Race of the Amish

Steve Sailer, Takimag, June 4, 2014

The conventional wisdom about how race is just a social construct is back in the news with the endless excoriations of Nicholas Wade’s A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race, and Human History. Sadly, the term “social construct” is usually used as an excuse to stop thinking: just announce that scientists have proven that race is socially constructed and you can shut down all cognitive processes without worry that you’ll get in trouble for crimethink.

Yet, as with all thoughtful considerations of nature and nurture, the notion of “social construction” can yield fruitful paradoxes. If social construction is as powerful as its enthusiasts claim, how could it not affect human beings genetically? If a social group constructs a new ideology about who should marry whom, for instance, how would that not alter future lineages and gene frequencies?

For example, America has witnessed over the last ten generations the socially planned breeding of a new endogamous extended family, a fast-growing proto-race that now numbers over 200,000 and is currently on pace to double every 21 years: the Amish.

And, judging from how spectacularly well the Amish have weathered the last half-century’s fertility-depressing social revolution in the surrounding “English” culture, they seem to have a clear flight path to numbering in the millions before the end of this century.

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To a 19th century American, the Book of Genesis provided a vivid example of how a nation is bred: through inbreeding. According to the lurid family history of Abraham’s descendants, the dozen sons of Jacob, the founders of the Twelve Tribes of Israel, had only six unique grandparents instead of the usual eight.

Like most Christian sects with German roots, the Bible-reading Amish were familiar with the Jewish origin stories. They wound up with a social system somewhat like that of the Ashkenazi. Like medieval Jews, the Amish are content to “dwell apart” in the midst of outsiders without having their own state or territory, using ostracism (“shunning”) to enforce their norms, and encouraging high fertility.

Like modern ultra-Orthodox Jews who dress in fashions hundreds of years out of date, the plain clothes of the Amish are perhaps more profitably interpreted less as exercises in religious fanaticism and more as the canny choices of clever leaders constructing the kind of cultures and human beings they most value. The arduous customs of both groups served to exclude the casual and construct barriers to intermarriage.

I had always assumed that the Amish had a religious objection to modern technology, but driving around Ohio’s Holmes County last year, it became clear that their views on technology are more instrumental. For example, most yards had brightly colored plastic children’s outdoor toys such as slides. Plastic toys are a modern invention, but the Amish don’t reject them out of hand for that reason. Instead, they pick and choose the technologies they believe mold the type of people they prefer. (Not surprisingly, the Amish, like the ultra-Orthodox, sometimes fracture into new congregations when charismatic leaders disagree on the right path.)

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The genealogies of the Amish, who have long been literate but not highly educated (eighth grade is considered enough), are well documented on the flyleaves of their family Bibles. They are descended from about 200 ancestors who immigrated from Germany and Switzerland, mostly in the 18th century. Immigration continued in the 19th century, but most of the European newcomers merged into the less hardcore Mennonite churches.

The fairly distinctive genetic signature of the Amish is increasingly studied.

The Amish fight their congenital diseases caused by inbreeding by encouraging courting among their less closely related members. (Unlike the ultra-Orthodox, who battle hereditary diseases such as Tay-Sachs via eugenics, the Amish don’t arrange marriages.) This practice has the paradoxical property of making the Amish more genetically homogeneous.

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{snip} Evolutionary theorists Henry Harpending and Gregory Cochran have recently argued that the Amish are in effect breeding themselves for “plainness.”

This is mathematically quite possible because there has been little gene flow into the Amish in many generations. They seldom proselytize, preferring to grow their own adherents. Large numbers of “English” tourists flow daily past their farms in Amish strongholds like Holmes County, but the Amish aren’t interested in converting them.

Not surprisingly, there’s a steady genetic outflow from the Amish (often into the only somewhat less strict Mennonites, whom certain Amish groups consider a respectable enough alternative to the Old Order that they won’t shun their loved ones who join the Mennonites). As Anabaptists, the new generation of Amish isn’t baptized into the church until young adulthood.

Overall, about 10 to 15 percent leave their Amish community for a less constrained existence. (With an average of close to seven children apiece, losing one to the outside world is less of a tragedy.) Strikingly, the rate of defection appears to have declined from the 18 to 24 percent range seen in the past.

Harpending and Cochran hypothesize that the Amish are genetically distinct not only because of “founders’ effects”–idiosyncrasies in the genes of the 200 original American Amish–but also because they are increasingly becoming more Amish genetically due to “selection effects.”

First, they are likely getting more fertile. The U. of Utah anthropologists go on:

Second, and more interesting, the Amish have probably experienced selection for increased Amishness—an increase in the degree to which Amish find their lifestyle congenial, since those who like it least, leave. We have called this kind of differential emigration “boiling off”. Obviously, if some of the soup boils off, what is left is more concentrated.

They theorize the existence of an Amish Quotient:

One could, with difficulty and a lot of investment, identify dimensions of a hypothetical AQ. It would likely include affinity for work, perseverance, low status competition, respect for authority, conscientiousness, community orientation, and so on.

If the Amish community has typically lost the 10% of its population least Amish by nature, the average AQ would have increased by about 1 AQ point for each of the ten generations in America: that’s nine or ten points in total so far.

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  • propagandaoftruth

    Shunning. Brilliant concept.

    • M.Magog

      A group to be shunned from must exist first. Whites are not allowed to have an identity. How can we shun those that breed out if we have no identity?

      • freddy_hills

        Let’s create our own. It’s not really a matter of not being “allowed”. So we’ll be discriminated against at first. So what? As long as we don’t harass people or break the law, as many people will like us as don’t. And most people won’t care about us one way or the other.

        • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

          If I had the finances I would like to create a pagan Odalist rural community very similar to the Amish.

          • freddy_hills

            That’s the double edged sword of religion. It both brings people together and separates them. I’m more of a nature, science and evolution type than an Odalist. But Odalism would definitely appeal to some.

          • M.Magog

            IF White DNA is seen as the will of God, then the two can come together at this point

          • freddy_hills

            I’ve considered that. But, for me, that would mean making God a metaphor. A personification of universal laws and natural forces. That’s about as far as I could go. I’m not really into miracles and such.

          • M.Magog

            Not a metaphor at all, an intelligence, a being, the universal laws and natural forces are aspects of that being. How can we comprehend all that God is?

          • freddy_hills

            Of course the universe is intelligent. We’re part of the universe and we’re intelligent… sometimes.

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            If the community went by the Poetic Edda it says Odin created our people in the ancient times from wood. better than the Bible which says Yahweh created man from dust and the woman from his rib

          • M.Magog

            funny, I was created when my father had wood

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            There is nothing obscene about it, both are written records. I’m just relaying information

          • Sick of it

            Would the people murder each other for generations due to a minor slight?

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            Dueling was legal in Christian times too. Actually I think it made people more honorable

          • r j p

            White DNA is God.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            You can get the finances you need by forming a core group of people like the Amish had. Start organising and set a minimum amount of members that you want to reach in 20 years.

          • Sloppo

            I really wish some of us would do that.

          • Garrett Brown

            I would definitely be in. I’m done waiting.

          • SentryattheGate

            Haven’t some Europeans had success, for decades, with co-housing? I realize that it’s a much looser arrangement then the Amish communities, but it is a start. I think it gives kids more enthusiasm for growing up and having kids, because, unlike the regular nuclear family, the sharing allows for more time to enjoy life and each other!

          • Melvin Bonzarelli

            If all of the women have to go around stark naked and have sex with any male who asks them, I’m in. Tell me when you plan the first ‘prayer meeting’.

          • Sloppo

            How many diseases do you think you’d have after the first month with that system?

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            Everybody gets prescreened for diseases, no genetic inferiors are allowed

          • Sloppo

            I think you would have to do some screening at the beginning, but there are no people with perfect genetics.

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            I’m referring to common STDs, Diabetes and so forth.

          • M.Magog

            Why pre screen? Are you trying to organize you own personal orgy?

