AR Conference Videos, Part II

AR Staff, American Renaissance, May 13, 2015

Sam Dickson, Konstantins Pupurs, Matt Tait, “The Great Debate,” and “Remembering Sam Francis.”

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  • JohnEngelman

    Sam Francis was skilled at preaching to the choir. If those of his persuasion are to reach those who are not even sitting in the pews they will need to talk about racial differences in intelligence, crime, and illegitimacy, and the likely genetic reasons for those differences. This will be dangerous enough, without assuming that there is an unreached public that shares San Francis’ dislike for Martin Luther King and the changes he brought about.

    If one feels something strongly one is prone to overestimate the number of people who feel the same way. One is equally likely to underestimate the difficult of converting others to one’s persuasion.

    One does not get places in politics by changing people’s minds but by articulating and channeling sentiments that already exist.

    Political messages are only effective when they tell people what they know to be true from their own lives, and what they want to believe.

    • John Q. Taxpayer

      The last two statements are not only intelligent, but so very germane to our “movement’s” growth. Philosophical sky pie may be something some of us enjoy, but we need popularizers to capitalize on current events more than Kierkegaards to tickle our highbrows at this point.

      • TrueNorthFree

        “we need popularizers to capitalize on current events”
        I agree. As a person who recently “woke up” from decades of multi-culti mind programming, I am interested in getting the message out there to people like myself. There has been extremely heavy propaganda and indoctrination in the general population to the extent that many whites censor themselves for fear of being called “racist”. This is of course the intent of the very poisonous ivory tower “white privilege” meme – to make whites loath and hate themselves.
        Regarding capitalizing on current events: yes, I love that idea.
        Rotherham was a huge pivotal waking up moment for me – the fact that thousands of white English schoolgirls were brutally raped by Pakistani Muslims and British officials allowed the rapes to continue because they didn’t want to be called “racist”. I believe that our side can gain a huge amount of traction by capitalizing on Rotherham.

        • nexus974

          If I may ask, what lead to your awakening?

          • TrueNorthFree

            Red Ice radio started it. I had been listening to Red Ice radio for years because they had a lot of interesting interviews of fringe people. Then Red Ice radio started featuring white suprematists (Jared Taylor was one!) and I listened to the interviews because I had a paid subscription but I was shocked by what was being said. I was still very mind programmed at that point. I continued to listen to the Red Ice radio interviews and very slowly the multi-cult mind programming began to weaken and I started to see things differently.
            And then Rotherham happened and at that point I woke up completely.

          • G-Man

            For me it was Ferguson. But it was a true epiphany, quite impressive after a lifetime of making excuses for black underperformance.

          • Rob

            Better late than never.

          • sam sneed

            For me it was south Africa. We handed blacks a modern rich nation and they stomped it into the ground. Then I realized the black situation was hopeless.

          • Race Realist Nationalist

            I would like to attend an American Renaissance conference.
            Unfortunately, i am a right-wing white nationalist who believes that
            thewhite race should stay pure. People like me are not welcome at these
            AmRen conferences. Jared Taylor much prefers the company of race-mixers
            such as John Derbyshire who has 2 mongrel children as a result of his
            yellow fever fetish. Such a shame.

          • JohnEngelman

            I was robbed at gunpoint by two blacks while working at a motel. Since then I have been mugged several times by blacks.

            I have known too many blacks I liked to dislike the entire race. I have had too many experiences with black crime to have illusions about it.

            Until you have been a victim of black crime, the high black crime rate is a statistic you do not feel.

          • Rob

            And you know who you have to blame for bringing these negros to the US. Blame the cousins of muslims.

          • DaveMed

            Oh, please. Black slaves were not forced on the colonies by Jews.

          • Rob

            Read the true history, not the watered down version

          • DaveMed says “Oh, please. Black slaves were not forced on the colonies by Jews.”

            I respond, yes, this is true. However, a more articulated version is both completely logical and negative. Search “tony martin” on ihr dot org. Tony Martin was an African American professor of African-American studies at Wellesley College in Massachusetts, who wrote a book about the Jewish role in the trans-Atlantic slave trade. Apparently, general things were sort of known, but he made it detailed and explicit. After the book, his position, status, and qualifications were horrifically and falsely attacked, and I believe his struggle continued for a major part of the rest of his life.

          • Rob

            Read the true history, not your brainwashed version

          • Race Realist Nationalist

            I would like to attend an American Renaissance conference. Unfortunately, i am a right-wing white nationalist who believes that thewhite race should stay pure. People like me are not welcome at these AmRen conferences. Jared Taylor much prefers the company of race-mixers such as John Derbyshire who has 2 mongrel children as a result of his yellow fever fetish. Such a shame.

            ..

        • Race Realist Nationalist

          I would like to attend an American Renaissance conference. Unfortunately, i am a right-wing white nationalist who believes that thewhite race should stay pure. People like me are not welcome at these AmRen conferences. Jared Taylor much prefers the company of race-mixers such as John Derbyshire who has 2 mongrel children as a result of his yellow fever fetish. Such a shame..

      • Mack0

        “Philosophical sky pie may be something some of us enjoy”

        I think we know to whom you refer. Hahaha

        • JohnDSee

          Get tontos on our side first. Stopping immigration is the first step. How is allowing immigration going to help them get their ‘Homeland’ back? How does the left reconcile that very real fact?

