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Richard Spencer, Radix Journal, May 13, 2014

Jared Taylor and John Derbyshire join Richard to discuss Nicholas Wade’s new book, A Troublesome Inheritance, the response to it in the media and wider culture, and the future of race in America and the Occidental World.

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  • MikeofAges

    What will happen in America is that a terminal demographic condition will be reached. What that means is there will be a situation where there is no possible event which can alter the racial and ethnic demographics of the population. Already there in California.

    What can be foreseen is, with regional variations, a mixed white European, South Asian, East Asian and gentrified Hispanic overclass and a highly Hispanic influenced but English speaking underclass. All from the overclass who fail will simply fall into the underclass.

    In the this situation is the genesis of a caste system based on color. With a caste system, post-industrial electromechanical, cybernetic and biotechnic civilization can be maintained. But maybe not forever. The world might go back to feudalism worldwide. Some might like it that way, and might see smaller populations, shorter lifespans, limited economic prospects and vanishing social mobility as a fair price to pay to get rid of the “machine”.

    • TruthBeTold

      Each group is going to claim their share of the spoils based on their historical victim status. There will be much fighting between groups.

      Nothing will get done.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      If you want to see the future of the US, just look at Brazil. The US is being gradually transformed into a Latin American pigmentocracy, with a small number of light-skinned people on top, mostly whites and maybe a few honorary “whites” or east Asians, and a massive black and brown underclass at the very bottom. I doubt that this is sustainable in the long run.

      White and near-white Latin American elites do not rule by virtue of their ability alone, but also perpetuate their rule by claiming some kind of biological kinship with the subject population, using talk of “mestizaje”, “crisol de razas” and “indigenismo.” This diffuses potential ethnic and racial hatreds by allowing the underclass to embrace the white and near-white ruling class as part of a larger extended family. Latin elites may even diffuse ethnic and racial hatreds by allowing the underclass a path toward upward social and economic mobility through “whitening” or “embranquecimento.”

      However, the future ruling class of the US does not have this luxury. Their rule will spark ethnic and racial jealousies and hatreds, which will only get worse because of the increasing impoverishment and suffering of the masses, largely aggravated by endless, massive third world immigration and outsourcing of jobs to third world countries. Without any safety valve to rely on for their own safety, the American ruling elite will eventually be torn apart during a bloody revolution and replaced by members of the black and brown underclass.

  • RealisticGuy

    When are people in this movement going to realize that trying to prove the superiority or inferiority of one group or another is a fools errand.

    Europeans don’t need to be superior for us to want continuity for our people. I’m not saying that information on the genetic basis of race is wrong or should be avoided, but that it is beside the point, if indeed the point is saving Europeans from being bred out of being.

    • Geo1metric

      I’ve said this for a long time.

      IQ is beside the point. We want to live amongst our own kind. End of story.

      • David Ashton

        Yes this is the point. However, our opponents pretend that there are no “significant” racial or cultural differences, and demoralize our people by belittling our achievement, &c. They can and should be refuted.

        • Geo1metric

          Of course you’re correct. I was thinking of another poster when I wrote the above. 🙂

      • JohnEngelman

        You do not seem to have listened to the podcast.

      • BillMillerTime

        Nicholas Wade does not discuss differences in average group IQ.

        • Geo1metric

          “Europeans don’t need to be superior for us to want continuity for our people.”

          I was responding to the above sentence. Perhaps I jumped to a conclusion that “RealisticGuy” meant IQ when he used the word “superior”.

          You are correct. I listened to the podcast.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            The sound kept dropping out. Did anyone else have any trouble?

      • AndrewInterrupted

        I’ve been telling the skipping record, Rabbi Engelman, that IQ is beside the point as well. It’s the highly evolved frontal lobe of the western European that created the greatest nation makers. IQ is just one component. The only component ‘the tribe’ possesses.

        • Geo1metric

          I think some others simply want to cause discord. They want to deflect from the important issues.

    • TruthBeTold

      I don’t focus on IQ so much as repeatedly stating that we are simply different (diverse if you will) and incompatible.

    • silviosilver

      Telling the truth about racial differences is an important corrective to a society which bases all policy on the misconception that there are no such differences and which, as a consequence of that misconception, holds whites responsible for other groups’ failures and shortcomings. Furthermore, it is not in all cases a mere misconception that no no meaningful racial differences exist; it is often an outright lie and is told precisely in order to harm white interests.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      You need to read “Race and Reason” by Carleton Putnam, my friend. One reason whites are in the fix they’re in today is because conservatives FAILED to bring up IQ right from the beginning in the 1960s, especially in terms of integration of the public schools, instead focusing on “states rights” and the people’s right of free association.

      Besides, it’s not like people have not also been talking about Europeans’ right to exist from the very beginning. That argument doesn’t work very well, because most whites refuse to believe they are in any danger.

      • silviosilver

        Putnam had no data to base that view on. He merely expected that if people were exposed to such ideas they would readily agree with them. Perhaps that was true in his day, if people back then were exposed to the truth about racial differences they would have readily agreed. Today there is ample evidence that the truth about racial differences is no surefire winner.

        • Tim_in_Indiana

          People had not data on race differences then? They only had thousands of years of human history to go by.

          • silviosilver

            Learn to read.

  • JohnEngelman

    I am more optimistic than the speakers. I think as time goes on the evidence in favor of race realism will mount, and it will be impossible to suppress the truth.

    • El_Baga_Doucha_Libtard

      Do you think that Europe will lead the way among the white nations? It makes sense that they would, considering that they have larger white majorities and they have longer-lasting cultures that they want to preserve.

      • JohnEngelman

        We can hope.

    • RealisticGuy

      Yes, races are biologically real. And this fact may become common
      knowledge, or perhaps just more readily stated in public, but to what end, Engelman? You care not for the fortunes of Europeans.

      For you the most likely benefit will be the ability to preen in front of others, assured of your superiority, announcing that you, of course, already knew.

      But again, Engelman, to what end? You are a clown.

      • JohnEngelman

        “But again, Engelman, to what end?”

        – RealisticGuy

        The truth about racial differences has important policy implications. There should never be any taboos or sanctions against telling the truth.

        At the top of every page on American Renaissance Thomas Jefferson is quoted as saying, “There is not a truth existing which I fear, or would wish unknown to the whole world.”

        Saying “You are a clown,” is not a rational rebuttal. I do not sink to those comments. When one of my detractors does I know I have won the argument. So does every decent person who reads the exchange.

        • RealisticGuy

          I find it strange that you seek to claim knowledge of what a decent person would do. You who despises his own kindred, and whose words show no allegience whatsoever.

          Every decent person on Amren already despises you. I say that no decent person would take offense to anything said to you, no matter what it was. Being called a clown is the least of what you deserve.

          • JohnEngelman

            Just because I emphasize the contributions of other races does not mean that I despise fellow white Gentiles. Those who claim that I do commit at least two logical fallacies: The ad hominem fallacy, and the straw man fallacy.

            In the adhominem fallacy one attacks the presenter of an argument, rather than refutes the argument.

            In the straw man fallacy one distorts the argument in order to make it easier to refute.

          • RealisticGuy

            So you don’t think Asians and Jews should be living in European countries?

            If you do believe that they should be among us, and you understand what miscegination will do to our population, then you do hate us, even if you don’t recognize it.

            And even if you can still claim not to hate us; again Engelman, to what end is this information useful?

            It has no worth, if it is used by people like you, to reduce the number of Africans and Mexicans and increase the number of Jews and Asians. The result is still the same; Europeans will cease to be.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who claim to fear for the future of white Gentiles really fear for their future in an increasingly competitive economy that places an ever higher premium on superior intelligence.

            White Gentiles with well educated, high grade intelligence are doing fine.

            There is nothing new about this. Human evolution has always favored the trend toward higher intelligence.

          • RealisticGuy

            There it is. There is the elitist tripe you were bound to spew.

            Let me make it clear to you, that intellect is not causative of fortune. Or are we to believe that Oprah is the smartest person on television, or that the average CEO is brighter than the average engineer.

            Fortune is more about whether you live in a time and place, that rewards your particular skills, your birth and upbringing, and happenstance. Even the lowliest of intellects can have the greatest of fortunes.

            “For my part, I regard any one, who reproaches his fellow man with fortune, as devoid of sense. He that is best satisfied with his condition, he that deems his fortune excellent, can not be sure that it will remain so until the evening: how then can it be right to bring it forward, or upbraid another man with it?”
            – Demosthenes

            “Those who claim to fear for the future of white Gentiles really fear for their future in an increasingly competitive economy that places an ever higher premium on superior intelligence.”

            – Engelman

            Here you make your own feelings as clear as day. You don’t love your people, and you can’t imagine anyone else sincerely loving them either.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have known admirable non whites, and whites who did not deserve to be loved.

          • RealisticGuy

            Is that all you have to say for yourself? You are a clown.

          • Martel

            I had to laugh about some of his statements here. He made many of the same statements possibly hundreds, if not thousands of times before. There is really something wrong with this guy.

          • JohnEngelman

            You and those of like mind make the same statements hundreds of times. You keep saying that I do not belong here because I do not share your fears, angers, and hatreds.

          • Mergatroyd

            Good comments from you. I expect your comments to be deleted, but not Engelman’s. That’s what usually happens here.

          • JohnEngelman

            Why do you think that is?

          • Mike Smith

            Engelman,

            Life involves more than survival, procreation, and prosperity.
            We need a deeper meaning to things. We need to be part of something larger than ourselves. For most of human history, that need was fulfilled by being part of a tribe—identifying with that tribe, loving that tribe, living by its rules and values, passing on its traditions, sacrificing for that tribe, and dying for that group if necessary. Not only do you reject white tribal identity, you ridicule
            anyone who embraces it. If you can’t understand the appeal of a tribe, you’re not human. What gives meaning to your life—“winning” arguments? Do you care about anything? Maybe your “tribe” is the high-IQ tribe or the Democratic Party. I don’t know. I’m just curious.

          • silviosilver

            For most of human history, that need was fulfilled by being part of a tribe—identifying with that tribe, loving that tribe, living by its rules and values, passing on its traditions, sacrificing for that tribe, and dying for that group if necessary.

            In fairness, for most of human history no one had any real choice in the matter. Experience has shown that given the chance an astonishingly high number of people (from my point of view) have been very eager to jump ship and abandon their group identity in favor of embracing complete aliens.

