The ‘Almost Exclusively White Phenomenon’ of Conservatism

John Bennett, American Thinker, May 23, 2014

Every conservative should consider the profound and possibly awful observation made by the New York Times’ Josh Barro (italics added):

The rush to stand with Mr. Bundy against the Bureau of Land Management is the latest incarnation of conservative antigovernment messaging. And nonwhites are not interested, because a gut-level aversion to the government is almost exclusively a white phenomenon.

If there were validity to Barro’s observation, then any anti-government political philosophy (that wished to survive) would seek to reduce immigration.

After all, America is rapidly importing economically poor, poorly educated, low-skilled immigrants. Those immigrants generate racial inequalities, and inequality is then used to shame and guilt the majority. This is the neurotic cycle I call “America’s never-ending shame.” A constant influx of the “disadvantaged” guarantees a racialized political system and the growth of a Leviathan welfare state.

How can we verify that “a gut-level aversion to the government is almost exclusively a white phenomenon”? For starters, we could look to numerous polls and opinion surveys, which are a better indication of Latino opinion that any self-serving GOP talking points.

The Pew Research Center recently explored Hispanic views about the role of government. Seventy-five percent of Hispanics want “a bigger government providing more services,” while only 19% prefer “a smaller government providing fewer services.”

Among Asians (the second-largest group of immigrants today) the result was 55% favoring big government to 36% favoring smaller. In response to a similar question in 2002, far fewer Hispanics (55%) preferred bigger government; the trends are unfavorable for advocates of limited government.

The Forgotten Majority versus the “Disadvantaged”

As it turns out, the victim mentality and historical grievances don’t foster free-market enthusiasm or government restraint. Fifty-five percent of Hispanics have a “negative” view of the term “capitalism,” which is even worse than the 47% of self-identified “Liberal Democrats” who have a negative view of capitalism, according to a 2011 Pew poll. These preferences unfortunately make complete sense, given what we know about the life circumstances of immigrant groups.

According to Census data, 43 percent of immigrants who have been in the U.S. for more than 20 years are using welfare benefits. Fifty-seven percent of households headed by Mexican immigrants are on some form of welfare, compared with 6% of immigrants from the United Kingdom.

Sociologists Edward Telles and Vilma Ortiz, authors of Generations of Exclusion, insist that Mexican-Americans have accomplished “little assimilation” with regard to education and socio-economic status, but that’s because they’re “[n]ot fully allowed to incorporate into American society.” When that view is taught to vulnerable, frustrated, or “disadvantaged” people, we can expect bitterness.

There will be more bitterness and blame to go around if we continue the influx of the “disadvantaged,” given that newly arrived immigrants will remain poorly educated. Recently arrived young Latino immigrants are half as likely (29%) to express desire to get a college degree as are native-born young Latinos (60%), reports Pew Research’s Hispanic Trend Project.

The Pew report also offered the following insight into some crucial viewpoints:

Latino adults (ages 26 and older) see a mix of reasons that Latinos students do not perform as well as other groups in school:

  • More than six-in-ten (61%) say a major reason is that parents of Hispanic students do not play an active role in helping their children succeed.

  • Nearly six-in-ten (58%) say the limited English skills of Hispanic students is a major reason.

  • Almost half (47%) say the different cultural backgrounds of Hispanic students and their teachers is a major reason.

  • More than four-in-ten (41%) say Hispanic students not working as hard as other students is a major reason.

Current immigration policy guarantees a steady resupply of the behavior and attitudes described above.

Some Republicans believe that Hispanics will support the GOP on the basis of social issues. Yet the majority of Latinos support gay marriage. Most importantly, Hispanics have a 53% out-of-wedlock birth rate, which is twice the white rate (see graph below). This does not bode well for the ideology of limited government and personal responsibility.

So that’s a snapshot of polling on Hispanic views of the American social order and race relations, from the group that supposedly “should be a natural Republican constituency.” Unsurprisingly, inequality, welfare dependency, and racial resentment–the status quo under multiculturalism–do not transform people into conservatives.

Affirmative Action, America’s Atonement for Past Sins

Big government and racial resentment reach their pinnacle with affirmative action. Don’t forget, Attorney General Eric Holder has warned us that affirmative actionhas only just begun. Supporters of racial preferences have powerful allies in pro-amnesty elites such as Eric Cantor, Renee Ellmers, Eric Holder, and Justice Sonya Sotomayor.

Hispanics are strong supporters of racial preferences, which themselves amount to discrimination: 65% of Hispanics believe that affirmative action should be used to benefit Hispanics in college admissions, and 68% support affirmative action in employment, according to a 2011 Angus Reid opinion poll. A 2012 Georgetown University poll showed that only 19% of young whites (18-24) support affirmative action to “redress past discrimination,” but 63% of young Hispanics and 75% of young blacks do [1].

Justice Sotomayor’s dissent in the recent Michigan affirmative action casedeserves close attention from anyone curious about America’s future. She believes that the states that ban affirmative action, and the public supporting those bans, are the modern manifestation of Jim Crow. As she wrote in her dissent, banning affirmative action changes the rules “to the disadvantage of minority members of our society.” If, one day, the child of a Latina high court justice gets a racial preference in college admissions over the daughter of a white waitress, we should consider that a small atonement for America’s past sins. Undeniably, affirmative action often benefits affluent minorities, or minorities whose parentsnever experienced discrimination in America.

By Sotomayor’s logic, if you believe in something as fundamental as colorblind justice, you are on the side of discrimination. Her view, as repugnant as it is, may be far closer to mainstream Latino opinion than some conservatives choose to admit.

From the standpoint of left-wing, racialized politics, this “last chapter of discrimination” will never end. It will remain until every racial group has identical test scores, has the same income, and subjectively feels that its members’ opportunities are equal to some statistical mean–the leftist’s rapture.

