Dear Mr. Holder

Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, July 18, 2013

I, too, want an honest discussion of race in America.

Dear Mr. Holder,

I see that the verdict in the trial of George Zimmerman has prompted you, once again, to call for an “honest” discussion of race in America. I welcome that discussion.

Let us start with your recent comments before the NAACP, in which you said that the verdict compelled you to have a talk with your 15-year-old son about how to deal with the police. I fail to see anything in this verdict that would provoke such a conversation, particularly considering that Mr. Zimmerman was not a policeman.

Eric HolderHowever, I assume you brought up the allegations that Mr. Zimmerman took a special interest in Trayvon Martin because he was black. Those allegations are unproven, but let us assume they are correct. I hope you explained to your boy that Mr. Zimmerman had excellent reasons for being suspicious.

I would imagine you used statistics from your own Justice Department to show that blacks are at least seven times more likely than people of other races to commit violent crimes, and that young black men are the most dangerous people in America. I hope you explained that Americans will be suspicious of blacks for as long as they continue to commit so many crimes. This may be unfortunate for law-abiding blacks but the fault is not with the police or with neighborhood watchmen; it is with other blacks.

I assume you also explained to your son that the evidence in the case very clearly suggests that if Mr. Zimmerman was suspicious of young blacks his suspicions were richly, painfully confirmed. Trayvon Martin appears to have attacked Mr. Zimmerman, broken his nose, and pounded his head into the pavement simply because he thought a “creepy-ass cracker” was following him. Unfortunately for Mr. Martin, Mr. Zimmerman was armed and defended himself.

Now, perhaps, I understand why you had this conversation with your son: to explain to him that it is not only potentially dangerous but a serious crime to attack someone just because he is following you. I assume you explained to him that he should also refrain from attacking policemen, and if he was unaware that such behavior is unwise, I commend you for having this conversation.

On a different matter, your department is now investigating Mr. Zimmerman with an eye to charging him with a hate crime. According to news reports, your staff has already grilled three dozen of Mr. Zimmerman’s friends and acquaintances about what he thought of black people. Why? A state jury has already found that Mr. Zimmerman acted in legitimate self defense. Is it your view that if Mr. Zimmerman had “racist” views he is guilty of a “hate crime,” even if he acted in self defense?

Let us assume that your investigators had learned that Mr. Zimmerman liked to use “the N-word”—that he liked to use it almost as much as Trayvon Martin did. Would that mean that the very same actions on his part—actions a jury found to be legitimate self-defense—would now be a hate crime?

This is not an academic question, Mr. Holder. I hold unorthodox views on race and have expressed them publicly. Does this mean that if I am attacked by a black and have to defend myself with lethal force you will investigate me? What if it could be proven that I am the wickedest racist in America? Does that mean I have forfeited my right to defend myself against a black attacker? I hope you understand my dismay, but this is very clearly the logic of your investigation: that I will lose very important rights if I have views of which you disapprove.

Finally, on an entirely different matter, you seem to think that blacks and whites are precisely equal in ability and temperament, and that if there are any differences in outcome between the two groups, it can only be due to white “racism.” In the interest of the honest discussion you want, I invite you to reflect on the fact that American blacks have an average IQ of 85 whereas whites have an average of 100. I also invite you to consider the huge body of evidence that suggests this difference has a substantially genetic cause.

May I be so bold as to suggest that you will never understand race in America if you refuse to consider racial differences in ability? I would be pleased to present the evidence for this at a mutually convenient time and place. Indeed, there are many subjects we could usefully explore in the name of the honest discussion we both desire.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely,

Jared Taylor, President

New Century Foundation

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  • Evette Coutier

    Please let me be the debate moderator between Mr. Taylor and Holder. I would actually give equal time to both participants to make and complete their points. I do not promise, however, to refrain from laughing when Holder preachers anti-white babble that is not supported by evidence or fact.

    • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

      If reality makes you cry then you have a tough road ahead. Besides there is no such thing as “anti-white”. Where do you come up with such non-sense? Might as well call it pity party.

      • MrGJG

        So you didn’t read the article?

      • ncpride

        Pity party? So when Eric ‘my people’ Holder tells congress ‘hate crime’ laws don’t cover White people, he refuses to prosecute the black panthers for voter intimidation of Whites caught on video, and many whistleblowers from the DOJ civil rights division have come forward with the rabid anti White attitude and practices from that department, you have the gall to tell us we’re having a pity party? Get out of here, and how dare you lecture us on matters you seem to know nothing about.

      • Anan7

        quote: (Besides there is no such thing as “anti-white”.) Check out affirmative action “laws”. Check out ‘anti-discrimination’ laws and tell me that the State doesn’t hate Whites.

      • Evette Coutier

        You are either trolling or a retard. Either way I don’t debate people I don’t respect.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        You’re probably out. The mods will delete all your comments. I’m not one, but I’ve seen it happen before. I don’t even have to tell them, but picking on women is not tolerated here. Cheers!

  • sbuffalonative

    Every black talking head is going around telling us about ‘the conversation’ they have to have with their sons. I wonder if any of them tell their sons not do dress like a thug or wear hoodies to cover your head and face. If you dress like a thug, (an image cultivated by black rappers) people might tend to think you’re a thug.

    I’ve said it many times. Blacks don’t want a conversation on race. They want a confession of racism.

    When a black man says, ‘we need a dialog on race’, what he means is ‘shut up white man and let ME do all the talking’.

    People like Eric Dyson cling to books written by Tim Wise. Mr Wise wrote a book about white privialge and this seems to be ‘the confession’ Mr. Dyson expects from every white man and woman to make.

    A note on black-on-black murder rates:

    To update, in the 513 days between Trayvon dying, and the Zimmerman verdict, 11,106 African Americans have been murdered by other African-Americans.

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    http[:]//tinyurl[.]com/q568o29

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Holder is a coward and would not dare have a “real discussion on race” he did not control or could not shut down the inevitable moment it went “south” for him.

      But you are correct. The black wants not an honest discussion on race, he wants an opportunity to preach and hector and insult. He wants to humiliate, browbeat, ridicule. He wants you or me to apologize and beg forgiveness, to curse our ancestors and…give him money.

      • beagal

        I have never owned a slave. I will not be made to feel guilty by lefties!

      • Oldcorporal

        Blacks tend to “debate” the same way they tend to fight: Hit the White guy with an unexpected sucker punch, hopefully knocking him down, then jump on top of him and start pounding on his head. I’ve seen it happen, in person and in NBA games on TV, among other places. Blacks, when debating, will try to shout you down, to talk louder and longer than you can. I wonder why, when they appear on TV talk shows where the black is on remote, the host does not simply kill the black’s mic when he insists on being loud and obstreperous.

    • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

      Not really. The Black man is merely asking for the systemic racism to go away. If you see a nudist couple on the beach, you don’t expect them to get raped, or do you? Wearing a hoodie or having an alternative dress style (emo, thug, traditional etc.) should not be the reason for one’s murder.

      By your logic, people driving trucks would be next.

      • MrGJG

        How about wearing a hoodie, having an alternative dress style and pounding my head against the sidewalk? Am I getting warmer?

        • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

          Again, please read sbuffalonative comment where he states, “I wonder if any of them (Blacks) tell their sons not do dress like a thug or wear hoodies to cover your head and face.”

          My response is that an entire group of people should not be restricted from an article of clothing or a dress style because of your irrational fear. If you maintain such irrational fear then you stand with Taliban as they’re quite dress-sensitive people as well.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Yes. They are quite often murderers, rapists and thieves.

          • Archibald_Cunningham

            …some irrational fear.

            Did someone forget to take their haloperidol today?

          • MrGJG

            How about this; line-up 100 black guys dressed in hoodies and pants on the floor, and next to them 100 black guys dressed like white people.
            Now, what line will have more guys with criminal records?

            Here’s another question. Your playing black-jack and the dealer has a 6 showing. You get dealt a 12; do you take a hit or pass?

          • Wethepeople

            Maybe it’s not so irrational..?

          • Wethepeople

            Still irrational?

      • Anan7

        “Wearing a hoodie or having an alternative dress style (emo, thug, traditional etc.) should not be the reason for one’s murder.” That had nothing to do with why Zimmerman was acquitted. If you had the wherewithal to earn a doctoral degree you would bother to become informed before making asinine, misinformed comments like that in public.

        • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

          Please read sbuffalonative comment where he states, “I wonder if any of them (Blacks) tell their sons not do dress like a thug or wear hoodies to cover your head and face.”

          Again, alternative dress code shouldn’t be a factor or something Black children be refrained from simply to appease Whites. I see it no different than alternative lifestyle or alternative choice of vehicle.

          • Anan7

            “Again, alternative dress code shouldn’t be a factor or something Black
            children be refrained from simply to appease Whites. I see it no
            different than alternative lifestyle or alternative choice of vehicle.” That is irrelevant to the case. Martin was shot because he was trying to kill Zimmerman for following him. Martin initiated the violence, which is why Zimmerman was acquitted.

          • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

            Irrelevant.

            I’m not discussing the Zimmerman case in my comment. I’m talking about an article of clothing or dressing style being a factor. It shouldn’t be something Black children be refrained otherwise you should join the Taliban.

            Try to keep up with the conversation next time, champ.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            We get to decide what is irrelevant and what is not. You don’t.

          • Anan7

            “I’m not discussing the Zimmerman case in my comment.” Yes, you are. It’s the subtext of the whole discussion. And people are judged by their dress. It’s an unfortunate facet of human society. But it does indicate low-life thugs like Martin and his ilk. We are all better off without the Trayvons in the world.

          • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

            Alright then show me where did I mention Zimmerman? I’m simply against your irrational fear of “hoodies”. All along I’ve advocated against the idea that an entire race be
            restricted from an article of clothing or a dress style because of your
            irrational fears as is evident in the comment, “I wonder if any of them
            (Blacks) tell their sons not do dress like a thug or wear hoodies to
            cover your head and face.”

            Besides, if Klan members are getting a pass with their robs and conical hats then hoodies should be the least of one’s worries. We don’t want those guys dead now, do we? :)

            Again, if you insist that Blacks shouldn’t dress a certain way then you should join the Taliban. They’re known to be dress-sensitive people.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            We don’t insist they dress a certain way. I own a “hoodie”, and I occasionally wear it at age 47. I look nothing like 47 – probably closer to 30. My black hoodie says “Extreme Pizza” on the back and front.

            What Martin appeared to be doing was wandering around aimlessly in the rain, “casing” houses, so Zimmerman followed and then called the police. He followed Martin somewhat farther and then was cold-cocked near his own car. While he was having the daylights beaten out of him, he shot Martin once.

          • ncpride

            Get some new talking points. Seriously, the Klan? You sound positively clownish with that remark. Irrational fears? That’s another uninformed or disingenuous ‘argument’.

          • IanJMacDonald

            Here’s my point: if you dress like a thug and wander through my neighborhood, I am more likely to stop and call the police. I might even maintain surveillance of you while I have the cops on the phone. And if the fact that this “cracker” looked at you funny is grounds to assault me, then you might end up as surprised as Martin was.

          • Wethepeople

            Yupp…. They don’t seem dangerous, or hostile towards us in any way.

          • sbuffalonative

            “There is nothing more painful to me at this stage in my life than to walk down the street and hear footsteps and start thinking about robbery — then look around and see somebody white and feel relieved.” Jesse Jackson.

          • IanJMacDonald

            Zimmerman wasn’t acquitted because Martin dressed like a thug. If you don’t know this, then you don’t know anything.

          • sbuffalonative

            Since you seem obsessed by my original comment, I will repost it here:

            Every black talking head is going around telling us about ‘the conversation’ they have to have with their sons. I wonder if any of them tell their sons not do dress like a thug or wear hoodies to cover your head and face. If you dress like a thug, (an image cultivated by black rappers) people might tend to think you’re a thug.

            My comment referred to this alleged ‘conversation’ black parents have with their children. My question is, ‘do black parents include not wearing hoodies so as to not being mistaken for being a thug’ in this ‘conversation’?

            I never said anyone shouldn’t wear a hoodie. I merely wondered if during this ‘conversation’ black parents advise their children against wearing hoodies so as not to be perceived as a thug (and as I said, an image cultivated by blacks).

            People wearing the clothing of Goths and Emos don’t rob banks. Robbers and burglars usually wear hoodies and sunglasses.

            Whether you believe me or not, if I saw a white male that I didn’t know walking through my neighborhood wearing a hoodie and looking from side to side, I would be suspicious. I likely wouldn’t follow him or immediately call the police but I would watch to see where he goes and what he does.

          • David Ashton

            Face covering has social implications e.g. with Muslim women.

          • Wethepeople

            Surely any quasi-sentient being would not call fear of this irrational?

      • Winston Merryweather

        Whites are the new victims of “systemic racism.” Government sanctioned, Supreme Court-approved, systemic racism.

        • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

          Last I checked, Supreme Court invalidated a key part of Voting Rights Act so no there is no institutional racism against Whites or “anti-white” as you would refer to it.

          • sbuffalonative

            A qualified white person who doesn’t get a job or into university because of Affirmative Action is a victim of institutional racial preferences.

            Affirmative Action is government enforced discrimination against whites.

          • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

            I guess there was no “institutional racial preferences” for those 260 years that Blacks were enslaved. *WINK*

            Btw, there is nothing wrong with Affirmative Action when you have White privilege. Besides, I don’t hear Asian students complaining when they, despite being a minority, miss out on opportunities which are given to lesser qualified White students.

          • Archibald_Cunningham

            It’s because that doesn’t happen.

            So called White privilege in America has nothing on Jewish privilege in Israel. Why don’t you address that for a moment?

          • David Ashton

            Those 260 years are over.
            Today affirmative action results in collective privilege against white-skinned people. This is now carefully documented.

          • sbuffalonative

            Are we still now living in those ’260 years’?

          • Creepy as a cracker!

            Two wrongs don’t make a right. Affirmative-Action is state sponsored discrimination with Whites as the intended victim. Affirmative-Action will get Rachel Jeantel into med school while a well qualified White will be denied the opportunity.

            There is no such thing as White privilege. Now minority privilege is alive and well.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            “I guess there was no “institutional racial preferences” for those 260 years that Blacks were enslaved. *WINK*”

            So what’s the formula? How many years (decades, centuries, millennia?) does the intergenerational group post traumatic stress disorder continue? Is it a one to one basis or what? 260 years enslaved? So is it 260 years of group pathology? How do you guys come up with this? Science? Of course solid documentation shows that even before evil whitey showed up on the shores of poor good Africa, most were enslaved by their own people. For thousands of years. Is this taken into account I the great scientific theory that underpins race policy I this country and elsewhere?

            “Btw, there is nothing wrong with Affirmative Action when you have White privilege. Besides, I don’t hear Asian students complaining when they, despite being a minority, miss out on opportunities which are given to lesser qualified White students.”
            Where is my trust fund? I’m privileged. So privileged. When and where, by the way, are Whites getting academic spots at the cost of Asians? Is that then the point of AA – lower standards until there are none any more, then everybody is equally schleppy?
            You claim to be a doctor. Your ideology is broken and no equivocation will fix it. How often do you deal with blacks in their own environs?

          • Creepy as a cracker!

            You are absolutely correct and the SCOTUS has ruled in favor of state sponsored racism and systemic discrimination against Whites!

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Last I checked, you’re a troll.

      • sbuffalonative

        “The black man is merely asking for the systemic racism to go away”.

        What is this ‘systemic system of racism’?

        • IanJMacDonald

          It is nothing more than the figment of his hyper-active imagination. America has been the best country on earth for black folks.

      • ncpride

        That’s rich coming from you, Mr. Tel Aviv, considering your people are expelling African immigrants by the thousands because they are destroying the ‘Jewish character’ of Israel. Racism at it’s finest.

        • Anan7

          “Racism”? I don’t think so. The Israelis are trying to preserve their ethnic identity. It’s self-defense.

          • ncpride

            I actually agree, however I’m sure Mr. Tel Aviv would never dream of affording us the same.

          • IanJMacDonald

            That’s our point exactly. When the descendants of Europeans advocate restricting immigration to maintain the ethnic identity of their countries, they (we) are invariably accused of “racism.”

            When Israel builds a border wall, restricts immigration, and expels illegal aliens, it is merely “trying to preserve its ethnic identity.” I don’t have a problem with Israel’s survival as an ethno-state; I just hate the double standards.

          • Creepy as a cracker!

            Agreed!

        • David Ashton

          I think all readers should realise that Dr “Herpes” hails from the “Holy Land” (see his full profile).

      • IanJMacDonald

        There is no “systemic racism” in America. Perhaps you have confused the US with your own country which still practices a sort of apartheid towards Arabs?

      • David Ashton

        1. Dress is no reason for murder. What is?
        2. The Zimmerman trial did not show that Trayvon was murdered at all, let alone because of his dress.
        3. Dress can be provocative or a form of criminal concealment.

      • Creepy as a cracker!