          • Mike Smith

            It’s not working. Individualism, careerism, consumerism, statism, globalism, multiculturalism, and cosmopolitanism are sad substitutes for old-time tribalism and religion. Half the population is hopped up on prescription drugs. An astonishingly high number of people in the modern world commit suicide even though life is much better in material terms than it was in the Middle Ages (when almost nobody committed suicide). Modern people live a rootless, amoral existence with no sense of community or life purpose. We’re a multicultural cesspool ruled over by a disconnected, hostile, technocratic elite.

            White nationalism can gain traction in the modern world. Few
            goals are more noble, more ancient, more appealing, or more meaningful than fighting for the survival of your people. The British National Party’s Nick Griffin: “Nobody starves to death because they don’t have any food. They starve to death because they give up. If people have a community looking out for them, they can get through the hard times. What finishes people off is when they give up, when they commit suicide. The most common cause of death for young men is suicide because they are one person alone in the world and they can’t be a part of something bigger. And that’s the hopelessness, the alienation gap. We can fill that gap.”

          • silviosilver

            I see this did eventually get posted. I replied to it below.

          • JohnEngelman

            My “tribe” includes decent people of all races even if they do not have high IQ’s. It excludes race haters.

          • Mike Smith

            Then you have no real tribe–and I respect that. However, the vast majority of us identify with whites as a tribe or a people–but you don’t show us the same respect. You insist we suffer from some kind of pathology, that we’re losers, that we hate Asians. This is why you should be banned. You attack the very root of racial identity and purpose, the product of 20,000 years of evolution–as a pathology.

          • silviosilver

            I’m replying to your post that began with “It’s not working,” which is not yet showing up (and may not get posted). I can relate to that feeling of despair at living through and observing the slow-motion dissolution of cherished community structures and extrapolating the trends and being horrified by the results, and being depressed that so much of what you have lived through was a monumental lie, and feeling stranded and alone by the realization most people never really cared the way you did and never really will. I thought I had left these feelings behind years ago, but reading your post and listening to the speech you linked to resuscitated them a little, and I think I still have it within me to feel that way. Little good comes from it, however. Perhaps in fifty or a hundred years such feelings may provide the requisite motive force to set things right; today they’re a burden and an obstacle.

          • JohnEngelman

            I see nothing wrong with whites preferring the company of whites.

            My objection is to those who condemn Jews and Orientals, and who think they do not belong in the United States.

          • Grantland

            I think we all know which tribe Engelstein belongs to, the lying denials notwithstanding.

          • Geo1metric

            Excellent points!

          • JohnEngelman

            The information is useful in presenting arguments against affirmative action.

          • RealisticGuy

            Precisely; you don’t answer. But do you think we don’t know? Engelman; you’d see your folk utterly annihilated one new shipment of Asians at a time. They’re better than us, or so you say, so why not?

          • Alexandra1973

            John, what I and others have a problem with is you saying you don’t mind if Orientals come over here.

            I don’t care if their average IQ is 500, they can use that to better their own nations. Sure, we could probably learn things from them, and they can learn from us…but we could still stay in our respective nations.

            I’m all for isolationism myself.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have never known an Oriental I did not like. I enjoyed living with them in downtown San Jose, California. I am pleased that they are prospering in this country.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Most people here don’t care. Save it for some oriental site. I doubt you don’t have the sense to understand that here.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who don’t care are indifferent to the truths concerning race realism.

          • RealisticGuy

            We are not indifferent to the facts, but you are indifferent to your people.

            You rail against your fellow Europeans, as if by doing so you weren’t railing against yourself. You are a clown.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not “rail” against my “fellow Europeans.” I rail against white supremacists and white nationalists.

          • RealisticGuy

            When you say that Europeans ought to turn their countries over to any who happen to be smarter than they, you rail against them. That should be clear.

          • JohnEngelman

            Every country needs people with high IQ’s.

          • RealisticGuy

            And we have them. Europeans not only have a good average IQ, but a high rate of genius.

          • silviosilver

            Eugenics can increase the proportion of people with high IQ without requiring one’s own race to submit to extinction through immigration.

          • RealisticGuy

            If we’d just stop paying the poor to have more children (which ironically, Engelman supports) this would happen of its own accord.

          • JohnEngelman

            The white race is not threatened by “extinction.” Those of average or below average intelligence are threatened by an economy that is becoming increasingly competitive. I do not necessarily approve of the trend, but I do not indulge in hyperbole.

          • silviosilver

            There you go again. How can you simultaneously maintain that the entire world is slowly racially mixing and that nothing can or should be done to slow down or reverse such trends as well as maintain that whites aren’t threatened by racial extinction? (Btw, according to Engelman, this process will result in a global population with a higher IQ.)

          • JohnEngelman

            Racial extinction happens when a race is killed off.

            Interracial marriage is increasing because more people want to marry across racial lines. It is not about extinction. It is about freedom.

          • silviosilver

            Extinction is the effect regardless of the intention. Racial extinction occurs when a race fails to replace itself with members of itself. A race doesn’t need to be physically murdered to go extinct.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Right:

            Section C of the 1948 United Nations Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide:

            ( c ) Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part.

            Section (c) is what is being inflicted on the White race through massive non-White flooding of White living spaces and then attacking any White who objects to his own displacement. These things are imposing conditions of life calculated to bring about the physical destruction of my race. It’s genocide.

          • RealisticGuy

            Europeans are being told by the state and the media that they have no group interests, that they don’t exist as a people, and paradoxically, that they are somehow evil. And this Engelman calls freedom.

            You are a clown. The sooner you wake up and realize it, the sooner your redemption can begin.

          • JohnEngelman

            No one is forced to marry people of other races. Those who do so do so because they want to. What do you intend to do with those people? Put them in prison?

          • RealisticGuy

            Fines. Followed by banishment and outlawry. I don’t like prison as a punishment.

          • JohnEngelman

            Fortunately that will never happen. For the vast majority of Americans inter racial marriage is not an issue any more. It is the coming trend. There is nothing you or anyone can do about it.

            Since 1980 the percentage of Americans who marry across racial lines has more than doubled. If we extrapolate current trends into the future by the end of this century all marriages will be interracial.

          • RealisticGuy

            All marriages will be interracial? Do you think even a little when you write your comments?

          • JohnEngelman

            I wrote “if we extrapolate current trends into the future.”

            Extrapolating current trends into the future is always risky. A trend may accelerate or slow down.

          • RealisticGuy

            That’s not it. To claim that such a trend would reach 100%, that every single marriage would be interracial… Well, it’s what I’m coming to expect from you. Because you’re a clown.

          • JohnEngelman

            Comments like, “you’re a clown,” have no place in a civil discussion of important issues. Those who make comments like that give evidence of poor breeding and little education.

          • RealisticGuy

            Do you ever get tired of making yourself a clown; is this for my amusement?

          • JohnEngelman

            You do not amuse me. I am embarrassed on your behalf.

          • RealisticGuy

            It must of hurt when you realized how foolish your 100% claim was.

            I’m sorry for unmasking you as I have. But fools deserve unmasking.

            While we’re having this lovely banter, would you like to tell me why Europeans should give up their lands, including in Europe, to people who happen to have higher IQ’s?

            And does that same principle hold true elsewhere; should south Americans and Africans give up their homelands to Europeans?

            Going further, it seems probable that Asians, being in your logic less than Jews should eventually be displaced as well.

          • JohnEngelman

            Because civilization must be managed and led by brilliant people no country can have too many people with high IQ’s. They are needed to fill cognitively demanding positions in private industry, the academy, in the government, and in high culture.

          • RealisticGuy

            We’ve been through this. We have a good IQ in the west, and indeed a high rate of genius.

            This is why I call you a clown Engelman. Just like an absurdist comic you come back with the same lines time after time.

          • JohnEngelman

            The truth does not change. Unfortunately, your prejudices do not change either.

          • RealisticGuy

            You seem to say that IQ can be used to determine superiority among races. That is false. There are no absolutely better races. Only races with different abilities.

            Counting IQ for everything avoids mention of other metrics. After all, it was Europeans who gave rise to the industrial age. And put an Asian, or a European in the desert with a spear and a lone deer, and they will not fare as well as an African whose people have done it for eons. The African would be the likely survivor. Is he better? Not by IQ. By other measures, yes.

            And what of compatibility? Is it not also a tenent of race realism, of which you seek to seem educated, that the differences between races lead to tribal behavior, racial animosity, and eventually racial violence, genocide and/or separatism. Race realism itself speaks to undo your thinking.

            Is it in the interests of Asian countries, and Israel, having the best people, for their people to leave? If indeed “a country cannot have too many high IQ people”. And should not the best of people stay in their own countries, where they will avoid miscegination, and therefore having descendents less than they are?

            And finally, even if we disregard the arguments above, in the first place you put the state before the people, as if somehow the role of the state is to empower itself rather than ensure the true interests of the people. You don’t seem to understand that ethnic groups have a legitimate right to exist, and that means in practice, to have their own territory. Every ethnic group has a right to work towards its own future.

          • Dr. Möbias

            “Interracial marriage is increasing because more people want to marry across racial lines.”

            You lie anti-White.

            Sarkozy said that “not to intermarry racially is bad for the survival of the country” why is that “OK” and not “racist” but a White person saying that he believes in White racial survival is an “evil racist”?

            You anti-Whites are allowed to promote interracial marriage in media, schools and entertainment.

            Nowhere are White people allowed to promote same race marriage.

            Nowhere.
            Anti-White.

          • JohnEngelman

            What have I lied about? No one is forced to marry across racial lines.

            What you say is delusional, and the outpouring of an inferior mind corrupted by fear, hatred, and anger. Most marriages portrayed in the popular culture are between people of the same race.

          • JohnEngelman

            Excuse me. What did I say that is not true. Who is forced to marry someone of another race?

          • FeuerSalamander

            A DINGO ATE YOUR BABY!!!! I SAID A DINGO ATE YOUR BABY!!!!

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            Hey John how are you ? This is the first time i reply to one of your posts.

            All in all i think i am closer to your positions than I am to white nationalism. I consider myself a race realist, i strongly suspect race is genetic but i am willing to wait for scientific confirmation of my ideas. I live in Asia (HK, yes fellows it’s full of white immigrants in Asia, many of them poor pensioners looking for a more decent life in the Southern rim but i digress) and I married a North East Asian woman (Seoulite Korean), on top of that i have matrilineal ashkenazi ancestry.

            This to say i probably rub lots of people the wrong way around here, still so far everybody treated me with a high level of courtesy.

            After this long introduction allow me to say you are often provocative, a few times not in a positive way. I have indeed the impression sometimes you walk an extra-mile to rub salt on people wounds and underline our differences.

            I consider many of your comments insightful and I noticed how they receive upvotes even from people ideologically distant from you, I hence have the impression many posters here exhibit a higher degree of open-mindness than you credit them for and have a problem with the way you say things more than the content of your posting

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you for your kind words.

