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If these are America’s best minds that are baffled at “The Achievement Summit,” then we are in a heap of trouble.
Posted by OldBaldy at 6:30 PM on November 14
A nice assessment, Jared, but you forgot to mention that the vast majority of high IQ blacks are usually near white Mulattoes.
Posted by Loo at 6:36 PM on November 14
“absolutely, positively not genetic.”
this guy absolutely, positively has to prove that he’s more PC than the next guy.
Pathetic.
Posted by at 7:19 PM on November 14
An appropriate remark attributed to Ayn Rand:
“One may avoid reality, but one cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.”
Posted by at 7:27 PM on November 14
‘Clap and chant in church’ allegedly leads to poor academic performance?
Liberals always see things backwards such as when they insist that poverty causes crime when it’s increasing rates of crime that causes people with money to flee leaving the poor (poverty) behind.
Clapping and chanting in church or talking back to a movie screen are not the cause; they are the expression of natural behavior among blacks.
IF clapping, chanting, and talking back to a movie ARE the cause, then the solution would be as simple, easy, and direct as to first teach blacks not to act in this manner. However, that would be as simple, easy, and direct as to change a leopards spots.
CHANGING black behavior is not only elusive, it’s impossible. Whenever you see American born blacks return to Africa and participate in African dances and chanting, it’s as if they never left.
You can take the black man out of Africa but you can’t take Africa out of the black man.
Posted by sbuffalonative at 7:40 PM on November 14
“The…gap…continues to baffle America’s best minds.”
Then obviously those are not “Americas Best Minds”
Our nation took a very wrong turn when we allowed ourselves to be sold on the idea of a “brain trust”. Increasingly ever since, we have allowed “experts” or groups of them to decide what is right and wrong.
There is no problem whatsoever with seeking advise from those with more professional acumen then ourselves; however, in practical reality, our “experts” are chosen for us by persons who wish to ‘craft a message’ and TRUE conflicting data and honest dispute on matters is all but non-existent. The recent fate of Dr. James Watson, case in point.
Posted by Mr. Smith at 7:51 PM on November 14
Thank you for the article. I can only wonder how James Watson could have educated these educators had he not withdrawn his recent comments.
Posted by at 7:52 PM on November 14
The racial gaps in achievement are even greater for middle-class and wealthy children than for poor children, he has found.”
This only stands to reason. Blacks in America with a 115 IQ or better will be given jobs paying far in excess of their white counterparts. This is the reality, but the exact opposite of what black leaders claim. Most blacks in this IQ range become government bureaucrats, where the pay ranges from good to extremely good. The elite blacks are pump up to positions beyond all logic and sanity. Therefore in almost all cases blacks with less on the ball than whites will have earnings comparable to whites.
Now the children of the non-disadvantaged black and white parents will attend the same schools and take the same tests. What do you think will happen when thy take “competency tests? DeMarquis and Keisha (IQ 110-115) will compete with Connor and Ashley (IQ 125-145) and the racial gap will not only be there, but will be greater. This is because although both races are in the same income bracket, the white parents are in a higher to much higher IQ bracket.
Posted by P Noctura at 8:39 PM on November 14
Not only can these fools gracefully Waltz around the elephant in the living room, they can also break into a Jitterbug and not slip and fall from a misstep into elephant dung.
Posted by Flaxen-headed Strumpet at 8:44 PM on November 14
“Mr. O’Connell has decided the culprit is “cultural ignorance” in the schools. For example, he explains, blacks learn to clap and chant in church, and don’t realize they are not supposed to do this in school. And so they get bad grades.”
So what you are saying Mr. O’Connell, is that blacks are too dumb to know how to act in different social situations and environments. You’re back to square one sir.
Low IQ’s are the least of the blacks’ worries. It’s not a sin to be less intelligent than your neighbor. One should do the best with the skills, abilities and knowledge that one has. If everyone had a PhD., who would swing the hammers or drive the trucks? The bigger problem for the blacks is the culture of ignorance that they admire and perpetuate along with a feeling of victimhood and entitlement.
They wallow in a sea of self-pity and worship at the throne of “Racism”. They continue to talk slave pidgin ebonics and can’t solve problems without anger and violence. They do not use forethought or have much of a conscinece when it comes to choosing right from wrong. They continue to have illegitimate children and rely heavily on the public dole. Without Political Correctness they would probably self destruct as a race or their numbers would actually be a lot smaller.
They are cultural cripples who on the whole cannot compete in a civilized society. AND …It is not their fault. They were historically thrust into the types of societies which they would not have naturally created themselves.
Their entire racial, cultural profile makes them well suited for life in African jungles. Is that so hard to figure out?
Posted by Lucas M at 8:45 PM on November 14
“The black-white achievement gap continues to baffle America’s best minds.”
And there you have it. Good, better, best. Seems like the terms need redefining.
Posted by t at 9:02 PM on November 14
They’re not baffled, they know why blacks are lower achievers but they can’t say it because in this country it’s pretty much become illegal to point out facts about blacks as a whole being inferior in any way. So they’ll keep having their conferences and blaming white society and the black achievement rate will keep declining because they simply will not, out of choice, address the real reason.
Posted by Reality at 9:08 PM on November 14
You can take all the statistics in the world and hang ‘em where the snow don’t blow, as far as I’m concerned.
