New Vistas for American Renaissance

Richard Spencer, Radix Journal, May 8, 2014

For more than 20 years, American Renaissance and Jared Taylor have set the standard for a White consciousness movement. Others have undertaken this mission: William Pierce, Revilo Oliver, Willis Carto, among them. But Jared has been most successful in adhering to the norms of modern political organization. AmRen has, for two decades, focused on a few key issues that are (or should be) harmonious with “American values”: free association, the legitimacy of group interests, and the scientific study of genetic differences.

Jared has also avoided the obsessions and crankiness that have, unfortunately, characterized much of American racialism.  (I have long been under the impression that many in alternative or dissident movements like to indulge in their own marginalization, perhaps out of a desire to shock for shock’s sake, or as a preemptive excuse for failures in life.)  With Jared and AmRen, there is a certain radicalness in mainstreaming, in presenting ideas that have world-changing consequences in packages that seem mellow and respectable.

American Renaissance’s 2014 conference took place just outside Nashville, Tennessee, in comfortable Montgomery Bell State Park.  It marked the 20th anniversary of AmRen events, a fact that was mentioned only briefly by Jared, perhaps not wanting to dwell on the past. Fittingly, the conference marked a certain milestone.

This had something to do with the contingent of scruffy leftists that protested for an hour or so on Saturday afternoon. It was hard not to chuckle at their signs, which sported crudely drawn swastikas, and their chants, which were a mixture of vague physical threats, vague Marxism, and vague demands for liberal tolerance. Nevertheless, their presence made the conference feel relevant and “real,” not merely academic.  (The Forces of Diversity were significantly fewer than last year, probably due to the fact that their previous protest failed to persuade state authorities to shut down the 2013 event.)

For me, the real milestone was the speeches themselves. Indeed, as I listened, I sensed that an evolution of sorts was taking place. The talks of Jack Donovan, RamZPaul, and John Morgan–as well as Alex Kurtagic’s speech in 2012 and my own in 2013–all presented racialism “in a different key.” Perhaps they even presented a reversal of some of the rhetoric that informed AmRen gatherings of the past two decades.

But I’m getting ahead of myself.

The scientists

Saturday morning began with the always entertaining John Derbyshire, the kind of man we all wish had been our professor in anthropology or the history of science in college.  But I’m afraid I wasn’t able to detect much of a through-line in this year’s presentation. It struck me as wandering romp through Chinese history. Interesting at times, but never necessary.

The next speaker, Douglas Whitman, who presented on the biological reality of race, was a revelation.  Whitman’s talk was stimulating, sensible, and generous (though he did twice refer to “those slimy Marxists!”). The revelation was Whitman himself. He struck me as the kind of man, Henry Harpending is another, who could be of tremendous value to our movement. He possesses academic authority (he’s a professor at Illinois State University); he clearly cares about his race and civilization; and he is a “happy warrior.”  He also gave us a great slogan for a T-shirt: “Society is a racial construct.”

The way of men

It was with Jack Donovan’s talk that the “evolution” was in full effect.  It’s worth noting that Jack Donovan has never identified himself as a “racialist,” “White nationalist,” or “White advocate”; and he is more often attacked as a “self-hating homosexual” or a “misogynist.” Certainly, much about his personal history has rubbed fundamentalists the wrong way . . . But even the most truculent paleoconservative would struggle to deny that Jack’s talk was insightful and masterfully composed.

One dominant mode of thought in American racialism, and AmRen in particular, is that Blacks and Third World immigrants are “unassimilable” and, if they are present in large numbers, would destroy American society as we know it.  This is certainly true. But such a view fails to help us understand why our current demographic disaster is happening and why Whites are so incapable of resisting it.  Jack suggests that the problem is not simply “foreigners” but the very structure of American life–and how this has been psychically internalized by White people. The modern American White man is a “free agent”: a man who has little loyalty to his place, friends, co-workers, and likely has never met his neighbors. (We can all see a little bit of ourselves in Jack’s description.)

Loyalty limits your options. Loyalty to no one opens your options.  You become a mercenary . . . . ‘Discrimination’ becomes a dirty word . . . not because it is evil, but primarily because it is unprofitable.

Jack argues that White dispossession is predicated on Whites’ own embrace of the mentality of the consumer, the careerist, and the money-accumulator. His indictment is thus not simply of “socialism” (the perennial bogeyman of the American Right) but “capitalism,” or more precisely “capitalist man.”  And it is capitalism–debt, shopping, buying and selling–that has become the American elite’s favored form of social organization. As Jack states, “Hopeless people without dreams”–without identity, without a history, and without a future–“are easy to control.”

In a moving coda, Jack observed that the ultimate outcome of American meaninglessness is not just the obsessed shopper and salesman but the hipster and SWiPL.  These are people whose identity is irony, whose dress, language, and tastes are in sarcastic quotation marks. (Imagine a smirking hipster sporting a lumberjack beard, drinking a Pabst Blue Ribbon beer, wearing ‘80s Rayban knockoffs, and a T-shirt featuring an Atari game from his childhood.)

Contemporary racialism certainly has its share of ironists, those whose activism amounts to gawking at the latest Black-on-White criminal outrage or debating the best way to pick up unstable women at bars. Jack proffers radical “sincerity” as the alternative. Leftists of the last century discriminated between the armchair Marxist and the writer who was “committed” (“engagé”) to revolution. We should do the same.

Life as a white minority

Jack was followed by three speakers who reported on White racialism in other lands. The first was Philip Craik, who discussed the community of Orania on South Africa’s northern Cape. Orania is an enclave that is exclusively for the Boer people, the “White Tribe” of Dutch Protestants who trekked through Africa and settled in its southern region in the 17th century. Orania represents a distinctively post-Apartheid survival strategy for Boers: it is a secure community that is semi-sovereign and could be compared to a state or municipal government in America: its restrictions are something like citizenship, and it governs and regulates construction and economic activity.

Orania “just works”: the entrepreneurs who created it turned an abandoned settlement into a thriving farming town. But at the end of the day, Orania remains under the dominion of the South African government, and thus the African National Congress. I was surely not the only one who imagined that little Orania might be too tempting a prize for the ANC to seize and plunder if the opportunity arose. I was also surely not the only one who wished that Craik had spent less time recounting the history of the Boers and showing us an Orania promotional video, both of which we could have found online, and instead talked about various survival strategies for Whites as racial minorities.

Nationalism and beyond

Next came John Morgan, a “citizen of the world” in the best sense of the term: John is an American who created a Euro-centric publishing firm, Arktos Media, which was based in India and now operates out of Hungary. Last winter, John had the opportunity to speak to protestors–and ultimately revolutionaries–from Ukraine’s Euromaidan movement to remove Victor Yanukovych from power. Whatever one might think about Maidan, the Right Sector, and Svoboda–I must admit that I am not sympathetic–John had a chance to become, in a small way, a part of history; and the Traditionalism (with a capital T) that Arktos advocates became a part of history, too. As John relates, “The political struggle is an outward form of a cultural struggle.” As America is dominated by a religious culture that is “thoroughly corrupted by liberalism, thoroughly moronic, or both,” Morgan suggested that we look towards Eastern Europe as a source, or at least as a model, of authentic nationalism.

There were two things that were conspicuously absent in John’s talk. (Yes, I know it is unfair to criticize a speaker for what he did not say. ) The first was Russia, and in particular the development of the country over the past 25 years–from leading a “Communist” empire that was, to a large degree, an expression of traditional Russian imperialism to the humiliation of the 1990s and, most recently, to Russia’s reentering the geopolitical stage as the preeminent counterweight to U.S. hegemony. Surely this is more lasting and consequential than Ukrainian ethno-nationalism?

The second conspicuous absence was a discussion of the problems of nationalism in itself, especially as it has been expressed by groups like Right Sector. No doubt, most in the audience would concur that nationalism is a natural and healthy form of politics for all peoples. That said, modern racialism comes, as Sam Dickson noted in his talk, in the wake of extremely destructive and fratricidal forms of nationalism that arose throughout the 20th century (and, of course, much earlier). However deeply Right Sector might be influenced by Tradition, it is primarily motivated by passionate (and, to a degree, understandable) historical grudges against Russia (as an embodiment of the Soviet Union), Jews, and Germans. Could even the most hard-core fellow traveller really look forward to yet another violent conflagration between White people? Thus, one of our most important tasks–and one for which Traditionalism could be a great aid–is to form a cosmopolitan, that is, pan-European nationalism, an identity that stretches beyond ethnicity, tribe, religious sectarianism, and the disputes that have, from time to time, turned the continent into a slaughter bench. My sense is that in this all-important project, Ukrainian nationalists won’t be of much use.

After John, the English barrister and long-time nationalist advocate Adrian Davies chimed in about developments in Western Europe. Adrian is a talented orator, who can be concise and humorous while speaking extemporaneously. He was rather bullish on the prospects for European nationalist parties in the coming years. France’s Front National, for one, has not only survived the retirement of its long-time leader, Jean-Marie Le Pen, but has actually increased its popularity under his daughter, Marine. Adrian noted that the FN has been successful in finding a new constituency: the working class, which has certainly been affected by the flood of unskilled, Third World immigrants.

It’s worth noting that Radix’s Roman Bernard has been much more bearish on recent trends within the FN. In a podcast following FN’s recent electoral gains, Roman argued that the party hasn’t so much brought its ideals to the working class as it has begun to be defined by the outlook and tastes of this new constituency: this includes dropping the FN’s traditionalist character and even promoting non-White politicians.

Across the channel, British Nationalism is in turmoil. Much of this has to do the rise and fall of the British Nationalist Party: throughout the first decade of the 21st century, the BNP scored a series of electoral coups that seemed to many of us like breakthroughs. But as this decade began, major figures and factions within the BNP lost confidence in its leader, Nick Griffin. In 2013 a new competing party was formed, the British Democratic Party.1

One of the biggest beneficiaries of this disorder has been the United Kingdom Independence Party. UKIP’s platform is “Euro-skeptic” and libertarian, and the party’s identity has become intrinsically linked with its charismatic frontman, Nigel Farage. Beneath the façade, however, UKIP has succeeded by being the Party of general right-wing protest and unspoken racialism (as UKIP’s detractors correctly observe). In other words, much as in America, nationalist energies are being articulated through inherently liberal rhetoric. As Adrian argued,

UKIP is made up of people whose instincts are fundamentally sound . . . but they are still too obsessed with Anglo-Saxon concepts we need to put behind us: unlimited individualism, the great benefit of unfettered capitalism, etc.