      • Ours is the sort of cause which we are told over and over again that only the knuckledragging untouchable retrograde untermenschen embrace. Therefore, almost everyone who makes the quantum leap from a “good” cause to our “evil” one has to get the energy to make this leap from events and circumstances making them question the narrative that’s been pounded in their heads their whole lives.

      • Race Realist Nationalist

        I would like to attend an American Renaissance conference.
        Unfortunately, i am a right-wing white nationalist who believes that
        thewhite race should stay pure. People like me are not welcome at these
        AmRen conferences. Jared Taylor much prefers the company of race-mixers
        such as John Derbyshire who has 2 mongrel children as a result of his
        yellow fever fetish. Such a shame.

        ..

    • Race Realist Nationalist

      I would like to attend an American Renaissance conference. Unfortunately, i am a right-wing white nationalist who believes that thewhite race should stay pure. People like me are not welcome at these AmRen conferences. Jared Taylor much prefers the company of race-mixers such as John Derbyshire who has 2 mongrel children as a result of his yellow fever fetish. Such a shame.
      .

  • Audit AmRen

    Funny, i always find it strange why certain known and proud race mixers are invited to the American Renaissance conference each year…

  • Cuddles

    To the gentleman criticizing John Derbyshire’s choice of a spouse.

    We need allies and people who can see our side of the story not more enemies.
    This is a race realist site and not a white supremacist organization.

  • Publius Pompilius Quietus

    I’m afraid that Derbyshire and Brimelow are looking at the trees and not the forest.

    • Right Wing White Male

      Our comments are being removed. What do they fear???

      • TrueNorthFree

        They posted a statement today that they will be moderating comments more agressively

        • Right Wing White Male

          Why? And which views will be allowed and which will be forbidden?

          • TrueNorthFree

            I’m not sure. I had one comment removed which I thought was pretty mild but they deleted it.

    • Brady

      On the contrary, the US Constitution was heavily influenced by British political traditions.

      • adplatt126

        False. The US constitution was heavily influence by the ideas of certain British philosophers. British political traditions however? Hardly.

    • Nationalist

      Derbyshire and Brimelow are a bunch British pansies.

  • Right Wing White Male

    It’s very funny to me that AmRen will not invite great patriots and nationalists such as David Duke who have done far more for white Americans than nearly anyone else, yet each year AmRen invites an individual to their conference who wrote an article entitled: “Race Purists – Are they slightly nuts?”

    Please explain the logic behind this.

  • Race Purist

    John Derbyshire wrote an article entitled: “Race Purists – Are they slightly nuts?”.

    Please explain to us Jared Taylor, why these sorts of race-mixing traitors are invited to the AmRen conference each year, and yet true patriots and nationalists such as David Duke are not?

  • Jaggers

    I’m going to call the debate a draw. These gentlemen are too sharp to be totally bested even by each other.

    • JohnEngelman

      Those who have lost hope in the U.S. political system have no reasonable alternative.

      • WR_the_realist

        Count me among those with no reasonable alternative.

        It’s time to consider the unreasonable alternatives.

        • JohnEngelman

          If you engage in a violent revolt against the government most Americans will applaud your execution for treason, like they did Timothy McVeigh’s.

  • agatlin

    I never had the opportunity to meet Sam Francis, but I have seen several videos of his speeches at American Renaissance conferences. I love his raw direct manner of communicating. I wish I would have had the opportunity to know him. I am sure I would have liked him very much.

    • He had his grumpy moments, but even then, it was the likable kind of grumpy.

  • White is Right!

    Why is John Derbyshire invited to the AmRen conferences each year? He wrote an article entitled “Race Purists – Are they slightly nuts?”

    Is this what AmRen believes? That keeping the white race white is “nuts”?

    • Usually Much Calmer

      It is a forum for ideas, not biographies.

      • White is Right!

        Why should race-mixers even be allowed to have a say on issues affecting whites? Have they not committed the ultimate act of race treason by polluting our gene pool? Even a loony liberal leftist can be reformed and brought onto our side, but a race-mixer can never since they have committed a irreversible act. They deserve all the scorn they get.

  • TrueNorthFree

    Thanks for the lesson!
    I like this: “each individual race should have the right to self-govern themselves and to pursue self-determination, free from any oppression, interference or subjugation by their racial competitors.”
    That makes a lot of sense to me.

    • John Q. Taxpayer

      Well handled response to Tucker, TNF. Although he is right about “white supremacy” being an erroneous characterization that we should all refrain from using, I wish he had not “flamed” you over it. But his thoughts are correct in explain Taylor’s positions.

      I don’t know if you’re British, but some websites I (as an American) frequent include Amren, American Thinker, Radix (more European as well as solid American content there), Vdare, The Den, and even The Right Stuff occasionally for a laugh at Social Justice Warriors. I don’t mind reading neoreactionary stuff like Nick Land’s The Dark Enlightenment, although I don’t agree with them on some key things. The Unsilenced Science has some decent older articles on the genetics of violence as relates to the sub-Saharan genome as well. If you’re American, Paul Kersey’s blog at Stuff Black People Don’t Like is a great daily reminder of the black criminality generally ignored by the mainstream media.
      Just keep reading, thinking and speaking with forethought. Mistakes happen for all of us, but I can tell your just the kind of guy we need on our side. I’m glad you had the marbles to jump down the rabbit hole and belatedly welcome you to the dark side.