Based on a lifetime of personal experiences and inferences from those experiences, there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that the Black race is the stupidest race of all mankind.
Ask anybody — anybody — who has ever had any sustained, repeated contacts with a variety of Blacks, and they will tell you to a man and to a woman that they find Blacks haughty, belligerent, violent, indolent, angry, lacking in civility, lacking in charity, lacking magananimity, dirty, amoral, devoid of honor and honesty, narcissistic, pathological, and, above all, STUPID.
And when I say stupid, pal, I mean STUPID.
Posted by White, Jewish, and Proud at 9:12 PM on November 14
This is a very good article. Regression to the mean is what baffles people.We have recently had a Black technician arrive here in NZ from Zimbabwe. People think he is bright. Why would they mention it. If he was white they wouldn’t have remarked on that.I told a friend also from Zim that it is all very well but their children are likely to regress back to the mean, not 85 but more like 80 as there is no white blood in the family.They will struggle in school.It will bet interesting to follow this up,but I don’t think I’ll be around long enough to find out.
Posted by Terry at 9:36 PM on November 14
I believe that students studying psychology are taught in personality testing classes that the African American results are due to environment. Everything has been blamed on environment for a while but we have had enough time to see real life results and data about differences in traits and behaviors among the various races.
People also try to discount IQ/personality testing by saying it isn’t accurate. But we are not testing ultimate truths here but how people score compared to other people. Many of these tests have been used for a long time and have been adjusted over the years to become scarily accurate in their results.
It shortchanges black/Hispanic people if they are forced to behave and think like North East Asian or white people based on a fantasy. They fail again and again and they become angrier and angrier. They need to have different set of behavior modification regulations for different people.
For example, when African Americans commit crimes, the punishment needs to be swift and appropriate for their functioning level to be most effective. Rehab programs should be designed with their unique traits in mind for it to be most effective. I am not familiar with the impulsive trait of the Hispanic population.
We train different species of dogs based on their unique genetic traits and we need the same for humans as well. This doesn’t mean that people are discriminated against or seen as less than but treated as unique populations. Black/Hispanic kids would be less frustrated and happier if their education system was designed to address their real needs rather than the wishful thinking of their community.
Posted by jc at 9:50 PM on November 14
A nice assessment, Jared, but you forgot to mention that the vast majority of high IQ blacks are usually near white Mulattoes.
Posted by Loo at 6:36 PM on November 14
That’s exactly what Eric Michael Dyson is.
Posted by Talk Fast, No Facts at 10:02 PM on November 14
Brain size and problem solving skills have nothing to do with achievement gaps between the races. Likewise, thoroughbred horses can run faster than ponies only because they are given they are more privileged and given the opportunity to run. Likewise, bloodhounds are really no better equipped to track a scent than is a poodle. If only poodles were given the opportunities of bloodhounds then they too could assist police. Likewise, white men are not great basketball dunkers when compared to people of Africa descent ONLY because they don’t practice as much and are more prone to be home studying for exams. There are obviouly many truths out there that educated people would see to be true if only more opportunity existed or we leveled the playing field. I’m sure millions would agree completely with me.
Posted by Elrey Jones at 10:03 PM on November 14
This regression theory is illogically applied here I believe. To me, a much more obvious reason for the recent downturn in achievement is the culture. No way was there a group apogee in the 60’s that is correcting itself now.
If we all agree that blacks are less able mentally to do higher math, that doesn’t mean they can’t be successful. It doesn’t matter. If you are taught to work hard and save your money, you don’t have to very smart to be relatively successful.
Black illegitimacy hasn’t always been this high and neither have the incarceration rates. The belief that blacks are owed something and don’t have to work is what is really killing them.
Posted by Flytrap at 10:43 PM on November 14
“people who ought to know better will keep on finding they “don’t have an explanation””
Jared is being too kind. They have an explanation: Racism. They certainly behave as if they believe racism is the explanation, although few really do believe this anymore. Everyone pretty much knows it’s whites who are victims of racism today. Everyone above the 100 IQ level, anyway. They’re not saying it, they just know. They believe one thing, while they go to these sypmoseums and say something else.
Posted by at 11:56 PM on November 14
Regression toward the mean is something that should be discussed more often. It doesn’t take a lot of empirical research to prove that it exists – just some basic algebra. Consider any population index (a heritable trait for this discussion) with a more or less normal distribution (height, weight, IQ, etc.). This distribution is stable in that it remains normal from one generation to the next. Divide the population into three groups: low, medium, and high. We can assume that the offspring will not be exactly the same as the parents. So we would expect to find that some of the offspring of the medium parents would fall outside of the medium range. If the medium group is not replenished somehow the overall population would gradually become bi-modal over the generations, with the outlier groups growing in proportion and the medium group collapsing. Since this does not happen, since the distribution does remain constant, we can infer that the medium group is being replenished by the outlier groups. Thus regression of the outliers toward the mean exists.
Complicating matters somewhat is the fact that not all mating pairs will be either low-low, medium-medium, or high-high on the index in question. Nevertheless, it can still proven without the need for empirical observations. Regression toward the mean is a good reason not to mate with a black who admirably lacks the pathologies of the norm of his or her race.