Could UKIP be “co-opted” by the system? Adrian asked a higher-level question, “Can the establishment co-op UKIP and remain the establishment?” Unfortunately, my answer must be “yes.” In 2009, major establishment figures were genuinely disturbed by the Tea Party, which seemed to advocate something like anarcho-nationalism. Conventional Republicans were being reframed as radicals, or were being “dared” into making radical statements by populist forces. The governor of Texas, Rick Perry, went as far as voicing the potential of secession (!). In a short period of time, however, the Tea Party beoame a barely distinguishable wing of the GOP. (Perry now mostly talks about prison reform.)

Predictably, insurgent populist parties–UKIP, the Tea Party, the BNP, the Euroskeptics, und so weiter–ride a wave of negative social mood, but fail to articulate an end goal or real alternative to the current order. UKIP’s guiding fantasy appears to be the good ol’ days of Margaret Thatcher, that is, an earlier stage of liberalism and racial decline. The ability of the established order to absorb such energies should not be underestimated.

Counter revolution

After our group enjoyed a steak dinner, we were treated to a lecture on the so-called “Dark Enlightenment” by noted YouTuber “RamZPaul.” “Comedic stylings” is probably a better term than lecture, or perhaps “serious comedy.” RamZPaul has the rare gift of timing, and the ability to deliver a joke in a deceptively bumbling manner, à la Bill Murray.

The Dark Enlightenment (which RamZ’s talk equated with “neo-reaction”) is a decisively “alt Right” phenomenon that doesn’t merely differ with policies of the mainstream Right–it opposes the root assumptions on which they are based. According to the DE, all flavors of the American political spectrum–from the Tea Party to Republicans to Democrats to leftists; from Richard Dawkins to Andrew Sullivan to Cliven Bundy–are all fundamentally liberal in nature. They may have passionate disagreements over style, the scope of government and the military, or the role of religion, but these are disagreements over means, not ends. They each hope to inaugurate a society organized by individual rights, the market, and a benign government, in which every person will pursue his or her chosen form of “happiness.” The entire American experiment–from the Declaration to legalized gay marriage–was a liberal disruption of the traditional order of God-Church/State-People. (Martin Luther, it could be said, was the first, though unintentional, “progressive.”)

I often find argumentation like this to shift between profound truth-telling to “all is lost!” fatalism to “I’m more right-wing than you!” geekiness. Perhaps any successful movement needs a little bit of each? Whatever one thinks about DE, the “take-away” is that race is not “everything”; it might not even be the most important thing; it could be that the racial crisis is a symptom of a deeper crisis at the heart of Occidental civilization that has persisted for centuries.

In the subsequent Q&A, I caused a bit of a stir by asking whether liberal universalism was predicated, not simply on Luther, but on Christian monotheism itself. Moreover, as Christianity loses sovereignty in the hearts and minds of European peoples, might this offer an opportunity to rethink our relationship with the “Other”: to view other cultures and races not as more souls/individuals to be converted to Christianity/integrated into democratic capitalism, but to see them as different peoples with their own pasts, destinies, and, indeed, gods. It became obvious that RamZ and many in the audience are not quite ready to follow me down this path . . . which is fine.

Can we handle the truth?

Sunday featured two speakers who have addressed each and every AmRen conference since 1994: Sam Dickson and, of course, Jared Taylor. The centerpiece of Jared’s talk was his claim that White people are not simply motivated by their material interests or greed or ethnocentrism; they possess a moral imagination. That is, they genuinely care about the suffering of others–other people in their race, other people of other races, and even animals and the natural world. This can be, in Jared’s estimation, a wonderful thing; it is a quintessentially White trait that is the basis of a civilization that values recognition and dignity. Jared’s urged us not to simply to view “liberals” as our enemies, but to speak to them honestly and in good faith.2

Sam Dickson closed the conference with a talk on the converse to cliché “truth will set you free”: lies will make you slave. Modern America–maybe the entire modern world–is in the grips of the lie of human equality. For any “conservative” who remains an equality-slave, he can ultimately conserve no great tradition, nor anything of value at all. The concept of race is ultimately that of an extended family, of a people that has interbred for millennia and that has a shared historical experience. If race is meaningless or fraudlent, then why not do away with nation and “family values” as well. If America is simply an accumulation of individuals from around the globe who believe in equality, then what right does one have to prevent any “potential American” from immigrating? Echoing his talk from NPI’s conference this fall, Sam suggests that America has, from its very beginnings, been slave to individualism and an anti-Europeanism that has obscured its racial identity.

As usual, I found myself resonating with Sam’s oration . . . but afterwards, I began to think that his central metaphor–“Lies will make you slave”–might have masked more than it revealed. Has the American racialist movement been empowered by the scientific study of racial differences? To a certain degree, yes. I have met individuals who have changed their minds as new evidence was presented to them. But such people are quite rare; they have the personality type of the free spirit, scientist, or revolutionary, who takes opinions regardless of their consequences. (I’m reminded of Martin Luther’s famous declaration, “Ich kann nicht anders!”)

But if the history of American racialism has taught us anything, it is that the truth has not set us free–and, furthermore, that truth is always molded, informed, and concealed by political power, social pressure, hopes, and wishful thinking. Martin Luther King Jr. was, from our perspective, never in possession of the “truth,” but he was set free by a “dream”–the idea that emancipating his people would be uplifting to all of humanity. This “dream” has remained powerful for decades, despite the mountains of IQ studies, crime statistics, and evolutionary theorizing put forth by our movement. I certainly don’t mean to say that these publications don’t have value–I’ve been involved in publishing a great many of them–but for us to build a movement and ultimately hold power, the ”truth” is insufficient. It’s fitting that in the second half of Sam’s talk, he discussed creating a master narrative of the White race, involving our connection to the ancients, the age of the cathedrals, and high culture of Europe. With stories like this, what we omit is as important as what we include.

Articulating racialism

Monarchy . . . the problems of Americanism and capitalism . . . race isn’t everything after all . . . the former Soviet bloc is healthier spiritually than the so-called “free world” . . .

What’s happening here?

Perhaps the best way to describe this “new key” for American Renaissance is that activists are finding–indeed, forced by events to find–new ways of articulating some of the basic principles of our movement: that race is real, that race matters, and that race is an indispensable component of any form of nationalism or traditionalism. For decades during the Cold War, racialism was articulated as “anti-Communism,” with the Soviet Union cast as a violent, egalitarian superpower. For AmRen, which was founded in the wake of the Cold War, racialism could be imagined as a wing of conservatism or libertarianism: if liberals were dedicated to violating free association and equalizing society, “race realists” could best understand the limits of state power. Each of these perspectives is valid, in its way, but as this year’s AmRen conference made clear, an exploration of new vistas is being undertaken. This is, to a large degree, generational, but not merely so. If the “alt Right”–or Dark Enlightenment or Reactionary-sphere or Manosphere or whatever–is to be successful, it must not merely be dissident; it must be necessary.

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  • This article deserves to be reread several times in order to grasp all of it. But it’s good that the movement is embracing more than just facts and logic, but that age old emotion called inspiration. We need to infuse our beliefs about society, race, economics, and the rest of it with the inspiring story of how the white race came to dominate the world and why that domination should continue. Because if it doesn’t continue, that’s certainly spells the end of civilization.

  • MekongDelta69

    Just keep adding AmRen‘s URL to every comment you post anywhere on the Net.

    • CourtneyfromAlabama

      I used to do a lot of internet activism. I learned that the most effective thing to do, much much more so than arguing with people, is leaving links to websites,…even if you are acting as if you agree with them.

      • Guest

        I’ve left a few like ‘ When the media refuses to tell the truth about black-on-white crime, expect people to turn to white racist sites like Amren.’

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      Don’t do that. This site is part of the problem. It makes us look bad. AR is not your ally and is not interested in truth. AR would rather censor people who challenge trolls and will protect that troll. If you are protecting a troll who wants White genocide and censoring others who don’t what good are you? AR is garbage. Post in the threads of the original articles. AR doesn’t care about telling the truth. Moderator, you need to go.

  • FeuerSalamander

    “The modern American White man is a “free agent”: a man who has little loyalty to his place, friends, co-workers, and likely has never met his neighbors.” ….

    It is interesting that a gay man was the one who pointed this out to us. Perhaps this is because this condition is MOST profound in the gay lifestyle where even most sexual encounters are anonymous, where gay men prefer that not even the exchange of words occur dying these encounters. When speaking of a group of people who have absolutely no loyalty to anyone and anything, then gays represent the most extreme of that condition.It is most likely that “gay liberation” occurred in the white races for this very reason. The “gay lifestyle” in it’s spirit of “free agency”, represents what white male’s value, while other cultures do not value it. White males may not like the specific behaviors of the gay lifestyle, but they like the “free agent” aspect of it.

    The problem for almost all gay males is that this lifestyle leaves them empty, without meaning, and they fill that void with ever greater amounts of anonymous, dangerous sex, ever escalating levels of fetishistic and dangerous games, ever escalating levels of drugs and alcohol and conflict amongst themselves, most become quite bitter as they get older . Good for Jack Donovan for finding a greater meaning for his life and a worthwhile struggle that connects him in a more meaningful way to other white males than his sexuality does. What most gay men never experience is REAL love between men, because that can only exits as a brotherly love, the kind soldiers have for each other.

    • Anon

      You really need to go out and meet some gay men and get to know them. Just like with blacks, too many people have this fantasy programmed into them as to what these people are like. One that only actual contact, and the incredible harm it does to you, is likely to dispel.
      Gays are not people. That is to say, there is nothing about them that is different than anyone else. They aren’t a real identity group. What they are is individuals engaged in foul and predatory behavior. It would be like talking about rapists and pedophiles as if that was simply who they were. As if rapists, as a group were somehow all related to one another and their behavior something society was only against because of bigotry. Quite frankly, most gays have a rapist and pedophile mentality…and act on it.
      You might want to reflect on that.

    • IstvanIN

      I believe there is much truth to what you say. I am not anti-gay, and believe it is inborn, and would never advocate mistreating gays, but I agree that, to a large degree, it is a dead end. Sadly too many people of my generation, baby boomers, have chosen this voluntarily. So many people my age have never married or have never had children. It is tragic and I feel bad for them. I find I frequently have more in common with younger people who have children because I can share the antics of my grandson with them than people my own age who, from their facial expressions, find me a bore.

      I do not advocate marriage and children for everyone, it isn’t right very every person, and single, childless can contribute to our society, think Michelangelo and DaVinci, but for most people marriage and children is not only our main contribution to society, but to ourselves.