            Hatred for Jews and Orientals infuriates me. When It is expressed I like to anger the haters by reminding them of how gifted those races are collectively. I anger them even more by substantiating my factual assertions with material I have found on this website.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I can understand that but also i ask you to make an effort to distinguish hatred from legitimate criticism.

            I admit there are wacko anti-jews rants here but there are also people who express, albeit somewhat harsh, articulate and proper criticisms of modern Jewish traits. I for instance am a strong Israel advocate but i also do consider childish and immature the relentless support many ashkeanzi give to “progressive” causes.

            At the same time, despite overall being happy in Asia and being a shameless admirer of Korean and Northern Chinese culture (Canto/Hakka/Hokkien/etc. much less so truth to be told), I also see the situation is not as rosy as Asian themselves like to present it.

            For instance Korea, for being a developed Asian nation, has a very high level of crime, social ills etc.

            And well lots of white folks are demoralised and sincerely worried about the future of their culture, their countries and their families, they need and deserve to boost their won morale sometimes, don’t you think ?

          • Berkeley Guy

            I am a straight white male and a gentile.

            In some ways, Mr. Engelman’s posts stir the pot. Some of my fellow white males get frustrated by what he writes. I still believe, as I have stated elsewhere, that having a sound emotional makeup is at least as important (but in many instances more so) as having high aptitude in mathematical reasoning, natural langauge ability, and spatial reasoning. I understand both what you and my fellows on this site are saying with reference to provocative posts. But I believe that my fellow white males (not to forget white females) need to learn how to better handle confrontation and provocation tactics. Even as I preach so, I myself need keep working on emotional response to perceived threats. Many highly intelligent people do silly things because they have an unsound set of emotional habits.

            Those who feel demoralised need to take responsibility for their state of mind and adjust, improvise and overcome. I’m worried too, but I make sure to not habituate negative emotions, since it is simply what a bad bad utilitarian would do to waste energy or cognitive resources.

            All that said, your post is really interesting. I did not know that South Korea had a high level of crime, or social ills. But what types of social ills are problematic there?

            Fellow whites, it is not ‘the jooz’ who are against you. Many people here have been upset that George Soros promotes open-border policies, but did you know that James Rogers, Soros’ Alabaman, Anglo Saxon, Staunch Capitalist, Fiscal Conservative, old fashoined southern bow-tie wearing business partner says the same things that Soros says, and has been quite vocal and explicit about this. Rogers is no anti-white. He is about as White Man in America as you can get, but people who quote Soros fail to realize that those two were tight business partners when they ran the Quantum Fund together and hold very similar political views. You will find many people who are just as Anglo as Jared Taylor who think just like Soros and Rogers. Read Rogers’ Adventure Capitalist, where he talks about European women traveling to the Ivory Coast in Africa to pick up black boys in a bar for sex-touristing. The European women pays for the dinner, hotel, everything. ‘The Jooz’ didn’t make those women go down there, just like they didn’t make the fat white guys from the US go to Asia for yellow sex tourism.
            /rant

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            First of all let me say this kind of posting is the reason why i have come to love AmRen.

            I think you are really spot-on about the importance of emotional intelligence, of which Europeans obviously possess enormous abundance.

            In fact i believe this is our main advantegous trait over North East Asians. The latter group is anything but innovative or creative, i have done business personally with at least a dozen incredibly innovative Asian entrepreneurs (Chinese and Koreans), what this people lack is a highly developed level of emotional intelligence, which translates into a clear lack of empathy and curiosity.

            I believe it was this disregard for the world at large that led China to miss entirely the industrial revolution that swept Englad in the 1700’s, despite possessing an enormous scientific tradition. Asians are simply not interested in pure theoretical knowledge or any knowledge that doesn’t produce money or staus. In the end instead it was that thirst for knowledge that produced in Europe the science the merchant/industrialist class needed to churn out enormous quantities of cheap consumer goods. A Chinese Spinoza or a Chinese Locke, let alone a Chinese Newton simply would not have been possible.

            The flipside of white people curiosity is an excessive level of generosity, which more often than not translates into self-defeating behaviour. It will be hard to rebalance but it has to be done: Asia has a fantastic entrepreneurial class but a total absence of an intellectual stratum, Europeans on the other hand are more and more swirling aimlessly in this world, overintellectualizing everything and in the end producing only destructive and moronic ideologies (what i call the Triumph of Nihilistic Mediocrity)

            We need the thinkers and we need the producers as well, for the sake of Civilisation.

            I also want to thank you about your sound reasoning about the role of the Jews: i don’t hold any grudge against people who point out the flaws of modern Jewish culture, i believe though that every race need to acknoledge their own failures, instead of blindly celebrating their strenghts.

            We accuse (with many reasons) modern blacks to invoke the YT bogeyman as a scapegoat for their own disastrous condition, we , and sorry if i include myself, need to acknowledge that maybe it isn’t too plausible that 10 million people can be so devilishly cunning, powerful and smart to cause the downfall of a civilisation comprising hundreds of millions of very capable people.

            As for Korea, thanks for asking you may be surprised as most people tend to view it as a clone of Japan but it is a place that is plagued by an enormous level of alcoholism and alcohol-related violence. They call Koreans the Irish of Asia and to a certain degree the comparison holds: they’re much taller than fellow Asians, louder, more individualistic and more aggressive.

            Also local youth is not overall in great conditions: school bullyism reaches overthere nightmarish proportions, while rapes among teens constitute an epidemic.

            Very impressive people, extremely intelligent but equally self-destructive and not at all the docile, meek or inscrutable type, i guess it must be the abundance of Manchu&Mongol blood in them.

            PS

            I met Mr. Rogers a couple of times…**ROLL EYES** if only I could talk

          • Martel

            You seem to agree with Engelman that without blacks, racial hatred would be caused by the ”envious” white race alone. Given that you approved of this post below.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I didn’t read it as an attack on white nationalists, a group against whom i have absolutely nothing and that i find in general way more civil and compelling than most people around (even the anti-jewisih ones, i’m not a guy who’s scared of strong opinions), i read it as a nod to the reality of race realism: if certain minorities were different, there would be no reason to feel any hostility or anxiety toward them, unfortunately they aren’t.

            Maybe it’s just me who always assume the best about other people.

            By the way my opinions differ quite a lot from John’s: i for instance am an anti-immigration (White and Asian included) hawk for several reasons, not necessarily based on a racialist view of the world

            last but not least:

            I don’t think whites are envious, i tell you and i will tell John when he’s around: it is exactly this kind of lines dropped here and there that leave a sour taste in my mouth even when i happen to agree with him…if anything i think lots of whites are scared and sad and they have a gazillion reasons to feel so

          • Martel

            He claimed that without blacks, only envious whites would prevent racial harmony,which would be consistent with many of his earlier statements. Blacks, Ashkenazi Jews, European gentiles, Hispanics and Asians are equally susceptible to legitimate and ostensibly legitimate fears, prejudices, and insecurities which lead to ethnic conflict. JE claims ethnic conflict is caused by resentful European gentiles, and by blacks due to their lack of impulse control and lower average IQ’s. In reality, Asians, Ashkenazi Jews, and Hispanics are just as likely to promote their ethnic interests or to infringe upon the interests of the other. JE believes Asians and Ashkenazi Jews are somehow not influenced by the same psychological mechanisms which cause ethnic conflict, despite plenty of evidence to the contrary. I don’t hate anyone because of their ethnic background, I simply recognise that ethnic background influences our behaviour, including voting patterns and cultural preferences. Being a race realist doesn’t only require one to see differences in average intelligence and its consequences, but also the impossibility of multi ethnic societies. Diversity needs to be kept to a minimum. Engelman wishes US whites to compromise a mere forty percent of the total US population, this is my problem with him. Not his admiration for Asians, I could not care less.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            If he said that then he said something i completely disagree with and that i misunderstood, i thought he referred only to White supremacists and not Whites in general, I’m not his lawyer (a profession i heartily despise) and i have no interest in defending him, but maybe we can wait for him to clarify this point ?

            Other than that i pretty much agree 100% with your post here, particularly this part:

            I simply recognise that ethnic background influences our behaviour, including voting patterns and cultural preferences

            Diversity is particularly toxic in the context of a “democracy”, i really DO NOT want my child (btw blonde White and from a previous marriage) to grow up in Lebanon circa 1973 or any reality where the political discourse has to walk on a thin sheet of ice balancing continuous cultural and racial tensions.

          • Martel

            I have spoken with him many times so its not hard for me to interpret these comments, he occasionally claims this is not true, but he continues with statements clarifying that he considers whites immoral and Jews and Asians infallible. Diversity and democracy are incompatible, indeed.

          • JohnEngelman

            I never said that whites are immoral. I have never said that Jews and Asians are infallible. Claiming that I said that is an example of the straw man fallacy.

            What I have said, and repeat, is that the Ashkenazim have a higher average IQ than Orientals who have a higher average than white Gentiles. I have documented that assertion using material I have found on American Renaissance.

          • Martel

            You stated both, and you imply it continually, hence its not a fallacy. I have no issue with you making such claims about IQ, but with the comments which Slizzard referred to as intentionally provocative. Anyone who even questions the average IQ of Asians you call a bigot, even though many questions remain. Your troubled identity, caused by the issues you told us about, must be the reasons for this bias. Only yesterday you clearly stated whites, without blacks, would be the single cause of racial animosity. You continually make unsubstantiated, hateful statements about whites. No one cares about the measurements of intelligence amongst Asians and Ashkenazi Jews, we all read Rushton and Cochran. Though questions remain, and the issue of identity politics is not discussed as much as many would like to due to political taboos, the vast majority of white nationalists do not care about this. Others, sick of watching white identity take a beating take a more positive view of white capabilities, which based on historical evidence, is a valid position. I have no issue with any of these positions, I want a safe and comfortable future for all whites, nothing else matters for those who comprehend the consequences of current policies.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            PS

            I agree with John mostly when it comes to his views of the criminal justice system, the stupidity of the AA complex and the validity of standardised tests as a tool of evaluation (something the left fear and despise), i also find refreshing that a person who holds relatively leftist views in terms of economic policies (and i disagree with most of them) is not refusing a pragmatic approach to the question of race.

            Race realism should not be confined to the domain of the right, even if we support a social democracy model we can keep our brain open to the power of science

          • Grantland

            The admiration for Asians is part cover, part involuntary hatred for us.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are just projecting your hatred on to me. It is true that I despise anti Semites.