Posted by Ken P. at 2:21 AM on November 15
Ten years ago, Monday, 14th November 1997 was named ‘black monday’ in Harare (That’s the capital of Zimbabwe, black africa) as the local currency fell 71.2% against the US dollar and the stock market crashed by 46%. This under the rule of the black african president ‘for life’ mugabe. Things have got a lot worse since. The current inflation rate is 8000%. That’s eight thousand percent per annum, but, by the time this comment is posted, it will probably be higher. Why do I mention this? Well, there is no need to look at black africans in USA who have had the huge advantages of being American for the past 200 years. They should have absorbed sufficient knowledge and IQ by now to succeed in anything they want, assuming they want. However, I do not believe mugabe is any different to any other black african, no matter where he was born and bred. Born to lose perhaps??
Posted by yorkshireman at 2:34 AM on November 15
Another issue is affirmative action. Many people lose their job for a variety of reasons (prefer to quit because they don’t enjoy it, terrible boss, downsizing, bankruptcy, etc).
A white person who is qualified for his job will find another place of employment. He will be able to work for the government, for a private company or even start his own business.
But an affirmative action hire will need to get another affirmative action job to maintain his middle class lifestyle. Chances are, he’ll slip into poverty rather than find another lazy government affirmative action job.
Posted by at 4:07 AM on November 15
Actually, the quarter horse can outrun the thoroughbred … for about a quarter of a mile. Then the breeding and stamina of the blood horse propels it to the lead. I think it was baseball great Eddie Stankey who said that he could give his mule the best feed, purest water and finest training in the world, but it would never win the Kentucky Derby.
Posted by Robert "Scratch" Binion at 6:09 AM on November 15
They should have invited Dr. Watson to the conference. He could of saved a lot of time by explaining the problem in 10 minutes.
Posted by Jeff at 6:14 AM on November 15
I can make no claim on knowing what exactly this “racism” is beyond being a superstition, but I do know from experience that genetics really do matter.
Posted by Simmons at 9:15 AM on November 15
We’ve been here before. Every time liberals “discover” that the racial gap in education is a “cultural” problem, we have these breathless stories about how minorities are somehow being victimized by white society. Somehow, it all comes back to being our fault. It’s beginning to wear thin.
Posted by Xenophon at 9:42 AM on November 15
The racial realist solution was nicely outlined yesterday in a post. It’s worth recalling:
(1) End affirmative action. Putting blacks in positions above their natural skills and (genetic) endowments is like teaching a rhino to walk on two legs - it only makes the rhino angry.
(2) End all welfare. Blacks must learn the hard way about having babies they can’t afford to raise.
(3) Vocational training. Blacks are not suited to be knowledge workers by and large, however, they are strong and can do work that requires strength.
(4) Condign punishment for criminal activities. Blacks must be put back into the social straightjacket that prevented them from acting out their impulsive violent nature.
(5) Terminate all restrictions on freedom of association. Whites should be able to hire or rent to whites only if they so desire.
(6) End all ‘celebrations’ of black ‘culture’. No more MLK day, black history month, etc.
If all of these were actually implemented, then we might be able to enjoy a more civil society and one where blacks might be able to earn the respect of whites. Any ‘solution’ that does not include these actions will be like giving more poison to a poisoned person.
Posted by Eyes Wide Open at 10:44 AM on November 15
‘Regression to the mean’ could be an ironclad law of science. ‘Evolution’ could be an ironclad law of science. I’m having difficulty understanding how both of these things can be true at the same time.
This just puzzles me, and is not what I disgree with Jared Taylor about. Mr. Taylor is wrong about the IQ gap. The races may look different but the natural intelligence gap is at most 1 or 2 points, except for Asians who are admittedly 3 or 4 IQ points ahead of everyone else. It’s really just a question of ignorance, and yes, racism. The IQ-Gap is really not such a mystery. The IQ test measures different levels of learning, and not one’s innate learning ability. In fact, it’s ‘IQ’ (Intelligence Quotient). What you know, divided by your age. Viewed more accurately, from the perspective of, not the highest totals, but the lowest, the IQ gap is simply a barometer of which groups have a life-long love for ignorant and racist behavior. As it measures those who’ve learned the most, so too, it measure those who simply don’t want to learn. Who are more interested in themselves than in the outside world. Those who, in fact, have a propensity toward ignorant and racist behavior and take pleasure in ignorant and racist behavior. Any ‘achievement-gap’ seminar that doesn’t take this reality into account, is just encouraging more ignorance, and yes, racism. We see the results everyday. Racism hurts the racist, too. Ignorance and racism must be dealt with head on, not by pretending it’s not there, even when it’s staring you right in the face. And not by allowing the racist to continue projecting their own racism onto others. We owe that much to these, uh, poor victims of their own ids.
Posted by LHathaway at 11:41 AM on November 15
This is in response to Loo. One of the most popular defenses leftists have for their religious egalitarian beliefs is the fact that few Americans are purely one race or another. They love to point out that “race is a social construct” because of the “one drop rule”. This has some validity in that a person who is only one sixteenth black is certainly not black but may still be considered so socially and legally. This may be why the leftist ruling class is so desperately, and forcefully, encouraging miscongenation. They figure, if they can bring about enough mixing, then any scientific views on race differences will lose their steam. In a way, this is like curing cancer by killing the patient. In this case, Jared’s claims are valid - and leftists are trying to obscure the results of these 40 yr. long social experiments by destroying the integrity of the test subjects.
