Why Can’t We Talk About IQ?

Jason Richwine, Politico, August 9, 2013

“IQ is a metric of such dubiousness that almost no serious educational researcher uses it anymore,” the Guardian’s Ana Marie Cox wrote back in May. It was a breathtakingly ignorant statement. Psychologist Jelte Wicherts noted in response that a search for “IQ test” in Google’s academic database yielded more than 10,000 hits—just for the year 2013.

But Cox’s assertion is all too common. There is a large discrepancy between what educated laypeople believe about cognitive science and what experts actually know. Journalists are steeped in the lay wisdom, so they are repeatedly surprised when someone forthrightly discusses the real science of mental ability.

If that science happens to deal with group differences in average IQ, the journalists’ surprise turns into shock and disdain. Experts who speak publicly about IQ differences end up portrayed as weird contrarians at best, and peddlers of racist pseudoscience at worst.

I’m speaking from experience. My Harvard Ph.D. dissertation contains some scientifically unremarkable statements about ethnic differences in average IQ, including the IQ difference between Hispanics and non-Hispanic whites. {snip}

For people who have studied mental ability, what’s truly frustrating is the déjà vu they feel each time a media firestorm like this one erupts. Attempts by experts in the field to defend the embattled messenger inevitably fall on deaf ears. When the firestorm is over, the media’s mindset always resets to a state of comfortable ignorance, ready to be shocked all over again when the next messenger comes along.

At stake here, incidentally, is not just knowledge for the sake of knowledge, but also how science informs public policy. The U.S. education system, for example, is suffused with mental testing, yet few in the political classes understand cognitive ability research. Angry and repeated condemnations of the science will not help.

What scholars of mental ability know, but have never successfully gotten the media to understand, is that a scientific consensus, based on an extensive and consistent literature, has long been reached on many of the questions that still seem controversial to journalists.

For example, virtually all psychologists believe there is a general mental ability factor(referred to colloquially as “intelligence”) that explains much of an individual’s performance on cognitive tests. IQ tests approximately measure this general factor. Psychologists recognize that a person’s IQ score, which is influenced by both genetic and environmental factors, usually remains stable upon reaching adolescence. And they know that IQ scores are correlated with educational attainment, income, and many other socioeconomic outcomes.

In terms of group differences, people of northeast Asian descent have higher average IQ scores than people of European lineage, who in turn have higher average scores than people of sub-Saharan African descent. The average score for Hispanic Americans falls somewhere between the white and black American averages. Psychologists have tested and long rejected the notion that score differences can be explained simply by biased test questions. It is possible that genetic factors could influence IQ differences among ethnic groups, but many scientists are withholding judgment until DNA studies are able to link specific gene combinations with IQ.

How can I be sure all of this reflects mainstream thinking? Because, over the years, psychologists have put together statements, reports, and even books aimed at synthesizing expert opinion on IQ. {snip}

Let’s start 25 years ago, with the publication of The IQ Controversy, a book by Mark Snyderman and Stanley Rothman. The authors surveyed more than 1,000 experts in the field of cognitive science to develop a picture of what the mainstream really looks like. It was very similar to the description I’ve supplied above.

Snyderman and Rothman then systematically analyzed television, newspaper, and magazine coverage of IQ issues. They were alarmed to find that the media were presenting a much different picture than what the expert survey showed. Based on media portrayals, it would seem that most experts think IQ scores have little meaning, that genes have no influence on IQ, and that the tests are hopelessly biased. “Our work demonstrates that, by any reasonable standard, media coverage of the IQ controversy has been quite inaccurate,” the authors concluded.

{snip}

{snip} Richard Herrnstein and Charles Murray’s The Bell Curve was published in 1994, and real science was hard to find in the media circus that ensued. Herrnstein and Murray’s central claim about IQ differences shaping class divisions continues to be the subject of reasoned debate among social scientists. But non-experts in the media questioned whether IQ is even a valid concept. Intelligence research–psychometrics—is a pseudoscience, they said. The tests are meaningless, elitist, biased against women and minorities, important only to genetic determinists. And even to discuss group differences in IQ was called racist.

{snip}

The American Psychological Association (APA) tried to set the record straight in 1996 with a report written by a committee of experts. Among the specific conclusions drawn by the APA were that IQ tests reliably measure a real human trait, that ethnic differences in average IQ exist, that good tests of IQ are not culturally biased against minority groups, and that IQ is a product of both genetic inheritance and early childhood environment. Another report signed by 52 experts, entitled “Mainstream Science on Intelligence,” stated similar facts and was printed in the Wall Street Journal.

{snip}

So when Larry Summers, then the president of Harvard University, speculated in 2005 that women might be naturally less gifted in math and science, the intense backlash contributed to his ouster.

Two years later, when famed scientist James Watson noted the low average IQ scores of sub-Saharan Africans, he was forced to resign from his lab, taking his Nobel Prize with him.

When a Harvard law student was discovered in 2010 to have suggested in a private email that the black-white IQ gap might have a genetic component, the dean publicly condemned her amid a campus-wide outcry. Only profuse apologies seem to have saved her career.

In none of these cases did an appeal to science tamp down the controversy or help to prevent future ones. My own time in the media crosshairs would be no different.

So what did I write that created such a fuss? In brief, my dissertation shows that recent immigrants score lower than U.S.-born whites on a variety of cognitive tests. Using statistical analysis, it suggests that the test-score differential is due primarily to a real cognitive deficit rather than to culture or language bias. It analyzes how that deficit could affect socioeconomic assimilation, and concludes by exploring how IQ selection might be incorporated, as one factor among many, into immigration policy.

Because a large number of recent immigrants are from Latin America, I reviewed the literature showing that Hispanic IQ scores fall between white and black scores in the United States. This fact isn’t controversial among experts, but citing it seems to have fueled much of the media backlash.

And what a backlash it was. It started back in May when I coauthored an unrelated study that estimates the fiscal cost of granting amnesty to illegal immigrants. Opponents seeking to discredit that study pointed to my dissertation, and the firestorm was lit. Reporters pulled the dissertation quotes they found “shocking” and featured them in news stories about anti-immigration extremism. Well-established scientific findings were treated as self-evidently wrong—and likely the product of bigotry.

The professional commentators eagerly ran with that theme. Jennifer Rubin of theWashington Post called me a “fringe character.” Will Wilkinson of the Economist decried my “repugnant prejudice.” The New York Daily News published an unsigned editorial describing me as “the most twisted sort of intellectual” who is “peddling offensive tripe.” The Guardian’s Ana Marie Cox, whose quote began this article, called me a “bigot” and a “more subtle and dangerous kind of extremist.”

As with all the past incidents, most reporters learned nothing about IQ and seemed indifferent to any lessons for public policy. {snip}

Not all the media coverage was divorced from real science. Journalists such as Robert VerBruggen and Michael Barone wrote insightful reaction pieces. And the science-oriented blogosphere, which is increasingly the go-to place for expert commentary, provided some of the best coverage.

But it’s difficult to have a mature policy conversation when other journalists are doing little more than name-calling. {snip}

For too many people confronted with IQ issues, emotion trumps reason. Some are even angry that I never apologized for my work. I find that sentiment baffling. Apologize for stating empirical facts relevant to public policy? I could never be so craven. And apologize to whom—people who don’t like those facts? The demands for an apology illustrate the emotionalism that often governs our political discourse.

What causes so many in the media to react emotionally when it comes to IQ? Snyderman and Rothman believe it is a naturally uncomfortable topic in modern liberal democracies. The possibility of intractable differences among people does not fit easily into the worldview of journalists and other members of the intellectual class who have an aversion to inequality. The unfortunate—but all too human—reaction is to avoid seriously grappling with inconvenient truths. And I suspect the people who lash out in anger are the ones who are most internally conflicted.

But I see little value in speculating further about causes. Change is what’s needed. And the first thing for reporters, commentators, and non-experts to do is to stop demonizing public discussion of IQ differences. Stop calling names. Stop trying to get people fired. Most of all, stop making pronouncements about research without first reading the literature or consulting people who have.

This is not just about academic freedom or any one scholar’s reputation. Cognitive differences can inform our understanding of a number of policy issues—everything from education, to military recruitment, to employment discrimination to, yes, immigration. Start treating the science of mental ability seriously, and both political discourse and public policy will be better for it.

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  • JohnEngelman

    But specific policies based on premises that conflict with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm…

    Consider an observation furtively voiced by many who interact with civil servants: that government is riddled with people who have been promoted to their level of incompetence because of pressure to have a staff with the correct sex and ethnicity in the correct proportions and positions. Are these just anecdotes? Or should we be worrying about the effects of affirmative action on the quality of government services? (77) It would be helpful to know the answers, but we will not so long as the taboo against talking about group difference prevails.

    – Charles Murray from “The Inequality Taboo”

    • Sick of it

      Another good example would be the revolving door a.k.a. the modern prison system.

      • JohnEngelman

        Most criminals cannot be rehabilitated. Most poor ghetto blacks cannot be educated. Most liberals refuse to accept those two obvious truths.

        • I rehabilitated my own damned self. Your saying that “criminals” can not be rehabilitated is the same damned thing as some others saying that Jews can’t be.

          I don’t hate Jews, so please don’t lump all ex-cons as the same. We are not all alike, and we deserve to be treated as individuals, the same way you want to be.

          • me

            I don’t think that Engelman was talking about Whites in particular…

          • Brutus

            I don’t read “most criminals” as identical to “all criminals.” I would agree that most criminals, and specifically violent criminals, probably can’t be rehabilitated, but some obviously can.

          • JohnEngelman

            The problem is that we can’t predict which violent street criminals can be rehabilitated and which ones can’t be. I read recently that eighty percent of violent street criminals commit violent street crimes within two years of being released. Think of their victims.

            Do the twenty percent who go straight justify the crimes committed by the eighty percent who do not?

          • WR_the_realist

            Should the one out of five criminals who go straight have to be locked up forever because of the 80% who don’t? I suppose we could cut crime by making every felony a life sentence but we could neither afford that nor would I like to live in such a country. I don’t see any reason to keep Michael Christopher Scott behind bars.

  • Danimalius

    An intelligent white man fighting back is a dangerous man indeed.

    • It is also why our true enemy is the intelligent white man who is out to fill his own coffers.
      Look who is exactly behind the Liberal Agenda. Who organizes it, funds it, and thinks long term enough to have their bases covered?
      They sure aren’t black, or any other minority. They aren’t even white women. Everything women and minorities are, were created by white men out to serve their own interests. Their private actions are proof that they themselves do not believe in diversity or little else of what they are pushing upon the masses.

      • Everyone who ever lied to me about money was a white male Catholic. I’m not Catholic, was never baptized, but I trusted them.

      • Bo_Sears

        D.B. Cooper: If Resisting Defamation understands what you are saying, we agree completely that the conflict in America is a civil war between two different clusters of diverse white Americans than any conflict between different races or demographic affinity groups.

        One cluster is a combo of the urban-coastal class and the dominant media complex. They flash red banners in our faces constantly that scream at us to scream back at the faces they publicize. And a lot of us fall for it every time.

        When we see a Rev. Sharpton promote “cracker” or “hillbilly” or “redneck” on TV, take a second to realize that he is speaking his hateful nature as well as he can, but he is not the guy behind the camera or the gal producing the TV show in question.

        It is the guy behind the camera and the gal producing the TV show we should seek to identity and humiliate by exposing their identity to the public. It’s the same technique used by the hard left, for an example, if you go back to the David Duke campaign in Louisiana for a state level office….after he lost we saw in local newspapers the names & addresses of all the local people in our county who donated money to his campaign in Louisiana.

        We have the same right to investigate and expose those who bait us to have anger over persons trampling on our dignity and honor.

        Forget about the mouthpieces, the real hatermongers are the persons giving others megaphones and microphones and amplifiers to stir us into an unreasoning dislike for the actors on the stage.

        It’s a little like hating Archie Bunker for embarrassing all white blue-collar American workers with his uncouth gestures, cringing, and complaining, when all the actor did was read lines written by Norman Milton Lear, that rascal who took the money for mocking blue-color workers and founded his anti-American and anti-white “People for the American Way” organization.

        • Greg_Deane

          Carroll O’Connor may have been the front man for the Archie Bunker travesty of white working class men, but he is certainly deserving of opprobrium for his very deliberate and offensive portrayal of a vital segment of society that deserves much more respect. Likewise, Warren Mitchell is as much a traitor to his own kind for his portrayal of Archie’s original, the utterly abhorrent Alf Garnett, the tinpot tyrant of his miserable home, in Till Death Us Do Part.

          • Bo_Sears

            Surely it is the writers and producers and financiers and TV network owners who deserve the opprobrium. O’Connor did what he did for money in the lawful pursuit of his craft, but the ugly malign persons behind the TV show who made it all happen are the ones who deserve execration as sociopaths, psychopaths, and haters of the diverse white American working man.

            But we’re making progress as we start to recognize that it is the diverse white Americans who have been targeted as figures to mock and belittle, in the context of “humor” on the screen and TV.

          • Greg_Deane

            O’Connor relished that sort of redneck role, like the role of the racist sheriff transformed by the black genius detective in the series Heat of the Night. Of course he was an opportunist but he made the most of opportunities as an evangelist preaching the wickedness of the evil white man and the virtues of oppressed races. Likewise with Garnett.

      • Spartacus

        Jews aren’t white …

        • JohnEngelman

          I guess water is not wet either.

          • Bo_Sears

            JohnEngelman, yes water is wet even when it is steam or snow or ice.

        • Sloppo

          Politically powerful Jews tend to see their interests as something diametrically opposed to those of non-Jewish whites so it seems logical to consider them to be a separate group. Whether or not they are genetically “white” is not of great importance to me because politically they are not.

          • Beetlejuice

            “Should Jews be considered Whites?”

            Jews typically do not identify with the people and culture of Christian Europe and its offshoots; traditional Jewish attitudes conceptualize Judaism as separate from White, Christian society; partly because of their lack of identification with non-White Christian culture, Jewish groups have led the campaign to remove Christianity from the public square

            There is a long history of very mainstream Jewish activism and identity that sees Christian Europe as an evil outgroup responsible for a long history of persecuting Jews; an important aspect of Jewish self-conception in America.

            Jews are a relatively powerful group that has often been in competition with non-Jewish Europeans

            Jewish ethnic activism typically excludes non-Jewish Whites and favors Jews, as in the appointment of Elena Kagan and the Jewish campaign to increase Jewish enrollment in Ivy League universities.

            As a result, the distinction between Jew and non-Jewish White is of considerable real world importance.

            http://www theoccidentalobserv

          • Luca Kreutz

            Very good points!
            Best regards

          • You mean Supreme Court Justice Kaganovitch?

            I call her by her real name.

          • JohnEngelman

            There is a long history of very mainstream Jewish activism and identity that sees Christian Europe as an evil outgroup responsible for a long history of persecuting Jews.

            – Beetlejuice

            Considering the long history of Christians persecuting Jews I can understand why many Jews feel his way.

          • WR_the_realist

            The truth is that there have been paranoid views on both sides that have created fear of the opposition and sometimes violence against the opposition, on both sides. The paranoia of one side feeds the paranoia of the other. Every new stormfronter just creates another JDL crazy. What we need is to reduce the paranoia on both sides, not feed it. Unfortunately the anti-Jewish white nationalists are doing exactly the wrong thing.

          • JohnEngelman

            Gentiles have no reason to fear the Jews. Some of them resent Jewish intelligence and prosperity.

          • David Ashton

            I accidentally pressed vote up instead of Reply. There are both criticisms and compliments that can be accorded to the various activities of Jews like anyone else, and those of them who behave in an undesirable manner can have disproportionate effects precisely because of their wealth and acumen.

          • JohnEngelman

            those of them who behave in an undesirable manner can have disproportionate effects precisely because of their wealth and acumen.

            – David Ashton

            One can say the same of rich Gentiles.

          • David Ashton

            Of course, but “rich Gentiles” may not have the same ethnic interests as “rich Jews” or indeed network in a similar manner.

          • WR_the_realist

            One thing I can say about rich Jews — they care about other Jews. The biggest political donor in America is a rich Jew whose sole issue is Israel. But I never see rich non-Jewish whites care a whit about other whites. Look at Bill Gates, whose Millennium Foundation scholarship is for anyone except whites.

          • stewball

            Not every jew is rich. Not every jew has a high IQ. My dad did. He was self taught after having to leave school at the age of 13. After the 2nd world war he studied to be an optician but worked for somebody. My mum was a sales person. I worked on Saturdays as did my sister.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am glad for each of you.

          • stewball

            Ooh. Sarcy.

          • stewball

            Yay for the realist.

          • Beetlejuice

            Oh, I get it now. Even though Jews made a CHOICE to join a society of Christian Europeans who founded a Christian-based society “we” should understand their “feelings.” And to prevent such “feelings” due to the “legacy of the Holocaust” all white children should ceded their homelands and cease to exist.

            If the lessons of the Holocaust are that genocide is evil and the best defense against genocide is to have one’s own state, then we think this lesson applies to us too.

            Jews are no longer being subjected to active, ongoing genocide, but we are.

            You are an anti-white who supports policies that forcefully create a world without white people. 

            Why you’re allowed to post on a white-issues site is a mystery to me.

          • Glickstein44

            A bigger mystery is why would AR make him a moderator.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Engleman’s a moderator? Huh?

          • David Ashton

            Is this true, Comrade Engelman?

          • NeanderthalDNA

            No. 99% sure he is not. The moderator is the moderator. Pretty sure.

            I have never heard anything to suggest Comrade Engleman is a moderator.

            Moderator? Any input here?

          • David Ashton

            This allegation has been made at least twice on this site.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Including the above? Perhaps I’m wrong. Has a moderator ever chimed in?

            I could see it, though. I think Amren wants to build a bigger ideological tent than standard “fringe” rightist movements and the inclusion of an Engleman would serve that purpose, or the purpose of some form of innocuous straw man at which we could hurl darts and barbs. Direct discussion and interaction.

            I still don’t think so but I’ve ben wrong in the past, will be so in the future.

            “Time makes liars of us all.” Gene Wolfe, my favorite Sci-fi/fantasy author ever.

          • David Ashton

            He has an email address on profile but I do not wish to give him mine.

          • ms_anthro

            JE is a moderator who deletes posts that prove him wrong. Not only has he never denied it, but whoever posts as “Moderator” has been conspicuously silent on the issue. Additionally, he has given me exact reasons for why my specific posts were deleted (untrue reasons but obviously his own).

            You’ll notice the only posts that get memory-holed on AmRen are the ones that contradict his most commonly stated beliefs or prove his unsourced assertions wrong with references.

            Case in point, this post has already been quietly deleted five times. Copy-paste must be the bane of Engelman’s online existence.

          • David Ashton

            I have been puzzled by the disappearance of posts on threads which are then still found on my personal archive. Sometimes you don’t know whether you are coming or going – which can be annoying if some thought or documentation is put into a reply – or if it pops up twice.

            Now the comment from JE immediately below this as I write has been “awaiting moderation” for some time, but can be read if you press on “Show comment”. Maybe the internet system itself is faulty.

          • ms_anthro

            JE is a moderator who deletes posts that prove him wrong. Not only has he never denied it, but whoever posts as “Moderator” has been conspicuously silent on the issue. Additionally, he has given me exact reasons for why my specific posts were deleted (untrue reasons but obviously his own).

            You’ll notice the only posts that get memory-holed on AmRen are the ones that contradict his most commonly stated beliefs or prove his unsourced assertions wrong with references. I expect this post will be deleted soon too.

          • ms_anthro

            JE is a moderator who deletes posts that prove him wrong. Not only has he never denied it, but whoever posts as “Moderator” has been conspicuously silent on the issue. Additionally, he has given me exact reasons for why my specific posts were deleted (untrue reasons but obviously his own).

            You’ll notice the only posts that get memory-holed on AmRen are the ones that contradict his most commonly stated beliefs or prove his unsourced assertions wrong with references.

            Case in point, this post has already been quietly deleted once. Copy-paste must be the bane of Engelman’s online existence.

