite clear. I believe the secularists do not promote a Hindu identity because of BJP associations but because leftists generally intend to break down national affiliations as they contradict their worldview.

            It is interesting that new money leans BJP, any idea why?

            One last question, are there are major ethnic differences in voting patterns, the lower castes tend to be darker and thus support the left, but for example, how would you define(ethnically) the Marathas in Maharashtra.Can a generalized statement be made about ethnic backgrounds> party preference?

          • jackryanvb

            Laws of Manu, Apartheid, Jim Crow laws….

            All necessary and decent when Whiter people find themselves living in the same area with millions of lower caste, Blacker barbaric, aboriginal peoples.

            And the solution was never libertarianism.

      • jackryanvb

        There is a reason “Libertarian” sounds a lot like “Liberal”.

        A “liberal” is a White person that wants to let criminal Blacks get away with murder and mayhem. Same applies to Libertarians, only with some free market spin.

        • JohnEngelman

          A libertarian is a Republican who likes illegal drugs and pornography, and who does not like going to church.

  • Aditya Vivek Barot

    Mr. Taylor:

    I’ve devoured everything you’ve written including the most recent “White Identity: Racial Consciousness in the 21st Century” which suits my taste and temperament as it closely resembles a legal brief.

    I cannot help but marvel at the astute analogy to AfPak and Somaliland regions. The blind adherence to principles divorced from the racial origins of said principles has been the cause of greatest misery in the 20th (and 21st) Century. I don’t know much about Somaliland, and I don’t want to know anything either, but I was forced to learn about AfPak. The open air market in Peshawar, NWFP Province, AfPak Border, should be a “wet dream” for CPAC/Reason since one can purchase, virtually, anything that one desires from a Stinger Missile to a Ukrainian sex-slave. And, of course, perish the thought of Feminism, anti-Colonialism, anti-racism, etc. since these people are Islamic fanatics who, more or less, murder any dissenters.

    However, a word insofar as AfPak is concerned: these people, virtually, worship white skin. Kipling’s The Man Who Would be King and The Head Of The District which describe the relationship between these savages and the English are as relevant today as they were in Kipling’s day. However, their worship is limited to lust including physicial lust for whiteness and lust for the power that white technology and white confidence (such a thing did exist!) provide.

    Even Colonial Hindu Liberals were, for the most part, insensible to the subtleties of the very Philosophy they had embraced and which provided the intellectual ammunition for “independence” which confusion is evident in the tragi-comic Indian Constitution. I think that Communism and its agnates and cognates caught on like wildfire with the Hindu middle-classes because of its intellectual and moral crassness.

    Even today, world-wide, attempts to impose values and structures which evolved from a few homogeneous Island tribes are backfiring in the most foreseeable fashion as the cultures which are being imposed upon reject these structures, or mutate them into unrecognizable forms, rendering them devoid of Original Intent, enlisting them in the service of greater oppression (e.g. Pakistani Penal Code and the “Hudood Laws.”). “Lost in Translation” of the worst sort.

    The Indian Supreme Court (finest example of “Lost in Translation”) smacked down Indian busybodies agitating for the repeal of the Victorian era penal prohibition of Sodomy and other “unnatural acts” articulated, without any apparent sense of irony, that busybodies should not try to impose values of one Civilization on to another without regard for taste, temperament, intellectual and moral development. That is a somewhat heartening development. But, ’tis a trifle compared to the world-wide drive to turn everyone into a Village Voice Leftard which seems to have inexhaustible reservoir of hate and money.

    In the final analysis, of course, naturam expelles furca, tamen usque recurret.

    • Martel

      “I think that Communism and its agnates and cognates caught on like
      wildfire with the Hindu middle-classes because of its intellectual and
      moral crassness”

      Indian communists also enjoyed the privileges granted to them by the communist networks in the Western world. Positions and honorary titles have been offered by the most prestigious Western universties to their Indian comrades abroad.

      It struck me how similar the treatment of Islam in both the West and India has been over the past decades. In the early nineties, Der Spiegel in Germany covered the hindu-muslim riots without any mention of Hindu casualties or Hindu justifications. The European left was already infatuated with Islam back then, this naturally follows from marxist and cultural marxist ideology. In those same years, celebrated historian Romila Thapar and other ideologues were eliminating any critique of Islam or recognition of the centuries old Hindu-Muslim conflict from Indian history books and replacing those conflicts with the term “communalism”, Muslims became proletarian heroes, and anyone who discussed the theological motivations for Muslim aggression where ostracised from the academia. I did bring me joy that the BJP did actively remove some propaganda from Indian Public schools, under great protest by the aforementioned communist historians.