Posted by jewamongyou at 1:36 PM on November 15
“Ask anybody — anybody — who has ever had any sustained, repeated contacts with a variety of Blacks, and they will tell you to a man and to a woman that they find Blacks haughty, belligerent, violent, indolent, angry, lacking in civility, lacking in charity, lacking magananimity, dirty, amoral, devoid of honor and honesty, narcissistic, pathological, and, above all, STUPID.
And when I say stupid, pal, I mean STUPID.”
So what are you trying to imply?
Posted by at 2:18 PM on November 15
The pseudo-statistical analysis in this article, that attempts to draw conclusions from the fact that smart white people are unlikely to have even smarter children, is invalid.
It’s like saying that smart people are unlikely to end up in Harvard or MIT (which they are, simply because there is incomparably more smart white people than the Ivy Leage schools can possibly accomodate).
The question that beggs to be asked here is: are smart white parents more likely to have children with very high IQ, say, above 150, than not-so-smart parents of whatever color are? The answer is, not surprisingly, YES.
Posted by A Reader at 3:56 PM on November 15
Despite having lower IQs, there’s no doubt blacks are able to organize themselves and communicate. Many are very verbally adept. I think blacks’ downfall is due more to their behaviorial problems rather then low intelligence. I think their lack of impulse control is is their greatest flaw.
Posted by at 4:05 PM on November 15
This regression theory is illogically applied here I believe. To me, a much more obvious reason for the recent downturn in achievement is the culture. No way was there a group apogee in the 60’s that is correcting itself now.
Using the same “logic”, we can excuse “white racists” (however rare they are) by blaiming their inability to accept blacks on 50 years of racists’ bashing that must have crippled their ability to achieve the state of color-blindness.
If we all agree that blacks are less able mentally to do higher math, that doesn’t mean they can’t be successful.
Yeah, many of them have this “street smart” that allows them to prospect fairly well on the majority’s benevolence.
It doesn’t matter. If you are taught to work hard and save your money, you don’t have to very smart to be relatively successful.
Successful in what? In living at the expense of others? Just take a look at Cleveland OH to see what these “less able mentally to do higher math” can accomplish on their own. Corruption, devastation, crime, and social decay. One needs to have an IQ over 100 in order to be able to support (as opposed to being a burden to) our Western civilization.
Black illegitimacy hasn’t always been this high and neither have the incarceration rates. The belief that blacks are owed something and don’t have to work is what is really killing them.
Or some of them are, finally, showing their true colors that they were hiding all those years of pre-Johnson’s America.
Posted by Flytrap at 10:43 PM on November 14
Posted by A Reader at 4:11 PM on November 15
Lhathaway wrote:
“‘Regression to the mean’ could be an ironclad law of science. ‘Evolution’ could be an ironclad law of science. I’m having difficulty understanding how both of these things can be true at the same time.”
Really? Why? You posit no argument as to why the two should be at odds. Although you admit these concepts “just puzzle” you, you go on later to declare that “[i]gnorance and racism must be dealt with head on, not by pretending it’s not there, even when it’s staring you right in the face. And not by allowing the racist to continue projecting their own racism onto others.”
Wow! If we want to demonstrate the intellectual intolerance of the left, you do our work for us today.
Ken P.
Posted by at 5:49 PM on November 15
Posted by Robert “Scratch” Binion:
“Actually, the quarter horse can outrun the thoroughbred … for about a quarter of a mile. Then the breeding and stamina of the blood horse propels it to the lead.”
Actually, this true yet somewhat dubious. The fastest quarter horse in History (still) was Secretariat who won the triple crown in NINETEEN SEVENTY THREE. This means that unlike every other sport known to man, an ‘athlete’ from 35 years ago was doing things that cannot be matched today. All thoroughbreds must be able to trace their lineage to one of three steeds and one of 35 mares imported to England from the middle east hundreds of years ago. If not, a horse is not considered a Thoroughbred. As the bloodline has been mandated stagnant since 1791, Thoroughbreds have posted roughly the same times for the past 70 years. Quarter Horses on the other hand, face no such regulations and if he can run, an owner can enter a donkey/clydesdale mix into a quarter horse race. Thus the fastest quarter horses live today and get faster every year.
While it is true Thoroughbreds are faster than Quarter Horses at distances approaching a mile and faster, there is some dispute as to whether this is due to merit, or simply because Quarter Horse breeders see no pot of gold in producing faster, longer-distance horses as they will not be allowed to run for the triple crown anyway.
Quarter horses are also stronger, heartier, smarter, less fragile and have uses in rodeos, on ranches and in various equestrian events. Thoroughbreds are (no pun intended ) considered one trick ponies.
Posted by at 7:14 PM on November 15
IQ gap is simply a barometer of which groups have a life-long love for ignorant and racist behavior. As it measures those who’ve learned the most, so too, it measure those who simply don’t want to learn…..Posted by LHathaway at 11:41 AM on November 15
This is one of the most incoherent,self-conradictory,and pathetic posts I have read on this site. China just sent an astronaut into outer space. By your reckoning, Zimbabwe is a basket case simply because they “don’t want to learn,” even though they have the ability ( and enormous natural resources that Japan, for example, doesn’t) to do so.Its incredible to what lengths people will go to deceive themselves.The “racism” card in the advanced, technological west has become the last desperate refuge of non-whites who are not competitive and could not survive on their own back in their home countries. This racism card has utility only in western nations, because whites are the only ones susceptible to manipulation by guilt; other races find that concept difficult to understand as a moral pejorative. By the way, whites also deceive themselves if they think they occupy the apex of the intelligence pyramid; their myriad self-inflicted problems are living proof to the contrary.