          • ms_anthro

            JE is a moderator who deletes posts that prove him wrong. Not only has he never denied it, but whoever posts as “Moderator” has been conspicuously silent on the issue. Additionally, he has given me exact reasons for why my specific posts were deleted (untrue reasons but obviously his own).

            You’ll notice the only posts that get memory-holed on AmRen are the ones that contradict his most commonly stated beliefs or prove his unsourced assertions wrong with references.

            Case in point, this post has already been quietly deleted four times. Copy-paste must be the bane of Engelman’s online existence.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews are no longer being subjected to active, ongoing genocide, but we are.

            – Beetlejuice

            I will join your complaints about genocide as soon as I smell the smoke from the crematoria where millions of white Gentiles are cremated after being gassed by cultural Marxists.

          • ms_anthro

            How about the corpses of those starved by the Bolsheviks? Or do those tens of millions of Gentile bodies not count?

          • JohnEngelman

            Posters who complain about genocide imagine that it is happening in the United States.

          • ms_anthro

            It’s happening in every White country, and only White countries. What’s your point?

          • Beetlejuice

            If there is no White geNOcide, then it should be very easy to name countries where explicitly White schools, White business, White churches, White institutions and communities are allowed to exist, and maintain themselves without being called “Racist.”

          • NeanderthalDNA

            “Jews are no longer being subjected to active, ongoing genocide, but we are.”

            If legally they are being treated as White, and they are, then they certainly are being genocided…this time they’re NOT alone, though…

          • Beetlejuice

            They have a homeland that is set up just for THEIR people and their people only. They are using DNA to make sure ONLY their people settle there. You are not welcome to settle there if you are white.

            When the SHTF, and it will, they have a homeland where they are offered sanctuary and can be with their own people. They are in the process of removing “others” like 3rd world Africans from their land – and building a wall to keep them out.

            Name a homeland that is dedicated to and for whites and only whites, where only whites are allowed to settle.

            Then tell me about Jews being genocided.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Sure, that’s inarguable. More power to them. Why are we so stupid in this regard?

            I’m gonna write a letter to Vladimir Putin requesting Russia accept White refugees from genocide. Siberia is big and I’d rather freeze in a climate my genetics are well suited for than drown in a sea of black and brown.

            I’d rather be a janitor in Heaven than a prince of hell. Snowy, forested, blackless Heaven.

            But I think we still have hope to reorder our own houses. Take out the trash, scrub the stains and apply a new whitewashing. If not, always Russia.

          • Beetlejuice

            Oh do tell: How, exactly, are we going to “reorder our own house” and “apply a new whitewashing?”

            This should be good.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            That’s a great question and I do not pretend to have anything resembling a definitive answer.
            I, like all armchair generals have suggestions and ideas. I would love to present them but they are lengthy and replete with caveats and open ended statements. I would love input.
            My crazy dream involves forming a real movement and umbrella organization, as well as an anti-ideological ideology, so to speak, that can serve to unify enough of our folk to start to change things.
            There. There’s an opening salvo. Your turn.

          • stewball

            I don’t think there is such a word as ‘genocided’ Still msmaybe it’s a new American word. If you’re talking about Israel testing DNA then you really are talking out of your hat. If you are then come back and I’ll tell you where you’ve gone wrong. And if you’re talking about genocide why isn’t the world helping the syrians-like Israel is – the Egyptians all the rest of the middle east but letting hundreds of thousands of Muslims die whilst they focus on israel, the big bad wolf. I wish all you people who say we’re like Nazis and an apartheid country would come here and see for yourselves what exactly is going on here. I don’t suppose anyone has heard about all the wounded syrians near us have come to our borders been taken in and sent to our hospitals for treatment. One man close to dying was sent by a syrian doctor with s note pinned to him saying what treatment he’s had and can go no further. They know we would never turn them away. What do you think would happen if it was the other way round?

          • Beetlejuice

            Let me enlighten you:

            Israel’s immigration policy is based on the 1950 “Law of Return” which declares that only Jews, form anywhere in the world, have the right to settle in Israel. The law is specifically racial in basis, and a 1970 amendment specified that the minimum qualification for the definition of a Jew is someone with Jewish grandparents. Those who emigrate to Israel under the Law of Return are immediately entitled to citizenship.

            According to an article in the Times of Israel, Russian-speakers who want to make “aliya” will in future need a DNA test.

            According to the Times of Israel, “would-be immigrants from former Soviet Union may be asked to prove [their] Jewish bloodline” and will be “subjected to DNA testing to prove their Jewishness.”

            The announcement, made by the Israeli Prime Minister’s Office, said “many Jews from the FSU [Russia] who were born out-of-wedlock can be required to bring DNA confirmation of Jewish heritage in order to be allowed to immigrate as a Jew.
            “A source in the PMO told Maariv that the consul’s procedure, approved by the legal department of the Interior Ministry, states that a Russian-speaking child born out-of-wedlock is eligible to receive an Israeli immigration visa if the birth was registered before the child turned 3. Otherwise a DNA test to prove Jewish parentage is necessary.

            Determining who is a Jew — a definition which has evolved along with the religion’s many streams — has led the interior Ministry to create a somewhat byzantine system of checks and rules and has sometimes led applicants, especially converts to Judaism, to fight for the right to immigrate in Israeli courts.”

            Pay attention here:

            This demand for DNA tests for immigrants to Israel contrasts dramatically with the demand for open borders made by all Jewish organizations in America and elsewhere.

            We whites built and created the United States and Canada. We have every right to demand that the country we built for ourselves in our own image remain that way and not be opened up to the scum of the third world.

            Do you not find it hypocritical that all Jewish groups, with their power and money demand that white countries keep their borders wide open to the third world yet hypocritically demand that Israel remain a Jewish and ONLY Jewish state?

          • stewball

            Not at the moment. Let’s wait and see what’s going to happen in the future!

          • JohnEngelman

            You are an anti-white who supports policies that forcefully create a world without white people.

            – Beetlejuice

            When, where, and how have I ever advocated the forceful genocide of the white race?

            To save you a search through this website, just explain how I have advocated forceful genocide of the white race.

            What some posters call “genocide” and “race displacement” I see as a continuing evolutionary process favoring the more intelligent. That is the way human evolution has always worked.

          • David Ashton

            Immigration of non-whites and miscegenation with those of lower average intelligence is tantamount to genocide which is the destruction of a racial or national group in whole or part. The process is “enforced” to the extent that mass-immigration and multi-culturalism are officially promoted, contrary to majority wishes and interest, and white resistance in speech or association is subject to informal and formal pressures.

          • stewball

            Tell me something. Yes the jews do have their own country. Why should you complain. It’s not as if anybody wants them in their countries. I’m sure all of Europe would love the awful nuisance making jews to leave and come here. I do agree that the Holocaust is used to much but those who survived and those who lost whole families will never forget and nor should we. Most of the jews are in Christian countries! are there because they had no choice. After all Britain wouldn’t let them into israel. But I wish I had had rich parents. How much easier my life would have been.

          • Beetlejuice

            Because ALL Jewish organizations demand that America and Canada keep their borders wide open so Whites will be deprived of a homeland while hypocritically demanding the only Jews are allowed to immigrate to Israel.

            That’s why. Tell your fellow ethnics to stop genociding my people.

          • saxonsun

            After everything you’ve said, the truth remains. Jews are white. They’re not YOUR kind of white but that personal view cannot alter the facts.

          • Beetlejuice

            Which land has been set aside as a White homeland for Whites and Whites only?

            When the SHTF, why can’t I immigrate to Israel like my Jewish neighbors? Hmmm?

            After all, we’re both white, right?

          • Beetlejuice

            Do you agree that all races; Blacks, Jews, Whites, Arabs have the right to their own living spaces so they can ensure the survival of their people?

            Which country is it that’s being set aside as a WHITE homeland? Why can’t I immigrate to Israel when the SHTF like my Jewish neighbors?
            After all, we’re all white, according to you

            Looks like a lot of people on this forum agree with my post above that Jews are NOT white and do not consider themselves white.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            “Looks like a lot of people on this forum agree with my post”

            Making it therefore right?

          • Beetlejuice

            Now, Neanderthal DNA, if you want to have a REAL debate and look at the FACTS, I’m all ready to debate with you, but you have to stop with silly answers. 

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I’d love to have a LEGITIMATE debate, BJ.

            At the risk of poisoning the well, let me point out that your statement about which I commented is an argumentum ad populum, an appeal to the popular will of the community, not unlike the liblefty response to race realist arguments.

            Certainly in the context of a folk trying to agree upon anything, there is I would argue, some validity to the fallacy, but in terms of debate such is indeed a fallacy.

            Furthermore I detect in your questions regarding my position on White homelands a vague imputation of the affirmative, which approaches or indicates the intent to launch a “straw man” line of argument regarding my positions and belief.

            You know what happens when you assume, right, lol?

          • Sick of it

            Genetic testing says otherwise.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yes, lot’s of powerful and wealthy Jews are all into the liblefty thing and profit thereby. But many, even among the elites, are not ideological on board. Furthermore, those Jews in the middle class and working class (yes, there some, lol) are seriously rethinking some things now.

            According to the law, Jews must be White since there is no provision to hire quotas of Jews, give them scholarships or even admit them to colleges bases on something so old fashioned as merit. I admire Amren for it’s handling of the Jewish question.

            If I believed the Jews were as powerful as the hardcore conspiricists claim…I’d be living in the woods and preparing to make my last bloody stand because there is no hope, lol… If they are THAT powerful, then our only hope for survival is to get them on our side and convince them they will have a place in our future.

            Don’t mistake, wealth = power and follow the money, but… I simply personally know, have known many White Jews, proud of their whiteness, who utterly reject Marxism, the liblefty abomination. They know that when the bash mobs come a bashing, they will bash Jews.

            Truth is there has always been an ugly, irrational attitude toward them, first from a religious standpoint then from an economic one. White Europeans have sometimes been pretty nasty to ’em. Imagine, charging interest on loans!!!!

            Jew among you, Pesach Point, many good White Jews who post here, who belong here, who have much to contribute to our cause. One wonders what the nature of Mussolini’s fascism would have been without the interference of Hitler and his National SOCIALISTS…Some pretty sharp and patriotic Italian fascists were shamefully thrown under the bus, including…

            “In Italy, a significant minority of Jewish Italians supported both Benito Mussolini and Fascism. It is estimated that in 1938, the year antisemitic laws began in Italy, 10,000 Italian Jews belonged to the Italian Fascist Party.[1] One of the most significant was Aldo Finzi[2] who became a member of the Fascist Grand Council before breaking with Fascism in strong terms. A more “loyal” example was Ettore Ovazza who had been involved in the March on Rome and in 1935 founded the Jewish/Fascist paper La Nostra Bandiera. Despite the unwavering nature of his Fascism, and his staunch Anti-Zionism, in 1943 he would be murdered by the Nazis.[3]”

            From Wikipedia, search “Jewish Right”.

            I’m not a fascist, by the way. I admire many of the principles of Italian Fascism, especially the rejection of totalitarian socialism and unrestricted liberalism (in the more classic sense), believe we could incorporate some of it’s ideas and techniques in a new form, not necessarily anti-democratic. Whatever “democracy” even means any more, which increasingly in the West approaches some kind of warped mob rule tyranny of the majority (totalitarian democracy, as a bright Jew referred to it)…

            “Totalitarian democracy is a term made famous by Israeli historian J. L. Talmon to refer to a system of government in which lawfully elected representatives maintain the integrity of a nation state whose citizens, while granted the right to vote, have little or no participation in the decision-making process of the government.[1] The phrase had previously been used by Bertrand de Jouvenel[2] and E.H. Carr,[3] and subsequently by F. William Engdahl[4] and Sheldon S. Wolin.[5]”
            Again, wiki, search “totalitarian democracy”…
            Whereas classical Fascism tried to carve out a “third way”, I actually seek out a “fourth way”, dedicated to Truth (which is on our side) rather than constructing or reconstructing some sort of hubritic feel-good mythology. I also neither reject nor deify “democracy”, a very plastic term, nor do I support the kind of military expansion/adventurism of the 3rd way. Not a pacifist, but utterly convinced we are far too entangled in a screwy old world and that a strong defense does not involve serving as the beat cop of the world.
            Personally, back to the Jew thing, I’m neither pro nor anti Jew. Most Jews I’ve known look, act, live and self identify as White and I cannot throw them under the bus. Tim Wise? Under the bus. Jew among you, a strong opined young woman with a website I’ve gotten some kicks from, “the mad Jewess”, lol, folks like that? Come on, you gotta be kidding. Ever seen some of Sarah Silverman’s edgier material regarding blacks? HA HA!
            Ugh…day off but gotta get back to massive cleanup. Just bug bombed the place and had to sit outside for an hour after got the cats out and puked. Lots of dead roaches. Felling better, windows open, AC on. Goal – live like a White person, LOL!!!

          • Beetlejuice

            You need to read The Culture of Critique from cover to cover like a lot of other people here to know what’s going on and who your true enemies are.

          • Sick of it

            Red Hollywood is another good book, as are the House of Rothschild books by Niall Ferguson. And then there’s The Creature From Jekyll Island.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Should I not begin with the previous two volumes?

          • stewball

            I loved Christmas. Parties. Presents at work. Christmas party at work. And I love carols. I still sing them and not just on Christmas. Do don’t lump all of us together. We’re all different.

          • David Ashton

            Jingle Bells, Father Xmas, Winter Parties, Hanukkah Menorah in Christian windows….

            Not the Talmud/Toledoth Yeshu picture of Mary as a whore.

          • Beetlejuice

            Then tell your fellow ethnics to stop their War on Christmas.

          • stewball

            What war on Christmas for goodness sake but if you’re bringing this up – although I don’t know what you are talking about – I suppose being attacked on 3 sides on Yom Kippur Which is the holiest day of the year which is why they did it of course not that it helped them. You cannot compare Christmas with yom Kippur. Really. That’s a day of holidays. Parties. Presents. Christmas trees and it’s not even Jesus’ s birthday. Everybody knows that 25th December was a pagan holiday and he was born in March. Facts facts young lady.

          • stewball

            Jews jews jews. What a narrow little life you lead. Can you only think of who can I hate today. Mmmm let me think. The blacks? No that’s old already. The commies? Nah. Not worth it. The gays? Maybe. The roma? – gypsies In case you didn’t know that. Good idea. All the illegal Latinos. Oh yeah but first let’s get rid of those damn jews. They steal from me. Hurt me. Do better than me in school and university. Earn more than me. Have better lives than me because they work so hard. Oh right. That’s why some of them are rich. They ‘worked’ for their money. Have you heard about work? Nah. It’s easier to hate hate hate anybody who’s not a WPA!

      • JohnEngelman

        The intelligent white man who is out to fill his own coffers is a billionaire who benefits from Republican economic policies.

        • Bo_Sears

          JohnEngelman, how do you explain all the Hollywood and Wall Street billionaires who bought and paid for the Obama administration? President Obama had far more financial support from far more wealthy Americans that former Gov. Mitt Romney. You may have some disordered categories in this discourse.

          • JohnEngelman

            There are rich people who vote Democrat. There are poor whites who vote Republican. Nevertheless, Republican economic policies benefit the rich at the expense of everyone else.

            Republicans favor tax cuts for the rich, and cuts in middle class entitlements. Tax cuts for the rich do not lead to more jobs for the unemployed. They lead to deeper deficits, cuts in programs that benefit those who are not rich, and/or tax increases for everyone who is not rich.

          • Bo_Sears

            But Democrats are determined to benefit the super-rich that notably prowl Wall Street and Hollywood. If there is any political party that is overwhelmingly dedicated to the rich, it is the Democratic Party and your generalized remarks about tax cuts and entitlement cuts don’t scratch the surface of all the massive incentives by Democrats to pour money into the pockets of their rich supporters.

          • WR_the_realist

            Both parties are so horrible I’d be embarrassed to belong to either. While it is certainly true that Republicans always favor tax cuts, no matter how dire the imbalance in the budget, it is also true that Democrats always favor additional expensive social programs, no matter how dire the imbalance in the budget. And when Democrats propose tax increases on the rich, I’ve noticed that inevitably those changes increase my own taxes, even though I am middle class and far from rich. The reality is that while Republicans are the party of millionaires, the Democrats are the party of billionaires. Their tax policies are careful to define “rich” so as to include the upper half of the middle class that votes Republican, rather put the bulk of the burden on the super rich who fund the Democratic Party. The working class (white and black) as will as much of the middle class will be screwed by the pending immigration bill, which amnesties illegal aliens, greatly increases the number of H-1b workers, and greatly increases the number of guest workers. While some Republicans support this monster every Democrat does (judging by how the senate voted). Republicans are horrid on war and the Bill of Rights, as we’ve seen ever since 9/11. The 4th Amendment is dead. Obama has proved that a left wing Democrat can be elected and you will get a continuance of the exact same war policies and domestic police state policies.

            How any intelligent person could still be making excuses for either party is beyond my understanding.

          • David Ashton

            Am I not correct in thinking that the Soros and liberal-foundation support for Obama was opposed by Jews like David Horowitz?
            Usually Jews work together collectively only when they think they are threatened collectively. But their discomfort among Gentile nationalisms has been and remains a mutual problem.

          • Bo_Sears

            David, I’m writing on behalf of Resisting Defamation, and I’m bound by its rules one of which is that we don’t comment on, or name, label, define, or describe demographic affinity groups except for the diverse white Americans. And I have no idea what “Gentile nationalisms” might mean…we’re not Gentiles, we reserve the right to name ourselves, not accept anyone else’s label for us.

            Facebook: Resisting.Defamation
            Web site: ResistingDefamation [dot] org

          • David Ashton

            To understand what Jews call “antisemitism” fully you need to understand how they have seen themselves in societies that are not Jewish. Jews will call us Gentiles but we do not so describe ourselves. There are many aspects to anti-Jewish ideas and actions, but the root problem, to simplify it for convenience, is that Jews have been a people without a national homeland and yet scattered among the national homelands of other peoples. This has caused friction down the centuries. The situation before and after Hitler, and before and after Israel, have added new complications.

            I have quoted the late Rabbi Hugo Gryn as saying that Jews do not feel safe and secure unless they feel supreme. This is the crux of the present dispute in the USA especially, because of course the influence exerted by Jews to further what they conceive as their own ethnic interests provokes more suspicion in a spiral of mutual hostility. White nationalists, however, do not help themselves by resorting to anti-Jewish crudities, promoting the Protocols of Zion as a literally authentic document, pseudo-biological demonisations of the type found in e.g. Nazi propaganda, &c.

            To recognise “faults” on “both” sides does not endanger my personal concern to defend white western nations; it simply helps me to negotiate a sensible modus vivendi. As stated several times, I oppose Jews – however many or influential – who promote non-white multicultural immigration into western societies, from whatever motive, and support Jews who take a contrary view.

          • Bo_Sears

            Our concern is to combat the anti-white narrative, otherwise known as the campaign of defamation against the diverse white American peoples. We are not interested in anyone else…sorting how the whys and wherefores of psychological responses on our part is reserved for the diverse white Americans.

          • David Ashton

            I support the refutation of anti-white defamation which is why I intend to include chapters on it my proposed book “Lies and Legends of the Left” (e.g. slavery, black icons, “holocaust” psy-weaponry, &c). However, I have additional ideas in seeking to defend our civilization, and its reputation, against organised attack, which is why I bothered to answer your particular question. If you seek to “know your enemies”, you need to know your enemies.

          • Bo_Sears

            David: We do not engage in refuting the anti-white narrative. We teach that it exists, that it stitches together all the hate propaganda that has cherry-picked bad white behavior, real or hoaxed, and covered up others’ bad behavior from the March on Skokie hoax to later public dramas, that, real or phony, are megaphoned to the heavens in order to silence the diverse white Americans. The anti-white narrative also goes all out to smother mention of our diversity and, in the media, that we are actually Americans.

