G.O.P. Congressman in South Carolina Takes a Risk With a Foray into Immigration

Julia Preston, New York Times, February 22, 2014

After the sterling conservative voting record he has established during three years in Washington, Representative Mick Mulvaney, a Republican, can take a few political risks in his South Carolina district, one of the most conservative in this reliably Republican state. This week he did just that.

Mr. Mulvaney convened a town-hall meeting in this country town on the troublesome issue of immigration, with an audience of Latinos. He held forth for an hour, parsing policy and answering questions about the prospects for immigration legislation in the House—entirely in Spanish.

Even more surprising to the spellbound crowd at the First Baptist Church, Mr. Mulvaney said he and other conservative House Republicans were open to some kind of legal status, although not a path to citizenship, for many immigrants living in the country illegally.

But he also said it would not happen this year: Republicans just do not trust President Obama to carry out any law they might enact.

“We are afraid that if we reach an agreement,” the congressman said, making the most of the Spanish skills he acquired years ago in college, “he will take the parts he likes and he won’t take the parts that he doesn’t like.”

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But Mr. Mulvaney first rode to office on the Tea Party wave in 2010, ousting a long-serving Democrat, and he knows his voters. If he moves too far too fast, he could awaken their ire.

“If Mick Mulvaney would come out tomorrow to do immigration reform, somebody from the Tea Party would challenge him,” said Karen Martin, a founder of the Tea Party group in Spartanburg, on the edge of Mr. Mulvaney’s district.

Ms. Martin said she campaigned for Mr. Mulvaney during his first race and keeps a vigilant eye on his work in Washington. She said she and many other South Carolina voters feared an influx of newly legalized immigrants into the state’s lagging labor market.

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The mixed mood in South Carolina was reflected in recent start-and-stop politics on Capitol Hill. Last month, House Republican leaders presented their principles for reform, with a series of measures to toughen enforcement and border security and then to allow illegal immigrants to “get right with the law.” While some Republicans flatly rejected legalization, many others said the principles might be right but the timing was wrong. Within days, Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio said it was unlikely the House would move on immigration this year.

Mr. Mulvaney, a former state senator who had not focused particularly on immigration until he won federal office, is picking a careful course through that minefield. The principles were “an important first step,” he said in an interview (in English).

“I am more than willing to have a discussion about allowing at least part of the 11 million people here illegally to have some type of status,” he said. “I’m just disappointed that more people in my party don’t want to do that.”

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But pressure for immigration reform is increasing from several sides. The town of Gaffney is well known to drivers on Route 85, the main thoroughfare through the region, because of a giant peach that towers over the highway—an unsubtle reminder that Georgia is not the only state growing that fruit.

Growers, farmers, manufacturers and hotelkeepers are becoming more outspoken with Mr. Mulvaney about their urgent need for legal immigrant workers for low-wage jobs.

Evangelical Christian clergy members have also called for action, including the Hispanic pastors who brought busloads of parishioners to the town hall. Mr. Mulvaney was impressed, saying the meeting was among the most well-attended of some 40 he has held.

“We are not insignificant,” said Victor Prieto, a Southern Baptist minister and university professor, noting the surge in Hispanic population in the area in the last decade.

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Ms. Martin, the Tea Party organizer, said she was certain Mr. Mulvaney would not risk provoking her organization’s wrath by pushing an overhaul anytime soon.

“Mick Mulvaney is just not going to come out for immigration reform,” she said matter-of-factly. “He is not going to push for something people in his district see as a threat.”

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  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    After the sterling conservative voting record he has established during three years in Washington, Representative Mick Mulvaney, a Republican, can take a few political risks in his South Carolina district, one of the most conservative in this reliably Republican state

    And there’s the rub. Voters in that district and many others are going to have to prove by their voting habits and political actions that amnesty and open borders is a third rail. Otherwise, cretins like Mulvaney will vote for amnesty and open borders, get money from the Chamber Pot of Commerce, yet keep winning re-election because their conservative voters in their conservative districts and states are more worried about less important conservative boilerplate issues.