Posted by at 7:23 PM on November 15
“Until people such as Arthur Jensen and Richard Lynn and Charles Murray are on the achievement gap panels and are advising the Pew Charitable Trust”
4,000 uplift experts, 125 different panels, five days of deliberation, and no alternative views?
Doesn’t sound like very much diversity to me! They only say they want diversity, when in reality they enforce it’s opposite.
That’s kind of fitting, fore, these rallies against ‘racism’ always end up being devoted to race/sanctioned racism.
Posted by at 7:30 PM on November 15
“The races may look different but the natural intelligence gap is at most 1 or 2 points, except for Asians who are admittedly 3 or 4 IQ points ahead of everyone else.”
The intelligence gap between whites and blacks is 1 or 2 points? Where did you get this statistic? And do you live in an area that has a large black population. If so, has your day-to-day interaction with members of that community really backed up your theory? If not, I suggest you spend a few days in Detroit before trying to peddle your “1 or 2 points” theory.
Posted by Derbo at 8:13 PM on November 15
Someone mentioned most high IQ blacks are usually near white Mulattoes.
I remember back maybe 30 years ago when Time magazine had a cover story on highly successful blacks. Still young and idealistic, I hastened to buy the magazine and read about the great progress blacks were making.
I was shocked by the many pictures that accompanied the profiles of all the successful “blacks”. None of them were black! They didn’t even look half black, like Obama. Other than very light tans, curly hair or slightly thicker lips or noses, they appeared far more white than black!
We have to change our school system to accomodate every level of IQ, white or black and accept the results will be skewed towards whites and asians in the higher academic areas. No excuses for bad behavior. The educational system should be set up to help everyone find a place, regardless of whether it is some high academic or a service position.
Posted by Ken Sims at 8:19 PM on November 15
“So what are you trying to imply?”
Nothing left to implication here- why, the guy is explicit as hell!
Posted by mrs, cremus at 8:52 PM on November 15
Uplift? Is breeding Blacks on our dime uplift? Smarts?
There are different kinds. Blacks have plenty of the street
kind. We have plenty of the book kind but none of the street
kind. They will win. The intellect is a good friend but a bad
master. If you are not its master, someone else will be, in
this example, the Blacks. But they will be defeated by the
Asians who have both kinds.
Posted by Bunker Archie at 11:57 PM on November 15
‘One thing he’s sure about: The problem is “absolutely, positively not genetic.”’
Hmmm, where have I heard such an emphatic statement of certainty before. Ah yes, it was O.J. Simpson’s plea: “Absolutely,
positively, 100-percent not guilty, your Honor.”
Achievement gap not genetic, O.J. Simpson not guilty. Equally credible.
Posted by Tesseract at 2:01 AM on November 16
“This is one of the most incoherent,self-conradictory,and pathetic posts I have read on this site.”
Blacks and Hispanics evidence ignorant and racist behavior, not because they have low IQ’s. They have low IQ’s, lower levels of learning, Because, they have an ignorant and racist mentality. That’s why we see these ignorant lifestyles and the ignorant and racist behavior.
Ok, so the main stream media (seemingly only concerned with the esteem of non-whites, or only concerned with defaming the esteem of whites), … the media and the non-whites themselves try and cover these facts up, presenting whites as being the ignorant and racist ones, but the behaviors themselves, and the IQ results, tell a different tale if one is only willing, or able, to see.
It is ‘Intelligence Quotient’, the sum of your knowledge and thinking skill, divided by your age. A life long love affair with ignorant and racist behavior? This can best be identified by an IQ test. I don’t deny there may be a small, mostly insignificant, genetic difference in the average thinking ability of the different races, and I don’t deny, some one who was extremely curious, but, who say, had spent most of his childhood, adolescence, and adulthood in some kind of bizarre solitary confinement, or even, comparing someone in a modern society to another person living in a hunter-gatherer society… I don’t deny this would have an effect on IQ results, however, the overwhelmingly largest single factor influencing ones IQ score is ones life long affinity toward learning, or toward ignorance, as the case may be.
Blacks and Hispanics evidence a lower IQ because of their greater love for an ignorant and racist mentality. The test results are right there.
How is that contradictory? You can choose one over the other - you can choose to believe IQ differences are mostly genetic (I don’t believe so) but I’m not sure how it’s contradictory.
Posted by LHathaway at 12:47 PM on November 16
By denying the IQ gap between Asians, Whites, Blacks, and Hispanics, the liberal multiculturalists actually end up hurting the very people they are claiming to help
Posted by Benjamin at 3:43 PM on November 16
“We have plenty of the book kind but none of the street kind… But they will be defeated by the Asians who have both kinds.” Posted by Bunker Archie at 11:57 PM on November 15
Some of the best posts on this site are authored by people with a knack for brevity, and this one is a special gem. The single most important thing he mentions is that whites lack “street smarts.” That is, they are extremely vulnerable to emotional manipulation and blackmail by others, and for the most part, are totally unaware of it. Whites are history’s most remarkably creative and productive peoples ( and the most compassionate ), but also the most naive, with an almost child-like vulnerability to exploitation, both in the figurative and literal sense.