The Unsurprising “Crisis”

Low-income, poorly educated immigrants will strain government budgets and intensify social problems, such as poor school performance. New arrivals feel no need or desire to assimilate, and later generations are using welfare to a staggering degree. Now, and for the foreseeable future, this will all be blamed on America; it will be said that we are just too heartless and stingy to solve the problems of the “disadvantaged.”

Here’s the perspective of a Los Angeles university provost, who predicts this “crisis”:

Ultimately we will face a crisis where a majority of the U.S. population will be economically disadvantaged, which will reduce their spending power and contribution to taxes and Social Security, impacting all segments of society and our country’s economic health.

When that “crisis” comes about, who will be voting for the Republican Party? If racial inequalities are our endless shame, then how do we make amends? Some Republicans think the best approach is to admit immigrants who will complain about inequality. As pro-amnesty Republicans deceive themselves, demographic changes will not favor their party. The Washington Post recently reported (or gloated): “[I]f the significant share of Hispanic non-citizens gain a path to citizenship and actually start voting, the electoral map could change much more quickly than what the slowing changing demographics of the country suggest.”

It shouldn’t even need to be pointed out that we are bringing the “crisis” described above upon ourselves. We import poorly educated, low-skilled minorities who predictably have unequal educational and occupational outcomes. Then we trash our own country’s reputation for failing to provide equal opportunity. Forget any suggestion that attitudes, habits, consciously chosen lifestyles, established cultures, or language preferences are behind these inequalities. The New American Creed is that inequalities are America’s fault.

If you don’t care now, you will be made to care, or else just made to shut up and pay. Either way, the American majority will bear the elite-imposed costs of racial inequality, with affirmative action being the most offensive.

To those who are drawn to the “nation of immigrants” mythos, I would simply suggest that what was good for the past may not be good for the future. Our country has a choice: limit immigration and slowly grapple with the monumental challenges we already face, or pass amnesty and recklessly hasten America’s “transformation into two peoples with two cultures,” as Samuel Huntington warned.

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  • Of course all this is correct. But my interest in immigration restriction really has little to do with the success of any political party, abstract ideology or balancing the Federal budget.

    Immigration patriotism is good for white people.

    • robinbishop34

      Immigration patriotism is good for white people.

      This guy doesn’t think so…

      • Bossman

        This guy (whoever he is) could be gay. Does any one know who started this stupid style of men walking around looking like they’ve not shaved for a week?

        • newscomments70

          Most white liberal males seem effiminate to me. I don’t think they are all gay, but it sure looks that way. What I really find abrasive is how they take hissy fits when you disagree with them with facts.

        • Shawn_thefemale

          Could be gay? Ya think? Being gay has become as big a free ticket to anything as being black. People rally around “gayness” now for some reason that befuddles me.

          • Sick of it

            Just look at the Bell Curve and really think about it for a moment. Most people aren’t very bright.

    • It’s also good for the country as a whole. Importing large numbers of unskilled, uneducated poor people, most of whom do not speak English creates a higher demand for government services, which harms all citizens who depend on those services. It also creates an artificial surplus of unskilled labor, which also harms America’s own less affluent citizens. If blacks were at all rational, they would be vigorously protesting Third World immigration, legal or otherwise. That’s not their line of thought, however. They’re eager to stick it to whitey, even though they are being hurt more than we are.

  • JohnEngelman

    Republicans who think Hispanics are a natural Republican constituency seem to think that the typical Hispanic man owns a Mexican restaurant, takes his family to a Spanish language Roman Catholic church every Sunday, and wants his daughters to be virgins when they get married there.

    Those Republicans are delusional.

    • Steven Barr

      Illegitimacy is very widespread in Latin America. It probably has its roots in the fact that Spaniards would often to take Indian mistresses but didn’t marry them.
      Unfortunately much of Europe is only slightly behind them.

      • Tarczan

        So that would be a vestige of the evil Europeans? Kind of like when blacks are afraid of water because they would be thrown in the ocean from the slave ship?

      • 1stworlder

        Do you actually think the sun people would have an ice people concept of not having cheating women?

      • WhiteGuyInJapan

        I believe Sweden has very high rates of out of wedlock births and they don’t have the same social problems as other groups. Talking native Swedes here.

        • Sick of it

          Liberalism is a nasty way of life. What more needs be said?

        • Garrett Brown

          Sweden is descending into darkness faster than any other white country right now. So it definitely had an effect. Their upcoming elections are a choice between, left, far left, and extreme left.

          • Sick of it

            They still have a moderate left in Sweden? I’m shocked!

      • Hallie Eva

        Monogamy was a foreign concept to my German ex.
        He had mistresses throughout our marriage.
        Most disappointing for this child of tradition bound, ethical, Iowa parents.

      • ThomasER916

        Thank you for another fine example of the “Blame Whitey Defense.”

    • Oil Can Harry

      I personally knew that patriotic, deeply religious Hispanic man you mentioned.

      Sadly, he was killed by a leprechaun while riding his unicorn through the enchanted forest.

    • Bossman

      So no Mexicans own Mexican restaurants? So Mexicans are no longer Roman Catholics? So they no longer believe in church weddings? Hispanics are still very traditional people as far as I can deduce.

      • Steven Barr

        A little bit off topic but here in England there are Mexican restaurants galore but almost zero Mexicans. It rather undermines the notion that immigrants “bring their culture”. You can have it without their presence.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Massive third world immigration is just a sinister attempt to demographically overwhelm and replace the white population with less evolved, alien racial types. It has nothing to do with culture.

        • Some years ago I was visiting a friend in San Diego and I was told to go to a little food shack to get the most “authentic” tacos in the city. They were terrible. I’d rather eat at Taco Bell. Moral of the story, Mexicans don’t necessarily make the best Mexican food.

          • Anna Tree

            Mexican food like African music (you know the one you hear in Disney movies for example), is much better after whites improved them. I still prefer my European cuisine and music though.