      • FeuerSalamander

        Very few of the great artists ever had families. I think this is more for the reasons that women( especially now with the idea of romantic love) demand to be the center of a man’s world. Artists are also right brained, and speaking from personal experience, the chatter of women, and much of their behavior is not tolerable to the mind of an artist. To be a good artist, one has to see things objectively, and this means one often becomes very blunt. The feelings that an artist imbues in his works are beyond the more simple emotions. One can think like an artist, but when interacting with women, one can not be blunt, it is two opposite ways of operating.

        • IstvanIN

          When you wrote “blunt” for some reason Nicola Tesla sprang to mind. Not an artist, but a brilliant, though odd man who could not abide women. It takes all kinds.

        • Pelagian

          I dont see where they burned people in Savonarola’s Bonfire of the Vanities, according to the Wiki article on same.

          Failing to embrace Savonarola, says E Michael Jones, was the church’s missed opportunity to reform itself. Usury and Sodomy are linked.

          • IstvanIN

            Usury and Sodomy are linked.
            Most bankers are gay? Or most bankers commit sodomy? Or both? Never heard that one before!

          • Pelagian

            both are sterile yet mock fertility.

          • Pelagian

            Then of course there is Dante (I am sure you have heard that name before), who had sodomites and usurers in the same circle of hell.

            Dante, Aristotle, the church fathers, Martin Luther … we are basically repealing the entirety of Western Civilization when we go apoplectic with praise for Michael Sam’s gay kiss. Here is Mark Shea’s recent elucidation of this connection.

            One of the
            interesting and unexpected connections Dante makes in his Inferno is that he
            links the sin of sodomy with the sin of usury. Don’t see the connection? That’s
            understandable. You live in a civilization that no longer has a big problem
            with either. However, Dante’s thinking is this: He regards human activity as
            oriented toward fruitfulness that must spring from only two sources: Nature and
            Art. So, for Dante, a man is legitimately wealthy if he, say, grows a crop and
            sells it or makes a hat (or a poem) and sells them. Likewise, in the sexual
            realm, he is simply an ordinary orthodox Catholic who thinks that sex has the
            natural ends of union between husband and wife and the getting of children.
            That’s what it is for, just as eating is for the twin ends of nutrition and
            conviviality. So sexual acts, whether contraceptive or homosexual are “dead”
            acts that lead to no fruitfulness.

            Okey doke,
            but what does that have to do with usury?

            Well, for
            Dante, since fruitfulness can only proceed from Nature or Art (or, as we would
            say today, “raw natural resources and manufacture of goods and services”), it
            follows that mere chicanery by which dead gold or silver are made to “breed” by
            manipulation of interest rates by those who lend at interest is another form of
            perversion. So he links the sins of sodomy and usury. Both ignore Nature and
            both are forms of fruitfulness perverted to sterility and the attempt to
            “breed” something unnaturally.

    • Pelagian

      Excellent points, well-made. Although I veer back and forth between thinking there is entirely too much time spent ruminating about what is after all, a horrible perversion that you would not wish on your worst enemy, … and thinking that there is a mystical significance to the whole thing.

      I will say that if the climate were better (and the Church were better), the latter could perform some very useful soul-doctoring on the homosexual himself. Homosexual tendencies seem to me to be God’s way of saying, “you have had something very horrible in your life happen that you need to come to grips with before you can grow spiritually again”.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Excellent analysis of the psychology of gay men. I’ve always been repulsed by homosexuality. It violates the common sense ways of nature, just as miscegenation does. I believe that most homosexuals are people who were sexually molested or abused at some point.

  • Alexandra1973

    I may disagree with a person’s lifestyle, but if they tell the truth I’m all ears.

    • Anna Tree

      I hear him about capitalism, but I wonder if he is not talking about consumerism.

      I think it is consumerism that is a liberal leftist dogma (with multi-culturalism, multi-racialism etc): Consumerism is a slavery of the masses. The top elites selling their things, need slaves, a lot of slaves, always more slaves to buy their things, because they always want more money, not that they really need it, just for ego of numbers, a la Uncle Scrooge (Donald Duck’s uncle). And that means bringing immigrants because the whites started to prefer to spend their money to buy things over spending it on having kids, so the elites are importing more buyers.

      Consumerism brings many of the (white) inventors and engineers to create things that are on purpose breaking easily or made to work for a limited period of time, so not to keep for centuries/decades/years (depending on the things) like in the past, but are made to be thrown quickly (adding to the landfill), so buyers have to buy new stuff, over and over, filling the pockets of those elites, while emptying theirs.

      It is a pity also to put the work/energy/creativity/ingeniosity of our race brains on not efficient things. On the contrary, our ancestors took pride that their creations would last… Even our doctors focus on drugs instead of on cures…

      • CuriousQuisling

        Consumerism is to culture what multiculturism is to ideology and I guess to some degree Monotheism is to spirituality. It is the attempt to put one stamp on everything, it actually is the opposite to true diversity. And that is an interesting concept to ponder. Multiculturalism and diversity cannot coexist.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        When European immigrants were coming to America en masse, we had skilled craftsmen and artists who took their time to create a quality product. Now we have chintzy junk from Asia. There is no elegance or panache anymore. A 1965 Ford LTD had elegance and panache, and assembly quality on par with Europe’s best autos. There were also few Negroes working in Detroit at that point. By the late 70’s, Detroit was producing chintzy, gaudy junk with shoddy assembly quality. No surprise the assembly quality was so poor, as so many Negroes had been hired into the plants.

        • Anna Tree

          And for proof, all the recalls, due to so many incidents and accidents…

    • Anna Tree

      It is easier for homosexuals to criticize homosexuality, notably adoption or marriage of homosexuals, or even in this case, the decline of white civilization.

      The same way that it is easier for me to critizice white women or criticize the lewd behavior of female students in universities, because I am a woman. The same way it is easier for a black to attack illegal immigration or affirmative action or even praise whites. The same way it is easier for Ayaan Hirsi Ali, the Somalian ex-muslim woman, to denounce islam and muslims. The same way it is easier to talk about racialism and differences between the races by pointing to Jews and Asians.

      Indeed it is a pity (and wrong, crazy, illogic and dangerous) but this is what political correctness has dragged us to.
      The truth nowadays, needs a shield…

  • Here’s the most disagreeable part of this:

    Thus, one of our most important tasks–and one for which Traditionalism could be a great aid–is to form a cosmopolitan, that is, pan-European nationalism, an identity that stretches beyond ethnicity, tribe, religious sectarianism, and the disputes that have, from time to time, turned the continent into a slaughter bench

    I do not see “pan-European” (i.e. white) nationalism ever being a successful political movement that can make deep inroads into public consciousness and approval, because most white people want something more than just “white” to grasp onto. However, that does not mean that the various white ethnonationalist movements will necessarily have to be at war with each other just because they don’t try to cast a net over the entire white world.

    One of the most agreeable parts of this:

    But if the history of American racialism has taught us anything, it is that the truth has not set us free–and, furthermore, that truth is always molded, informed, and concealed by political power, social pressure, hopes, and wishful thinking. Martin Luther King Jr. was, from our perspective, never in possession of the “truth,” but he was set free by a “dream”–the idea that emancipating his people would be uplifting to all of humanity. This
    “dream” has remained powerful for decades, despite the mountains of IQ studies, crime statistics, and evolutionary theorizing put forth by our movement. I certainly don’t mean to say that these publications don’t have value–I’ve been involved in publishing a great many of them–but for us to build a movement and ultimately hold power, the ”truth” is insufficient.

    I have never been big on this mentality of the “power of ideas.” Ideas don’t have power, they’re just words on paper or abstractions in the minds of human beings. However, powerful people have ideas. That was one of the constant themes of Sam Francis’s life of writings, that powerful people will promulgate ideas which benefit them. Therefore, ideas only have power in so far as powerful people patronize them. The whole might-makes-right axiom at work.

    • Guest

      =i==

    • Anon

      I would like to add that a big part of the problem is there is no such thing as “white people”. The term “white” is largely a function of our acceptance of de-racination and ethnic cleansing. It is the pre-cursor to diversity and multi-culturalism. It’s what we have left to us after losing a race war. Hitler did not almost topple jewish supremacism masquerading as “communism” because we was “white”. He came close because he was GERMAN. More to the point, he gave germans a racial (Aryan) identity instead of a national one. National identities are weak (as the soviets and now Americans have learned the hard way). Racial ones are strong. The white racial identity is a construct made up by those who want us all dead. It is intentionally weak. The same exact people who would deny they are white are pretty quick to correct you if you suggest they are not, French, Italian, polish, german, etc.
      I’m no sure what a solution to this would be. If I was…well….you’d all probably be saluting me, lol.

      • Andross

        Explain how “African-Americans”, “Asian-Americans”, “jewish Americans”, etc etc can pull off achieving solidarity whereas being collectively European is somehow weak? I think white Americans pretty much have no option at all other than to identify as European derived people with common interests.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          For an example of White Group with solidarity, look no further than the Amish. They have a strong tribal mentality, take care of their own, and see that rest of us as “the English”. There are no identity issues among the Amish.

          • Andross

            That is a good observation. There are implicitly white religious communities that are very cohesive. The Mormons seem to be very successful in that direction.

    • Tarczan

      But if all of the whites in the US came to accept the idea that race differences are real, the country would change overnight.

    • Andy

      I do not see “pan-European” (i.e. white) nationalism ever being a successful political movement that can make deep inroads into public consciousness and approval, because most white people want something more than just “white” to grasp onto. However, that does not mean that the various white ethnonationalist movements will necessarily have to be at war with each other just because they don’t try to cast a net over the entire white world.

      _______________________________________________

      I would use our common history, in addition to our genes, to try to keep the peoples of Europe on the same side. Most of us were once Aryans, and even Finns and Basques have some Aryan heritage. It’s a loaded term, even on the far-right, but that’s what they called themselves and that’s who they were, and to some extent that’s who we are. Emphasizing what we have in common, and learning about the way it developed into different traditions, might help keep us off our brothers’ throats.

    • CaptainCroMag

      Many that talk of White nationalism don’t seem to understand the differences that exist between the various European subgroups. We can’t all be mashed together. Our differences are not merely cultural; they are bred into us.

      I am of Norman descent. I feel the strongest affinity towards other Germanic people. I think the culture of Greece is alright, but I don’t want to live among Greeks. They are not my people. A movement for a Germanic nation is something that I could get behind. White nationalism is not something that stirs my soul.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Well said. I hate it when Whites say they are American when asked about their heritage. These are the types who have no culture. We need to be aware of our roots, and to live those roots. Those of us who had forebears who came after the Civil War are pretty good about this.