      As both India and Europe suffer from the same illness, the future requires alliances between European and Indian cultural conservatives/ethnic nationalists.I wonder to what extent Indians are able to get over the colonial days.

      Welcome to American Renaissance, cannot recall you posting here before.

      • Aditya Vivek Barot

        Thank you, Martel. I like Amren and have been posting especially due to the energy and pugnacity demonstrated by Mr. Engelman.

        The BJP/Congress divide like most other divides in India is older than the party system which system including the whole Westminster project is deeply flawed.

        Graduating Law School was traumatic since I was able to see for myself that the “best and brightest” in the nation simply did not grasp the, for want of a better word, sub-structure upon which the edifice of modern India is based. The current system cannot, in my opinion, last too long. It has already degenerated beyond belief as men who neither comprehend nor care about the subtleties of English Liberty come into their own and employ the system as nothing more than a means to fight proxy wars.

        Affirmative action is one such example. The BJP, a party I used to respect, had promised reversing the course of this insanity. Instead, they have employed it to wage war on Brahmins much in the way Brahmins have used Dalits and Muslims to wage war on Vaishyas.

        I am inherently pessimistic about India and never more so than after the Indian Government’s decision to continue aiding and abetting parochialism by dividing and sub-dividing India until every Sociopath in the country can get himself elected and ride around with SPG protection.

        A pathetic joke of a nation. And then I moved here.

        Good bye frying pan, hello fire!

        • JohnEngelman

          energy and pugnacity demonstrated by Mr. Engelman.

          – Aditya Vivek Barot

          Laughing out loud

    • Martel

      “The Indian Supreme Court (finest example of “Lost in Translation”)
      smacked down Indian busybodies agitating for the repeal of the Victorian
      era penal prohibition of Sodomy and other “unnatural acts” articulated”

      In what political movement would I find these busybodies?

      • Aditya Vivek Barot

        NGOs used to gravitate Congress. Lately, they’ve been riding the “AAP” coat-tails.

        They’re all left-wing. Most have secondary and tertiary Western education. Most are well financed by Society liberals who either genuinely believe the BS or are trying to curry favor with the women.

        Tata’s Institute for Social Studies as well as the recently established five-year law programs are hotbeds for this sort of Leftism which inevitably makes its way into India from the West with the alumnii of these institutes acting as conduits. Unthinking, unreflective application of ideas that are utterly alien, even to the West, to a nation that has not a fraction of the intellectual, moral and social development of the West.

        • Martel

          The last paragraph I consider a blessing, the leftist poison is much more damaging when it is not blocked by ‘lost in translation’ and tribal and caste affiliations. I hoped Tata would be connected with the automobile producer, but it seems its not. I will cross reference the professors when I have time. Are there any major unions, capitalist owned foundations such as the Ford foundation in the West who aggressively promote anti nationalism and other left wing causes?

          • Aditya Vivek Barot

            The Tata family is India’s version of the Ford foundation. The Tatas have always been left-wing.

            Home-Rule is ipso facto a left-wing movement. The Tatas, like other prominent Parsees (Coopers, Petits, Shahpurji, Pallanji) are inveterate leftists.

            Indian Nationalism is an odd bird. You can’t have an “Indian” nation that isn’t Left-wing since the idea of the Nation-State itself is a profoundly un-Indian concept introduced into the body politic by the first wave of Leftists such as Iqbal, Nehru the Elder, Jinnah, Gandhi, Tilak, Navrozjee, and others. Therefore, it may seem right-wing by today’s standards, but its inherently leftist.

            Other than the Tatas, the most prolific supporters of Left-wing politics are “elite” universities and all “elite” employers. Indian leftism, like all things 3rd world, is behind the times. But, I hear, they’re catching up! ;)

          • Martel

            Interesting, thanks.

  • Puggg

    To review 2014 “C”-PAC:

    Weed, open borders, and pick on Putin.

    A winning inspirational agenda, for sure.

  • Evette Coutier

    Folks, the republicans are not our friends. They spend far too much time supporting and passing anti-white legislation to prove they are not racist. Now is the time for one of our own, someone with political acumen, to start the formation of a nationalist political movement so that it will be in place for the coming events in America.

    • DieWulfe

      The American Freedom Party promotes White Nationalism. The party chairman is Los Angeles attorney William Daniel Johnson. Long Beach State University professor of psychology Kevin B. MacDonald has been named one of the eight party Directors, and principal contributor to The Occidental Quarterly

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Both parties have one goal, to seize and hold power and they both know that pandering to the Hispanic will give them an advantage. Our politicians are selling us out right under our noses for their own personal gain. I can see no real solution to this crisis either.