    “If Mick Mulvaney would come out tomorrow to do immigration reform, somebody from the Tea Party would challenge him,” said Karen Martin, a founder of the Tea Party group in Spartanburg, on the edge of Mr. Mulvaney’s district.

    What he’s doing now is bad enough such that it should generate a challenge.

    But he also said it would not happen this year: Republicans just do not trust President Obama to carry out any law they might enact.

    Enforcement can happen any time the President wants it to happen. This line about “Republicans don’t trust Obama to enforce the enforcement provisions” is a manufactured line of PR double talk and duck speak to dog whistle being opposed to amnesty to people opposed to it but at the same time dog whistling support of amnesty to the cabal of Republican-oriented donors that want it.

    • Anon

      The government was more stable during our lifetimes than its ever been in its history. So, most of us have this sense, that no matter how bad the decisions they make, it will just go on and on and that it doesn’t really matter except that our government is just not doing what we want.
      That is a distortion. Several times in our country’s history, we have come very close to a collapse. And each time, after incredibly poor decisions, bad behavior and general a-holism, our government has literally BEGGED its white population to save them and not abandon them for something better.
      The last time wasn’t all that long ago….Carter. People and corporations simply stopped paying taxes. Reagan came by and did only just enough to restore people’s faith in our way of life and get people supporting our government again. Of course, they changed the way things get paid for so that the government gets to spend first, tax later. But that only makes a collapse more likely if people (WHITE people) stop doing anything less than working as hard as they can to make our way of life feasible.
      Where does it end? Obama is showing us. As non-whites get more and more greedy and more and more nasty and entitled, whites see less and less point to doing anything more than just enough to get by.
      There will come a time when our government can’t wage its disgusting wars of aggression for Israel anymore because it can’t find competent whites willing to die for the cause. There will come a time when various skills, knowledge bases, specialities, and anything that takes above a room temperature IQ won’t be available outside closed small groups that work together and won’t work in exchange for money (at least US dollars) because they are worthless.
      There will come a time when our government and any non-white or anti-white institution is simply irrelevant. Why? Because all power, all productivity, achievement and everything of modern civilization is white and nothing non-white is these things. Why should we be a part of anything that devalues us? And without us, what power does anyone in the world have?
      None.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        A combination of Irish Democracy and Going Galt.

    • Erasmus

      Well said.

      It matters not a whit how “conservative” anyone is on any other issue if he’s unwilling to protect the US’s territorial sovereignty and her citizenry. If Mulvaney wants to reward those people who’ve broken into our country (and letting tens of millions of cheap workers stay is rewarding them), I couldn’t care less what his position is on marginal tax rates or supporting a strong military. The moment any public official decides to reward the invading horde is the moment I stop listening.

  • Manaphy

    Not to worry dear Conservatives. Just head on over to Fox and they’ll make it all better for you with one of their BS polls about how 110% of Americans favor Mexicanization, and how it is important to get A republican majority in the senate in 2014.

    For the love of God why do you Americans keep electing these traitors? DO you honesty think it makes a difference who the public votes for? Armed White Revolution is the only way to take back the country.

    • http://www.biblebelievers.org.au/holohoax.htm Augur Mayson

      And it better come soon because white America has already been dealt a death blow in that our impending minority status cannot be reversed at this point unless we start removing minorities. The floodgates have already been opened by kosher politicians and these Mexicans breed 2.9x as fast as American whites do.

      It is no longer sufficient to simply close the door. We must reverse the demographic inevitability that Z.O.G. has been working so hard to make reality.

      There are only three ways to impact population demographics:
      1. Immigration.
      2. Birth Rates
      3. Death Rates.

      We need to consider none of these options off the table until our own future and a future for our children has been secured.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Totally agree.

    • Homo_Occidentalis

      It’s just another betrayal of the sacrifices Anglo settlers made to tame this continent. The martyrs of the Alamo are rolling in their graves.