      • TrueNorthFree

        “Just keep reading, thinking and speaking with forethought. Mistakes
        happen for all of us, but I can tell your just the kind of guy we need
        on our side.”
        That is an awesome and helpful list of websites! Thanks so much! You know, I find the quality of comments on this site excellent – both intelligent and often extremely funny and witty. It gives me hope.

  • Exuberant Auditor

    rate took a dip*

  • Race Realist Nationalist

    I would like to attend an American Renaissance conference. Unfortunately, i am a right-wing white nationalist who believes that the white race should stay pure. People like me are not welcome at these AmRen conferences. Jared Taylor much prefers the company of race-mixers such as John Derbyshire who has 2 mongrel children as a result of his yellow fever fetish. Such a shame.

  • DaveMed

    Sam Dickson was as erudite and fascinating as always.

  • Filipino_Monkey

    I don’t know why Sam Dickson juxtaposes Libertarians and Society. Libertartian thinkers tend to juxtapose Society and the State … which makes sense to me.

    • jaye ellis

      Libertarianism is a cult, one of the worst cults destroying our people.

      We have to start thinking and acting as “we” not “me, me, me”.

      We have to become, yes “Collectivists” – we have to do what is best for the collective interests of “Our people”.

      “WE, OUR, US”

      At this late game we need to throw the race denying Libertarian loons to the Black criminal mobs, or make hostage exchanges with ISIS Muslims who will probably be the only ones who can get know it all, race denying Libertarians to finally

      SHUT UP.

  • Nationalist

    Why is a race mixer such as John Derbyshire invited to the AmRen conferences each year? Call me crazy, but i would think a supposed pro-white conference is the last place a race mixer would be welcome. Very suspicious…

    • John

      Last year AMREN invited a self-identified homosexual Satanist named “Jack Donovan” who was actually a member of the “Church of Satan”. Seriously, go look it up. You can’t make this stuff up. AMREN is descending downwards at a rapid rate. Jared Taylor’s moderate brand of secularized and liberalized “white nationalism” is going no where, all it’s doing is isolating the people you really want to have on your side.

      • Rob

        I agree with you. AMREN is going down the tubes. Wanna bet these comments will be deleted soon.

  • Nationalist

    That’s what happens when you queer society. Didn’t you hear, having children is so square and uncool. Being a sodomite is the hip thing to do these days.

    • LHathaway

      The certainly keep criminalizing further and further heterosexual behavior where they can while doing nothing at all to stigmatize homosexual expression, in fact, they will even march for it.

  • John

    Jared Taylor inviting a self-described “Satanist” to his AMREN conference shows he has no respect for Christians or Christianity. I thought Taylor would have been raised better, since his parents were missionaries. I will not support any group that associates itself with such despicable people as homosexual Satanists like Jack Donovan.

    • Rob

      Well said John.

  • Rob

    Western, it is silly liberal way of thinking that is causing the destruction we see. Include everybody. Once that happens then they will start demanding for their voices to be heard and that goes for the homos and Satanists. So think before you comment. You must think far ahead and not just for now. That is the problem with some people like you, thinking for now and not the future.

  • Rob

    I do not mind John Derbyshire because his wife is not a negress, but if he had married one, then that is a no no. A homosexual and a Satanists is also a big NO NO!!!!

  • WL

    Does that Brimelow has a problem with French Canadians? He said something about them destroying the English community.

    • LeoAtreides

      Sometimes I think that Brimelow only cares about White English-speaking people, unlike Jared Taylor who seems to care about all Europeans worldwide. Actually, only native English speakers can understand Brimelow’s mumble properly.

      • jaye ellis

        Peter Brimelow does have a thick Brit accent and I think he is a much better writer than public speaker.

        Still, Peter Brimelow has had 2 beautiful, very smart American wives – their political ideas have also been great.

        Peter Brimelow has ~ 5 children, they look like him only much, much better looking as they favor their mothers.

        In short, Peter Brimelow has what most all of us want.

        Maybe more of us should mumble, speak with a think Brit accent.

  • Dewalt

    Let me give you some valuable advice from South Africa. Over here we have semi-independentenclaves or “ethnostates” – Orania which i’m sure you know about, as well as another community based in an area called Kleinfontein. Orania has it’s own currency and has been negotiating with the ANC government for full independence. Negotiations are ongoing but we are positive this will eventually happen, just like Lesotho and Swaziland are independent ethnostates for the Sotho and Swazi tribes who want their own kingdoms and don’t want to be part of the “new South Africa”.

    For Orania, it is the main cultural homeland of the Afrikaner-Boer people, even though it may not seem like it by the population numbers, but his is just because it’s not financially feasible for many Afrikaners to quit their job and sell their home to move to Orania, which is still a developing community based mainly around agriculture. However, the ground work has been layed and most Afrikaners apart from a few brainwashed liberals support or are sympathetic to the Orania initiative, whether they live there or not. Just like most Jews in the diaspora support Israel, even if they have never been there.

    Orania as you might know seeks to protect Afrikaners, our culture, religion and language. If you want to become a citizen of Orania, you cannot just walk in and expect to be welcomed. You need to make an official application for residence in Orania, fill-out a form and go for an interview. The council which oversees Orania will then decide if you fit what it means to be an Afrikaner, namely – if you are a white person, a Christian (protestant), and speak Afrikaans fluently, as well as being of Afrikaner-Boer heritage. Even if you aren’t of of Afrikaner-Boer heritage, if you are English for instance, you can still gain citizenship in Orania by meeting all the other criteria. There are no other exceptions though, and for a very good reason: It is fundamental that a community be based around more than just race. Without a more profound sense of solidarity holding the community together, the entire fabric of the community breaks apart, leading to such things as factionalism.