  • Kathy M

    Apparently, Ann Coulter was the only one with a pair of coconuts at CPAC. I’m beginning to admire that woman.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      It’s up to your demographic in 2014/2016, Kathy.
      The white woman is the swing vote.

      • Ella

        Try married White women with children and no free handouts.

      • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

        What in the holiest of holy holies are they swinging to? A pendulum swings like there is no tomorrow. But the pivot is identical. You swing it hard right, it will swing back hard left with equal force. This has been going on for decades. When do people come to the realization that you can’t actually change direction without finding a distinct and completely new pivot?

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Ella just hit on one factor. I mentioned to Reverend Bacon in a reply to his post that Asian women get hand-outs, too. (They actually steal it.) Not just Blacks & Hispanics. They game the Refugee laws and get paid per child, up to 3 kids. So, it’s white women who are at the losing end of that particular Diversity stick.

          But, also white women are becoming aware that they are at the losing end in the workplace, too. White men have been under constant persecution, such as I witnessed–and as eventually happened to me at a defense contractor. Up until Obama, white women enjoyed a significant diversity tail wind, while white guys crashed & burned.

          That has changed. Now a white woman finds herself displaced by a Black, Hispanic, or Asian woman in the workplace. This allows the quota people to check off woman & minority (and preferably gay) to please the Diversity Gods. White women saw the white men go down in flames (sometimes expediting the men’s demise) and are now realizing it is their turn. They had just been useful LIVs (Low Information Voters).

          The Diversity Devils hate all white people, not just hetero, white men. This is becoming apparent to the white American woman. This will swing her vote back toward America and Americans.

    • Martel

      She definitely deserves admiration.

    • David Ashton

      A coconut has been a word used to describe a black person who inwardly thinks like a white one. In this case we have a lady who is white on the outside and on the inside. The USA needs more of them to follow her lead in speaking out.

  • Anglo

    I think nutty evangelicals are a big problem feeding the amnesty/open borders lunacy. The church goers are easily deluded by charlatan preachers who spew on about the brotherhood of man (in other words, amnesty). Mike “huckster” Huckabee is one who comes to mind with his brand of conservatism. There are many others. I run into these evangelical types every day; they’re phonies and destroying the White race and this country. I don’t believe in what is preached as Christianity today.

    • DieWulfe

      “don’t believe in what is preached as Christianity today.”

      It isn’t Christianity.

      • itdoesnotmatter

        The problem is, what/who defines true Christianity, or a true Christian is subjective.
        Nazarenes in my rural hometown will not allow the Community Chorus Messiah sung in their church because there are LDS members, [whom they feel are not "true" Christians] in the choir. The Pentecostal Holiness church rejects Nazarenes, Methodists, Baptists, Presbyterians, Catholics as too Biblically liberal, therefore, not truly Christian.
        Muslims, when questioned, claim the fundamentalist activists/jihadists are not Muslims.
        This sort of division among conservative Whites will get us killed by an organized, cohesive group, be it religious or political, if our various factions do not work this out.

        • jackryanvb

          These ridiculous Christian sectarian squabbles have always been with us. Orthodox Christian Greeks in the besieged city state of a Constantinople denounced the last Byzantine Christian Emperor as a heretic because he had formed alliances with a catholic Western Europeans. This at the time, the Muslim Turks were making the final push to take the city, rape the women, slaughter and loot for three consecutive days (as is the Muslim custom) and then enslave the Greeks.

          So, understand – squabbling about Judeo Christian religious doctrines at times when we are facing White genocide. That ‘s just something we always do. Something stupid we always do.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Jack, it will bring us down if we do not stop. I am not advocating the end of religious praxis, no, the squabbling.
            You have heard this joke, I will wager; lock a Baptist, Methodist, and Pentecostal in a room together. No one will emerge alive.

        • DieWulfe

          Advice
          for Christians. KNOW THE BIBLE. Learn it from unbiased scholars (unbiased
          Christian leaders). Only God’s word is the truth. Then, they will be able to
          recognize those sects not following His teachings. Religious leaders that
          change those facts and teachings are not true Christians. God calls them
          “false prophets.”

          I wonder why Mormons are attending this Nazarene church. They use their own
          Bible since they believe the Christian Bible is somewhat inaccurate.