          • JSS

            I agree with you about the Mexican food, but what do you mean by African food? You mean like whatever the UN aid workers are serving that day? 🙂

          • Anna Tree

            You misread me, I wrote African music: for example in many Disney and Hollywood movies or documentaries about nature etc, American composers (i.e. mostly if not all white) use some African songs that was originally only voices and tam-tam, but then remix them to sound like accomplished/civilized symphonies/concertos when they incorporate classical music features like harmony, polyphony, base/middle voice/solo, accompaniment and of course full European instruments orchestras etc
            The original song was cute, but the result we hear is not really African music, isn’t it…

          • JSS

            Yeah I would call that White people making music out of African sounds.

          • JSS

            I still appreciate the response though:)

          • 1stworlder

            For real authentic tacos the cooks don’t wash their hands after they use the bathroom

          • Hallie Eva

            Exactly, 1st. I would not eat at a Mexican restaurant if you paid me cash money. Their concept/practice of basic hygiene is unspeakable. Washing your hands after toileting? Are you kidding?

          • bilderbuster

            I had a similar experience just north in San Clemente.
            I was told it was Nixon’s favorite restaurant.

        • WhiteGuyInJapan

          In Japan, I can go to a Mexican restaurant without walking through a Mexican neighborhood.

          • David Ashton

            And in my English seaside town I can go to my nearby Chinese takeaway without walking through a “crime-free” Chinese neighborhood – to get my excellent weekly beef steak, onions and peas. I can also get fish-and-chips without walking through an “intellectually superior” Jewish neighborhood – apparently they invented this as well as the atom bomb. (No offense, Mr Engelman.)

        • Bossman

          It is nice to see that Mexico has exported some of its culture overseas. Ultimately Mexican culture is a mixture of things North American Indian and Spanish.

        • bilderbuster

          All it takes is kitchen skills and a good cookbook to prepare any ethnic food.
          Jeffery Dahmer used to prepare the delicacies of New Guinea in his apt. in Milwaukee

        • WR_the_realist

          White people are perfectly capable of learning how to make Mexican food, Ethiopian food, sushi and other Japanese food, Chinese food, and anything else. So the bizarre notion of that to have a decent selection of restaurants we must let the entire third world come here is nonsense.

        • Shadow

          “…almost zero Mexicans”…

          You don’t know how lucky you are.

          I would give anything to live in a country that had zero Mexicans (and zero blacks)!!!

      • JohnEngelman

        Some are. Nevertheless, Mexicans have higher rates of crime, and illegitimacy than whites. In the United States they are even less likely to go to church.

        • Mike Smith

          What do you say about El Paso being the safest big city in America? Is that true?

          • Oil Can Harry

            El Paso is the safest BIG city (one of 33 US cities w/ a population greater than 500,000) because it’s only 3% black.

            If you compare El Paso (80% Hispanic, 14% white) with smaller, majority-white cities it has a higher crime rate than almost all of them.

        • Hallie Eva

          Many have joined up with charismatic religions.
          Not exactly a spiritual path that attracts great thinkers and intellectuals.
          Perhaps easier to juxtapose their woo woo Santeria tradition with that spooky lot.

          • Sick of it

            We used to call such groups cults and such people heretics or madmen.

          • Hallie Eva

            Any ideology that separates one from his/her family or nature intended tribe, or shuts down one’s power to reason and think for him/herself is a cult.

      • IstvanIN

        They are not Anglo-American traditional. Or Anglo-American independent. Or Anglo-American civilized. And they are not part of Anglo-American culture. In fact they can never be truly American.

      • 1stworlder

        Yea and they want PAPA Govt to pay for a lifestyle above what they could achieve amongst their own people.

      • David Ashton

        Some are leaving the RC church for various sects and others are just…well, Mexicans. Viva Zapata!

    • Hallie Eva

      Most insightful, intelligent comment you have ever made, JohnE.
      Are there any presidential contenders [with a chance to win] who are NOT delusional?

      • JohnEngelman

        Republicans who claim that tax cuts for the rich benefit those who are not rich are delusional, or they are liars. I think most of them are liars.

        • Jerrybear

          It’s not a very difficult concept to comprehend. For example, when white businessmen or professionals are allowed to keep more of their money, they spend it. This creates jobs and stimulates Commerce. I know several instances of this in my personal life. That being said, it seems to be the only thing corporate Republicans care about. They’re more about corporate welfare. I know you live in Detroit where all is lost so you would never have the opportunity to see the benefits of letting the rich and middle class keep their own hard earned money.

          • JohnEngelman

            Taxes have usually been more progressive under Democratic presidents than Republican democrats. From the presidencies of Harry Truman to that of George W. Bush there were nearly always more jobs created under Democratic presidents than Republican presidents.

            For example, when Jimmy Carter was president, an average of 2,600,000 jobs were created every year. Under Ronald Reagan that declined to 2,000,000.

            The per capita gross domestic product in 1996 dollars has nearly always grown more under Democratic presidents than Republican presidents.

            The stock market usually does much better when a Democrat is president.

          • fgbrunner3

            Dude you are clueless. Jimmy Carter? Were you alive when Jimmy Carter was president?

          • JohnEngelman

            Yes, and I voted for him twice.

            When Jimmy Carter was president an average of 2,600,000 jobs were created every year. When Ronald Reagan was president that declined to 2,000,000 jobs.

            The highest unemployment under Carter was 7.8 percent. The highest under Reagan was 10.8 percent.

            When Carter was president the national debt declined as a percentage of gross domestic product. Under Ronald Reagan it tripled.

          • fgbrunner3

            You did not answer the question. Were you alive when Jimmy Carter was president?

          • fgbrunner3

            If you voted for Jimmy carter twice, you are too ignorant to be true.

          • JohnEngelman

            This was my answer to your question, “Yes, and I voted for him twice.”

            Read it this time.