            We do not seek to know our enemies, they tell us forthrightly that they hate & despise us. And we’re not locked into any puzzlement, sorry you got that impression. Once you recognize the pattern of abuse and hate speech, almost always in the passive-aggressive voice, you can see the anti-white narrative for yourself. Don’t need a book to see which way the wind blows.

          • David Ashton

            I have indeed “noticed” the narrative in the UK, USA & elsewhere – only for some 50 years!

            We perhaps have different views on what best to do about it, and I don’t intend to stop writing against it.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I post here too much, but I am interested. Big oaks from little acorns grow, and I think you and I and almost everyone here has something to contribute.

            More to say, but think I’ll wait til the new postings go up. Very important our posters see this stuff and looking at the clock, starting to get around to fixin’ to be time for some new stories to go up.

            Topic I’m thinking of now – how to deal with the “diverse” beliefs, values, pre-held notions of our folk, which I posit involves the development of an…anti-ideological ideology that can serve to attract enough of us AND hold us together strongly enough to change things for real. The struggle will be long and difficult and the last thing we Whites need to do is to sail through the crushing Scylla and Charybdis of “left” and “right”, and whatever other two headed monstrosity of mutually supporting “opposites” one cares to puke up.

            There’s gotta be a way around it.

          • Sick of it

            The first bad experience I had with a Jewish person was entirely due to her own inscrutable actions. Back then, I was a naive little kid who had no idea why she had a problem with me. The more I have learned, the more I came to realize that they have made themselves our enemies, not the other way around. I’d be happy if they all sang and danced merrily somewhere in Israel, but I do not want them wrecking my homeland any further.

        • me

          I think that the ‘elites’ are from both sides of the aisle, but only one group has a stranglehold on Marxist politics, the mainstream media, and the Federal Reserve banking system. The other group has the military-industrial complex, the plutocratic corporate stranglehold, and the corruption of Christianity. Both are equally dangerous to people that are not dwelling on their rarefied Mount Olympus.

          • JohnEngelman

            Marxism has never been a factor in American politics. “Marxist” is little more than a word Republican mothers use to scare their children with.

          • David Ashton

            You write as if there was never any communist infiltration in US government circles or influence elsewhere through front organizations, or any marxism today in academic and educational circles. It would be too tedious an effort to get to list all the evidence, though it can be done, but a bit pointless in view of your persistent attitude.

          • JohnEngelman

            There are quite a few people in the United States whose thinking has been influenced by the writing of Karl Marx. Mine has. My thinking has also been influenced by the writing of Edmund Burke.

            What do you mean by “communist infiltration?”

            Democracy works best when the voters are exposed to many points of view. Those sympathetic to the thinking of Marx have every right to try to influence public opinion by working in Hollywood, television, journalism, and in the academy.

            This is even true for those who think the Soviet Union was more nearly right during the Cold War.

            The only legitimate concern was passing classified information to the Soviets. Many who did this had non ideological motivations. They wanted money, or they resented being passed over for promotion, stuff like that.

          • David Ashton

            So you are now not denying the facts, only confining your objections to the passing of classified information to the USSR. If I were to note some of the massively documented publications on communist subversion and treason, you would simply repeat your usual mantra
            that this proves I have “lost” the argument!!

          • JohnEngelman

            When Karl Marx wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1847 blue collar workers were only allowed to vote in the United States. Even there only white men were allowed to vote. As suffrage extended to industrial and farm workers in Europe Marx came to believe that his ideals could be achieved democratically.

            Communist subversion was never a legitimate concern. Communist Party members had and have the right to express their opinions as long as they do not resort to violence.

            As far as “treason” is concerned, many Americans including me believe that the United States shared responsibility for the Cold War.

            As far as my “red slip” showing, I have known members of the American Communist Party. I have always liked them, although we disagreed on fundamental issues.

          • Sick of it

            Marx believed so much in democracy that he was the mastermind behind the Revolutions of 1848…

          • JohnEngelman

            The revolutions of 1848 were against absolute monarchies.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I have to disagree. As a refugee from the American left I once spent much of my political arguing ridiculing conservatives for their overuse of the terms “Marxist”, “Communist”, even to an extent “Socialism”. Still recoil from it, one reason I like to use the term “liblefty”.

            You know, when I was a kid, I thought all this civil rights crap meant one day we would live in a country where everybody was to be judged not on race nor ethnicity, but on merit. If one wanted a civil service job, one would take an exam without specifying one’s ethnicity, and the best and brightest regardless of color, would get the job. What a wonderful world of glitter and unicorns! I personally have no problem with some aspects of “socialism”, when implemented by a COMPETENT civil service. I actually think good government HELPS business and thence general prosperity.

            Furthermore I think SOME wealth redistribution is absolutely necessary. Automation and progress really are squeezing traditional decent paying jobs out of existence and when the consumer has no expendable income the producer loses as well. My problem with our welfare state and those of other nations of the West is not the “welfare” so much as the horribly misguided form of dole we practice that is destroying our civilization.

            What’s wrong with, say…

            “Hey. Here’s some money, some benefits. Say ‘thank you’ why don’t you, first of all, rather than bite the hand that feds you. Oh, and I see you have a couple of bastards (that’s what they are) you can’t afford too. Here’s the deal Shareeka…you get a free tubal ligation and maybe you get a little break or something. You, Shareeka, are owed nothing from anyone for breathing and breeding, dear. Quite the opposite – you owe your society/country/community a certain level of responsibility that involves not having children you cannot support, will not raise properly (the more you have the worse), and which will statistically speaking be far more likely to cost society far more than they contribute over the course of their lives. Snip snip, Shareeka. Raise yer sproggos better because you have less of them. Or go act like an idiot but at least squirt no more wards of the state.”
            And you know…I’d have no problem applying this to my own people as well. It’s just not really an issue with us, but so what?

            The kind of garbage Humanities and Social “Sciences” are and have been putting out for half a century – that stuff really is a form of Marxism, I’ve come to see, and it’s ugly, nasty, genocidal, and REAL.

          • me

            Nope. That’s a blatant lie. Engelman, you should admit to, and be proud of, the political system of ‘Marxism’. It’s another great invention created by your ‘superior’ people. Oy!

          • me

            ‘Marxism’ was ‘invented’ by the ‘superior’ non-goy. Why aren’t you bragging about the deadliest form of political philosophy instead of denying it’s very existence, Engelman?

          • David Ashton

            Actually Old Whiskers had a somewhat ambiguous relationship to the other “non-goyim” and his capitalist collaborator Engels was a goy (and a “homophobe” to boot). See e.g. Robert S. Wistrich, “Revolutionary Jews from Marx to Trotsky” (London 1976) esp. p.39.

          • JohnEngelman

            Karl Marx had valid insights. He realized that the natural tendency of capitalism is to accumulate wealth at the top, and to go through increasingly serious economic downturns. When he wrote The Communist Manifesto in 1847 he predicted the Great Depression that began with the stock market crash of 1929.

            The economic policies of John Maynard Keynes controlled these natural tendencies. Because of Republican tax cuts for the rich and deregulation they are once again becoming apparent.

            Karl Marx’ chief mistake was to assume that class consciousness is stronger than loyalties of nation and race.

        • David Ashton

          Are you a Moderator on this site, or not?

  • Puggg

    Liberals think that IQ is largely irrelevant. Until it’s time to get a black murderer off death row.

    Why do the media act so irrationally when dealing with racial differences in IQ? Because the media and their archons are worried about the social and political consequences of society becoming comfortable with unegalitarianism.

    • Sick of it

      They should be worried. If things go much further, the media will be targeted for (justly deserved) violent retribution. No one likes a collaborator.

    • IanJMacDonald

      They also consider small DNA differences to be trivial – unless it involves exculpating a wrongly convicted defendant.

  • BonusGift

    I understand he is confused and depressed for being vilified and forced out of his position, but does he really believe that the way the message is presented will change things or that cognitive researchers “never successfully gotten the media to understand” but that he will? Am I to believe that he believes that the media is misguided and one more attempt at explaining will do the trick? Mr. Richwine, two words: “cultural Marxism”, please do yourself a favor and read about it and then try to not to have a conversation about IQ but realize you will never be allowed to have one as long as those who shall not be named control most of the mass media and refuse to have that conversation you so seem to want to have. Also, you are incorrect about the hierarchy as it is certain Asians (three Northeast groups specifically and certainly not all) that have higher reported average (and importantly not a broader distribution) than the overall European reported values (again, I understand that you feel you must say Asians > YT, but at least show some scientific backbone and accuracy for God’s sakes).

    • Conrad

      The emotional mind cannot be moved by reason. Liberals are very emotional and even anti-reason.

      • sbuffalonative

        True. But it’s also a defensive response. If they would admit to themselves that race, genes, and IQ were all intertwined, they would be the racist Nazis they hate.

        • Beetlejuice

          They know it just as we do, but they won’t admit it publicly. Where they live and where they send their children to get educated proves it.

      • MikeofAges

        For one thing, they are the products of discovery and exploration based (Montessori or the like) education rather than of classicism (received ideas, classic works, discoveries and expositions). The end result is that they start to lose track of what the fundamental values are and for a second thing become emotionally fragile so that they cannot tolerate the presence of anyone with a different background than their own. That is why they are so hostile to anyone with a more traditional education and background in the bedrock of culture, ideas and morals.

        Their answer is to provide everyone with the same upbringing and exposure they have had, no matter how expensive or implausible that undertaking might be. Or how little interested in their ministrations others might be. From the beginning of civilization, enterprising people have educated themselves. They have mastered the fundamentals of what culture and civilization are about and also sometimes have mastered difficult subjects or field of scholarship entirely on their own. Liberals have a lot of trouble with these kinds of people. Anyone who is actually fierce and original is very alarming to them.

        • Conrad

          Well stated.

        • David Ashton

          I think one should make an exception for Montessori herself. Her system was rational, highly controlled, based on careful observation and set within the western cultural heritage. It deprecated “play”.

          • Sick of it

            She would be very displeased with how Montessori schools are run then.

      • JohnEngelman

        Rational argument can be conducted with some prospect of success only so long as the emotionally of a given situation does not exceed a certain critical degree. If the affective temperature rises above this level, the possibility of reason’s having any effect ceases and its place is taken by slogans and chimerical wish fantasies.

        – Carl G. Jung, from “The Undiscovered Self”

        This is true for political partisans on either end of the political spectrum. Most Republicans believe that it is possible to cut taxes and balance the budget without cutting Social Security, Medicare, and military spending. They also disregard scientific evidence for man made global warming. Many believe in the literal truth of the Genesis creation story, and Noah’s flood.

        • Beetlejuice

          Just like you believe in the superiority of Asian and Jewish intelligence when all the empirical evidence proves you are wrong.

          The most advanced, modern, high-tech countries were created by and for whites and only whites. The fact that YOU are using technology created by brilliant whites, not Asians or Jews, and that we are using a white European language, not an Asian or Askanzic one only proves that.

          • WR_the_realist

            That’s funny. My library is lit with ultra efficient white LEDs. That’s thanks to a breakthrough by a Japanese engineer. I have a color LCD display on my computer. That technology was developed by Japanese companies. Tell me Beetlejuice, do you work in science or technology yourself? It would be hard for me to believe you are so ignorant if you do. Japan is every bit as technologically advanced as any western nation. Yes, they started out by learning and adopting the science and technology of the west, which was ahead of them in the 19th century. They were smart enough to see that this was necessary and smart enough to carry it out. Today they are at the leading edge of many technologies. I guarantee China will follow, as they have had the sense to throw out the ideology of Marxism and have moved to a type of state capitalism. It may not be an ideal system, but it will get the job done.

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you, WR_the_realist. Please post more often.

        • David Ashton

          “Being physically weaker, they have to aim at the chinks in the armour of their adversary, and thanks to this technique which has been forced upon them through the centuries, the Jews themselves are best protected where others are most vulnerable…. The Jew, who is something of a nomad, has never yet created a cultural form of his own…since all his instincts and gifts require a more or less civilized nation to act as host for their development.” – Carl G. Jung, from “Civilization in Transition”

          • JohnEngelman

            There is nothing there that suggests that Jews are less virtuous and intelligent than white Gentiles.

    • sshadow

      People always ignore the nuances. PISA scores 2009 show that American whites have a 5 point advantage over Japanese. Koreans do have a 14 point advantage. American whites have a 38 point and a 30 point advantage over Macao and Tapie Chinese respectively. It’s only the elite financial capital Shanghai that has a 21 point advantage over us at 556. The masses of the interior provinces almost certainly have substantially lower scores. Using Shanghai as a surrogate for the IQ of China is like using the IQ of on campus Yale faculty and students as a surrogate for Detroit IQ. I use an extreme example to illustrate the fallacy of using non-representative groups for the whole. I think that the idea of superior Asiatic IQ is a fallacy based on the above. Lower IQ Chinese are the vast majority in China. Why do they steal all our industrial secrets, while I’ve never heard of America stealing their secrets. It’s because our best are better than their best. A wider dispersion of IQ may help explain that. At any rate, we ushered in the modern era overwhelmingly, and they didn’t. The proof is really in the puddiing, isn’t it?

      • BonusGift

        Right on target and good points all. I also tire of the use of biased samples vs. unbiased as if that proves anything but statistical bias (especially picking and choosing within the single largest group of humans in human history). And, as you point out, the bottom line is the bottom line: why do they steal and who is responsible for what they steal?

  • JohnEngelman

    Organizations behave as though IQ tests and differences are unimportant when those organizations can behave that way without obvious harm to them. When a university admits a less intelligent black person or Hispanic instead of a more intelligent white or Oriental the more intelligent white or Oriental is harmed. The University is not. It still gets the tuition money.

    When the government hires a less intelligent black person or Hispanic rather than a more intelligent white or Oriental it is not harmed immediately, because it is not in competition with other organizations. The only exception here is the military. The U.S. military is in competition with the military forces of hostile countries. That is why the U.S. military pioneered IQ testing during World War I and continues to use it.

    Corporations in the private sector often play lip service to affirmative action. Nevertheless, they know that if they do not hire the most intelligent job applicants their competitors will. Consequently, intelligence testing is becoming increasingly important in making hiring decisions.

    • When the government hires a less intelligent black person or Hispanic …. it is not harmed immediately, because it is not in competition with other organizations.

      Take a city that went 25%+ black over 30 years ago and walk into any city government office and tell me it was not harmed immediately. There are on average three fairly useless unhelpful individuals doing the work of one capable person. And they are all making nice salaries, getting pensions, and other sweet gov bennies. When a city gov goes black, it is done. May take 25 to 30 years or more, but it is done. It is being gutted. What did Tony Soprano call it when he “closed out” that sporting goods store?

      • Beetlejuice

        One of the reasons I’m glad so many things have gone online, like DMV and even postal services. But also reservations for airlines,hotels, cars, etc. All of these industries are permeated with AA hires.

        Will have to dig up the article I read a while back about the tremendous drain AA has caused to private industry, not only financially but in terms of competition too because they are no longer allowed to hire only the best and brightest but must take deadwood too, as in useless blacks.

    • Sick of it

      I can tell you from personal experience that many corporations are hiring based upon affirmative action or some sort of quota system. Maybe not 15-20 years ago, but they are today. In my work experience, I ran into corporate officers who must have been affirmative action hires because they simply did not understand their own products and services.

      • me

        And that’s why corporations are failing at an alarming rate, closing their doors in record numbers. Why don’t they give these ‘Affirmative Action’ hires an office, a coloring book, and a box of crayons. It would keep them busy so that the competent people could get on with making money.

        • I wouldn’t work for a corporation that hires AA or H-1b doofs. I’ve been there, done that and hated it.

          Boss: Why don’t you help Vikram with his project?
          Me: Why don’t you moderate yourself and Vikram both?

          I won’t work for someone who expects me to give half the credit to Vikram and N’DeShawntavious. You can’t get there from here.

          Boss: That’s not good teamwork.
          Me: Moderate your moderated moderating “team”.

          I am not part of any “team” that includes H-1bs. Ever.

          Boss: We can replace you.
          Me: Go and try. I’m heading off to grad school in Australia.

          They never could replace me. All they’ve got now is a few Phase-One SBIRs from DARPA. Joe had the patience to work out the anneal schedule for SrBi2Ta/Nb2O9, and since they couldn’t drive him out, they fired him. They drove Brad, Maria and me out.
          That’s corporate America in a nutshell: cutting off their nose to spite their face.

          • Sick of it

            These corporations have a vested interest in delaying or even preventing any real scientific advancement because the only way men like these can control the world is under the relatively low level technology in our possession today. Real advancement would make it impossible for them to control us. Just consider the possible scenarios when every single human being can live off of the grid.

    • WR_the_realist

      Actually, I believe that general intelligence testing as a criteria in hiring is still banned in the United States. There was a lawsuit about this many years back (involving some power company I believe). Not enough blacks could score well enough on the IQ test so a judge ruled the use of the test illegal.

      • eonic

        That’s the reason companies started requiring a degree for jobs which previously were filled by those without such academic achievement. The degree requirement acted as a predetermined test for which the employers could not be blamed.

        • MikeofAges

          In other instances, they began to hire exclusively graduates of more selective colleges because the colleges could do the testing the company could not do. Fine if you could go to one of them. If you could not either for financial reason or because of poor preparation, you were ess out of luck even if you could have outscored the selective college graduates on an aptitude battery. The story of my life, really. Thank you very much, Thurgood Marshall, Harry Blackmun, William Brennan and Tricky Dick.

      • MikeofAges

        Correct. Griggs v. Duke Power was the decision. Overturned by Ward Cove around 1990. But congress passed a law overturning Ward Cove, which was signed by Bush 41. It is statute law, not case law. To appeal its constitutionality, the employer, not the applicant would have to undertake the legal action. Even if general aptitude testing was legal, companies would not use it unless they were forced to. They would take whatever course they thought would help them best avert future legal action against them. And that would be not to use it.

        The mealy-mouthed leftist social scientists tell people that all aptitude test measure is how middle class the test taker is. All I can say is that they obviously did not know the same people I did. While it may often be true that tests do measure the socioeconomic class of the test takers, particularly when you rate the scores by an over and under measure (median or “gate”), it is not always true by any means. Before “Griggs” testing gave many people the opportunity to “jump start” their careers or enter occupations they might not have been considered for without testing. It was this, in my opinion, that the leftists wanted to cut off, not measuring in the abstract. It was not aptitude testing that was banned, but the concept of aptitude itself, the idea that person might prove capable of doing something they had never done before and for which they had no specific training, that they wanted to get rid of.

      • JohnEngelman

        To get my last two jobs in high tech I had to pass three mental aptitude tests.

        • me

          Aptitude or stability? OOOOH! No he didn’t! LOL! Banned comment, right?

        • Whitetrashgang

          So 7-11 is now considerd high tech, I myself like their coffee and donuts.

      • me

        You think that’s bad? The ‘progressives’ and the Bantus are now trying to pass laws that state it’s ‘racist’ not to hire a person with an extensive criminal record. The BS never ends….

      • WR_the_realist

        The relevant case was Griggs vs. Duke Power Company. Duke Power required that new hires have a high school diploma and get a sufficiently high score on an IQ test. This had “disparate impact”, of course, so the Supreme Court ruled that using IQ tests as a criterion in employment is illegal. The result is that companies have resorted to all sorts of proxies for IQ tests. For example, more and more jobs require college degrees that shouldn’t really require them. The college degrees serve as a crude replacement for IQ. This is absurdly inefficient, of course. College degrees are enormously expensive. If you just want to hire a smart person it’s much cheaper for the applicant to take an IQ test than to get a college degree. But efficiency is always thrown away when the greater good of racial equality must be achieved.

    • watling

      With one or two exceptions the blacks I have worked with here in the UK have not been competent enough to do the job they’re paid to do. Not only that but they’ve been lazy, have spent several hours per day using the office phones for personal calls and have had bad attitudes.

      My first encounter was with a blatant positive discrimination (aka affirmative action) case. He sat smoking under a ‘No Smoking’ sign. His ‘work’ output was so paltry as to be non-existent. He spent most of the day using the company phone (this was before cellphones existed) to call his black friends, who were presumably also doing very little work. The manager knew exactly what he was like and referred to him in private as a lazy tyke. But he kept his job regardless.