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            People could have AIDS/HIV or numerous other infections. Who wants to be around people like that much less have sexual relations. But anyway the point of the community is not sexual in nature, more like a Aryan wildlife reserve for genetics and pagan culture. The commenter sexualized my cerebral creation, of course procreation is of utmost importance by Blood and Soil mean more

          • M.Magog

            Genetic diseases can actually be bred out of a population. If those who have the double set of the defective gene are prevented from reproducing the incidence of the genetic defect will reduce over time. We also have the ability these days to press screen births, so the more extreme method would be to terminate any fetus that had even one copy of the defective gene.

          • freddy_hills

            You could do that. But that’s not even necessary. If someone has a heritable disease simply have them do IVF and screen their embryos.

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            I’m not running a Charles Manson LSD commune

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Such places already exist. They are called nudist colonies. Such immorality is unacceptable if we are re-kindling our European culture. Sexual activities, in the Amish culture, are supposed to occur within marriage. Infidelity and fornication obviously occur, but they are not condoned. The time is long overdue for Whites to get back to practicing this kind of decency. Negro style sexual degeneracy should have been left amongst the Negroes. Getting back to our cultural roots entails Whites having high morals.

          • Oh great, another pagan community! . . . Just what the world needs most.

          • captainc

            there is already one exists, you just need to reach out.

        • r j p

          I want to create a co-op town. Co-op’s are not financed by traditional government guaranteed loans.Co-ops have to approve all members of said co-op, one nay and you are out. Co-op town would be a gated community, no outsiders can visit without permission. Businesses would be permitted inside certain areas, businesses would be subject to review of practices (i.e. price gouging) and employees would have to be from community (the co-op). Children would be home-schooled (I have a plan for this too). Co-op would own 250-500 feet outside entrance(s) to insure it is private property and that trespassers can be arrested (i.e. no panhandlers). Co-op town would have rules similar to a condominium community (loud/large parties equal fine$). Residents can be expelled (i.e. “episodes” arising from sleeping with neighbor’s wife/husband is grounds for expulsion of both individuals,as are crimes such as theft, assault). Residents have responsibility to community (i.e. community service), community members would be required to serve community for 2-4 hours per week (i.e. cut grass, clean pool, trim trees, pick-up groceries/drug store goods for elderly neighbors (I would add pick up garbage but nice communities don’t suffer from street garbage)). I could go on …..

          • freddy_hills

            Sounds great. I’ve wondered if there was a way to legally do something like that.

          • SentryattheGate

            Look into co-housing communities, going on for 30+ years now in Europe mostly, I think.

          • Robert Haschberg

            The less anal you are about behavior, the more likely your project is to succeed.

      • HJ11

        Who doesn’t allow you to have a White identity? It’s up to each of us individually to assert our identity. Don’t wait for a crowd to form to give you this natural right. If you are born White, this is who and what you are. Don’t apologize for it. Don’t wait for others to “allow” you to be you.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Only crowd following Whites who are weak willed truly lack a sense of identity. Most of us are proud of our heritage, and are still rooted in the heritage of our forebears. This has traditionally been based on a nationality identity that was passed down from our forebears. The nationality part is explicit, while being racially Caucasian is treated as implicit. We refer to ourselves as Irish, German, Italian, etc., and most of us have a pride and sense of identity that stems from this. A lot of the Lefties still live in areas with few Blacks, or other non-Whites. They speak with pride of their Nationality heritage, but become uneasy if the racial basis of that Nationality is mentioned. Whites who have dealt with Blacks cease to take race for granted. By exposure to the Negro race, we become extremely aware that Negroes have a different temperament from Caucasians, and that race is a biologically based reality. We become aware that denying the existence of race amongst humans is pure naïveté.

  • anon

    just announce that scientists have proven that race is socially constructed and you can shut down all cognitive processes without worry that you’ll get in trouble for crimethink

    Ironic that such a thing only exists in the one way world of propaganda, infotainment and media, which has exploded as a marketplace over the internet.
    The average person does not think about race, at all. The average person does not have access to a group of people who think, in any terms, about race, at all. No…there are no groups of liberals out there, demanding that race is a “social construct” or anything else having to do with race. Neither is there any group of any appreciable size that considers race important. These things are artificial. The result of millions of isolated, individuals, going home from lives to which these issues have no relevance whatsoever, hoping onto the internet and typing a few lines as an alternative to watching TV.
    Most people are aware and almost all whites are “awake” so to speak. What they aren’t is organized, in any way. Beyond the nuclear family (and often within the nuclear family), almost all people are isolated and unable to act as a group. No…it’s worse than that. Except anonymously, in a way that is disposable and easily forgotten the next day, all beyond a handful of people don’t even talk to each other about these issues or anything else. They go to work, they do their job, they know no one beyond that group and know no one once they leave. Opinions are generated one way, rather than interactively…usually broadcast from the TV.

    Almost all people would challenge the BS presented that way, if there was anyone to talk to.

    The amish are different. For them, community is everything and outsiders are not welcome. It’s not even an issue. Community and race are synonymous.
    The only reason there is any debate whatsoever on the race issue is lack of community. Race is absurdly obvious under normal circumstances. But, isolate everyone as has been done and suddenly, wild fantasies about diversity can be indulged in.
    But only if you stay inside and never go outside and meet the neighbors.

  • M.Magog

    The Amish are a stunning oasis of white fertility in a sea of modern barrennes! One could also hypothesize that the reason that fewer Amish leave the community is because modern society is much more toxic than it was 50 years ago. IF society had stayed the same, the theory about “boiling off” may hold some weight but the outside world is not the same. Modern culture is becoming a nightmare. In the fifties there were no “performers” similar to “Madonna” who digitally stimulated themselves onstage. There was no open flaunting of homosexuality and gay marriage. There were no “Viley Cyrus”es, no Lindsay Lohans. Male celebrities were not the vapid emasculated boy toys trying vainly to hold onto their youth such as “Brad Pitt” or “George Clooney”. Men didn’t color their hair. Men did not wear earrings nor makeup. Entertainment was not the cesspool that it is today with ever escalating amounts of sex and blood. No, I think society has changed, not the Amish.

    • Garrett Brown

      This. You’ll begin to see whites of all nationalities and cultures start to act “Amish” in their decision making and living habits. I have a feeling we will all turtle up soon in our own communities and shut off the oh so beautiful diverse utopia soon. Marxist/PC America can do whatever it wants, the Amish will continue to be ultra conservative and introverted.

    • Jon Doe

      “No, I think society has changed, not the Amish”

      I think the Amish had right. We use to make fun of them in the 90’s (Amish Paradise) They declined Social Security, by extension exempt from Obamacare, ultra conservative, close family, no/rare race mixing, strict monogamous relationship, non federalize education, learn how build and farm at very young age. Life long friends, common beliefs/ideology tight nit community, they all help each other, support each other, employ each other.
      My God… how right the were from the very beginning.

      • Alexandra1973

        I just had a notion that they’ll be the only ones to keep the White race going…until they get that wonderful diversity forced upon them.

        “Toby can build a barn just as well as you, Levi!”

        • Jon Doe

          No one is helping us.. this is the problem right now. Everyone is waiting for someone to do something, many have tried and many have failed. They had this whole big spring DC march and absolutely nothing happened. The only person to stop this nonsense is someone outside the box, something extreme. Anyone else will be seen as just another “Klan member” It is sad because there a lot of us who knows there is a big problem but almost all of us have too much to risk (family, kids, elderly, health etc) there is nothing these people can do. If we fail we put all these people in mortal danger, literally (Treason) punishable by death

          • Sick of it

            If we do nothing, we will be targeted for extermination regardless. Cowardice makes no sense when the existence of your race is at stake.