Posted by at 5:13 PM on November 16
“I don’t deny there may be a small, mostly insignificant, genetic difference in the average thinking ability of the different races” Posted by LHathaway at 12:47 PM on November 16
You can deny all you want, but that won’t make the earth flat to your liking. “Insignifiant”, you say? I bet that the genetically based intelligence difference between you and Albert Einstein is wider than the Grand Canyon. By the way, Mr. Einstein did not exhibit a “life-long affinity toward learning,” was considered retarded as a child, and was working in an obscure patent office when he formulated the Special Theory of Relativity. You could raise Einstein in a primitive hunter-gatherer society for most of his life, but as soon as he was exposed to the modern world, I guarantee that he would transform overnight and STILL win the Nobel Prize. I doubt that you and I, on the other hand, could match his achievements if we worked the rest of our lives chasing that wild chimera. Can’t be done, end of story.
Posted by at 5:36 PM on November 16
“Regression to the mean is what baffles people…Black technician…is bright…their children are likely to regress…to the mean…They will struggle in school.” (Posted by Terry at 9:36 PM on November 14)
The German Nazis, rightfully “criticized” for so much, were right about a few things (e.g. the connection between cancer and smoking, which they had a strong program against. Rather impressive for the 1930s).
Their official advice to youth about marriage was reasonable regarding intelligence: that if one was bright and came from a family of the same high intelligence, one should be wary of marrying a person of the same high intelligence but whose family was generally less intelligent, since that person’s children would likely be of lesser intelligence.
That information is from Lothrop Stoddard’s 1940 book “Into the Darkness”, and the information about smoking is from a book I browsed by an author who encountered the information while researching Nazi medical experiments, and you should have seen this author falling all over himself apologizing every other sentence for writing ANYthing positive about the Nazis.
I was reminded of his behavior by the behavior of a host on left-wing “Air America” (does the network still go by that name?) who had Craig Franklin of the Jena Times on about a week ago, speaking of all the media nonsense about “The Jena 6.” Kudos to the host for having Franklin on, but the host was clearly VERY nervous, and made sure to distance himself adequately from his guest.
Half the current books and programs about politics should be titled “Me and My Fabulous Virtue.”
Posted by H. Dumpty at 7:17 PM on November 16
“So what are you trying to imply?”
Nothing left to implication here- why, the guy is explicit as hell!
(Posted by mrs, cremus at 8:52 PM on November 15)
What exactly do you mean by THAT?
Posted by H. Dumpty at 7:22 PM on November 16
Hey guys! Can you be at least nice to us once? Stop your non sense. I arrived in this country for professional reason. I did all my study in Africa with African professors. Three years after my arrival in this country I became the CEO of my company with 25 highly qualified white employees. I took it from the brink of bankruptcy to a sound and health situation. I know I have been to school with more intelligent classmate. I see myself as an average guy. So come on! All this issue with black IQ is just nonsense. Get a life and move on. Racism never helped the world.
Posted by An African at 8:36 PM on November 16
“three years after my arrival in this country I became the CEO of my company with 25 highly qualified white employees… Posted by An African” at 8:36 PM on November 16
If you are so talented, why couldn’t you reproduce your success in your home country? Why do you need whites to guarantee such achievement?
” Get a life and move on. Racism never helped the world.”
If whites were truly racist, you wouldn’t be in this country to
begin with. You must have stumbled onto a rare Indiana Jones - style treasure lode of secret documents entitled ” How a non-white person can come to racist America and still become a fabulous success, and yet still complain about racism. ”
” Hey guy….Stop your non sense.”
That might be the the response you would get if you had any ambitions of reproducing your success in Japan.
Posted by at 12:55 AM on November 17
The job of teachers and schools is to teach the best they can to every student. It isn’t to reduce the achievement gap between some groups of students.
Even though the education of white children is wrecked by the presence of racial minorities who create commotion in the classrooms and need a dumbed down curriculum, what annoys the “education specialists” is that Whites still perform better than Blacks and Hispanics. It shows that white children do no count to their eyes.
Besides, the racial achievement gap does not explain why some students fail to learn how to read. Even the most stupid students should be able to learn to read. The main reason they don’t is that the school system is in the hands of liberals who disapprove of the old teaching techniques that used to work. The obvious fix would be to go back to the techniques that work. It is easy to do, and it would help black children even more that white children, since it is likely that most black parents rely on school to do all the education work. But who really believes the participants in the “gap summit” want to improve school teaching?
Posted by Armorican at 8:57 AM on November 17
“I did all my study in Africa with African professors. Three years after my arrival in this country I became the CEO of my company with 25 highly qualified white employees.” (Posted by An African at 8:36 PM on November 16).
For many months, your posts have given us a fascinating look into the capabilities of “the black mind.” Keep up the good work!
Posted by H. Dumpty at 9:29 PM on November 17
“You can deny all you want, but that won’t make the earth flat to your liking… I bet that the genetically based intelligence difference between you and Albert Einstein is wider than the Grand Canyon”
Kind Sir:
I just don’t believe the ‘racial IQ-gap’ is mostly genetic. I do concede there is likely a genetic difference. If we could somehow control every other variable, any remaining IQ-gap would have to be 100 percent due to genetics! I concede there’s probably a genetic component to racial IQ averages (Im just not convinced the difference goes in the direction you apparently believe it does).