          Are the Mormons trying to change Nazarene beliefs to Mormon? There are
          significant differences between the two. If that conflict is occurring, it is
          understandable why the Nazarenes don’t want them in the church (not singing the
          Messiah). Nazarenes follow the Christian Bible.

          I often wonder how sects came to differing conclusions with respect to what the
          Bible says. For instance, Born again Christians vs Lutherans. Lutherans are
          baptized shortly after birth; although, they can be at any time.

          Born again Christians must ask God for forgiveness, recognize Jesus died for
          their sins and is the only way to get into Heaven. They also must be baptized
          even though they might have been as an infant.

          John 3:36 and 2:38, below, are rather generic. The other two can apply to ‘born
          again Christians’ since ‘saved’ and ‘born again’ are used.

          Christians must find evidence throughout the Bible, not just from a few
          passages that apply to their agendas.

          John
          3:3 ESV /

          Jesus
          answered him, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless one is born again, he
          cannot see the Kingdom of God.’

          John 3:36 ESV /

          Whoever believes in the Son has eternal life; whoever does not obey the Son
          shall not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.

          Mark 16:16 ESV /

          Whoever believes and is baptized will be saved, but whoever does not believe
          will be condemned.

          Acts 2:38 ESV /

          And Peter said to them, “Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of
          Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of
          the Holy Spirit.

          It
          seems to me the Bible says all Christians should practice Christianity by
          taking all passages, etc., into consideration, not by picking and choosing. There should be no Christian sects. No Judaism, Islam, Buddhism, Hinduism, etc. Anywhere
          in the world.

          Our
          loosely defined First Amendment, “Freedom of Religion,” gives permission to
          practice whatever they want even though our Founders most likely were speaking
          of Christianity, which was divided into sects.

          Maybe,
          our Founders should have established a state religion run by unbiased Biblical
          scholars that would eliminate this nonsense.
          There are hazards as the PC police would take control of that, too. An advantage of a state religion would
          prohibit Islam and Judaism. Atheists
          would hate it. There are advantages and
          disadvantages.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            Die Wulfe, allow me to clarify.
            Every year the Community Chorus sings the Messiah at Christmas. Various churches with a large enough choir loft, in turn, host the performance, Catholic, Methodist, etc. It is a one time, once a year deal. No one is staying on to proselytize anyone.
            The fundamentalist churches mentioned will not host the performance because anyone who can sing is invited to join the Community Chorus. Even atheists. Denomination plays no part in selecting the choir members.
            How divisively petty, in my opinion, of any sect to deny a performance of this majestic work, Handel’s Messiah, in its church because not everyone in the chorus interprets the scriptures exactly as it does.
            As for Bible passages. Everyone seems to interpret a passage differently. Each interpretation is seen as “the true one.”
            Religion is a subjective experience; there are no absolutes, though various sects will tell one theirs is the one absolutely true belief system.
            My point is, this divides us, when we need to be cohesive.

          • DieWulfe

            Oh….

            It is childish and we do need to be cohesive. Not sure that will ever happen.

  • Rhialto

    ‘What are the “conservatives” trying to conserve’?”

    According to Austrian-American philosopher Alexander King, “These Conservatives. what are they trying to conserve except themselves!”.

    Above was stated on the Jack Paar talk show circa 1960, when King followed conservative W.F. Buckley as a guest.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I wish they had tried harder.

    • curri

      Tribal member King gave them way too much credit. He must have been projecting.

  • Harumphty_Dumpty

    Why is it that countries that follow CPAC’s principles are miserable and getting worse, while countries that violate them are doing well and getting better? Doesn’t that utterly refute “conservative” politics? For anyone who officially agrees that race doesn’t matter, there is no way out of that box. The left could get a lot of mileage out of rubbing Republican noses in the difference between Haiti and Denmark, because today’s Republicans have neither the brains nor the backbone for the obvious reply: White people build nice places to live, and black people don’t.

    Brilliant!

  • Nancy Thomas

    It’s over 50% I’m sure, maybe higher. I don’t have to exaggerate.

  • Garrett Brown

    80% of that was after the nominations. And LOL at the discrepancy in foreign and domestic earnings. A film about an American negro becoming a slave and the majority of people that saw it weren’t even American. That’s pretty fantastic at supporting my argument. It was a total flop in the US.

    • David Ashton

      It is a prelude to a political campaign for “reparations” – e.g. the Caribbean demand for British and other European taxpayers to pay out for the crimes of a tiny minority of their racial ancestors.

    • JohnEngelman

      A movie that makes $33,107,000 profit in the United States from an initial investment of $20,000,000 is not a flop in the United States. It is a bellwether of future movies on this theme.