        Yes Dr. Israel, I would like to see systemic racism disappear too. However, I as a White citizen of the USA suffer from state sponsored and systemic racism everyday. I can not compete with minorities in the job market because of anti White discrimination laws. In fact, the official government position is that because I am White, I can not be the victim of racism or discrimination. I am not in a protected class and neither are my children. There are numerous college scholarships that my children are not eligible for because they are White. My children must score in a much higher percentile on their SAT’s and LSAT’s to enter the universities of their choice. We as Whites can lose our job or business just by saying something that might not be politically correct while the protected classes can bash Whites with impunity. If I defend myself from a black criminal I will be publically persecuted because I am White. Yes, institutional racism exists and the Whites citizens of this country are the victims. If you would like some specific examples of my assertions, just ask.

    • NotYourTypicalBlack

      I agree wholeheartedly. Also, even being black myself, I’ve always believed that blacks are the ones hindering this supposed discussion on race because those same blacks wish to control which topics are permitted in this “discussion”, and which ones aren’t. You can’t be a participant and a referee at the same time.

  • SoCal88

    I would say that the conversation that Mr. Holder should have with his son would go something like this: Stay away from gangs, thugs, and wannabes; don’t do drugs or alcohol or hang out with those who do; always cooperate with law enforcement; don’t listen to rap or play video games, work hard in school, don’t look for fights; respect and protect women and girls; and strive to become the honorable adult that his dad will never be.

    • sbuffalonative

      That would amount to telling them to act white. They can’t be authentically black if they act white. If they act white, they lose their street cred.

      • SoCal88

        Oh, sorry……..nevermind

    • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

      Holder is married, has a fantastic career. He pay his taxes and is an upstanding member of the community. By all definitions, he is an successful and honorable adult unless, of course, you’re using Hitler’s evaluation criteria.

      • MrGJG

        Reading your posts I’m reminded of the teachers on Charlie Brown…WAA WAA WAAA …

      • Winston Merryweather

        Just don’t bother him about refusing to prosecute the New Black Panther Party for violating the voting rights of white Americans. The little thing about “You got to murder some white babies.” is alright too.

        Holder is no different than every other professional victim.

      • sbuffalonative

        We have our Godwin’s Law winner of the day.

        • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

          Guilty as charged. However, you can replace Hitler’s evaluation criteria with Klans but I’m not convinced that the results would be any different.

          • David Ashton

            Reductio ad Klanum.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Don’t insult us by equating us with those Nazi critters. We like elected governments and trial by juries of our peers. In what sort of country would YOU prefer to live?

          • ncpride

            Mr. Tel Aviv apparently lives in Israel, where he enjoys Jewish privilege, in a largely homogenous nation that expels African immigrants to keep from destroying their character, and because of the violence they bring to his country,(although Mr. Tel Aviv would never admit that) then has the gall to come here and lecture us ‘racists…… Priceless.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Oh yes, the country that bulldozes homes because someone’s cousin’s kid threw a rock at a tank.

            I’ve been keeping my mouth shut about that for years and years, but when Israeli Jews do that to villages, I think of the Nazis destroying Lidice, in Czechoslovakia. Cheers!

          • sbuffalonative

            They also wall the Arabs and Palestinians off on reservations. They just don’t call them reservations.

            Imagine if we even proposed putting blacks on reservations justified by the high rates of black-on-white violence. The UN would send in troops to dismantle them.

          • Wethepeople

            Silly liberal, nazis were national socialists. While many of us are nationalists, we are thoroughly conservative. If interested in socialism, go speak to some of your Marxist buddies. You have a lot in common with them, arguments based on emotion not fact, a healthy hatred for white people.

      • Lewis33

        This has got to be Alex L. or somebody pulling our leg!

      • David Ashton

        Hitler? Slavery? This is not argument; it is verbal prestidigitation. When it comes to racial evaluation criteria, who are Holder’s “my” people?

    • Big Blue 11

      And dont sell machine guns to Mexican drug gangs.

  • storibund

    Ah, yes, the old “discussion of (conversation/dialogue about, etc etc) race in America” constantly demanded by the Left.

    Just produce crime and education stats sorted by race, and watch them start hissing like vampires facing the dawn. Prepare to be banned from the particular online venue in which you’re participating in said “conversation”.

    Not much of a “conversation”, admittedly; but hey, they asked for it, right?

    • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

      Utter nonsense.

      So would you be comfortable with comparing Asians and Whites? Asians reportedly have a lower crime rate than Whites and much higher education. Not to mention, “White” stats are propped up as it includes Jews who have significantly higher incomes than Whites and extremely low crime rates.

      The problem with racists like yourself is that you only compare Whites and Blacks as if those are the only two people living in America today.

      • ncpride

        You obviously know nothing about this site. Asians, Jews and Whites are often compared and acknowledged here. What don’t you educate yourself before you come here uttering your own nonsense?

        • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

          I’m simply stating facts in reply to “Just produce crime and education stats sorted by race.”

          The stats indicate that Asian and Jews have a much better record than Whites. Now I’m simply providing a dose of reality to your fellow Anti-White comrade. If anything you should try to educate him, not me. I’m simply stating the uncomfortable facts.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Which records do those include? The Bataan Death March or the Rape of Nanking?

          • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

            If you like to go there then you can start with the history of colonialism and then proceed to Holocaust. I would remind you of the Vietnam war and the 3-5 million that died there but what’s a couple million people between friends?

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Why start with colonialism? We ought to go back to the Jewish aid given the Romans in enslaving Celts and Germans, and the Mongol murders in Iran and Russia.

            You’re out of your league here, “Doctor”.

          • sbuffalonative

            Let’s go back further than the Holocuast. Let’s look at the first people to practice and record their acts of genocide.
            Samuel might be a good start: “Make war on them until you have wiped them out”.

          • David Ashton

            I don’t wish to annoy Dr David M. Israel, but “there will be Amaleks in every generation”. AmRen supporters and white Americans, however, were not responsible for “The Holocaust”. Dr David M. Israel is making a collective racist accusation against Whites.

          • sbuffalonative

            I have no problem with facts.

            If you’re telling us that Asians and Jews have a better record on crime than whites, how do the facts of black crime fit into your equation?

            Are you saying that whites would be safer with Asians and Jews but not so with blacks? Are you yourself not pointing out the higher rates of black violence?

          • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

            On the other hand, wouldn’t Asians and Jews be safer with themselves? By your own logic, they should avoid Whites because of the higher crime rate.

          • ncpride

            Nothing would please us more. Asia for Asians, Israel for Jews, Africa for Africans.

          • sbuffalonative

            If white people are as evil as black claim, why do blacks demand to live with whites?

            An intellegent person who believed what he said would do everything he could to distance himselves.

          • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

            My question was about Asians and Jews and your answer is about Black and Whites. Read the question again, champ.

            I’m giving you an F.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            We assign the grades here.

          • sbuffalonative

            You can’t answer my question.

            If white people are as evil as blacks claim, why do they demand to live with us?

          • Creepy as a cracker!

            Israel was created for Jews. You have a Jewish homeland. There is no White homeland. If they ever create a White State or homeland, I would be among the first to move there.

          • Melanie

            Because they’re parasites, and whites are their host. They lie about “white oppression” to gain the moral high ground and to instill white guilt, and pretend they want nothing to do with us. But actions speak louder than words-they sue to work with us, go to school with us, live amongst us, and force their way into our clubs and social groups. They have to be near us to feed off of us. Cities like Detroit suck up more tha their share of suburban tax money, because the parasiites in Detroit produce nothing and have no tax base. Memphis dissolved its failed school district (majority black) in order to force a merger with the county system (majority white), even though, like many majority black schools, it spends more per student than the majority white schools which have much higher scores and higher standards.

            Being mentally deficient, and/or immoral, they can’t or won’t admit that they ccouldn’t survive to a first world standard without whites to provide it. Just look at every formerly white-ruled city, state, or country-once blacks assume rule, the area devolves to a third world standard or worse. Haiti has been black-ruled for centuries, and is the poorest country in the western hemisphere. It’s main source of revenue is kidnapping for ransom.

            Blacks hate whites because they are aware of their defiencies, but can never acknowledge it. They hate us even as they live on us, just as parasites do. Also like parasites, they kill their host. What they don’t seem to realise is that once they destroy their white host, their whole world will be Haiti.

            If they weren’t so stupid and hateful, they’d understand that they, and we, would both be better off if they’d leave us to live separately so that whites could do what we do best-be productive, and support them from a distance. As it is, we support them anyway through taxes, forced employment, etc, but the forced integration is bringing white resentment to the boiling point, and they

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Certainly they might be better outside white nations.

          • Aditya Vivek Barot

            And all Israelites would be better off in Israel, which as we all know, is not a racist nation that discriminates against people on the basis of ethnicity and religion.

            All Israelites should leave these vile United States of “racists” and move to any other country where they can make millions of dollars, enjoy unheard-of privileges, and live in nice safe communities.

          • sbuffalonative

            They demanded their own homeland and yet most of them don’t want to live there.

          • silviosilver

            “On the other hand, wouldn’t Asians and Jews be safer with each other or by themselves? By your own logic, they should avoid Whites because of your higher crime rate.”

            You’ll find most posters would be quite pleased if Asians, Jews and any other races avoided whites – because of higher white crime or because of any other reason. That would be a very desirable outcome for them.

          • David Ashton

            Chinatowns.
            In Britain we have eruvs set up.

          • ncpride

            Again, since you can’t seem to comprehend, Mr. Taylor has written extensively on the differences in IQ and crime rates of the various races.. Apparently you are too ignorant to know that in America, the black/White achievement gap is ALL that is discussed , and those pesky Asians are always left out of the debate, because, well, that would destroy liberals argument of their imaginary ‘racist institutions’ that keep the black man down.

          • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

            It doesn’t destroy any arguments as Asian weren’t enslaved. You’re overlooking facts, again.

          • ncpride

            So you’re telling me that after 50 years of trying desperately to close the gap between Whites and blacks, billions of dollars spent, countless programs enacted, every opportunity handed to them to succeed, they still can’t catch up because of slavery nearly 2 centuries ago? You people are delusional, and that ridiculous argument doesn’t hold water considering their own behavior.

          • Creepy as a cracker!

            I was watching one of the cable news talk shows last night. They determined that the problem with Rachel Jeantel and young blacks is that not enough money has been spent on their education. Come on and give me a break. How much more money are we willing to waste on those who are incapable nor desire an education? I say enough already.

          • IanJMacDonald

            Go back far enough and everyone’s ancestors were enslaved at some point.The legacy of slavery” and “the legacy of colonialism” and “the legacy of apartheid” are all just excuses.

          • David Ashton

            What was that about “colonialism” then?
            Look how well “we were slaves in Egypt” etc have done for themselves in White America.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        My wife is Japanese, but I haven’t heard her complain about my approach to dealing with blacks or mestizos. Quite the opposite, in fact. She’s much more right-wing than any whites you are likely to encounter here.

        As for the lawfulness of Jewish folks, I offer you two words: “Bernie” and “Madoff”.

        I hope this helps. Cheers!

        • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

          Anecdotal evidence.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Anecdotal? Bernie was convicted in a court of law. How much more certain does it get?

          • Aditya Vivek Barot

            Mr. Scott, perhaps our Israelite friend would care to peruse Ron Unz’s analysis of Jewish “achievement” which has less to do with intellectual merit and more to do with ethno-networking.

            And where is his evidence about Jews making “significantly” more money than whites?

            And where is his “evidence” refuting the claims of lower black achievement? I recommend that he read Mr. Taylor’s “White Identity” or Byron M. Roth’s “”Perils of Diversity” or visit the “IQ of Nations” Website.

          • David Ashton

            What about criminal charges against prominent politicians in Israel? “Money, money, money, it’s a rich man’s world”.
            However, I exempt from criticism Jews who have made excellent contributions to science and medicine, and those who have spoken sense about immigration (Auster, Gottfried, Phillips, Roth, &c).

        • Creepy as a cracker!

          David Berkowitz

      • silviosilver

        “The problem with racists like yourself is that you only compare Whites and Blacks as if those are the only two people living in America today.”

        That’s not true. In my experience WNs are quite comfortable comparing any and all groups. Poke around and you’ll see it’s true.

        That said, it’s hardly surprising that many of the comparisons are restricted to blacks and whites. The “story” of race in America, especially after the Indians had been “taken care of,” is very that of the confrontation between white and black. The various forms this confrontation took constitute the largest part of the “white guilt” that is urged on whites. It’s therefore unavoidable that an equally large part of the pro-white response deals with comparisons of blacks and whites.

        • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

          Don’t plead with this PoS.

          • silviosilver

            He does seem like the classic anti-white asshole, but it’s possible his emotional reactions are based only on fear rather than active malice. Many people feel this way,non-white and white alike. If whites matter – ie, if whites are people too – then much of what has been occurring and is still occurring is horribly wrong. The potential reactions that might take place to right those wrongs can be frightening – people think, ohmygodohymygod, Hitler, Nazis, race-war etc. It must be frustrating to have to jump through those hoops every time you want to stand up for your race but until society comes to accept that white people have a right to exist it’s the sort of thing that has to be endured.

          • David Ashton

            This is true of some Jewish reactions and one must understand them sensitively, but in this case he knows what he is doing with sophistry and misdirection.

          • silviosilver

            Well, reading through his comments again, it does seem he is very well acquainted with all the classic anti-white “pressure points,” that seem so feeble to people immune to them but act like racial kryptonite to people who are not. He is probably just a troll. I have witnessed Jews – particularly of a certain age – react this way many times. They lead very insular lives and have no idea of the white reaction brewing under the surface. They blithely assume that any white anxieties that surface can be dismissed with the sophomoric anti-white sophistries of yesteryear.

          • storibund

            I used to be pro-Jew, pro-Isreal, all the rah rah stuff, even up to a couple of years ago.

            Not any more.

            Once again, they’re their own worst enemy.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            I am still honestly in favor of Israel for Jewish folks. Why not? We already have a Japan for Japanese and a Europe for… oh… nevermind.

      • Evette Coutier

        Thank you for supporting our views. Amren, and its members, believe that people should be free to associate with people of their choosing. In fact, many times Amren has pointed out that homogenous groups do far better than diverse groups. For example, a popular subject is diversity in education. America says diversity in education is a strength. The site argues that places like the University of Tokyo are very successful despite of their monolithic racial composition. In fact, the comparison of whites to non-black races takes place all the time. That you come here and make these comments reflects that you have really not spent enough time educating yourself before making commentary. Spend some time listening to Mr. Taylor in his videos speaking on racial intelligence, crime, and society You will find that what you say is completely inaccurate. Again, this is an example of liberal argument. They take an isolated fact and try to make a general rule for it without getting all the facts before they speak. If you want to engage in honest debate, don’t speak from ignorance. It destroys all your credibility.

      • David Ashton

        You yourself distinguish between “Jews” and “Whites”. Everyone, please note.

        Some Hispanics are included in the “White” category for crime stats which could have a counterbalancing effect.

        If by Asians you mean Chinese, please note e.g.: “Wherever [Triads] have influence, they control gambling, prostitution and drugs…strongest on the eastern seaboard and in the industrial citiies of middle America…. Violence of the [immigrant] Triads in the UK tends mainly to be intergroup fighting…but it can easily catch up anyone in the Chinese business community….’It is this fear WITHIN the Chinese community that I find the most worrying,’ said a Metrpolitan police officer with experience…in both HongKong and London’” (D. V. Barrett, ex-intelligence officer).

        • sbuffalonative

          Thank you for catching that Ashton. He made the distinction.

      • storibund

        Thank you for making my point. Let the hissing commence.

  • Luca

    Holder and the rest of the liberal actors simply want to appeased the eternal victims they have created and cultivated. It’s a simple song and dance routine so the black folks know someone is looking out for them and so they remember who to vote for in 2014.

    “Remember y’all, it was us Democrats that were looking out for your interests, even though we know there is not a chance in hell of pinning anything on ZImmerman. So what if a few more Whites get mugged raped or killed? The show must go on.”

    • http://www.binyanshalem.org.il/ Dr. David M. Israel

      Well the “anti-white” movement is based on victim-hood as well so the same argument applies to you as well.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        They can all just leave; nobody is keeping them here. Nobody’s a slave now.

      • Aditya Vivek Barot

        The thing is, “doctor,” white people are being victimized. The thing is, doctor, that white people are the only people who have had their very nation transformed before their eyes, and have done nothing but carry on with their lives. The thing is, doctor, that white people have very legitimate grievances, and if these grievances aren’t addressed peacefully, then you’re looking at some rough times ahead.

      • silviosilver

        “Well the “anti-white” movement is based on victim-hood ethos as well so the same argument applies to you as well.”

        And to you, too. Israel is in a league of its own when it comes to victimhood ethos.

        But let’s move on.

        If moral standards required that all citizens deserved identical rights regardless of race then blacks were victims during the segregation era. It wasn’t obvious in those days that race should be treated as unimportant, so it wasn’t obvious that blacks were victims. Blacks, however, very much felt victims and society eventually recognized this and amends were made.

        Today, it’s not obvious that white racial existence matters. Indeed, it’s commonly held that not only doesn’t it matter, it’s a positive evil that needs to be eradicated. Therefore the most basic “racial rights” that we might recognize a group to possess if we put our minds to it are trampled with complete impunity when it comes to whites. Whites who value their racial existence have little choice but to consider themselves victims. Will society recognize this? Will society make amends? I believe it ought to, but it remains to be seen.