          • Jon Doe

            It’s not about being a coward, there are millions of Americans all over this country waiting for someone to step up. You think the people who spent all that time plotting, building, infiltrating, creating this empire of theirs did not make any contingency plans? As much as I hate to admit, these people are very smart and I know for a fact they are all mathematicians, they plan in stages from 5-10-15 years ahead. These people are just not going to lay down and surrender, even as we speak all of these resistance sites (including this) are marked. You, I and anyone who has ever had an internet address, phone number, online profile have been all red flagged. They record/document everything and send it through their algorithm tagging every single possible “domestic terrorist” (the charge/excuse that will be coming soon) I for one is surely is flagged by now. The only reason I free to even type this is because I am not a threat and neither are you. One after another, Brother Nathaniel, David Duke, Alex Jones, Jesse Ventura, Ron Paul, Breitbart, Michael Hasting, Snowden, Assange, JFK on and on etc.. they’re out there and so far all have failed (miserably) the ones that remotely comes close gets “accidented” “Suicided” or gets the ol’ “natural cause” of death. As soon as you are a threat, you will magically be charged with “child pornography” framed for murdering your neighbor/girlfriend etc. You will suffer one way or another way… before anything type of “change” can occur. see. Michael Hastings, how many brand new Mercedes you hear about blowing up? What happens every time a auto maker has a defect? Toyota, GM, Ford etc? Recall and investigation. Did you hear about the Mercedes blowing up all over the US recall?

          • Sick of it

            Being red flagged should not be as terrifying as the literal physical destruction of everyone you know. Modern people just don’t get it. Our ancestors did.

          • Jon Doe

            Dont tell me brother.. tell them, make them understand. You and I already know, maybe you could be the guy to lead them, who knows? They’re out there waiting, you seem pretty adamant on how fed up you are. It takes a first step to start a journey, good luck to you.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      You are absolutely right. The gradual moral downslide of modern society is repulsive. It makes the traditional morals and decency of the Amish especially appealing.

  • borogirl54

    The Amish also practice Rumspringa, which allows young people between the ages of 16 onward to leave the community and go into the outside world. If they choose to return to the community, they get baptized and become members of the community. It they choose to leave after this, they face shunning.

  • Mary

    I have admired the Amish since childhood. They live their beliefs, help and support one another, and produce many White children. I hope they continue to rapidly multiply.

    • Tarczan

      I live near Holmes County and go there a lot just driving around, bike riding, enjoying the scenery etc. As nice as the area is, it just wouldn’t be for me and I think most people would agree. One can still be very religious and not eschew technology.

      Back when I was a slumlord I would sometimes drive straight down there to decompress after dealing with all the crazy darkies in East Cleveland. Black inner cities are ugly bastions of ruin and filth, and Amish areas are clean and orderly.The differences in the people is just amazing. The Amish take responsibility for themselves and are humble and God fearing. The blacks are leeches that constantly complain and whine and can’t and don’t take care of themselves; and most black churches are run by scam artists.

      • M.Magog

        no post in on Amren if you are Amish

      • captainc

        haha, I think we should all create our own Amish and think everyone is inferior because they don’t worship our God, something like Judaism but less stumpefying rituals, something that meets our criteria of religion and community.

  • italian guy

    Some time ago i heard about a genetic research according to which is possible to produce millions of sane individual from a pool of 160 people, does anyone know about it? I think it’s the same concept, it’s incredible how a race is a big family in the strict sense of the word.

  • David Ashton

    An admirable community. Their medical genetic profile needs further comment. A pity they do not invite culturally acceptable healthy converts to broaden their deme.

    • Alexandra1973

      You can become Amish. As I said in another post you just have to follow their rules.

      Personally, I would not, because they believe hard work helps you get into heaven, when in reality it’s Christ’s sacrifice. Still, there’s nothing wrong with hard work.

      I also don’t think they’d want the tiny bit of Amerind ancestry I have.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        If you are Northern European looking, I doubt that a smidge of AmerIndian descent would be a problem. David Yeagley was an awesome spokesman for White Americans. Having spent some time around both Hispanics and AmerIndians of Iroquois descent, it seems to me that the AmerIndians from North America must comprise a pretty distinct sub race from the South American AmerIndians. Both appearance and temperament are just too different. So many of the reservations are peaceful places where folks farm and fish, so radically different from what comes here from South of the border.

  • M.Magog

    Ideology is essential for the maintenance of a race or ethnic group. The marxists have been attacking and trying to destroy the ideologies of the west for fifty years and their efforts have been bearing fruit. Those who call themselves “race realists” and who are sincerely interested in the preservation of the white race must realize that “modernity” with it’s secularism and it’s denial of all distinctions is the true enemy that must be defeated.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      I have made similar comments in the past. I think secular conservatism is basically impossible for most whites.

      • IstvanIN

        I believe you have to have some belief in something bigger than yourself or what’s the point?

        • M.Magog

          Wait a minute though. When whites are taught that “values” are more important than family and group survival, we end up where we are today. WE must have a connection between family/group survival and values, otherwise we are “free agents”. A free agent can live his life all by the rules, but it is a life disconnected from others. It is our connection to others, our fight for something bigger than ourselves with OTHERS of OUR KIND that matters. IT is the survival of one’s group that it the most important value. Without connection to a group, the other values are empty.

          • IstvanIN

            I agree. I think part of the “bigger” picture is fidelity to your family, friends and nation. Fail them and face the big guy on the other side.

          • M.Magog

            I think the Amish have it right.

          • Sick of it

            The naysayers, being non-believers, don’t understand the concept of honor thy father and mother.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            The Libtards have a perverted conception of values. They try to convince folks that “color blindness” is a virtuous mentality. Being blind to racial differences is stupidity and naïveté, not virtuous. A person of true moral virtue, should they be exposed to Negro behavior, will not be able to approve of what they see, unless they willfully dismiss the harsh reality they have witnessed. A White person who is guided by a moral compass in their daily living cannot possibly approve of Negro behavior, or of the attitudes towards others most Blacks have, if they are honest with themselves. The vast majority of Blacks treat others horribly, and have sewer morals. Their behaviors are why they were despised by older generations, and why they are despised today by many of us.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      The national socialist philosopher Alfred Rosenberg tried to establish an Aryan race religion of the blood, one that was based on the worship of white racial blood purity. There was worship of Wotan and the old Norse gods. However, these weren’t seen as possessing an independent metaphysical reality. They were considered personifications of the ideals of blood and race.

      The ideal neopagan cult is, despite external ritual, atheistic. Whites would end up worshiping themselves as gods. The neopagan revival would also necessitate a direct frontal assault on the Christian churches, which are the great enemies of white racial consciousness. The Christian religion champions such values as love, charity and humility, values that are completely at odds with the Viking warrior ethic.

      • M.Magog

        They were ignorant of DNA at the time. I see no reason to go all neopagan.

      • Worshipping yourself sounds like a good way to be a self-absorbed maniac.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Whites would only be worshiping themselves because they’re white. They would also be worshiping other whites because they share the same whiteness and the same white racial consciousness. In other words, the idea of whiteness itself would be collectively worshiped as a personification of the divine.

          Whites would only be self-absorbed as far as race traitors and the nonwhite races are concerned, but when it comes to fellow racially aware whites, they would show the utmost concern. This is because their fellow racially aware white is also a visible manifestation of the Nordic godhead. To dishonor him would be an act of hubris before the white gods.

          • M.Magog

            We would be seeing how we differ from the other races and seeing gods will in that, that is all, that is not self worship.

          • I don’t think there is anything importantly white about excessive clannishness, which is what you essentially seem to be advocating: a religion built upon race. I certainly agree that whites need a greater racial consciousness, and even that racial consciousness needs to (re)become a part of white culture, but a religion that is not based in some genuine metaphysical perception(s) is doomed; at the very least, it won’t be fulfilling.

            Maybe I don’t understand what you are really getting at. I’m not sure what you meant by, “the idea of whiteness itself would be collectively worshiped as a personification of the divine.” An idea cannot be a personification, so I guess what you meant was that each white person is an embodiment or aspect of some divinity? In that case, why not just worship the divinity? Clarify?