      • Garrett Brown

        It is a flop when nearly all of that was after it’s nominations at the academy. Liberals in Hollywood and Jews that run the Oscars saw it wasn’t making enough money so they made it win best picture. Thus, like every other years a film wins best picture, it started to gain much more income and was reintroduced to theaters. See the Hurt Locker, Million Dollar Baby, the Black Swan, etc etc as examples.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Do as we say, not as we do. Diversity is for thee, not for we.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Enjoy your bubble-world while it lasts, sweety. BTW, I’m not from Lowell. I’m aware of Massachusetts corruption because I’m a New Englander. Hope the “proles” are gentle when the time comes, little potpourri sniffer. You’re a typical ‘useful idiot’.

    • Jesse James

      So what do you think of the incredible disappearing thread?

      • SoulInvictus

        Funny that eh? I didn’t even see anything all that controversial in the conversation. What do you think set precipitated that?
        One of my earlier post has a sticky (guess only I can see it/account related saying “Sorry, this was removed by American Renaissance.” Whoever moderates this stuff puts a lot more thought into it than I would and apparently decided to undelete my post. That was nice, but maybe it had something to do with 30 people upvoting the comment.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Martel said it was heavy handed. I missed most of it.

      • SoulInvictus

        Edit: Never-mind, now the post is deleted again. Despite having been liked by nearly everyone on the thread. I don’t tally upvotes as a personal feel good, but it seems even more odd to delete a post deemed admirable by loads of regulars…
        What’s going on here?

        • silviosilver

          This is bizarre moderation, to say the least. It would have been one thing to delete the entire stream of comments but a glance at what was left and what was deleted leaves me scratching my head.

          • SoulInvictus

            The discouraging thing is that Engelman yet remains, as do his comments.

  • Martel

    I’m not too happy about the moderator deleting my debate with Engelman. There was absolutely no reason for it, I discussed the Jewish-european conflict in neutral terms, whichis an improvement from the usual one sidedness of the debate. If Engelman is allowed to discriminate against Europeans by casting them as unrepentant irrational villains without any involvement in the conflict from the Jewish factions despite all evidence to the contrary, it promotes the message that Europeans are morally inferior, which is the foundation for the power and influence of ‘political correctness’. This is my only ‘beef’ with the status quo on ‘antisemitism’ in Germany, Poland,Hungary, Russia, Spain, France and so on. Again, I’m not happy about the decision, if any Jewish readers take offense at my postings, I surely understand as they are not accustomed to a more nuanced and balanced view of history,s most Europeans are not either, and I would gladly explain my position and take away any concerns.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I think Mr. Engelman is a tribal “monitor”.
      They have their own FCC. If they existed.

      • Martel

        Some of my deleted comments didn’t even touch on Jews, contained zero filth or any sign of aggression. I wrote a comment disproving the idea that high intelligence signifies the ability of a minority to remain neutral in ethnic conflict, disproving cognitive elitism, and the mod threw it in the trashbin. In another comment I touched on the nature of racial consciousness, also gone,

        Odd, and not too happy about it. I understand Amren is under tremendous pressure but there are other ways to deal with this, furthermore my views on the gentile-jewish conflict are absolutely reasonable, only a Jew which is prejudiced against Europeans would take offense, I never advocated violence or abuse of Jews either because I see possibilities for a peaceful and even harmonious solution. Deleting comments randomly drives Europeans to a more irrational antisemitism.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          It looks like the plan was to completely rig the internet. Snowden releases more whoppers every day. I think if Snowden hadn’t done what he did, we wouldn’t even be having this benign conversation.

          • Martel

            I always keep in mind that the internet provides only a temporary venue to learn, debate and vent the occasional frustrations. Its not a problem because although victory for Europeans is uncertain, the fall of their system is inevitable.

        • LovelyNordicHeidi

          Ik had je opmerkingen graag willen lezen, Martel.

          Jouw opmerkingen zijn op zich heel relevant.

          Jammer dat ze worden verwijderd.

          • Martel

            Ik heb ze opgeslagen dus wellicht zal Ik ze nog eens posten. Leuk dat je weer post je bent de laatste tijd afwezig geweest.