      • Evette Coutier

        This guy is trolling and not interested in honest discussion. My response is for our honest readers and not him. To deny the anti-white movement is to deny objective fact: the black panthers have declared war on whites, the MSM has run an non-stop campaign against Zimmerman, a Hispanic/white man, exclusively as a white racist despite he his both Hispanic and not a racist, the DOJ is no going after him despite his acquittal, the MSM. Sites like Salon and others, rev Al Sharpton and Jackson run non-stop anti-white campaigns. The Southern Poverty Law center runs a non-stop campaign against whites. At every opportunity, Democrats rail against whites. And the examples go on and on and on. What this person is doing is really arguing that whites are cry babies for standing up for themselves. It is a hallow argument intended to be insulting in a subtitle way instead of engaging in an honest conversation on race. It is typical of leftist debating tactics.

        • sbuffalonative

          I disagree.

          Yes he’s a hit and run toll and he brings up largely irrelevant issues to try to confuse and cloud the issues.

          But these are the people we are dealing with. We need to know how they think and what they say and have reasoned counter arguments.

      • David Ashton

        Justifed.

      • storibund

        It’s taken a long time for other Whites to convince me that perhaps Jews didn’t have our best interests at heart. I fought this idea for many years.

        It’s people like you and Tim Wise that have been instrumental in opening my eyes to the truth.

      • Luca

        Yes, I know, they justify their “anti-white” movement because we have “victimized” them for 400 years. Unfortunately anyone who oppressed them for 400 years would have to be much older than I am. We are not victims, we are fighters, if you’re looking for victims, try the SPLC, ACLU or NAACP.

        I never made an argument, I simply stated a fact about Leftists and their puppet victims.

        Maybe you could go to South Africa or a local ghetto and inquire with the nice folks there if there really is a an anti-white movement.

  • Nathanwartooth

    “What if it could be proven that I am the wickedest racist in America? Does that mean I have forfeited my right to defend myself against a black attacker?”

    This is actually a great point that I have not thought of before.

    If they actually go after Zimmerman with a hate crime charge it will be a very dangerous precedent.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      Even if they can’t find anything, and eventually decide to leave him alone, the investigation and grilling Mr. Zimmerman’s friends alone sets a very dangerous precedent. It would mean that vindictive legal “fishing expeditions” are OK if the objective is “Politically Correct”.

      • Nathanwartooth

        Yeah, same here. Good friends are hard to find.

        But personally, I’ll just play it safe. Stay as far away from Blacks and Hispanics as possible so they don’t have an opportunity to try to beat me to death.

        • MrGJG

          I know Hispanics commit their share of crimes in this country, but the fact is, some of the neighborhoods in my immediate area that have gone from predominantly black to predominantly Mexican are no longer no-go area’s.
          In fact there’s actually commerce now, where beyond liquor stores and bailbondsmen, the buildings were either vacant or drug houses.
          The change is nothing short of stunning.

          I’m still fervently against the amnesty bill, but credit where it’s due.

          • Sick of it

            It’s nice that you feel welcome there. I used to live in a such a neighborhood and they made me feel very unwelcome…like I had invaded THEIR country.

          • MrGJG

            I didn’t say I felt welcome, just not threatened. I’m sure they’d prefer I stay on my side and that’s fine with me as I feel the same regarding them.
            We don’t get to chose our neighbors (unfortunately), but if my only choices were Mexicans or Africans, I’m choosing the former everytime.
            Sometimes our choices are limited to bad or worse.

          • Joseph

            “Sometimes our choices are limited to bad or worse.”

            Like almost all elections.

          • Jefferson

            You can’t afford to live in a predominantly White neighborhood ?

          • MrGJG

            I live in a 95% white community of about 6000 people in Monmouth County NJ. I was referring to peripheral neighborhoods. Neighborhoods within 5 miles or more that were once mostly black that are now mostly Mexican.

            I was merely making an observation.

          • Frans

            It helps to live in a predominantly white neighborhood, but it’s not totally safe, regardless. In the Atlanta metro area where I live, they’re a scourge and inflict like flies. No area or neighborhood is completely safe. At gunpoint, they rob white pedestrians walking in their own neighborhoods, they break into houses, they carjack, they kill, and on and on. I live in an area that’s not as dangerous as some, but the thangs are coming here, too.

          • Homo_Occidentalis

            We don’t get to choose our neighbors

            _______

            Before 1964 we could.

      • din_do_nuffins

        Diversity, Inc., is going after Zimmerman with a vengeance to teach other Whites that they can never defend themselves against blacks or they will suffer the same.
        This is one big “community message.”

  • ncpride

    Eric Holder has even went so far as to set up a ‘tip-line’ for anyone who knows of any past ‘racist’ behavior from Zimmerman. I hear this is unprecedented. Why this sort of action is not striking terror in every White American is beyond me. Surely even White liberals can look down from their moral high horse and see how dangerous this man is. That there is no backlash and outrage over his actions tells us just how dire our situation is.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Sounds like colonial Salem, Mass.

      Have an axe to grind? Has Georgie pissed you off in the past? Do us and yourself a civil wrong favor, call in an anonymous tip.

      • Spartacus

        We used to have that here in Eastern Europe. If a neighbor pissed you off, you could just go to the secret services and say “Hey, I think that guy is a fascist/capitalist/terrorist/spy/etc.”. The police and/or secret services would harass them for a few days, but they would leave if they didn’t find anything. Somehow, I don’t think American law enforcement uses that much common sense.

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          Hey, Sparty!

          I’m thinking about leaving Germany someday. Where’s a great Eastern European destination?

          • Spartacus

            Go to Greece and give Golden Dawn a hand. They will most likely be the spark that starts our revolution

      • Keep Honkin I’m Reloading

        We’re going to get him if we have to pay someone willing to lie(convincingly) to do it.

        They tried that with Jabba the Jeantel…but she lacked the mental capacity to stay on script.

        • Frans

          Jabba the Jeantel—now that’s priceless!

    • Jefferson

      [QUOTE]Surely even White liberals can look down from their moral high horse and see how dangerous this man is.[/QUOTE]

      No they can’t look down from their moral high horse. I don’t see the ACLU coming out to condemn Eric My People Holder for abusing his power in trying to take down George Zimmerman and destroy his life.

      Eric Holder is as corrupt as a Sub Saharan African dictator.

      • ncpride

        Even more infuriating, White Republicans have been predictably cowardly on his many discretions, and seem willing to let this corrupt dictator run roughshod over the American people, and particularly, White people.

        • MrGJG

          Yea, anyone still claiming the Republicans give a rats ass about whitey needs to open their eyes.

          That became crystal clear when they were trying to shove school vouchers down our throats.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        Eric Holder works for a corrupt African dictator.

    • Sick of it

      They may come down off their high horse…unless they hate and want to kill white people. Just following the statistics that John Engelman shared on another thread, if 86% of Americans think there is nothing wring with whites marrying blacks…it could very easily change into a situation where whites who won’t marry nonwhites are targeted for either physical annihilation or a removal from the gene pool via incarceration, with both public and governmental approval. All of the factors involved could create such a perfect storm.

    • Joseph

      No, these liberals are like those yokels who keep fighting dogs as pets believing that they are always under control -until one of their children is killed by the animal at which they express utter surprise.

      Holder is a particularly arrogant nominal black with the backing of a president with the same attributes. He is dangerous on all counts.

      Hey, NSA, put that in your bong and smoke it.

      • ncpride

        That’s a great analogy I will have to keep in mind and use from time to time.

  • itdoesnotmatter

    No brainer. “My people”™ more than likely told his son, “never, ever, don’t even think about walking unarmed through a white neighborhood at night.”

  • IKantunderstand

    Jared, you are so adorable! When have facts and statistics ever accounted for anything in our current society? It would be so cool, if you ran for president in 2016. It really wouldn’t matter if you won or not(although that would be WONDERFUL). Think of the debates you would win. Seriously, I would pledge like a Founding Father. Do it. You are not my first pick for charisma(actually, there are no other choices) so , umm, I guess you are my first pick. Do it! Do it! Do it! I have absolutely NO experience running a campaign, or anything to do with one, but, I’m a quick study, and relentless.

    • Nathanwartooth

      JARED FOR PRESIDENT 2016!!

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        I suspect Mr. Taylor would be wasted on that office. He obviously completely loves what he does, or he wouldn’t do it. There’s another reason, as well: he wants us to think for ourselves. There wouldn’t be a forum like this here if he didn’t want us to figure out what should be done.

        • ed

          If Mr. Taylor wants us, his readers, to figure out what should be done, how about he give us a proper forum.

          I’d love to swap ideas with you fine folk.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            We already know what needs to be done; I made my decision after the Knoxville Horror. Winning some local and state elections would be a useful place from which to start.

          • ed

            We already know? I don’t think we do. There is no unanimity for such a plan. That is why we need to come together to talk.

            I don’t think that running for American office, or chasing mainstream acceptance, will do us any good.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            The goal, I suspect, rather than the means.

            What we need is a country of our own, in which we can be safe. This would have to be within the entirety of the current US borders, or we won’t be safe. The long and the short of it is that we have to take over the whole country, preferably with the infrastructure and day-to-day management apparatus intact.

            I would also prefer the Reagan Doctrine of rollback, instead of containment when dealing with foreign enemies.

          • ed

            I think those Europeans who are not explicitly with us should be considered outside the race, with the caveat that, of course, aligning themselves with us brings them into good standing.

            We cannot call on the power and prestige of western nation states or people. They are explicitly against us. We have to consider ourselves a tiny minority.

            From that perspective, attempting to take control of any of the territory of the United States seems like a poor plan.

            Again, I just wish Amren provided a forum more suited to this sort of discussion.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            If we don’t, we’re truly effed.

            Unfortunately, liability laws prevent AmRen from helping us in this respect. Their hearts may say “Yes, yes, yes,” but their lawyers say “No, no, no!”

          • ed

            If that is indeed the case, it is very disappointing. Do you know of any place that fills the role?

            I think we’d have more luck looking outside of the United States for a home. We are too hated in the US. Somewhere relatively remote and unoccupied, with good terms from the natives. Autonomy, and all that.

            I like the old Israeli principle of self-reliance. No non-European labor, or investment. We do everything, we own everything.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            The problem there is where? All the land is already claimed by one government or another. What I offer seems bleak, but we live in the world, and the world is thus.

          • ed

            There must be a government out there that would graciously accept an autonomous community of Europeans in return for some form of tribute. Taxes, food, whatever. We pay until the situation changes.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            We would then be colonists just like the Mexicans here. I would never do that to a host nation. I am no hypocrite.

          • ed

            If they have space and are willing to deal, who is hurt?

            What matters is our survival.

          • Sick of it

            There are many empty territories in Latin America just waiting for hard working Americans to come build something there. And you can probably pay off the government to leave you alone, unlike in the United States.

        • Nathanwartooth

          I would just love Jared to run for any office, just to try to get TV cameras on him.

          • http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

            He has had TV cameras on him and been on radio on numerous occasions. Although, the establishment is far less anxious to put cameras on Taylor than they are some idiotic Neo Nazi or skin head that they will be able to use to display to the world and say “see everyone? Look what idiots these racists are”. Nonetheless, he’s been featured more than once.

      • WR_the_realist

        Jared Taylor would make an excellent president. But he wouldn’t have a chance of winning a single primary, and would never win a general election. We are stuck forever with pod people as president.

        • http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

          It’s mostly our two party system that is to blame for that.

          • WR_the_realist

            The media is an important enforcer of the two party system. They won’t even cover alternative candidates. The “debates” invariably only invite Democrats and Republicans.

          • http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

            Yes, our media complex is heavily invested in the current paradigm, no doubt. But the parliamentary model has some structural, systemic tendency toward multi-party systems. Of course, it has its weaknesses too.

          • David Ashton

            We have a similar problem in the UK with a first-past-the-post system in which candidates have to have ethnic appeal to consitutencies with this or that ethnic group in significant numbers; also there is the question of funding. However, the US still has free speech theoretically guaranteed by government, although in both our cases mass-media access is difficult. The “people” of our continent are not generally hostile to white America, despite all the propaganda and negrophile entertainment media.

            The Eiffel Tower tribute to Nelson “How to be a Good Communist” Mandela or the ban on David Goodhart, who wrote a modest critique of immigration, from England’s famously English “book festival” at Hay-on-Wye, are examples of a ruling clique at work. Dislodging it is a problem, but we are working on it. Nil desperandum.

    • Athling

      I would be satisfied if JT was merely given the same attention and air-time as is given to black spokesmen.

      The diabolical situation is that the MSM has the attention and ability to shape and direct public opinion. You and I are keenly aware of this but the typical white person, busy making a living and paying taxes, has not a clue of the racially-based forces arrayed against him. He gets a steady diet of “white intolerance” and sensationalized white-on-black crime while the truth is all but hidden.

      I am eagerly awaiting the nationally televised debate about race between JT and Mr. Holder.

      • Winston Merryweather

        If the masses were exposed to the unvarnished truth about race in America it would alter our future dramatically. For example, suppose the media ran story after story on the negative aspects of amnesty for illegal aliens. Would politicians then be so eager to support it? No because they also bow before their media lords. Likewise, if attention was focused on black crime Sharpton and his ilk would be seen in a very different light.

      • David Ashton

        In some ways it is the second branch of government, and its managers and fundmeisters are the first. Washington and Jefferson had no conception of what would eventually befall “our posterity”.

  • TonyWestfield

    I was watching Holder on television as he said that the Zimmerman verdict prompted him to have a talk with his 15-year-old son. I halfway leaped out of my chair to shout at the television: “The kid is fifteen and you HAVEN’T yet had this “talk” with him?”

    The matter of “hate crimes” needs a long-overdue discussion in the full light of day. The life of the mind ought to be BEYOND the reach of the law; this principle is worth fighting for.

    In our honest discussion of race, I would ask any challenger to point to one example of a human space (a neighborhood, perhaps, or a town, a region, etc.) in which these two changes occurred at the same time:
    1. The predominately White population darkened (i.e., the proportion of non-Whites grew over time).
    2. The space grew safer, cleaner, more orderly, more prosperous.

    • WR_the_realist

      This may have happened once or twice where whites got displaced by Chinese or Japanese Americans. But replace “the proportion of non-Whites” by “the proportion of blacks and Hispanics” and your point certainly holds.

      • TonyWestfield

        WR, my use of “non-White” was bothering me. I went back to edit before I received your comment, but I played it safe and wrote “Blacks.”

        Your inclusion of Hispanics is more practical and correct, but lately I can hardly get a grasp on the meaning and scope of “Hispanic”: It makes less and less sense to me that a subset of Red Amer-Indians got conquered and forced to learn Spanish or Portuguese, then they blended with some Whites and they blended (no racial pride) with the imported Africans…but are we to consider “Hispanic” a race? Bottom line, it doesn’t much matter if it’s their DNA or their culture — we cringe when “Hispanics” or Blacks start to show up in places where we hadn’t seen them before.

        You hit the bulls-eye regarding yellow Asians. I’m thinking neighborhoods in San Francisco and NYC where Koreans or Chinese replace poor working-class Whites (or lousy non-working White hippies). One simple litmus test is real estate sales: Do homes change hands in both directions for Whites and Asians? Yes. But virtually NEVER do you see Whites buy a home from Blacks or Browns.

  • Spokker

    Don’t agree with everything Mr. Taylor says (mostly the IQ stuff), but he makes a very compelling argument here.

    I am concerned about the massively disproportionate amount of black crime in America today. Even as crime rates have decreased since the ridiculous highs of the early 1990s, those race gaps still persist. Liberal progressive policies, that basically amount to throwing gobs of money at the problem, have not erased these gaps. I would suggest some more market-orientated libertarian ideas to create economic opportunity in black neighborhoods, not more government.

    If Mr. Holder were to find out I posted this, and I was forced to defend myself from a black attacker, would I be strung up on federal hate crime charges as well?

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      Economic opportunity would not avail; O.J. Simpson was acquitted for slaughtering two people in California and later convicted for committing an armed robbery and unlawful detainment – the same as kidnapping – in Nevada. O.J. had plenty of money.

    • Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse

      I’m all for opening business opportunities wherever they may be, but you’re fooling yourself if you think blacks will take advantage of them and prosper. They’re not capable, or at least not nearly enough of them are.

      Think about this: the black market for narcotics is not only one of the proffitable industries in America, it is also the least regulated. Where it exists in the White population, large sums of money are made and for the most part the overall standard of living suffers little. In black areas, it can’t be done without massive violence and squalor.

      It’s all about the people involved. Blacks don’t have it in their nature to be civilised.

    • Nathanwartooth

      Here is the typical strawman for IQ:

      “IQ is said to measure intelligence, but intelligence is complex and you can’t measure it with one number!”

      Personally I think IQ needs to be renamed as “Intelligence quotient” is only partly accurate.

      Picture IQ not as intelligence but as just general success. A higher IQ on average means that you are less likely to commit crime, more likely to make good money and just generally be successful.

      IQ correlates with so many things it’s ridiculous at this point.