  • JohnEngelman

    Jared has also avoided the obsessions and crankiness that have, unfortunately, characterized much of American racialism. (I have long been under the impression that many in alternative or dissident movements like to indulge in their own marginalization, perhaps out of a desire to shock for shock’s sake, or as a preemptive excuse for failures in life.) With Jared and AmRen, there is a certain radicalness in mainstreaming, in presenting ideas that have world-changing consequences in packages that seem mellow and respectable…

    One dominant mode of thought in American racialism, and AmRen in particular, is that Blacks and Third World immigrants are “unassimilable” and, if they are present in large numbers, would destroy American society as we know it.

    – Richard Spencer, Radix Journal, May 8, 2014

    Jared Taylor and those he invites to American Renaissance conferences deserve more circulation for their ideas than they receive.

    Unfortunately, it is true that the American Renaissance website attracts a few posters who resent the superior intelligence, performance, and prosperity of Jews and Orientals because of “failures in life.”

    While third world peoples have difficulty assimilating in the United States, Jews and Orientals have always tended to perform and behave well in the United States.

    • oddball1776

      the American Renaissance website attracts a few posters who resent the superior intelligence, performance, and prosperity of Jews and Orientals because of “failures in life.”

      In terms of immigrants the US attracts the best of the best – and rightly so too.

      In my city, at the far western tip of England, our Jews are shopkeepers and market stall holders. The synagogue is broke, they can’t even afford their own Rabbi, and the Chinese/Orientals here are peasant tier in every way.

      My region is a well run, beautiful, prosperous 98% White paradise.

      I find it rather odd that you are allowed to continue your attempts at demoralisation on this website. Not that you are effective or successful in any way, but it’s just not cricket old bean.

      Why don’t you get lost, eh? There’s a good chap.

      • JohnEngelman

        Popular opinion has held that European Jews were smart for a long time. At the turn of the century in London, for example, Jews took a disproportionate share of prizes and awards in the school system.

        – Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending, from “The 10,000 Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human Evolution,” Chapter 7, “Medieval Evolution: How the Ashkenazi Jews Got their Smarts,” page 188.

        • oddball1776

          My interest is in the well being and prosperity of my people, and my extended European/US family.

          The Ashkenazi ‘Jew’ is a boil on the arse of mankind.

          His interests are not mine. His fate and fortune are not my concern.

          This is a rare and precious place. It is ours.

          Is there nowhere on this planet, cyberspace, field, mountain, valley – where we cannot congregate and talk in peace and solitude amongst ourselves?

          What is wrong with you all? You all claim to despise us, yet it seems we will we have to colonise the moon to find solace.

          Leave us the hell alone.

          Douchebag.

          (Pic related: seriously USA, build another damn space rocket already !!)

        • FeuerSalamander

          no, in the early 20th century, the IQ of jews immigrating to the US was lower than non jews

          • JohnEngelman

            That delusion was introduced by Steven J. Gould.

          • FeuerSalamander

            you are the deluded one. You take a couple IQ tests where the sample size is less than 15 and paint thesis results as indicative of the whole jewish people. Face it, your whole thesis is based on lies and deception.

          • JohnEngelman

            Ashkenazi Jews have the highest IQ of any ethnic group known. They average around 112-115, well above the European norm of 100…

            Their numbers among prominent scientists are roughly ten times greater than you’d expect from their share of the population in the United States and Europe. Over the past two generations they have won more than a quarter of all Nobel science prizes, although they make up less than one-six-hundredth of the world’s population. Although they represent less than 3 percent of the U.S. population they son 27 percent of the U.S. Nobel prizes in science…

            American Jews are also over represented in other areas, such as business (where they account for about a fifth of CEOs) and academia (where they make up about 22 percent of Ivy league students).

            – Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending, from “The 10,000

            Year Explosion: How Civilization Accelerated Human
            Evolution,” Chapter 7: “Medieval Evolution: How the Ashkenazi Jews Got Their Smarts,” pages 188, 189, 190.

            ———-

            Richard Lynn, The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement, Washington Summit Publishers, 2011, 408 pp. soft cover $39.00, hard cover $60.00.

            Prof. Lynn writes:

            [Jews] arrived as penniless refugees unable to speak the languages of their new countries; they were the “huddled masses” from the most backward region of Europe. Yet by the middle decades of the 20th century, the children and grandchildren of these immigrants were doing far better than their Gentile hosts on all indices of socioeconomic status and earnings and outperforming them by several orders of magnitude in obtaining elite academic distinction . .

            The development of IQ tests confirmed the impression that Jews were unusually intelligent, and Professor Lynn’s extensive review of the literature indicates that Jews in the US have an average IQ of 110 compared to 100 for other Europeans. This would help account for their outstanding
            performance in a variety of fields. Though Jews are only about 0.2 percent of the world population, half the world’s chess grandmasters, for example, and 16 percent of Nobel Prize winners for science have been Jews. For Professor Lynn,
            the purpose of his book “is to document and explain such achievements.”

            – Byron M. Roth, American Renaissance, November 2011

          • FeuerSalamander

            you can repeat lies and deceptions, it does not give them more credence. Those high figures are based on a small number of tests, like ONE or TWO. The sample sizes tested in those one or two tests numbered no more than 15 individuals and were taken from schools that separated men from women, so that only men were tested. Nice trick. If only white males from good private schools were tested, then I dare say the result would be a 130 average IQ

          • JohnEngelman

            When have I lied about anything? The biological superiority of the Ashkenazim is too well attested to by two many sources to be doubted by anyone but a hate filled fool.

          • FeuerSalamander

            your sources are not credible. You sound like a global warmist. Those who disagree are evil haters I guess.

          • JohnEngelman

            Why is it that I am so frequently able to document my assertions using material I have found on American Renaissance?

            My favorite source for documenting that Orientals have higher average IQ’s than whites, and lower rates of crime and illegitimacy is J. Philippe Rushton, who spoke at six American Renaissance conferences.

            I like to quote Richard Lynn, who has also spoken at American Renaissance conferences.

            When pointing out that Democratic presidents have usually been better stewards of the U.S. economy I am able to quote The Wall Street Journal.

            So, how are my sources not credible?

          • oddball1776

            It’s that you are so enthusiastically keen to use them repeatedly on a pro-White website that engenders such hostility.

            Do you not think that Whites are under enough of an emotional, psychological assault already?

            Do you read the articles that the Amren team post for us?

            Do you have any understanding at all as to why we are here?

            Would a Muslim supremacist be welcome to preach out loud during a Saturday service in a synagogue?

            Would an Irish Catholic be welcome to sing the praises of the IRA in a Protestant pub in Belfast on a Friday night?

            It is a question of honour, integrity, intent, friendship and just outright decency.

            About your qualities and character as a man. As a potential ally and companion.

            You slither around this website like a snake.

            You have no honour sir.

          • JohnEngelman

            Do you read the articles that the Amren team post for us?

            – oddball1776

            I have written an essay that appeared on American Renaissance. I frequently submit news stories that appear here.

          • oddball1776

            That’s fantastic.

            Hey, you could write an article about how frauds, imposters and charlatans could, potentially, infiltrate any pro-White organisation that we set up and slowly work to undermine it from within.

            You could write about that possibility, using your great wisdom and experience, and how we could defend against it.

            Yes, that would make for a very interesting article I think.

            Just an idea for you there Mr Engleman.

            You’re welcome.

          • JohnEngelman

            You don’t own this website. Jared Taylor does.

          • FeuerSalamander

            You make him look like a misguided man with weaknesses that will hamper any effectiveness he may have had

          • FeuerSalamander

            You mean like “Neville Chamberlain”? Yes, that Winston Churchill was not considered a gentleman. People on here say basically the same thing JT says, but I guess you know when to be a sycophant.

          • oddball1776

            That’s very brave of you to re-edit your posts to attack me knowing full well that if I try and defend myself my posts will get removed.

            You are the lowest of the low Engleman.

            Your deceptive manipulation of deleted posts is outrageous – and the mods here are defending you whilst you do it.

            You disgust me.

            Sad, sad little man.

          • FeuerSalamander

            it was junk science, conjecture

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I remember your article John. You picked a very ineresting topic, and your article was well written. I’m not totally convinced that a violent streak had been genetically filtered from certain populations by the more thuggish perishing on the battlefield, but that is why I enjoyed the article. The whole point of such articles is to catalyze debate and reflection.

          • JohnEngelman

            Do you have any understanding at all as to why we are here?

            – oddball1776

            Unfortunately, some posters access this website in order to confirm their prejudices. They want justification for their fear, hatred, and anger.

          • oddball1776

            We were talking about character, honour and integrity.

            And how some people lack those fine qualities.

            We were talking about friendship, decency and common courtesy.

            And how those traits relate to anybody that constantly attacks, insults and belittles White people.

          • JohnEngelman

            How do I attack, insult, and belittle white people? I only draw attention to the talent and achievements of Jews and Orientals. Doing so is perfectly consistent with the basic assertions of race realism.

          • oddball1776

            Who mentioned you?

            Wow, you’d think I’d hit a raw nerve there.

          • You denounce White gentiles as nothing but inferior, despite their immense impact on the world’s social and scientific evolution -including building societies that both the Oriental and the Jew ultimately prosper from. This kind of achievement is unparalleled to this very day by any other. In actual fact, unlike the Oriental, the Jew simply can not live and prosper – as he does – without western society hence the parasitism.

            You’re a supremacist Jew, not a White Nationalist. You don’t belong here.

          • JohnEngelman

            When have I denounced white Gentiles? Just because I acknowledge good qualities in other races does not mean that I have anything against my own.

            If I was Jewish I would not praise Jews as I do.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I do not think that you attack and belittle Whites. Ashkenazi Jews are Whites, as Jared Taylor accurately states. They are not only racially Caucasian, but culturally European. The culture of the European Shtetl is European to the core. To say Ashkenazi Jews are not White is saying that Freud and Einstein were not White. To say this is casting a grave insult at the entire European cultural legacy. As far the Asian issue, I find your desire for Asian/Caucasian large scale integration to be well intentioned, but to be first class naïveté. I am against Asian/Caucasian miscegenation because I want to see both White and Asian cultures remain unique and distinct. For this to occur, we need to maintain our racial purity. I have no desire to live in an Asian dominated land. Their cultures are characterized by lockstep conformity. This goes against our temperament as Whites, and our cultures, which value individualism.

          • JohnEngelman

            You and I have several different likes and dislikes. What you like, or what I like are not truths about the universe. They are facts about us.