          • Sick of it

            This has been done before…

            “Ukrainian Jew 1973 – Church Of The Creator

            Ben Klassen was born in 1918 in the Ukraine, to a wonderful
            Jewish family. When he was six, he and his family fled the Ukraine
            to try to start life anew in Saskatchewan, Canada. He was 22 when World War Two started, and as with most Jewish men, he sat the war out in college. He later joins the John Birch Society — which is now known as a “smokescreen for the Jews”. Next, he moves to Florida and participates in George Wallace’s 1968 presidential campaign.

            In 1973, Klassen formed the COTC with the publication of a
            511-page tome entitled “Nature’s Eternal Religion”.

            Klassen runs his church for 20 years without any trouble from the
            ADL and such. In 1992, he decides to sell his North Carolina
            headquarters compound to William Pierce, head of the neo-Nazi
            National Alliance. Klassen turns the church over to a Mr. Wilson,
            who fires him and replaces him with a Richard McCarty, a
            telemarketer.

            In 1993, Klassen commits suicide by an overdose of sleeping
            pills.” www jewwatch com/jew-hatehoaxes-american-nazis html

      • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

        Certain parts of the SS worshipped the ancestral Gods, rituals were performed at Wewelsburg, offering were made like the Chiemsee Cauldron. Attempts were made to reconstruct the ancient worshipping place of Externsteine. Some believe the Old Gods are a external force

    • IstvanIN

      Communists destroy religion, aristocracy and natural gender roles in order to bring a nation to its knees. There is a reason.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      We do indeed. What we need most is for churches to get back to a healthy sense of race realism, and to preach it boldly from the pulpit. We need to speak against racial integration, as God made a segregated world with the four major races each occupying a continent, and separated by geographical barriers. Integration is a man made event that began by accident, as European explorers discovered the other continents. Churches should be taking a strong stand against miscegenation, and for segregation as a manifestation of God’s will. Religion and politics are too intertwined in the West.

  • freddy_hills

    There’s no reason we can’t do the same after our own fashion. I’ve though we should for several years.

    • M.Magog

      You can not motivate people to reproduce without a connection to a deeper meaning of life. It can not be done just for the purposes of increasing numbers, it has to be genuine.

      • freddy_hills

        I have a deeper meaning of life. This very much ties into my religious beliefs… and I’m not talking about middle eastern religion.

        • M.Magog

          aren’t you spehhhh-shull

      • JSS

        A deeper meaning in life does not mean that meaning has to be disconnected from duty to your people and community. Passing on your ancestors blood and genes and raising healthy children used to be considered a duty.

        • M.Magog

          I agree whole heartedly, I posted something expressing this but it contained a link. Here it is without the link, which was to the essay “Morality and Abstract Thinking, How Africans may differ from …”
          A “new Church”, a “Church of the Divine Double Helix”, a church that teaches that our genetics are a divine creation with a divine mission must be created. A church that must teach that we are in a battle with the forces of evil, that are represented by the DNA of lower orders. A church that must teach that it is our duty to the will of God that we preserve our race and multiply it. Then from that , we have the moral laws, but the survival of the race comes above all other things, as lower orders do not have the capacity for morality
          From this Church, the mistakes of the past, the mistakes of trying to help the lower orders, of trying to feed them, medicate them, civilize them etc. would not be made. Those mistakes would be in direct opposition to the theology of the new church, to increase the lower orders increases the realm of evil.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            The Negro race is indeed incapable of morality. They have a completely different temperament from the other races. I have had the misfortune of spending time around many Blacks in my life, many of them well educated and more intelligent than most of their race. I believe firmly that they are incapable of grasping the concepts of Christian morality that guide a group such as the Amish. To most Blacks, concepts such as compassion and empathy are foreign. They laugh at the notion of people getting along. This is why their version of Christianity is so perverted, and why Black behavior needs to be discussed in brutally honest fashion in White churches. The Negro race has done nothing but harm to the White race, and will never do anything but harm to us. The only way to rebuild Western Civilization is to again segregate this lowest race of humans, and avoid contact with them as much as possible. The emulation of their depraved ways is the number one enemy of Western Civilization.

      • LHathaway

        Well, perhaps the Amish live in small communities? I’ve heard it said ‘evolved’ humans can live in groups as large as 120, whereas more primitive humans can only live in groups as large as 100. Once the number is reached, some must break off to begin a new tribe. Perhaps once a tribe reaches 120, it becomes difficult for members to see the importance of their genetic contribution and continuance through children. Of course, nowadays, with mass communication and the information age, there is no way, even if one lived in a self contained and continuing tribe of 120, for one not realize the outside world is very large and their genetic contribution through children, is very insignificant if not meaningless.

        That is why they want us to have a love for society.

  • Good and interesting read.

  • Dave4088

    At least the Amish don’t try to destroy the host nations in which they reside and appropriate its wealth through various and sundry ponzi schemes. But the Amish are in dire need of enrichment and could use some mestizo sex offenders and gang bangers, Haitians, and radical Sunni Muslims in their communities.

    • Alexandra1973

      They don’t pay Social Security tax because they don’t use it, and they don’t believe in health insurance. They take care of their elderly and they all pitch in if someone has medical bills.

    • M.Magog

      I understand the sarcasm, still, don’t even say that.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Blacks destroy every community they settle in. They belong in Africa, not in White nations. They are violent, ungrateful, sociopathic leeches.

  • r j p

    If the Amish community has typically lost the 10% of its population least Amish by nature, the average AQ would have increased by about 1 AQ point for each of the ten generations in America: that’s nine or ten points in total so far.

    If America lost all it’s negroes (12% of pop with average 85 IQ) overnight, the average American IQ would rise by 3 points in a 12 hour period. Residual benefit would then begin.

    • Jon Doe

      14-16% 1/2 mix abominations count as Black, a lot of 1/4 Negroes as well, (1 drop rule) unfortunately a rising trend.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      It would be a blessing if we could lose all of our Negroes. Whites create, Negroes steal and destroy.

  • redpill99

    If homosexuality is genetic i wonder how frequent the genes of homosexuality is in the Amish

    • M.Magog

      It is NOT genetic. IT is a CONDITION , similar to post traumatic stress disorder, that is brought about by a failure to develop an self identity that is separate from the mother. AN absent or disinterested father is something that causes this. An overly sensitive nature in the child and an overly aggressive father that scares the male child back to forming it’ identity from the mother is another cause. Reparative therapy is highly successful if it occurs before the individual engages in six and conditions a sexual response to homosexual activity. It is also successful if started after this has taken place but to a lesser degree and only with much motivation. Nevertheless, contrary to what the gay organizations preach, there are many cases of successful corrections. Homosexual organizations also suppress the facts that there are a very good number of spontaneous corrections that have always happened, which created the once widespread notion that “it is just a phase”. When society was much more non- accepting of homosexuality, it was more often than not just a phase.

    • M.Magog

      Apparently, there are none. There is no allowance for a homosexual in the Amish world. A male gets married, that is it.

      • IstvanIN

        Or some leave the community or they may have the odd bachelor or old maid.

        • M.Magog

          Do they have the odd bachelor old auntie? I do not know that much about them.

          • IstvanIN

            Just a guess. There has always been the odd bachelor or old maid aunt, not everyone finds a mate and they don’t arrange marriages.

          • M.Magog

            I just looked at some pages and there was no mention of any Amish person staying single. I think they are expected to find a mate, no matter what. There comes an age when they are supposed to find one. I do not think they can pass that age without getting married. I think that would be considered a rejection of their faith and they would be shunned. Most likely a very practical approach is taken towards marriage. They are not looking for romance, they are looking at starting a family as if it was a business arrangement. If one needs a car to be a salesman, then one buys one, whatever car one can get.

          • IstvanIN

            Perhaps something between romance and a business arrangement, I would hope.