          • Korean guy

            “As for Korea, thanks for asking you may be surprised as most people tend to view it as a clone of Japan but it is a place that is plagued by an enormous level of alcoholism and alcohol-related violence. They call Koreans the Irish of Asia and to a certain degree the comparison holds: they’re much taller than fellow Asians, louder, more individualistic and more aggressive.”

            I do not drink. It is not like I refuse to drink or get sick if I consume alcohol, but I would not actively go out to a bar and specifically order a drink and pay for it. I do enjoy various types of soft drinks, fruit juices, specialty coffee and so on. If I ever am at a party and the host gives me a bottle of beer, I will gladly accept it.

            I do not smoke either. I tried smoking a cigarette and cigar a few times but I simply did not have the need to try ever again.

            And there are also some Chinese and Japanese men and women who drink and some don’t.

            I feel Chinese men happen to be loudest among the three types of men (Korean, Japanese and Chinese) and it has to do with their language and personalities. But by no means I am disturbed by someone being a bit louder than me. I should not expect or demand people to be exactly the way I am or exactly the way I want them to be. As long as they are not disturbing me or making me feel uncomfortable, I have no problem with people who speak loud.

            And if you do want me to list a few physical differences I see,

            – Korean guys are a bit taller
            – Korean men and women tend to be a bit more pale than Japanese and Chinese men and women
            – Japanese men tend to have more prominent facial bone structures around the face

            As for agressiveness… no I am not aggressive. I used to have a Caucasian girlfriend and she nicknamed me “Puppy” because she said I have the eyes of a puppy.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            First of all let me apologise, of course i did not mean to say every Korean is a raging clone of 최민식 after 5 bottles of soju, i still noticed though lots of street fighting, people puking, yelling etc. in the country, which is a bit shocking for a white guy as generally we hold this stereotype of N.E. Asians as very shy and quiet types. I have to say I’ve never seen anything comparable to a Friday night in Hongdae anywhere in Asia.

            Also i notice every time how ripped and imposing many youngsters doing their military service look like.

            Let me add that the white skin, haughty features and tall stature imho make Koreans the most beautiful nationality on the continent, and they are also the most intellectually gifted, still i believe that overall Korea is a more violent society than China and Japan albeit a more exciting one perhaps

          • Korean guy

            “최민식 after drinking five straight bottles of soju”

            Hahaha, that is hilarious!! yes, Mr. Choi is basically the Korean vesion of Bruce Willis. Not necessarily very big, but does all the “tough, masculine guy” stuff

          • Geo1metric

            The “points” you make are anecdotal. So what if Rogers, an Anglo, has similar politics as Soros.?

          • JohnEngelman

            Korea, for being a developed Asian nation, has a very high level of crime, social ills etc.

            – SlizzardAjeosshi

            The murder rate in South Korea per 100,000 inhabitants is 0.9, In the United States it is 4.8

            I am confident that the illegitimacy rate for South Koreans is lower than it is for white Gentiles in the United States, but I do not have the statistics at my disposal.

            According to the OECD/PISA Study students in South Korea outscore students in all white schools in science and mathematics.

          • JohnEngelman

            And well lots of white folks are demoralized and sincerely worried about the future of their culture, their countries and their families, they need and deserve to boost their own morale sometimes, don’t you think ?

            – SlizzardAjeosshi

            If their are reasons for their low moral, Jews and Orientals are not responsible for those reasons. Perhaps white Gentiles should take the advice they give to blacks. They should commit fewer crimes, and have fewer illegitimate children.

            More diligence in the classroom would help too.

          • Mike Smith

            People can use their gifts for good or for evil.

          • Martel

            Your bias against whites infuriates others. Who actually have legitimate grievances, this site is primarily dedicated to the rights of white gentiles to protect and cherish their ethnic identity. There are also legitimate reasons for doing so, for example, if all white Americans would be concerned about these issues, a Hispanic invasion would have been dealt with a long time ago. You have no legitimate grounds upon which you can defend your behaviour, its simply an odd worldview you accepted because of some of the personal difficulties you talked about. No one minds race realism, even if it would lead to the understanding that Chinese immigrants from certain regions have a higher average IQ, as Slizzard correctly pointed out, and as I told you time and time again, this is not why you are disliked by most visitors of Amren dot com.

          • JohnEngelman

            My world view is closer to the American consensus than yours is.

          • JohnEngelman

            The facts I post, largely from this website, infuriate those who want to believe that they belong to the master race. They dislike me because they can’t handle the truth.

          • Martel

            There is not truth in your commentary,your obvious distaste for whites bothers many posters. There are good reasons to support white nationalism, there are no good reasons to support the displacement of whites as you do.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have indeed the impression sometimes you walk an extra-mile to rub salt on people’s wounds.

            – SlizzardAjeosshi

            What are those wounds? Why do they feel so much hatred and anger? What are they afraid of?

            Successful white Gentiles do not worry about imaginary dangers like “genocide” and “race displacement.” They do not resent the success of non whites and Jews.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            John i think it is a very bad idea to allow a large inflow of immigrants into any country for reasons i will explain as soon as we have the chance to discuss an immigration thread.

            After living among Asians for almost 2 years, allow me to say i think you’re kinda wearing rose-tinted glasses. I do think many things about modern Asian cultures are cutting edge and extremely interesting but trust me societies around here DO have their dark side… way more than people think

          • JohnEngelman

            I am ambivalent about immigration. I like immigrants, and appreciate the cultural diversity they contribute.

            On the other hand, a growing population from any cause contributes to the growing income gap. More people have an inflationary effect on prices, and a deflationary effect on incomes. Consequently, a high rate of immigration raises profits.

            This is true regardless of the races of the immigrants.

            One can express the relationship between population and standard of living with the following equation:

            (natural resources x level of technology) / population = standard of living

          • JohnEngelman

            I regret that you have had bad experiences with Orientals. I never have. During my life I have enjoyed going to school with them, working with them, and living with them.

          • JohnEngelman

            The main problem the United States faces from non whites is presented by blacks. The great majority of these were brought here as slaves before the American Revolution.

            In the predominantly black, and consequently dangerous city I live in Hispanic immigration has been an improvement.

          • SlizzardAjeosshi

            I took my Master degree at Vanderbilt in Chicago so i know what you mean

          • JohnEngelman

            American blacks average about twenty percent white ancestry. Hispanics in the United States probably average more than half white ancestry. That explains different average IQ’s, and rates of crime.

          • Geo1metric

            ” The great majority of these were brought here as slaves before the American Revolution.”

            Those have all died. Long ago.

          • JohnEngelman

            Eventually. The higher average IQ will take about a thousand years to evolve.

            Since 1980 the percentage of interracial marriages in the U.S. has more than doubled. How do you intend to reverse that trend?

          • Dr. Möbias

            “The white race is not threatened by “extinction.”

            Right, you just support the intentional demographic elimination of White children and White homelands via race replacement and call it “Celebrating Diversity.”

            Look closely.

            You have

            1. Massive immigration,

            2. To white countries only

            3. Border laws suspended/selectively enforced; Coupled with:

            4. Forced integration

            5. Racial preference to non-whites 6. Coerced tolerance

            7. Socially engineered assimilation/genetic blending.

            What is the end result of diversity?

            Genocide, White Genocide.

          • FeuerSalamander

            MAYBE A DINGO ATE YOUR BABY!!! A DINGO….ATE……YOUR BABY!!!

          • LACountyRedneck

            The problem with White countries isn’t IQ. It’s traitors. You know that.

          • JohnEngelman

            A problem with white countries is that there are too many embittered white failures who direct their anger at non whites and become white supremacists. They take pride in being white, because they have nothing else to be proud of.

          • Martel

            White supremacists are nearly non existent, to claim this is a problem is ridiculous, it shows again you should not even be here.

            This is what a much more reasonable sinophile just talked to you about, intentionally provocative posts based on your distaste of whites.

          • JohnEngelman

            I have a high regard for the white race, but a low regard for whites who are hostile toward Jews and Orientals.

          • Martel

            I don’t have a low regard for Jews or Asians who hold hostile views against gentile whites, unless when I expect better of them because of their educational background. Nor do I have a a low regard for white gentiles who are hostile towards Asians and jews, I understand their grievances though I also call understanding for the fact that Asians and Jews are merely humans, endowed with better and lesser qualities. The experiences of me and my fellow students with Asians were on the whole negative, due to their ethnocentrism, lack of creativity and input, cheating and caring little about copyright infringement, but I understand why nearly all of us made these similar observations. Though I developed a distaste for working with Asians, I don’t hate them, I simply understand that we are different, and protecting racial homogeneity is necessary to maintain a peaceful and harmonious society.

            I prefer prejudiced Asians, blacks, Hispanics, and Jews, over whites who due to some incomprehensible defect despise their own people.

          • Geo1metric

            Some people are incapable of rational thought. They are poseurs. Leave them to stew in their own juices.

          • Mike Smith

            I have traveled from one side of this country to another and lived in six different states. I have never once met a “white supremacist.” Whites are worried about living in a country dominated by people unlike them. This is a legitimate worry.

          • Geo1metric

            I have difficulty seeing White supremacist sentiments on this site. The vast majority of people here support separatism. And I find very little “hatred” of Jews and/or Orientals, simply criticism.

            Those who attribute “hatred” and supremacism typically are “blowing smoke”.

          • silviosilver

            You refuse to draw a distinction between white supremacists (who certainly exist), white nationalists and white preservationists. All value white and are determined to defend white existence, but they vary enormously in their attitudes towards non-whites. It is deliberately misleading to lump them all in the same category and collectively denounce them.

          • Mergatroyd

            Amen. I’ve been complaining about Engelman for years. I don’t know why this forum thinks it’s OK for Engelman to hi-jack almost every thread for his Asian fetish.

            Is this a pro-White issues forum or not? Engelman has chased off a lot of good posters because his comments are left to stand while any rebuttal with facts, data and empirical evidence showing where and how his statist views are wrong are taken down. Complain about thread hijacking? Your posts are taken down while entire threads are taken over with comments about Asians.

            I’ve made my views clear, it’s time others who feel the same way do as well.

            This used to be a great site with great posters. I don’t come here to read White bashing or about Asian superiority. Is that not best on an Asian-themed thread? We Whites have so few sites left where we can comment.

          • JohnEngelman

            Anyone I chased off had nothing of value to contribute.

          • Tim_in_Indiana

            I don’t know why this forum thinks it’s OK for Engelman to hi-jack almost every thread for his Asian fetish.

            Oh please. It’s you guys who have to respond to everything he says who really hijack the thread. Even when he doesn’t post, someone always has to bring him up. You guys’ constant whining about this one poster amuse me. Ever heard of the old saying “don’t feed the trolls?”