      When you start to view things this way, the world makes a whole lot more sense. Oh Africa is a hellhole? 70 IQ average. Japan is a nice place to live? 105 IQ average. It’s also been proven to be both genetic and environmental. But the environment isn’t going to magically make a person with a naturally low IQ into a rocket scientist.

      If you have any questions about IQ, I’m sure more people can help you out.

      In a true libertarian type environment, Blacks would still be on the bottom. There is nothing we can do to “lift them up”.

      • Joseph

        In a true libertarian type environment, Blacks would still be on the bottom. There is nothing we can do to “lift them up”.

        Sure we can – they expect to be carried.

    • http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

      So, despite the increasing achievement gaps despite more and more billions being thrown at addressing those persistent achievement gaps, you do not believe that there is a hereditary or congenital factor in general intelligence?

  • David Ashton

    A typically lucid and unanswerable essay by JT which, because unanswerable, is unlikely to be answered, at least with a rational argument. A futile exercise in one way, but absolutely necessary and valuable in another.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    I know that for me personally I refuse to allow any of these so called debates about race and possible racism. That I my self may enter into with other private citizens to be the one sided debates of the past which are always conducted through the eyes of black America. Many of the black people that I have gotten into a discussion about race with are dumb founded when I tell them that the real racist of today in this country look far more like you than they do me. Of course in the majority of their eyes, me simply presenting my side of the “debate” makes me a racist as far as they’re concerned. But ever since my conversion 6 or 7 years ago to reality based judgments concerning race in America. I’ve refused to allow it to stop me from holding up the metaphorical mirror to the face of black America. So that they too, can see what the face of racism looks like today.

    I only write this to ask all of you to allow Jared Taylor to inspire you to expose and stand up to the real racist of this country the way he had inspired me. The sooner more white people who refuse to be intimidated by the threat of being called or labeled a racist. The sooner black America will feel that the soil beneath their feet is beginning to shift. Forcing them to come to the table of racial discussion as equals, rather than the benefactors of an undeserved guilt complex. Forced upon all white Americans for no other reason than the fact that they were born with white skin. Contrary to what black America, the left leaning media and the disingenuous white liberals that aid and abet them. Racism, is not a white disease. Racism can and does come in many forms and many colors, it just so happens that today’s racism apparently prefers to dress in black.

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      Well said! The only issue I have with your statement is when you said that we should not be intimidated by being called or labeled a racist. While I totally agree with your premise, the reality is that being labeled can cause many a White person their career or job. The threat of losing our income is very intimidating. I am personally aware of one particular university student who lost her scholarship and was expelled from a major university because she publically stated that she was proud of her European heritage. It is the government sanctioned oppression, discrimination and persecution ( ex. Zimmerman) that hold back many Whites.

      • din_do_nuffins

        I’m more of a creepy azz cracka than you are, or ever can be, so leave Racism to the experts.

        I earned more continuing education credits for my N’rology Certification than you did today, so defer to my expertise and stand down.

  • http://independent-british-nationalist.blogspot.com/ British Activism

    An excellent de-construction of the mindset and rationale held by too many white liberals and blacks. Well done Jared, you really smashed it home on this one. We are all sick and tired of the false logic that accompanies these kinds of events, and you greatly expose the nonsense for what it is.

  • Spartacus

    Dear Mr. Taylor,

    Stop wasting your time trying to have an “open” and “honest” discussion with blacks, on any subject. They are incapable, both intellectually, and morally, of such a thing. In their underdeveloped brains, there exist only 2 notions – “Whitey gibz me dat” and “Whitey raycis if he don’ gib me dat” .

    You’d have better results talking to a tree stump. Re-posting this again, as a sample of black “thought”:

    • budgreen

      Notice how they won’t go after white MEN. Guess they figure babies won’t fight back. Fuc*ing cowards.

      • Spartacus

        Well, you never know…

    • David Ashton

      Genocide, Engelman?

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Holder is the thanks we get from Obama for getting past race and electing a biracial president.

  • sbuffalonative

    This morning, c-span2 was airing the Holder speech. What a chilling exercise is racial rhetoric.He’s going to watch, monitor, and vigorously respond to any challenges to the rights of black people.

    Holder isn’t the Attorney General of the United States. He’s the Attorney General of black people and he so much as admitted such.

  • jimj

    The Attorney General is known as the “top cop”. Yet he teaches his son that the police are the enemy? How does he keep his job?

    • dd121

      Because we have a racist president who won’t fire him.

  • Antipodean WN

    We need a real debate and real honesty over why Western countries over the past half century have had their traditional values, their long held truths, and cherished conventions go down like ninepins. And the group that caused all of this to happen was not blacks or hispanics.

  • panjoomby

    that was truly an awesome post, Mr. Taylor. Honest & brutally succinct – well-done!

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    Who was that “Doctor” David M. Israel anyway? That was one of the strangest things I’ve ever seen. I’ve got stuff in the metal furnace and have been watching the temperature, so I’ve stayed up all night, and that flash-in-the-pan argument was peculiar.

    • sbuffalonative

      He seems to have a stereotype about white people being ignorant rubes.

      He’s a lightweight. His arguments are trite and easily dismantled.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        You were already here in late 2003 or early 04 when I got started in the forum here, but that was just weird.

        • sbuffalonative

          He’s one of those hit and run trolls.
          He thinks he can win an argument by focusing on a perceived inconsistency or isolated statement. It’s an old Alinski tactic of the Marxist left.

  • CJ Haze

    After the OJ verdict (I know this has been brought up ad nauseum, but bear with me), race was put on the back burner. The Rodney King/LA Riots (once again, bear with me) depleted a lot of this country’s sympathy reservoirs. Guilt — ‘white guilt’ — was at a low. The OJ verdict drained what was left.

    Even if you disagree with my premise, you can see that post-Trayvon/Zimmerman trial, the 18-year re-stocking of white guilt is draining at record levels. Mr. Taylor consistently takes the unorthodox — as he states — view on race, but others are joining in; others in the media at least.

    When white guilt is removed, people can have that “honest discussion about race” that Mr. Holder seeks. But who will be the audience?

    Race, gun laws, injustice; these are all salient points to be discussed after the trial. But the biggest thing I take away from it is manipulation. There are large groups of people — from all walks of life– that are misinformed concerning this case. I don’t think all of them are stupid. I think they were manipulated. How and why they were manipulated, well, that’s a discussion we also need to have. Manipulation divides us and I, in my 36 years, cannot remember a more divided America in my lifetime.

  • wmhoad

    Why do you Ameren people insist on spouting your racist statistics?

    • CJ Haze

      What do you mean?

      My question pertains to racial statistics, not your glaring typo.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      Because they are the truth, and we will live or die by the truth. I am a scientist and engineer by training, and when I cannot have the truth, expressed in numbers, I would fall upon the fallible emotions you rely upon.

    • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

      Because when you get blamed for something that is not your fault you have a natural tendency to defend yourself.

    • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

      Thank you for noticing race-ist statistics. Which statistics would you like to disprove?

    • sbuffalonative

      Please tell us what racist statistics you’re referring to.

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      Obviously the truth hurts. As Jack Nicholson once said “You can’t handle the truth”.

  • silviosilver

    “I would be pleased to present the evidence for this at a mutually convenient time and place. Indeed, there are many subjects we could usefully explore in the name of the honest discussion we both desire.”

    How about a Beer Summit?

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      I suspect we Amrenners did quite well. Hard watermellon cider summit here at Casa del Miguel Scott no later than 18:00 hours Mountain Time.

      • dd121

        I live in Aurora, be right down.

        • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

          Take I-25 south to the Woodmen exit at about mile 151. Head east on Woodmen. Turn right onto La Madrina and then immediately left onto Hatch. It is 2563 Hatch you’re looking for. The confusing vegetable garden around front is the cue you’re in the right place.

  • storibund

    I’ve been encouraging everyone to send as much “information” to the tipline as possible.

    Creativity is key here.

    • silviosilver

      Damn, that’s a fantastic idea.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      Use pay phones not near your home.

  • William Allingham

    I just arrived from studying a few months in Germany and during most of the time I stayed there I wasn’t able to open the main page of American Renaissance, I thought it was something wrong with my laptop but as soon as I left Germany and connected to the internet I was able to open it (it has been blocked!).

    I said most of the time because my first weeks in Germany I was able to access Amren normally but its as if they could monitor my personal activity in the net and decide to interfere. I don’t know how they do that, they must be investing a lot of money and technology to stop information from flowing freely.

    I wouldn’t expose myself to ridicule if I wasn’t sure of what I’m saying.

    By the way it was just the main page, because if I opened an specific article or news i was able to see it (so I had to trick the system in order to keep up to date).

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      Big brother is everywhere!

    • Andy

      Coming to a place near you!

    • IstvanIN

      Germany is not a free country. The Federal Republic is much freer than the old GDR, but far from free when it comes to speech, political association and thought. From the German PC crowd, to the tribe, to the US occupational forces, Germany is much more tightly controlled than the US (for now).

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        Germany is still suffering from a massive hangover from earlier days. Give them time.

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          Oy Vey.

          How much?

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            They don’t like it anymore than you or I do. But as to the timeframe, who knows?

  • silviosilver

    I think you’ll find whites around here are tired of treating black people’s racial interests as more important than their own racial interests.

    Shouldn’t they be sick of it? Why should they waste their lives serving black interests when society refuses to extend them even the courtesy of recognizing their white peoplehood? Instead society scoffs – from officialdom on down – at the very notion that white people even exist, much less that they possess white racial interests. Whites would be fools to continue playing nice in the face of such anti-white outrages.

    • WR_the_realist

      The reaction to the Zimmerman verdict has convinced me of one thing: The mass media and the elites want me dead. I owe them and their favorite races and ethnic groups nothing.

      • ms_anthro

        Indeed. They will hate us and try to kill us no matter what we do, so we might as well earn their hatred. I am undisguisedly pro-White now and will remain so until the day I die. We must defend ourselves or we will be genocided out of existence. They have left us no other choice.

  • JohnEngelman

    Let us start with your recent comments before the NAACP, in which you said that the verdict compelled you to have a talk with your 15-year-old son about how to deal with the police.

    - Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, July 18, 2013

    It is easy to deal with the police. Don’t commit any crimes. Don’t look like a criminal. If you are questioned by the police answer politely. If you are frisked by the police, let them do it like I do.

    Responsible black parents should tell their children that virtually the only threat to their safety comes from black criminals.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    He seemed to have approximately the right idea.

  • Creepy as a cracker!

    I also believe that in Israel they have a problem with black African illegal immigrants. Israel recognizes that this is a problem and is doing everything in their power to rid themselves of the black menace.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    I am wondering about how “Doctor” Dave would care to explain the absolutely vile exchange we heard in Colorado Springs between an Arab renter and his wife on his way to work this morning. He ran back into the townhouse to beat her up some more, so I screamed out the window, “Don’t ever let me hear you hit that woman again!” It isn’t my job to protect Muslim women, but my ex-father treated my mother poorly, so I had to take him down a few times for it, and I still can’t stand a “man” mistreating a woman. The Arab bravely skedaddled in his car while I was yelling out the window. It sounded like he wrecked it a few hundred yards from here. I sure hope so.

  • http://www.awpn.net/ Celestial Time

    If you give them even an ounce of respect and expect honest and rational dialogue from people who are obviously intellectual and moral inferiors, you’ve given them an ounce too many.

    What you see today from people like Holder and the rest of the self-anointed eternally oppressed is the best it will ever get from them. They don’t have the right moral make-up to right themselves from words alone. A lie always needs another lie to survive. It’s pretty much an unwritten rule that a foundation of lies and deceit has to exponentially expand in order to survive. Truth is mostly static. It is self-sustaining and doesn’t have a need to gobble up fresh meat for the grinder. A lie, on the other hand, can’t survive without more and more decent people being sacrificed for their integrity, both morally and intellectually. This is why it is so easy to predict that the Leftist scourge will begin to devour its own at breakneck speed. They have nowhere else to turn for their sacrificial lambs to fuel their lies.

    Looking forward to the New Independence Day.

  • Creepy as a cracker!

    Excellent letter but I seriously doubt that Mr. Holder will have the courage to send a written reply.

  • Creepy as a cracker!

    As I was walking into a business establishment yesterday, I held the door open for a black couple that were a few feet behind. Not only did they not thank me, they looked at me with hate and disgust. I guess they missed the lesson on “respect” that they so often espouse.

    • din_do_nuffins

      You should have just avoided all contact. Your life was in danger, so next time, act like it is.

      • Creepy as a cracker!

        I avoid them as much as possible. Unfortunately total avoidance is impossible.

    • HJ11

      Why would you hold the door open for them. Let them try to figure out themselves–it might have kept them out.

      If any of them ask me for directions, I go out of my way to give them wrong directions.

  • Creepy as a cracker!

    The thought police are going strong in the USA. This is no longer the “land of the free”.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

    This thread was in desperate need of a good vacuuming.

    At the AR Moderation Academy, the course on distinguishing genuine and bona fide dissent from blatant trolling is a 400-level course, and it’s one that really separates the men and women from the boys and men. “Dr. David I.” was easy to make as troll.

    • Anan7

      Many of my comments were deleted. I don’t think I said anything threatening or harassing.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Moderator

        True, but deleting the troll necessitated deleting all the responses to the troll.

        • MrGJG

          It seems to me we’d be better served allowing some of the knuckleheads to post, thereby exposing their stupidity to the fence sitters.
          I realize it’s your house, your rules, just offering my .02. I’ll lose no sleep either way.

          • sbuffalonative

            I know what you mean.

            I like to ‘debate’ these people on our ground. I want to know what they say and how they think. Knowing their tactics and rebuttals, it’s easier to counter their arguments and less likely to get blindsided by their off-the-wall distractions and misdirections.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            Limited bandwidth, don’t you know.

    • sbuffalonative

      Pity. I was having fun.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        Weren’t we all?

    • silviosilver

      “This moderator suspects that “Dr. David I.” was someone of similar ideological stripe to ourselves playing games.”

      The avatar selected gave it away a bit. Pity the responses to him were deleted. Some were quite good.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      You took him down before I could have at him! My ethernet at work just came back up after being down for two days and I didn’t have to drop a few bombs on him.

      And I was all in the mood to have a little fun…

      Bon

      • ncpride

        Don’t worry, Bon. He was smacked around pretty good by the regulars on here. You would have been proud!

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          I had a comment especially prepared for YOU but directed at that idiot. It went something like this:

          NC Pride: you do realize you are dealing with a sick anti-White psychopath when you engage with “David I.”, don’t you? These people are too sick to be able to recognize their pathological hatred for White people.

          There is no trying to reason with psychopathic anti-Whites, they are by definition impervious to thinking…

          But, you did great and handled yourself really well!! sbuffalonative too — great post from Samuel Kudos to you both!! I just wish I could have joined in…

          Bon

          • ncpride

            Thanks, but I owe any debating skills I have to all you fine folks here at AmRen…. I’ve learned from the best!

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        It was fast and furious.

      • Romulus

        Im sorry I missed all the fun. There is nothing that I love more than arguing with a liberal.

        • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

          It wasn’t much of an argument. He waded into the deep end of the pool and discovered it was full of crocodiles.

  • Tom_in_Miami

    “How about the strong white males from Amren reach a helping hand out to young black males in an attempt at mentorship.”

    How about the strong black males from America reach a helping hand out to young black males in an attempt at mentorship. Whites can’t be expected to remedy the black pathology of the ghetto (and suburbs). We already do more than our share with our taxes to fund the plethora of programs for young black thugs in training.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Oh Whitey I hates you cause you be so evil to me! Please move back into my city an start pay me my repusrayshun money in the form of taxes Whitey! If you don’t maybe I riot! I hate you whitey! Gibs me money!!!!!

  • candide

    Mr. Taylor wants to discuss racial differences with Eric Holder. This is not the way to go. Blacks do not behave badly because they are less intelligent or less capable. Behaving well is not an intellectual faculty; it is a socially learned thing. Blacks used to be taught civilized behavior, largely in family and church. Now they have no real families and do not attend real churches, only racially agitating conclaves led by men like Jeremiah Wright.
    Blacks will get respect when they behave in a respectable manner. IQ has nothing to do with it.

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      I partially agree with your post and respectfully disagree also. The nuclear black family has disintegrated as you have pointed out but genetic differences also play a huge factor in black behavior. It is a combination of cultural, familial and genetic issues.

    • http://saberpoint.blogspot.com Stogie Chomper

      No, IQ has a lot to do with it. People with lower IQ’s seem to lack judgment and less ability to resist impulses. I believe black crime is largely a result of IQ, but you are correct that the culture also plays an important part. In decades past, blacks were far less dysfunctional than they are now, because there is no longer any shame in being a loser, and no social or legal consequences either. A much stronger culture helped keep them in line, because it provided consequences for bad actors.

      • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

        Nice blog you have. I’ve already added yours to my own blogroll.

        • http://saberpoint.blogspot.com Stogie Chomper

          Thanks! I will reciprocate, if you provide the link.

        • http://saberpoint.blogspot.com Stogie Chomper

          I added yours to mine as well.

