Eric Holder: Trayvon Martin Death Was an ‘Unnecessary Shooting’

Pete Yost, Huffington Post, July 15, 2013

Attorney General Eric Holder on Monday called the killing of Trayvon Martin a “tragic, unnecessary shooting,” and said the Justice Department will follow “the facts and the law” as it reviews evidence to see whether federal criminal charges are warranted.

In his first comments since the acquittal of George Zimmerman in the Martin case, the attorney general said the 17-year-old’s death provides an opportunity for the nation to speak honestly about complicated and emotionally charged issues.

He said the nation must not forgo an opportunity toward better understanding of one another.

On Sunday, the Justice Department said it is reviewing evidence in the case to determine whether criminal civil rights charges would be brought.

The department opened an investigation into Martin’s death last year but stepped aside to allow the state prosecution to proceed.

Holder said, “We are … mindful of the pain felt by our nation surrounding the tragic, unnecessary shooting death of Trayvon Martin in Sanford, Fla., last year.” The attorney general’s characterization of the killing drew strong applause from the audience at the 51st national convention of the Delta Sigma Theta, the nation’s largest African-American sorority.

“Independent of the legal determination that will be made, I believe that this tragedy provides yet another opportunity for our nation to speak honestly about the complicated and emotionally charged issues that this case has raised,” Holder said.

“We must not – as we have too often in the past – let this opportunity pass,” he added.

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The NAACP and others are calling on the Justice Department to file civil rights charges against Zimmerman. Thousands of demonstrators from across the country protested the jury’s decision to clear Zimmerman in the shooting death of the unarmed black teenager.

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  • A Jury in Florida thought otherwise, Eric.

  • Rick Brooks

    Eric the red is nothing but a racial extortionist.

    • me

      Hey, Holder….you want an ‘honest dialogue’ about ‘your people’? Riiight! So you can abuse your power even more, go after ‘Whitey’ even more, and put more people who disagree with you behind bars, you racist/ Marxist piece of crap!

  • IstvanIN

    And how about the thousands of whites killed by your racial brothers? Oh, that is right, we don’t have civil rights.

    • The__Bobster

      But on the plus side, we are subject to double jeopardy.

      • IstvanIN

        Our founding fathers would be astonished at our far our society has sunk.

        • Nick Gherz

          On the other hand, MLK would be proud.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    This is what we get for having a cowardly Republican Party. How Holder has not been arrested let alone forced to resign following Fast and Furious proves negligence on the part of the opposition party.

    • JohnEngelman

      When it comes to cutting taxes for the rich the GOP knows no fear, and no shame.

      • dmxinc

        You do not understand economics.

        • IstvanIN

          But do you understand the Republicans?

          • dmxinc

            If you believe the old liberal line that the “Republicans are for the rich and the Democrats are for the little guy,” you are only half a step away from believing their statements on Trayvon.

          • Xerxes22

            Both parties are for the rich but the Democrats are better at hiding it while the Republicans don’t even try to hide it. The Democrats will at least throw a few crumbs to the working class. That’s the main reason Obama was reelected.

        • JohnEngelman

          I know that tax cuts for the rich do not benefit anyone who is not rich. They mean tax increases for the non rich, cuts in programs that benefit them, and/or more national debt.

          What they certainly do not mean is more jobs for the unemployed. Rich people do not hire people when they have more money. They hire people when they have more customers. When unemployment is high, cutting their taxes is like pushing on a string.

          • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

            Why should smart people get penalized and pay a higher percentage rate in taxes?

          • Luca

            Government confiscates the fruits of other peoples’ labor and redistributes it in a manner that best serves them. It is a forced charity. It is tyranny.

            A person working part-time making $25k per year can live about as well as a person working two jobs making $60k per year, thanks to an unfair tax and redistribute plan. But in the eyes of liberals this is perfectly fair.

            It’s like working in a bordello, the better you perform, the more you get screwed.

            But let’s continue to punish success and reward failure and see where it eventually gets us.

        • Luca

          The only thing he understands is race because some blacks whooped him, then he woke up to reality. Maybe one day a couple of economics professors will beat him to a pulp and he’ll be enlightened.