I can sympathize with your position. The establishment says “it’s absolutely positively not genetic”, and because you know this is extremely unlikely, and to wake us up, to bring us to sanity, you argue forcefully in the other direction.
I’m convinced, IQ tests are, in reality, detecting those who’ve grown up with an ignorant and backward mentality. Across the board, there’s no better indicator of someone prone to ignorant, violent or racist behavior.
When assigning their blame for the achievement gap, when they observe that non-whites have low IQ’s and they tell us this must be because whites are ignorant and racist, the establishment always ignores the status of Asians, so there’s no need for them to be discussed here.
Something that hasn’t been brought up… is that this focus on the ‘IQ-Gap’ and this Summit… this whole issue may be in the spotlight in the first place, as an effort to help whites feel better about themselves: to reduce their disfunctions, reduce their resistance, or inspire them to even greater production efforts. Are they going for white-guilt, or white esteem? At what point is white-guilt simply an effort to get whites to ignore their own needs while putting up with ever more discomfort?
If this is in the news to somehow help whites feel better about themselves, the media coverage here, just goes to show, they’re not very good at it. These reporters and professors are only able to defame whites. That’s the only thing they’ve been trained to do. It’s the only thing they know how to do.
Posted by LHathaway at 9:57 AM on November 18
“If whites were truly racist, you wouldn’t be in this country to
begin with.” I’m not at all complaining about racism of whites. My problem is the racism in this forum where you read any kind of stupidity against black. My organisation is not racist at all. I will never let racism stop me. I come from a country with according to “IQ and the Inequality of Natiions” has an average IQ of 70. Which make me really laugh. Most of my compatriots in the US fare very well. They are just amazing. Racism does not stop us It is something we have learnt to live with. I worked in England and I was very appreciated by boss. I’m in this country for the same reason as your great grandparents. You are all descents of immigrants. I think it is a great country and I respect the American people. However, I have real problem understand how some people react against other races be they blacks, whites or asians. IT IS MEAR IGNORANCE.
Posted by An African at 2:53 PM on November 18
“I just don’t believe the ‘racial IQ-gap’ is mostly genetic.”
Beliefs? That pertains to religion or subjectivity. Poster seems to imply that we are just making stuff up, just like the poster does. We have our opinion, and he has his- a mexican standoff, as it were.
The only problem is that science is on our side, in spades. We have overwhelming, non-marginal evidence.
Poster- refute some of the literature that is available on this site. Also discuss the studies of identical twins, who were separated early in life. Also discuss the findings from book, The Blank Slate, that the effects of parents on children is from zero to ten percent.
Posted by TabuLa Raza at 2:56 PM on November 18
”..I believe that students studying psychology are taught in personality testing classes that the African American results are due to environment…”
Posted by jc at 9:50 PM on November 14
According to Dr. Jensen, Professor Emeritus of U.C. Berkeley who has devoted much of his 40 year tenure to the study of general intelligence, or g:
”..’Undergraduate psychology textbooks are misinforming hundreds of thousands of college students on this subject every year,’…. ‘It almost sickens me even to thumb through most of the introductory psychology books published in recent years’…”
When he tried to publish his life’s work on the heritability of IQ:
”.. no fewer than eight publishers turned down his most significant contribution to science, The g Factor. This is a book any publisher should have been delighted to sponsor, but fear of prevailing taboos nearly kept it from being published at all..”
For speaking out on IQ differences Dr. Jensen has been reviled, debased, threatened with death and attacked physically:
“…left-wing radicals physically assaulted him during one of his talks at the University of Minnesota, and the university did nothing to punish the assailants…”
No one will debate him; if anyone had even one scintilla of hard evidence disproving his theories, that person wouldn’t hesitate to take him on:
“…when it comes to racial differences, he can find no one in the field willing to debate him seriously. Non-genetic arguments simply do not hold up: ‘The purely environmental or ‘culture-only’ theory … has had to fall back on a series of ad hoc hypotheses…”
http://www.amren.com/ar/2003/04/
Such is the state of IQ discussion at the present time.
Bon
Posted by BonBon at 8:49 PM on November 18
There was a bit of a follow up in the papers this week. Apparently White teachers are sentenced to even more diversity training. Some are rebelling.
Quite a few White teachers walked out of anti White diversity workshops at the Sacramento conference. Some black teachers wept and wailed at the clapping in Church comment. O’Connell plans to subject White teachers to even more diversity training. Apparently O’Connell has blamed most of the problems on “unconscious racisim” of White teachers. He has also discovered that White teachers harbor “a lot of anger” and he wants to eradicate that anger through degredadation sessions.
White teachers are angry. They are angry at seeing illiterate, vicious bullying blacks promoted to principals making 6 figure incomes. They are angry with ghetto mammas invading their classrooms and threatening them. They are angry that they must spend their days listening to thugs screeching obscenities. They are angry with being assaulted and threatened constantly by ignorant thugs.
But O’Connell plans to degrade the White teachers even more with degrdadation sessions run by a black diversity consultant.
Sounds like Mao’s prison camps for the White teachers.
Posted by at 3:25 PM on November 19
Mr. Taylor’s point about the inter-race “regression to the mean” thesis supporting the idea of blacks being less cognitively able naturally than whites is just specious.