            That is why, rather than explain what I like or want, I prefer to post debatable propositions that are dependent on the truth of factual assertions, and the validity of logical reasoning.

          • JohnEngelman

            Do you not think that Whites are under enough of an emotional, psychological assault already?

            – oddball1776

            Our economy is becoming increasingly competitive. That is not excuse for resenting Jews and Orientals.

          • oddball1776

            The question at hand was why you constantly promote Jews and Orientals yet denigrate Whites.

            On a pro-White website.

          • JohnEngelman

            Someone up there likes me.

          • Telling Whites how they should or should not feel while going through oppression, genocide, and tyranny, is nothing short of emotional abuse. Also, resentment is a natural part of the human being, so in essence, you’re telling Whites not to feel, but to numb and avoid, which result in symptoms of PTSD.

          • JohnEngelman

            Whites in the United States are not going through “oppression, genocide, and tyranny.” The economy is in trouble. It would be in trouble if the Republicans dominated the country. Most Americans lost ground economically when George W. Bush was president. Non whites are in trouble too.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            But you often only tell part of the story like stating that Asians are superior because they have more patients but you fail to mention things like R&D, Productivity, High Tech density, education, researcher concentration and many other factors. I agree that Koreans and Japanese have a slightly higher IQ then Northern Caucasians unless you consider Ashkenazi Jews as whom are mostly genetically Caucasian…

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            The evidence indicates that NE Asians have lower IQs than whites, not higher.

          • JohnEngelman

            All the credible evidence indicates that you are mistaken.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            On the contrary, all of the “credible” evidence indicates that whites have higher intelligence than NE Asians.

          • JohnEngelman

            On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores. Blacks are at the other pole. Whites fall in the middle, but closer to Orientals than to Blacks.

            – Professor J. Philippe Rushton, from RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR:
            http://psychology.uwo.ca/faculty/rushtonpdfs/race_evolution_behavior.pdf

            Professor Rushton spoke at six American Renaissance conferences.

            Richard Lynn also has also spoken at American Renaissance conferences. In his book Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations he estimates that the five countries with the highest IQ averages are Oriental.

            http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Lynn’s research on NE Asian IQ is deeply methodologically flawed. Rushton uncritically regurgitates Lynn’s findings. In The Learning Gap: Why Our Schools are Failing and What We Can Learn from Japanese and Chinese Education (1992), the psychologists H.W Stevenson and J.W. Stigler write:

            The claim that Japanese students are more
            intelligent than American students has been made by the Irish psychologist Richard Lynn, whose work was publicized several years ago in the cover story of a national magazine. Using American norms, Lynn computed Japanese children’s
            scores on a commonly used test of intelligence. On this scale, Japanese children’s average IQ was significantly above the American average. Lynn’s claims, if correct, would add greatly to our understanding of cultural differences in achievement, but as another publication has pointed out, they are wrong. Asian children may learn more during their school years, but their capacity – which is what intelligence tests measure – does not differ from that of American children.

            The fundamental flaw in Lynn’s report was his failure to
            consider two important variables: location of residence (urban versus rural) and socioeconomic status of the children’s families. One of the consistent findings since intelligence tests were devised nearly a century ago has been the large differences between IQ scores of city children and children living in remote
            villages, and between children from upper-income families and from disadvantaged homes. Lynn did not gather any of his information himself, but instead relied on the norms of the test that were published in the test manual. His choice was
            unfortunate. Because intelligence tests in Japan are primarily used in large cities, only urban children had been tested to establish the norms. Moreover, no attention had been paid to the necessity of selecting a representative sample of children from each Japanese city. The norms for the American test, by
            contrast, were based on a truly representative sample of urban and rural children of all socioeconomic levels.

            […]

            Contrary to what would be expected if cross-cultural differences in general intelligence could explain the striking differences in achievement, we found little overall difference in the levels of
            cognitive functioning of children across the three cultures. American children did not display lower intellectual abilities than Chinese and Japanese children.

          • JohnEngelman

            Quite apart from the findings of professors J. Philippe Rushton and Richard Lynn, the superior intelligence of Orientals is documented by the U.S. Department of Education, National Center for Education Statistics, and the OECD/PISA Study.

            According the the U.S Department of Education, since the school year of 1986 – 87 Orientals have reduced the gap with whites in SAT scores for reading, while they have increased the gap in mathematics.

            According to the OECD/PISA Study, students in South Korea and Japan out score students in all white countries in mathematics and science.

          • JohnEngelman
          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Caution should be exercised when using tests of academic performance as a proxy for innate general intelligence. Although there is a strong correlation between measures of cognitive ability and educational achievement, the latter is also significantly affected by non-g factors. As a result, OECD/PISA should not be equated with actual IQ data. Even one of Richard Lynn’s own sources, Deary et al. (2007), suggest that caution should be exercised when using educational achievement as a proxy for cognitive ability. These researchers write:

            There are various possible causes of the cognitive ability-educational achievement association. Bartels et al. (2002b) found a strong genetic correlation between cognitive ability (measured at 5, 7, 10, and 12 years) and educational achievement at age 12. In an overview, Petrill and Wilkerson (2000) concluded that genetics and shared and non-shared environmental factors all influence intelligence and education, with genetics being important in the correlation between them, and non-shared environment being important in discrepancies between intelligence and educational attainments.

            Whereas the correlations indicate that around 50% to 60% of the variance in GCSE [General Certificate of Secondary Education] examination points score can be statistically explained by the prior g [general intelligence] factor, by the same token a large proportion of the variance is not accounted for by g. Some of the remaining variance in GCSE scores will be measurement error, but some will be systematic. Thus, non-g factors have a substantial impact on educational attainment. These may include: school attendance and engagement; pupils’ personality traits, motivation and effort; the extent of parental support; and the provision of appropriate learning experiences, teaching quality, school ethos, and structure among other possible factors (Petrides, Chamorro-Premuzic, Frederickson, & Furnham, 2005; Strand, 2003).

          • JohnEngelman

            Where is that evidence?

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            This has already been posted. In Group Differences in Intelligence (2000), the psychologist John Loehlin writes:

            There is some dispute as to whether Asian Americans obtain higher average scores on IQ tests than European Americans or score at about the same level. Richard Lynn has estimated that the IQs of Asians in their native countries average around 106 but that those of Asian Americas might be a little lower (Lynn, 1991). In contrast, James Flynn has argued that many studies that have compared the test scores of various Asian-American samples with U.S. norms have involved an artifact, namely, they have failed to allow for the prevailing upward creep of IQ test performance over time (the so-called “Flynn effect”; Flynn 1984, 1996). When the results from studies using just Asian-American samples were adjusted for this effect and combined with those from studies in which both groups were simultaneously measured on the same tests, Flynn found little overall IQ difference between European and Asian Americans – perhaps a couple of IQ points in favor of European Americans (Flynn, 1991).

            […]

            There is also a large difference in how effectively Asian Americans and European Americans convert their cognitive skills into professional and occupational achievement (Weyl, 1969). Flynn estimated that Asian Americans tend to achieve at a level characteristic of European Americans with IQs 10 to 20 points higher. This is partly because a greater proportion of Asian Americans who are qualified for higher education in fact undertake it and partly due to their being able to succeed at lower ability levels by working harder (Flynn, 1991).

            According to the Coleman Report (1966), Oriental Americans are less intelligent than white Americans. When the report’s final scores were converted to an IQ metric, the average scores for groups of differing ancestry were:

            European
            Americans: Verbal: 102 Nonverbal: 102

            African
            Americans: Verbal: 85.5 Nonverbal: 85.9

            Oriental
            Americans: Verbal: 98.2 Nonverbal: 101.5

            Native
            Americans: Verbal: 88.9 Nonverbal: 95.0

          • David Ashton

            I notice that Engelman recites the same old stuff in the same old from his same old limited stock, whether right or wrong, and that comments in reply are regularly deleted. He talks about “biological superiority” in regard to IQ-tested brain function alone of all human biological characters, and glides over the statistical overlaps. He ignores questions of cultural tradition and allegiance, because he admits he is not at all a nationalist, white or anything else. Like the Bourbons, he learns nothing new (as indicated by your quotes, among many others, which he prefers not to read).

            As regards Jewish intellectual (average) superiority he has defined the Jews as a “religious” group. But non-religious Jews are included in the tests he cites, and especially religious Jewish groups seem less intelligent than others. Worth noting is that Jews have spearheaded the attack on IQ tests, genetic determination of intelligence, and “racial hierarchy” – e.g. the later Franz Boas, Ashley Montagu, Otto Klineberg, Stephen Gould, Leon Kamin, Richard Lewontin, Steven Rose, etc. Why is that?

          • JohnEngelman

            I keep posting the same facts because they remain facts. It is tiresome to keep pushing facts into narrow minds, but it needs to be done.

          • Laura Dilworth

            asians score equally to whites in reading, but higher in math

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            You are not credible little man.

          • oddball1776

            Why so angry Dude?

            Why such fear, such hatred?

            You are talking as though the friendly conversation we had last night has been modded into non-existence and replaced with carefully cherry picked replies to make all participants bar one look bad.

            Chill Dude my friend, nobody would ever stoop that low.

            No genuine pro-White patriot would ever do such a thing.

            Oh no sir.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            I like the cut of your jib buddy! I absolutely love Cornwall, I lived in England for a time while in school and as I have said that when my British brothers and sisters are ready to fight for Britannia I will be honored to come join you in fighting for the motherland. As you can see my avatar is my English family shield. God save the Queen! Our time will come to rid our lands of the filth and that will include many of the treasonous cretin of our own.

          • oddball1776

            Thanks Dude, and I yours.

            Interesting times over here. There is something of a resistance movement formenting.

            None of us know how this will pan out. This appears to be in many respects a land full of gutless cowards and traitors. Nothing we say gets through to them.

            They can’t see us dissolved into the third world quickly enough.

            And they will get their wish if we don’t find a way to stop them.

            Where did your family in England hail from Dude?

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Family name is North. They were from the north of England and were part of the Ulster Scots (even though they were English) that colonized Northern Ireland in the 1600s before coming out west and settling in Texas. I love learning more about the North family history. I think some of them were at Agincourt and our shield has a tribute to victories over the French. As I say, in both our nations our governments are obsessed with becoming third world hell holes. We need to destroy them before they can accomplish that. We need to stand and fight and never go off quietly into the night.

          • oddball1776

            our shield has a tribute to victories over the French

            It doesn’t get more English than that!