      Another black woman spent most of the day calling her friends on the company phone. Whereas the rest of us were expected to multitask this black woman was allowed to finish one piece of work before having to start the next.

      If you multiply up all these useless black employees the cost to the country must be enormous. But they’re tolerated for politically correct reasons. Just about every UK company parrots the PC mantra: ‘promoting equality, celebrating diversity’.

    • me

      Corporations want intelligence and competence. The government wants ‘equality’, no matter what…. Let’s buy some popcorn and watch them duke it out.

  • dd121

    Why would liberals admit the truth when only their false ideology advances their agenda?

    • jane johnson

      There is none so blind as he who will not see.

      • eonic

        Except maybe she who will not see ?

        • jane johnson

          That, too.

        • dd121

          “He” in this context is considered unmarked gender. Could be male or female and doesn’t imply one or the other.
          Yours truly, The Grammar Nazi.

  • David Ashton

    Another myth they love is “no such thing as race”. Together with IQ, their pretensions are an “existential” threat to defend at all costs!

    The sun goes round the earth, and there are fairies at the bottom of the garden (well, the latter might be true in another sense!).

    • Conrad

      To say that there is no such thing as race, is like standing in a forest and saying that there is no such thing as trees.

    • JohnEngelman

      The liberal dogma that race is only a social construct is an assertion that is impossible to test. All one really maintains by asserting this is that by his definition “race” and “social construct” are synonymous.

      • watling

        I’ve got a test for you. Sickle cell anaemia does not affect white people.

  • APaige

    ‘comfortable ignorance’ is a great term to use in describing the media’s reaction to certain topics.

  • JohnEngelman

    In October 1971 the Atlantic Monthly ran an article by Richard Herrnstein entitled “IQ.” in this article he anticipated assertions he later made with Charles Murray in The Bell Curve, which was published in 1994.

    I read the article as a college student. I found it depressing and disturbing, but convincing. I was far more disturbed by the response many radicals had to the article. They wanted to suppress Professor Herrnstein and get him fired from Harvard.

    I thought that was not only immoral, but politically dysfunctional. The ability of the American left to propagate its messages was harmed during the McCarthy Era. If those with the most power had the ability to suppress opinions they disliked, the left would be harmed again.

    During the late 1960’s and early 1970’s there was more energy on the left, but the country was moving to the right.

    • Romulus

      I was exonerated and thrilled when I read it. What puzzles me,is that the data actually comes as a surprise to so many. Im reminded of the figure of speech “Persons are smart, people are stupid” The obvious conclusion being that a hangul of smart people of a given ethnicity doesn’t necessarily parlay to the group as a whole. Considering that sub Saharan Africans have never formed any resemblance of a functioning nation state(excepting the ones that the king brought here that do so well within our system) the research shouldn’t surprise anyone.

  • Spartacus

    “The professional commentators eagerly ran with that theme. Jennifer Rubin of theWashington Post called me a “fringe character.” Will Wilkinson of the Economist decried my “repugnant prejudice.” The New York Daily News published an unsigned editorial describing me as “the most twisted sort of intellectual” who is “peddling offensive tripe.” The Guardian’s Ana Marie Cox, whose quote began this article, called me a “bigot” and a “more subtle and dangerous kind of extremist.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Filthy rags that no one really cares about .

  • Romulus

    “The possiblity of intractable differences among people does not fit into the worldview of the intellectual class who have an aversion to inequality”

    That is one of the single best quotes regarding the braindead left ,indicative of their lunacy in the last decade . I applaud you Mr. Richwine. Your endeavors to shed light on the fantasy of egalitarianism are deserving of the highest accolades. I salute you.

  • kjh64

    Frankly, IQ is not needed to come to any conclusions as IQ tests don’t and can’t measure all of the different types of intelligence and stupidity. However, the best indicator is what does a society look like when a particular race or group make up most of that society and runs it? All you have to do is look at Black countries, Latino countries, White countries or neighborhoods etc. to come to a conclusion regarding group averages in intelligence.

    • JohnEngelman

      While you’re at it see how well Oriental countries and neighborhoods look and perform. Take note of Jewish performance.

      The success of Orientals and Jews against the odds demonstrates that IQ is an important topic.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        You are grasping at straws again to justify discrimination against white Americans.

        Richard Lynn, one of the world’s foremost IQ experts, has performed an exhaustive literature review and located some 32 IQ samples of American Jews, taken from 1920 to 2008. For the first 14 studies conducted during the years 1920–1937, the Jewish IQ came out very close to the white American mean, and it was only in later decades that the average figure rose to the approximate range of 107–111.65.

        www // theamericanconservative // com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

        Because Jews are such a small percentage of the population, there are far more European-Americans and native Brits with IQ’s above either 130 or 145.

        Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.

        www // theamericanconservative // com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

        Ron Unz (who is Jewish) writes about the decline of Jewish achievement in education:

        “But the underwhelming percentage of Jewish students who today achieve high scores on academic aptitude tests was totally unexpected, and very different from the impressions I had formed during my own high school and college years a generation or so ago. An examination of other available statistics seems to support my recollections and provides evidence for a dramatic recent decline in the academic performance of American Jews.”

        Unz’s table on (in article) shows that Whites are underrepresented compared to their population at all elite universities. Whites are therefore highly discriminated against:

        //wwwm// theamericanconservative // com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

        • JohnEngelman

          Why should white Gentiles be represented at elite universities in proportion to their number in the population? That sounds like affirmative action.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            As usual, you misread my posts and twist my words around.

            They are being discriminated because they are white in spite of having superior IQs.

            At elite universities, on the basis of IQ, the ratio of non-Jewish Whites to Jews should be around 7 to 1 (IQ >130) or 4.5 to 1 (IQ > 145). Instead, the ratio is at most 1 to 1.

            The only explanation is that Whites of European extraction are being systematically excluded and displaced to the point that they are now underrepresented in all the important areas of the elite compared to their percentage of the population.

          • Bo_Sears

            JohnEngelman, Resisting Defamation has spoken out against goyim, shiksa, and gentile being slapped on the heads of the diverse white American peoples. We do not choose those labels, they are evidence by those who use them of a claim to supremacy, and they deliberately strip us of both our diversity and our nationality. Shame.

            Facebook: Resisting.Defamation
            Web site: ResistingDefamation [dot] org

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    Jason Richwine much like Charles Murray, Arthur Jensen, and JP Rushton is a very brave man. Unfortunately, telling the truth is still career suicide on many case. Quite a few people will acknowledge this stuff in private especially among high IQ groups but won’t dare talk about it in public.

  • sbuffalonative

    Based on media portrayals, it would seem that most experts think IQ scores have little meaning, that genes have no influence on IQ

    Genes influence and dictate most of what we are. Liberals will gush about ‘the gay gene’ but deny that genes could possibly influence IQ.

    If a ‘progressive’ liberal believes that sexuality is determined by genes he has to know (but is denying) that genes influence IQ.

    Mention genes and IQ and the smug ‘progressive’ liberal will throw his head back, roll his eyes, and denounce such claims as pseudo science; that is until Texas is in the process of executing someone with a pseudo-science low IQ.

    These are two clear contradictions ‘progressive’ liberals spout. Anyone discussing genes and IQ should keep these two examples in mind.

    Frankly, I believe most ‘progressive’ liberals know the truth about genes, race, and IQ. The problem is that the truth and it’s implications scare them and threaten their core egalitarian beliefs. To state the truth, they would have to admit to themselves that they are ‘racists’.

    • Sick of it

      Actually, the way liberals respond to discussions about genes and IQ reminds me more of Linda Blair in The Exorcist.

    • MikeofAges

      Actually, it has to do with the legal doctrine of disparate impact, which is the legal underpinning of the affirmative action system. If you accepted that in the aggregate different groups had different profiles of ability within them, then you could not paint with the broad brush of percentage representation in different activities and vocations. Without disparate impact, you would instead have to ascertain what percentage of any given group might be interested in and able to pursue a particular activity. You might then have to acknowledge that there were autonomous reasons why the representation of each group within each activity was not exactly in accord with that group’s percentage of the population.

      One issue that comes up from time to time is the subject of minority firefighters. I have said that one of the reasons why there are not so many is that the individuals who are qualified and might be interested in that type of career are instead in law enforcement and the military. When urban fire departments look for minority candidates, they do not try to find individuals who are qualified and then persuade them to apply. In the case of the NYFD anyway, they simply went out into the neighborhoods and got anybody they could to sign up for the test. Perhaps they did some simple pre-screening, or maybe not. No wonder few passed.

      Another area where autonomous decision making and preference might play a role is in the limited number Jews in engineering. An inordinate number of mathematics and physics professors are of Jewish descent I would think. But few engineers. There was a time when companies could and did openly refuse to hire Jewish engineers. But that time is now long gone. Probably, the majority of engineers working in the United States are not even of European ancestry. A large number are not even native born or U.S. citizens. But I still don’t think there are a lot of Jews in engineering, not outside of computer and software engineering anyway. There could be, given that mathematical talent is so important in the field. Maybe there just aren’t so many people of Jewish descent who want to go into branches like civil engineering, mechanical engineering or specialties like petroleum engineering or hydraulic engineering or whatever. It could be as simple as that.

      People have to right to make decisions. You can’t always blame someone else for way it plays out.

      • sbuffalonative

        I used to listen to an local black radio talk show until the ‘angry black man’ retired.

        I agree 100% about just getting black into jobs as firemen et al.

        He used to rant that there weren’t enough of either and he told blacks to sign up because enough didn’t sign up for the test. It wasn’t about finding a career you wanted and would be happy doing. To him, it was the principle of the matter; that there weren’t enough black police and there SHOULD be more black police.

        It’s likely many black have no interest in being police but their ‘leaders’ are pushing them into these professions. They fail because they’re not qualified AND not motivated to study for the test.

        • MikeofAges

          I very seriously think that the blacks who can pass a test and are otherwise qualified are just making other decisions than to join the fire department, and that is why there are limited numbers of black firefighters specifically.

          The ‘angry black man’ was right about one thing. He was telling the brothers, you want more of your own on the force, qualify and apply. That and you have to be ready to deal with the culture of the organization you are joining.

          For some of us, a test is always kind of automatic. But for many white guys it is not. Some have to study their butts off to make the grade.

          • sbuffalonative

            There’s something I want people to question about ‘disparate impact’.

            How do we know that as a group, blacks deliberately don’t try to pass the test either because they’re trying to discredit the test or they know that if enough fail, they can claim ‘desperate impact’ and simply be given jobs without putting in any effort?

          • “How do we know as a group that blacks”… aren’t sandbagging the test in order to whine about racism and DI later?

            Reasons:

            1. Because there’s a much simpler and better explanation, per Occam’s Razor: They can’t pass the test, for of their low IQ.

            2. I don’t give blacks as a group enough credit to be smart, organized and forward thinking enough to plan and implement something like sandbagging a test.

          • sbuffalonative

            I agree that blacks likely do poorly on police/fire exams for the obvious reason.

            However, I know from listening to black talk radio that blacks organize study groups. It’s not inconceivable they, or others, have such a plan in place.

            The reason this is important is because blacks use the fact that they fail tests to prove disparate impact. What if it turned out that this ideas is tossed around in study groups and they do conspire as a group to keep their scores lower?

            If it could be proven it would destroy their disparate impact claims. This idea should at least brought up as a possible reason for black failure as it would challenge and undermine blacks using the excuse of disparate impact.

            I would like to see this brought up or at least suggested in the Supreme Court hearing. It could raise reasonable doubt about the disparate impact.

            I believe we should bring this up every time disparate impact is brought up.

            If true, it would destroy disparate impact once and for all. At the minimum, it raises suspicion and calls into question the validity of the disparate impact theory.

            Can blacks prove they’re trying their best to pass these tests or are they trying to suppress black scores to keep disparate impact theory in place?

            We should be raising this suspicion when possible. The idea needs to be part of the converstation.

          • MikeofAges

            Probably not in large numbers. Many may be poorly motivated or have poor test taking skills along with poor ability, although you might think poor skills grow out of poor ability. poor skills go along with poor ability.

            One thing I have heard is that sometimes teenage males will deliberately put down the wrong answers when they, in fact know the correct ones. I doubt that would happen enough change the big picture. Especially, it would not move the median very much, I don’t think.

            People just giving up could lower average scores as well.

    • JohnEngelman

      Liberals do “know the truth about genes, race, and IQ.” That is why they become angry when the truth is told. People do not get angry when beliefs they are confident of are questioned.

  • sbuffalonative

    The truth scares them. If they admitted the truth, they themselves would be the racist Nazis they hate. As long as they deny race, they’re not racist Nazis.

  • Hunter Morrow

    We can’t talk about IQ because…

    It would mean people would have to look at immigrant Asians mooching and gaining on the system. It would mean we’d have to ask if jews are White and they aren’t. It would definitively explain why blacks and hispanics lag Whites and have always lagged Whites throughout history. It explains way too much that goes against the current explanation:
    Evil White Men Make All The Bad Things Happen.

    • JohnEngelman

      Jews are white. They and Orientals have higher average IQ’s than white Gentiles. I could document my assertions using material I found on this website. Nevertheless, it gets tiresome to keep telling the truth to those who prefer to believe falsehoods.

      • Bossman

        Yes, Jews are at the top of the heap. They may have invented our kind of alphabet. Every Jew is life-long student of learning.

        • JohnEngelman

          Jews were writing the Old Testament when Nordics were illiterate tribesmen.

          • David Ashton

            A few comments on this contrast:
            1. Nordids were not confined historically to northern Europe, but spread into north Africa and the near East, though mainly responsible for Indo-European languages just as the related Mediterranids probably were for the Semitic tongues. There is now evidence that writing developed independently in at least one ancient I-E community.
            2. Paradoxically, hostile antisemitic prejudice towards the OT has overlooked the strong possibility that Nordids mingled with ancient Hebrews (cf. Harry L.Shapiro, “The Jewish People” [UNESCO 1960] esp.pp.23f), and were partly responsible for military leadership (e.g. David), the masculinity of their god and other features having loose parallels with “Nordic sagas”.
            3. Nordids were primarily responsible for the earliest religious scriptures of Iran and northern India, and the date of composition (if not the collected contents) compares favorably with the actual collection and writing up of the Hebrew legends, rituals, prophecies and poetry.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are confusing the Nordic peoples with the Indo European peoples, and you are exaggerating the historical achievements of the Indo European peoples.

            The first Indo European civilizations were the Mycenaean in what is now Greece, and the Hittite Empire in what is now Turkey.

            These began after the Egyptian and Sumerian civilizations. They collapsed around 1100 B.C. The Sumerian civilization began in what is now Iraq. Neither the Egyptian nor the Sumerian peoples were Indo European. They were certainly not Nordic, although several Western writers claimed that the ruling classes of Egypt and Greece were Nordic.

            That was a circular argument: The Nordics began civilization because the ruling classes of Egypt, and Greece were Nordic.

            In a circular argument one assumes what one needs to prove.

            In common usage the Nordics are considered to the Scandinavians plus the Finns. The Finns are an interesting outlier nation. They look like Scandinavians, but they never adopted an Indo European language.

            The Mycenaeans used a script that is called “Linear B.” When the Mycenaen civilization fell the Greeks forgot how to use it. About in the eighth century B.C. they developed the greatly superior script that they still use. This was adopted from the Phoenician alphabet.

            The Phoenicians were Semites. The Phoenician alphabet appears to have been based on Egyptian hieroglyphics.

            The Nordics were slow learners when it came to European civilization. The ancient Greeks and Romans considered them to be barbarians.

          • David Ashton

            Nordid is a biological term, whereas Semite and Indo-European are linguistic terms, and different races can and did use either or both. However, the original association between Nordids and I-E has defended by biological anthropologists as eminent as Coon Lundman; it is simply politically incorrect to talk about this today.

            The Nordid element in Zoroastrianism was demonstrated so long as the 1920s by Guenther. Evidence of the Nordid presence in southern Europe, northern Africa and western Asia is indicated by skeletal evidence, contemporary description, and survival of blondism in living humans. I am not a “Nordicist”, however, and have black hair myself.

            I have not claimed, and do not think, that the majority of ancient Egyptians during the long period of achievement, and despite Dart’s evidence of early Nordid occupation and some “mummy” data, were anything other than Mediterranid. Nor were the Sumerians Nordid, despite Waddell and his bizarre arguments, including his unique decipherment the Indo-Sumerian seals.

            What you say about the western alphabet does not contradict my theme. I-E itself has been a boon to international communication, unlike Mandarin. Nordid, Nordid-Alpinid and Nordid-Medterranid peoples have proved their achievements in history.

          • JohnEngelman

            What I have read tells me that Zoroastrianism was influenced by ancient Hinduism. I have difficulty understanding how people living in what is now Scandinavia and northern Germany could have influenced a Persian religion several hundred years before the time of Christ.

          • David Ashton

            So I would I! I don’t believe in time-machines.

            Look up the evidence Guenther (among others) provided for both the Avesta and the Vedas.

  • Sick of it

    Anyone who has ever played sports, attended school, or worked knows that people are inherently unequal.

    • watling

      Precisely.

      There has been one black chess grandmaster: Maurice Ashley. At 2465 his rating puts him outside the world’s top 1000 best chess players ever.

      He plays his chess in the USA so it’s not as if he didn’t have stiff competition to play against. Therefore no-one can make the argument that he did not have any opponents of sufficient strength against whom he could sharpen his skills.

      Logically, if we’re all the same under the skin there should be at least one black chess player in the top 10, and dozens in the top 1000.

  • Rick Brooks

    If irrefutable scientific proof were revealed showing that the tens of millions of Third Worlders our elites have browbeaten us into accepting will forever burden us due to their lower innate intelligence, I believe that the rage directed at the ruling class would be so fierce that it would end up going down in the annals of history as one of the biggest events of modern times. A watershed moment of epic proportions; and a long overdue one I might add.

  • Blaak Obongo

    Exactly so. The reason the governmedia don’t want anyone asking the question is simply because they already know the answer.

    The Elite Media Lords are desperate to keep the TeeVee-hypnotized public from waking and seeing the obvious truth that’s right there in front of their noses. Should the masses be permitted to think unapproved thoughts, the Elites’ long-term plans would be disrupted at once.

    The author complains that:

    Change is what’s needed. And the first thing for reporters,
    commentators, and non-experts to do is to stop demonizing public
    discussion of IQ differences.

    But they will not change of their own volition, not ever. Because the truth is too dangerous for them, and they know it. I admire Mr. Richwine’s attempts to slay the dragon with logic and reason, but it can only fail. Stronger solutions will be required.

  • Brent Delph

    We can’t talk about IQ because if we did, then they couldn’t blame whitey for every problem under the sun.

  • dd121

    Doesn’t seem to me that whites are waking up. Most people (white) I talk to about race just get mad at me and think I’m an a-hole. But then most people don’t have the mental capacity to think an unpopular thought.

    • Bo_Sears

      The problem with insisting on recognition of racial differences and the importance of IQ tests is that those two terms have been so maligned and over-interpreted that they do amount to a litmus test in America 2013.

      However, that is just evidence that we should focus on the diverse white American community and how to advance our cultures and our futures, and not worry about what demographic affinity groups are called or how to measure their intelligence. Both of those two concerns are on a national level of concern, but as multiracialism and multinationalism draw nearer out of the wreckage of multiculturalism, standards and goals will become race specific…any observer can see how No Child Left Behind worked itself into a hole and how Common Core is racing to smother, not solve, the problems exposed by No Child Left Behind.

      We need to take care of ourselves, and create institutional means to achieve our goals. The American nation was once that institutional means, and it took humanity to the moon and rockets to Mars and throughout the near-universe, but times have changed and, while every other group has its congresses and leagues, the diverse white Americans still mindlessly look at America as a unity while others have longed ceased to so so.