    • So CAL Snowman

      What exactly do you mean “you Americans?”

      The people that post on this site and other White Nationalist sites are not really “Americans” in any sense of the word. We are completely detached and separate from the system of thought control that pervades most of the Former United States of America (FUSA). Many politicians are elected by heavily gerrymandered districts on the backs of corporate and private donors. The “American” people do not really elect politicians, we elect corporate and private “Yes men.” Very few grass roots, non corporate backed individuals ever make it to congress. Furthermore, our buddies that own the media and the banks have implemented this little entity known as the NSA. Now our buddies have the “goods” on every politician, and if a certain politician gets out of line, our buddies use the skeletons in their closet (Courtesy of the NSA) to destroy them in the media.

      • Alexandra1973

        That’s why you want a candidate that has fewer secrets than a goldfish. They’re not blackmailable.

    • dd121

      If whites won’t vote for their own interests why do you think they’d fight for their interests?

      • Epiminondas

        They first need know what those interests are. Sadly, churches aren’t supplying that information and the media is lying to them.

      • newscomments70

        Here is what interests most of the white middle class: watching NBA basketball, NFL, beer, sports bars, Dave and Busters, trips to Disney World, Las Vegas. Very few want to fight in any revolution.

    • Germanicus

      I wish it weren’t so. But there is something correct in the analysis. With no opportunity for the will of the people to be honored…

    • MBlanc46

      Which ever pol we vote for, we get pretty much the same thing. Immigrants, immigrants, immigrants. Spend, spend, spend. Negroes, negroes, negroes. It will take more than elections to change things in this country.

    • MerlinV

      Another mick sellout! Where’s your crypto talk now? Yeah, there may very well may be armed conflicts in the future. Many of us see more than one set of enemies. I’d put you in one of those groups. Just so you know.

  • refocus

    During the 1992 Presidential campaign Ross Perot observed that
    “a general lack of accountability among elected officials and those in the bureaucracy was the one specific reason that the people in America suffered”.

    Mr. Perot then suggested that the best and perhaps only way
    to make government officials accountable was to include the citizens in the decision making process – every hour, every day.
    He went on to note that this can easily be done with computers
    and called the proposed mechanism
    THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL.

    With this computer program every interested citizen can indicate
    whether or not they agree or disagree with every law, policy and program on the books or that was being advanced. It can be used at every level of government and in every jurisdiction.

    To prevent chaos the basic law, our Constitution and Bill of Rights would be exempt from review.

    Mr. Perot speculated that the Founding Fathers would probably have done the same had the technology been available. He referred to it as the Fourth Branch of government; Executive, Judicial, Legislative and Electronic Townhall.

    The idea is to perfect every section of the various laws and policies that do effect each and every one of us every single day.

    The program would even allow a citizen to go back and change his vote as he matured.

    The gray area…
    As the data is collected, a reasonable person would expect that
    the responsible government officials would modify the laws, policies, and programs and make them congruent with the will of the people they are supposed to be representing.

    With tens of millions of laws and tens of thousands of taxes there is plenty of work to be done.

    According to Mr. Perot, this, the harnessed experience and the combined intelligence of hundreds of thousands or even millions of citizens focused like a laser light on the real issues, will, as surely as night follows the day, perfect every law in our country and eventually it will right every wrong.

    THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL is the only way to do it.

    Mr. Perot publicly announced his intention to give the fourth branch of government to the people in America if he was elected President.

    But this attempt to empower our humanity
    was so far removed from the business-as-usual-two-party-system
    that the talking heads and trolls yelled out that Mr. Perot was trying to destroy our Constitution, our government and our way of life.

    The ELECTONIC TOWNHALL was denounced as unworkable.
    How would the poor participate?
    How would fraud be prevented?
    What about those who do not know how to use a computer?

    In a final act of desperation the control freaks claimed that
    letting the average citizen to pass judgment on the individual pieces of public law would lead to anarchy.