          • RealisticGuy

            Come now, is it wrong of us to despise a man like him? Say what you will about the effectiveness of lambasting him, but we have the right. He ought not be here at all.

          • Dr. Möbias

            He isn’t going away. That’s why trolls are banned when they repeatedly demoralize entire forums by spreading anti-White garbage on every thread. It’s a waste of bandwidth and does not belong on a site such as AR.

            Is this not a White issues forum where Whites can gather and discuss White issues, not Asian issues?

            Maybe you enjoy his anti-White, pro-Asian/Jewish posts, if you do, you are in the minority.

          • Martel

            Whites cannot have one website where they aren’t continually confronted with anti white bigotry?

            A break from the torrent of abuse in the mainstream media?

          • Martel

            I noticed you agree with Engelman that without blacks,the ”envious” white race would be the single cause of racial conflict. A disturbing view, I don’t see why any of the posters not afflicted with such negative feelings about whites should take your comments seriously.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Exactly. I believe the traitor pays to stay here. I purchase books from this site occasionally and would be glad to make occasional monetary contributions but for the fact this traitor is allowed to stay. It’s too bad because it’s a great relief being with like minded people here.

          • Mergatroyd

            Don’t forget to tell all the people here, John, how you wish for the race replacement of Whites by Asians and Jews.

            Here’s the proof, in your own words for everyone to see:

            — The thought of you losing your job to a more intelligent Jew or Oriental is pleasing to me. As time goes on there will be more of that.

            — I like ethnic diversity

            What Jewish lies?

            The Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence. That is the truth.

            — What matters is not race. What matters is IQ.

            — Miscegenation is the coming trend. There is not point in even trying to reverse it.

            — Get used to it. In the future inter racial marriage will be even more common.

            — History is moving against you. America is becoming more multi racial, more multi ethnic, and more meritocratic. There is nothing white nationalists can do about. One gets places in politics by getting in front of popular issues. One does not get places by fighting for lost causes.

            — John Engelman.

            h/t Celestial Times

          • RealisticGuy

            It really is disappointing. Surely he didn’t have to be this way. He could of been a better man than he has become.

            I feel the same about all liberal Europeans.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Ditto. He doesn’t get it or simply doesn’t care what most of us here think. I believe he is tolerated here because of his purchases and/or donations.

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not care what race bigots think of me.

          • Mergatroyd

            You are the race bigot. You wish for the race replacement of Whites by Asians and Jews in White homelands. That makes you in favor of White genocide. That makes you a mortal enemy of the White Race and a genocidal monster.

          • JohnEngelman

            I admire Orientals and Ashjkenazi Jews. This is partly because I have had good experiences with them. It is partly because I admire excellence. Accept that and move on. Try to post something intelligent for a change.

          • RealisticGuy

            No one will minds admiration of them too much, unless it becomes, as it has in your mind, a sickness.

          • Dr. Möbias

            Then why don’t you head over to a site for Jews or “Orientals” where you can post to your heart’s content about how superior they are. What is the point of you repeating this endlessly on a White publication on thread after thread, day after day, month after month, year after year?

            You repeat the same thing over and over and over: Asians and Jews = Superior and Good. Whites = inferior, stupid, degenerate compared to Asians and Jews.

            What is it you are hoping to accomplish here? That Whites are going to believe the BS you’re spewing and take your side?

            You are delusional.

          • JohnEngelman

            If I am delusional, why is it so easy for me do document factual assertions using material I have found on American Renaissance?

          • FeuerSalamander

            YOIU DON”T GOTS NO NIPPON HAGENE!

          • LACountyRedneck

            And I don’t care what White traitor cowards think of me.

          • Dr. Möbias

            I do not care what anti-White racists think.

          • Garrett Brown

            He has autism.

          • Martel

            No, those who do recognize many of the negative statements you made about whites. I like Rushton, I consider you a negative, what is the difference?

            Not discussions of high average IQ of Asians.

          • JohnEngelman

            I agree with Professor J. Philippe Rushton about nearly everything. He has said that Orientals tend to be more intelligent than whites, and that they have more sexual restraint, and lower crime rates.

            There is plenty of evidence for those assertions, but Professor Rushton was persecuted for saying them.

          • Martel

            He was not persecuted for his questionable statements about Asians, but, about his statements about blacks.

          • JohnEngelman

            His statements about Orientals are just as obviously true as his statements about blacks.

          • Martel

            Obviously not, its more difficult to get representative data on Asian Americans.

          • FeuerSalamander

            YOU DON”T GOTS NO PANCAKE MIX!!!

          • silviosilver

            And Engelman is not being taken to task by commenters for his favorable remarks about Asians or Jews, but for his insistent denial that whites do not deserve a racial future. He is, as was said, much worse than a clown, he is a vicious anti-white liar who once had the gall to pretend that claims that white existence was threatened were “preposterous.”

          • Mike Smith

            You frequently commit the ad hominem fallacy. When people criticize Jews, you accuse them of scapegoating Jews for their own failures. When people defend white nationalism, you accuse them of hating and fearing Asians and Jews. In both cases, you have no way of knowing your opponent’s life situation or psychological motivations. You attack the presenter, rather than refute the argument.

          • FeuerSalamander

            you are just feeding the pancake griddle.

          • Geo1metric

            Is it “stream-of-consciousness”. Very good for laughs. Keep it up.

          • JohnEngelman

            No good argument can be presented against Jews or Orientals as races.

          • Mike Smith

            Many good arguments can be made against Jews, but you respond with evasions and attacks.

          • JohnEngelman

            I respond with facts I document and with logically valid arguments.

          • Mike Smith

            10 good arguments against Jews as a race:

            1. Jewish behaviors have contributed to outbreaks of anti-Semitism throughout history. These behaviors include holy wars, slave trading, criminality, draft dodging, nepotism, dishonest business practices, cultural subversion, and a drive to dominate any society where they live while remaining culturally distinct from that society.

            2. Jews exercise a disproportionate level of power and influence in the West. One could posit the existence of a “Jewish power structure” that dominates important institutions like government, elite universities, think tanks, the mass media, lobbying firms, and Wall Street. (“Anti-Semites” disagree about whether this power structure constitutes an actual conspiracy or loosely-connected networks of likeminded Jews in key positions.)

            3. Jewish elites—intellectuals, artists, politicians, media moguls, bankers, lobbyists, and leaders of Jewish organizations—have a history of dominating or pushing ideas, institutions, groups, movements, and policies that are detrimental to the health and survival of Western civilization. Examples include psychoanalysis, Marxism, Boasian Anthropology, the Frankfurt School, mass immigration, multiculturalism, globalism, militant secularism, radical feminism, political correctness, white guilt, the sexual revolution, pornography, Hollyweird, neoconservativism, Zionism, central banking; cultural and moral relativism; and atheism.

            5. Most everyday Jews do not actively undermine Western civilization. However, the vast majority of them are reluctant to criticize the destructive power of Jewish elites. Possible reasons for that reluctance include tacit agreement, indifference, willful ignorance, ethnic solidarity, or fear of being called a “self-hating Jew.”

            6. Jewish elites exaggerate and/or exploit Jewish suffering during WWII to advance Jewish interests (Zionism, reparations, etc.) and
            deflect criticism of Jewish power.

            7. Jewish Americans have dual-loyalty problems and work to subordinate America’s interests to the interests of Israel.

            8. Jews have long been the intellectual, financial, and organizational backbone of the American Left. Liberal Jews are motivated less by concern for social justice than by tribal interests (what’s good for Jews) and a disdain or hatred for the traditions and values of European Americans—especially conservative Christians.

            9. Jewish elites are guilty of double standards: Promoting multiculturalism in the West while defending Israel’s right to
            preserve its Jewish character; pairing uncritical support for Israeli nationalism with hysterical opposition to any other form of nationalism; using ethnic networking to get ahead while promoting affirmative action and antidiscrimination laws that disproportionately harm their biggest competitors (white Gentiles); and aggressively criticizing Gentile cultures while marginalizing or criminalizing criticism of Jews as “hate speech.”

            10. Jewish elites suppress or downplay embarrassing truths about Jewish history and beliefs: the invention of the Diaspora and lack
            of any genetic connection between modern Jews and the ancient Holy Land; the fundamental differences between “God’s” Old Testament Judaism and today’s “man-made” Rabbinical
            Judaism; Jewish persecution of Christians and Muslims; the Talmud’s depiction of Jesus as the son of a prostitute; the Talmud’s endorsement of exploiting Gentiles; and the belief that God will reward his chosen people with the destruction and
            enslavement of their enemies.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews are about one percent of the world’s population. They “exercise a disproportionate level of power and influence in the West” because a disproportionate number of them are in the genius level IQ range. That contributes to out breaks of anti Semitism. Anti Semitism is motivated by religious bigotry, and resentment about Jewish intelligence, achievement, and prosperity.

          • Mike Smith

            People can use their abilities for good or for evil. When Jews use their abilities to build bridges and cure diseases, they deserve praise. When they use their abilities to promote mass immigration, endless war, and cultural degeneracy, they deserve criticism. One can’t understand the decline of Western civilization without grappling with the Jewish Question.

          • JohnEngelman

            What you see as “the decline of Western civilization” I see as an economic downturn that I do not blame on Jews, but deregulation and tax cuts for the rich. Consequently I blame it on Republicans.

          • Mike Smith

            The decline of the West has been moral, cultural, and
            spiritual—not just “economic.” The rise of Jews in any society is often followed by moral and cultural rotting within that society. As the Jewish genius Stanley Kubrick told a close friend, “Hiter was right about almost everything.”

            Kubrick is not alone. What follows is a list of prominent
            Jews who echo the arguments of “anti-Semites”: Dr. Alfred Lilienthal, Tony Judt, John Meerscheimer, Robert Weissberg, Theodore Dalrymple, Gerald Kaufman, James Howard Kunstler, Carl Bernstein, Miko Peled, William D. Rubinstein, Seymour
            Hersch, David Cole, Brother Nathanal Kappner, Dennis Prager, Alan Sabrosky, Philip Weiss/Adam Horowitz, David Cole, Norman Finkelstein, Henry Makow, Paul Godfried, Max Blumenthal, Matt Drudge, Murray Rothbard, Aaron Russo, Daniel Elsberg, Paul
            Eisen, Israel Shamir, Edwin Rubenstein, Jeff Blankfort, Professor Oren Ben-Dor, Michael Lerner, Philip Weiss, Lloyd Cohen, Bernard Lazare, Ron Unz, Gilad Alzman, Sever Plocker, Kenneth Roth, Jay Hyatt, Joseph Burg, Victor Ostrovsky, Laurence
            Auster, and Mark Levin.