    That’s just one aspect as to why Orania is a Christian-based enclave. The other being that our founding fathers, the Dutch colonists as well as the French Huguenots who arrived later on, were both Christian, and this is how it should always be.

    Kleinfontein is another community we have in South Africa. It is more lenient around language, and there are more English people living there. But it is still based around Afrikaner values and way of life, which means it is also a proud Christian community.

    Now, if you Americans want to achieve similar homelands, which I suggest you do as you become more of a minority, then you will need to deal with these questions. A multicultural white community filled with what you describe as “New-Agers, atheists, and pagans, homosexual and bisexual” will fall apart almost immediately, just like any other multicultural community. More profoundly, do real American patriots and nationalists agree that those types of people represent what it means to be an American and should be preserved and protected by an enclave representing their values? This is a question you Americans
    need to deal with. Personally, I believe any hope of an enclave for
    you Americans will be in the South. From what i’ve heard most of the secessionist talk comes form the South. And from what I know about Southerners, they are similar to Afrikaners and we share many of the same values. So I can definitely see a similar thing happening. Doesn’t matter how black it is down there in the South, a strong enough community can survive in the harshest and most hostile environments. This is why we are not worried about our future in South Africa. The Afrikaner is here to stay. This is our fatherland.

    • Exuberant Auditor

      You guys already have your semi-autonomous state, so you can afford to be disciminatory towards whatever minority demographic you see fit (even if it’s ethnically white Afrikaner).

      However, we don’t have that. We don’t have enough people that openly support a white ethnostate in America. If we start kicking people out right from the start because they’re agnostic or are not attracted to women then we’ll lose a considerable chunk of supporter before we even begin.

      Also, keep in mind that in any white state that might established in the future, there will be people who are more liberal/conservative on some issues than others.

      You say, “A multicultural white community filled with what you describe as “New-Agers, atheists, and pagans, homosexual and bisexual” will fall…” as if non-believers and non-heterosexuals are automatically pro-multiculturalism. While a higher portion of those might be for multiculturalism, those who will join a white ethnostate certainly will not. Otherwise they wouldn’t want to join. Those who join an ethnostate will invariably have pride in their heritage, be it racial, ethnic, religious, and/or cultural, regardless of their beliefs and orientations.

      With that said, I believe an ethnostate should have founding principles that are off-limits: “This country shall remain a (insert race) country, of (religion/civilization) heritage, and speak (language).” But within this frame, there will inevitably be cultural and ideological variations in the population that will inhabit

      • Rob

        Not exactly. You cannot have gays and Satanists that will one day try and destroy the social fabric of the nation. Think about the future before you make such comments. Just like you thought about your circumcision long and hard (no pun intended). However, if we have people that do not share the same values and ideas, then that will be a kink in the chain link which will make the whole chain collapse.

        • Exuberant Auditor

          “You cannot have gays and Satanists that will one day try and destroy the social fabric of the nation.”

          How so?

          • Rob

            Well, In due course all the evils that the Israelis wish for the western world will see to their demise. So slowly they too are getting a dose of their own medicine. We will see how long that lasts for them. I am not worried about non religious people. I am worried about the Satanists and the gays that will want to promote their own agendas and that will cause division. Look at the division the gays are causing now with their so called rights and indoctrination of kids. So see the writing on the wall and do not ignore it. I am guessing you have one of your uncircumcised brothers as a gay man. Now I can see why you would want them.

          • jaye ellis

            OK. Fine. But gays, trannys who are wildly pro non White immigration, promote race mixing, incite Blacks to riot, loot kill people, what do we do about them?

            Give them a free pass because they are “gay” another privileged minority in the Obama Lib Dem Jewish Gay Muslim “rainbow coalition”?

          • Exuberant Auditor

            No, we just treat them like any other people who aren’t on our side and do all the stuff you mentioned.

      • Dewalt

        Like i already said, an enclave like Orania is founded on more profound things than mere race. Orania does not try appeal to “whites”, it is not a political party which values quantity or “membership” over everything else.

        This is a problem i feel you Americans have. You self-identify as “whites”, not as specific ethnic groups. Add to this that many of you have been thoroughly secularized. There is
        nothing stronger holding your communities together. We see the same problems in South Africa with our English-speaking white community. It seems to be a problem around the Anglosphere.

        However, there are a few exceptions. Southerners as i mentioned i see as distinct ethnic group, and i think many of them see themselves that way as well. This is why i believe they are probably the only ones, or at least the first ones in America who will successfully achieve an independent secessionist state in the years to come.

        • Exuberant Auditor

          I didn’t by no means confine such a country’s identity to race. I explicitly mentioned other ‘off-limits’ criteria for an ethnostate.

      • jaye ellis

        I strongly advise different groups of Whites organize, do their activism amongst their own people.

        White Hispanics should organize, do activism with other White Hispanics.

        White Southerners should do the same with White Southerners.

        It’s only a minor change to stop hating on other groups of Whites.

        If White gays like Pym Fortyn really are on our side, good. Their sexuality should be private.