            Your family history sounds fascinating. All the blood, sweat and tears it took over centuries to get to here, just to see that all ripped down and destroyed within decades.

            I have to go pal, I’ll catch you later.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            We will prevail my friend. Yes there are a few fleur de lys surrounding the lion on the shield. English family shields with the fleur de lys on them signify victories over the French. I like to think my blood was operating a longbow at Agincourt! The history of England is a grand tale I am very proud of and I’ll be damned to see a bunch of lowly Pakis and North Africans destroy it. When the time comes we will take what is ours, what our ancestors worked so hard to create… in both the former US and the UK. Have a great day in your beautiful corner of the motherland brother.

          • JohnEngelman

            I thought you said you were leaving.

          • JohnEngelman

            Don’t let the door hit you on the way out.

            American Renaissance is a website where one can tell and read the truth about race realism.

          • FeuerSalamander

            you don’t document anything, you give worthless links to someone else’s opinion or junk science studies

          • JohnEngelman

            *sigh*

            Why do I have to repeat myself? Many of my sources come from this website.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            When I look at intelligence, I see a fascinating and multifaceted subject. Based on the Asians I’ve known, I see a very different kind of intelligence than ours. You see the assertions of The Bell Curve attested to, with a Mathematical and Factual type of intelligence being stronger than with us Caucasians. There are surely gifted Asian musicians such as cellist Yo Yo Ma, but musical genius seems indeed more rare than amongst us Caucasians. Turn to Ashkenazi genius, and the nature of the intelligence fits the Caucasian profile. Ashkenazi musical genius is ubiquitous in the classical music world, a world that is almost entirely Caucasian, with a smattering of Asians.

          • JohnEngelman

            There are different kinds of intelligence, but the different kinds correlate.

            The talent of blacks in popular music merits consideration.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Popularity and actual talent are not the same thing. Blacks have been promoted in popular music, but not due to their talent. The late Maurice Andre, for example, was one of the greatest trumpeters who has ever lived. The late Louis Armstrong, though more heavily promoted, was a mediocre trumpeter who was heavily promoted due to his Blackness, not the quality of his musicianship. The promotion of Negro music, loud and vexatious but lacking in nuance and quality, has been one of the key elements in the fall of Western Civilization. Kikey Jew producers are behind much of this, there is no doubt, but not Jewish musicians.

          • 1stworlder

            Yea even Martin Luther work in his book the financial scams they used. Oh wait how to scam is something even gypsies can learn.

          • IstvanIN

            Depends on what you mean by biological superiority. Physically most are shlubs.

          • FeuerSalamander

            you do realize that you have some sort of disorder, something like autism. You will never see your lies, you are too autistic, you can not handle the truth.

          • Garrett Brown

            That was my analysis as well. Engleman has autism. It would explain his extreme awkwardness and inexperience in normal conversation just on the Internet, even though he has had plenty of time to develope. Imagine what he is like in real life…

          • JohnEngelman

            Where is the evidence?

          • Israeli IQ is quite low, American Ashkenazi IQ is higher than ‘white’
            IQ but this includes southern europeans and north africans-central
            asians. Ron Unz suggests German American IQ is greater than Jewish American IQ, and IQ, which does not measure spatial reasoning, does not reveal deficiencies in their Phi Beta Kappa and National Merit performance. CalTech and MIT enrollment indicates Hillel networking cannot make you an engineer.

            In any case, intellectual contributions aside, I think most Americans , Jewish and Gentile alike, would like to see Hollywood, Madison Avenue, Wall Street, and the Tech scam bubble industries reformed from their criminal and immoral parasitism. It is this elite cultural contribution (cosmopolitan Judeo-Christian) which is violent and degenerate toward western culture– and one can hardly blame other ethnic communities (religious Jewish and Muslim, Asians and African American ) for this polymorphic perversity. Indeed these are the victims along with working and middle class white Gentiles in America.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Such High IQ’s Yet so few inventions come out of Israel but then again patients are just filing paperwork.
            I believe that genetically Ashkenazi Jews are mostly European…

          • 1stworlder

            Albert Einstein was only able to qualify for the lowest level clerk at the US patent office but he was able to steal ideas like few others.

          • FeuerSalamander

            Based on nothing but one or two tests, tell the whole story, tests of fifteen individual males taken from a jewish private school. Not a representational cross section by any means.

          • You’re just so pathetic.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Indeed. There is much jealousy, though, of Ashkenazi brilliance, as there is of any individual who is gifted. The Ashkenazi are a Caucasian subgroup, and creativity/artistic ability are intense, as among all Caucasians. Asians are smart, but they seem to be more technically minded than us, more gifted in science/math but noticeably lacking in our artistic ability.

          • FeuerSalamander

            So, if you don’t like a fact, then it is a delusion?

          • JohnEngelman

            Steven J. Gould built a career arguing that IQ differences between individuals and average differences between races are unimportant. That is a delusion.

          • BillMillerTime

            I don’t believe that that is true. Would you care to elaborate and provide evidence for your claim?

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Superior Ashkenazi genes are undoubtable. I’m an eighth German Jewish descent, a fourth Swedish, the rest German. The Ashkenazi branch of my family was very poor when they came to America, but very smart and talented. Nobody practiced Judaism once in America, but this side of the family is very gifted intellectually, and musically talented.

      • oddball1776

        My ancestors left this place centuries ago and through their blood, sweat and tears forged the most successful, prosperous and powerful nation that this world has ever seen.

        The nation whose people walked on the moon. The most beautiful, happy breed that have ever walked this earth.

        Only for that incredible legacy to be thrown away in a couple of decades by those that Engleman likes to call your “superiors”.

        Rise up my American friends. The blood and the spirit of our forefathers courses through us all.

        You are assailed on all sides by vicious, spiteful hate-filled enemies. Don’t listen to their lies. Their venom.

        Resist.

        • FeuerSalamander

          amren is controlled opposition, it is sad, but true, taylor is compromised, he sold us out so he can go on junkets to Turkey and rub shoulders with effete european degenerates.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          A little crotchety, eh oddball? Here is my version: Ashkenazi Jews are a Caucasian sub-group, like Slavs, Teutons, or Celts. Ashkenazim, as a group, are very gifted, but are Ashkenazi genes for intelligence superior to Slavic, Celtic, or Teutonic

      • FeuerSalamander

        He is allowed to continue his campaign because the white male waspish establishment has been feminized.

        • Mason Gull

          Or it could be that he posts what he thinks and doesn’t have any ulterior motives.

          • JohnEngelman

            My love is for the truth and for facts I can document. Many of these facts come from this website.

          • FeuerSalamander

            no your love is for your worldview based on your cherry picked lies.

          • FeuerSalamander

            More likely just a malcontent, a failure in his own life who can to stand to see something else, and others succeed.

          • JohnEngelman

            White supremacy is frequently the favored ideology of those who would rather direct their hostility at Jews and Orientals than acknowledge that in an increasingly competitive economy they have little of value to offer an employer.

          • FeuerSalamander

            WEll, that is not me. It might be YOU, but it is not me.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Enough of this amateur psychoanalysis! White supremacy is the “favored ideology” of those committed to an objective view of external reality. Whites are the most influential race in history. They are also the most powerful, the most inquisitive, the most creative, the most individualistic and the most intelligent. The entire modern world is an invention of the white race. By every conceivable metric, whites are superior to all other races.

            The only major weakness (some might call this a strength) of the white race is their greater compassion and generosity, which far exceeds that of all other races. Instead of trampling the other races under their own feet and leaving them behind in the dust, whites have spent an enormous amount of time and energy uplifting their racial competitors. White compassion and generosity is also an effective weapon in the hands of our traitorous and insane cosmopolitan elites and will one day eventually destroy the white race.

          • JohnEngelman

            If what you say is true, why is white supremacy not the favorite ideology of white Gentiles with well educated high grade intelligence, and high incomes?

            In his “The True Believer” Eric Hoffer described white supremacists when he wrote, “The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.

            The True Believer describes all fanatics including Marxists.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            About 50-60 years ago, race and sex differences were common knowledge. White racial superiority over the colored races remained the dominant worldview for hundreds of years. Its empirical validity was acknowledged by 19th and 20th century intellectuals and leaders, such as Arthur de Gobineau, Teddy Roosevelt, Lothrop Stoddard and Madison Grant. Today’s highly educated whites reject it because the public education system has become a vehicle for the indoctrination of the young in multicultural and social liberal propaganda.

            Hoffer’s point makes no sense. A man’s capacity for excellence and whether he will be able to reach his full potential or not depends on what race he was born into. The race with the highest degree of excellence, collectively speaking, will also produce the greatest number of individuals with the highest degree of excellence. Unlike marxism, which is a secular religious cult, white racial superiority is based on empirical observation of reality and can be easily justified using hard data.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I am a White separatist and racial realist. Orientals are our equals, but are a separate race with a different temperament from us, and different strengths and weaknesses. Oriental brilliance has a different quality than our brilliance.

          • JohnEngelman

            In addition to having higher average IQ’s than white Gentiles, Orientals have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy.

            I acknowledge that you may have had bad experiences with Orientals. I never have. I have always enjoyed going to school with them, working with them, and living with them.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Actually, I have had had nothing but positive experiences with Orientals. Went to school as a teen with many Blacks and Orientals, also many Jewish kids. As an adult, I work with both Blacks and Orientals, also several Jewish co-workers. I always got along well with my Oriental classmates, and enjoy working with my Oriental co-workers as an adult. The Black kids in school were bullies, Black co-workers as an adult I tolerate out of necessity, but they are lazy, constantly late, always mocking people in a mean spirited fashion, combative attitude, etc. They are at the job purely due to affirmative action, whereas everyone else is there due to our abilities, and dedicated to excellence. I like that Asians have strong work ethics, value respect and fairness. Some of my best friends are Jewish/Ashkenazi descent. My hobby is music, many of my musician friends are Jewish. Most of them, oddly enough, are pretty socially conservative, very pro European culture. I do know some Jewish folks that are Liberal, but I don’t enjoy hanging out with Liberals, as their goofy views anger me.

          • JohnEngelman

            In his book “The Emerging Republican Majority,” Kevin Phillips wrote that when the black population of a state is less than ten percent it does not effect the political behavior of whites. When it exceeds ten percent whites get nervous. When it approaches fifty percent the control of those blacks is the political issue nearly all whites agree on.

            The Emerging Republican Majority was published in 1969 after the election of Richard Nixon. Most of it was written during 1966 and 1967. Even in the wake of Democratic landslide victories in 1964 Kevin Phillips could tell that the civil rights legislation would generate a backlash that would benefit the Republicans.