          • JohnEngelman

            My favorite columnist is Paul Krugman. He advocates raising taxes on the rich. He also won the Nobel Prize for Economics in 2008.

          • Luca

            Your time would be better spent listening to lectures given by Milton Friedman who dealt in common sense, history and evidence as opposed to Keynesian theories that never worked and never will.

          • JohnEngelman

            Keynesian economic policies got the United States out of the Depression. Until the recession of 1974 the federal government using those policies managed an economy in which a broadly based economic expansion meant that most Americans got raises every year that beat inflation.

            The stagflation of the second half of the 1970’s discredited Keynesian’s policies. However, the stagflation was caused by the shortage of petroleum caused by the OPEC Oil Boycott of 1973, and the Iranian Revolution of 1979.

            The policies of John Maynard Keynes were not designed to deal with the shortage of an essential natural resource. They were designed to raise demand. This had stabilized at an artificially low level. They were also designed to make use of unused and underused industrial capacity.

            Republicans do not want to admit the role the shortage of petroleum played in the stagflation. This is because they do not want to admit that foreigners they dislike have considerable control over the U.S. economy. In addition, they do not want to admit that America’s reliance on automobile transportation is a national problem. There is a strong correlation between gasoline consumption, and support for the GOP.

            For most Americans the presidency of Jimmy Carter was better than that of Ronald Reagan. The good economic number of the Reagan administration were due inadvertently to Keynesian economic policies. Reagan stimulated the economy by cutting taxes and raising government spending, as Keynes recommended.

            Reagan’s economic policies would have lead to ruinous inflation, but for the fact that the world price of petroleum declined after 1982. Reagan had nothing to do with that.

            Neither did Milton Friedman. Friedman was famous for saying, “There is no such thing as a free lunch.” Then he violated his own maxim by encouraging Americans to believe that it was possible to cut taxes, raise defense spending, and balance the budget. It was not. The enduring legacy of the Reagan administration is to imbue Republican voters with the delusion that they can have the government they want without paying for it.

          • dmxinc

            “Keynesian economic policies got the United States out of the Depression”

            Not true. Yes, you may have been taught this, but it’s false.

            Study what FDR did. Why he threatened to pack the Supreme Court. Look into the stories of ordinary American businessmen that were brought up on charges, threatened with fines and jail time for just wanted to set the prices for their services.

            The uncertainty that was created was only solved by FDR’s death.

          • Luca

            Blah blah blah, Asians and Jews have high IQ’s, blah blah blah, Republicans are for the rich, blah blah blah, Carter was better than Reagan, blah blah blah. Give it a rest, or get that broken record fixed. Your arguments are better suited for a 3rd grade schoolyard. “Yeah well, my ideas are better than your ideas, so there”.

            Come back with some realism, reason and common sense, you know, like what you use when talking about race.

          • JohnEngelman

            You tell me that my “arguments are better suited for a 3rd grade schoolyard,” but your arguments consist of nothing but school yard taunts. My arguments are fact based and logical.

          • dmxinc

            You made me laugh.

  • The__Bobster

    …the Justice Department will follow “the facts and the law” ….
    _________

    That will be a first under Holder. Remember Waco!

    • Tinfoil A22hat

      I’m sure he does remember, with glee and in anticipation of the Waco’s he will enjoy in the future.

  • bigone4u

    If someone is willing to be beaten to death because the perpetrator is a black teen, then yes I suppose you could say that the shooting of Trayvon was “unnecessary.” What a lying race-baiting scumbag he is.

  • Hirschibold

    Once you accept their premise, you’re stuck with their conclusion. The key is therefore to refuse the premise. “Zimmerman thought Trayvon was up to no good because he was a black male,” they say. “He racially profiled Trayvon.” To which I reply that until liberals get the 1984-style police state that they covet, it wouldn’t have been illegal for Zimmerman to think Trayvon was up to no good for being black, unless you believe that he deserves to be charged with a thought crime (which they do).