        Unfortunately too many gays, like too many Whiter Jews are on the enemy side.

        Gays and Jews vote > 75 % Lib Obama. In their private lives they can and do positive things and don’t sacrifice themselves or their kind to the worst Black, Muslim criminals, terrorists.

        But, be honest Gay and Jewish domination of the Supreme Court or the mainstream media MSM has not been pro White.

        Is Lindsey Graham pro Southern White? No, he’s for mass immigration, amnesty, replacement of Southerners in the South, plus he’s 110% pro Israel, Christian Zionist Neo Conservative war monger – probably working to start new wars against Iran or worse….

        Russia.

        This flaming queer Lindsey Graham isn’t on our side – how did he get elected and re elected in the once solid Southern state of South Carolina?

        • Exuberant Auditor

          The reasons gays (and non-heterosexuals in general) tend to not be on our side is because they see themselves as “another oppressed minority by the oppressive class”. In other words, many of them have bought into the Leftist narrative of the “straight white man”.

          Most American Jews tend to be liberal too indeed, and that’s mainly for two reasons: 1) The whole post WWII mentality, and even before that war, where many see themselves as a group historically oppressed by Europeans ; 2) Most of the conservative Jews moved to Israel.

          But again, if any non-heterosexual or Jewish person was on our and endorsed our ethnic ideal, then I would personally welcome them.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            The reasons gays (and non-heterosexuals in general) tend to not be on our side is because they see themselves as “another oppressed minority by the oppressive class”.

            Not quite. People don’t seem to grasp that gays are largely leftist because the right is intensely hostile toward gays, considers them “sick,” “mentally ill,” a danger to society and on and on – the BEST deal the right is offering gays right now is a social “don’t ask, don’t tell.” For the most part though, all the right offers gays is constant psychological abuse and a very begrudging acceptance of a few things the left trailblazed.

            That’s really basic math. The left promises homosexuals a future; the right does not. There is zero motivation for homosexuals to be right-wing.

            Homosexuals are going to continue to exist though, and after a few decades of being tentatively allowed to be “out,” are not going to take any sort of nonsense deal from the right like, “Okay, we’ll take you on if you just go back in the closet and once again live in fear of anyone finding out.” Yeah, sweet deal, right?

            I would rather see the right be willing to accept gays on the condition of embracing more traditional values (like stable, monogamous relationships). Being able to have a larger sense of identity (besides the rebel identity of being a “sexual deviant”) and belonging to your nation and people is something the right can offer that the left does NOT.

            2) Most of the conservative Jews moved to Israel.

            Really? I have not heard this before, but I am ignorant on the topic.

          • the right is intensely hostile toward gays

            They’re not paranoid if we really are out to get them.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            People don’t seem to grasp that gays are largely leftist because the right is intensely hostile toward gays, considers them “sick,” “mentally ill,” a danger to society and on and on…

            That’s certainly part of it, yes. And unfortunately, that tends to be even more true of the white nationalist movements.

            As for the Jews, those who moved to Israel did so because they were very attached to ‘the Promised Land’, to their ancestral soil, and had a stronger ethnic bond. Those types tend to be more conservative than those who didn’t bother to move who were mainly secular and liberal.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            I do think that sometimes the right has a point when they say, for instance, that homosexuals want gay marriage because they just want a slice of pie being denied them…not out of deep desire to marry. I mean, that’s definitely not true of ALL gays (some gay people really do have deep relationships that last for years, and really do want to marry properly), but it’s probably true that a MAJORITY of gays will not marry. You cannot say the same thing of heterosexuals.

            I wonder now if the world isn’t moving to be more “accepting” of homosexuality, but without establishing any real social contract. Legal marriage benefits EXIST because married couples create families and are the backbone of a functioning society. Where do queers fit in?

            It’s not that I don’t think gay people should be able to marry the people they love. I would prefer that. I am concerned, though, that the worst aspects of the gay community (promiscuity, drug abuse, the spread of disease) are not being at all addressed. It’s my personal belief for the moment that those things are often as bad as they are because homosexuality is a “deviant,” marginalized identity. Not historically having a hope of fitting into a “normal” society and creating “normal” relationships, gays have created slummy, hedonistic underground subcultures.

            Gays are getting marriage more and more now…but where is the expectation that they are expected to repay the acceptance with, say, a greater community focus on sober living and stable monogamy? I don’t see it.

            Simply opening arms for the slummy subculture to be allowed to penetrate wider culture doesn’t seem like a good idea. The right is perfectly correct about that, although their fears of impurity and contamination might be a little too focused on the wrong things. (Like anal sex…)

            I have zero ideas for solutions. I know if I expressed these concerns to some of my friends, I would catch it for how “homophobic” or “heterosexist” this is. There is no getting some people to grasp how important “heterosexism” has been to the building of Western society.

            But I STILL don’t think it’s “wrong” or “sick” to be gay.

            As for the Jews, those who moved to Israel did so because they were very attached to ‘the Promised Land’, to their ancestral soil, and had a stronger ethnic bond. Those types tend to be more conservative than those who didn’t bother to move who were mainly secular and liberal.

            That makes every bit of sense. Thanks.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            I don’t think much would change if gay were allowed to marry. In terms of culture, I mean. They’re already fairly present in the mainstream culture, from music to fashion to TV shows, the ‘gay touch’ has been visible everywhere in the last couple of decades. So they’re already in.