          • M.Magog

            A line from “Fiddler on the Roof”, “with his eyes and her looks it’s a perfect match!”

  • M.Magog

    The jewish religion did not protect the jews from assimilation as effectively as the Amish religion has protected them. There are a people in Africa called “The Lemba”, they are the remains of a population of jews that migrated to africa. They are totally african aside from a few genetic markers. Jews that moved throughout the world have assimilated into the genetics of their host lands. The Jews of Kaifeng China were totally Chinese. The Jews of Europe while not as assimilated as those of China, did tend to resemble the host people’s of the lands in which they resided.

    • Melvin Bonzarelli

      Medical reports (not widely publicized for obvious reasons) from hospitals around the country indicate that in hospitals and medical centers where there are pediatric clinics, obstetrics programs, and birthing centers, and routine DNA testing (for genetic diseases or defects) is done, there seems to be a pretty steady figure that indicates that fifteen percent (15%) of the children born in those facilities have been fathered by a male other than the mother’s husband or putative mate. Probably a constant number throughout human history.

      • M.Magog

        Without a breakdown regarding race and ethnicity your figure is meaningless. I would say that the figure for africans is 90%. That would skew the figures considerably. I would think the figures for asians who have the lowest sex drives, are about 1-2% .I doubt that this applies at all to the Amish, and even in the rare occasions when it does, the father of the child is likely to be another Amish male for the simple reason that the people they come into contact with from the outside world is strictly controlled.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Take “putative mates” out of the equation and I’d bet dollars to donuts that those figures are MUCH lower for the legally married. Combine that consideration with the low-and-still-dropping proportion of Blacks who even bother to get married any more and the true outlines of the problem become clear.

    • Sick of it

      A lot of white or whitish groups in Africa were forced into the black African population during the collapse of white African civilization in the Middle Ages. They didn’t exactly have a choice. And then there were the muslim conquerors who had the hots for black women.

  • Melvin Bonzarelli

    If you or member of your family ever comes down with a serious illness or a treatable disease, and you head over to your doctor or to the hospital, you can be sure that the physician who treats you, or the pharmacist who prepares your medication, or the medical researcher who discovered a cure for your illness will definitely NOT be Amish.
    However, if you just want to buy some really good sweet corn, the Amish are the ones to go to.
    Think about it. And stay healthy.

    • kikz2

      or kick-ass peanut brittle.

    • M.Magog

      yeah, so , all that medicine and our numbers are falling. The Amish do not use any of that, and their number double every generation. I avoid all medicine myself. Live right and it is not necessary.

      • Ella

        I’ve been to their real market stores. You can buy many prepackaged herbs in their stores, with directions, to treat various illnesses. They will use hospitals and the Amish will collect monies to pay the cash price for services. Can you imagine Latinos or Blacks doing this?

        • M.Magog

          Yes, herbs are good. Turmeric and Cinnamon are even effective at lowering blood sugar. Oil of oregano is quite effective against many bacteria and viruses. Then there is food grade h2o2, used in a nebulize it can do wonders for many things.
          As far as degenerative diseases are concerned, and aging in general, one needs to understand what is going on. Mineral imbalances are a major factor. As we age we have too much iron and calcium and not enough magnesium. IP6 is good for reducing iron and calcium. It is even said to dissolve kidney and gall stones. Take IP6 and Alcar,along with Lipoic Acid, daily and you will delay many of the problems that come with aging.
          ALcar helps mitochondria function as they did when one was young. Mitochondrial decay and reduction in number are another big thing going on with aging. Epicatechin, which is found in non alkali processed cocoa also stimulates mitochondrial biogenesis. Cocoa powder has too much copper and iron in it though, so one needs to take the IP6 with that. No one sells just plain epicatechin at the present time. IP6 is not that expensive.Exercise too, intense exercise, about 20 minutes a day, also stimulates mitochondrial biogenesis.
          Another problem with aging is the binding of glucose with proteins, and fisetin helps disrupt that process as well.

          • Hallie Eva

            Both oregano and cocoa/chocolate interfere with Ferrous absorption and utilization. Those with a tendency to be anemic should take heed.

  • kikz2

    is there no middle ground? these are my choices? my daughters choices? luddite religious fanatics, or soddom/ghamorrah? i’m not asking to return to the 50’s.. but gd.. maybe even the 80’s?

    • Sloppo

      The world of the “religious fanatics” is looking better to me as the rest of the world becomes increasingly “enriched” by “diversity” and “gender bending”.

      • Ella

        Amen…. they are having Germanic kids!

        • Bossman

          Germanic kids who will be simpletons. If they take religious fables very seriously then they can’t be too intelligent.

          • M.Magog

            IF IQ is hereditary, then it does not matter what their theology is. bright mind is a bright mind.

          • Bossman

            Well then, if they’ve got bright minds, sooner or later, they will reject the Amish lifestyle.

          • Martel

            In exchange for what other lifestyle?
            Consumerism?

          • Sick of it

            In exchange for Bossman’s beloved bronze race.

          • M.Magog

            Why? They do not exist by YOUR rules.

          • Alexandra1973

            They are given a choice. Plenty of districts do what’s known as “rumspringa”–they can sow their wild oats, so to speak, and decide which way they want to go.

            For your information, I am a fundamentalist Christian and my IQ is pretty high. High enough to have been in gifted/accelerated classes in school.

            On top of that, it’s my understanding that Germans have the highest IQ among Whites.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Bossman is a Schmalzekoupf. I’d rather read Engleman’s reflections any day. Bossman hasn’t a clue how much intelligence successful farming requires. If he understood this, he would not have so casually insulted the Amish. I live near a large Amish settlement. They are excellent farmers, woodworkers, and cheese makers. What America needs is more of the work ethic and honesty practiced in the Amish community.

          • IstvanIN

            Or, perhaps, being self-sufficient, hard work, faith and family are more important to satisfaction in life than BMWs, being a bank president, being a border hopping illegal or collecting welfare and being a layabout.

          • M.Magog

            ABMW is great, one can spend a good portion of one’s life stuck in traffic with one of those. Yelling at other drivers, giving the finger, trying not to soil yourself because one needs a restroom. But you can do all of that….in style.

          • Hallie Eva

            In these parts, BMW means “Basic Marin Wheels.”
            They are 100 percent pure Type A jerks on the freeway.

          • Medizin

            They are very good at woodworking, designing and making furniture, fireplaces they sell on one of the home shopping networks. Very high quality and expensive. Their quilts can’t be matched, some selling for over $1,000 each. Also, they sell their produce and meats at many farmers markets. Some of them make good money.

          • The Dude

            Maybe they will, some day. But meanwhile, they’re having seven kids each, and we desperately need that.

          • Ella

            There are the worker-bees and fewer managers.

          • IstvanIN

            Simpletons who are civilized and industrious and have well ordered, functioning societies. The Mexicans on the other hand……

      • Sick of it

        No man honestly likes having to guess if she is really a she or only pretending to be a she.

      • MikeofAges

        I have thought about this myself. It is an ominous choice in that once you make it and have stuck with for awhile, there is no turning back.

    • M.Magog

      The fifties look awesome compared to the world of today.

      • kikz2

        agreed, but i’d rather stay this side of the microchip divide….

        • M.Magog

          oh, I see what you mean.

        • Sloppo

          One little problem about having microchips in everything is that one EMP could make us all Amish whether or not we’re ready.

          • kikz2

            nods… one EMP away……
            i do love low tech secondary back up though…..ya have to living/growing up in hurricane/tornado country.

          • Sloppo

            It’s good to have that backup and know how to use it, but our biggest problem could be all the nearby people who are not prepared.

          • M.Magog

            If your electric company can not get back up and running, then you are out of luck no matter how many back ups you have.

          • Mergatroyd

            There are portable solar generators that I’ve been looking at, they run around $1500 and there are kits as well for less. It’ll keep your refrigerator going at least, is quiet and doesn’t use fossil fuels which may run out.