          • fgbrunner3

            You voted for Carter twice. Did you also vote for Obama twice?

          • JohnEngelman

            I voted for Obama three times: once in the 2008 primary, once in the 2008 general election; once in the 2012 general election.

            I would vote for Obama again against any Republican out there.

          • fgbrunner3

            Obama is one of the worst presidents in history.

          • JohnEngelman

            Says you.

            Ronald Reagan popularized the delusion that tax cuts generated more tax revenue than tax increases.

            His cow boy machismo sickened me. It was easy for me to imagine him playing a cavalry officer in one of his B movies flashing his awe shucks grin after massacring an Indian village.

          • fgbrunner3

            1. Tax cuts do increase revenue, but more importantly they improve the economy. It always amazes me that our liberal brethren believe that stimulating the economy by spending borrowed money is superior to stimulating the economy by simply cutting taxes.

            2. Maximum economic growth is a proper goal of government policy. Maximum tax revenue is not a proper goal of government policy.

            3. Your fantasies about President Reagan and cow boy machismo are just fantasies. In my life time, President Johnson was the only person who achieved the distinction of squandering the lives of more than 58,000 young men and young women in a pointless war.

          • JohnEngelman

            Tax revenue usually increases more from one year to the next because of inflation and economic growth. It nearly always increases more when taxes are not cut than when they are cut. It nearly always increases more when taxes are raised than when they are not raised.

            From 1921 to 2000 the United States had Democratic presidents for forty years, and Republican presidents for the other forty. During this time the per capita gross domestic product in 1996 dollars grew over twice as much under Democratic presidents.

            Lyndon Johnson escalated the War in Vietnam in order to avoid giving the Republicans a campaign issue that they certainly would have used.

            When President Eisenhower made the decision not to sign and not to honor the Geneva Agreement of 1954 he pretty much guaranteed that there would be a war in Vietnam during the 1960’s. That agreement called for an election to be held in July 1956 to unify Vietnam. In his memoirs President Eisenhower acknowledged that as many as 80 percent of the Vietnamese supported Ho Chi Minh.

          • fgbrunner3

            As for President Obama, if we should be so unfortunate to experience an economic collapse due to our gigantic national debt, then perhaps you will understand just how reckless and incompetent President Obama is.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            Yes 7.8% was the highest because Carter got voted out by people with more sense than you.

          • l909l9

            You’re not factoring in which party was in control of the Congress, cherry picking wingnut. Republicans controlled the Congress for six out of eight years of Clinton’s presidency, and it was they who wrote the Balanced Budget Act which Clinton always gets credit for merely signing.

          • JohnEngelman

            The budget was balanced, and Clinton left office with a budget surplus because of cuts in defense and tax increases for the rich.

            Republicans have difficulty understanding the contradiction between low taxes and a strong national defense.

          • fgbrunner3

            No, you have difficulty understanding the difference between reality and fantasy. I have yet to meet a liberal who was not arrogant, shallow and superficial.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            The budget was balance because the “power of the purse” was in the hands of Republicans led by Newt.

            While Newt may be a tool, it is absurd to postulate that had Dems been in charge anything of the sort would have happened.

          • The budget was balanced during the Clinton administration because the GOP controlled both houses of Congress for six years out of those eight.

          • JohnEngelman

            A Republican Congress may have had something to do with it. What also happened is that the top tax rate went up, while military spending declined.

            I do not see why the United States got involved in Bosnia, but no Americans were killed. The financial cost was minimal. Starting two expensive futile wars in Iraq and Afghanistan while cutting taxes was fiscally irresponsible, but what we should have come to expect from Republican leadership.

            The GOP cannot understand the contradiction between their desires to achieve “a strong military,” “low taxes,” and “a balanced budget.”

          • Ike Eichenberg

            You have firmly convinced me that you are either a leftist in disguise, or you are easily duped by leftist propaganda.

            Jobs did grow under Carter, until his policies tanked the economy so that number may be true, but the fact is there were more people working after Reagan turned the economy around than ever had jobs under Carter.

            This is a graph from the US Government Bureau of Labor Statistics showing the employment to population percentage from 1976 to 1989.

            As you can clearly see more people had jobs 4 years after Reagan took office than did 4 years after Carter took office and supposedly created 10.4 million jobs.

            After 8 years, the difference is dramatic, for a guy who “supposedly” created less jobs than did Carter.

          • JohnEngelman

            Can you post a website for that chart? I have still not been able to find it on the internet.

            The lowest unemployment rate under President Carter was 5.6 percent in May 1979. The highest was 7.8 percent in June 1980.

            The lowest unemployment rate under President Reagan was 5.3 in November and December 1988. The highest was 10.8 percent during November and December of 1982.

            That was as high as it had been since the 1930’s, and higher than it has been under President Obama.

            My statistics come from the U.S. Department of Labor: Bureau of Labor Statistics. I will follow this comment with a comment that has a link to this data.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            Your statistics are not necessarily incorrect but “unemployment” does not tell the whole story.

            Government “unemployment” numbers only show the people without jobs who are seeking employment. People who have given up because there are no jobs to be had or have chosen to get on disability are no longer counted.

            Thus the employment-to-population number gives a truly fair representation of the situation.

            This is how the Obama jobs picture looks below.

            Pretty dismal, but you’ll never hear the truth from the media cheerleaders, as long as they can report the “unemployment” rate is falling.
            .

          • JohnEngelman

            Barack Obama has been a disappointment. I am confident that job figures would look worse under Republicans. The Wall Street Journal described the Bush II record as “The Worst Track Record On Record”

            The leaders of the GOP like a fairly high unemployment rate because it relieves employers of the need to compete for employees.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            Bush 43 had the Clinton dotcom recession and the economic downturn after 9/11, but still did better than obama on jobs.

            That’s the problem with our liberal friends they know so much that just isn’t so. Paraphrase of Reagan.