            The only thing marriage for them would do is, perhaps, as you said, getting them to be in more stable, monogamous relations.

          • jaye ellis

            BlueSonicStreak writes;

            “I wonder now if the world isn’t moving to be more “accepting” of homosexuality,”

            I replied.

            There you go again – spouting ridiculous nonsense about THE WORLD.

            WE ARE NOT THE WORLD

            Our freedoms, our standard of living are not universal. If you go around skipping and waving rainbow gay flags in front of Algerian Muslims in some no go Muslim slum in France – expect to be severely beaten, which frankly might be the only way to get you out of this WE ARE THE WORLD cult.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            If you don’t see the world-wide push, I cannot help you.

          • jaye ellis

            “Unfortunately for them, the world is steadily moving in the other direction, even while moving rightward on some other issues”

            I respond: I am throwing the penalty flag at you for mouthing insane nonsense about “The World moving in some direction”.

            This conveys the lie that all of the people in the entire world are virtually the same, moving in our direction. That’s just flat out not true.

            How are Muslim people in Iraq, Syria, Saudi Arabia or Muslim slums of France and England, how are they behaving? how are they moving – THEY’RE MOVING IN TO OUR COMMUNITIES AND THEY MOST DEFINITELY ARE NOT PRO WESTERN GAY!

            Come on man, get out of this John Lenon and Yoko Ono “Imagine” world – it never existed and never will exist.

            If you can’t shake this “WE ARE THE WORLD” let’s unite with all of Black Africa like that cursed “FEED THE CHILDREN” music video from the 1980s, then please do our part of the shrinking White Western world a favor and go submit yourself to human sacrifice the same as Amy Biehl and Rachiel Corrie did.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            One can’t speak for every single person, but there are obvious trends. And when it comes to homosexuality, the trend has been to accept homos more and more in the Western world, from the late 20th century to this day.

            In Catholic Ireland, homosexuality was decriminalized in 1993. Today, three quarters of the population are expected to vote for same-sex marriage. That’s clear move towards acceptance of homosexuality. And it’s been the case throughout the entirety of the industrialized world + Latin America.

            That last paragraph of yours is just strawmanning. I have no desire “to unite with Africa” or anything of that sort. I do have a desire to kick the fanatic Arab homophobes from Europe though.

          • jaye ellis

            EA writes:

            ” I have no desire “to unite with Africa” or anything of that sort.”

            I respond:

            OK, but in case you haven’t been following current events on both sides of the Mediterean Sea, millions of Black Africans want desperately to unite with the White European/Western world and that includes your world.

            Unless you say and act strongly to say NO – we in what little remains of the White West will not unite with tens of millions of diseased, hostile Black African men (invasions, rapes are always done by young men) they will most definitely come to unite with us, take our stuff including your life.

            All of the Liberal Left propaganda about personal freedom, non discrimination, uniting all peoples in the world, including Gays, Blacks, Muslims – that’s not going to help your cowardly White arse when you are jammed on their life/death boats.

            Ever read Jean Respail’s Camp of the Saints?

            That’s what we and you are now facing and it doesn’t look or smell very nice.

            Wake up man!

          • Exuberant Auditor

            Yes, I’m aware that boatloads of Africans are trying to reach Europe. I’m also aware of the demographic decline of whites in America (and basically everywhere else except Utah). Aside from having seven children, voting for anti-immigration candidates, and talking about the issue, I don’t see what else I can do.

          • jaye ellis

            Those are good things to do.

            Other things to do is to finesse racial, cultural issues and act locally.

            Adopt a single White mother, get liberals to switch from trying to save all of Haiti, Africa and switch to local White single moms.

            Support local White college sports – Basketball and Football are Black criminal sports now, most everything else is White – go to volleyball and tennis, college hockey events. Get to know the coach, promote these White college athletes as local starts.

          • jaye ellis

            “That’s really basic math. The left promises homosexuals a future; the right does not. There is zero motivation for homosexuals to be right-wing.”

            Agreed. That’s why we need pro White Liberal/Left leaders, institutions like they have in Europe.

            We/you should stress White Western freedoms as opposed to say – 3rd world Islam, 3rd world Black Africa which is overwhelmingly anti gay – ISIS throws gay people off of roofs in Iraq.

          • jaye ellis

            Ok

            But we made the fatal mistake in the 1980 s
            Of accepting Neo conservative Jews as reformed sinners

            We let them in they took over purged most all of our guys

            Now Conservative Inc is for open borders mass immigration to USA and endless Us wars for Israel

        • how did he get elected and re elected in the once solid Southern state of South Carolina?

          Because the low country has a lot of military bases, navy bases and is a big international shipping port. That’s right in Lindsey Graham’s wheelhouse.

          But Lindsey Graham is so over the top and outrageous that even Ben Domenech is calling him a kook, and that’s saying a lot. The problem with Graham and his joke of a Presidential campaign isn’t that he’s going to win the nomination, it’s that his very presence on stage is going to be the “ridiculous” that makes the “sublime” of a Jeb Bush seem better. I’m stopping short of making the direct accusation that Bush is having Graham run for that reason, but it would not surprise me.

    • jaye ellis

      I suggest making Orania the spiritual, cultural center for Afrikanners in South Africa, in the World.

      Afrikanners remaining alive anywhere in the world should tune in to Orania radio, TV – church services.

      It can be like Salt Lake City for LDS Mormons.