      At this point, there is no value in criticizing others who are in America. We need to take care of our own children and aged, no one else will do it well. We thought we had it taken care of, but the American dream slipped out of our hands. Let’s create a new white American dream.

    • watling

      I find that white people who I would describe as intelligent are as likely to disbelieve (or claim to disbelieve) the notion that IQ is dependent on race as anyone else.

      I once had an argument with one such person who simply refused to accept that different races had different average IQs, despite evidence supporting the claim.

      I’m sure that these people are well aware of the truth but are too frightened to admit it because of the risk of facing social opprobrium.

      • dd121

        I don’t think your friends are aware of the truth. This liberal notion that all groups are of equal average IQ is a deeply ingrained ideologically driven truth to them. I don’t know, it’s like religion, people that believe it can’t be budged.

  • eonic

    Revealing higher IQ’s than Jews ? Knowing who controls Hollywood, that’s the least likely outcome.

    • JohnEngelman

      Jews do not control Hollywood any more than they control journalism or the academy. They do have a prominence in each of these areas out of proportion in the population because of their high IQ power.

      • Beetlejuice

        You are wrong.

        Read this article by Joel Stein and then come back here and tell us that.

        http://www latimes com/news/opinion/commentary/la-oe-stein19-2008dec19,0,4676183 column

        • ms_anthro

          He doesn’t read anything that might contradict his beliefs. He just down-votes and runs away, or deletes posts if he thinks he can get away with it.

        • ms_anthro

          He doesn’t read anything that might contradict his beliefs. He just down-votes and runs away, or deletes posts if he thinks he can get away with it.

          He deleted this post the first time–case in point.

        • ms_anthro

          He doesn’t read anything that might contradict his beliefs. He just down-votes and runs away, or deletes posts if he thinks he can get away with it.

          This is the third time I’ve reposted this after he deleted it. Unfortunately for him, I’m sick in bed with a cold and have nothing more entertaining to do than be a thorn in the side of this sinophile anti-White. Better make some coffee, Engelman.

        • ms_anthro

          He doesn’t read anything that might contradict his beliefs. He just down-votes and runs away, or deletes posts if he thinks he can get away with it.

          This is now the fourth time I’ve reposted this after he deleted it. I’m surprised he let your wrongthink article stay, actually. Don’t be surprised if it gets memory-holed in a day or two. (And then repost it, please.)

        • ms_anthro

          He doesn’t read anything that might contradict his beliefs. He just down-votes and runs away, or deletes posts if he thinks he can get away with it. So much for that Jefferson quote at the top of the page, eh?

          This is now the fifth time I’ve reposted this. He has deleted all the others. I’m surprised he let your wrongthink article stay, actually. Don’t be surprised if it gets memory-holed in a day or two. (And then repost it, please.)

        • ms_anthro

          He doesn’t read anything that might contradict his beliefs. He just down-votes and runs away, or deletes posts if he thinks he can get away with it. So much for that Jefferson quote at the top of the page, eh?

          This is now the sixth time I’ve reposted this. He has deleted all the others. I’m surprised he let your wrongthink article stay, actually. Don’t be surprised if it gets memory-holed in a day or two. (And then repost it, please.)

        • JohnEngelman

          There is a difference between control and prominence. Jewish prominence in any field requiring superior intelligence is caused by Jewish high IQ genes. It is not caused by anything unethical.

          • Beetlejuice

            You are wrong as usual. If you think Jews don’t control the media 100% then prove it. Facts and data have been presented to you repeatedly which you continue to ignore and brush aside.

            Unbelievable that AR lets you spread lies, untruths and half truths on this forum.

          • JohnEngelman

            I can’t prove a negative. If you think Jews “control the media 100%” you prove it.

            On many occasions I have said that Jews have a prominence in journalism, Hollywood, finance, the academy, and so on that is out of proportion to their numbers, and that this is because of their high average intelligence.

            The Jews earn their superior incomes because of superior merit.

      • me

        Engleman,
        Once again you’ve contradicted yourself in the same post. Is prominence not equal to control by majority rule? Is it because the goy are so stupid,
        OR because of cronyism, anti-goy policies, strange religious beliefs, and ‘progressive’ politics of immigration/miscegenation/anti-White propaganda aimed towards European American genocide? Just sayin’….

      • Whitetrashgang

        Wow I mean wow.

      • David Ashton

        Not because any of them know one another or attend shul together or have shared cultural interests – they all are just high-IQ androids.

  • IKantunderstand

    Every person on the face of the Earth knows smart people and stupid people. All of us have noticed patterns, even if we have been suppressed in talking about them. I already know that Blacks are, by and large , stupid. How do I know this? I worked with them. Not only are they stupid, they are lazy, think they should be promoted based on the time they have spent on the job; they squirrel out of responsibility and are incompetent. When caught being the above, they lie, obfuscate, and call you a racist. I will never ever have anything to do with Blacks in the workplace. I believe your best bet as a White is to go into commission sales. Not only do Blacks avoid this like the plague, it doesn’t matter if they do become a fellow salesperson. You have your own territory, and the only person you have to depend on to succeed, is yourself. If you have the skills or education to go into your own business, you should do so. Never work for the enemy. Hide your earnings if you can. This government that we live under, hates us. Feel free to hate them back. Remember, grafitti is our friend. Creepy Ass Crackers.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    ” most reporters learned nothing about IQ”

    Well…it takes a little IQ to understand IQ. Or a little IQ prevents understanding of IQ, I suppose, depending on the definition of “a little IQ”.

    • MikeofAges

      Most reporters know nothing about IQ? That’s because they don’t have one.

  • Funruffian

    Media journalists, liberals and Blacks will scoff at the IQ science, but if they were to come upon a one in 1 million chance Black person with a 160 IQ, they would brag and gloat over it. This shows that they will only credit scientific research as long as it serves the Blacks and their liberal agenda.

  • Elena Andbasket

    We can be absolutely certain that if sub-saharans scored high on IQ tests the subject wouldn’t be taboo, their admirers and supporters would never shut up about it. Unfortunately for the negrophiles the truth and facts do no coincide with their agenda.

  • Yale2001

    Liberals simply deny what they don’t want to hear and call you racist for even discussing it.

  • JohnEngelman

    A lot of the same posters who like go gloat about low average IQ’s for blacks resent it when I remind them that Orientals and Ashkenazi Jews have higher averages than Nordics.

    In our economy today IQ is becoming increasingly important. White men on the left side of the IQ bell curve face grim prospects.

    Race does not matter. What matters is IQ.

    • ms_anthro

      Wrong. White interests matter regardless of IQ. We are a separate and distinct people who have every right to act in our own racial interests. This is why we do not consider race traitors like yourself to be White. You may be White in phenotype but you are not one of us. You are a deracinated mongrel.

      • JohnEngelman

        The CEO’s of America’s most prestigious and best paying corporations disagree with you.

        Microsoft will reject a hundred applications from white men in order to recruit a brilliant computer scientist who lives in China. Microsoft will give her a starting salary of over a million dollars a year, and pay for her moving expenses.

        The United States is becoming an IQ magnet. The most intelligent young people in the world travel to the United States to attend our best universities, often on full tuition scholarships.

        After getting degrees in science, technology, engineering, and/or mathematics (STEM) they get well paying jobs, and move into America’s most exclusive neighborhoods.

        • ms_anthro

          Yawn. Keep babbling about how it’s IQ and not nepotism and general anti-White political posturing. Those of us who are awake are on to you.

          • JohnEngelman

            What is there to be “on to?” I am open in expressing my admiration for intelligent people, regardless of race.

          • ms_anthro

            Your anti-White agenda is plain to see. What’s most baffling is how you managed to become a moderator on a site that exists to discuss and promote White interests. Your contention has consistently been that IQ trumps race, and that Whites should bow to their Ashkenazic and Oriental overlords, as you do.

            What are you doing here besides derailing and discouraging pro-White discussions?

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Yet AR will take down your posts and mine and leave his anti-white, misinformed posts to stand without rebuttal.

          • ms_anthro

            He takes them down himself. He’s a mod.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Let’s look at those “superior” Asians that you are always gloating about in the tech industries, shall we? The same tech industry created by white Americans:

          “A report by researchers Ola Bengtsson and David H. Hsu (note the Asian name, Engelman) looks at 1780 pairs of tech start-up founders and venture capitalists over about a decade centering around about 1998-2007. These are start-ups that at least got VC funding. About 48% of the start-ups are in California and 18% in Massachusetts.

          Among founders, a surname analysis shows 3% Chinese and 7% Indian. There may be some miscellaneous Asians that they didn’t break out. (Among venture capitalists, they find 4% Chinese and 4% Indian.)

          Another analysis came up with 87% of founders white, 12% Asian, 1% black. These are both national surveys. The percent Asian in California is higher according to the second study: 18%.”

          www // management // wharton // upenn // edu/hsu/inc/doc/papers/david-hsu-vc-matching // pdf

          • ms_anthro

            Don’t forget how endemic cheating is across Asia. I’m sure Comrade John will hand wave that away too, or outright deny it despite all the news reports describing it as a major problem in Oriental academia.

          • Beetlejuice

            Also, Chinese fake parts installed in American Military equipment. I read there were riots at a Chinese university when they tried to stop cheating. Every heard about that happening with white students in an American university?

            Articles about Chinese Cheating:

            www vdare com/posts/chinese-cheating

            www asianweek com/2012/01/09/asian-foreign-students-tops-at-application-cheating/

            http //www salon com/2012/01/04/asias_rampant_cheating_problem/

            http //www nj com/news/index ssf/2010/07/centenary_college_closes_satel.html

            This has been posted many times here by different posters, I copied from another poster who wrote that he’d copied it from someone else. Why do we keep having to post these things here, of all places?

          • ms_anthro

            Because for reasons none of us can fathom, the owners of this site gave moderating privileges to an anti-White with a fetish for Jews and Orientals. Countdown to all of our previous posts being deleted. Apparently there is a truth or two that AmRen fears or wishes unknown to the whole world.

          • JohnEngelman

            I often wonder why I continue to need to post articles I have found on this website substantiate my assertions that Orientals and Ashkenazi Jews tend to be more intelligent than white gentiles. Some people do not like to be told the truth about the racial superiority of Orientals and the Ashkenazm.

          • Beetlejuice

            Nice try, but the fact that this world is still completely dominated by Western Civilization and White technology proves that IQ isn’t obviously everything. Especially when you’re using the White English language, electric power, computer, Internet to communicate to us here, NOT the ashkenazi or chinese ones.

            See, it always takes more than one component to achieve greatness or domination, and being just a one trick pony is and never will be enough. Whites have it all and we are the most BALANCED race intellectually, manually and physically. That’s why we’re on top, regardless of how some have an higher median IQ or how faster they can run the 100m dash.

            For someone who constantly praises IQ scores, you’re quite shallow and nowhere near as smart as you think you are.

          • David Ashton

            You don’t need to keep posting the same old stuff, just engage with all the other posts that challenge them. You say race doesn’t matter but talk about the “racial” superiority of your favorite “races”. Your average IQ figures do not form an absolute ethnic stratification; they overlap. Rushton and Lynn have been challenged on the Chinese estimates. The Mongolids are not “superior” to Europids as if they have evolved from them; they have evolved differently – a bifurcation not a precipitation.

          • JohnEngelman

            The truth gets old. It never gets false.

          • David Ashton

            You are the Way, the Truth, the Life.

            But scientific research, historical investigation and political philosophy develop fresh insights as time goes by.

          • JohnEngelman

            The trend in science, if not political discussion, is to attribute more importance to genes. The fact that Orientals have higher average IQs and lower crime rates than whites, who in turn tend to be more intelligent and law abiding than blacks can be explained by different population pressures lasting for thousand years.

            My praise of Orientals arouses the hostility of some posters here because they want to believe that they belong to the master race.

          • David Ashton

            Politics should indeed take on board on-going human genetic research.

            Apart from the contrast (though contested, since my late friend Nathaniel Weyl emphasised it) between the Chinese imperial exam system and Western priestly celibacy, your comparisons over “dark” ages” and warfare, and their long-term eugenic significance, are difficult to assess and open to argument. China has seen enormous bloodshed in its history.

            Posters who prefer fellow-whites to remain masters in their own house, and to have a major influence outside it, are to be expected on this site, even if not welcome to you.

          • JohnEngelman

            I predict that by the end of this century China will dominate, although not control, the world. I predict that the United States will be dominated, although not controlled, by Orientals and Jews who will owe their domination to superior intelligence.

            It is conceivable to me that a restored Confederacy will secede from the United States. The restored Confederacy will dedicate itself to white male supremacy. This will place it at a competitive disadvantage to what remains of the United States, where all careers will be open to talent, regardless of race or sex.

            I am not advocating that future. I do look on it calmly.

          • David Ashton

            Sorry you won’t be around to “enjoy” the Jew-Chinese condominium.
            Maybe you should post on a Non-American RENAISSANCE site. What do others think?

          • JohnEngelman

            Human evolution has always favored individuals with more intelligence. I predict that the process will continue.

          • David Ashton

            If they “outbreed” the less intelligent.

          • JohnEngelman

            What matters is not having many children. What matters is having one or a few with high IQ’s that you can afford to send to elite universities.

          • David Ashton

            Regression to the mean.

          • JohnEngelman

            The theory of r-K life histories explains the worldwide three-way pattern in race differences. The r-strategy means being very sexually active and having many offspring. The K-strategy means having fewer offspring, but with both mother and father giving them more care. Humans are the most K strategists of all species. Among humans, Orientals follow the most K-strategy, Blacks the most r-strategy, and Whites fall in between.

            – Professor J. Philippe Rushton, from “RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR”
            http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/race_evolution_behavior.pdf

          • David Ashton

            I have a copy of this book and have read it.
            I shall add a further comment on r/K WITHIN our primary race, which is the point at issue, on this thread as soon as time permits.

          • David Ashton

            Here is the promised comment.

            1. If you Google “Regression to mean IQ scores” you should find explanations of my point from Rushton, Sailer and Wikipedia; also critiques of Rushton’s use of the concept for inter-racial comparisons.

            2. To maintain or improve the IQ level of a biocultural community, it is necessary for those at the top to have many children and for those at the bottom to have fewer.

            3. White peoples in general and the Japanese are not maintaining their population proportions globally in relation to other peoples, including those of lower average IQ. Jews also are facing a demographic replacement crisis, except for ultra-Orthodox families (along with other religious fundamentalists like Egyptian Muslims). The recent (over)population increase in Britain is mainly a consequence of foreign immigration.

            4. It is defeatism to import an alien culture with a supposedly high IQ to repace our own white elite.

            5.There is also the problem of never-ending immigration from population overspill in the tropical world. The notion that migrants from high fertility countries have fewer children when moving into ours is irrelevant, and questionable especially when their colonies become large and culturally self-sustaining. Mexican women in the US have more children than in Mexico. And declining immigrant fertility rates still leave second-generation rates above replacement levels in many European countries.

            6. “With regard to intelligence…studies showing an inverse relationship between educational level and anticipated fertility in the United States, Britain and The Netherlands…suggests that dysgenic fertility is still present…and is likely to persist indefinitely into the future with steady degradation of the gene pool” – Richard Lynn, “Dysgenics: Genetic Deterioration in Modern Populations” (rev. ed. 2011), pp.308-9.

          • David Ashton

            “To a geneticist fitness has nothing to do with…anything but effectiveness in breeding…. If there are no strong barriers to interbreeding in such a large [future] population [of Africans, Asians and fewer Europeans], evolution can be expected to be extremely slow….it could hardly be the more intelligent who would have high birthrates” (G. G. Simpson, “This View of Life” [1964] pp.273,282-283).

          • JohnEngelman

            G. G. Simpson wrote before computer technology increased the relationship between intelligence and income. In 1964 the IBM Mainframe had just been introduced.

            The trend toward dysgenics is a temporary one which is ending as Aid to Families to Dependent Children is phased out, and as abortion becomes less expensive, and usually more available.

            As a history buff and a natural buff I find it easy to think in terms of hundreds of years, thousands of years, and millions of years. During most of history affluent people were more prolific than poor people. The prehistoric equivalent of the unmarried, crack addicted welfare mother with a low IQ was eaten by a predator before she could slow the process of human evolution.

            It is not enough to have a lot of children. What is necessary is to have a lot of descendants in subsequent generations.

          • David Ashton

            Agree with your last sentence, obviously. The single daughter at university who remains childless to remain career-affluent or gets pregnant by a black student is not enough.

          • JohnEngelman

            Also, that single daughter who gets pregnant by a black student will probably have an abortion.

          • David Ashton

            Or marry him: I know of cases.

          • JohnEngelman

            If he is intelligent enough to get into the college without affirmative action, and if he and she raise one or a few children well, that will be good for human evolution.

            What is not good is when a flashy, high stepping gang leader has ten illegitimate children by low IQ women, and when the children are raised on welfare.

          • David Ashton

            Regression to the ancestral mean.

          • David Ashton

            My reply to this too has not appeared in the thread I am reading at midnight GMT August 16/17.

            Here is another one: if you ever get the chance, watch the British film by Noel Clarke called “Adulthood” (2008) which gives a candid picture of “black” crudity, cruelty and criminality in our inner cities, which early on has shows their sexual “rapport” with white female “students”. This reflects the reality of the Windrush Revolution in our island home.

          • JohnEngelman

            Some white women may enjoy one night stands with black men for the experience, but I doubt many prefer black men as husbands, or even lovers in sustained affairs. The female preference for successful men is universal.

          • David Ashton

            Sadly some white women see black men as successful – dancers, rap stars, gangstas – all encouraged the media.

          • JohnEngelman

            Very few black men achieve success as professional entertainers or athletes. There are not many openings in those fields. It is not enough to be good. One has to be one of the best in the country.

          • David Ashton

            Not what I saw on the athletics on TV today, but I am not going to defend female attraction to black males.

          • I’ve seen “Kidulthood” of two years earlier, and from what I can remember, that movie went out of its way to make the yobs a veritable rainbow coalition.

          • David Ashton

            The focus this time is on black thugs with one male wigga and several white girls. Unfortunately “art” reflects “life” in this case.

          • David Ashton

            What happened to my Reply?

            Anyway, here is a different one: the world will need more intelligent – and wiser generations – to cope with a world in which computers become more powerful and give rise to new technology and their impacts on human thought and behavior. We need a “socialism” not of present “space” but of future time (Nietzsche).

          • JohnEngelman

            If Orientals are more likely to cheat than whites that is a negative aspect of a culture that values intellectual achievement. It is not intrinsic to the Oriental genome. Superior intelligence is.

          • ms_anthro

            Utter nonsense. So culture and genome have nothing to do with one another? Cultures arise in a vacuum? No. Orientals cheat because they don’t share our European sense of fair play, and because they value gaming the system over earning their rewards honestly.

            Genes determine culture, which is why racially distinct peoples build similar societies (or lack thereof) anywhere they settle in the world. I suspect you would agree if you were capable of looking past your blind spot when it comes to your pet Khazars and Orientals. Alas, you are either unwilling to see or simply being disingenuous as usual.

          • JohnEngelman

            Has it even been documented that Orientals are more likely to cheat than whites? Where? Post the study. All I have gotten from you and others on this topic is anecdotal evidence.

            Don’t tell me to read some big long article by a sinophobic ideologue. I want statistics provided by a credible and non ideological source.

            What matters is that the average white IQ is 100. The average for Orientals is 106. The average for Ashkenazic Jews is 112. That is confirmed by too many sources to possibly be denied.

            Whites who blame the superior academic achievements of Orientals on cheating are like blacks who blame the lack of achievement by blacks on white racism.

          • ms_anthro

            It has been posted multiple times by various posters in various threads, including this one. Those posts have a strange habit of disappearing, especially when they prove you wrong. Do you really think most people here are foolish enough to believe you argue in good faith? Your antics grow increasingly desperate.

          • JohnEngelman

            I document important assertions with links to credible sources, many of which I have found on this website.

            You don’t.