          • M.Magog

            one needs to buy dangerous fuels for those. Fuels that will not be available for long she TSHTF. The waste heat generator can be run off of anything, twigs, wood chips, coal, coal dust,…anything that burns.

          • M.Magog

            One needs to have their own electricity generator. Check out the “Cyclone Steam Engine” and it’s “waste heat engine”. No need for noisy internal combustion generators that require fossil fuels and emit poisonous gasses. The cyclonic steam engines use pistons.

            I have an idea for using the steam generated to displace water and power a turbine. The steam from the boiler could be fed to the top of a a large tank of water. The steam comes in the top and displaces the water out the bottom and that runs to a turbine. There could be a float on the water that activates a steam release valve ( that release valve is at the top of the tank) when the float gets near the bottom. This would allow the tank to fill again so the process could repeat. There could be a few such tanks that would all be operated in a sequence so as to keep the water pressure at the turbine the same . A few such tanks could all be powered from the same cyclone boiler. One could engage another boiler and more tanks when more power is needed. The cyclone boiler is nothing more than a modified boiler from the Doble steam car of the 1930s. There is a youtube video of Jay Leno demonstrating his Doble steam car. The boiler is about the size of an average car engine block.

            Steam, in a turbine is how most electric plants create electricity. The problem with steam though is that it corrodes the metal in the turbine, which needs regular replacement, and it also is not good for small scale use as it does not have much torque. I came up with this idea as Cyclone steam engines are patented at this point, so mass producing them would be expensive. I tried to come up with something that could be easily built by your average Joe with some knowledge of things involved. Of course, one would need rather strong tanks, and I am not an engineer so this idea is all theoretical. If I had the time and resources I would try to build one.

          • Kenner

            Magog, you should run that past Michael Christopher Scott.

          • Mergatroyd

            You are the next James Watt.

            Yes, everyone needs some sort of power generator, but make it a quiet one so you won’t attract the attention of nosey neighbors.

            Imagine when the “money’s no good” and EBT cards are cut off. One is six Americans uses an EBT card to buy food, the cost of which is skyrocketing. The government may use food as a weapon as the Soviet government did in the 30s against Ukrainians.

            As the old expression goes: ” Every nation is nine meals away from anarcny and revolution.”

          • M.Magog

            steam is very quiet

          • Robert Haschberg

            You could just use the steam to spin the turbine directly instead of using your pneumatic-hydraulic converter. Thats how a steam turbine works. Water is not corrosive as long as it is destilled. If you still do not want to use water there are oxygen-less liquids that you can boil and use as a steam medium, but that will cost more.

          • Mergatroyd

            That’s why if you prep, keep your mouth shut and keep a low profile.

          • M.Magog

            ahhh, well, computers and such CAN be hardened against such things.

          • M.Magog

            When all of our culture exists in “the cloud”, all of the movies, books, music, designs, plans, technologies etc. Then in the blink of an eye, it can all be obliterated. Perhaps the Human Race has been here before. Perhaps that is why the very very ancients carved their writings into STONE. Perhaps they tried to preserve as much as the smartest members amongst them could remember.

          • Sloppo

            That’s an interesting thought.

          • Sick of it

            It’s likely that the original founding stock of humanity was far more intelligent than we are. The possibilities are boundless.

          • JohnEngelman

            The probabilities are limited.

            Since human evolution began six million years ago our ancestors have become steadily more intelligent. Civilization has placed even more evolutionary pressure in favor of superior intelligence.

            Computer technology increases even more the relationship between intelligence and income.

          • Sick of it

            Actually, computer technology allows people with low IQs to perform functions once performed by more intelligent people. They use the machines to do the mental work for them.

          • JohnEngelman

            To the extent that is true, the people with the low IQ’s do not get paid as much as the more intelligent people used to.

            Computer technology enables geniuses to earn vast fortunes. It creates careers for those of superior intelligence. It reduces the economic value of jobs that those of average and below average intelligence can learn.

          • Sick of it

            Considering that engineers start out at less than they did 20 years ago, I’d dare say that wages have been falling across the board.

          • JohnEngelman

            Wages have been falling, but profits have been rising. As far as the Republican Party is concerned, that is fine.

            Those who cannot understand why so many whites continue to vote Democrat should ponder those facts.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Shades of Fahrenheit 451. We’d all better pick a classic to memorize NOW, else the only book to survive the apocalypse will be the Qur’an.

          • IstvanIN

            Except they are capable of surviving, us not so much.

          • M.Magog

            A steam powered electricity generator does not necessarily need microchips. It is also to build computers that are hardened against EMPs.

        • Sick of it

          On this side, people stop developing things as revolutionary as the microchip.

      • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

        1050 a.d looks even better

        • M.Magog

          what happened then?

        • Bossman

          Europe was just starting to get out of the Dark Ages in 1050 AD.

          • M.Magog

            would one have to wear their version of “skinny jeans”? Those tights that we see in costume dramas.

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            I’d live in Iceland or Vinland

          • ThomasER916

            Wrong.

        • Alexandra1973

          I’d say Reformation period. That’s when you started having a middle class.

        • Mergatroyd

          No thanks. I prefer to live in the age of antibiotics.

          • Ed

            Was your hands it works just as well.

          • M.Magog

            that age may now be part of the past as we enter the age of “antibiotic resistant strains”. Sorry ol buddy.

      • Spikeygrrl

        I’d return to the 50s in a heartbeat, were it possible. In many ways all of us — especially women — have TOO MANY life choices available. Just as in fine dining, it’s SO much easier to order from a limited menu, especially when you already know that all choices will be tasty.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Same here. I wish I could pull a Back to the Future, effectively returning to that era, but with the mission of warning Whites about the future. We need a do-over!!

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        So does the late nineteenth century.

        • M.Magog

          From the security of the present, the past always looks better. Why? Because we know we end up making it to today.

    • Ella

      The Amish are nice people. I have done business with them, and they were neighbours of my relatives back home. I used to practice my German with them. We were the Amish 200 years ago and used only one book in schools, the Bible.

  • JohnEngelman

    With seven children per family how does each married couple get a farm of their own?

    • M.Magog

      They buy land

    • Ella

      Many who cannot afford to buy land or bid against big corporations for farm lands do work in gas stations, restaurants and convenient stores. No job is “too good” for the Amish, and most work hard. They shun the slackers and free loaders as punishment.

  • Alexandra1973

    I live in Wayne County, Ohio, which borders Holmes to the north. A Walmart around here has a huge hitching rail in the parking lot–Amish parking, I call it.

    When I first moved down here from the Detroit area it was something of a culture shock. But I like it here.

    I bet you’ll never see a black Amishman. You can become Amish, but you have to play by their rules. Somehow I don’t think some gangsta’s going to want to do barn raising.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Wayne County is nice. Everything in Ohio East of Columbus and Mansfield, and South of Canton and Youngstown needs to secede from Columbus. A new state of South Ohio could be formed, with a capital in Cambridge. Demographics and Crime in this section are currently similar to WV, a stark contrast to the section just to the North.

  • 4321realist

    “The genealogies of the Amish, who have long been literate but not highly educated (eighth grade is considered enough), ”

    If their education through 8th grade is as extensive as what used to be the norm in this country years ago, then the average Amish kid will run circles around the H.S. grads today, and will completely over shadow blacks in reading, writing and math.

    • IstvanIN

      I would imagine the average Amish 22 year old has better reading comprehension and writing ability than the vast majority of colored liberal arts graduates.

  • M.Magog

    The Amish do not live for retirement. Us Englishers live compartmentalized lives which is a big reason why our numbers are falling. WE live for College and retirement. Neither thing exists in the Amish world. Their retirement is their children. Their lives are always connected one period to the next. They also do not live for pride or accomplishment. Ironic that they are actually, as a group, much more successful than us in what really matters-survival. They are also most likely much happier. They are happier because happiness is not their goal, doing the right thing is, and for them that is a very concrete thing. They work , they build, they marry, they raise kids, they take care of their parents, they take care of their grandkids, they worked for as long as possible, they are taken care of after that. They avoid “hochnung” (pride in accomplishment) in all things where we are taught to have hochnung in all things. Theirs is a world where there is no place for much of what we have. They are the meek, and I hope they inherit the earth.