    • John

      I’ve had the same thing happen here more than once and I understand how you feel, it’s extremely frustrating and flies in the face of the Jefferson quote at the top of the page that’s supposedly the site’s motto. I’ve found that Jews and their supporters generally consider any observation about their behavior, historically verifiable and/ or currnetly observable, to consider anything “anti Semitic” unless its of the “oh how wonderful you are” variety. Utter nonsense of course and hypocritical to boot.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        ‘…If a man says there is 20 Gods or no God, it neither breaks my bones nor picks my pocket. (Just don’t say anything about the group who shall never be named or criticized)…”

        –Thomas Jefferson

      • Martel

        Its a shame because it only heightens tensions. I understand Europeans who rage against Jews because they find the same unwillingness to discuss these issues everywhere. The current method of suppressing conflict between Jews and Europeans has become unviable, and monitoring events in both East and Western Europe, it shows Jews need to reconsider the relationship with Europeans if they want to remain allies. I am convinced I see the perfectly solution, but that requires an audience willing to listen.

  • MikeofAges

    You already have seen what whitey is capable of. Descartes. Newton. Maxwell. Einstein. von Neumann. Bohr. Engleman. Just kidding about Engleman. Jeez, most aren’t even Jewish.

    Is your issue that you want to truncate “whitey”? Does white success bother you? Do you want whites in American, maybe worldwide, to have their opportunities limited? What’s the story? I want to know what the ground game is?

    • David Ashton

      We shall “see what the Chinese are capable of” when they step up warfare by whatever suitable methods against other countries. We intend our grandchildren to survive and live in a western culture, long after the Nordic Episcopalian has gone to meet his own ancestors.

      • MikeofAges

        Doesn’t answer the question. The question is about what you want to see.

        • David Ashton

          What I would like to see and what I have tried to support is the survival and “supremacy” of western civilization and the peoples who gave rise to it. What China might do or be able to do that could frustrate this objective is a matter of dispute, but we keep our eyes open, our brains alert and our “powder dry”.

          • MikeofAges

            To accomplish this, we have to invest in the development of our native born population. In our legal system, we cannot restrict this prospective outreach to whites. Whatever we do, blacks, Hispanics and whomever else there is have to able to take advantage of it as well. The likelihood that whites would produce the greatest results should not be a reason to not undertake a broad-based effort.

            One thing I do think is that there are some flaws in our social mythology. We like to believe that people come here or, in any case, emerge, reach the top and stay there. But what I think actually happens is that people reach the top quickly, if at all, and then begin to deteriorate. The reality is, the people who have been here the longest often are the worst off. Natives. Blacks. Scotch-Irish and Appalachian whites. Some went from the front of the hill to the back without ever quite reaching the top. The exception to this process is represented by people who have been able to make specific arrangements to maintain themselves, those with intergenerational wealth and those who belong to the hereditary upper middle class.

            Everybody else has a pretty foolish view of the situation. They think that if they provide education for their children, the education will provide for them. When it doesn’t, they just sit around and pout about it instead of taking political and legal action. From this point of view, blacks actually are more realistic than whites. The masses know that outreach intended to bring people into the professional classes is not for them, but they damn sure want it for the people of their color who can take advantage of it.

          • David Ashton

            There is a theory (Galton, Sorokin, etc) that as people rise to the top of the social pyramid they reduce their reproductive rates; it is probably a key factor in the decline of nations and civilizations. It is not illegal, at any rate in the USA, to encourage whites, and especially intelligent whites, to have more children, nor to advocate negative eugenics among the “criminal class”. Even in Britain there is a popular case for reducing welfare subsidies for “proles”, i.e. people who produce almost nothing except babies.

  • David Ashton

    Here is an item from The Economist, March 8, that may be of interest to conservative “white Gentiles” (as Mr Engelman calls us inferior beings):

    “In 1970, there were 360m [black] Africans…a tenth of the world’s population. If fertility…continues on its current path, there will be 2.7 billion – a quarter of the global population [by 2050]…. twice as many Africans below 14 years of age as there are now…the continent is not generating enough jobs in the formal economy to finance education properly.”

    What will they do? Where can they go? A question for the OTHER “Daughters of the Republic”?

  • Ringo Lennon

    623 comments. Half by Andrew and Martel. That’s what they call a running conversation! WTF.

    • David Ashton

      Martel seems to have given one particular contributor an appropriate Hammering.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Yeah, Ringo Star failed to mention that particular prolific spammer.
        Maybe Ringo is his relief.
        The rabbi must sleep some time?

  • Martel

    This is exactly what we need.NumbersUSA should be visited continually by anyone who cares about the future of American whites.

  • jeffaral

    Time for talking will soon be over. We need just one thing: WAR!

    • Aditya Vivek Barot

      I have seen something close to the inter-ethnic conflict you yearn for and I assure you there are no winners in that sort of thing.