    But we all know the truth: only the concerned will bother to participate.

    The media was so intensely negative towards the ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL that Mr. Perot was forced to stop talking about it.

    Its now been twenty two years since the proposal.

    No other person of national reputation or significant influence has picked up the idea. BUT the big two political parties regularly stage “townhall meetings” where they talk of “reform” and “returning power to the people” and try to link themselves to the empowering part of the idea without adding to its manifestation.

    And still we suffer in the hopeless loop of: “candidates with a sense of morality and respect for the Constitution who understand true brotherhood, justice and democracy and who will do the right thing for us each and every time, trust me”.

    While we cannot make light of sincere individuals who get into public office we must acknowledge the fact that regardless of who has been elected to public office the problems in our government get more complicated and our people continue to suffer.

    Could we possibly admit that our national situation, now being made global, is far too complicated for the President and the 535 elected members of the legislature to manage in our best interests?

    You, the person reading this know some of the things we need.
    Your friends, our fellow countrymen have their solutions too.

    But the only way to organize the workable ideas is to create
    a device that will enable all of us to simultaneously contribute
    our best thinking and most benevolent experience towards solving our most complicated problems.

    That device is THE ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL and the place to begin is with our existing laws.

    In 1996 Rush Limbaugh mentioned the demonstration site by accident. We got 15 thousand hits in 24 hours and 4 thousand people answered the home page survey question: (after some preamble)

    *How long should a legally arrived elderly immigrant have to wait before they start collecting social security?*

    In less than two weeks the US Congress changed the criteria from 6 months to two years.

    NOW
    As living witnesses to the political power this device holds for civilized humanity, we urge you to participate fully in the prototype ELECTRONIC TOWNHALL and forward the news of its existence to all those you know to be interested in the future well being of the people of our country.

  • thomas edward

    Yeah, you should see them squirm when I bring this topic up at the local board of education meetings. There’s a meeting Thursday night. I’ll bring it up again.

    • DaveMed

      That’s how causes gain steam. Locally.

      Godspeed.

  • Pro_Whitey

    What a complete dumba**! There is no urgent need for unskilled labor. If we cut the welfare state, the former layabouts would be desperate to get some work. That would at least be consistent with the so-called Tea Party. If he makes the illegals legal, they go on the welfare and another batch of illegals gets brought in because they are cheap and submissive, due to their illegal status. And he thinks he can walk between the raindrops by legalizing the illegals but not granting them citizenship. Such a result won’t last at all, and then the GOP loses because of a new batch of voters who will break 80-90% Democrat/leftist.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    Tough to tell who I have more contempt for these days — the devious Democrats who are planning the white American demise or the spineless Republicans who do nothing about it and now go along with it?

    • http://www.presstitutes.org/ ms_anthro

      The Republicans are also planning the White American demise. Two arms, one monster.

      • Erasmus

        I can’t stand the democrats, but most of them are betraying the country out of misguided principle. The GOP traitors are doing it for money.

        • http://www.presstitutes.org/ ms_anthro

          They’re all doing it for money, come on. The GOP has the most millionaires. The Dems have the most billionaires. They’re all in bed and business together. I mean, are their policies really even distinguishable anymore? Think about it.

  • http://saboteur365.wordpress.com/ bigone4u

    Old Mick Mulvaney (sounds Irish to me) needs to get a swift kick of reality delivered to his sorry butt. He gave the Mexicans a certain respectability just by speaking to them. The only message acceptable to me delivered to illegals is “Leave now or face immediate deportation.”

  • NoMosqueHere

    Any republican who favors amnesty or “path to citizenship” or whatever euphemism they use for legalization of illegal invaders must be voted out of office. Preferably, a decent republican will challenge this traitor in a primary.

    • jeffaral

      Decent Republicans are non-existent.

      • NoMosqueHere

        what about congressman steve king?

  • redfeathers

    Trey Gowdy is another SC republican who’s a fraud on immigration.