    • Funruffian

      From a scientific and psychological angle IQ has a bearing on predisposed violence. Consider non-Blacks with mental retardation and they are more placid than the average non-Black. So having a low IQ would not apply to them in terms of determining the likelihood of violent outbursts. Blacks, on average, just happen to be less intelligent and more violent.
      Now in regards to Black DNA and their violent tendencies, their IQ limits them from curbing their instincts, because they are less adept at think conceptually. They fail to consider consequences of their actions. They understand immediate punishment, whereas Whites and Asians ponder their impulses and its ramifications.

      • beyond partisan

        You clearly don’t know any blacks personally, otherwise you wouldn’t say this. And by personally, I mean, have been friends with, hung out with, ate dinner with, etc. Not that you’ve “worked with” blacks but actually got close to one.

        • silviosilver

          I just don’t understand why anyone would want to waste his time being “friends” with blacks, or with anyone outside his race (I mean, substantially outside it, not just mildly different). It requires you constantly filter out the stream of negative data and keep reaffirming to yourself what a good person you are having all these other-race friends, but at the end of the day what do you get for it? Are cross-racial friendships better than friendships of the same race? Hardly. At best they’re equal. But I believe they’re inferior because at no point can you honestly say to your friend, “You and I, pal, we share something really important in common, don’t we?” You can try to say that, you can fake it, but in your bones you don’t really believe it. Whereas with someone of the same race you don’t have to fake it; it’s genuine. (Same ethnicity even more so, but it still works with same race alone.)

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Holder wants an honest discussion about race like the pope wants an honest discussion about the existence of god.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      Holder wants docile whites as stage props, to give the impression that an honest “discussion” is being held. The troll this morning discovered we’re not docile, and we’re quite well educated.

    • IstvanIN

      There is a huge difference between debating whether God exists and the issue of race. It is impossible to prove God exists but it is also impossible he does not. Just as we can not prove where the universe ends or, if it does, what is on the other side. Somethings are just not knowable with current technology.

      Race, however, is an observable phenomenon. We can prove racial differences through genetics, bone structure, brain size, skull shape and just plain observation. We can also back up our arguments with statistics: crime statistics, IQ studies, studies of current and past civilizations and achievements, and probably more I can not think of right now.

      He doesn’t want an honest race discussion, that is what he doesn’t want.

      • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

        It is possible to prove that any person who claims god exists is a liar, making a claim that is as much a lie as them claiming they have won the lottery prior to the drawing ever taking place.
        It is also possible to show that those who promote this black victimology nonsense like Eric Holder are liars, for those claims are contrary to the facts, not consistent with them.

        • IstvanIN

          With all due respect you can not prove I am a liar because I believe God exists. On the other hand you could prove someone is lying about winning the lottery by asking to the the ticket or some other proof they won. Very dopey comparison.

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            Claiming there is a god is as much a lie as claiming there are aliens on Pluto. If you do not know something to be to, claiming it to be true is a lie.
            “It is an established maxim and moral that he who makes an assertion without knowing whether it is true or false is guilty of falsehood, and the accidental truth of the assertion does not justify or excuse him.”
            – Abraham Lincoln

          • IstvanIN

            My apologies, I missed the word “prior” in your first post.

            I still contend having faith and lying are two different things. In fact believing somehting to be true without concrete proof, such as there must be life elsewhere in the Universe, which many believe, is very different than lying.

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            Believing the odds are good that there is intelligent life elsewhere in the universe is both rational and honest. Stating for a fact that it exists, prior to knowing it exists, would be a lie. The very reason a belief in god requires faith is because there is no knowledge of any gods which means every person out there claiming god exists is in fact a lair for they have no grounds to be making such an assertion.

          • IstvanIN

            I have always wondered why atheists are so hostile. Makes we wonder how sure they are.

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            And I always wonder why theists have to exaggerate and go off point so much.

            By the way, I don’t claim there is no god, I claim that your claim that there is, is without merit, not that it has been proven false.

          • Romulus

            Believing in odds is not proof but theory. Atheists are a curious bunch of dummies. All things that exist in the physical realm of even the milky way galaxy conform to a known set of laws that cannot be deviated from in order for life to exist at all. Any simpleton should be able to figure that out. Example, must have a yellow sun, with a planetary body a certain distance called the habitable zone, a moon to stabilize rotation,high quality liquid h20, and of course DNA. If according to the known laws of physics and organic chemistry, that ecru action has an equal and opposite reaction and organic compounds plus a yellow suns Energy produces life, then that LAW must true anywhere in the universe for life to exist. Any speculation of life that exists outside this paradigm is science fiction not fact. Atheists don’t believe in God as a being. So what. The singularity,the source,the force, the higgs-boson particle, what the he’ll ever!!! All those descriptions all amount to the same thing. Why shouldn’t life be a miraculous creation even if their are billions of other planets. Do these fools really believe capn Kirk is going to fly them there?!! Please!!! Im with you on this one. The only issues I have with it, is that the people of my faith still haven’t been able to come IP with one unifying system of all it’s denominations.

          • Romulus

            Excuse me for going off topic, I felt it was warranted.

          • IstvanIN

            I won’t be around to see it but I believe the Bible and science will one day converge. I mean, is “and then there was light” just another way of saying “big bang’?

          • Romulus

            My sentiments exactly. I also have no illusions about how are peoples belief system came into being,however. I don’t see an infrastructure built around any other “faiths” of European people that will have a unifying effect for all. I might be one in a thousand people of the cross that can reconcile our peoples original animism and science with the faith. Speaking only for myself, of course. I’ll fight for our racial consciousness however a person believes.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            They can’t converge. Before Planck Time, science breaks down, so God Saying “Let There Be Light” is as good an explanation as any other.

          • IstvanIN

            Looked that up and it far beyond my understanding. But don’t scientists measure the age of the Universe in years since the big bang? Probably not a discussion for this forum.

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            One who believes nothing is closer to the truth than he who believes what is wrong. Thomas Jefferson

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            Atheists simply use proper reasoning. We reject a belief in god for the same reason we reject a belief in leprechauns.

          • Romulus

            Proper reasoning!!? Don’t make me laugh! I don’t believe a a guy in white robe is going to fly out of the sky either. That does not mean that existence isn’t still miraculous. Atheism has done nothing but be deconstructive to the sacred. All their piety has enabled humanity to turn societies into entropic decay. Nothing matters at all except desires humans wish to fulfill. You surely don’t believe that kumbaya is going to unite humanity, do you?
            If nothing else, a belief system agreed upon by a select population that offers guidelines for living that conform to natures laws has a wonderful stabilizing effect. It prevents the sewer of decay all around us. True, that there hasn’t ever been a model of uniformity within any of the worlds major religions, but the only other thing that will unite our people is blood. We’ll see how that turns out. Im optimistic.

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            Faith is dishonest and therefore immoral. The most religious countries in the world are always the most corrupt, intolerant and backwards and the countries with the highest levels of organic atheists are the most modern, peaceful and stable countries in the world.
            Morals, which are simply the rules of group co-operation, need no foolish superstitions to back them up.
            Atheism is common sense at it’s best. It’s an objective stance that consciously avoids letting personal desires get in the way of proper reasoning the same as what science strives for. It is no coincidence that all theists are death deniers for that is the purpose of religion. It’s an escape for those who are unwilling to face their own mortality honestly.

          • Romulus

            So,from your world view the gigantic global toilet is a result of immoral religious people!!!?? Nothing has steered the course of this modern trash heap than science not religion. All of the decisions that have been producing massive environmental, social decay can be tracked backwards to forward thinking liberals. As most scientists are. Im not going to debate the merits of science or religion on this board. Perhaps you should find one more your liking. We can agree to disagree. Hopefully the muzzies will help you change your mind as their power increases exponentially. It matters not that you believe in nothing. They are unified, we are not.

          • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

            I once actually mathematically demonstrated that there very likely is intelligent, industrialized life elsewhere in the galaxy, but due to travel times, we will never meet any. There won’t be any space wars, but also no peaceful contact.

            What humans have are a handful of other apes that can can manage sign language, but we can’t even begin to communicate with dolphins yet.

          • IstvanIN

            I have seen calculations in science magazines. I agree, finding and interacting with intelligent life off the earth is not likely because of the vast differences involved. It would be interesting. Heck, microbial life on Mars or on a Jovian and Saturnian satellites would be fascinating.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            There might not be any contact.

            For a long time, we all thought that our standard radio broadcasts were gradually spreading throughout our slice of the galaxy, exactly one light year per year, and that with each given year, the ball of three dimensional space over which our broadcasts have reached gets bigger and bigger and encompasses more and more stars.

            As it turns out, the problem with that theory is the law of inverse squares. Radio broadcasts, or any electromagnetic energy for that matter, gets weaker the farther you are or the farther you get from the source. SETI, the credible alien hunters, (who haven’t found any evidence yet, to demonstrate their credibility) have figured that a common Earth-based radio broadcast fades out and becomes extinct (indistinguishable from the regular noise at those frequencies that the universe naturally makes) from anywhere between one and two light years from Earth, which means it wouldn’t even make it to Alpha Centauri. This actually has ramifications for the day in the distant future when we have the technology to do interstellar unmanned probes: How do we engineer them to get signals and data back to us that won’t become extinct on the way home?

            The reason SETI still bothers looking for ET “out there” is because it’s still possible that a very powerful directionally aimed radio message would last a lot longer and travel a lot farther; indeed, we have sent such signals in the recent past. The hope is that some intelligence way out there has used exoplanet hunting technology (like we’re starting to use) and looked in our direction, and inferred a terrestrial planet in the Goldilocks Zone around that insignificant very very average very easy to overlook star we call “Sun,” and then measured that planet’s spectra and found life sustaining elements, and then aimed a powerful radio message in our direction.

          • Romulus

            Abraham Lincoln was a Christian. Did you somehow miss that little tidbit?

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            My earlier views of the unsoundness of the Christian scheme of salvation and the human origin of the scriptures, have become clearer and stronger with advancing years and I see no reason for thinking I shall ever change them.
            — Abraham Lincoln, to Judge J S Wakefield, after Willie Lincoln’s death (Willie died in 1862)

            The only person who is a worse liar than a faith healer is his patient.
            — Abraham Lincoln

      • Romulus

        That was an excellent comment. It is mind boggling to me that liberals have a violent reaction to that very statement when I’ve posed it to them.

        • David Ashton

          I do not think WNs should use too much time squabbling about whether or not the entire cosmos, the evolution of life on this planet, and the human brain that thinks about it all, are designed by a supreme being. Noah’s imaginary ark is another matter. Racial variety exists as a fact, and there is a case for the sort of eugenic improvements to which Christians have no reasonable moral objection. “The best are ever divided; the worst are ever united against us” (Oswald Mosley).

      • Sick of it

        Don’t forget differing biochemical responses to pharmaceuticals, differing immune responses, etc.

  • Luca

    The road to hell is paved with good intentions. White people have been trying to uplift blacks in every way possible for countless centuries and all to no avail. At what point shall we stop beating our heads against the wall and face reality?

    We have tried Reconstruction, segregation, desegregation, welfare, training programs, affirmative action, rehabilitation, grants, school busing, fair housing, subsidized housing, lower college admissions requirements, hiring preferences, food stamps, gang intervention…and the list goes on and on.

    The same black problems found in 1963 can be found today only worse. Violence, poverty, high crime, low grades, high rate of STD’s, high rates of incarceration for repeat offenders, illegitimate births, school drop outs, drug use, alcohol abuse, etc. etc. ad nauseum.

    No matter where you go in the world you find these almost exact same problems only worse. In Africa you can add cannibalism, superstition, bigamy, pedophilia, famine, and endless tribal warfare and slaughter.

    At some point you have to say “This is not working”. Unfortunately, it is the Leftists and those idealists with good intentions who ignore the evidence that perpetuate this travesty. The mental and verbal gymnastics they go through to promote them as victims and to excuse their bad behavior is appalling and counter-productive.

    All dregs of society should be purged and cast out from society via deportation or incarceration and that’s it. But it is the ACLU and other like-minded Leftist organizations that keep us mired in this endless cycle.

    • WR_the_realist

      Don’t forget midnight basketball! Strangely, that idea didn’t work either.

    • Sick of it

      You’ll find pedophilia, including homosexual pedophilia, in American black communities as well.

  • http://saberpoint.blogspot.com Stogie Chomper

    Concise but excellent analysis of racial problems in America. There seems to be no solution to black dysfunction, and no way to end racial animus, particularly that of black to white. The only strategy I can see right now is to (1) separate yourself physically from blacks to the greatest extent possible, and (2) buy a gun and learn how to use it, for self defense only, in the event you are unable to avoid black crime and violence, and are forced to defend yourself.

    • Antipodean WN

      As Mr Taylor said in a recent interview, black hostility towards whites is entirely understandable given the relentless anti-white propaganda of the MSM.

      Having being brought up most of their lives to believe that virtually all of life’s problems and lack of achievement are not through lack of effort or ability on their own part, but all because of whites, then the amount of racial hatred and violence we see is hardly surprising. So in the end, I don’t really blame blacks as a group. I blame those who lie to both blacks (and whites) about supposed white wickedness in keeping non-whites down. I blame those who control our mass media, who instigated half a century of destructive social and immigration policies that have brought us to this point. I blame the same group who were responsible for the slaughter of 20 million white Christians in Europe. If we don’t name and go after the root cause of the problem, all this debating will be just a whole lot of huffing and a puffing.

      • Romulus

        Even if we out the “deceivers” ye spake of, it still will not fix the problem of racial hatred, no matter which races we are discussing. Evolution moves forward not backwards. From the point of origin(the savannah) you can NEVER go back!! Once humans became different, they’ve remained that way. You cannot make one race of people out of what has evolved. Two ethnic groups occupying the same geographic area, that are equal in number, cannot share power!! One or the other will be the majority. Somebody has to rule and someone will be ruled. That IS the actual problem. America will balkanize further!!!

        • Antipodean WN

          you completely missed the point of my post.

          • Romulus

            No, I understood what you were alluding to. I just wanted to add to the discussion.

  • Puggg

    How such a biased, hateful cipher ever became AG is beyond my comprehension

    Not beyond comprehension. The biased hateful cipher that “we” elected President (twice) appointed him.

  • Andy

    If white men mentoring fatherless black kids could help, I’d be all for it.

    The problem is that race differences are largely genetic. There is no question of blacks, as a group, assimilating to mainstream American culture. Mainstream American culture is white culture, and comes from white genetic heritage. Our country needs to work toward a system that takes our innate differences into account and sets up livable societies for all groups.

    • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

      Even if white men mentoring black kids would help, I’d still tell the groids to roast in Hell. I already have a family.

  • ncpride

    The black race……. forever the White mans burden, eh? No thanks, we’re quite done with that nonsense.

  • Joseph

    Taylor: “Does that mean I have forfeited my right to defend myself against a black attacker?”

    Holder: “Yes, by being born white.”

    End of honest discussion on race.

  • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

    If Eric Holder was honest in his honest conversation about race, he would confess to the following:

    * He wants black people to be totally exempt from criminal law

    * He, like many mulattoes, thinks that if he can’t be purely white, then nobody else should be, either

    * He and his mulatto milieu want to displace whites as the dominant ruling force in white countries and the entire world for that matter. The civil rights movement wasn’t as much about fairness as it was about mulatto blacks displacing whites as the rulers of blue-gum blacks and the country as a whole.

    • Romulus

      Yes, that’s it. I’ve said as Much many times. That statement more accurately represents the legacy Martin plagiarist king’s “dream”

    • MBlanc46

      And turn the US into something like Haiti?

  • Funruffian

    Holder is just bluffing when he says he wants an honest discussion. He’s toiling with people’s fortitude, and in doing so, he thinks he can expose racism in our country. That is a weak and disingenuous way to coax people.
    Jared is completely upfront and forthright and knows holder would avoid a debate with him.

  • guest

    You also tell Blacks, Hispanics, Arabs, and Asians that White people are represented in American life as well, do you not?

  • Anan7

    This man is the teflon Attorney General. Nothing this man does, no matter how evil, no matter how incompetent, sticks to him. He sells semi-automatic rifles to Mexican drug cartels, kills untold numbers of Americans, and all he gets is a slap on the wrist. Anyone else in this site would get perjury charges.

    That this man is still in office is a testament to just how corrupt and *evil* the US Federal Government has become.

  • Nathanwartooth

    Wow, I never really thought of it like that.

    ISPs have been gathering your web browsing data for some time now. So the NSA doesn’t even have to do it.

    They said they were doing it to catch “pedophiles”. But like the war on drugs, they use any excuse to violate our rights.

    Maybe I should start using the TOR browser and claim I reformed, haha.

    • ms_anthro

      It wouldn’t matter if you did a complete 180 and became Quanell X’s personal assistant. That’s the whole point of anarcho-tyranny. They will use any excuse, no matter how flimsy, to persecute you as they see fit. If one doesn’t exist, they’ll just make it up. The Bill of Rights was designed precisely to protect us from anarcho-tyrants like Holder and his gang.

  • Dale McNamee

    Jared,
    Don’t hold your breath while waiting for a response that you won’t get from Eric “my people” Holder…

  • Creepy as a cracker!