    This shooting was unnecessary, though. That I agree with. It wasn’t necessary for Trayvon to double-back and seek out Zimmerman after breaking contact (odd behavior for someone who is being “stalked”). It was unnecessary for Trayvon to respond to Zimmerman’s query with violence, and it was certainly unnecessary for the president, the attorney general, the DOJ, and their sycophantic lapdog media to blow a local routine incident of self-defense into a “teachable moment.”

    If there were no alternative media, no internet, they could have gotten away with the “fake but accurate” (h/t Dan Rather) narrative of an evil white man named George Zimmerman who stalked a cherubic black child whose only interests in life were Skittles and getting straight As.

    Not this time, though.

    • A Freespeechzone

      Had GZ been convicted, the low-IQ community would take that as a sign that any resistance or attempt at self defense to an unprovoked attack would be prosecuted by the DOJ.

      The DOJ is still working toward that goal….Obama/Holder have an agenda.

  • JohnEngelman

    Trayvon Martin had George Zimmerman on the ground. He threatened to kill him. He was hitting him in the face.

    If the shooting was unnecessary, self defense is never legitimate.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Holder is just exposing his “black logic” here again. The shooting of Martin was necessary, Martin’s beating of someone just for looking at him is what was unnecessary.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Mind how you look at a black.

      A few years ago in Northern Contra Costa County’s [CA] most crime problematic city, an 8 yr old bantu monster killed a white woman’s infant as it lay in its crib. [Monster had befriended the white lady; she allowed him to visit.]
      When asked why, bantu said, “because the white lady look at me like she be dissing me.” Turns out the white woman caught him trying to steal the white baby older sib’s bike. Nothing came of this case. Kid is probably still out on the streets doing his terrorist thang.
      There are a million stories just as this one, yet the country is on its ear with Trayvon sh**.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Unnecessary shooting?

    This from the HYPOCRITE who armed the violent Mexican narco-terrorists and then lied to Congress about it?

    Yes, AG Holder. Your idea of justice is for non-blacks to suck it up and take it, to simply lie still and let black thugs like Trayvon bash our heads against concrete until we are either in a coma or dead.

    How many times is a black thug allowed to bash our heads against the pavement before we have a right to defend ourselves, Holder?

    The verdict proved the shooting WAS necessary — beyond a reasonable doubt.

    Bon

  • Luca

    Sorry Eric, I disagree, I think the shooting was necessary. It sends the message that we are fed up and willing to fight for our lives and fight your phony liberal kangaroo courts.

    Since he wants to speak honestly..here’s one for you Eric: 93% of all blacks murdered are murdered by other blacks. Let’s hear some honest dialogue on that one you hypocrite.

  • anarchyst

    Zimmerman did the world a favor and “took out the garbage”. The people who spawned “poor little trayvon” should be sterilized and deported . . .

  • OhWow

    If what he really wants is “honest dialogue”, then are we allowed to discuss genetic differences across races more specifically IQ? Or is that also racist to even postulate?

  • MBlanc46

    By “honest dialogue”, “My People” means that whites should beat their breasts and rend their clothing over the “tragic” death of the child Saint Skittles. He does not mean any empirical facts about black behavior in the US.

  • libertarian1234

    After all the verifiable evidence they’re still saying that Zimmerman hunted the black perp down and executed him and that they’re fixated on the fact Zimmerman got out of his car to watch Martin is the great crime involved not the felonious assault on Zimmerman.

    To expect blacks to act and speak rationally about this situation is useless, especially knowing that they think whites introduced aids and drugs into their neighborhoods to kill them off, and the government blew up the levees in N.O. to drown them, and that Angel Food Cake and Devil’s Food cakes are racist names, and that a black hole in space is a racist term.

    These people just don’t have the mentality to understand much of anything and prove almost daily that they’ve never evolved much beyond the stone-age.

    • Dave4088

      Strange. You don’t sound like your life has been enriched or your mind expanded by racial diversity. Perhaps a double or triple helping of diversity with lots of black youths sprinkled in will help you see the light.

  • Rusty Shackelford

    Is he going to weigh in on the needless shooting of a baby in a stroller by two black teens?

    • At that point, the “dialogue” we will be forced to endure will focus on some nonsensical concept the dumb-o-craps call “gun violence”.