            If all criticism of Jews is baseless scapegoating, how do you
            explain Jews criticizing other Jews? Your ad hominem attacks fail. Stereotypes don’t just fall from the sky. They almost always have a grain of truth. You once said, “Black stereotypes will go away when blacks stop reinforcing those stereotypes with their behavior and performance.” I would say, “Jewish stereotypes will go away when Jews stop reinforcing those stereotypes with their behavior and performance.”

            I respect your intelligence, and I enjoy reading many of your posts. What irks me is your automatic dismissal of any criticism of Jews—and your ad hominem attacks against anyone who criticizes Jews. These criticisms deserve a fair hearing.

          • JohnEngelman

            I respect your intelligence, and I enjoy reading many of your posts. What irks me is your automatic dismissal of any criticism of Jews.

            – Mike Smith

            Thank you for your kind words.

            It is easy for me to document in a single comment that fits on one computer screen that blacks tend to be less intelligent than whites, that they have higher rates of crime and illegitimacy, and that these characteristics exist everywhere in the world.

            It is easy for me to document that Ashkenazi Jews tend to have higher IQ’s than white Gentiles, and that they tend to be more successful and prosperous.

            No one can present documented evidence that by any reasonable criterion Jews tend to be less moral than white Gentiles.

            Those who express hostility for Jews as a group justify their hostility with vague generalities. I like numbers on paper and facts that can be documented using credible sources.

          • Mike Smith

            I agree that documenting the Jewish impact on culture and policy is more difficult than documenting the black impact on crime rates. It requires a more nuanced understanding of how particular groups influence the course of history. I don’t have the time or space to make a comprehensive case for each of my 10 arguments above, but I hope you can be more receptive to these claims in the future and less accusatory toward those with a less flattering view of the Jewish people.

          • JohnEngelman

            In the United States Jews have made positive contributions to science, high culture, and popular culture.

          • silviosilver

            This response deals with only of the ten objections Mike Smith raised. What have you to say about the other nine?

          • JohnEngelman

            Most of what he had to say consists of undocumented over generalizations.

          • Geo1metric

            “Anti Semitism is motivated by religious bigotry, and resentment about Jewish intelligence, achievement, and prosperity.”

            You cannot document that brash statement.

          • Erasmus

            Why does everyone assume Engelman is a YT? Has anyone ever seen him? For all anyone knows he could be a Bob Marley or even a Hattie McDaniel’s double.

          • RealisticGuy

            Quite possible. His utter distaste for Europeans everywhere is pathological.

      • JohnEngelman

        You care not for the fortunes of Europeans.

        – Realistic Guy

        I care for the fortunes of decent people of all races and nations. I have known many.

        • RealisticGuy

          And I don’t wish them ill. Unfortunately, you wish the smarter among them, regardless of their origin to be here with us.

          • Dr. Möbias

            He wishes the smarter amongst them, regardless of their origin to REPLACE US WHITES in our OWN HOMELAND.

            This applies to Whites and ONLY Whites. He’s not demanding that Israel or China or Japan open up their countries to the smartest faction of “others” to enhance THEIR countries, he is only against WHITES who seek a homeland for themselves and a future for their children. This means he promotes the genocide of the White Race and the fact that he is allowed to repeat this endlessly on a White forum is wrong. It is wrong.

            Denying White children a future and a homeland is the absolute height of evil.

    • DaveMed

      It will be for naught if the truth is not widely realized before we have lost sufficient power to take the steps that must be taken.

    • FozzieT

      I agree, and not just because of scientific studies and books like these. As minority populations grow, Whites cannot help but have more and more contact with those populations. Contrary to the “conventional wisdom,” this contact does not lead to the belief that “beneath the skin, we’re all the same,” but to the understanding that “we” are very different from “they.”

      • JohnEngelman

        The persistence of de facto segregation has contributed to the persistence of delusions about racial differences. White liberals usually come into contact with few blacks. Those few are usually exceptional, or the occupy subordinate positions without resentment.

        Of course, white Gentile liberals who come into contact with Jews and Orientals gain positive images that are accurate.

        • Martel

          The contacts of all my European peers with East Asians have not led to such positive images. Though, they are considered harmless, which is a positive I suppose. Nearly all my fellow students did not like the uncreative,incapable, and ethnocentric Chinese students.

          Recently, like in the US, the Chinese have become more active in ethnic activism. In times like these, the Dutch are not happy with such events, this didn’t do the PR of Chinese inhabitants of the Netherlands any good.

          • JohnEngelman

            What they and you really do not like is that the Chinese students earn higher grades.

          • Martel

            That was not the case at all, they were notorious cheaters but they definitely did not earn the highest grades I have to laugh looking back at my experiences with them and you assuming they performed better then me in any subject. You make assumptions about my peers(of all backgrounds) and Asians you do not even know. Again you prove my statements about you to be true.

            You assumed all my peers where white, and you clearly have a negative perception of whites, no different then the average leftist radical.

          • JohnEngelman

            You have a negative opinion of anyone who tells you the truth about racial differences.

          • Martel

            My statements about you can be verified by simply reading your previous comments. What you say about me will be debunked again right now:

            Take Rushton. He considers Asians to be on average more intelligent then whites, I doubt these claims, but I respect him greatly. I don’t respect you for obvious reasons.

          • JohnEngelman

            It gets tiresome to keep trying to push facts into narrow minds, but someone needs to do it.

            The following website includes SAT averages by race since the school year of 1986 – 87. Orientals have closed the gap in reading scores. They have increased the gap in mathematics. This provides tangible evidence of what Professor Rushton says about the racial superiority of Orientals.

          • Martel

            Not really, as Derbyshire noted, Chinese immigrants often come from the same region. Its not representative of the nation of peasants and copy right pirates they hail from. Secondly, Europeans have lost their intellectual traditions, students smoke pot in university instead of dedicating themselves like their Asian peers. A cultural revival would obviously have a positive effect on SAT averages.

          • RealisticGuy

            What you don’t seem to understand, is that any skill or ability they have, is not a reason for Europeans to hand over our lands to them. Trying to get you to understand that is tiresome for us, too.

          • kikz2

            that still doesn’t mean they can individually apply it in the real world….. so big woo.

          • JohnEngelman

            Then why do they tend to make more money than white Gentiles?

          • kikz2

            statistics can be skewed any way any one wants them to be…..

          • JohnEngelman

            That is why it is important to understand statistics, and to be able to evaluate logical arguments. It is important to distinguish between credible sources of data, and sources that are not credible.

          • kikz2

            your first premise, which i see you didn’t respond to…… was logically flawed so therefore i can safely assume that anything that follows is also flawed. 🙂

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            No, it provides tangible evidence of a more selective US immigration policy in regards to some immigrant groups as opposed to others. Even your beloved Richard Lynn acknowledges that Orientals had lower IQs than whites before the 1990s.

          • JohnEngelman

            Richard Lynn On A Century of IQ In Britain And The U.S.

            By Richard Lynn on July 7, 2013

            [This article appears in the current, Summer 2013 issue, of the U.K. quarterly magazine Salisbury Review]

            The Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ at an average of 110. This is one of the reasons that they are so successful and prominent in the professions, business and academia and as recipients of awards and prizes for outstanding intellectual work such as the Nobel Prize. For instance, in the United States Jews have been about three percent of the population during the last century and have won about a third of the Nobel prizes.

            The Chinese, Japanese and other Northeast Asians have the next highest IQ at 105. This explains why Japan, South Korea, Taiwan and Singapore, have done so well economically during the last half century, and why China has achieved such high rates of economic growth in recent years since it has introduced a market economy.

            The European nations have an average IQ of 100, which makes it difficult for them to compete economically against the Northeast Asians.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Lynn’s research on Northeast Asian IQ is methodologically flawed. In The Learning Gap: Why Our Schools are Failing and What We Can Learn from Japanese and Chinese Education (1992), the psychologists Stevenson and Stigler write:

            The claim that Japanese students are more intelligent than American students has been made by the Irish psychologist Richard Lynn, whose work was publicized several years ago in the cover story of a national magazine. Using American norms, Lynn computed Japanese children’s scores on a commonly used test of intelligence. On this scale, Japanese children’s average IQ was significantly above the American average. Lynn’s claims, if correct, would add greatly to our understanding of cultural differences in achievement, but as another publication has pointed out, they are wrong. Asian children may learn more during their school years, but their capacity – which is what intelligence tests measure – does not differ from that of American children.

            The fundamental flaw in Lynn’s report was his failure to consider two important variables: location of residence (urban versus rural) and socioeconomic status of the children’s families. One of the consistent findings since intelligence tests were devised nearly a century ago has been the large differences between IQ scores of city children and children living in remote villages, and between children from upper-income families and from disadvantaged homes. Lynn did not gather any of his information himself, but instead relied on the norms of the test that were published in the test manual. His choice was unfortunate. Because intelligence tests in Japan are primarily used in large cities, only urban children had been tested to establish the norms. Moreover, no attention had been paid to the necessity of selecting a representative sample of children from each Japanese city. The norms for the American test, by contrast, were based on a truly representative sample of urban and rural children of all socioeconomic levels.

            […]

            Contrary to what would be expected if cross-cultural differences in general intelligence could explain the striking differences in achievement, we found little overall difference in the levels of cognitive functioning of children across the three cultures. American children did not display lower intellectual abilities than Chinese and Japanese children.

          • JohnEngelman

            In the United States since 1986 – 87 Asian students have increased the gap in average SAT scores in mathematics. They have reduced the gap in reading. Keep in mind that for many of these Asians English is a second language.

            According to the OECD/PISA Study students in South Korea and Japan get higher average scores in mathematics and science than students in all white countries. Students in China, Taiwan, and Singapore are not listed.

          • Mergatroyd

            You’ve already established yourself as an anti-White who supports the genocide of the White race through race replacement by Asians and Jews.

            All that remains is for you to tell us how you came to hate Whites.

          • JohnEngelman

            Some whites deserve to be liked. Some deserve to be disliked.

            I love the truths about race realism.

          • LACountyRedneck

            Yes. Compare life prior to the change of immigration laws in the mid 60’s to life in China. Why not move there? You have something against boiling live cats?

          • silviosilver

            Virtually everyone I have asked has readily agreed with my characterization of reactions to Chinese that they’re treated basically like “shadows” – you rarely pay any attention to them but you’re not frightened by them if you happen to notice them. They’re far from horrible people but they are not your own and interacting with them is seldom even nearly satisfying as interacting with your own kind. If there are too many of them around you are tempted to find somewhere else to go where the majority of company is more agreeable.