    Exactly and this is the rule now in the work place rather then the exception. I said “knickers” while conversing about golf with a coworker of mine. Well guess what? I was accused of saying “ni&&ers” by a black employee who was standing nearby. I was put through the wringer. I had to submit to sensitivity training and I was told to choose my words a little more carefully in the future. I would have been terminated if not for a company vice president that was also nearby and he went on record to say that it sounded like I said “knickers”.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    Taylor isn’t expecting to convince Holder of anything. His goal is to sway thoughtful whites who have been unable to integrate orthodox liberal racial beliefs with what they witness on a daily basis in the real world. AmRen, and sites like it, allow whites a coherent understanding of racial issues and a rational defense of their interests.

  • BernieGoetzFan

    You are asking us to help the people who are raping, robbing and murdering us. As it is, many whites gives trillions of dollars and unlimited amounts of time to helping blacks (though blacks never offer a cent to helping whites).

  • dd121

    I think that maybe Holder REALLY doesn’t want to talk about this.

  • dd121

    Guarded at work, yes. That’s why it feels so liberating to come to AmRen and speak the unvarnished truth.

  • DailyKenn

    Zimmerman was no racist. But what if he were? Do racists not have the right to defend themselves simply because they hold unpopular views?

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      Apparently not in the USA. Brother Holder has said that Whites have no right or constitutional protection to be racist!

    • Romulus

      All other races (ists) can except whites!

  • Glickstein44

    How about the strong white males from Amren reach a helping hand out to young black males in an attempt at mentorship.

    But is that not what Zimmerman did, mentoring black youths? And look at what that has gotten him.But i am glad you stated that as such for it begs the question…How are we to be judged as “racists” should we find ourselves defending ourselves from a black attacker.Will the prevailing authorities take it into account the good things we may have done for blacks or will that not matter if it is found we have written but one post on Amren or any other pro White site…I know the answer,do you? Who was it that said,”No good deed goes unpunished?” or words to that effect…

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    I just tell the LEAs to go eff themselves, and I provide anatomically correct details. I’ve already been to prison, and hate both city cops, county sheriff’s deputies and the FBI which had earlier threatened me with extra-legal punishment lied under oath to have me held without bond. My answer now is always “Go (blank) yourself!” I wonder what they thought they were going to get back out when they sent me to prison.

    If I saw a cop bleeding out on the sidewalk, I wouldn’t kick him in the head, but I’d walk all the way home and cook a nice dinner and not call it in. That’s someone else’s job and not mine.

    One or more of the CSPD called in a false report on me to BATF back in 2011, and I pretty much know who one of them is. I hate them for the walking excrement they are.

    • Sick of it

      I’ve been told by lawyers that the best thing to do is to say absolutely nothing but that you plead the 5th over and over again. The moment you say anything else, they can claim you made a statement.

      • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

        My statement is blank you in your blanky blanking blank.

    • Frans

      Why’d you go to prison?

  • ms_anthro

    And that is why you need to find the most unscrupulous attorney you can and sue the bastards. Sue them for anything you can think of and then some. Turn the tables and put them on the defensive. Corporations fear lawsuits, even spurious ones, so start suing. At worst, it goes nowhere and you wasted your time. At best, you made them think twice about participating in this unchecked fascism against Whites. It starts with each one of us.

    I have seen a reduced social circle and lost a few business opportunities because of my views, which I’m open about. But I sleep well at night knowing I’m doing my small part to chisel another crack in the foundation of anti-White tyranny. If enough of us fight back, the will have no choice but to back down.

  • MekongDelta69

    I’m really glad you (Jared Taylor) have an outlet with which to speak, even though (unfortunately) you will probably never get a chance to get syndicated and go national.

    Of all the things I’ve been trying to tell people, you mentioned the most important one (of many).

    To wit:
    It does NOT matter to race hustlers and their Leftist enablers, what other crimes of which you are accused – or EVEN if you DID commit them – as long as you are not a racist.

    To them – that is the greatest crime of all…

    • Antipodean WN

      you will probably never get a chance to get syndicated and go national.

      Yes….and I suppose you can blame blacks for this as well, right?

      Because it is blacks who own and control all the major media outlets in this country?

      And it is blacks who control the entertainment industry that promotes interracial ‘love’ and miscegenation? Right?

      Just attacking blacks, and pointing out their shortcomings is, in the end rather pointless, and won’t get us far. Some of the posters on this board seem to enjoy indulging their feelings of racial superiority, rather than pointing out and fighting the real root reason whites all over the world are under attack.

      To paraphrase a great hero of mine: If one defends the tribe responsible, and their
      organizations that control so much of our society, he is an enemy of our people. He who minimizes the problem, is also an enemy.

      • MekongDelta69

        “It does NOT matter to race hustlers and their Leftist enablers…”

        Learn to read more thoroughly before you rant-post.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    Bring it. At age 47, I’ve wanted this half my life.

  • DonReynolds

    In my family we have a bit of common wisdom that might be useful to others…..
    It is much better to be tried by twelve, than carried by eight.
    I believe this is true.

  • Dave4088

    Holder’s actions and comments on the heels of the Zimmemran “not guilty” should send chills down everyone’s spine. If there is no evidence that Zimmerman is a racist or even uttered statements that could be construed as such, but he can still be tried for hate crimes, then where do you think that leaves people like us?

    We now have a Soviet justice system whereby the state can prosecute a white person for legitimately defending themselves against non-whites based on past comments, Facebook and blog posts that might be deemed “racist” by a diversity star chamber.

    • ed

      We’ve got to get out of here before the real persecution starts. We need a home of our own, an ethnostate, and we need it now.

      • Dave4088

        Agree 100%, but that’s easier said that done. And our problems won’t stop with an ethnostate. As long as D.C. draws breath it will place it’s military power in service to gunboat multiracialism for white people and will direct that force against any white ethnostate that comes into being.

        • ed

          I figure the first step is to figure out our strength. How many of us are there world wide, what skills do we possess, what monies, what influence. We need organization before anything else is possible.

      • Romulus

        I am sorry, but i must diasgree. I simply cannot abandon my homeland! I will make the ultimate sacrifice for our people and country, if left no choice. Besides, where will you go that you wont encounter the same problems? There are now 7.3 billion people on earth!
        I applaud Mr. Taylors invitation E.H. To have an honest discussion on race. I doubt seriously that he will accept. So, lets keep up the fight and awaken as many people as possible. There is strength in numbers.

        • MBlanc46

          We have no where else to go. We either fight for our way of life here, or it’s lost.

          • Romulus

            For the record, Bugs and the looney toons are hands down the greatest animated characters ever!
            Just had to mention that.
            Many Americans I observe appear to exhibit the thousand yard stare. Like their hollow inside. I don’t just a get a little misty on the 4th and patriotic for a day. I can feel our history and ancestors in my bones. Love of Country and ones people is tantamount to our survival.

          • MBlanc46

            Sure couldn’t disagree about Bugs.

  • jeffaral

    I think it’s high time to leave politeness aside. We could start by addressing Mr Holder like ” listen you fuc&$# ni%^$& bast^&%.

  • Randall Ward

    holder really enjoys his position and likes rubbing the noses of whites in it, to get a little bit of his hate out. But he only gets to get rid of a little hate. Soon he will be gone from office and we will still be here, working every day and being productive for our families. We will always be here, by the grace of God.

  • din_do_nuffins

    Avoiding Diversity is a racist construct.

    Mixing with Diversity is a masochistic suicide mission.

    Long live a racist construct.

  • JDInSanDiego

    And also when they asked Mark Fuhrman if he ever used the N word.

    • SFLBIB

      Wasn’t that amazing? Just because he used a particular word 10 years prior, it over-rode all the DNA evidence found at the scene, in OJ’s house, and in his vehicle. “Reasonable doubt” obviously has a different meaning to some people.

  • Bob

    Only in a criminal’s government would Holder still be the head of the DOJ with all the BS he and his people have already pulled off. Oh I forgot…85 average intelligence quotient, the head criminal (avg.85) thinks he is doing a great job.

  • Sick of it

    So people were horrified when they located a Bible or something? rofl

  • fishmonster

    What a fantastic letter and so true…Eric Holder is a bigoted and hypocritical racist given to wide distortions in the truth. Please see his comments before the House Of Representatives where he has been held in Contempt of Ccongress.

    • lily-white

      one thing about this administration that is consistent is that it does like to play that race card… over… and over… and over…

  • Sick of it

    Internet Service Providers. TOR is an encrypted version of Firefox that makes it harder for the government to connect data to you specifically and they must decrypt it if they ever do.

  • Sick of it

    Well, we have liberals openly advocating white genocide, so the leap is a short distance. Even if they don’t get violent, we may mix ourselves out of existence at the rate things are going (15% of newlywed couples in 2008 were mixed!? More than half of couples are living in sin these days).

    • JohnEngelman

      What you call “white genocide” is nothing more than requiring white Gentiles to compete economically and academically with non whites and Jews.

      If you want to know what “genocide” really means ask a Jew.

      • Sick of it

        #1 I’m talking about an open call for murder of white people on the part of liberals. Thanks for obfuscating.

        #2 A lot more white people died during WWII than Jews. You can argue whatever you want, but it’s obvious that you don’t have the same interests that we do.

        • JohnEngelman

          In addition to being the most superior racial group in the world, Ashkenazi Jews are Caucasian.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        Perfectly happy to fairly compete against anyone. But having to compete against third-worlder H1b visa holders from India and China for jobs in my own country is not fair. American IT workers being thrown onto the streets by cheap imported labor is not fair.

        It sort of equates to genocide against white workers who can no longer support their families, or even form a family for that matter.

        • JohnEngelman

          H1b visa holders ended my computer career. Nevertheless, I have no hostility against them, but against the white and largely Gentile plutocracy that has enriched itself at the expense of America’s middle class.

          What I regret is the hyperbole that often exists on this website. Genocide is what happened to the Jews during the Second World War. Race displacement is what happened to the American Indians.

          What is happening to America’s once proud middle class, while unfortunate, is not as serious as that. It is happening with the full support of the Republican Party.

          • David Ashton

            “Largely Gentile”, a phrase more significant than you realise.

      • David Ashton

        Who could no doubt cite a few examples from the “Old” Testament.

        The UN General Assembly on December 9, 1948, defined “genocide” as “acts committed with the intent to destroy in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such”. The USSR had managed to eliminate the inclusion of “social” and “political” in the definition.

  • Talltrees

    If we continue to be silenced because of fear, we are complicit in our demise.

    The European student mentioned above should have sued the university. This is abominable discrimination. Haven’t we learned anything? The left always sues. Whites do nothing.

    This is why we need a White civil rights organization. Would all of you here donate to it?

    • ncpride

      Would I donate to it? In a New York minute!

    • David Ashton

      Called a Free Speech Fund, not an “Aryan Defense Union”.

  • http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

    Eh, he has debated people of Holder ilk, and on numerous occasions. Do a youtube search guys…

  • beyond partisan

    While I agree that our DOJ should not be arresting people simply for having an offensive opinion, I find your opinion offensive. Let’s say blacks are scoring lower in IQ tests. I would submit it’s probably the environment – poor nutrition, fluoridated water (shown to lower IQ), and a host of other factors. I seriously doubt there is a black “stupid” gene. You are also thinking much like a collectivist. If you had actually any close black friends in your life, you would know how smart and gentle they can be. Stop judging the whole by the behavior of a few.

    • gemjunior

      Collectivist? That’s so funny. Why don’t you read a little about human biodiversity before “submitting” the “host of other factors” you’d prefer to believe. I used to prefer to believe them too, until the big fist of violent black male crime hit me across the face one day for sitting across from him in the same subway car. There are many books available right here on this site – I’ve enjoyed reading many of them. Most people who comment on here aren’t judging the “behavior of a few”, in fact the close black friends who are so smart and gentle are the ones who are the few, and it’s due to the admixture of white in there.
      Peddle your scrambled brains elsewhere. Either that, or educate yourself. No one will agree with you because unlike yourself we have done pretty extensive research on the matter. Try the DOJ Crime statistics just to start off.

      • beyond partisan

        You just displayed a prime example of collectivist thinking. You have one black male hit you and suddenly you hate all of them. Would you automatically hate all white people if one white guy hit you? That is an irrational response to one idiot acting like a jerk.

        • IstvanIN

          I suggest you take a walk in Camden, at night, by yourself, in a short skirt.

          • beyond partisan

            Not only have I been to Camden, I was born there. And I’m white. Guess what…bringing up Camden doesn’t disprove anything I said above – which was that *poor environment* could be the cause of the lower IQ scores. Poor environment also includes heavy metal toxicity sometimes found in poorer areas of town, which are sometimes closer to factories. Now, please respond to my main point – do you or do you not at least *consider* there might be environmental factors at play here?

          • IstvanIN

            OK. I am sure they are not doing as well as they could if they had parents and discipline, but for the most part they are not as smart as anyone else, except Australian Aborigines. They are simply, without whites to guide them, regressing to their natural, native state. Rather like dogs, which can be trained to do all sorts of wonderful jobs, but when left to their own devises go back to being wolves.

            PS: I could show you pictures of Camden when it was white that would make a normal white person cry, the city was so beautiful at one time.

          • beyond partisan

            Well, right now, you aren’t showing yourself to be any smarter, by constantly side-stepping my main point. Let me reiterate my point to you: Will you at least acknowledge that the *environment* and nutrition might be a factor, not coded genetics? I’m not even disagreeing on the IQ scores quoted above, I am disagreeing on the *cause* for them!

          • beyond partisan

            Here, I’ll help you out here…water fluoridation + iodine deficiency seems to result in reduced IQ…this could in and of itself explain the lower IQ scores: you’ll find this info at fluoridealert dot org

          • IstvanIN

            A gang of black thugs killed two teenage white men in the parking lot of a Golden Corral in Jacksonville, Florida. Go peddle your fluoride baloney to their parents. How often do poor, fluoridated whites do that?

          • jane johnson

            Four scumbags have been arrested for the Bohannon brothers’ murder, and I was shocked when the mugshots showed one of them to be white! Even though he wasn’t the shooter, I think he set the whole thing up: either at the behest of his black thugbuddies, or even worse, to impress them with fact that he would betray fellow whites for their benefit. Either way, I hope the A.B., has a very special welcoming committee waiting when the wigger gets to prison.

          • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

            Water is fluoridated in a lot of places. Yet it only seems to affect blacks.

            Lead paint was taken off the market in 1978. Yet, it only seems to affect blacks.

            All your hobby horse environmental explanations have been picked a part more finely than a vulture at a carcass.

          • WR_the_realist

            Fluoridation is largely a result of municipalities deliberately putting fluoride in water. What evidence do you have that this happens any more often in majority black cities than it does in majority white cities? What possible reason do you have to believe that blacks are any more likely than whites to have an iodine deficiency? You are grasping at straws. as liberals generally do on racial matters.

          • silviosilver

            It’d be nice if environment were the only factor determining group differences. It offers the hope that all we need to do is manipulate the environment and, presto, group differences vanish.
            It’s been tried for over fifty years now. The hard data suggests genetics are major contributing factor.

            I don’t believe this means blacks can’t improve their lot. No one’s asking them to become geniuses; people just want them to cease being such assholes. Whatever they do, though, whites should certainly not be forced to pay the price for black failings – as the anti-white system demands. That’s nuts, it’s immoral, and it’s got to end.

          • HJ11

            You seem to have a fixed idea that even though the different races look different in their external characteristics, they are somehow all identical in their brains. I remind you that the brain is just flesh and it can be as different as the external flesh that you do see.

          • ms_anthro

            Is the African continent suffering from the effects of water fluoridation too? What about Haiti? Last I checked, Africans behave like Africans everywhere they settle on the planet, no matter the state of their water supply. The mental contortions anti-Whites and other reality-deniers go through to support their own denial are hilarious. You are too far gone to be reasoned with, a true believer.

            How sad for you but on the plus side, take heart: we don’t consider you White, so at least you have no reason to feel guilty anymore. You are absolved of your White guilt by virtue of having betrayed your White race. Enjoy living in savage squalor with your pets. You’ve earned it.

          • Ella

            I’ll agree that environment (including prenatal nutrition/care) does have an impact BUT we can never really measure IQ effects due to confounding variables. How often does Mom smoke or drink during pregnancy to start? I think having an ABSENT father or coming from multiple broken relationships (homes) have a negative impact on intellectual growth for children. Also having a high number of siblings can effect IQ of each child. How can Mom really have time to spend with each child for daily lessons if she has constant distractions from 4-6 kids and/or close together in age???? Then no father to help??? Anyone with a brain knows that environment and genes play off each other……life will never be fair period.

          • David Ashton

            May I intervene here, as someone who has taught blacks and whites in Britain, and who has studied the “race and IQ” issue from all sides for several decades. There is a bell curve overlap. One finds very bright black people, but relatively less often than whites.

            As said before, the cleverest teenage pupil I ever taught was a girl from Nigeria, ladylike and capable of writing flawless essays off the cuff in a beautiful “cursive” (!); she went on to study physics at Cambridge. She was very “black”, though not especially prognathous, and her surname suggested that she had some white ancestry. But she was a truly remarkable exception. Black youths, especially Jamaicans, were and are mostly very different indeed in “brains and behavior”. There are both genetic and cultural reasons for this, and they interact.