  • If we’re supposed to believe Eric Holder, George Zimmerman’s shooting Trayvon Martin because Martin was in the process of beating him to death was “unnecessary”, but providing firearms – including .50″ caliber Barrett sniper rifles – to Mexican narco gangs (a.k.a. “Fast & Furious”) was sound law-enforcement procedure and vital to our nation’s domestic tranquility.

    Is it just me or does Holder need his meds changed?

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Attorney General Eric Holder said Monday the killing of Trayvon Martin was a ‘tragic, unnecessary shooting’ and that the 17-year-old’s death provides an opportunity for the nation to speak honestly about complicated and emotionally charged issues.

    Opportunity to speak honestly?

    Holder isn’t fooling anyone. The LAST thing this racist bigot wants is an honest discussion.

    An honest conversation requires admitting the truth about the huge, disproportionate number of black-on-White crimes, including rapes, robberies, murders and assaults.

    Holder will never admit that blacks are nearly 13 times more likely to kill Whites than the reverse.

    I guess Holder thinks these are NECESSARY assaults in the name of justice — Holder’s WARPED social justice!!:

    A White man jogging alongside a Mississippi highway was abducted and beaten by three African-American men allegedly in retaliation of the George Zimmerman verdict, police told Fox News.

    Baltimore police say they are investigating a witness account that a group of black youths beat a Hispanic man near Patterson Park Sunday while saying, ‘This is for Trayvon.’

    Holder thinks he has a score to settle with White America and this is his perverse way of doing it.

    Bon

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    Eric Holder and the pro Martin protesters are exactly like fundie religious nuts. They believe what they WANT to believe with no concern at all for reality or the facts of this case. They are going to believe this case fits their cherished black victimology dogma regardless of what the evidence shows just as the fundie religious nut will believe in their invisible sky wizard with zero evidence. It’s not about using reason with these racist blame gamers, it’s about believing what they want to believe. Reason/evidence will NEVER sway them. Just be glad these dishonest irrational nuts didn’t get on the jury.

  • Bossman

    I believe that Eric Holder spoke the right words. Every untimely death is unnecessary and now should be a time of sober reflection and dialog. The question that U.S. Blacks should be asking themselves is why so many young black males are committing so many serious crimes and acting like outlaws.

    • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

      The killing was necessary. Martin beating a stranger was unnecessary.

  • Midge

    One thing for sure we know now: There is no possibility for any honest dialogue with the blacks nor any possibility for an honest relationship with a black person. They take no responsibility for themselves and they insist on being pandered to.

    Zimmerman did nothing wrong. Thats the plain fact of the case and yet three of the jurors TRIED to find something he did wrong so they could convict him of something. He “used bad judgement” —- what exactly did he do? He got out of his car. He walked in his own neighborhood. He was part of a Neighborhood Watch.

    The plain fact is tha the attack by Martin that caused Zimmerman to have to shoot Martin occured rather close to Zimmerman’s vehicle. (Was it 150 ft? Thats my memory of the evidence. It was close. So either Zimmerman did not “follow” Martin very far into the apartment complex or he was on his way back to his vehicle when Martin came from out of no where and attacked him.

    Zimmerman tells the dispather that Martin ran and he’s lost sight of Martin and then the attack is at least a full 4 minutes later. The essential truth of the case but watch all the pander pander pander to the blacks on TV and no one willing to hold any of them buy the neck and rub their noses in that very simple set of facts. No, they get to go off on some stupid tangent that had 3 jurors thinking that getting out of your car and walking in your own neighborhood is bad judgement and criminal responsibility.

  • Midge

    Of course, Holder and Obama like things as they are. Like all blacks in he upper and upper middle classes they benefit tremendously from having a black underclass. Thats why they get affirmative action benefits, minority set asides, etc. etc. The black underclass is their political power.

    If there was any real serioussness in the white run media about elevating the black underclass, what they would do would be to shame the black middle and upper classes into taking responsibility for the black underclas. We have had 50, 60 years of shaming white people and it was never going to work. White people do not need black people. White people try hard to keep away from black people. We have no stake in black people except to protect ourselves from them. The people with a stake in black people are the ones who could impact the black underclass and its not us.