            Integration only works when the Negro population is less than ten percent of the population. I was fortunate. In the schools I attended the Negro population was less than five percent. That gave me an unrealistically benign opinion of the Negro race.

            Integration with blacks only works when they are less than ten percent of the population. In the schools I grew up in I was fortunate. They were less than five percent. That gave me an unrealistically benign opinion of the Negro race as a whole.

          • JohnEngelman

            You obviously can’t stand to see Jews and Orientals succeed. I love to point out that they are prospering in the United States.

          • FeuerSalamander

            Why do you connect your identity to the success of others? IS Monika Lewinsky a success? Is she a smart person? Does her success and smarts even exist in the shadow of the success and smarts of an Ann Coulter?

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            Is Lewinsky Jewish? I thought She was a Polish Gentile, likely one of those who answered a strict Catholic upbringing with extreme rebellion.

          • oddball1776

            He constantly lies and distorts. He repeats the same baloney over and over again despite being regularly chastised and corrected.

            He is on a pro-White website and his main aim would appear to be to belittle and demoralise the regular users.

            He is a spammer, ready to go with pre-made copy and paste that he has used numerous, countless times before.

            That MO is exactly the same used by his sort on every other internet fora.

            If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck and looks like a duck – it’s a duck.

            JE is the living embodiment of why people are so distrusting, so wary of allowing ‘them’ into our cause. Because ‘they’ always act like he does. ‘They’ are not us. ‘They’ prove this with every word and deed.

            I wish with all my heart it was not so.

          • FeuerSalamander

            he will never respond to a statement that contradicts him, He does not want a discussion. I think he knows he will lose a real discussion either because he knows he is dealing in lies or he knows he is not bright enough to have a real discussion.When challenged about his “test evidence” for jewish IQ being credible, he just goes into repeat mode. He can not acknowledge the reality of the evidence that his claims are based on.

          • oddball1776

            I have been ‘following’ Martel on Disqus for a while and I have seen his clashes with JE.

            I think that (as you have already stated) if the mods/owners won’t act in defence of their flock – then JE must be, wherever possible, ignored.

            A good shepherd/steward would not allow this creature to spit his venom here.

            Engleman’s presence jeopardises the entire Amren project and brings the sincerity, judgement and intent of the leadership into severe doubt.

            And mods, you can delete this if you so choose. I am only speaking out of concern and out of love for my American friends across the sea.

          • FeuerSalamander

            I agree too. Perhaps he has some compromising information on Jarred Taylor. I can not figure it out.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            They ban others who are with us. Why not just ban him. He brings nothing new to the discussion, trolls feverishly and never answers my question. He thinks we are all going to eventually say, “those Chinese are perfect, we should become China and in 100 years we will be genocided so China can have more living space.” He is a sociopath. Ban the little man! He can post at Sino Ren dot com.

          • “love for my American friends across the sea.”

            Appreciated. Those feelings are returned from us to you.

          • oddball1776

            Thank you.

          • Mason Gull

            I don’t follow Engelman’s long debates, but I don’t think he’s here to demoralize anyone since he generally agrees with the majority of the other posters. He has some unpopular opinions which he very vocal about, but his comments usually aren’t particularly inflammatory. He is often chastised for, but I don’t know that he’s been proven to be totally wrong.

            He uses quote from scientific studies, which I don’t see a problem with. He doesn’t copypaste comments, as far as I know. He’s perfectly willing to engage in debate, despite the all the insults he receives.

            My experience with hasbara organization is limited, but I don’t think he’s a shill.

          • FeuerSalamander

            I doubt few ever read much of his posts unless they are new here.

          • FeuerSalamander

            No one with experience here reads his whole posts.

          • Andy

            He does copypaste sometimes, although I see nothing wrong with that.

            Some of his comments (Orientals are vastly more creative than whites; Jews and Orientals are genetically superior to whites *in every way*) strike me as him not being quite honest with himself, but I trust his posts are in good faith.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I sense that John is genuine as well. Where he tees people off, I think, is by taking an overly factual approach to racial realism. I respect Asians as well, and have had very positive experiences with the Asians I have known, but also find them to have a different temperament from us Whites. I think that John has had better interpersonal relations with Asians than with other Whites, because he is very fact oriented. John seems to be a good guy who has good intentions. He just thinks very factually as opposed to theoretically. He has definitely had a hard time with Blacks, as many of us have, and he has chosen to embrace racial realism instead of allowing Black bullies to wreck his self image. John is a decent guy.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            So you are saying he is stupid. Well, he repeats the same things over and over. He is a one trick rickshaw and his lame point completely misses the point of this site which is about a unique race and their unique culture, Western Civilization and how it is best off without outsiders. You are right; he is mentally deficient.

          • FeuerSalamander

            his fortune cookies all have the same message. His wontons are empty. His kreplach is kaput

          • FeuerSalamander

            or it could be that he is merely a malcontent that gets his jollies by annoying people

          • FeuerSalamander

            OR it could be that his motive is to agitate, and sabotage

          • FeuerSalamander

            or it could be that he is a malcontent who just hates other white people

      • FeuerSalamander

        Germany, post WWII, was devoid of Jews, it’s prosperity was an absolute miracle. Israel pales in comparison yet if the Israeli’s are so superior, their country should have been the one to land on the moon and send missions to mars. Compared to Europe, Israel is nothing, and that is even after living off of HUGE amounts of financial aid from the west.

        • DudeWheresMyCountry?

          And Israel would not even exist without huge financial aid in the billions from you guessed it, White people. Even Jewish people I know have admitted that it isn’t a real, organic country because it can’t sustain itself.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Sounds like Whitehaven.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      It isn’t about superiority little man. You are the one always talking about it. It is about separation. We don’t need them, even if they were all 180 IQ. We don’t want to be China. We are not impressed with their failed culture. Forget about race realism little man. We are separatists. China should be China and The West should be The West. We don’t seek to destroy them, they seek to destroy us. You say they are so great… you are the Sino supremacist. What do you seek to accomplish here little man? Again, tell us why you won’t move to China? I have money for you, thousands. I, as I have for years upped my donation starting at $500 to $2000. I am raising it again to $3000. So tell us why you won’t move to China? You will never live anywhere that White people don’t control. You are a fraud. Answer the question!

      • JohnEngelman

        Your post reveals anger. People do not become angry when opinions they are certain of are challenged, but when opinions they want to believe in but fear are mistaken are challenged.

        • FeuerSalamander

          your post reveal anger. My posts reveal that I think you should not be tolerated here.

        • DudeWheresMyCountry?

          Again, you won’t answer my question. You deflect. I’m not mad, I just don’t like disingenuous people. Answer the question or be gone from AR permanently.

          • FeuerSalamander

            When he get’s hot,he accuses others of getting emotional. It is the old Alinksy and Marxist trick “accuse others of what you are”

        • DudeWheresMyCountry?

          I have no fear from little men like you. I have faced down far stronger people than the likes of you. I am proud of Western Civilization. I am proud of my people. I seek to protect it. You have no pride. Tell us, what are you proud of little man? Other people who need Western ideas, technology and innovations? And again, answer the question. I am going to $3500 PayPal to you, tell us why you must live in White homelands. You are the walking contradiction, a confused little man.

          • JohnEngelman

            “The superior man has a dignified ease without pride. The mean man has pride without a dignified ease.”

            ― Confucius, The Analects of Confucius

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            You still haven’t answered why you won’t leave The West little man. You need more money? I have plenty as I’m not a failure like you.

          • FeuerSalamander

            and the loser of arguments accuses others of being what he is. So now you are name calling and casting aspersions on others because they disagree.

        • oddball1776

          People also become angry when they are in the presence of a known deceiver.

          Imposter.

          Fraud.

          Charlatan.

          Capiche?

          • JohnEngelman

            How am I any of those things? My arguments are fact based and rational. I know what I am talking about. The facts are always at my finger tips.

          • oddball1776

            I’m here to network with those that I identify as being 100% legitimate and genuine.

            They are easy to recognise for I am them, and they are me.

            I have nothing further to say to you.

            Good day sir.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            Jared, you need to fire this moderator. Or AR should just close shop. Tell us why you censored this thread, if you must just close it. If you are going to distort the truth, you are just another media outlet… worthless.

          • FeuerSalamander

            face it, the sad truth is that taylor is compromised

          • FeuerSalamander

            you do not have any facts, just opinions, and references to one or two flawed studies.

          • JohnEngelman

            If what you say is true, why am I able to document my assertions using material I have found on American Renaissance, and material written by people who have spoken at American Renaissance conferences?

            Why am I able to quote The Wall Street Journal to substantiate my argument that Democratic presidents have usually been better stewards of the American economy?

            I document my factual assertions using a large number of credible sources. How are they flawed?

          • FeuerSalamander

            you forgot one: “worm”

      • FeuerSalamander

        he is to be ignored, stop reading his posts

        • JohnEngelman

          Take your own advice. You have nothing to offer a civil discussion of serious issues.

          • FeuerSalamander

            IF others are going to feed the golem I will make sure there is too much salt so that it chokes. Sounds like you are choking. Why don’t you finish that thesis you’ve been working on for what? 40 years now.

          • FeuerSalamander

            Jarred Taylor himself has stated that hostility to white identity has mainly come from jewish groups. I think you are feeling marginalized, you are seeing the handwriting on the wall concerning you, your views, and any future you have with this movement. You are old, tired, past it and just not up to the task. You start accusing people of being motivated by hate much more quickly than you used to. I guess Jarred Taylor must be motivated by hate as well since he states a truth which, if others had stated it, would have brought down incredible accusation and defamation from you.

          • JohnEngelman

            What movement are you talking about? I am neither a white nationalist, nor a white supremacist. I believe in race realism, but that is a scientific theory rather than a movement.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            You are a self loathing contradiction. You are a Sino-supremacist. So Sino, why do they need to steal intellectual ideas from The West? And why are you living in The West? Answer little man.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      Orientals and Jews are a very dangerous threat to the survival of white Americans precisely because they cannot be assimilated into the dominant culture of the United States. IQ isn’t the only thing that’s heritable. Personality traits are also heritable. This means that the distinguishing characteristics of any dominant culture are deeply rooted in the personalities of the people who define its core social and political institutions. The implications from this are that western culture is the result of a unique constellation of personality traits that are specific to whites only. This strongly indicates the biological basis of western culture. If you change the people, you change the culture. In the case of the United States, any third world immigration-fueled demographic shift will ultimately result in the permanent extinction of western civilization.