          • HJ11

            Show us your stats indicating that the cause is environment. I’ve actually reviewed entrance test scores of hundreds of people in the military, including those with full college educations and those with no high school. Among those I reviewed were Black military reservists who are NFL players. The scores I saw were among the lowest of any group that I saw, including White high school dropouts. This, by itself, is not proof, but it shows a trend and a pattern that is not inconsistent with other results in more controlled studies.

          • HJ11

            Let me add that I’m not a fan of I.Q. tests,and I say that as a member of MENSA and another organization that is ofted called Super Mensa (which has no connection with the former org). I subscribe to the notion that there are many kinds of intelligence and that most I.Q. tests are not testing many of them.

          • silviosilver

            “I could show you pictures of Camden when it was white that would make a normal white person cry, the city was so beautiful at one time.”

            Are these photos online? Do you have a link to them? I would very much like to see them.

          • David Ashton

            In Britain we are often told by leftists that we are “guilty” (sic) of “nostalgia” for an England that “never existed” (sic). Now some of us can remember quite clearly both the bads and goods of life in the 1950s, and we have family memories, photos, films and publications that keep it all on record. When a multicultural, especially Islamic, transformation takes place in a relatively few years, as has happened to my own “homeland” in the London Borough of Waltham Forest, for instance, the contrast is beyond question.

          • Andy

            Khoisan people, pygmies, African blacks, and some island populations also have lower intelligence than American blacks.

          • Evette Coutier

            If poor environment is the cause of low intelligence, then have been from Camden, you must therefore have a low IQ. That is your logic.

          • MekongDelta69

            “*poor environment* could be the cause of the lower IQ scores”

            Obviously you don’t have any clue that Europeans of every stripe (Irish, Italians, Jews, Poles, Germans, etc., etc., ad infinitum) lived in piss-poor NYC ghettos when they first arrived. Each and every White group who came over here made it with out any outside help and without becoming a ‘perpetually oppressed grievance group’ looking for a handout. [Besides, there were NO handouts given at that time.]

            I could give you so many other reasons, your avatar would melt, but then I’d be contradicting myself when I tell other people ‘not to feed the trolls.’

          • Andy

            The studies do not bear that out. Rich black children score lower on tests than poor white children. In transracial adoption studies, black children’s IQs improved very slightly or not at all when adopted by whites. In twin studies, heredity has been shown to have a much greater effect on IQ than environment. I suspect that poor nutrition and environment exacerbates group differences, but the evidence points to genes as the main factor.

          • HJ11

            Putting too much weight on environment to excuse Black pathologies would be like saying that it is the environment that keeps plough horses from running as fast as race horses.

            Race is to human as breed is to horse as variety is to rose. Nature doesn’t engineer different organisms to be equal; it engineers them to compete for survival, and this means it builds in differences.

        • http://countenance.wordpress.com/ Question Diversity

          You behave like “collectivist” is some sort of insult or pejorative.

          I take it as a compliment.

          BTW, you aren’t related to Mike Vanderboegh, are you?

        • Andy

          You’re right. It would be irrational to say “all blacks are violent” or “most blacks are violent” because one black punched you, just as it would be irrational to say “all blacks are non-violent” or “most blacks are non-violent” because you have a peaceful black friend. The statistics show that blacks, on average, are more violent than whites. The rational response, of course, is not to hate all blacks, but with the statistics being what they are, to avoid most black neighborhoods and black-dominated events, and not to be surprised when every group isn’t arrested and jailed at the same rate.

        • MissBonnie123

          All White people today are blamed for anything wrong White people in the past may or may not have done even though White people alive today had nothing to do with many issues they are being blamed for. I don’t notice any Liberal/Progressive condemning
          these ideas as collectivist thinking.
          The Liberal/Progressive ideology on race is actually irrational.

          • silviosilver

            All White people today are blamed for anything wrong White people in the past may or may not have done

            Whites are blamed for the present as well as the past.

            But imagine society ceased blaming whites, for both past misdeeds as well as present. Imagine tomorrow the NY Times headline blared “WHITES NO LONGER TO BLAME” and repeated variations of this message with the same consistency as it today invokes “racism” and lauds immigration for years and decades. Would that necessarily entail a sort of WNistic “racial revival”? By itself, I think not.

            Why should someone who previously either didn’t mind the presence of blacks or positively enjoyed that presence when he thought whites were to blame for blacks’ problems all of a sudden feel repulsed by the presence of blacks now that he understands whites are not to blame after all? There still needs to be case for why anything should be “done” (in a WNish direction) about race.

        • HJ11

          To know the general ways of any distinct people, simply check the statistics.

          Furthermore, not every shark will attack you in the ocean, but most people will get out of the water when sharks are present–because what do they have to gain being around sharks in the first place, so why risk it? Where’s the payoff for one personally in risking it? There is none.

          It works that way with Blacks. Check the statistics. And, what does a White have to gain by being around any Blacks at all. Why risk it? Where’s the payoff for one personally in risking it? There is none.

          • silviosilver

            And, what does a White have to gain by being around any Blacks at all. Why risk it? Where’s the payoff for one personally in risking it? There is none.

            If only it were that simple. The fact is some people – some, not all – really do find a payoff. They feel they’ve successfully overcome their ethnocentrism and, in some vague way, made the world a better place by “bringing it closer.” WNs dismiss this as sentimentalist bullshit, but that doesn’t change the fact of people’s feelings.

            WNs are on safer territory by pointing out that there isn’t anything necessarily evil about ethnocentrism, and that while it’s obviously possible to “use race as a weapon” whites are by no means the only people susceptible to this tendency. Moreover, ethnocentrism is also highly pleasurable, and WNs may well be right (I certainly think so) that it’s a necessary component of human flourishing. As an analogy, you can’t have rape (genocide) without sex (ethnocentrism) but that doesn’t negate the pleasure and necessity of sex (ethnocentrism).

            Opponents’ most potent claim is that WNs really do seem hellbent on fomenting racial hatred. I’m not opposed to “WN” per se, and I can well understand WNs’ anger, but I can’t help but agree that “WN,” as it exists on forums like Stormfront or VNN or even here on Amren, would turn the clock back on intergroup relations a hundred years. For me, there has to be another way forward.

    • Evette Coutier

      Do you have any citation of research that supports the claim that low intelligence in blacks is environmental? You need to get data about blacks across the entire world to account for their consistently lower intelligence even when living in identical environments. The issue you face is that when environment is taken into account, the only factor that explains low black intelligence is genetics.

      • David Ashton

        I am tempted to put a relevant list of scientific publications to support JT on these matters, but John Engelman will just tell us that this means we have lost (not won) the “argument”!

    • WR_the_realist

      Blaming low black IQ on fluoride is bizarre. White people are just as often using water supplies that are fluoridated as black people are. I have well water and use non-fluoridated toothpaste, but any black person could reduce his fluoride intake if he chose to do so. In the town I used to live in there was a large black population. The town water was not fluoridated. But the overwhelmingly black and Hispanic schools were in the bottom of the rankings on academic performance, as such schools are all over the country. Black children in upper middle class families score lower on SAT tests than white children of working class families. So much for the “nutrition” theory. A long term study was done of black children adopted into upper middle class white families. By the time the children were in their teens their average IQs matched that of the blacks in the area, not the IQ of the adopting parents or their biological children. Really, the people who try to explain away the black-white IQ disparities solely on environmental effects just haven’t bothered to look at the data.

      In an ideal world everybody would be judged as individuals. There are indeed intelligent, law abiding, and morally decent black people who would do quite well in that world. From what I can see such black people are already doing quite well. But the fundamental axiom of the left is that if there was no racism then all races would do equally well in all areas of life. If blacks are 13% of the population then 13% of all professional mathematicians and physicists would be black. (Also, only 3% of professional mathematicians or physicists would be Jewish.) Blacks would make up 13% of all lawyers. (And again, only 3% of lawyers would be Jewish.) We’d have to have fewer black boxers and more Jewish boxers. And so on. No place on planet Earth do we see anything like that. Everywhere you look, if you divide people by race and ethnic group, you see different groups going into different lines of work and succeeding at different levels. Leftists who say they want to treat people as individuals are liars. They always use aggregate results, which outside of sports are always negative for blacks, to beat white people over the head and accuse of us racism. If no actual skinheads can be found beating up innocent black people, we are blamed for “institutional racism” and “white skin privilege”, which are non-falsifiable charges. Leftists invariably treat people differently dependent upon which group they’re in, which is why they’re such advocates of affirmative action and racial set asides. And why, when a black man shoots a white man, it is local news, and nobody riots, but when a mix raced Hispanic man shoots a black teenager in self defense the mass media makes it national news, makes the shooter an “honorary white”, and incites blacks to violence with a nonsensical tale of an evil white racist stalking an innocent black boy and murdering him in cold blood.

    • Romulus

      This medium isn’t designed for Africans consideration. Whites have been seeing through their eyes for well over a hundred years, to feel empathy and compassion. The death of half a million white boys during the civil war should be payment enough. This site is for our perspective.

    • Andy

      There were IQ gaps well before we fluoridated our water. There isn’t a black “stupid” gene. There are lots and lots of variants of lots and lots of human genes – and life in Eurasia selected more strongly for those that boost intelligence than life in Africa or other places. That does not mean that there are no “smart and gentle” black people. It means that the proportion is smaller among blacks than whites or Asians because for years whites and Asians have had to be smart and gentle if they want to pass on their genes.

      I’m sorry you find this offensive, but it is still true and pretending otherwise will not erase 70,000-odd years of divergent evolution.

    • Skip Wellington

      You could set the example by moving to South Chicago, North Long Beach or South Los Angeles. In these Diversity Zones I believe you could find smart and gentle friends. These diverse friends could give you deep insight into human behaviors that you have yet to experience.

      You need not feel anxious, because you have no ill-will for blacks.
      Pack your bags and go – don’t be a rayciss.

      • MBlanc46

        I know that many AmReners have had considerable experience with blacks. I lived on the South Side of Chicago with many black neighbors. That’s the principal experience that put me on the path to race realism. Alas, I’d wager that beyond partisan will continue making her baseless claims and simple-minded accusations.

    • MBlanc46

      Before you start submitting things, perhaps you should actually look at the empirical data and the analyses (twin studies, adoption studies, etc).

    • Jack Burton

      You probably enjoy having blacks as your friends because you’re their mental equal. You can’t tell they’re not smarter because you yourself are stupid, as is easily shown here in your fallacious reasoning.

      Taylor is judging them as a whole, you dimwit.

      Even poor Whites score higher in IQ than poor blacks, and poor Whites score higher than blacks with higher income. Furthermore, even when matched for similar IQ blacks are more criminal than Whites. It’s genetics.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    $PLC successfully sued someone who had written things online. Some hothead killed an Ethiopian or whatnot and the writer lost his home.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    “Personally, I have decided that the most dangerous blacks we have in our society are the tiny percentage of them who have learned to ‘act white’”

    But there will always be blacks like that. It’s not necessarily a “con act.” What we merely need to point out to whites willing to listen is that, the bell curve being what it is, there will always be some blacks who fall at the high end. That doesn’t mean all or most blacks meet white standards. In fact, the vast majority don’t. Yes, I know it makes the conversation more difficult, but no difficult issue in life is all cut and dried one way or the other.

    • anarchyst

      It’s no different than those of the “tribe” that pretend to be white while doing all they can to stab whites in the back with their support of “multiculturalism” and “diversity”

    • WR_the_realist

      Precisely. Some people here seem to believe that all black people are stupid and all are violet. That just isn’t so. There are black mathematicians and physicists. Not many, but they do exist, and do competent work. They will always be trotted out by the white liberals as “proof” that there are no average IQ differences among the races. Just because our opponents can’t understand the concept of statistical distribution doesn’t mean that we should be that ignorant.

  • puffdaddy

    Bravo and amen

  • Antipodean WN

    Jared Taylor on the White Voice:

    “If we wanted to teach blacks to hate white people, we would educate them in precisely the way we do……….If you were told over and over again, everything that goes wrong for you….its those people over there that did it to you….how could you help but hate those people over there….its almost surprising that there is not more hatred of whites… “

    Obviously blacks hate, largely because they truly believe that whites keep them down, oppress them.

    Now. Who told them that? We need to fight the root cause.

    By evading the issue of where the problem really lies, Amren becomes part of the problem, and diverts people into pointless debates on IQ, testosterone, and head size.

    • silviosilver

      There isn’t any one root cause. Human affairs are never quite so simple.

      Now, I really don’t care if you – you personally – want to blame it all on Jews. That’s your choice. But it will be your loss. The reason is it’ll become your one answer to every issue. You’ll resort to it for every explanation. You’ll attempt to inject into every conversation. And not one in one thousand people will take anything you say seriously. If you’ve made it this far it’s clear you have the passion, the fire, the burning desire to make a difference. I can hardly think of a surer way to dissipate it than banging on about Jews for the rest of your days.

  • Antipodean WN

    Even though Amren avoids the Jewish problem, the leftists and msm hates us all the same.
    So we might as well be open about the Jewish problem.

    • silviosilver

      Two reasons for avoiding it are that it’s grossly overstated and that it has a perplexing tendency – oversimplification that it is – to overwhelm and drown out all other considerations. Many websites and organizations that have gone in all guns blazing on the issue come to regret it.

      • David Ashton

        Very wise. You put a complex consideration very succinctly. It is not a case of being afraid to “name the enemy”. It is a matter of understanding accurately and thoroughly the historic nature of the “enmity”.

  • David Ashton

    As an English retired teacher I sympathise with your position. I often wonder if my pension could be retrospectively affected because of my opinions, which I can nevertheless defend rationally and “morally”, and of course people like me can be dismissed as literally on the way out anyway. All our “British” institutions have been subject to “equality and diversity” totalitarianism.

    But a small beginning is better than nothing. One victory in court can set a precedent – Zimmerman in his bullet-proof vest may or may not have been a case in point. As I have said before, the New Century Foundation should comb through all the previous posts and note all the constructive suggestions. Meantime, a few patriotic lawyers should get together.

  • Antipodean WN

    There you go….just had my comments on our favourite tribe deleted….Amren’s position on Jews as analgous to the SPLCs on blacks….ie both groups can do no wrong.

  • Hans Schneider

    excellent letter !

  • Reverend Bacon

    Jared: I wrote the same thing, recently, albeit less eloquently. The notion of hate-crime laws are antithetical to freedom of thought and speech. Apologists claim that if one doesn’t commit an actual crime, one needn’t fear prosecution for the thought crime that goes with it {they phrase it differently, without the Orwellian term}.

    I too worry about forfeiting my rights to self-defense simply because I have observed that most of the population from whom I would likely to defend myself are of the exalted demographic. I post here and elsewhere as a character in Tom Wolfe’s novel. I haven’t chosen to subject my family to the ostracism which would accompany the revelation of my true identity.

    If someone were to break into my house, or attack me on the street, it is almost certain that such identity would be revealed. That is, if I were the survivor of such an encounter. So the state has turned what should be a very simple calculation– essentially, if you rationally fear for your life, end theirs instead– into a ridiculous multi-dimensional problem. What are the odds that if I kill this guy that my life, and my family’s life will be essentially over at the hands of the blacks and their liberal enablers? What are the odds that if I just give this guy what he’s asking for, he will kill me anyway? What if he’s just playing the “Knockout Game,” where my death or dismemberment is the objective? How badly should I allow him to hurt me before I kill him? Is it even possible to get hurt badly in this encounter, or will I go straight to unconscious or even dead? The calculus goes on.

    And while the calculus goes on, one is hesitating. This gives criminals- black criminals uniquely- an advantage. An advantage which could cost one one’s life.

    There’s your open dialog, Mr. Holder. By even having such tyrannical laws, you are tying the hands of law-abiding white people everywhere. Please, Mr. Holder: Let “My People” go.

  • WR_the_realist

    We don’t all drink fluoridated water (I don’t), it depends on whether you’re using town water and whether your town fluoridates the water. But of course white people drink fluoridated water just as often as black people do.

  • beagal

    “acting White”
    I remember years ago, reading an article about young blacks participating in performing classical music. They were called “oreos” by other young blacks.
    Is there something wrong with a person pursuing something they like?

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      Personally, I’d rather see no blacks involved in what are white cultural practices and such. The problem is that too much white culture has been highjacked already. Imitation is flattering, I suppose, but the extremes we are reaching in every sense of it, integration has become appropriation.

  • Easyrhino1

    Terrible example of an AG.

  • vladdy1

    I am so sick of the whole subject. Can’t they forget for even one day that there are different races and they often don’t get along? That’s all it is. Y’think if a white man had been on top of Zimmerman beatin’ him to death, Z wouldn’t have pulled his gun? Pulease. And BO is disgusting, to ignore the Zimmermans and pander to Martin. One sentence “Of course, the Zimmermans have suffered, too” would have made all the difference. That amount of purposeful fire-up-the-troops conversation is evil.
    I find myself leaving politics alone for days at a time because I can’t stand the Big Lie repeated over and over. This IS America 2.0. I don’t know if I’ll be here to see 3.0.