  • Extropico

    South Carolina has some odd politicians. Perhaps it has to do with 1) lots of blacks, 2) a big military presence and 3) agriculture business owners seeking crony capitalism. Those three voting blocks are the people putting the Lindsey Graham types in office.

    • jeffaral

      Please don’t forget the 4) christian churches!

      • Extropico

        Right you are. We could include Leftists from all religious organisations.

    • SouthronKittie

      And they’ve got that woman Indian governor

      • Extropico

        I initially thought that painting on your profile icon was a Mary Cassatt, but I see it is from the esteemed Gilbert Stuart.

        • SouthronKittie

          Oh you know him!!–most Americans might happen to know the trash of Andy Warhol.

  • IstvanIN

    What astounds me is that allegedly American politicians worry about the opinions and cater to people who are here illegally (criminals) and people who are not citizens. It is like living in the Twilight Zone. There was a time illegals would be deported without worrying about their feelings and immigrants were expected to be somewhat grateful. The opinions of the American public makes no difference whatsoever. It is truly bizarre.

    • Nancy Thomas

      I have the same feelings. It’s very very odd that we once deported the invaders without any hand wringing, I think it was called operation wetback. Now you can’t even say wetback without the thought police attacking. Who cares about their “feelings?” If they’re here illegally and working, they are STEALING jobs from Americans.

    • Bossman

      So there are no Hispanic citizens? So he was talking to a crowd of illegal aliens? Why would a conservative politician do that sort of thing?

      • Xerxes22

        Money. Their corporate owners pay them very well. These creeps have less morals than a prostitute, provide no useful service and do far more harm. We would be better off if we legalized prostitutes and banned politicians.

    • MBlanc46

      “The opinions of the American public makes no difference whatsoever.”

      That depends on which part of the public you belong to. If you’re writing five or six figure checks to some pols campaign fund, your opinion makes a difference.

  • Nancy Thomas

    This man is nuts and will find himself out of a job soon.

  • dd121

    When Mick wants to have town meetings with whites, I’ll listen.

  • jeffaral

    How Mr Mulvaney learned to speak fluent Spanish? Looks like the Reps are now modelling themselves as the Hispanic friendly party.

    • Jesse James

      If that is what they are doing they will see a huge loss of white working and middle class Southerners who will just sit the next elections out. Let’s see them win anything with a few hundred Hispanic voters and new lows in turning out their long neglected white base.

  • JohnEngelman

    Mr. Mulvaney said he and other conservative House Republicans were open to some kind of legal status, although not a path to citizenship, for many immigrants living in the country illegally.

    - Julia Preston, New York Times, February 22, 2014

    In other words, let them stay to lower wages for American citizens, but don’t let them vote Democrat. What a concept.

  • jeffaral

    Wetbacks are taking over Amerika!

  • Spartacus

    There’s a rope with this guy’s name on it somewhere…

  • MBlanc46

    The Repubs have just been waiting for sufficient cover to do their corporate masters’ bidding on immigration.

  • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

    If it isn’t explicitly pro-White, then it will inevitably turn against you. If America is supposed to be turned into a third-world toilet just so big business and manufacturers can be supplied with a steady stream of low-wage workers, then those businesses and manufacturers shouldn’t be considered a viable and sustainable part of the economy.

  • jane johnson

    Whew! When I read South Carolina and GOP, I thought, “Please, please, PLEASE, don’t let this be about Trey Gowdy”.