    I personally detest the way we are supposed to live, as Americans. Always for retirement. I see a day when all those 401Ks are seized by this government and I will be laughing. As an artist, I can not fathom not enjoying what I do and waiting until I am crippled with old age to start living.

    • IstvanIN

      I actually work with people in their 40s who can not wait for retirement. I tell them don’t wish your life away.

      • M.Magog

        The whole country is like that. They sit there building their 401K castles in the sky while at work.

        • Ella

          Eventually to spread the wealth to ALL these illegals and others who didn’t or couldn’t save in the USA, they will distribute or nationalize private accounts at the end. If not, it will be taxed so heavily like 50%. No one will care that you have made sacrifices or did overtime for your retirement. I can hear the echoes, but “people are hurting and can’t keep working.” You were “lucky” to have a good job.

      • M.Magog

        Remember that scene from Schindler’s list? Seinfeld mocked it in an episode that is currently playing on Crackle. The episode is “the Raincoats II”. Schindler is all morose at the end of the film and thinking about how many more he could have saved. he looks at his ring and says “I could have gotten x number out with this ring.” Well, how about the present, one or two child American families? When they die do they think. ” I could have had three more children if it wasn’t for the -vacations, eating out, clothes, cars, boats, vacations, gifts to others for the purpose of looking like a big shot, the career that promised a big return for working extra hours and weekends for the first twenty years, the expensive college for the one kid instead of community or no college for several kids, the one kid who we sent to the expensive college turned out gay, dead from drugs, in jail etc.. etc.. etc..

        • MikeofAges

          People sign on to the idea of everyone trying to climb over everyone else’s back. If they decided that community college or state college was good enough for their family members, then would have to fight the system to make those degrees mean something. The option of fighting it out over issues and working in a unified way is not the white American’s DNA, not right now anyway. Maybe it never was.

          The middle class white American has Calvinism, Social Darwinism and, today, Cultural Freudian built into his DNA. He thinks that all he has to do is prove his worth against some pre-established metric and his “worth” will take care of him. When things do not go his way, he just goes into a big funk, and pouts and sulks about it.

          Time for another and more forceful answer, one backed up, if by nothing else, then by legal muscle and with punishment at the ballot box.

          • MikeofAges

            Darn, replying to my own post. Add to that, punishment at the cash register.

        • Ella

          Too many White men love their bank accounts and image where family has no interest to them.

          • M.Magog

            They will be clutching their 401Ks as hordes of illegals tear the limb from limb

    • Vyncennt

      We have a theory/saying among our little group of close friends and family: The day you stop working is the day you start dying. We may not be able to prove it conclusively, but the evidence is rather difficult to ignore.

      • DiversityIsDeath

        I have heard it said in this witty little way– “If you REST, you RUST.”

        • M.Magog

          Actually, according to one theory of aging, it is actually “rusting”. Our cells accumulate iron as we live. IT is held in structures called “Lysosomes” within the cells. The longer we live, the more lysosomes and the more iron we accumulate. Iron produces a lot of free radicals and the membranes of lysosomes break down at some point and leak the damaging waste into the cells.

  • Our Multicultural Marxist open-borders overlords are creating such a nightmare of the PC walking undead that by comparison life amongst the Amish seems like Nirvana. Sign me up (if I can keep my laptop for my connection to AmRen and friends).

    • Ella

      Mennonites might allow you to keep your laptop; if not, hide it in the attic and no one will know of your secret! Some Amish have hidden cell phones, beer and such until their caught. We are only human. I thought of joining Mormon or Mennonites being the last of a true community.

      • Thank you, Ella, now I just need to work on becoming more plain. Although as I get older, this is becoming less of a problem.

  • dusa1957

    Imagine if we could “boil off” our Negroes and mestizos and become more white each year. I can only dream of a rising WQ (white quotient). Wish it worked that way.

  • Jon Doe

    15% illegals count

  • none of your business

    One of my brothers is a farmer. He says the Amish are the wealthiest farmers in America, richer than even corporations like Jolly Green Giant and the Kern County Land Company. It is because of debt to profit ration. Mechanized farmers owe millions on all those $50,000 tractors, mechanized manure gutters and spreaders and the other equipment. The Amish just breed their equipment, all it costs is to feed and shelter a young horse or mule for 2 years until it is ready to go to work. The simple Amish farm equipment can easily be repaired at home instead of using a professional mechanic. No expensive tires, batteries gas and oil either.

  • none of your business

    Melvin Bonzarelli

    The French public health department did a study a few years ago. They matched the DNA of newborns with the DNA of the men named as Fathers on the birth certificates. Turned out that 10 percent of the babies were not the children of the Fathers named on the birth certificates.

  • Malgus

    We live smack in the middle of a Mennonite and Amish stronghold here in Kentucky (yep, we got em here, too). Solid people. Good people. They are rather accepting of us since we speak German most of the time and treat them well, and not as tourist attractions. They don’t consider us “English”. Even hired some of them to work on our farm before – no complaints whatsoever and would do so again if I had a mind to. While they were here, I had an opportunity to debate religion with one of the older Mennonites. A very well spoken people.

    The only thing I disagree with is their complete rejection of modern weaponry and defense of self. When things blow up here in the US (and they will), the Mennonites and Amish will be easy pickings for our modern Visigoths… but, and here’s the rub, I asked a Mennonite once what would happen if things got bad here in the US… would they defend themselves? The answer was “no”. But they have no problems with others (like me and mine) fighting to defend them. As they are worth defending – a population of Germans and Swiss- I’m okay with this.

    • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

      An animal that does not defend its life and family has no place in Nature.

      • Malgus

        In case you haven’t noticed, Europe is being overrun with slime from every 3rd world nation on Earth. Our numbers are dwindling. You seem rather eager to throw them under the bus.

        The Amish and Mennonites, to me, represent my racial brethren and sistren. My family is German. The Amish and Mennonites are German and Swiss. We speak German around the house and in public and get along well with them. Their bloodlines represent a cache of genetic stock found few places on Earth anymore. They ARE my family – my racial group – and as such I owe them my allegiance.

        Will I fight to defend them? Yep. Same as I would fight to defend any member of my close blood relatives who was unable or incapable of defending themselves.

        If I choose to defend my racial brothers against the Bantus and others, then that is my decision – don’t you presume to tell me what to do with my life when it comes time to cowboy up.

        I can think of many worse reasons to die than to fall defending my racial brothers.

        • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

          No the point is they ARE capable of defending themselves and you said they wouldn’t if attacked. What kind of man would let somebody assault them or possibly kill them? I’m not saying they are bad people but their turn the cheek mentality is nonsensical

          • Malgus

            It is not “nonsensical” just because you say so.

            I would defend them same as I would defend a Monastery or Convent. The only real difference between them and a formal Monastery or Convent is that the Amish and Mennonites don’t take vows of abstinence – they reproduce at several times the going white rate. That is astoundingly important.

            What they are doing MATTERS. To not defend them and blow off their belief system as ‘nonsensical’ is remarkably selfish.

            You’ve never had an opportunity to serve a greater good, have you?

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            yeah my family members have served in the US military since the US Civil War, my nephew is currently in the US Army. Amish have never served much less in combat, they reap the benefits when others die. Their greater good is isolating themselves. So be it.

          • Malgus

            That’s all well and good that you’ve had family serve a greater good… unfortunately, I asked if YOU have ever served a greater good… and you dodged answering the question, instead settling for trying to dazzle me with BS and thinking the deeds of others somehow equates to you and not answering honestly…

            The honest answer from you would be “no”.