What he ignores in his analysis is that IQ scores always carry an “environmental component”—lesser or greater based on the specific environment itself.
Thus a middle-class white with a fully advantageous environment in terms of the develepment of the cognitive skills that correlate with higher IQs would register a NOMINAL score that would approximate his/her REAL score.
Assume the middle class white scores 120 while a black scores 120. While the nominal scores are equivalent the REAL scores are not—because of the environmental differential. The REAL score of the black could be some 135-140 while that of the white would be 120—given the examples Mr. Taylor offers. In other words normalize the IQ differential between the average score(99) for the black siblings with its comparative white scores—i.e. high IQ white compared to the average score of his/her siblings.
I say this because of the fact that Mr. Taylor claims that the average IQ of the siblings of the 120 IQ black is 99. In this regard the average REAL IQ of the siblings of the 120 IQ black(NOMINAL score 120, REAL score 135-140) would be some 120. The assumption here, of course, is that we have “full environmental equalisation”
This approach would solve the puzzle(if such actually were the case) of the differential between the average scores the siblings of the blacks with IQs of 120 and those of the whites with the same IQ.
RACE AND GRATIFICATION DELAY
A spurious thesis! Recently research groups of simians tested comaparatively with humans in Norway demonstrated significantly MORE gratification delay and “reward patience” than humans. The research entailed exploring the genetic basis—if such exists—for human ethics.
Posted by OCCAM at 7:00 PM on November 19
“…You are all descents (sic) of immigrants…”
Posted by An African at 2:53 PM on November 18
You are wrong.
Many of our ancestors were colonists, not immigrants as there NO country to immigrate to.
Just who do you think created this country? It was not formed out of thin air.
It was created and built by Whites, modeled on British Common Law, despite what the government schools tell you.
Bon
Posted by BonBon at 7:07 PM on November 19
The California state school superintendent has hired this black racist hate Whitey diversity consultant to make further excuses for black and brown students.
GOVERNMENT SCHOOLS’ INDOCTRINATOR
In California, a summit has been called to “close the achievement gap” in government schools. California government school warden Jack O’Connell thinks that minority students are performing poorly because of teachers’ “widespread cultural ignorance.” In other words, the white teachers can’t relate to the black and Latino students.
Now enters a man by the name of Glenn Singleton, who runs the Pacific Education Group in San Francisco. He is a consultant for government schools. They take thousands of dollars of taxpayer funds and give those dollars to this man in return for his words of “wisdom.” He is the ultimate propagator of “diversity training.” He is being hired to teach the Education Department’s racial sensitivity classes.
Let’s get a little taste of Mr. Singleton’s ideology. Well first of all, he says government schools, not parents, play the biggest role in influencing a child. Well, that would go along with what Marx thought. Why do you think he insisted on the government being in charge of childhood education?
Singleton also says says, “If we were to say that black or brown kids don’t perform as well because of their parents, we’re saying black and brown parents aren’t as effective as white parents,” Singleton told The Chronicle. “That’s pretty much a racist statement.” That, of course, is a crock. Culturalist, maybe .. but not racist. Give me parents from a culture of achievement any day over parents who are embedded in the culture of victimization and failure. In Singleton’s mind it is racist to place any responsibility on the parents of these children. Instead, we must blame the white teachers for not being able to connect to minority children. Ok, I hope you stomached that statement because it is about to get worse.
In 2002, Singleton got his hands on Seattle government schools. They hired him to indoctrinate students and staff about racism. So what did he do? He immediately attacked individualism and brands any form of individualism as a form of “cultural racism.” He goes on to say that “only whites can be racist.” There you go … another warrior in the left’s war on individualism.
Singleton also says that planning ahead is a white characteristic and it is racist to assume that minorities will do the same. This reminds me of the professor from a predominately black college in Atlanta who, many years ago, said that the use of logic in an argument was racist. There seems to be no end to this nonsense.
Back to the California schools, Singleton preaches the ubiquity of white privilege and race. He previously made this statement on the topic that California is currently facing: “White teachers (and minority teachers co-opted into the white power structure) stymie black and Hispanic students because they fail to understand their cultures and how daily racial oppression affects their outlook. They also push a curriculum tooled for whites, and are ignorant of the special ways that blacks and Hispanics communicate.”
Excuses, excuses, excuses. Not one word from Singleton on the culture of failure that permeates the urban school experience. You know, the “learning is a white thing” bit.
Still happy with your kids in government schools?
Posted by at 12:44 PM on November 20
”..Quite a few White teachers walked out of anti White diversity workshops at the Sacramento conference…”
This gives me hope as I am about to be marched into one of the Marxist re-education workshops—and I plan to walk out. (and notify F.I.R.E).
http://www.thefire.org/
Could you please post a link.
Bon
Posted by BonBon at 8:01 PM on November 20
The pink elephant in the room: Why Asians do so well under hostile white teachers’ cultural ignorant racism?
Posted by at 1:26 PM on November 21
Why Asians do so well under hostile white teachers’ cultural ignorant racism? Posted by at 1:26 PM on November 21
Asian students do so well because they work their tails off to achieve what is expected of them by their parents and relatives. The friendly and supportive environment that allow such achievement are their white teachers and professors. Thats why asian parents will expend every effort and sacrifice to come to America. The reverse cannot happen; because unlike whites, asians are extremely race-conscious.
Posted by at 9:26 PM on November 23