  • Truth Teller

    I read an article on the internet yesterday. A reporter spoke with the colonel responsible for recruitment in New York City. The yearly NYC quota is only 2,400. But the army has enormous trouble meeting the quota, reasons? (1) no high school diploma (2) criminal record (3) obesity. I assume that is the people the army manages to lure into the recruiters office.
    I listened to Huckabee yesterday as well. He was blathering on in his usual unctuous preacher voice. He plans a Republican landslide in 2016 and this fall’s congressional elections.
    Here is his program
    Convince millions of blacks and Hispanics vote Republican by appealing to their Christian beliefs, family values and desire to work hard to better themselves.
    Stress the benefits of Christianity
    Convince all the pro abortion people to be anti abortion by talking about the benefits of having children. Appeal to women by stressing that only women can have children, children are precious and abortion is evil.
    Not a word, not one word about White men.
    I’ve got a landslide platform
    I promise to end affirmative action by executive order. I promise to close every civil rights department of federal state and local government EEOC,FEPC whatever. By executive order I promise federal persecution of all black on White crimes. I will close down all programs but hard STEM programs in every college and university that takes any federal money whatsoever.
    I’d vote for him

    • jeffaral

      It’s important to stress that many White Christians can be the most anti-White racist traitors.

  • bubo

    Growers, farmers, manufacturers and hotelkeepers are becoming more outspoken with Mr. Mulvaney about their urgent need for legal immigrant workers for low-wage jobs.

    Ah, those jobs Americans just won’t do, right?

    I’m familiar with this town. I used to spend my summers there at my grandma’s house. I never saw any hispanics. Now the upstate of SC is loaded with them. They just came in waves. It’s disconcerting how fast it happened. Jobs are disappearing and yet more and more are coming.

    • JohnEngelman

      Americans would do those jobs if they paid decently.

      • Vito Powers

        I would think there are retired people who would welcome a part time job, but not at slave labor rates. Amazing how our political elites will champion human rights for the world, but turn a blind eye at workers being exploited by business interests.

  • mobilebay

    Has everyone forgotten that we have many guest worker programs? (although I consider this a misnomer – guests eventually go home) But most farmers and businesses would rather take the “under-the-table-route because they feel the paperwork is too time consuming. Foreign labor came for years under the government sponsored programs, worked seasonally, then went home. Now, if anyone just walks by out borders, this government, and several previous ones want to make them citizens. It’s ridiculous. In a couple of short decades, we will be a nation with an Hispanic majority. Our forefathers envisioned a nation of those from European backgrounds who would build and maintain this country, not one of people who for generations will be dependent on others for their livelihood and who will change the culture, language and the very ideals on which this nation was conceived and built.

  • Epiminondas

    If the NYTimes does a favorable story on a Republican, especially in the South, you know that politician can be easily rolled. More than likely the Times has already received information from their sources in SC that Mulvaney can be counted on for their multicultural agenda. And it’s quite possible that they already have some dirt on him and have informed him through back channels that he can either play along or be exposed.

  • jackryanvb

    Irish Americans tend to be bad on immigration. Italian Americans tend to be good on immigration.

  • Truth Teller

    What I get from Fox is that if we only start going to Church, quit the few union jobs that are left, pressure the government to ban abortion and all get married and never get divorced even from the most horrible spouse it will be all right.
    Mexican religious and family values indeed. They are mostly Catholic and have the highest abortion rate of all races. And abortion is the one thing the Catholic Church is most unbending on. And Fox has more blacks pontificating than the regular black worshipping channels.

    • jeffaral

      Why do you waste you time watching the lobotomy box???!!!

  • Truth Teller

    “Americans would do those jobs if they paid decently” Another ridiculous totally ignorant statement by Engleman. If you live in California as you claim, you know that those kind of jobs are carefully kept secret from Americans.
    The hotels, restaurants, construction, farm and other businesses that hire illegals keep the hiring process secret. They never advertise job openings. They all have recruiters and even 800 numbers in Central America and the indio parts of Mexico. The illegals are brought to the job directly from their stone age jungle villages. They often live at the job site or in warehouses the company puts them in.
    The employers keep job openings secret from Americans. How long has it been that restaurants had help wanted signs in their windows. When I was young restaurants always had help wanted signs. Now they keep job openings secret and hire only by word of mouth or directly from other countries.
    The Asian restaurants are notorious for importing their help from Asia as indentured servants and housing them on the floor of the restaurants. A lot of the 7-11 clerks are indentured servant illegals as well.