      • DNA Explains It All

        I don’t yearn for any war, it’s just becoming inevitable. If there must be a war, let it be here and now (I think is more what the above poster means as well).

    • Aditya Vivek Barot

      Thank you for the response and the clarification.

      I agree that eventually the various power centers will stand in diametric opposition

      That is it nightmare. American Yugoslavia.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        In the spirit of: ‘…If I didn’t laugh, I’d cry…’, a ‘…Limousine Liberal…’ like Tim Draper in CA is showing contrition. Certainly not in his words, but in his actions.

        He sees the social engineering disaster that California is and he’s taking action to try and split it up into 6 Balkan states. A Silicon Valley doosh bag of all people. He wants to jettison the Mexicali that the southern half turned into and try to salvage other areas. A stinking Limousine Liberal…!!! I get the biggest kick out of it.

        He’s adopting that same frostbite strategy that others have spoken of: sacrifice the limbs, save the vitals.

        • Aditya Vivek Barot

          So, this c**ks****r wants to divide Cali into six parts?

          Is that to make it easier for the Mexicali cartels and the PLA to conquer and occupy more effectively?

  • MikeofAges

    No. Feminism verbatim. They would like deception to obtain sex to be a crime. I don’t know about girls or women who lie to men, but in feminist legal theory, women always are the aggrieved party. Some of them say, all sex is rape. Heterosexual sex, that is to say, always represents the rape of woman by a man. My estimation is, if people are physically present (and how could they not be?) and consent, that’s it. You would need great extremes of deception to justify a criminal charge. In Western legal doctrine, ideas of class and even race and ethnicity are constructs existing only in the mind of the individual, not legally. The basis for these charges is not the deception itself, but the violation of class and ethnic boundaries. Well, too bad.

    “Second-stage” feminism, so-called, is based on the doctrine that each women has a place in society to which she is entitled, and an entitlement to material support in maintaining that position as well. Clearly, deception is regarded as so egregious because it represents an affront to the class and race boundaries the woman is entitled to maintain, and therefore threatens the security of the woman’.s entitled position.

    See it for what it is.

  • Jesse James

    Wow, I have never seen a thread so completely scrubbed. We must have touched a nerve, strange though it seemed a pretty tame discussion for the most part.

    • Geo1metric

      That would be a shame; I have enjoyed this site. But it does bother me that certain moderators seem to violate the standards for posting the site espouses which are posted at the top of the page. Why?

  • SoulInvictus

    Japanese and Koreans don’t live in or originate from nations/cultures where their traditions have been paved over with Commie-lite.
    What were white American illegitimacy rates pre-1950 or so I wonder…

  • SoulInvictus

    “We have not even begun to see what the Chinese are capable of.”

    Two thousand years and still no Kwisatz Haderach-Chang?
    You really do have an almost slavish admiration of these people… virtually felating them in every other post on a site oriented around –>white<– issues. There's no reason an asian or jewish oriented site wouldn't be more suitable for your fetish, so that alone should make anyone question your motives here.

    It will be interesting to see if all that lead and mercury they're pumping into their soil and water knocks back the eugenic bred braniacs then, cause they're sure great at that.
    Maybe it was a smart move for the soulless international bankersteins and politicians to give them our entire manufacturing sector.

  • David Ashton

    Who owns the cinema outlets? Who runs the film reviews? Who can raise $millions for anti-conservative movies, awards and stars?

    Entertainment – vampire and zombie schlock, anti-Nazi heroics or tearjerkers eight decades after the war, “Honey, I’ve eaten the kids”, Cameron Diaz’s “seminal” contributions to high culture, exploding cars and buildings, torture porn, evil priests and lovely rabbis, etc.

  • David Ashton

    This comment was not deleted.

  • Geo1metric

    Ethno-nationalism is not silly. Races naturally separate. When was the last time you were in the cafeteria of one of the “elite universities”? International schools? It’s not rocket science to explain why they are integrated. Oh, and one of the most segregated places….gated communities.

    You are so wrong.

  • David Ashton

    My specific question needs a specific answer, Mr Anonymous.

  • Young Werther

    *What are “conservatives” trying to conserve?*
    Since to conserve means to guard, to keep a thing safe from destruction and or ruin,to preserve, and the *thing* of concern here is traditional values of American Society, then I would have to say it is obvious that there are no *political conservatives* at all. The last remotely conservative permitted to call himself that is Pat Buchanan. The thing that most controls is *media*. The mainstream media is a collective and has chosen Cultural Marxism over American Individualism. Democracy is the term used to destroy individualism. A trick on the White Race.