          • JohnEngelman

            There was no recession under President Clinton. The first recession under the second Bush began March 2001, and lasted until November 2001. The second recession under Bush II began December 2007.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            Didn’t say any different, but if the left blames Bush for the economy 5 years after he left office, Clinton’s policies are certainly far more responsible for a recession that began a couple of months after leaving office than the incoming administration.

            BTW I know you won’t accept the truth but I am compelled to enlighten your kind for some reason.
            The housing bubble that caused the Dec 2007 recession is the direct result of lending policies forced upon banks by the Clinton regime. Further Bush tried to address the impending housing crash as far back as 2003 and was blocked by democrats such as Schumer and Barney Frank.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            If the WSJ said that they did not take an objective look at obama’s record, or they are delusional.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            Employment to population percentage from 1976 to 1989

            Percentage of the working age population employed under Carter (1977-81) and Reagan (1981-1989)

            Pic added for post below as it did not upload properly.

        • WR_the_realist

          I would say there are times when tax rates are so high that tax cuts for the rich do spur the economy overall and improve the circumstances of ordinary people. That was true when taxes were cut under the Kennedy administration. But at current levels of taxation tax cuts help the rich a lot and everybody else very little.

        • fgbrunner3

          Dude, you are clueless.

        • Hallie Eva

          Depends on how the cuts are structured, JE.
          I have read that there are ways to make cuts across the income strata, so that everyone gets a break, including blue collar workers earning 25K/yr.
          Do not ask me how, because I am not an economist.
          I think Wisconsin’s Walker implemented a plan that seemed to work.

          • JohnEngelman

            Tax cuts are always popular. Specific spending cuts are not popular. That is why the national debt has become a growing problem since the tax revolt.

            The Republican inclination to cut taxes while raising defense spending is fiscally irresponsible.

  • Steven Barr

    You could say the same about Libertarianism. These idiots think that if they toss a copy of Atlas Shrugged at the illiterate Mexicans crossing the border and they’re theirs for the taking.

    • People whose most vexing reading material is the Fotonovela won’t even try to read something like Atlas Shrugged. Maybe they might take the step up to that epic about green eggs and ham.

      • Sangraal

        !’Huevos verdes y jambon’, es classico! Tambien es ‘el Gato en el sombrero’!

      • Dave4088

        It’s best to start them out with the cat in the hat first then work up to green eggs and ham.

      • ViktorNN

        Very true what you say. I’ve lived around middle class hispanics my whole life, and the anti-intellectualism of the average hispanic family is depressing to see close up. It’s as though being stupid is a point of pride. You can’t talk to them on even the simplest, most basic, level of abstraction about things like politics. They just look at you. There’s nothing there. The movie “Idiocracy” is a reality in this country today.

        • In prison I never saw Hispanics reading anything other than Fotonovelas. I never saw blacks reading anything at all. On the other hand, among white inmates a decent western, science fiction or swords & sorcery novel was as good as money.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Libertarians still haven’t noticed that while their ideology has spread around the world almost all its adherents are white men.

      • Mike

        Some like me have which is why I’m here.

    • 1stworlder

      leftists have thought all someone needed to do was send over a few books to Africa and they would create civilization

    • Tully

      Oh that group, they’re quite amusing sort of like watching kids on the short bus act out. But what do you expect out of frustrated hyper individuals who can’t work together or organize squat.

      They don’t get that patronage politics is how politicians work South of the border. You either bribe your way into office via promises and handouts to the masses or you don’t get in.

      They have to because you’re dealing with a herd bound people, most are not rigged for individualism the way whites are.

      You tell them “Hey don’t expect any social services when I get into office, because I will get rid of them and you’re gonna stand on your own two feet.” and you can kiss your rear end good bye.

      They may be selfish but not stupid.

  • MekongDelta69

    This weekend, I do NOT care what the Left side of the Bell Curve is bitching about.

    To all the Vets (and civvies) on AmRen, I hope you have a good and respectful Memorial Day Weekend…

    • I now have two uncles I’ll be visiting and planting flags by their headstones at the veterans cemetery.

      I’m glad you didn’t use the word “happy” M/D weekend. M/D is not a joyous holiday.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        It’s when I remember the young men who were senselessly sent to their deaths by our “leaders.”

      • MekongDelta69

        I’m glad you didn’t use the word ‘happy’ M/D weekend. M/D is not a joyous holiday.

        Never have… Never will…

    • JSS

      Just curious, did you ever meet a non white seal while you were part of that organization?

      • MekongDelta69

        Ahh – somebody who actually hovered their mouse over my icon. That’s almost a first!

        I’m never around during Memorial Day Weekend or Veteran’s Day. I just saw your question, but you probably won’t see my answer b/c it’s 4 days after you asked, but I’ll answer it anyway.

        The answer is yes (that I knew personally). One black guy, three Puerto Ricans, and a few (American) Indians.

        They were ALL righteous guys. You have to understand that in BUD/s there was and (thankfully) still is, NO affirmative action, no quotas, no ‘minority outreach,’ no touchy-feely leftist B.S., no women, no gays, no trannies, no ‘oppressed groups of the months,’ no special treatment for ANYBODY – no nothing. You either made it or you rang out – period.

        Compare the Military I(we) were in to the way the Military is now in the article by Jared Taylor (above on AmRenhttp://www[dot]amren[dot]com/news/2014/05/more-mush-from-our-leaders/).

        That’s why so many guys are leaving…

    • 1stworlder

      After Vietnam all of US fighting was helping muslims at the expense of Christians. I actually said that when I got a free veterans day meal last year.

  • Frank_DeScushin

    The Coservative vs. Liberal paradigm actually applied when elections were decided by Liberal whites vs. Conservative whites. That’s no longer the case in multiracial America or in any multiracial nation. Blacks, Hispanics, and Asians are not true believers in Liberalism. Instead, they believe in racial self-interest and vote for the party that most favors their race (the Democrats). White Conservatives need to stop fooling themselves that people vote other than racial self-interest in a multiracial society.