  • Dewalt

    “we shouldn’t kick out Satanists or homosexuals”

    My American friend, that is an extremely insane thing to say. Read what i have written to your other comment.

    • Rob

      I am guessing western wind is a Satanist or gay.

  • Rob

    Maybe a self delusional straight white liberal would.

  • adplatt126

    Don’t backtrack. Ever. The Marxists only understand aggression, confidence and the like. You’ll gain nothing by qualifying your words. They’re not honest debaters generally speaking. If they smell blood, like Ferguson protesters, they’ll never let up. Say “racist”, “supremacist”, whatever confidently. Whites are demonstratively better than other groups by most metrics historically and even presently if we’re considering matters like wealth and quality of life in white nations relative to others. In terms of contributions and accomplishments they can’t be touched. Don’t be afraid to be a supremacist. “Realist”, “supremacist”, “racist” what’s the difference? Believe me, to them, it doesn’t matter. They’re going to vilify you either way. So, just own it.

  • sam sneed

    The repulsion of invaders and the arrests of crooks starts now

  • TrueNorthFree

    “Like it or not, our people are conservative and liberal; Christians,
    New-Agers, atheists, and pagans; heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual. This doesn’t mean that we need to become a soft movement with the feel of some hippie commune, but it does mean that the importance of race trumps all other considerations.”

    I like this comment. I have progressive views on GLBT – I support them completely. I also support religious beliefs, including atheism (except for jihadi Islam, which is a danger to our Western civilizations due to the virulence of Islam and its overwhelming numbers.

    • sam sneed

      This happens because of a misunderstanding of WWII. You have to overwrite that false narrative and to do that you have at accept Hitlers thesis. You have to know that they locked up Hess with a peace letter from hitler for 50 years in solitary and you have to know that the 1 million jews didn’t have to die were it not for allied bombing or the refusal of jewish leadership to accept a non palestinian relocation. You have to realize how easter germany was raped by the russians 200 men on one woman until she died over and over, and you have to know how the western forces starved captured german pOWs to death. If you know all that, the spell is broken and the mind sickness that says flood the nation with immigrants so they will be safe from hitlers can be defeated. When you remind jews that the holocaust is the 20 million ukrainians that they starved to death, their spell breaks

      • TrueNorthFree

        I have to say, I am new at this “race realism” stuff. I am recently awakened. That means I am still very leery of Hitler. I am not where you are in terms of the WWII events but my mind is open to learn more.
        I DO like your statement about reminding people that there have been MANY holocausts. One that comes to mind is the Armenian Christians in Turkey- millions were slaughtered and to this day, apparently nobody gives a damn.
        It seems to me that for folks like myself, just waking up, talking about the MANY holocausts is a very reasonable way to help them shake off their heavy multi-cult mind programming.

        • jaye ellis

          I recommend not being obsessed one way or the other with alleged World War II deaths of Jews or other people.

          People did in wars, the Japanese vs Chinese side of World War II was even more brutal, certainly more brutal than anything in the Western area of World War II.

          French and Germans quickly made up after World War II. Slavs and Germans have mostly made up now. There is no reason for American Whites to be obsessing now about World War II and using it as a reason to commit racial, national suicide in North America now.

          I focus on opposing, reversing bad Muslim immigration. Most all honest Whites oppose the worst of Islam. Stress bad treatment of women, gays, animals. Only the worst Leftist liars like Doonsbury cartoonist Garry Trudeau can still insist that extremist Islamists are the underdog, victims of White racism.

    • BlueSonicStreak

      I have progressive views on GLBT – I support them completely.

      I like you more all the time, TrueNorth.

      We are several feet into hostile territory on that one, though…and AmRen is actually pretty tolerant of gay issues for a nationalist site. I recently came across a rumour that the editor of Counter-Currents, Greg Johnson, is homosexual. I tried to track that one down, as I was curious to know if there is actually an out homosexual who is prominent in the movement.

      Answer (so far as I can determine) is: nope, he’s never copped to it. People are convinced he is anyway, for various reasons (particularly including that he’s defended homosexuality). On other issues, I believe he falls in line with much of White Nationalism; but the possible homosexuality alone seems to be reason enough for many people to want to run him out of town on a rail.

      I find it disturbing. There are some jackbooted thugs at heart in our movement, and they would consider us useless pansies. I’m not sure I’m seeing reconciliation there, even if we are all on the same page racially.

      I can kind of understand why there is so much objection to homosexuality in WN, though. People in WN tend very much to be more interested in tradition, and for some good reasons. WNs are also concerned with fertility.

      I just don’t personally think those issues are “deal breakers.”

      I am less understanding of why so many people in this movement are so against non-Christian whites. WNs mention over and over again historic white accomplishment, while conveniently “forgetting” how many of our great men have been non-Christians.

      Anyway, I also agreed for a long time with Canada’s socialized medicine. To some degree, I still do – but now I understand MUCH better why American conservatives object to it. It has worked decently well in Canada for a long time, and socialized medicine works VERY well in some European countries.

      That is, it works in predominantly white countries. It would NOT work well in America, where the dark underclass is already large enough to put massive strain on the system.

      People who are primarily “producers” must GREATLY outnumber people who are primarily “consumers” for socialized medicine to be a good system.

      • how about this

        “I was curious to know if there is actually an out homosexual who is prominent in the movement.”

        Jack Donovan is one.