            The reason many of your posts are deleted is because they are devoid of facts, insights, and simple humanity, and because they are motivated by hatred. Posters like you are bad for the image of American Renaissance.

          • ms_anthro

            You don’t get to decide what others’ motives are. What a weaselly way to justify deleting posts that disprove your frequently unsourced and ridiculous statements.

            I’m comfortable with my posting history on this site. Certainly I do more to promote White interests than a worshiper of Orientals who insists on crowing incessantly about the superiority of non-White races. It is inconceivable to me, and many others, that you’re a moderator here. And yes, I expect you’ll delete this one too. Do you really think people won’t notice?

          • David Ashton

            Moderator, is Mr Engelman a moderator?

          • ms_anthro

            Yes. He is actually a moderator on a White advocacy site. Can you believe it?

            This is why so many posts disproving his statements are deleted without further comment. Sometimes he deletes them right away and sometimes he goes back to older posts and sneakily deletes them days later to attract less attention. But it’s a pattern and I’m still unsure why it’s allowed to continue. The conversations here suffer tremendously for having someone like JE moderating them.

            I’ve been a well-respected member of various intellectual internet forums over the years and have never had so many of my posts removed as I have here. In fact, I can’t remember ever having a post removed on other sites. It’s frustrating to put much thought and effort into a post, complete with an abundance of links to credible sources to back up your statements, only to find the post completely deleted a few hours later because you happened to gore one of a communist sinophile’s sacred cows.

          • Glickstein44

            I was one of the first observant posters to correctly identify J.E. as a moderator…and for that transgression i was banned…(under another name).

          • HenryWWolff

            Mr. Engleman is not a moderator. Please don’t spread misinformation. – AR Staff

          • JohnEngelman

            Culture can change in a generation. Genes determine basic ability levels.

          • ms_anthro

            Genes also determine temperament and aptitude, creativity and altruism (or lack thereof). There’s more to culture than IQ. Much more.

          • WR_the_realist

            Those numbers may well be accurate. But if you split up the “white” start up founders into Jews and non-Jews, I suspect you’ll find a high proportion of Jews. Certainly a lot more than their 3% of the population. So then there will be claims that the system is rigged in favor of Jews so the data is irrelevant.

          • JohnEngelman

            That is pure speculation. What is not speculation is that Ashkenazi Jews have an average IQ that is nearly a standard deviation higher than that of white Gentiles of European descent.

        • Beetlejuice

          Dr. Norm Matloff, Professor of Computer Science, University of California David, disagrees with YOU:

          vdare com/posts/dr-norm-matloff-on-the-foreign-inventors-study-hyped-by-industry-and-the-wsj

          “I’ve written often that the reason there are so many foreign students in these grad programs is basically H-1B: H-1B draws in the foreign students, hoping for a job after graduation; the influx suppresses wages, causing America’s best and brightest to avoid STEM careers. An influential National Science Foundation position paper predicted this 20 years ago, and it proved quite prophetic.”

          My own recent research found that the former foreign students, now working in industry, are actually LESS likely to produce a patent than are Americans of the same age, education etc., in the fields of computer science and electrical engineering.

          So, the less innovative are displacing the more innovative, a net loss.

        • David Ashton

          America is a magnet also for low-IQ “diversity”.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      AR should stop you from spreading misinformation. I am tired of correcting your anti-white posts. You are wrong, as I and others have pointed out on this forum repeatedly.

      From Ron Unz, a self-identified Jewish writer, writing in The American Conservative:

      “Based on the overall distribution of America’s population, it appears that approximately 65–70 percent of America’s highest ability students are non-Jewish whites, well over ten times the Jewish total of under 6 percent.”

      www // theamericanconservative // com/articles/the-myth-of-american-meritocracy/

    • Jefferson

      What percentage of White men do you think fall on the left side of the IQ bell curve ?

      • JohnEngelman

        Fifty percent.

        • Jefferson

          How did you come up with that conclusion ?

          • JohnEngelman

            One hundred is the average for whites. Fifty percent are above average. Fifty percent are below average.

          • Jefferson

            What would be an example of a low IQ White person ? A homeless White person ? I see a lot of them here in San Francisco. They are usually sleeping on park benches and under trees.

            An interesting fact is that even though Asians make up 34 percent of San Francisco’s population, I rarely see an Asian homeless person here.

          • JohnEngelman

            Yes.

          • dd121

            I think you’re showing remarkable restraint in the face of such ignorance.

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you. I am calmly aware that I am right, and that they know it too. I tell them what they do not want to believe, but what they know is true.

          • David Ashton

            The curve is a bell. It swells in the middle.

    • David Ashton

      Not so sure about Nordics. These comparisons were with whites in general.

    • David Ashton

      “Race” matters to many Chinese and many Jews and many other peoples, even you in preferring Mongolid female faces.

      Intelligence can be used to advance a racial and/or criminal interest; e.g. “A [Chinese] gang that allegedly charged Chinese citizens up to £43,000 to enter Europe and the US, and which is thought to have fueled the illegal sex trade in the West, has been broken up following a joint Spanish and French police operation…. The extent of the people smugglers’ association with Chinese organised crime has not been revealed…in-depth knowledge of airports and cities on the transfer-run…constantly altered the routes and documents…instructions on how to pass unnoticed…camouflage themselves among tour groups…passports from [many] countries seized…All the counterfeits had been prpduced in China…. The smuggling organisation is said to have been well structured…its chief based in China [operating in different countries] with ‘the GREATEST SECRECY'” (The Independent, August 11, p.34).

  • Jim Henry

    Certain breeds of dogs have greater learning abilities than others. Why can’t this be said about different breeds of humans?

    To prove this point, look at the average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews (112). Not only is this proven on paper, but in their accomplishments throughout history.

    I believe once a certain dude is out of office, there will major backlashes in many policies and thought processes.

    Be patient.

    • Bud Smith

      I’d like to see the evidence for this 112 Ashkenazi IQ. Are only the successful, educated Ashkenazi tested? Are the unsuccessful Jews disowned and not tested? As far as Jewish accomplishments, they give each other prestigious awards, help each other get rich with insider trading, and use their influence to get themselves into the better universities. If I went to southern Italy, and saw children of mafia members getting into the better schools and getting the better jobs, and mafia families having a much higher family income than average, I wouldn’t conclude mafia families were smarter than everyone else. I would attribute their success to being “connected”.

      • Jim Henry

        Good point there, Bud.

        I suppose that adds credence to the saying “There are lies, damn lies and statistics”.

        Problem is, it shoots down all IQ stats.

      • WR_the_realist

        If I saw large numbers of Mafia members publishing peer reviewed papers in mathematics proving original, interesting, and deep theorems then I would believe that Mafia members are smart people. I do see a lot of Jewish names on those sorts of papers. A lot more than their 3% of the population. I see a lot of Asian names on those papers as well.

        When IQ tests show that blacks have an average IQ of 85. Hispanics have an average IQ of 92, and whites have an average IQ of 100, white nationalists are happy to acknowledge these facts. When the exact same tests show that East Asians have an average IQ of 105 and Ashkenazim Jews have an IQ of around 110, those same white nationalists insist that East Asians are just unimaginative plodders who only copy whites and that Jews have rigged the system to make themselves look good.

        I’m not East Asian, and I’m not Jewish. My own IQ is certainly well above the average of any of those groups. I don’t lose sleep over the fact that there are other groups with higher average IQ than the one I belong to, any more than it bothers me that there are individuals in each of the other groups (including blacks) who have higher IQ than me.

        If we have one strength over our opponents it should be our willingness to recognize the whole truth. If we just selectively accept only those facts that are convenient to our cause, we are no better than the left.

        • Sick of it

          But some of us have experience with members of these supposedly smarter groups and they have been found wanting in our eyes. The hype doesn’t match the reality.

          • Bossman

            There’s more to humanity than just brains. I’m sure a race of one-legged dwarfs who were super smart would still be looking for pretty and dumb women to mate with. Marilyn Monroe made her to Hollywood by sleeping with old ugly decrepit midgets who were rich and well-connected.

          • WR_the_realist

            Sure, there’s more to humanity than just intelligence. But this thread is about IQ, and your reply has nothing to do with IQ, and the adamant refusal of white nationalists to acknowledge that there are other groups that have higher average IQs than non-Jewish whites, including the group they hate most, Jews.

            Also, throughout all of human history old, rich, powerful men have used their position to bed beautiful young woman. And throughout all of human history there have been many beautiful young woman willing to trade their most obvious asset to some older man to obtain wealth and fame, or sometimes just a week on a yacht. It ain’t just Jews. Ask Ted Kennedy or J. Paul Getty.

          • WR_the_realist

            I’ve had plenty of experience with Jews. Most of them strike me as being no worse than other white people. Two stereotypes do hold out. First, they tend to be intelligent. Not geniuses (damn few people are) but smart. Second, they are overwhelmingly politically liberal. But then, so are my sister and brother. As The Economist once said, Jews in America live like Episcopalians and vote like Puerto Ricans.

          • Sick of it

            As someone else mentioned, part of number three has something to do with insider trading and, periodically, ponzi schemes (pump and dump stocks). Would not be surprised if a lot of the short sellers in the market were Jews.

          • WR_the_realist

            The Jews I know if did not engage in Ponzi schemes, front running of stocks, insider trading, pump and dump scams, or the like. The financially unsuccessful like to imagine that all the financially successful people cheated somehow. A common human trait, but not an admirable one.

          • David Ashton

            Early critics of Jewish immigration into the US did not (as commonly supposed) object on grounds of low intelligence but on grounds of dubious morals and health.

          • Sick of it

            Actually, reading case studies on such financial schemes makes it pretty clear that these are not rare events in the modern American economy. Sorry that you disagree with what we’re taught in business school because you know a few good guys or whatever.

          • WR_the_realist

            Sorry that you see half a dozen Jews get convicted of Ponzi schemes or insider trading and pay no attention to the hundreds of other Jews in the finance industry who don’t do those things.

          • jane johnson

            The original “Ponzi” was an Italian. I’m ‘eyetie’ myself, so not stereotyping, just sayin’.

          • Sick of it

            Never said Italians didn’t do the same thing. Some folks just seem dead set on having a love affair with a certain group that enjoys destroying our people worldwide.

        • jane johnson

          I’ve GOT to know why you brought up the Mafia in your post, when all references BUT that one are to racial or ethnic groups. Not getting down on you, just curious.

          • WR_the_realist

            Read Bud Smith’s post, the one I was responding to.

        • JohnEngelman

          Thank you again for this post. Keep posting.

  • Evette Coutier

    We can’t talk intelligence because our society puts feels before fact. For heaven’s sake, the official democrat speech manual says to appeal to emotions 100 percent of the time even over facts.

    • JohnEngelman

      I though that advice was taken from Rush Limbaugh’s speech manual.

      • Evette Coutier

        Where did you get this information?

  • Stan D Mute

    Yawn!

    There truly is nothing new. The “elites” do of course know that there are substantial group differences in IQ. They always have known. What they will never do, publically, is admit this. Why? (1) it is gauche. One does not go about speaking ill of the less fortunate, especially the intellectually less fortunate. Richwine mentions the conflicted and nowhere is this more evident than within Mensa, “the high IQ society.” As one would expect, Mensa membership demographics mirror what we know about IQ distribution in different populations. Yet it is a cardinal sin within Mensa, a club for people with high IQ’s to ever mention well known group differences in the sole requirement for membership. This is deeply rooted in our Anglo Saxon culture where it is always impolite to brag, impolite to look down on others, and required that we all must say the right things regardless of how we actually live (this is how people can champion “diversity” yet live in whitopias). (2) nothing would change even if this were openly acknowledged because of the same Anglo Saxon culture which requires us to help and look after the less fortunate. Whites are by far the most charitable people in the world. Conservatives are by far more charitable than liberals. So even if, by some miraculous cultural change, we were to openly accept and discuss group differences in intelligence, we would continue bringing the third world to Columbus, Ohio because we simply must help the less fortunate. If anything, welfare and other government transfer programs would only increase. Every pastor in every church in America would demand from the pulpit that good Christians have an obligation to shepherd and care for the intellectually enfeebled. If anything, the liberals are far ahead of conservatives here because they are not incessantly harangued and guilt plagued by “what would Jesus do?” (3) the only people who don’t already know all this are the fools with IQ’s of under 100 who believe what they hear from public intellectuals rather than understanding the Game as described above. These fools are NOT the “elites” but the millions of simpering idiots who spend all day on Facebook, have actually used twitter, and could tell you the latest “news” about Angelina Jolie or Beyonce Knowles.

    It’s too bad more intelligent “conservatives” can’t have really open dialog with intelligent “liberals” or spend some time within the enclaves of the “elites.” On this issue, there truly isn’t any difference between them. Neither care one iota for the average whites. Their situation never, absolutely never, enters into it. The only things that matter are keeping up appearances and “doing the right thing” by helping those with the greatest adversity (whom will always be blacks and browns due to their lower group IQ).

    Absent a massive cultural change of historic, even biblical proportions, nothing will ever change here.

  • Magician

    Hahahahahahahaha

  • John R

    Why can’t we talk about IQ? Because the Left, who dominate the media, and higher education, don’t want us to. And why don’t THEY want us to? Let me explain:

    Most know that IQ is an inherited characteristic. You don’t learn more, and “raise your IQ.” You may of course increase your knowledge, but not your innate intelligence. So, some
    people have higher IQ’s than others, from birth. So, some people are “not equal” to others in inherited intelligence. This then begs the question of racial difference in intelligence. If there are other obvious differences between races, then, why not intelligence?

    The problem: the whole theory of the Left on race is based on the assumption of absolute equality in average intelligence between blacks and other races. Any study in the area of inherited intelligence, puts that idea on very shaky ground. Remember, the whole idea of racial equality is based on politics, and has no scientific, or empirical, evidence, to back it up. You will note that anytime you start to discuss this with anyone who believes in
    the equality of blacks. Inevitably the “discussion” devolves into raw emotions
    and personal attacks.

    So, yes, the believers in absolute racial equality have every reason to not want any open discussion of IQ, and indeed, to despise the very concept.

  • BarnyL

    We can talk about IQ and would be talking about IQ, if Whites on average had a lower IQ than blacks.

  • Beetlejuice

    Same thing if Obama’s educational records such as grades, SAT, LSAT scores were released. If he were as “brilliant” as we keep hearing from the media, and they had the proof, we’d never hear the end of it.

    • Frans

      Obama and wife have affirmative action degrees given to them not based on merit, but because they’re black; both held affirmative action, shady, do-nothing jobs; and he has the title he now possesses only because he’s black. My guess is that he’s of average intelligence, nothing special. You’re right; we’d never hear the end of it if he had legitimate grades confirming his supposed brilliance.

  • Spartacus

    They disassembled them for parts in order to make their genetic engineering laboratories, where they created us. Isn’t it obvious ?

  • Strange that he never even attempted to answer the question, or even attempted to delve into possible reasons for why we cannot talk about IQ.

    But then again, keeping it superficial seems to be the modus operandi, the MO, for both the liberals and conservatives, at least when it comes to certain ‘touchy’ subjects.

    “Why” is a great question, but no one really seems to be interested in even attempting to answer that question.

    I will try to answer the question. You cannot talk about IQ and race because it goes against the unwritten rules of professional white-collar professional culture in america.

    Why is it that these unwritten rules exist in the first place?

    Because whites and blacks were jammed together by the elite when they created the so-called civil rights movement. Racial integration, forced busing, etc. This was crammed down the throats of the unwilling white majority by federal judges, judges who graduated from elite schools and never really had a real job in their lives. These judges were
    indoctrinated, propagandized by the educational system, the elite part of the educational system, from youth. Why on earth would they care about the desires of the majority?

    But we don’t talk about the fact that the civil rights movement was an undemocratic “coup” of Capital against Labor. Unwritten rules of professional culture forbid discussion of these topics.

    This is called a ‘cultural taboo.’ Or perhaps societal taboo or tribal taboo might be the more appropriate phrase here.

    It is taboo to talk about race and IQ because….well, not because the white majority does not want to talk about it, but because those at the top do not want to talk about.

    In human tribes taboos are handed down from on high. This is a species oriented around status hierarchies.

    It is taboo to talk about how the civil rights movement was a anti-democratic coup of Capital against Labor not because the white majority does not want to talk about it, but because those at the top do not want to talk about.

    Both liberal and conservative political tribes have their own particular taboos.
    But we can talk only about the taboos of the liberal political tribe here, right?

    So the elite want to ignore race and IQ because the elite want nonwhites fully integrated into society. So, here is another question that is now raised: how do the elite gain from racial integration? And why is that question never raised here or in similar forums? Is it taboo to ask that question here?

    • Bo_Sears

      “In human tribes taboos are handed down from on high. This is a species oriented around status hierarchies.”

      Thanks PFP, this is the single most intelligent and thought-provoking sentence among all these comments, and most of us simply do not know that we are an amazingly hierarchical species….how else could kings and dictators stay securely in positions of authority without this pyramid effect?

      There are web sites devoted to mouthing claims that the diverse white Americans are highly individualistic, but that’s bosh. All anyone has to do is observe over a period of years popular culture, corporate entertainment culture (which is not popular culture), and the dominant media culture to see how trends, catch phrases, and themes are drummed into our ears and how so many of us get in line.

      At Resisting Defamation, we don’t make generalizations about other demographic affinity groups, but your statement is utterly and profoundly true about the diverse white Americans…and we need to take it into account on every level.

      A good example is that in the Seventies, a great deal of excitement was generated by “scientific” claims that we were in for Global Cooling. In the past twenty years, “scientists” sign up for consensus agreements about Global Warming way outside their fields. Lotta fraud, lotta following….severely enforced by law and taboo.

  • Ella

    You’re right on and it has to do with dumping billions of dollars into a dysfunctional public schools. If lucky, you’ll have 2% minority gifted who will accelerate their learning and the rest will be 3-5 grades behind lagging in English skills. Teachers don’t like educational gulfs in the classrooms. Probably over 60% of White children already can read some basic words before K-school and motivated to learn. (This does not apply to Koreans/Asians (or any) who arrive later in life with some formal education.) Of course the elite have their token “Charter Schools” to save the few, selected minority students using our tax monies and setting the so-called “norm.” Many Charter schools limit White kids under 10%, which still would include Jewish and Muslim children. Charter Schools rank the highest in our State for test performance due to low teacher ratio and REAL academic agenda. IQ and learning speed have a very high correlation.

  • Ella

    If HAD to vote between Obama and the Bush family, I would vote for Obama. I can’t stand globalists and Daddy Bush NAFTA agreement that also flooded this country with more illegals and drained us from jobs.

    • Because Obama is a nationalist, protectionist and wants to close to border to hoards of illegals pouring in.

      • IstvanIN

        They’re both wretches.

    • ms_anthro

      They both have the same masters. There is no significant difference between the two main parties. Regardless of whichever puppet is occupying the Oval Office, we lose.

  • Frans

    So true! I think black I.Q. speaks for itself. Look at the history of the race throughout time!

  • Mr. Richwine is simply making too much sense for a politically correct machine that has made its living off of lies, distortion and manipulation of facts.

    If even the tiniest of differences like innate cognitive ability or capacity can’t vary among different racial groups because of some misplaced notion of equality, then it would be even more logical to state that complex instincts and innate abilities of different species and even animals within the same family simply can’t exist. But we all know that instincts and innate abilities are real.

    I really, really don’t see how anyone who is honest and even somewhat intelligent can pretend that the brain could never manifest itself in different capacities or abilities among distinct racial groups any less than can different types of hair follicles be attributable to those same groups. How is it possible that a simple hair follicle develop differences through environmental stimuli, but a brain which is really nothing but perpetual stimulus not evolve at varying degrees and capacities?

    • Chris Granzow XI

      The thing is that those more than “somewhat intelligent” people are intelligent enough to know what would be the social consequences of admitting such realities in the PC society of today. They become pariahs and black sheep for simply acknowledging the writing on the wall.

  • anonymous_amren

    The Conservative Treehouse finally went race realist!!!
    Well done Stella!