    • Nancy Thomas

      When the Republicans are Democrats, and the Democrats are Communists….white people are SCREWED.

    • JSS

      Conservative politicians aren’t conservatives anymore. That’s something I wish Whites would wake up to who think we can vote our way back to having a healthy nation. Our political system is designed to rob White conservatives of having any voice. Those who control both parties purse strings see to that.

      • Ahnenerbe ᛟ

        Absolutely right! There is no White conservative politicians, when have you ever heard any of the so called white politicians say they are for the interests of White Americans? I can’t remember them saying the word White Americans, they are all sh*t. The whole stinking gov’t, f*ck them all, this gov’t does not represent me or my people.

    • John R

      I agree, totally. It is what I have said; Only Whites are liberals or conservatives. Non-Whites are racialists. Future elections won’t be about ideas; they will just be ethnic headcounts.

    • 1stworlder

      They vote for more free stuff, whoever offers them the most will get their votes. Giving away more free stuff at the productive taxpaying citizens expense will never be a conservative position

    • Tully

      I agree as well. Racial self-interest and which party that hands out the most favors is the they(blacks, Asians and Hispanics) will vote for.

      Conservative won’t stop fooling themselves because many are still afraid of being labeled “racist”. and want to be seen as inclusive, enlightened people. So they trot out their uncle tom’s to prove “we’re not racist”. People see right through it but Conservatives are too dumb. They are quite content on throwing their own people under the bus to score some points in a BS political game,. Then they wonder why they are losing.

      Another thing at play is that the GOP elites no longer represent the American people. Norquist marries a Muslim woman(indicating he’s a Muslim), Sheldon Adelson is a open-borders, amnesty lover; the Chambers of Commerce are big supporters of open-borders and amnesty along with globalism. Rove and the Bush’s are old blue bloods and globalists.

      I honestly can’t find a GOP politico who even remotely represents the white working class conservative.

      • Mike

        I think it’s also because they’re religious that conservatives don’t get it. Race doesn’t matter to them because ‘we’re all the same in the eyes of God.’ They can never figure any of this out because they don’t believe in evolution.

    • Mike

      White liberals enabled all of this. Anti-white sentiment is a natural fit with egalitarianism and opposition to all forms of hierarchy.

  • Nancy Thomas

    Translation; hispanics are moochers.

    • Hallie Eva

      Worse, Nancy. They are dangerous usurpers who have systematically infested and are running sizable swathes of California by electing their own to every position of civic authority possible. Be it mayor, city council, school boards, they manage to push and impose their La Raza Reconquista agenda while the California electorate sit on their hands.
      There are some areas so thoroughly mestizo-ized that any public display representative of Anglo culture is deemed racist/discriminatory, reported to the Racial Grievance Industry and someone loses his or her job or a White student is punished.
      Assimilate? Here for a “better life?” Hah, the better life translates to transfer of White tax dollars. While working for cash wages paid off the books, they demand special set-asides, privileges, financial assistance, food, housing, school lessons taught in their various dialects, affirmative action admission and instate tuition to our prestigious universities, [even for illegals] all concessions that no Anglo would ever receive in their country.
      Where there are mestizos, Central Americans and Mexicans, you will find their deeply ingrained cultural milieu. It does not work. Be warned. As California goes, so goes the country.

      • Nancy Thomas

        Yes, everything you say is true. They ran me out of my job. They are filth and I despise them.

  • Bartek

    Political Parties that don’t represent their base (voters, not contributors) tend to lose popular support and relevancy.
    If the ‘conservatives’ would have actually supported their natural constituency (Whites people) decades ago the GOP wouldn’t need to worry about it’s political future today.

  • Martel

    American Thinker, not afraid to draw conclusions. Hopefully their quest for truth will continue after their recent excellent interview with Jared Taylor, who will be speaking in Hungary coming October.

    • Nevsky

      Some of the commentators there are still civic nationalist, but I’m seeming more race realism within the comments than in the past.

  • Ike Eichenberg

    For whites government is the taker of freedom and money.
    For darks government is the provider of “freedom” (from having to work) and giver of money.

  • MBlanc46

    The people of color are all on the gravy train that we’re paying for. Why on earth would they want to change anything?

    • John R

      Of course. Even the most illiterate Mexican is for big government. He knows it won’t be him, or his people, paying for it.

  • Dave4088

    We hear from conservative blowhards all the time that conservatism can transcend race and enough time and economic prosperity converts non-whites into dittoheads. The American Thinker just debunked those long cherished beliefs.

    • MikeofAges

      Only if immigration is stopped, period, and people given the necessary generations to assimilate. No consensus in favor of that in the totality of the electorate, and no support whatsoever among those of non-European descent. No support even if the immigration of their own group has abated. One thing that has happened since 1970 is that the immigration of a succession of nationalities has occurred one after the other. As one peaks, and then declines, another one starts. Even though some of the early ones may be far along the road to assimilation, new unassimilated populations perpetually are brought in so that the unassimilated population always is sustained. Perhaps even increased proportionately.

      Hispanics may be the least of it although their numbers are large. Mestizo Hispanics have always been here and have a well known path to assimilation to follow. The issue in our time is not that they are, but that the numbers are too large. Nobody wants to be told that they should not exist, but at a minimum, Hispanic immigration also has to stop. Or, in the Southwest and California anyway, there will be no here here to assimilate into.

      • 1stworlder

        IQ is genetic ever 4th generation Hispanics are far from white output. The mostly Spanish hidalgo Hispanics like Cruz and the richest man in the world throw it off a bit that’s why the census & birth documents now has a dozen different flavors of Hispanic to check off

  • Mike Smith

    I’ve been saying it for years: Only white people care about freedom. All other races, including Asians, are natural slaves.