    • Young Werther

      Thing is…PatB really does know what is going on…

  • Young Werther

    *Then we organize the death squads for the people who wrecked America.*
    In the context of what Coulter was talking about, how would you translate that, JT?

  • silviosilver

    I don’t recall having said anything about “laws against miscegenation.” I would prefer it if you didn’t put words in my mouth. We need only look to Latin America, which has been mixing away for far longer then America or Europe, to note that racial intermixture is no impediment to racial identity. These people have no trouble recognizing that they are closer to some racial types and more distant from others. Their mixed ancestries do grant them greater ‘flexibility’ in whom they identify with and a greater capacity to absorb racial others into their racial body politic, but what has categorically not occurred on account of their mixedness is an identification with all-the-peoples-of-the-earth. Internet discussions have surprised me by the depth to which such feelings can run, though of course only the most strongly racially identified people tend to engage in such discussions. The instinct for racial identity and self-preference are ultimately what all hopes for racial preservation and the separatism necessary to achieve it rest on. Thankfully, such extincts are real; the task is to give them political expression.

  • silviosilver

    This reply is consistent with the conduct of an interlocutor who is bereft of any substantive rebuttal to the central point that the best universities and corporations are foursquare in favor of the following anti-white policies:

    – anti-white discrimination in hiring and student placement
    – anti-white immigration policy
    – anti-white cultural standards
    – anti-white identity politics

    • JohnEngelman

      You sound like a black person blaming black poverty on white racism.

  • silviosilver

    John Engelman thinks that it is a fantastic idea for whites to be wiped off the face of the planet. He is appalled that some apparently object to the fate he has planned for them.

  • Young Werther

    Foremost, I meant to say that this is a very good piece of work regarding the absurdness of CPAC and all that that entails…you are right. There is no conservative *voice* that has anything to do with the preservation of Whites on earth. The *conservative voice* permitted by one of the forces of power in power (the media) is anti-white. But, there are many circumstances under which a necessary power could gain its VOICE. All around us, every day, at any moment in time.

    *I am all-powerful Time which destroys all things, and I have come here to slay these men. Even if thou doest not fight, all the warriors facing thee shall die.*

  • Geo1metric

    “You obviously have not attended the elite universities and private schools.”

    You are “obviously” so wrong again. Wake up.

    In fact I have lived and worked around the world, taught at an international high school in Europe for a time, and have a degree from a so-called “elite” university in the US. I also taught, for a time, at a well known university in Italy.

    “I was employed at an elite STEM university.” The administrative staffs of these schools are usually very large.

  • Geo1metric

    Your posts make me think you’re another Engeldork doppelganger.

  • Martel

    Almost no WN’s follow this trend. Taylor, Spencer, MacDonald, I don’t see this trend at all. You may simply feel like slandering white nationalist. Its your right to do so, we all have our hobbies.

  • Geo1metric

    “Most Ivy League students are not Jewish. 22 percent are.”

    How do you explain the obvious discrepancy between their percentage in the Ivy League and their overall population percentage? There is obviously affirmative action of some type for them. This is why I keep pointing out that there are many more non-jewish high IQers.

    • JohnEngelman

      An average IQ of 115 pushes the Jewish bell curve to the right. Consequently, a much higher percentage of them fit into the genius level range. This is why Jews are so prominent in every field that requires superior intelligence.

  • Philo Vaihinger

    The American conservative movement is an alliance of a rootless plutocracy running the country into the ground for its neoliberal, globalizing good and moron Protestants who sincerely believe cavemen rode dinosaurs and homos are destroying the country.

    The progressives are a mix of race traitors, minorities who know who their friends are, groups united only in hatred of America or all of Western civilization, and white people for whom the party of the plutocracy is the greater evil.

    Many of us feel like atheists in 12th Century Jerusalem, wondering what’s worse, being ruled by Jews, Muslims, or Christians.

    Too bad for us, eh?

  • Philo Vaihinger

    Who deleted all those comments? Why?

  • Raymond Kidwell

    Race is less of an issue to me compared to standards. If we were to only allow in non-criminal, high I.Q. immigrants this would have a different impact than letting the world dump its undesirables on us. Those less inclined to crime and with higher intellect would naturally be of different ethnicities on average. But even in regards to the America white population, strictly speaking, it is becoming ghettofied as the dumb, weak and defective disproportionately multiply. Mexico has a large (albeit minority) white population by the way. The typical illegal is usually from the lowest strata of Mexican society, many associated with crime groups etc. This lowering of average I.Q., lowering of altruism and general civility is a bigger threat than some demographic shift based solely on ancestry.