  • me

    Engelman,
    You really do need to move to Japan. I’m sure you’ll be more comfortable there.

  • And yet you never married one. You’d probably be happier if you had. They don’t bite.

    • JohnEngelman

      I know I would have been happier.

  • me

    Must have been a small group of Whites with a “Bantu in the woodpile”.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Its because their 60 IQ has out smartest us again, I think Blacks have 76 chevy Impalas on Mars with 22 inch spinners delivering chicken , we haven’t noticed because they use ebonics.

  • Sick of it

    Mediterraneans like Sicilians, eh?

  • Sick of it

    That scenario does not fit with my experiences with Vietnamese immigrants in our school system.

    • JohnEngelman

      I lived in San Jose, California when the city was engulfed by impoverished Vietnamese war refugees. During non school hours and on Saturdays the public libraries were full of Vietnamese children doing their homework.

  • Tacitus1

    I have a copy of the Bell Curve and found it only somewhat interesting. My problem with the premise is that I am quite skeptical of an exam which can measure intelligence. It appears that IQ can only measure a facet of true intelligence. I think true intelligence is much more comprehensive and or multifaceted.

    • Chris Granzow XI

      Same here. But the fact that it correlates to numerous phenomenon in the real world shows that there’s some substance to it (I think most of us here would agree with this). It can measure or reveal how high someones g-factor is ( wikipedia. org/wiki/G_factor_(psychometrics) ). IQ, verbal reasoning intelligence, the so-called “emotional” intelligence, and probably even brain health (no physical damage to the brain) and good memory are all factors contributing to what we consider true intelligence.

      • Tacitus1

        That is so true .

    • MikeofAges

      I don’t think anyone believes that one test, one time, can tell you all and everything about a person. But multiple measures, multiple times begin to make a picture.

      Remember, also, that IQ as a concept is not a measure of a single ability, but the sum of different abilities. If someone scores 100 or 140, that doesn’t tell you anything about what aptitude they are strongest in or what they are weakest in. What is known is that there is a strong statistical correlation between a high IQ an the likelihood that someone will be exceptional in something. Almost all of the high achievers in any endeavor whatsoever recognized as intellectual also have posted high scores on their standardized tests, including IQ. You have to go out of your way to limit people’s opportunities and truncate their careers to prevent this from happening. If you get the point. That point is a major reason why this website exists.

    • anonymous_amren

      Stupid people usually think that. Partly because they’re biased and partly because they’re too stupid to understand.

  • Yale2001

    Jason Richwine’s study proves what we already know. Simple as that. We just can’t talk about it. It’s one area of science we just simply prefer to be ignorant about than study. Reminds me of the stories of the “flat earth”, when anyone even questioned it, they were demonized.

  • MikeofAges

    Another issue is that senior people who might know better let the “young people” engage in whatever antics they choose, figuring that they are uncontrollable anyway. This might be less of a factor than in the past, however, now that many of the senior people are themselves the “graduates” of the same process. If nothing else, the prevailing gestalt in the media is that the “normal” point of view of a “responsible” establishment type is “Uncle Walter” (i.e. Walter Cronkite) liberalism. Those who are less “establishment” are permitted greater excesses of radicalism.

    Come to think of it, any white who refuses to be an “Uncle Walter” gets a hard time of it. Come to think of it, any minority politician who wants to rise above the level of ward heeler or state capitol hack has become an Uncle Walter too. The last major non cooperator was Rick Santorum. He got pretty beat up over it.

  • Bossman

    Yes, East Asians are at one end of the spectrum and Sub-Saharan Africans are at the other end of that spectrum. One group evolved in the hot tropics and the other group evolved in the land of snow and ice. What should we be doing about those differences?

    • JohnEngelman

      We should be acknowledging those differences.

    • robinbishop34

      We should bomb the sun.

  • Bossman

    Jews are ideologically driven more so than any other group. They are out to prove a point. They take pride in individuality and encourage creativity.

    • WR_the_realist

      So Jews take pride in individuality and encourage creativity? Good for them. Non-Jewish whites should go forth and do likewise.

  • Athling

    It is a travesty that the MSM did not use this “controversy” about IQ differences as an opportunity to explore the issue, research the literature, and present the facts to the public. It is an outrage that Mr. Richwine’s employer didn’t bother lifting a finger to examine the issue, which should have led to his defense, but instead he was quickly thrown onto the sacrificial alter of political correctness.

    Of course, we knew how the media would respond. They responded the same way they do to the unreported black-on-white crime wave and as they did in the Martin/Zimmerman case. But where does this mentality come from? Why can’t we talk about IQ?

    I am developing a theory about all this. There is something going on not only here in the U.S. but in virtually all Western countries. There is something more going on than the mere notion of a small elitist group of people working behind the scenes (who could do nothing without massive support from non-group members who share their ideology). There is something more than this.

    Liberalism has been called a mental disorder and I believe that is in fact a key part of the equation. There is something that appears to be an innate part of the Western people’s psychological makeup not commonly found in non-Western people.

    The answer may be altruism. Pathological altruism. Altruism is the unselfish concern for or devotion to the welfare of others without the expectation of reward. In biological terms, an organism behaves altruistically when its behaviour benefits other organisms, at a cost to itself.

    Altruism is considered a virtue in many cultures and an examination of religions found throughout the world reveals that most religions are either based on altruism or have altruism as a primary focus. However, scientific studies, such as those conducted at the Max Planck Institute, are increasingly reporting the genetically heritable aspects of altruism. In any case, how do whites differ in this regard compared to non-whites?

    It can readily be shown that whites are by far the most altruistic people on the planet. Involvement in the protection of animals and the environment, charitable giving, tipping, concern with the civil rights of others, support for affirmitive action programs even when those programs harm their own people, marching and protesting for the interests of others, immigration policies that welcome racial aliens, a non-reciprocated and deeply felt empathy for others, are almost the exclusive domain of white people.

    Non-whites show much lower levels of altruism and when it is displayed, the “others” who benefit from it are nearly always their own people. Not members of another race or even religion.

    The reason we can’t talk about IQ also goes beyond “white guilt.” I believe the reason involves the fact that many whites are engaging in a dangerous form of pathological altruism. If this isn’t checked at some point, it will cost us everything.

    • Vonhauer

      I tend to agree. As I have noted before, where are the black members of PETA? How many Asians have or would march in a civil rights movement that benefits only blacks? Where are the Muslim missionaries devoting their lives to help the poor and starving non-Muslims throughout impoverished parts of the world? How much money has Japan given to fight AIDS in Africa? I could go on and on.

      Yes, its pretty much a white thing and don’t think blacks and Latinos here, and Muslims in Western Europe, aren’t aware of this and take full advantage of it. When blacks persistently play the race card against whites they know they are trying to manipulate white altruism for their own benefit.

      Whites are genetically predisposed toward higher levels of altruism to begin with and, when it gets out of control, we suffer because of it.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Our enemies have figured out our greatest weakness and exploited it: White altruism, which is itself an inherited White trait embedded in White DNA as a survival mechanism.

        As others have pointed out, there is NO other race/ethnic group that does this, they only advocate for their own and are not vilified or called supremacists when they do. Being vilified for standing up for one’s own race applies to the White race and ONLY the White race.

        This is also the main reason, IMO, the great, traditional protestant churches are going under — they aid, abet and give large amounts of money to undermine White interests — by helping everyone BUT beleaguered Whites and encouraging non-White immigration into White homelands (Lutheran Charities).

        These churches should be doing everything they can and using their vast amounts of money to help South African Whites and to preserve White homelands for Whites. In 50 years, there will BE NO WHITE HOMELANDS.

        I don’t think a single White should give a dime to any organization that works to promote White genocide — and that is exactly what I see these so-called Christian churches doing.

        Bon

      • Rick Brooks

        How many non-whites adopt white children and raise them as their own? It seems only whites have a thing for adopting children of other races. It would strike most people as bizarre if a black or an Asian adopted and raised a white child as their own. Sure there are a few rare exceptions… black singer Lionel Ritchie has an adopted white daughter Nicole, but altogether it’s very uncommon.

    • Winston Merryweather

      Iteresting point. I had not thought of it in those terms but it does make sense.

      A few years ago I read a study that found that the most charitable givers in the US were among the poorest whites living in Mississippi. So altruism is not simply a function of wealth.

      I know of very few nonwhites who show altruism or empathy for those not belonging to their own racial group.

    • MikeofAges

      The American elite seem most determined to stop the progress of people of their own color. They will do just about anything to achieve that goal, and have adopted patronizing the development of anyone who is not white as their primary means. Very strange. The common man lives in the present but sees the community as eternal and gives the highest value to preserving it and its cultural roots, i.e. blood and soil. The elites see their children and grandchildren, and nothing else. If those succeed and have been prepared to repeated the same process, they might not care what is going on around them.

  • HamletsGhost

    More likely, they are hypnotized.
    Just as a stage hypnotist can get audience members to cluck around on stage like chickens with a few words, liberals can convince themselves that they believe their own propaganda, but only by a little bit. Enough to advance their careers, but not so much as to move to a ghetto neighborhood.

  • David Ashton

    I don’t think it was Montagu that got Burt’s papers after his death but the person suspected of (shall we say) mishandling them is still alive and cannot be named because of UK libel laws. Nevertheless, Burt’s general work has been vindicated by biographers, and his conclusions endorsed by completely separate subsequent studies by Plomin and others.

  • MartelC

    ironically, the left also sees itself as the champions of reason and scientific thought – they love to bring out stories of ‘right wing christians’ ‘suppressing’ teaching evolution. … but of course, by evolution they mean their politically sanctioned view of it.
    The parts of evolution that don’t ‘fit’ are tossed out and liberals become far more in denial than any ‘creationist ‘ would ever be (of course, a creationist, like a nazi is anyone who disagrees with liberal dogma!)

    If you think I am exaggerating, visit the American Museum of Natural History – they have a ‘hall of evolution’ – it ends with a large quote at the end to the effect: although we may have evolved today we are all alike and all we are all the same race, we may have different skin but we’re all the same underneath.

    They also still have a special Stephen Jay Gould section in the bookstore!

    and this is a ‘science’ museum.

    • The “scientific” and “reasonable” left believes that evolution is constantly happening except that it somehow stopped a few hundred thousand years ago in regard to human neurology.

      The horror stories that social leftists tell each other about “right wing Christians” wanting this or that or not wanting this or that have nothing to do with the literal content of the matter, but it’s all sandbagging on behalf of partisan politics, trying to dislodge the Republican Party’s most loyal voters from the party’s political candidates. The proof of that is that none of these doctrinaire social liberals would ever vote Republican (except for the rare inconsequential local yokel election) if no social conservatives were ever part of the Republican Party. What they want is for a RINO vs conservative civil war within the Republican Party to break it apart so Democrats can win every election that matters.

    • MikeofAges

      In literature class, I argued the point that you would get further and reach more people promoting the idea that the human race is a spiritual family than you would promoting the idea that the human race is a phyletic family. The “evolution” exhibit as designed simply shows how spiritually bereft these people are. And lousy at public relations, too.

      The instructor did not disagree but seemed nervous about the idea. Maybe because I was suggesting that the thugs on the street corner needed a little instruction in humanity too.

  • Athling

    hehe thanks for that link. Interesting observations with a bit of wit attached to them. I laughed but there is an underlying truth to what is being said there and I have found this to be common among our people everywhere they are found.

    Take for example, Iceland, a country not associated at all with “Passover Syndrome.” The city council of Reykjavík has recently approved the building of a Muslim mega-mosque in their virtually all-white nation, welcoming the racially, culturally, and religiously alien Arabs into their country with open arms. Ready and willing, like their white cousins all over the planet, to plant the seeds of racial dissolution within their own homelands.

    This truly is a form of mental illness that makes perfect sense against a backdrop of pathalogical altruism.

    Behold this Nordic, blond-haired, blue-eyed, girl. You will likely never see a non-white exhibiting this type of behavior…

    • MerlinV

      Doncha’ know the Muslim rape gangs in Britain and Sweden would love to get their hands on that girl?!

      .

    • David Ashton

      Another twit (I mean the girl, not you Athling).
      “O believers, do not take Christians as your friends”.

  • teaisstronger

    OBAMA WAS SAID TO HAVE THE HIST IQ OF ANY AMERICAN EXCEPT FOR HILLARY

    When asked what Obama’s IQ was, you were told, “Well what do you think it is?” No one would dare say what it was be cause it is secret like so much of his background. He may have gone to college but there is not any prof he ever graduated. Obama is a KGB straw man.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Why Can’t we Talk About IQ?

    Because for decades leftoids have pushed the prevailing and only accepted dogma of tabula rasa or blank slate – that IQ is a product strictly of environment and is NOT heritable.

    Any deviation from blank slate theory is heresy and subjects one to being instantly labeled (for life) a racist and hater — James Watson, for example.

    Blank Slate theory mandates that ALL intelligence is learned from one’s society, therefore any failure can be blamed on society rather than race. Accepting that most of one’s IQ is inherited would mean backs will never reach parity with Whites and also that they and only they must be held accountable for their actions.

    Of course, blank slate has been throughly disproved but lefties will never allow the truth to be accepted; better the lie, better to blame Whites and White culture, which then must be destroyed for everyone to finally be equal, reach his full potential and peace to reign, right?

    Sounds like a recipe for White genocide if you ask me.

    Why Can’t We Talk About IQ?

    Because the truth about IQ will give you the answers the media, schools and government don’t want you to know: The Races are Not and Will Never Be Equal

    Bon

    • Ella

      Intelligence supposed to aid us in survival. It helps with problem-solving . So if Whites are committing “racial suicide,” then, we’re obviously not acting on our best intelligence. Whites might be stagnating for various reasons or possibly declining after reaching a peak.

      • David Ashton

        Intelligent whites have been bombarded with propaganda that has instilled in many of them a racial guilt. “Liberalism is the ideology of western suicide” said James Burnham, ex-Marxist who also wrote, incidentally, a book called “The Web of Subversion” which was an early answer to Comrade Engelman’s apologia for communist treachery in the USA.

        • Sick of it

          I’m sure Burnham had many gems of wisdom to share. Having been one of the staunchest supporters of the other side is the best way to understand them.

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Whites are not committing suicide, this is being done TO us.

        The media, judicial system, government and academia are fully in the hands of our enemies who wish nothing less than the eradication of the White Race — by flooding our homelands with non-Whites, moving violent blacks into our neighborhoods and children’s schools, taxing us into oblivion and legislating against us.

        Politicians on both sides of the aisle are nothing more than paid off whores doing their masters’ bidding.

        Bon

        • Ella

          Many legislative acts has been done against us, and it’s just starting -true. But, probably 40% Whites support this “White guilt” propaganda and their self-centred compassion rather than valuing preference or aid to their own ethnic groups. Nearly half the Whites will make their beds and force us ALL to lay in it. The usual age-old brutalities, it never ends -not in America or Europe.

  • FourFooted_Messiah

    Maybe this might be the place to sort something out.

    Ok, conversation at another site, where I was trying to define – update, really – the definition of species and race. My usual example is the north american canids – coyotes, wolves, and dogs, which can all freely interbreed (I don’t know about the jackal, so I’ll ignore them for the sake of ignoring them.)

    The leftists argument is that the canid races are not equivalent to human races, because you cannot take a coyote or wolf puppy and turn it into a dog. My counter-argument was “Well, how do you think people got dogs in the first place?” Then I got banhammered.

    Now, while I would expect a female wolf, even one raised by hand from a puppy, to want to empty the house of all “debris” (including furniture) upon sexual maturity*, why should I expect some stone-age south american kid, or some african kid, to come without certain behavioural problems?

    *she-wolves detest anything in their dens, as child choking hazards or some damn thing. They will attempt to empty a house if they consider it their den.

    • Nathanwartooth

      Don’t argue the definition of race, species or anything else like that. You can’t win because they can always make up new definitions on the spot or just claim yours is wrong. Since obviously we aren’t using the dictionary here.

      When I explain race I throw all of those concepts out the window. I just talk about inbred groups that share characteristics and are on average different from other groups.

      You can call that whatever you want. But if you just use the definition and not the word, no one can attack it.

      • David Ashton

        Population groups, ethnic groups, mating groups, subspecies….

      • FourFooted_Messiah

        Yeah, the defintion sure does seem to shift depending on what you’re talking about. Humans maze my mind with their specialness BS.

  • JohnEngelman

    It you cannot explain that to me in your own words in a post that fits on a single computer screen I doubt you understand it yourself.

    Jewish superiority is too obvious, and too attested to by too many sources to merit doubt.

    • David Ashton

      Your first sentence is ridiculous and insulting.

      The average intellectual superiority of an ethnic group know as Jews is a separate issue from how this superiority may be used to advance any specific interests of this ethnic group. The influence of Jews in Hollywood is glaringly “obvious”, and whether US cinema promotes any ethnic interests of this small population group (e.g. “Our Holocaust” movies) is a subject whose details would exceed the space of one computer screen. And this comment comes from someone who found the Jewish “Seinfeld” very funny and thinks that the Jewish Gwyneth Paltrow probably has the best legs in Tinsel Town.

      • JohnEngelman

        Anyone can find an article on the internet that they agree with. Posting it on a forum with the attitude, “Read this. It proves that I am right.” is tedious.

        I could always find something on the internet that I agree with, and say, “No. Read this. It proves that I’m right.”

        Dueling articles waste computer memory. The legitimate function of the internet in a forum debate is to document factual assertions made in an argument one composes oneself. That is the way I use the internet. Many of the sources I use to document my factual assertions are sources I found on American Renaissance.

        Hollywood is one one of the most competitive environments in the United States. I have read that six out of seven movies lose money. Jews do not control Hollywood. Anyone is free to make a movie. If Jews dominate Hollywood it is because of their superior intelligence.

        • David Ashton

          You do exactly that – posting endlessly on the same old internet references from AmRen and ignoring contrary data on e.g.Chinese IQ and crime.

          Hollywood: Jews compete with one another, and it takes quite a bit of money, publicity, access to outlets and friends in useful places to make successful movies.

          • sbuffalonative

            Anyone can find an article on the internet that they agree with. Posting it on a forum with the attitude, “Read this. It proves that I am right.” is tedious.

            Mr. Engelman uses this tactic all the time to advance his case of superiority but the denies us the right to do so to counter his claims.

            Google: Jews DO control the media by Manny Friedman

            Let’s be honest with ourselves, here, fellow Jews. We do control the media. We’ve got so many dudes up in the executive offices in all the big movie production companies it’s almost obscene. Just about every movie or TV show, whether it be “Tropic Thunder” or “Curb Your Enthusiasm,” is rife with actors, directors, and writers who are Jewish. Did you know that all eight major film studios are run by Jews?

          • JohnEngelman

            I guess I need to quote once again from Jared Taylor’s “The Color of Crime.”

            “Asians commit violent crimes at about one quarter the white rate.”

          • David Ashton

            Jared has in mind Chinese violence known outside their own community, not crimes concealed within them. I do not need to quote yet again the many other references I have given with a contrary view, from violence in China to increasing organised crime in the USA, because it is a waste of time with you and your limited stockpile.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not doubt that some Chinese are criminals. The point is that Chinese have a much lower crime rate than white Gentiles. Chinese also have higher average IQ’s than white Gentiles.

            Those facts are so well known that I do not need to document them using sources from AR.

            In Hollywood everyone wants to hitch a ride on someone else’s talent. There is no Jewish cabal to keep Gentiles out. The first Rocky movie was made with a budget of one million dollars. It grossed 220 million dollars. Sylvester Stallone is not Jewish.

          • David Ashton

            Neither were Marlon Brando nor Mel Gibson “Jewish” but they certainly got cabal-whacked for stepping out of line.

          • David Ashton

            Neither were Marlon Brando nor Mel Gibson “Jewish” but they were cabal-whacked for speaking out of turn.

          • David Ashton

            Neither Marlon Brando nor Mel Gibson are “Jewish” but both were cabal-whacked for speaking out of turn.

          • David Ashton

            My reply to this has disappeared from the thread but is in my archive.