    • John R

      True. Anglo Saxon concepts of liberty.

    • MBlanc46

      That might be overegging the pudding just a bit, but we are the people of the Magna Carta and several bills of rights.

  • John R

    Yes, sadly, all this is true. The immigrants simply do not, and will never, share our set of values. It is sad because, we as Whites, should have seen this coming back in the 1980’s, when there were still enough of us left, to make a difference.

    • MBlanc46

      That might be overegging the pudding just a bit, but we are the people of the Magna Carta and several bills of rights.

      • Jesse James

        Yes the original idea of manifest destiny called for America to spread from ocean to ocean and pole to pole. It was actually Southerners who had links with other slave holding people along the Golden Circle (other slave holding countries in the Caribbean, Central and South America) who after interacting with the Mestizos in Texas realized that there were too many non-whites to assimilate. This realization and the fear of further cultural contamination from the predominantly Catholic Latin American countries put an end to our attempts to expand the American nation further South.

    • Sick of it

      Operation PATCON, public school curricula, and various media campaigns were working to destroy the right wing starting in the 1980s. A LOT of people got it…and after all of the things I mentioned started to bear fruit, they became more lukewarm in their convictions. I’ve seen the changes in the older folk in my own family. The 80s and 90s brought about a paradigm shift that the youth are starting to reject, as they’ve seen more of the stark modern reality with their own two eyes.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Our country has a choice: limit immigration and slowly grapple with the monumental challenges we already face, or pass amnesty and recklessly hasten America’s “transformation into two peoples with two cultures,” as Samuel Huntington warned.

    ———————————————-

    Apartheid is coming to America. It will be based on IQ, talent, and work ethic, but it will be portrayed as racial apartheid by commies and race hustlers.

  • 1stworlder

    Total brainwashing in schools. Commie Core is nothing but propaganda.

    • WR_the_realist

      The programming began long before Common Core. But is is true that if you want your child to be a good advocate of “social justice” just send him to an American public school.

  • Nevsky

    I find a huge part of Mexican identity is rooted in their food. After hearing for years from them how “unauthentic” Mexican food is in the US and Canada, I traveled to Mexico.

    I ate at many different places, and you know what – nothing special. Something I liked, something I didnt. And I had a stomach poisoning.

    • Herman

      To Nevsky
      Food? What else are they going to talk about?
      Their inventions, their Ivy League type schools etc.?

  • Bill E. BOBB

    Today’s immigration debate in the US reminds me of the French and Haiti and how they imported more and more slaves to work the plantations. You all know how that turned out for the French, and we are in for the same fate.

  • WR_the_realist

    A constant influx of the “disadvantaged” guarantees a racialized political system and the growth of a Leviathan welfare state.

    That, in a single sentence, explains why 100% of senate Democrats voted for that amnesty bill.

    • WR_the_realist

      And I should add, that is also why those libertarians who are pro open borders (not all of them are) are damn fools.

  • Sick of it

    How did this get posted on American Thinker? That site has been way too milquetoast for years now, considering everything that’s going on.

    • Mike

      They probably did like 20 articles promoting war for Israel to make up for it

  • fgbrunner3

    Eventually, the genetic basis of intelligence will become public knowledge.

  • kikz2

    i couldn’t get past “atonement for America’s past sins” w/o my breakfast coming up. i wish i could impart my true sentiment toward that woman…….and anyone like her.

  • ViktorNN

    This is a good outline of the problems with “colorblind” conservatism.

    While it’s true that there is a small minority among the overall Hispanic population which are staunch Catholics, who join and serve in the military, and who are assimilated to the point of being more or less “American,” the larger truth is that most Hispanics aren’t like this.

    Most won’t ever assimilate the way past waves of European immigrants have, and today’s political system in fact encourages them to NOT assimilate.

    Republicans keep hoping that they just need to convince enough hispanic immigrants to assimilate and fall in love with traditional American values. It’s not going to happen.

    There is an innate racial wall between the white population of this country and the new waves of hispanic immigrants. They aren’t us and we aren’t them. The longer they are here and grow in numbers to become the majority, the more the country will come to resemble them and not us.

    For the GOP to survive, it needs to throw off the shackles of “colorblind conservatism” and become an explicitly white party. The Dems have no problem being explicitly non-white, after all.

    • What are “traditional American values,” either at all, or their real worth, if all these non-whites can assimilate to them and fall in love with them?

      • ViktorNN

        That’s a good question. It points up the inherent contradiction between “proposition nations” which espouse the ideal that very different groups of people can live together under certain organizing principles, and the fact that a truer, stronger notion of nation is that it is made up of a group of people united by blood and land.

  • Ike Eichenberg

    The chart is as stated from the Bureau of Labor Statistics website.

    You can enter in any dates you want to compare and it will draw up a chart. It is not searchable as it is user created. I should have mentioned that, mea culpa.
    data[dot]bls[dot]gov/timeseries/LNS12300000

    I did not dispute your assertions, I simply posted a verifiable facts that discredit those assertions as an honest way to look at the employment picture.

    A point about the GDP per capita growing under democrats:
    The GDP includes government spending which almost without exception grows explosively under democrats.
    So yes that would be expected.

    .

    • JohnEngelman

      The data from the link you posted cover the time from January 2004 to January 2014. There was no mention of Ronald Reagan’s economic numbers at all.

      In addition to having a multiplier effect, government spending provides useful services, including public education, law enforcement, libraries, parks, and so on.

      Government employment declined under President Obama. It increased under presidents Reagan, Bush I, and Bush II.

      • Ike Eichenberg

        That is the default date.
        Look closer you can input any date you would like to consider.

      • Ike Eichenberg

        There you go again making true, but totally misleading statements.
        State governments have grown smaller, because the economy tanked and Obama has only made it worse but Obama has GROWN the federal government.

        There were 2,790,000 federal workers in January 2009 there were 2,804,000 workers in 2012.