        • BlueSonicStreak

          Does he qualify as a white nationalist, though? I was under the impression he doesn’t entirely identify as one, although he is sympathetic.

          • how about this

            He says he sympathizes “with many of their general aims” and he speaks in support of “White tribalism.” That is good enough for me; isn’t it for you? I thought you were one of the ones arguing for being more inclusive and less suspicious towards anyone who wants to support us.

          • BlueSonicStreak

            No, you’re correct on how I feel about it. I just would not want to identify someone as a white nationalist if they would object to the label for some reason.

      • Exuberant Auditor

        You, myself, TrueNorthFree, a couple of others seem to be some of the few liberals on this site. Liberal on most issues, at least.

        As TrueNorthFree, I’m liberal on most issues (except on Law and Order and white fertility), but I don’t like the idea of seeing my country turn black or brown for so many reasons.

        Some positions held by other nationalists can indeed be disheartening, but what are you gonna do!

        • BlueSonicStreak

          I suppose I am still fairly “liberal” on several political issues; but I would have a hard time considering myself still “liberal” after having gotten away from all their psychological warfare with respect to race. I don’t like liberal tactics anymore – not on any issue.

          It all feels odd. I used to be pretty close to a lot of the most sexually radical people on the left, although I never really was one of them. (I mean, queer issues as well as BDSM and knowing several people in various parts of the sex industry…mostly porn and escorting, with one pro domme.)

          But I’ve never personally liked casual sex at all, I toyed briefly with polyamory but ended up thinking monogamy was preferable AND probably better for society, and just…generally felt out of step with them on sexual issues, ALL the time. It got to the point where I felt so out of place (and, I’ll admit, slightly ashamed) that I outright lied about how “sexually liberated” I was because I did not want my more conservative(?) personal outlook on sexual issues to be “outed.”

          Now I’m out of step here. Seems to be my thing.

          • Exuberant Auditor

            I know what you mean by ‘liberal tactics’, although those tend to be more common in the more radical, Far Leftist circles than within your average liberal.

            As for casual sex, it’s far from being a pre-requisite on being liberal on sexuality and sexual orientations. I’m not a conservative and much less a traditionalist on that question, and yet I’m faithfully married with children (well, one child). However, unlike your typical social conservative, I don’t care much about polyamorous people or those who do not ascribe to the traditional exclusive and matrimonial male-female relationship. I did have some casual sex, as well as other stuff, before I married, but never felt particularly ashamed by that.

  • TrueNorthFree

    “in a healthy culture of the future society we must create, racial loyalty would trump all other loyalties.”
    yes, that sounds just about right.

  • BlueSonicStreak

    Unfortunately, you are in a hopeless position here. If you defend gays an iota on this site, you will be accused of being gay. You can assert the contrary if you are not; but people will believe what they want to believe.

    Perhaps it is a reaction to people considering themselves a continually attacked minority; or perhaps it is just a characteristic of the right…I’m still too newly ex-liberal to have figured that out. But people here are hyper-vigilant about being “infiltrated” by the “enemy.”

    • jaye ellis

      Just keep sexuality private.

      Same as making Islam something private.

      I caught some Islamists publicly showing their butt to me and other 21 century Westerners as they faced their moon terrorist God in the East. I told them in no uncertain terms that we don’t do this in our countries and this is our country.

      It’s the same with gay people doing public gay sex. No.

      • BlueSonicStreak

        I have yet to see “public” gay sex. I’m aware it exists (as does “public” heterosexual sex), but I haven’t seen any. I also object – quite strongly – to people having sex in public.

        I’m thinking that’s not actually what you meant, though.

        • jaye ellis

          Victorian England had gay and bi people. Many talented artists like Oscar Wilde.

          But homosexuality was kept in the closet

          Oscar Wilde had a woman wife and I think children

        • jaye ellis

          You are correct. That is not what I mean.

          I mean, we should strive for a society like we once had in Victorian England, 1950s Eisenhower America – where sexuality, especially homosexual sexuality is a private matter – not to be displayed in public, around children etc.

          Gay shouldn’t kiss or make out in public. People should not be defined by their sexuality i.e.:

          “That guy is Gay, he votes gay, is part of the anti straight White male mob that includes Black criminals, Muslim immigrants, Jewish cultural marxists etc”

  • jaye ellis

    British Nationalist Matt Tait’s speech was my favorite, but also the most depressing. Here we have a classic example of what English, British young men should be, once were. All public opinion polls show that English/most British people support British Nationalist positions, yet what few electoral breakthroughs are achieved, get thrown away.

    All Western European countries, Scandinavian countries have modestly successful nationalist, immigration restrictionist, anti Islam political parties – not England/UK.

    There does indeed appear to be a curse on England/UK and this curse may be caused by England/UK’s terrible anti White, anti European actions in World War I, World War II.

    The spirits of innocent German civilians slaughtered in Hamburg and Dresden may be enacting some revenge.

    I recommend British Nationalists make a secret pilgrimage to the statue of Bomber Harris or else go to Dresden and make amends. Admit the truth that your grandparents generation did terrible mass murder against innocent German civilians. Maybe this will turn throngs around and the curse will be lifted.

  • Lion’s Mane

    “Can the U.S. Political System Solve the Race Problem?”

    Why it cannot: Please see on YouTube:

    Culture in Decline | Episode #1 “What Democracy?” by Peter Joseph