        • Sick of it

          They started Hollywood illegally, rofl.

      • Sick of it

        Seinfeld is very funny…also very dirty.

  • WR_the_realist

    If I recall correctly it was Jared Taylor’s experience in Africa that made him into a race realist. Sometimes the only way for people to recognize the truth is to be knocked over the head by it.

    • JohnEngelman

      In my case it happened when several black muggers knocked me over the head. A liberal advised me to read “The Color of Deception,” by Tim Wise.

      Because that was an effort to refute Jared Taylor’s “The Color of Crime,” I read that too, and have been posting here ever since.

  • din_do_nuffins

    We can’t talk IQ because blacks tell us we can’t.

  • NonYa Biz

    “The Bell Curve – Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life”

    by Richard J. Herrnstein, Ph.D. Psychology, Harvard University, and Charles Murray, Ph.D. Political Science, M.I.T.

    According to The Bell Curve, black IQ scores are so far below white IQ scores in their distribution as to preclude useful Affirmative Action Programs. The reason? Only about 29,000 African Americans have IQ levels above 130 points, the minimal level found suitable for most executives in business. With 15+ million businesses in America, this leaves fewer than one theoretically qualified African American for every 500 businesses; however, more than 20,000 of these 29,000 African Americans are under 21 years of age and one-half of those precious few 9,000 African Americans who are presently above 21 years of age will never earn a university undergraduate degree. That leaves just 4,500 African Americans over 130 IQ points with a university degree to share among 15+ million companies .this is why Affirmative Action has aided white women and asians in achieving high promotions more than it has African Americans.

    The types of jobs available for almost 28 million African Americans with IQ’s below 85 points are typical menial positions such as janitorial work,cooking, common labor, carpentry, routine factory work, residential services,security, farming, retail sales, and lawn work. These were the natural choices of African Americans prior to Affirmative Action and continue to employ the vast majority of African Americans. It is believed by many economists that one of the reasons American manufacturers are moving overseas is the problem of African American economic expectation–e.g., African American low IQ levels, Affirmative Action unrealistic legal rules concerning African American promotions, and African American lawsuits over not being promoted regardless of their low IQ level, and the related quagmire of civil rights in the United States.

    Meanwhile, the U.S. Government continues to refuse to consider the huge body of evidence concerning low comparative African American IQ Levels. A scan of the famous bell curve from the book of that name illustrates better than one million words the desperate position of African Americans and why the vast majority of African Americans may never succeed as hoped by our civil rights leaders.

    The majority of African Americans have IQ scores below 85, and 85 points is borderline between retarded and feeble minded. This is reflected in the large number of African Americans who never graduate from high school. Graduation rates in many cities is less than 17% of the student body and more than one-half of the African American who do graduate are functionally illiterate.

    • MikeofAges

      The creation of the Affirmative Action system is the nexus through which everything else flows. In American history, the racial system is the system. Whatever racial system exists defines the life and position in society of everyone, not just that of blacks.

      Just so everyone know, IQ 85 is not the borderline of retardation. People who score between the low 70s and about 85 are called “dull normal” or just plain :”slow”. Dull normals in the white world largely perform simple industrial, manual and service jobs. But computerization sometimes pushes the slow witted out of some of those too. Like long-haul truck driver, for example. The work needed to conform to DOT, insurance and company regulations, often done on a computer, might be just too much for some people.

    • skara_brae

      Completely agree old chap with one glaring exception. Carpentry? You must know nothing about carpentry.

      • IstvanIN

        He probably means someone who simply nails 2x4s together under supervision and not a skilled finish carpenter or cabinet maker.

        • I was thinking the same thing about carpentry. Lots of math involved.

  • deadindenver

    In social situations I’ve been privy to
    many informal conversations with highly educated persons many who
    clearly vote “progressive” Did you hear so and so are have a
    baby, “Oh it will be smart, mommy and daddy are both doctors”
    etc. etc. Sure it’s a colloquial conversation but clearly implies
    they know there is a genetic component to intelligence yet God forbid
    you bring in up when discussing intelligence in ethnic groups. Many
    of these folks are also attached to the educational industrial
    complex and they have a vetted economic interest to things as they
    are, so as to recognize this would certainly shake up how we deliver
    education and ultimately there own apparatchik positions within it.

  • JohnEngelman

    In his book “The True Believer” Eric Hoffer wrote this, “The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.”

    Notice what Eric Hoffer had to say about those who claim all excellence for their race.

    • David Ashton

      Why quote Hoffer as an authority? When other people cite authorities for facts, and not opinions like this one, you merely complain that they have thereby lost the argument with you (exactly the opposite, if anything).

      • JohnEngelman

        What Hoffer wrote is self evident to anyone who thinks about it. Whites who have the intelligence to excel in elite universities and get well paying jobs with companies like Microsoft do not complain about imaginary dangers like “genocide” and “race displacement.” They know that they will not be displaced, and that they and their children have bright futures.

  • Ella

    Some of these immigrant children had parents with college education or business backgrounds before Vietnam war, and some refugees eventually became the American dream or success story. I had two close Vietnamese friends who shared with me their stories. They had to study long hours and avoid extra-curricular activities like sports. They also did not date or hang out with friends much.

  • dd121

    Sickle Cell Anemia is a random mutation that apparently conveys some resistance to malaria. I have an inherited blood condition called Porphyria in a form that makes it possible to survive black plague without modern treatment. The frequency of this mutation greatly increased during the middle ages when the plague was endemic. Sickle Cell is found in blacks or those with negro blood from which the mutation arose.

  • JohnEngelman

    I have worked with several hundred computer programmers. Only four were black. One was fired after six months.

  • David Ashton

    Internet references are OK when you provide them, but not when others do so.

    • JohnEngelman

      When has anyone posted a credible source maintaining that Orientals have higher rates of crime and illegitimacy than whites, and lower average IQ’s?

  • Beetlejuice

    Then why can’t Asians, with their “high intelligence” create cultures and societies that they wish to live in instead of barging into white countries?

    You’ve got to stop with the childish posts and behavior, Engelman.

    In 50 years there will be NO majority White countries left. Yet Africans will have over 40 nations that remain black African. Asia will remain Asian. ONLY White countries are.

    Maybe you’d like to explain to us how you came to be so anti-white and why you think Asians should be allowed to mass immigrate to white countries to compete with white children?

    Do you think it’s A-OK for whites to mass immigrate to China and demand special “rights” over the native born citizens? Demand that our children be taught in English, ballots be printed in English? (LOL).

  • JohnEngelman

    I prefer sources that I have found on American Renaissance.

  • JohnEngelman

    Jews are widely admired, especially in the United States because of their intellectual achievements. They are resented by inferior people because of those achievements.

  • ms_anthro

    Ah yes, the good old “Whites do it too!” excuse to attempt to explain why certain bad behaviors are more common among non-Whites. Like cheating among Orientals, for instance.

    When was the last time you read about White students rioting because they weren’t allowed to cheat on their exams? Exactly, it has never happened. Meanwhile, in China:

    www telegraph co uk/news/worldnews/asia/china/10132391/Riot-after-Chinese-teachers-try-to-stop-pupils-cheating html

    Exceptions to a rule don’t disprove the rule.

  • sshadow

    These studies don’t break out US Whites from blacks and Hispanics and Muslims as did the V Dare version I was quoting from. US Whites without all the undertow averaged in are a pretty distinguished group. Our White Euro Genome produces the IQ dispersion that squeezes out the occasional High Genius that brings us all to the next level. Just exactly why do you think that loads of Chinese sneak into this country, and overstay their visas, and bring their women into this country to birth their babies in a seedy racket? It’s because of what a very special group of people have achieved, i.e. building a nation that has been the envy of the world. Granted, this is changing by way of the sabotage of the clandestine cultural marxists. These self righteous surreptitious purveyors of societal cancer are currently prevailing because of the collusive cooperation of so many Marxist Media Moguls. Most Whites have no idea about this as they enjoy the bounties of their wonderful nation. Why should they suspect that any nefarious group would do anything like this to them?

    • JohnEngelman

      According to the OECD/PISA Japanese and Korean students outperform students in countries where nearly everyone is white.

  • Sick of it

    It’s worse when they invariably babble in their foreign language right in front of you, often making nasty observations about you.

    • JohnEngelman

      How do you know what they are saying if you can’t speak their language. You are projecting your hostility for them onto them.

  • Talltrees

    There’s no genetic history of sickle cell in white people, which means it can’t be inherited, unless they have hidden black ancestry.

  • Talltrees

    A very important point you make about dogs. Purebreds are bred for behavior as well as appearance. Those genes, passed onto puppies; therefore represent and guarantee breed standards. All puppies forward continue to look and behave like AKC’s breed description as long as both parents were the same breed.

    Of course, this applies to humans, and why offspring look and behave similarly to their parents. “Chip off the old block.”

  • ms_anthro

    “Presumably, he doesn’t believe that it’s because black people aren’t as clever.”

    What a presumption! That’s almost certainly exactly what he believes, as does anyone with eyes to see this basic, immutable fact of life. Just once, I wish some high profile person would defiantly respond to such ridiculous witch hunt tactics with, “Actually, I do believe that black people aren’t as clever, and here’s the evidence.” And then refuse to apologize or back down while the multicultists gnash their teeth and rend their garments. Their whining hysteria is comical and provoking it is fun.

    • watling

      It is inconceivable that Dawkins would believe that blacks are as clever as whites. The same applies to any white academic.

      However, whereas he’ll just about get away with the statement he made about Muslims, there is no way he would make a similar statement about blacks because he knows his career would not survive it.

      The world isn’t quite ready for the truth.

  • ms_anthro

    Or just mention Ethiopia, which was never colonized at all.

  • WR_the_realist

    Because you made up your mind long ago and are closed to new information.

  • David Ashton

    He flies his little tattered flag of repetition on his impregnable giant fortress of invincible ignorance.

    Answering his political “arguments” however gives me the satisfaction of acquainting our readers with useful information for general use.

    • JohnEngelman

      Just because I disagree with you does not mean that I suffer from “invincible ignorance.” A dispassionate observer would probably conclude that I am better informed than you are, even of the writings of Jared Taylor and Professor J. Philippe Rushton. I frequently quote them in order to substantiate my arguments.

      • David Ashton

        Your contributions keep repeating the same little sentences from a limited stock. References to J. Taylor and J. P. Rushton on Chinese intelligence and criminality ignore other data and discussion. You are on firmer ground re Ashkenazim average IQ because of R. Lynn’s comprehensive studies, but seem to think “antisemitism” arises from simply “envy” of Jewish intelligence. Whereas it has entailed fear or suspicion that clever Jews have deceived others in their own ethnic or commercial interests, you ignore other factors involved in this phenomenon.

        The problems in dealing with your reiterated bald pontifications are that you (1) just ignore contrary information or arguments, (2) absurdly demand that critics summarise extensive material on screen in minimal AmRen space, and (3) proudly announce that references to books and articles you intend to ignore prove that you have “won” the (non-existent) “argument”.

        Some specific illustrations:

        A. “Marx came to believe that his ideals could be achieved democratically,” i.e. through parliamentary suffrage alone. In 1872 he “did not deny” that in England and America “the worker might attain his object by peaceful means”, though “Capital” said force was the midwife to “every” new society. But in 1879 he told “Chicago Tribune” that no great movement had ever been inaugurated “without bloodshed”.

        B. Communists had “the right to express their opinions, as long as they did not resort to violence”. You ignore, for example, “Toward Soviet America” (1932) in which CPUSA Chairman W. Z. Foster wrote that the capitalists could not be “voted out of power” and the communist-led workers could not conquer state power without conscious revolutionary actions and “civil war”, &c. He also said the communists taught them all that “only by violence can a revolution be accomplished”.

        C. “Communist subversion was never a legitimate concern.” You ignore detailed contrary evidence in numerous massive and meticulously documented studies by C. Andrew, D. J. Dallin, A. Kubek, J. Miles, R. Radosh, H. Romerstein, &c &c. You could update and broaden your knoweldge just by reading the 700-page “Spies: The Rise and Fall of the KGB in America” by J. E. Haynes, H. Klehr and A. Vassiliev (Yale UP 2009).

        D. “The United States shared responsibility for the Cold War”. Although there is of course some truth in this analysis of an interactive phenomenon that supplements previously engaged works by historians like S. T. Possony, J. Librach or H. Thomas, there has been an effective counter-revisionist response by authors like J. L. Gaddis.

        Treason in the sense of active prior loyalty to the USSR undoubtedly occurred, the infiltration of western government and other circles having begun well before WW2. To be fair to many of these people, however, they were mostly idealistic rather than mercenary, whether they kept their misguided faith like A. Hiss and K. Philby, or later defected like E. Bentley and my old friend N. Weyl.

        • JohnEngelman

          I have acknowledged that espionage for the Soviet Union was a legitimate concern, and a serious crime.

          Expressing sympathy for the Soviet Union was not. You give the impression that you wish Communist Party members had been prevented from propagating their opinions.

          I believe that the United States greatly overestimated the danger of Communism, and that the War in Vietnam was immoral. This thread is not the place for me to explain why. However, do you believe that people who agree with me about the Cold War and the War in Vietnam should be prevented from propagating our opinions?

          • David Ashton

            Unlike Lenin, Stalin, Mao and Ho, and the communists who supported them and worked by various methods to bring their system to other countries, I have always believed in free speech for all and violence for none, including you.

            I can also see some positive achievements in the USSR as in several “fascist” states. Sympathy for their peoples is quite different from subordination or even affiliation to their regimes.

            We can agree to differ about the international danger of communism, especially since thankfully its worst leaders are dead.

  • SFLBIB

    “…stop demonizing public discussion of IQ differences. Stop calling names. Stop trying to get people fired.”

    Might as well ask the race hustlers to stop hustling race.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    I noticed that Whites and Blacks cheated as well.

  • JohnEngelman

    There is nothing rigid or Marxist about my thinking. I read any political thinker for insight, rather than doctrine.

    There are policies that benefit the rich at the expense of nearly everyone else. One of those policies, which is often complained about by others on AR and me, is allowing a high rate of immigration. This has a depressing effect on wages, an inflationary effect on prices, and raises profits.

  • JohnEngelman

    By legitimate error I may have made one or two factual assertions here, but I doubt it. When have I ever lied?

  • JohnEngelman

    Jews do not need to cheat. All they need to do is to show up for the examination on time.

  • David Ashton

    “Being more intelligent does not stop people being racist – it simply makes them better at covering it up…. Researcher Geoffrey Wodtke [Michigan University] examined the attitudes of more than 20,000 white respondents…. Racism and prejudice were not simply a result of low mental ability [but] the need of dominant groups to ‘legitimise and protect’ their privileged social position…. In modern Ameruca ‘this means that intelligent whites say all the right things about racial equality in principle but they don’t actually do anything….'” (Daily Mail, August 12, p.19).

  • WR_the_realist

    I’m not in favor of mass immigration from any place. I would like to slash overall levels of immigration. But if we’re going to have any non-white immigration at all I’d much rather see it be from Japan, China, or Korea than anyplace else because I see that those people can create and sustain civilization about as well as we can. When Chinese move into your neighborhood nobody worries that crime will skyrocket or that the schools will go to hell.

  • David Ashton

    Max Dimont’s “Jews, God and History” is more than a defensive apologetic; it is a one-side chauvinist paean to his Superior Chosen People; his “The Indestructible Jews” is generally more “objective” (except on the expulsion of Palestinians).

    I am neither an “antisemite” nor a sycophant of Jews; an unpopular tiny minority position perhaps, like my support for both humanitarian eugenics and opposition to the slaughter of sentient unborn humans. But in the interests of balance, I quote briefly from other Jewish writers:

    “Anti-Semitic conclusions were frequently drawn from the prominent participation of Jews in the liquor trade, saloons, usury, prostitution, smuggling, and racketeering…drawn in the West as well as in eastern Europe….Emma Lazarus…suggested that another place [than the USA] should be found for that unappealing ‘mass of semi-Orientals, Kabbalists and Hassidim'” (Albert S. Lindemann, “Esau’s Tears” [1997] p.66,377).

    “It was the Jews, by and large, not the Italians, who created what was later called the Mafia” (Norman Cantor, “The Sacred Chain” [1995] p.389).

    “Crime, after all, was another way out of the ghetto…. And so the Jewish criminal was not regarded, among Jews, as an enemy of society, but more as part of the general American landscape” (Stephen Birmingham, “The Rest of Us” [1987], p.141).

    • JohnEngelman

      Those who look for excuses to hate Jews will be able to find them. The reason is envy of Jewish intelligence and prosperity.

      • David Ashton

        So you keep saying ad infinitum.

        I don’t “hate” or “envy” Jews but just have a more factually comprehensive view of historical forms of “antisemitism” than your simplistic single-cause explanation, and I am indebted for that mainly to Jewish historians from Bernard Lazare to Leon Poliakov and Jerry Muller.

  • stewball

    I don’t know what you mean. Please explain.

  • stewball

    Excuse me! Pogrom in coventry! In the time of king John. Tortured and burnt alive by the Spanish and the Portuguese.God bless the caCatholics in the 15 century! Why. Thrown out of their countries and homes. Why? Not persecuted! Good Lord people. History. Persecutionjis the game of the non-jews. Why

  • WR_the_realist

    You’re right. I didn’t watch 60 minutes. I don’t have a television. So you still watch propaganda? I am well aware that there is corruption, incompetence, and malinvestment in China. The same can be said about Italy.

  • stewball

    @beetlejuice. Jews have the automatic right to return. That. Means than Elvis could have come. However we have so many non-jews who live here. Muslim and Christian Arabs live here although the Muslims want to kill the Christians in every muslim country. Israeli Arabs also have their own party in our parliament. The druse live here and are very loyal citizens who are very proud to serve in the israeli army. Families are very proud that generations have served. You may not know or remember but when the ‘boat people’ who were fleeing Vietnam in fishing boats and being ignored by passing ships who were breaking maritime laws an Israeli boat stopped to pick up the people in one of the boats and brought them to israel. Most of them became citizens and we got our first vietnamese restaurants. Some of the children went on to become doctors here. Many non jews have citizenship here. And I do not believe that the jews In America and Canada are Soooooo strong that they can tell them to keep whites out and whatever rubbish you wrote. Is your idiot president so in love with them he’ll do that? Don’t make me laugh. Another dumb yank believing what other dumn yanks say. How did you finish school if you did that is. Jealousy my heart’s full of jealousy……….

  • stewball

    @beetlejuice. Plenty of non jewish Russians came in with their jewish spouses and it took time for them to be noticed. As it is a nation for jews most of whom lost their countries or felt it was too dangerous living in the countries they were born in have no where else to go except israel. The convert business which is disgusting, why somebody would want toconvert Judaism beats me, is down
    to the bloody religious who are corrupting this country.

  • stewball

    @beetlejuice. I’ll finish tomorrow. You know so much about israel. Are you one of those self hating jews?

  • Beetlejuice

    Then why haven’t they created innovate technology or medical advances?

    If they are so superior why do they create the most polluted, filthy societies on earth?

    Why do Asians fall all over themselves to immigrate to white lands? Why don’t Asians go to superior Asian universities instead of White ones created by (according to you) inferior, stupid Whites?

    What is your purpose bashing, denigrating and insulting Whites? What is it you hope to accomplish?

    • JohnEngelman

      What is your purpose bashing, denigrating and insulting Whites?

      – Beetlejuice

      I am not “bashing, denigrating, and insulting whites.” You and others here do that to Orientals and Jews.

      • Beetlejuice

        I will stop calling you anti-White when you stop being anti-White.
        You promote, advocate for and push your sick, anti-White, pro-Asian agenda here on a White news site. You even invite Asians to “stick around” to insult Whites, here on a White news site.

        The Jews who have destroyed and are destroying White American culture deserve to be denigrated for what they’ve done to White American culture.

        I suggest everyone vote your posts down and flag them.

        • JohnEngelman

          Beetlejuice,

          You illustrate the truth of the following maxim by Eric Hoffer: “The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.”