        There has not been a single day under Obama’s when there were less federal employees since he took office.

        • Ike Eichenberg

          Government employment that Obama controls, the Federal Government.

        • JohnEngelman

          State employees have lost their jobs because of the Republican dogma that it is always a good idea to cut taxes, and never a good idea to raise them.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            John, the government can’t tax its way to prosperity.

            It is always a good idea to see where government waste can be cut, but there is a genetic flaw that prevents democrats from processing that fact.

          • JohnEngelman

            “The government can’t tax its way to prosperity” is a right wing cliche that cannot be substantiated by looking at the economic history of the twentieth century.

            If there is a genetic flaw, it prevents Republicans from considering the data I have posted here.

            During the Twentieth Century there were usually higher taxes under Democratic leadership. There was also more economic growth, and more job creation. Under Democratic presidents the stock market has grown over twice as much as under Republican presidents.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            I have considered the data you posted and have shown why it is incorrect to make the conclusions you do.

            Your logical fallacy is cherry picking a piece of data such as unemployment rate and ignoring the fact that Reagan put far more people to work than did Carter.

            Of course the stock market went up more under democrats, the value of the dollar tanks under democrats like Carter due to incredible inflation. You voted for Carter so you are old enough to remember the inflation rate.

            And under obama, the FED has been artificially inflating the stock market with quantitative easing.

            Neither of these is something you want to brag about.

          • JohnEngelman

            The inflation of the 1970’s happened because of the rise in petroleum that followed the OPEC Oil Boycott of 1973, and the Iranian Revolution. It was neither Richard Nixon nor Jimmy Carter’s fault.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            That is what the left claims, but it does not stand up to scrutiny.

            If it were true, we would see much higher inflation than we are today. The price of crude has reached far higher points recently even adjusted for inflation.

          • JohnEngelman

            From 1973 to 1974 the inflation adjusted price of petroleum doubled. From 1978 to 1980 it again doubled to 106.36. In 2013 the inflation adjusted price was 91.54.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            And as you can see in the chart above, oil tripped in price 2003-2007 yet we had extremely low (3-4%) inflation, completely discrediting your theory.

          • JohnEngelman

            Various factors influence inflation. One of them is certainly the price of a natural resource that is essential to the economy.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            Now you are moving the goal post.
            You originally blamed Carter’s economic disaster on rising oil prices now it’s “various factors.”

            I was of the belief that you were intellectually honest enough to admit that your claim was false once I demonstrated there was not a consistent correlation between inflation and oil prices.

            However I was incorrect.

          • JohnEngelman

            The main factor that raised oil prices during the Carter administration was the Iranian Revolution. Carter was not responsible for that. President Eisenhower was. When Eisenhower directed the CIA to overthrow the democratically elected government of Iran in 1953 he pretty much guaranteed that there would eventually be a revolution in Iran, and that the United States would be hated by the revolutionaries.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            You do realize the topic of this tangent is your assertion that high oil prices caused the inflation under Carter, not what caused the high prices?

            This is a red herring to distract from your incorrect assertion that Jimmy was not responsible for the economic disaster of his presidency.
            But as you well know, the Muslim extremists would have overthrown any reasonable government in power at the time or elected the same nut cases that took power. Eisenhower is not to blame for the religious demographics of Iran.

            The fact is the Carter’s economic policies were a disaster and it was not due to inflation caused by high oil prices, or the Iranian revolution.

          • JohnEngelman

            The CIA coup of 1953 overthrew the democratically elected parliament of Iran, and the democratically elected Prime Minister who was Mohammad Mosaddegh. Mosaddegh was a moderate socialist, a moderate Muslim, and by any criterion more decent than any ruler Iran has had since.

            Jimmy Carter was not responsible for the Iranian Revolution. Eisenhower was. That revolution was responsible for the gasoline lines, and the inflation of 1979-80.

            Other than the inflation, Carter was a better steward of the economy than Reagan. There was less unemployment, more jobs created per year, and much lower budget deficits.

  • Myra Esoteric

    Looking outside the demographics found in the US, what are the trends of conservatism vs. liberalism in other countries, particularly those that don’t have a white majority? For example, Latin American countries?

    I do not know enough about this to comment but I am wondering if whites in Latin America are more conservative than the general public there, or if it’s flipped around.

  • none of your business

    Among the wealthy polygamy in all but name is widespread in Latin America. They use the terms first woman, second woman. Among the poor, they just have babies by whomever grabs them.
    I don’t know any conservatives but I always laugh when looking at the abortion statistics. If they are Catholics, why do they have such a high rate of abortion? Pregnant women get excellent welfare and if they don’t want the child Catholic Social Services still runs adoption services although the non goy liberals are trying to stop that for fear CSS will place adopted kids in normal hetero 2 parent families with jobs, homes and normal lives.

  • none of your business

    Would the moderators please explain why this discussion has deteriorated into englemann’s blathering about Democrat presidents of the last 60 years?
    After about 12 posts it is nothing but englemann,englemann englemann. If I wanted to hear about the wonders of the demorat party I would watch television, not come to this site.

  • none of your business

    Englemann’s posts on this thread have nothing to do with immigration demographics which is the entire point of the article. They are all about demorat presidents. His posts have nothing to do with the article. Why oh why can’t the moderators at least delete his posts that are not germane to the article being discussed.
    Maybe I should start posting about my likes. For instance, I think red hair, at least if it is at least chin length is the most beautiful color of hair. I like the lighter, not the darker shades of red hair. Let’s have a discussion of red hair and exactly which shade people prefer.

  • The GOP has infuriated me for decades over the abortion issue. More recently, they have completely abandoned their old platform of fiscal responsibility, and are now desperate to cave in over illegal immigration. Why the hell should I keep voting for these clowns?

  • Bossman

    I think this phenomenon is much more recent than that. Scraggly beards that have not been trimmed or styled just look dirty to me.