  • ncpride

    Excellent post. I don’t recall having seen you post here before, but wish you would more often!

    • http://independent-british-nationalist.blogspot.com/ British Activism

      Just something I tapped out on my tea-break at work, so I did not have my log-in details handy – hence B.A. Thanks for the support!

  • anarchyst

    You won’t recognize me. My name was Antonio West and I was the 13-month old child who was shot at point blank range by two feral black teens who were attempting to rob my m…other, who was also shot. A Grand Jury of my mommy’s peers from Brunswick GA determined the teens who murdered me will not face the death penalty…too bad I was given a death sentence for being innocent and defenseless.

    My family made the mistake of being white in a 73% non-white neighborhood, but my murder was not ruled a Hate Crime. Nor did President Obama take so much as a single moment to acknowledge my murder.

    I am one of the youngest murder victims in our great Nation’s history, but the media doesn’t care to cover the story of my tragic demise, President Obama has no children who could possibly look like me – so he doesn’t care and the media doesn’t care because my story is not interesting enough to bring them ratings so they can sell commercial time slots.

    There is not a white equivalent of Al Sharpton because if there was he would be declared racist, so there is no one rushing to Brunswick GA to demand justice for me. There is no White Panther party to put a bounty on the lives of those who murdered me. I have no voice, I have no representation and unlike those who shot me in the face while I sat innocently in my stroller – I no longer have my life.

    So while you are seeking justice for Trayvon, please remember to seek justice for me too. Tell your friends about me, tell you families, get tee shirts with my face on them and make the world pay attention, just like you did for Trayvon.

    If this does not help you realize that blacks are not human, I don’t know what will. The non-response from “decent” blacks is sickening . . .

  • White Mom in WDC

    I like Amren. I respect Jared Taylor. Sorry, but talk is cheap and the time has past for words. Deeds not words. Discussion? A waste of time. Besides, there is never a ‘discussion’ with a black person, they just rant and rave and want you to agree. Smoke, mirrors, empty suits.

    How about this:

    Dear Mr Holder:

    Kiss my white girl butt.

    Signed

  • anarchyst

    The “prosecution” (read “kangaroo court”) did it’s damndest to convict Zimmerman. . .that being said . . .
    One must understand the defective pathology that exists in the minds of almost all urban underclass blacks. You see, “young master trayvon felt “disrespected” for being asked what business he had in that community. (Any ordinary civilized person would have stated that he had relatives there and would have been on his way). His only possible response (due to his defective black pathology) was to pummel and murder Mr. Zimmerman. In this way, he would regain his “respect”. If “young master trayvon” had been successful in murdering Mr. Zimmerman, it would not even make the evening news. It would definitely not be reported as a “(racial) hate crime”.
    Mr. Zimmerman is being railroaded at the behest of the race apologists, poverty pimps, and race hustlers. The prosecutor should be brought up on charges of malfeasance of office for charging Mr. Zimmerman. . .without convening a grand jury. . .

    Why is the so-called “news media” so intent on persecuting George Zimmerman?? It is evident that Zimmerman was “jumped” while heading back to his car and that the “thug” trayvon got what he deserved . . . the urban black “underclass” has a disdain for education, finds “disrespect” under every rock, does not know what REAL “respect” is, and is generally a “menace to society”. The sad part is that the few “decent” blacks out there make “excuses” for the feral black “underclass”. trayvon was “casing houses” NOT going to the store to buy “skittles”. Trayvon was walking between houses, not on the sidewalk . . . he was “up to no good”. Any civilized person would have answered the neighborhood watch guy that he had been visiting relatives, but not trayvon. . . trayvon’s feral underclass upbringing led to his demise . . .

    Look at the flak Bill Cosby received for pointing out the dysfunctionality of his own race. It’s no wonder, no decent people want to live around them or associate with them. Yes, it’s a shame that the many decent blacks get “lumped in with the garbage, but if the decent blacks SPOKE UP against their brethrens’ dysfunction, they might gain credibility. The poverty pimps and race hustlers must be run out of town; they do nothing but cause trouble for decent blacks . . . and the rest of us.

    Here is a message for all you racial “apologists” for minority “bad behavior” . . .
    It is apparent that you have never lived around or experienced the typical urban feral black. I hope you never have to as they would “eat you alive”.
    The black “underclass” is REAL.
    If you want to “expand your horizons” and experience “authentic black culture”, travel the mean streets of Detroit, South Chicago, Gary Indiana, Atlanta or other “refuges” of “authentic black culture”, preferably at night. I would prefer that you go unarmed, as this will add to the excitement of your “adventure” . . .
    Your outlook on what you now consider “racist” will change in a hurry. You will find that minorities (especially blacks) are “racist to the core”.

    “saint” trayvon was a thug, casing houses, looking for trouble. Looks like his feral black upbringing did him in. Look at that whole trayvon “family” . . . human garbage at its finest. . .they already hit the “racial lottery” with a million-dollar “settlement” from the “homeowner’s association”. How many people are unaware that they did not report their “son” missing for three days?? I am sure that his “family” was aware of “young master trayvon’s” criminal activity, benefiting from trayvon’s criminal activities themselves.

    As far as I am concerned, Zimmerman made his community safer by “taking out the garbage”. . .

  • dd121

    The discussion that Holder and Obama want to have with whites on race is: bend over, hands on you knees and confess your racist sins. From the various discussion groups I’ve browsed on the internet, I think a lot of whites may be getting tired of being called evil racists.

  • Oldcorporal

    An excellent column, Mr. Taylor. I agree with you 100 percent. I hope you have Mr. Holder’s e-mail address so you can send him a copy directly. No doubt he will be happy to meet with you for a debate on the subject, before an audience. And God didn’t make little green apples, and it don’t rain in Indianapolis in the summertime …

  • Lop_Eared_Galoot

    Keeping in mind that every time we make ZImmerman one of us, we play the game by their rules. And everytime we remain silent about the ‘low level race war’ going on in the U.S. between Blacks and Hispanics, we create a condition by which they can focus on us -together-.

    Whites should have instantly and irrepressibly made it clear that the racial dispossession going on is between Hispanics moving in and Blacks getting kicked out of _ethnically cleansed_ neighborhoods.

    Because that is what would have heightened racial tensions by PROPERLY redirecting them. At other groups than us.

    By doing this, whatever happened to Zimmerman, Blacks and Hispanics would know that they could not count on each other nor upon unconditional acceptance of their victim act by Whites who saw through their poseury.

    If Divide et Impera no longer applies, then neither does the notion that to be my enemy’s enemy is to be my friend. Just keep fighting and I’ll let you slaughter each other to my own people’s convinced belief in your mutual depravity.

    Finally, I would suggest that people would also be well advised to remember ‘the other two rules’ of Roman politics:

    fac et excusa Act and Find Excuses
    (Displacing the blame for failure to a scapegoat)

    Si fecisti, nega If you did it, Deny it!
    (As plausible assertion of innocence before others claim guilt by silence)
    We should not be herded by Blacks using our own psychological strategies and understandings against us.
    Repeat after me: WE did not attack Trayvon Martin. WE do not /care/ that a Hispanic named ‘Zimmerman’ did.
    It is as simple as that.

  • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

    I already know I’ll never have a good job again, so I’m not afraid of unemployment.

  • Harumphty_Dumpty

    I don’t want to hear bullcr@p from pro-Whites about how we aren’t allowed to speak our part of the conversation on race, while we pro-Whites are turning our backs on a glorious opportunity that the Obama administration has offered us to broadcast our views from the White House itself!

    For nine months the Obama administration has allowed us to publicly display our STOP WHITE GENOCIDE petitions on the White House’s petition site, where each month we’ve posted as many as 7 petitions that explain in various ways that ALL White countries and ONLY White countries are being flooded with millions of third world non-whites, and whites are forced by law to integrate with the non-whites so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.

    Those petitions have become a regular feature at the site each month and have been reported on by major media.

    But we could do so much more! Google White GeNOcide Stalwarts and find out how you can help with just a few minutes on the FIRST day of each month.
    ——
    White GeNOcide Stalwarts

    • Talltrees

      I have been signing the petitions every month; however, the low number of signers is pathetic. Could it be Whites don’t go to that site for obvious reasons?

      • Harumphty_Dumpty

        Thanks very much for signing, and if you could remember to sign them on the FIRST of every month, that’s an especially huge help. Getting the initial 150 sets of initials that make them visible is very hard. The Stalwarts were created to overcome that blockage.

        We have 89 Stalwarts now, and I send an individual email reminder to each of them after the petitions are submitted at midnight the last day of each month.

        Thanks for helping!

        As for reasons for people not wanting to visit the White House site, I can’t think of any good ones. Anyone willing to post at a pro-White site should be equally comfortable going to the White House site, I’d think.
        —–
        White GeNOcide Stalwarts

        • Harumphty_Dumpty

          Join in the national conversation on race. Google

          “White GeNOcide Stalwarts”

          and click on the top hit.

  • RIN0Huner

    Stay away from downtown areas today. Big Al’s Rent-a-riot has franchised itself out to 100 cities today and it will probably be unsafe for whites to be within 5 miles of the locations.

  • http://mstrrick.wordpress.com/about/ Mstr Rick

    This is no longer the middle ages. What was previously simply that which was self-evident is now scientific fact. Negros are a variably different species, significantly so, and our laws should reflect those differences.

  • negrolocaust

    the conversation is dead when they start Bash mobbing and rioting the conversation is dead.Black need to acknowledge they are every bit as racist until then there
    will be no conversation. Until blacks address their fatherless families,
    the black on black crime in their own neighborhoods and not blaming
    whites and everyone else for these problems at the same time. There will
    be no conversation.I will never apologize to blacks for being
    white or for Zimmerman .woe is me i am black every adult black has the mind of less maturity than a 3 or 4 year old white. they never will change they like being babied by the world by the nanny bloombergs who wipe their nasty behinds for every childish thing they do. i am black the world is unfair i am sick of it. i gave up on their race anybody trying to change or improve them is a fool. a waste of time they enjoy being lazy they enjoy mumbling when speaking, making excuses, shuffling along aimlessly i could tear my hair out whin i see them shuffling down the street no motivation just a waste of DNA.

  • Kolton Ramsey

    In light of Mr. Taylor’s factual evidence backing his claims I highly doubt that Mr. Holder will accept the discussion. Mr. Holder wants to discuss race in America with other people who share his views. The opposite end of the spectrum, and silent persecution of white people that occurs on a daily basis is simply of no value to discuss with Mr. Holder, as it’s not something he whole heartedly believes is real, and quite frankly doesn’t care to know about. That is the racial seflishness that blacks possess in this country. It is only they, who are persecuted, and only they who are discriminated against. If you have a look at my profile picture, you probably would question my character, and whether or not I have a questionable background and would automatically pass judgement. Does that mean that they’re doing it because they’re white, or racist? No, probably. I probably just give them a legitimate reason to be concerned. I have long hair, I have tattoo’s, those aren’t things that a predominately Christian society finds comforting, and I understand that. The difference between myself, and blacks is that it really doesn’t bother me. I wont use it as a pivotal point to resolve the trouble I may find myself in, and if I even tried I would be quickly mocked and silenced.

    As a young boy, I attended Woodrow Wilson Junior High in Dayton, Texas. I was constantly harassed and bothered by our black Principal, and Vice Principal. They constantly had me in their office for such petty things such as my hair was touching my collar on our polo t-shirts. Even though such rules regarding hair were put in place blacks would wear Afro hairstyles that far exceeded the alluded 2 ” height limit you could have on your hair. This was swept under the rug, and went unnoticed. One day, I dared to question it, and my Principal told my mother I was a racist. As the year progress, I became more and more harassed, and was inevitably banned from my mathematics class, and subsequently kicked out of public school. I went on to get my GED, and now I’m a nurse who recently graduated college. What does that tell you about my black principals?

  • SFLBIB

    “…your staff has already grilled three dozen of Mr. Zimmerman’s friends and acquaintances about what he thought of black people. Why? A state jury has already found that Mr. Zimmerman acted in
    legitimate self defense. Is it your view that if Mr. Zimmerman had ‘racist’ views he is guilty of a ‘hate crime,’ even if he acted in self
    defense?”

    The way “deep pockets” works is the defendant [in a civil case] with the most money pays, even if he is the least responsible. The purpose of Holder’s questioning Zimmerman’s friends and acquaintances is to find even the smallest racist bone in his body so Holder can get jurisdiction just like Janet Reno did in the Rodney King affair. Call it “racial deep pockets.”

    • Creepy as a cracker!

      So the federal crime is not what he did but what he thought.

      • SFLBIB

        I think you have the idea. That’s why there are speech codes in colleges and universities, for example.

        • http://www.amren.com/ Michael Christopher Scott

          There was such a “voluntary speech code” at UC Santa Cruz in 1988. I not only refused to sign it, I returned it with smelly dark-brown smears all over it, as I had used it as toilet paper.

          • SFLBIB

            Things have not gotten any better at Santa Cruz. “The Fire” has given it a speech code rating of RED. You can read why here thefire[dot]org/spotlight/codes/228.html

            It sounds like you were asked to sign a loyalty oath, which I believe are unconstitutional. Speech codes should be called what they are: intentions to persecute, because they are selectively enforced.

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Well, this is what Ken Star did for eight years with Bill Clinton. That’s the problem with politicians like Ken Star’ they don’t realize that the dirty politics they play could be used and even dirtier than what they did.

  • cancerous bananna

    Rural Nova Scotia isn’t bad, very white, there are a number of break-ins committed by whites but in a small town setting its very easy to pin the blame.
    Avoidd banks on the first of the month there will be line-ups out the door with native’s cashing welfare cheque’s. (They give the $ right back to the government by playing the electronic slot games)
    Stay away from Dartmouth full of feral blacks still sore about Africville being demolished to build a highway..

    I don’t recommend Nova Scotia simply based on their inability to adapt, be progressive and compete business-wise…
    But we are some of the best damn people you ever want to meet.

  • SFLBIB

    “Zimmerman may actually have been correct in his focus on Martin as a suspicious character. To wit:

    1. … 6.”

    In all fairness, there was no way Zimmerman could have known any of this at the time.

  • SFLBIB

    “F” [failure] is now a passing grade? Nothing surprises me any more.

  • Evette Coutier

    Since when does your political and/or views on race nullify your right to self defense?

  • Savanthar

    I confess to being an ignorant liberal Democrat these past many years, but I am so angry over this race issue and how the liberal Democrats handle it that I am becoming a Republican tomorrow morning when I can get my hands on a voter registration form at City Hall. I can’t stand the way liberals are handling this whole Zimmerman affair, when it was clearly a case of self defense.

    I think the Jury was right and I’m really pissed off at how this has been blown all out of proportion by people on what used to be my side of the isle, the left side. Justice WAS DONE and that’s that. I just feel sorry for Zimmerman, because now he has to live the rest of his life looking over his shoulder for some self righteous wackjob who might attack him.

    I can no longer call myself a liberal Democrat, because the liberal Democrats seem to want to throw the White people under the proverbial buss. My ancestral heritage is English, Irish and German. Blood is far thicker than water.

    • Nathanwartooth

      Just wait until you figure out how traitorous the Republicans are and then you’ll be in the same boat as a lot of us.

      Well really to be fair, it’s the senate Republicans. The house is standing firm against the immigration bill, which is great.

      • Savanthar

        Thanks for letting me know about the house Republicans. Unfortunately I wasn’t able to make it to City Hall today to get my voter registration form. I had to go out of town and by the time I got back they were closed. I will have to do it tomorrow, but it will get done.

        I realize how you feel about the senate Republicans, but just realize that they are still the best people we have to stop the black agenda of conquering all White people. Yesterday I had a friend tell me that he thinks the blacks will never be satisfied until they achieve full reverse-descrimination against the Whites.

        They don’t want fairness for all, only for their own self interest. I recently saw somewhere a quote that read “anti-racist is just code for anti-white.” So true indeed.

        • Nathanwartooth

          Oh, you must be pretty new around the race realism scene then.

          That last bit is called “the mantra” that a group against White genocide came up with. There is also a few videos they made, the anti racist Hitler one being the best. You can just search YouTube to find it.

          But about the Republicans, the more you learn about them the more you’ll end up hating them. They don’t care about Whites any more than Democrats do and will eagerly replace us at every opportunity.

  • BellaCosa

    Terrific letter. Terrific.

  • bad puppy

    It doesn’t matter “how” you post. If you were ever “zimmermanned”, they would confiscate your computer and hard drive, track down every site you had ever visited to determine all opinions posted. Considering the level of snooping going on now, they probably know everything we have posted for the past 4 years.

  • http://www.occidentalenclave.org/ Occidental Enclave Forum

    LOL, get real. They’d never let that happen. Mr. Taylor has been around for decades, you think they don’t know he’s there? Do you think it’s an accident that whenever they showcase someone who is supposed to be a “representative” or spokesperson for racialism and white interests it is almost invariably some retarded neo Nazi/Klansman or some kooky Jew obsessed conspiracy theorist like David Duke who will almost certainly send thoughtful, mainstream whites running?

  • MystiKasT

    Well said Jared, well said. Great article.