            Nice try.

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            I wasn’t trying to dazzle you, I was relating a bit of ancestral history. I won’t serve this gov’t because I don’t believe in it,not a unwillingness to fight like the Amish shirkers. I’ve been in plenty of scraps outside the Law

          • Malgus

            Serving a greater good does not specifically mean joining the military… anyone’s military. It could mean something as simple as (for instance, around here) driving a half hour to the east, up into the Appalachian mountains and helping out fellow whites with things like patching their roofs, or help fix up a barn or a fence… donating your time and skills to help others.

            I would have thought you knew what “serving others” – specifically your racial brothers – meant.

            That you sneer at the Amish and Mennonites and call them “shirkers” says much about your character. Or lack thereof. Especially since you tried to take credit for the deeds of your ancestors and family, and have done nothing yourself. Calling it “ancestral history” or any other euphemism you want does not change the fact that you threw that info out there in an effort to get off the hot seat and avoid being honest.

            This conversation is done. At least on this end. I hope you can get past your personal failures of respecting others’ belief systems, ditching the selfishness and narcissism and get with the program – literally us having to help our own.

            There ain’t that many of us left. If we don’t tribe up and start supporting each other instead of using our differences as an excuse to be selfish and self-serving, THEN WE WILL GO EXTINCT.

            GET IT YET?

          • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

            YEAH, I get it FU*K OFF. I don’t take credit for what my ancestors did, I just related their struggle while these Amish have never struggled just farmed. I don’t like you, don’t ever reply to any of my posts again.

          • Malgus

            The truth stings, doesn’t it?

            I won’t reply to any more of your posts. This will be the last. You need to set aside your ego and figure out if you want to keep on dismissing other whites – and by default helping our enemies destroy us – or set aside minor differences, cowboy up and get with the program.

            Because as of right now, you are aiding and abetting our enemies. And are therefore no better than they are.

            Goodbye.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Amish “shirkers”?? Why must you slander the Amish like this? The Civil War was Whites killing other Whites over Negroes. WWI and WWII were Whites killing other Whites. Vietnam was Whites dying over Asian inability to create a democracy without White assistance. Iraq/Afghanistan could have been resolved with no White casualties by our leaders grow a set of balls, and dropping nukes on crazy Islamists. I fail to see what duties my Teutonic brethren, the Amish, were shirking. White Nationalists don’t take pleasure in killing their brethren, or in dying on battlefields over the problems of clueless non-Whites.

          • The Dude

            They also don’t take any form of government subsidies or welfare.

          • Sloppo

            I can say the same about my own family’s involvement in the military, but unfortunately, most of the military conflicts the US has been involved in have not been for the “greater good” despite the fact that they were always sold to us as such. To understand what I mean, you can watch an approximately 45 minute youtube video entitled “all wars are bankers wars”.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            You are a chivalrous gent Malgus. Chivalry runs deep within our veins as Teutonic men. We would defend the Amish from violent colored interlopers just as we would our families. If their space was invaded, though, I think that the Amish would kick total a&s!! They are principled pacifists, not cowards.

          • Malgus

            OHD,

            The thing is, as I tried to explain to Ahnern, is that no matter what their personal beliefs are, the Amish and Mennonites represent a priceless cache of genetic stock. You should see them around here – tall, strong, hair the color of corn silk, pale blue eyes. They also supply communities with food and services, such as when I hired several out to work on my land. Couldn’t ask for better. They are a resource we would be insane not to defend.

            Over the course of my life, I have also seen food used as a weapon. Whomever controls it, controls the population. It is a strategic resource I am unwilling to let fall into the hands of the Bantus or mestizos…

            Folks ridicule the Amish and Mennonites as backwards – anachronistic throwbacks and Luddites unwilling to live in the modern age. But when things get bad – and they will – we will need the Amish and Mennonites, even if only for the knowledge they have in being self-sufficient and farming.

            They are ridiculed for being backwards, when they are actually the most far-sighted of us all…

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I live near an Amish enclave as well. They are indeed ethnic Teutons of pure lineage. They display both the looks and temperament of pure blooded Teutons. Their sensible self-sufficiency is indeed a survival element that will serve them well, should the dung hit the fan. I enjoy talking with the Amish men. I speak proudly of my German heritage, and converse a little in German with them. They think that most “English” are first class rubes, but respect those of us that display common sense and decency.

          • The Dude

            Any white groups that produces an average of seven children deseres respect and sacrifice from my part. Those are the ones doing the jobs white people won’t do, not blacks and mestizos.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            My feeling is that, should circumstances demand it, the Amish would pick up their hunting rifles and defend their turf. Their present enclaves are thoroughly embedded in White rural America. The Teutonic Viking warrior instinct runs strong and deep in their veins. The colored hordes will learn a lesson if they invade the personal space of the Amish. These are farm people who are expert deer hunters capable of picking off interlopers with a hunting rifle with absolute ease. They would only act in self defense if provoked, as decency and respect guide their lives.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          This is exactly how I see the Amish as well. My ancestors came to America from Germany and Sweden. The Amish are fellow Teutons. Their pacifism works fine in a racially homogenous White culture. Like yourself, my Teutonic warrior instinct makes me want to protect them from the colored hordes. The Negroes rarely venture far from their core city areas, though, and have no interest in Teutonic/Slavic culture. Polka music always seems to repel Negroes, as does the smell of sauerkraut.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      I live near an Amish enclave as well. I would defend them against violent Negro predators in a NY minute.

  • M.

    Their ascetic habits aside, if white Americans would only emulate them in only one thing it would be high fertility. If the 200 million white Americans were just as fertile as the Amish in only one generation, their number would jump to 400 million. Which means that, in 2035, instead of making 54% of the population, they would be making nearly 70%. That’s just in one generation.

  • Sick of it

    The Amish who use GMOs are spitting in the face of God.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    I wish we could practice Eugenics in terms of creating White Nationalist communities where pride in our European heritage would be an unquestioned part of our psyche, and a correct sense of Negroes and other non-Whites not being a part of “us” would be unquestioned. This was the way Whites thought before recent decades, and is still the way the Amish think. The Amish do not wonder if any of us “English” should join them, and surely do not waste a moment wondering if a Negro they might see at a local store is different from them. These things are ingrained with consistency from birth. Of course a Negro they see is different, and could never join their community. And why do the Amish not question these common sense principles? We all know the answer. Because their thinking is not being manipulated by the modern media. Their sense of identity is grounded in the time honored wisdom of their forebears, not in naive notions that are appealing because they rebel against what one’s elders have taught. The Amish never had a generation of rebellious youth who decided that the wisdom of their elders needed to be cast to the wind. The time honored wisdom of the ages still guides Amish culture. There was never a countercultural rebellion by a youth generation that suddenly decided that their elders were clueless. Such notions as guided the young adult countercultural rebels of the 60’s would have been swiftly quashed. So much as a moment of leeway would not have been granted by the elders and leaders of the community. How can we, as White Nationalists, best follow the Amish example? We would have to raise youth in a culturally closed community, like the Amish, with limited access to the Media/Pop Culture albatross. Raise youth with accurate news that reinforces racial realism, and teach them that the mainstream media is an anti-White propaganda machine. Introduce youth to the cultural excellence of our forebears, and teach them to not accept the inferior Negroes showcased in the mainstream media as worthy of their admiration or emulation. The Amish have maintained a carefully closed and sheltered community that sees the modern media as hostile to their interests. In the Amish community, youth are not allowed to question the values and principles that guide the community. Permitting youth to question in this manner, in the 60’s, was what started Whites on the wrong track. The youth rebellion of that era should have been authoritatively crushed by the older generations.

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    The present Amish strongholds are in almost entirely White counties that are ripe for secession. Secession needs to get rolling in these areas, so that we can maintain and protect our White culture. The Blacks and Hispanics have already destroyed most of our cities. Secession of the rural areas is the key to our survival as Whites.