            But no, according to Engelman these feelings only arise because Chinese students earn higher grades. Sigh. Torrents of this utter nonsense are tolerated by the moderators of this site. I can only hope they know what they’re doing.

          • Martel

            He certainly believes Europeans are an incredibly envious people. The Asian students I met and worked with where physically and intellectually frail.

        • A large percentage of the blacks I’ve been in contact with personally have advanced degrees in the sciences and engineering. However, I’ve come to realize that these make up a miniscule % of the population.

          While often a doomsday fan, I believe that looking at historical precident that whites will eventually wake up. There will be a terrible reckoning. I wouldn’t be terribly surprised if nuclear weapons, such as the neutron bomb, were used.

          • JohnEngelman

            Two of the best friends I have had in my life were black. If they were typical of the race the only race problems would be caused by whites who resented the race for its achievements.

            I doubt there will be a race war, or anything comparable. There have not been any significant black ghetto riots since 1992. The rate of violent crime has declined since 1991.

          • RealisticGuy

            You’re either a troll or a clown. I’m going to say clown.

          • JohnEngelman

            An internet troll is someone who angers others on the internet. I do not anger others by insulting them. I in turn am amused by their insults. I anger people by telling people things they know to be true, but wish were not.

          • RealisticGuy

            So it is true that Europeans ought to give over their lands to Asians and Jews. How can that be, Engelman?

            Are you playing the fool Engelman, or is this really all there is to you?

          • FeuerSalamander

            you are intentionally provocative and irritating, you fit the definition, You are talking about pancake mix again

          • silviosilver

            I don’t believe for a moment he is a clown. I think it’s a serious mistake to underestimate him. For whatever reason he has decided that positive white identity and ongoing white existence poses an unbearable risk to him and he is thoroughly determined to see to it that whites submit to racial extinction.

          • RealisticGuy

            I certainly don’t underestimate his evil. I do however think he poses little real threat — he is just as impotent as his mind’s eye is blind. He should of course be banned.

            Much more of a threat is Taylor himself, who has some power in this movement, and continues to allow Derbyshire, a man no better than Engelman, to speak at Amren conferences. I’ve heard it said by many a proud European, that they don’t understand Taylor; they cannot decide whether he is for them. Not an enviable position for a man who says he is about his people.

          • silviosilver

            It’s too much to think Taylor would have made WN his life’s work if he didn’t sincerely believe in his cause. I think his association with dissimulators like Derbyshire is best explained by Taylor’s willingness to work with anyone he believes can advance the white cause, in whatever small way. This Derbyshire can do, with his writings about immigration restriction and racial realism. However, I think it’s a serious mistake to fail to make it clear that what Derbyshire is not what Taylor stands for.

          • RealisticGuy

            That is the very question; HAS Taylor made WN his life’s work? I’m not so sure.

            Two statements: Race is biological. We as Europeans should protect our interests.

            Agreement with one does not imply agreement with the other.

            Derbyshire clearly believes that Race is biological, but does not care for his people enough that he feels his own children ought to be a part of us. If Taylor thinks a man like Derbyshire can advance European interests, he is mistaken. His presence discredits Amren, as does Engelman’s, though to a smaller degree.

            I wouldn’t be surprised if they were one and the same, Engelman and Derbyshire. They are similarly demented.

          • silviosilver

            I have read everything that Taylor has written that he has made publicly available, some of it many times over. His concern for the fate of his kind is very clear to me. However, he also understands the complexities involved in getting any serious effort off the ground, and it is for that reason he may sometimes appear too accommodating.

            I don’t think Derbyshire is necessarily incapable of advancing white interests. He could, in theory, acknowledge that he has parted ways with the life interests of his race but that he nevertheless supports the efforts of his kind to secure a long-term existence. The two aren’t mutually exclusive. Surely it’s better for those who have made “mistakes” (whether they seem them as such is hard to say) to rectify them by supporting white existence rather than joining in with everyone else in condemning it. In today’s environment such people’s support would likely receive a fairer hearing than an “angry white nationalist’s.”

            Incidentally, this is the first time I’ve spoken to you so you may not be aware that I fall into a similar class as Derbyshire, albeit for different reasons. I don’t believe in a unified pan-European white race. WN is rather obviously a northern/northwest European enterprise in my view. But I support it because I think whites (by whatever defintion) are the key – ie if whites survive then everyone else has a chance to secure a racial group existence; if whites go down, everyone else will eventually succumb too. If I speak like a “WN” it’s because I believe if you ally yourself with a group then you have the responsibility to behave like an ally, meaning you support that group’s goals. It’s something of a risk but mass diversity is so damnably unlivable it’s a risk I gladly take.

          • RealisticGuy

            European interests demand that miscegination be completely unacceptable, and those who commit it be ostracized from society. That we, the most fervent of Europeans, cannot uniformly send a man like Derbyshire away, speaks volumes to our resolve.

            Looking down at my children’s faces, seeing the similarity to my own, and by extension to my family and wider kindred, gives me immense joy.

            Children are an extension of oneself. They are the closest to
            immortality we mortals can come. To have children who are disimilar to oneself is to deny yourself, and all of your ancestors.

            I’m not a pan-European either. My allegiences are first to the English, second to other Germanic, and third to other Europeans. I say European because when I comment here, I expect readers to be a mishmash of European ethnic groups.

            Do tell, what is your real initiative?

          • silviosilver

            Initiative? Racial separatism.

          • RealisticGuy

            Tell me more, if you don’t mind.

          • silviosilver

            About what, who I think is who racially (what the “lines” are) or how I think separatism could be achieved?

          • RealisticGuy

            All of it. I’m willing to read if you’re willing to type.

            I think that all the peoples of the world ought to stay within their own borders, and not bother any other, taking care not to allow their numbers to swell to a point where conflict becomes inevitable.

            I think that the Germanic people are one whole nation, as are the Celtic, as were the Helenic and Italic. That doesn’t mean that those peoples should be contained in single states, but that they should consider one another kindred, and stand together. The so called southern Europeans of today, I think the vast majority of them aren’t European at all. The Roman and Greek melting pots we can thank for that. Spain too.

            That there are no better races, in the exact (absolute) sense of the word. Merely ones with different skills and abilities.

          • silviosilver

            Oh, I’m willing to type. I reckon I could filibuster for two weeks straight on this stuff. I’m just a little worn out today. In brief, I’m a fair guy and if I had a magic wand the world I’d conjure up would be strikingly similar to the one you insist obtain. Unfortunately, neither you nor I have a magic wand so, our divergent our aims notwithstanding, we’re both left having to do what works with the hand we’ve been dealt. Mere demands that peoples do this or do that, it hardly needs to be said, simply do not work. What does? I can’t know for certain but I think I’ve hit upon some sound ideas. I’ll return to this thread later and outline a few of them, or if I don’t just remind me the next time our paths cross.

          • RealisticGuy

            Do tell me your ideas. But also tell how our aims are different. You are not one of us; so what are you?

          • RealisticGuy

            Deeply sorry. I didn’t mean it to seem a lecture. I was just speaking my mind. I can come off a little serious and preachy, take it as a failing of mine, not that I have anything against you, or anything you’ve said.

          • FeuerSalamander

            Not so sure I agree with you here. There is evidence that Nordics have some DNA from the Huns. The real issue is the rate of introduction of new DNA. With each generation only half, at most, of the non european DNA gets passed along when each generation is bred with a pure European. That means that in a certain number of generations all of the non Euro DNA will be bred out. The exceptions are for things such as mitochondrial DNA.This means that if a small amount of non Euro DNA is introduced, it can be absorbed and bred out over time.

            The problem is that when large numbers of non Euro DNA are introduced then subsequent generations will not always be mixed with pure Euro DNA and the foreign DNA will persist. There is a level , below which, the non Euro DNA will not endure. IF numbers of mixed couples are high, then whites should keep all mixtures out except for a select few. Ideally, the numbers of mixed coupels and their offspring should be very very low.

          • Dr. Möbias

            I’ve always been baffled by Derbyshire worshipers. He does not represent White interests.

          • Dr. Möbias

            What he does is divert and distract from what we Whites need to focus on: Preserving a homeland and future for our White children.

            We are losing our culture, history and heritage, are being displaced at record levels, are being actively legislated against in OUR own homelands, ALL of them and what do we have?

            A psychopathic troll who continually diverts the threads with his own peculiar fetishes. Why he hasn’t been banned completely baffles me.

          • RealisticGuy

            There is far too much focus on racial differences on Amren. Jared Taylor seems to think we need race realism, racial statistics and genetic science, to assert ourselves.

            This is also distracting from what is important. That we are a people, and we wish to remain on this earth, is all that is required.

            I’ve never heard an African mention some genetic study to back up his claims to ethnic identity.

          • Dr. Möbias

            The clowns are the ones who allow Engelman to spew his anti-White venom across the threads on this forum. That’s where the problem is.

          • RealisticGuy

            I agree with you. Taylor has to put his foot down. Of course, he ought to distance himself from Derbyshire as well.

          • FeuerSalamander

            Don’t feed the trolls or the clowns

          • Mrfinoni

            through incarceration

          • JohnEngelman

            What you say is true. The incarceration rate has tripled since 1980. Legalized abortion has helped too. Millions of potential criminals have been destroyed in the womb.

          • FozzieT

            What is it with the beating up on Engelman here? I haven’t seen any anti-white venom from him. What’s so wrong about pointing out the fact that Ashkenazi Jews and Orientals score higher on IQ tests than Whites? Are people so insecure that unless they’re rated #1 in all areas, they’re failures? Give me a break – that’s not race-realism, that’s race fantasy. Guess what? On average, blacks are faster runners than Whites. Who cares? Whites do well across the board on all measures of performance. That’s something to be proud of.

            I just finished spending a few hours today posting on Conservative Inc.’s National Review Online in regards to Kevin Williamson’s article about the lack of black educational success. I brought up race-realist truths and promoted Nicholas Wade’s new book. I got hammered for it, but I believe it’s worthwhile for us to get out into the “mainstream” rather than just shout in the echo chamber.

            And guess who was the only other poster I recognized from this website? Engelman. And he was getting beaten up too. Where was everybody else?

            And for those of you who have the audacity to criticize John Derbyshire and Jared Taylor: why don’t you start posting under your own, real name like they do?

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you.

            I am a convinced race realist. That angers liberals and white nationalists. They cannot handle the truth about racial differences.

            By the way, I do not consider insults to be getting “beaten up.” I consider them to be admissions that my detractors have no rational rebuttals to my arguments.

          • FozzieT

            Well, it looks like NRO deleted all of my posts, but yours are still up. I didn’t think I was being rude, and tried to just stick to facts, but I guess I ended up taking the bait from one of the trolls and snapped back at him. Oh well – lesson learned. At least my information was up for a good 12 hours.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am sorry to hear about that. I thought your posts were reasonable.

            Someone who flamed me for telling an inconvenient truth got his posts removed.

            I am glad I discovered that website. I will be going back.

          • FozzieT

            It’s the flagship website for Conservatism, Inc. I think many of their readers could be brought over to race-realism if the arguments are presented in a fact-based manner. No hate, no degrading, no name-calling. Just the presentation of the same information as provided on AmRen.

          • JohnEngelman

            Fozziet,

            Please click on my avatar, and send me an e-mail letter.

          • JohnEngelman

            They removed mine too. I sent e-mail letters to two e-mail addresses asking why my comments were removed. They have not gotten back to me yet.

            There are conservative aspects to my thinking. I am pessimistic about human nature and human potential. I think there is often wisdom in tradition. Nevertheless, I vote Democrat.

            That should not be a banning offense at National Review. I had thought they would be too mature to play silly high school games like this.

          • FozzieT

            They removed the posts for one reason – fear. They fear they will be called “racist” by allowing race-realist posts to stand. They know full well what happens when one of their writers fails to toe the PC line – just ask John Derbyshire, Peter Brimelow and our very own Jared Taylor. All former contributors to National Review, all written out of “Conservatism, Inc.” because they dared to challenge the PC orthodoxy of race.

          • JohnEngelman

            There are conservative aspects to my thinking. I am pessimistic about human nature and human potential. I think there is often wisdom in tradition. I am usually suspicious of abrupt social and political changes.

            Nevertheless, I am fairly liberal on economic and environmental issues. The comments they removed reflected this liberalism.

          • FozzieT

            My experience with them is that they give a pretty wide latitude to folks with different beliefs on the environment or the economy, as long as people are civil, and they’re not wandering too far off the point of the original article.

            Race, however, is a different story.

          • JohnEngelman

            It may be they think I am stained because of my involvement with American Renaissance.

            Nevertheless, I suspect that one of my detractors here has become a mod there.

          • Geo1metric

            Blacks are being used as a tool.

        • FozzieT

          Unfortunately, I am going to partially disagree with you, at least as regards to my own personal experience. My personal contact with most Jews has only served to confirm the stereotype of their being pushy and materialistic. And please don’t confuse me with the anti-Semites who seem to hijack too many threads here. I just prefer to socialize with other White Christians.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am sorry that you have had bad experiences with Jews. I have had good experiences with them, and with other white Christians.

  • BillMillerTime

    Enjoyed it and hope to hear more of these as I am always interested in what Jared, John and Richard have to say. But Richard, please review your sound levels. Yours was rather below the others.

  • Zinc30

    I can confirm Jared’s view of anthropology professors. My son has taken several anthropology classes recently. They are the vanguard of political correctness.

    • Cannot Tell

      I posted an AR article on my facebook and subsequently had a discussion with a white male anthropology graduate student. He attempted to refute my points that race is a biological construct. He claimed that you cannot tell a person’s race from their DNA, that you can’t tell a person’s race from looking at their skeleton, etc. It was very disconcerting. Prior to this discussion I thought the only thing race denialist anthropologists disagreed with us about was average IQ differences among the races. I was very wrong.

      • Dr. Möbias

        That anthropology graduate student obviously worships Stephen Jay Gould and Franz Boas, two Jews whose goal it was to destroy the White race and get us to accept massive non-White flooding of our living spaces. Hey, we’re all exactly alike so what’s the big deal if destitute, violence-prone Somalis with 70 IQs move into YOUR neighborhood and your kid’s schools.

        Only a racist hater would object.

        Both Gould and Boas have been outted as frauds and charlatans, except on college campuses where both are obviously worshiped.

        How is it a forensic scientist can look at some old rotted bones and determine race from them? Or blindly look at DNA and determine the race that produced it? But, to keep his job he has to swear that there are no racial differences.

        • FeuerSalamander

          I am an artist and I have spoken in depth with forensic artists abut their work. One of my questions was how they can tell the shape of soft tissue, such as nose cartilage, lips eyelids etc, from the bones. the person I was talking to said they can get a good idea of these tissues from the shape of the bone, although I am not so sure I believe that. They did say though that there are definite differences , such as the lack of a nasal damn and a wide nasal opening for blacks. The face slop is also different as well as the width of the head.

          • kikz2

            differences in skull thicknes/shape, and brow ridge….. i’d imagine that those perfect/white african teeth are not exactly an evolutionarily last second detail either……

      • FeuerSalamander

        You can tell a person’s race from just the teeth.The facts of anthropology are that there are distinct physical differences between the races. The bones are definitely different. The DNA is different. This “student’ should sue the college for fraud.

  • HJ11

    My sound wasn’t good, so I only listened to a little of the podcast, however, I know from the title above that it must have touched on things I’ve written about for years, i.e. that evolution among Whites has been and continues to be relatively rapid, with lots of variations.

    It is also following the fundamental processes of evolution in that it happens mainly among smallish isolated groups where there is no gene flow from outside.

    So, what does this mean for Whites? It speaks to the importance of us having White colonies isolated from other races and with only minimal contact with other White colonies. In this way, we will survive the massive attacks of non-White genes and SOME Whites will become the new Adams and Eves of all future Whites.

    • FeuerSalamander

      This is not EVOLUTION! Evolution is the change from one species to another. This is just breeding, adaptation. NOT evolution!

      • HJ11

        Look up the definition of evolution and you’ll see that I’m right. But of course, evolution also does include more major changes, but they barring a major jump, the major changes often come from the cumulative effect of many small incremental changes. This isn’t a matter of opinion. It’s simple science.

  • Berkeley Guy

    I have tried in previous posts to point readers toward emotional intelligence. I believe that one can be very intelligent within both spheres of natural languages and mathematics. One can be very bright when reasoning in a spatial manner. But despite having all these traits, one can still be a psychopath or a sociopath, neither of which will be–in general–good for either a corporation or a society. Reflecting on how to respond to one’s own negative feelings of being threatened or confronted may be more important than mathematical reasoning. You can always pick up a calculus book and start practicing, but I argue that changing your emotional reactions toward perceived threats is more difficult than learning any math.

  • none of your business

    How dare you call yourself a fellow White gentile englemann? To you, we are the goyim, which is defined as “2 legged beast, filth, an abomination.” Do you have any idea what the true meaning of gentile is englemann? It just means people. As for the Ashenkanazi jews you are always writing about, the average IQ of israel is 90 or 95 depending on which chart you use. If you knew much about jewish history, you would know that 100 years ago he Sephardic jews were considered the superior jews by jews themselves. 100 years ago German jews called themselves German jews to distinguish themselves from the Russian and Polish jews they despised as backward peasants and peddlers. Now you claim all jews of European origin are the Ashenkanazi genius jews.
    As far as the question of IQ goes, we lost that argument with the 1968 civil rights act and subsequent affirmative action judicial rulings and the joint efforts of the DOJ, EEOC, equivalent state agencies and the rest of the affirmative action machine. When university presidents loudly proclaim that they are proud to accept the dumbest of the dumb and MSNBC has a commentator who is well known to be unable to read the teleprompter
    (sharpton) we have lost the IQ argument. We lost it 46 years ago.

  • none of your business

    Someone commented that IQ is beside the point, we want to live among our own kind end of story. Living among our own kind is good, but what we urgently need is to take back our civil rights. The united states civil rights commission has stated many times that the 14th amendment does not apply to Whites. We are banned from goverment jobs. We are banned from the well paid administrative jobs in public education while condemned to classroom teaching of vicious thugs where we are in danger every moment and subject to horrendous abuse every minute. Teachers in just 20 percent black schools must end up deaf from 20 or 30 years of listening to their howling, yowling and screeching.

    First and foremost the discrimination against Whites should end. I don’t think that will happen despite the recent Supreme Court victory in Graatz vs university of Michegan.
    We’ve had victories before such as Prop 209 in California. It was never enforced and racial discrimination against Whites went on as before in every state and local job, the private sector and college admissions.

  • Garrett Brown

    More pod casts like this please!

  • Garrett Brown

    Just a side note, you will most likely need headphones as the host is quiet for some reason on his end that needs addressing. Jared and John are perfectly understandable.

  • Geo1metric

    I speak only for myself. I am not a White supremacist, therefore I am indifferent about which race has an IQ higher than another.

    That in no way implies that I am an “IQ-denier”. How can one “deny IQ? Stupid thought.

    That Whites have sufficient IQ to produce the most comfortable societies in existent is undeniable.

    That others destroy those societies given the chance is also undeniable.

    That we want to avoid those kinds of people is also undeniable.

  • Geo1metric

    Do what you want.

    ” I want to shun lower class and lower middle class people of all races and I will proceed to do so whether you like it or not.”

    You sound like a thoroughly lower class person.

  • Geo1metric

    “… aka the Wrong Kind of White People.”

    Please enlighten us “proles” as to the criteria for being “the Wrong Kind of White People”?

    “Upper middle class” people would have better manners than to write the ridiculous things you have just written.

  • Geo1metric

    You sound like J.E. Are you?

  • Geo1metric

    Your ignorance is astounding! You sound like J.E. Are you?

  • JohnEngelman

    Falsehoods do not become truths through repetition.

  • JohnEngelman

    The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.

    – Eric Hoffer

  • Matthew Jones

    I could not care less about what that race-mixer Derbyshire has to say. And I’m sick of the adulation lavished on him by supposed white nationalists.

    Derbyshire is a doddering eccentric english outcast of weird sexual habits. His children look like Kazakhs or Uzbeks. Yet he has the ‘chutzpah’ to call them ‘American’, and his son is a serving in the army.

    Sorry ‘darb’ – the label ‘American’ is reserved exclusively for someone who looks like Clint Eastwood – not Genghis Khan. The most constructive thing ‘Darb’ could do is put his squawking, manky missus on a boat, together with his kids and return to china.

  • RealisticGuy

    I don’t know what you mean by “racist”, care to make yourself more clear?

    As for “But don’t turn around and criticise people of high social status of being elitist.” this. I’m not at all sure what your point is here. And I don’t think Engelman is of “high social status”. He seems pretty low class to me.

  • Antidrastikos

    This is true; WNs need to grow up.

    Part of this entails pondering how to coexist with Orientals and Jews — intellectual contortions and artifices designed to “refute” the self-evident superiority of the latter two in several spheres of (civilised) life won’t do.

    Realism!