      • 1stworlder

        The Warrior gene would be more aptly named the belligerent A hole gene.

      • JohnEngelman

        Orientals and Jews assimilate well into American society because they perform and behave well. The only people to whom they are a dangerous threat to are those who cannot compete with them.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Orientals and Jews do not assimilate well into American society because of their fierce ethnocentrism and radically different personality traits. You have obviously never been to Chinatown.

          Moreover, there is no level playing field in the US because of a highly selective immigration policy. This makes the competition deeply unfair. It’s a form of bloodless genocide, rather than actual free market competition. Why should whites have to compete with the best and brightest from other countries, when Jews and Orientals do not have to compete with specially selected white Americans in their own countries? More importantly, what’s the point of having a government if it refuses to represent the best interests of its own citizens? The US government has become an illegitimate institution that no longer represents the interests of the white electorate.

          • JohnEngelman

            You have obviously never been to Chinatown.

            – Einsatzgrenadier

            I was introduced to Washington, DC’s Chinatown by my two best friends in high school. They ere thoroughly assimilated Chinese Americans.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            No you haven’t, or you would understand why the Chinese are a racially unassimilable minority.

          • JohnEngelman

            My personal anecdote substantiates what I have documented using material I have found on this website. My admiration for Orientals is based on ample reading and personal experiences. Both in school and on the job I have found them to be competent people who were pleasant to be with.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Argument by anecdote is a logical fallacy because it involves generalizing from small sample sizes, leading to overestimations of the statistical likelihood of trait possession. It’s much easier for people to believe a story as opposed to understanding abstract statistical reality.

          • JohnEngelman

            That is the reason I prefer to explain my admiration for Jews and Orientals by linking to studies that document their high IQ’s and low rates of crime and illegitimacy.

          • JohnEngelman

            In addition, there is no level playing field between whites and Orientals and other foreigners because of a highly selective US immigration policy. This makes the competition deeply unfair. It’s a form of bloodless genocide, rather than actual free market competition. Why should whites have to compete with the best and brightest from other countries.

            – Einsatzgrenadier

            Competition is only unfair when some people are given special advantages. It is fair when the most talented people win.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            But they are being given special advantages: free and undeserved access to a system that 1.) they never contributed to and 2.) are not capable of building themselves because they lack the necessary intelligence and drive.

          • JohnEngelman

            The only advantage Jews and Orientals get, need, or seek in the United States is the opportunity to compete. They compete well because they have good genes.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            If they can “compete well because they have good genes,” they would be in their own countries, competing with whites within their own highly successful capitalist economic systems. Jews and Orientals need to colonize western countries and steal jobs from white natives because they are parasites who can only thrive on the white man’s handouts. They cannot compete on the same footing as whites because they are of inferior genetic quality.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews do not steal jobs from white Gentiles. They earn their jobs with superior performance and social skills. There is nothing parasitical about that at all.

          • JohnEngelman

            The US government has become an illegitimate institution because it no longer represents the interests of its white electorate.

            – Einsatzgrenadier

            There is nothing in the United States Constitution that says that only “the white electorate” matters. The U.S. government exists to protect the rights of all American citizens, regardless of race.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            The US Constitution says:

            We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

            The US government was set up by white people to protect the interests of white people and their descendants.

          • JohnEngelman

            If “our posterity” refers only to those who lived in the United States at the time the United States Constitution was signed, white Gentiles who had no descendants in the United States at the time lack citizenship rights.

            Fortunately, the Constitution says no such thing. The Fourteenth Amendment clearly says, “All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside.”

            There is no mention there about race. Non whites and Jews have just as much right to be here as you do.

          • FeuerSalamander

            you do not make the rules. The posterity of which we are speaking let in other Europeans. It was left to them to do with as they saw fit. The situation is not the same today. jews insinuated themselves throughout our power structure and have hijacked the country.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            No, “our posterity” obviously refers to future generations of white Americans, who would come after the signing of the US Constitution. The 14th amendment was never legally ratified by three-fourths of all states in the union, as required by the Constitution itself, and is therefore an unconstitutional amendment.

            Whether you like it or not, the Constitution clearly indicates that America was founded as a haven for the white race.

          • JohnEngelman

            There is nothing obvious about that at all.Non whites and Jews have as much right to be here as you do.

          • They have no more right to be in America than they do in Japan. That ‘right’ is through the stolen inheritance of the cultural bearers. Though I suppose you’re too dispassionate and hateful to understand.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am not hateful. You are. Why are you so full of hate? Why are you so angry? What are you afraid of?

            Have you lost ground economically during the twenty-first century? Have you been the victim of black and/or Hispanic criminals? If either or both of these is the case, that is no excuse for feeling any hostility toward Jews and Orientals.

            What I suspect about you and a few others here is that you are angry about your circumstances in life. For reasons of personal psychology you choose to direct your anger at right wing hate targets.

            By directing your anger at Jews and Orientals you pose as a defender of the white race and Western civilization.

            Our economy has become increasingly competitive. There are fewer prizes, but they are worth quite a bit more. White Gentiles who win them do not concern themselves with “the stolen inheritance of the cultural bearers.” They enjoy their satisfying careers and high incomes.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            A lot of people on here seem to think that greedy business people who bring violent Mestizos and Negroes into a city as cheap labor are Jewish, and are specifically plotting to tear down Western Civilization. They are giving these greedy business people way too much credit. They are motivated by greed and have blinders on. Most of them are too selfish to care what they are doing to society, and not philosophical or cultured enough to care about the future of Western Civilization. Furthermore, if they were indeed concerned about preserving Jewish culture, they would want to preserve the Western Civilization in which Jewish culture was able to thrive in the first place. No Zionist is myopic enough to think that Jewish culture is not part of Western Civilization, or that Jewish culture would better thrive surrounded by Negroes, AmerIndians, or Islamists.

          • JohnEngelman

            Most greedy business people in the United States, indeed the vast majority of them, are white Gentile Republicans.

            It is interesting from a psychological standpoint, how when those on the right dislike something capitalists are doing, they blame Jewish capitalists, while absolving capitalists of their own ethnicity.

            To the anti Semite the Jew represents the negative face of libertarianism. On one hand the Jew is a greedy landlord raising rents, or an employer who cuts pay rolls and pay checks. On the other hand he is a pornographer or “cultural Marxist,” who corrupts the morals of young white Gentiles.

          • The Verdict of History

            “On [the] one hand the Jew is a greedy landlord raising rents, or an employer who cuts pay rolls and pay checks. On the other hand he is a pornographer or ‘cultural Marxist,’ who corrupts the morals of young white Gentiles.”

            Some things never change.

            This theme of the two-headed monster Jew circulated around the time of the Protocols.

            This was supposed to be the ultimate swindle, the ultimate deception carried out by a secretive cabal of manipulators.

            The National Socialists in Germany and the Black Hundreds in Czarist Russia constantly harped on the theme that “International Communism” and “Finance Capitalism” are, in fact, two sides of the same “Jewish coin”….

          • JohnEngelman

            For Adolf Hitler the Jew was a full service hate target. When Hitler appealed to German workers he portrayed the Jew as the cold hearted capitalist. When Hitler appealed to cold hearted capitalists, he portrayed the Jew as the labor leader and socialist agitator.

          • FransSusan

            JohnEngelman, you’re right that the US government exists to protect the rights of citizens. However, the problem is that is does not do that. It abuses the rights of the productive, middle class in the US to further the interests of and enrich the very rich, who control the government.

          • FeuerSalamander

            he needs to get a job instead of posting all day.

          • WR_the_realist

            I agree that that is the purpose of the government. But given it’s policies of affirmative action, racial set asides, and favoring mass immigration and illegal immigration, it does in practice act as an enemy of the white race. And that’s with the great majority of the politicians being white.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am opposed to affirmative action, and mass immigration – even of my beloved Jews and Orientals, but especially third world peoples. I favor the identification, and the deportation of illegal immigrants, and punishment for their employers.

            Still, I think it is unhelpful hyperbole to say that the government is “an enemy of the white race.” Politicians take the stands they take in order to please their constituencies. Quite a few white voters – especially white employers – want more immigrants.

          • WR_the_realist

            Well, I call them as I see them. I can’t think of anything congress has done for the past 40 years that was to the benefit of the white middle class. When Lou Dobbs asks politicians what they have done for the middle class he always gets a blank stare back.

          • JohnEngelman

            Unfortunately, I have to agree. During the election of 1964 a Gallup survey indicated that about 74 percent of the American people trusted the government to do the right thing all or most of the time. That is why President Johnson defeated Barry Goldwater in a landslide, and why the Democrats won two to one majorities in both houses of Congress.

            In 1964 if you had asked a white blue collar worker what the Democrats had done to help him he would have had much to say. He would talk about how his father got a job after Franklin Roosevelt was inaugurated. He would tell you how Social Security took care of his parents. He would tell you how the government protected his labor union.

            Fifty years later, if you ask a white blue collar worker what the Democrats have done to help him he would laugh sarcastically. Then he would tell you about how forced school busing ruined his education. He would tell you about jobs he did not get because of affirmative action. He would tell you about being the victim of black criminals.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        People of Ashkenazi descent who are no longer practicing Jews are in the same category as Arab Christians. They are White people, and certainly have a place in a White homeland as long as they are racial realists whose loyalties are, first and foremost, to White European culture and the maintenance of White European culture.

    • Anon

      One of those groups is openly engaging in incredible levels of evil and has a pattern of behavior that could only be described as genocide against white people. They openly brag about their highly inappropriate control of our institutions, even law and government. They are SMUG about what they are doing.
      But hey, why talk about those rather alarming things when you can dismiss the whole thing as “resentment” and suggest inferiority in those who dare to notice.
      All I have to say is there is a REASON, saying anything against them, no matter how true, will land you in prison outside the US (and get you into lots of hot water even here in various ways). It’s because those you are talking about hold real power, are a minority….and any reasonable examination of what they have done in the past and are doing today (not to mention what they intend in the future) leads to war….because what you are saying is untrue to an extreme.
      In a normal situation, the issue would be debated, evidence examined, and everything openly talked about. Instead, most of it is covered up (but not successfully) and those who dare mention it are apprehended in the middle of the night and railroaded in kangaroo courts for that pesky “racism”. It would happen here except for all those white people armed to the teeth would guns that might take exception if the punishment was too overt.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      While third world peoples have difficulty assimilating in the United States, Jews and Orientals have always tended to perform and behave well in the United States.

      But they’re not us, and they can never be us.

      • JohnEngelman

        Jews have been in this country since before the American Revolution. Orientals have been here since before the Civil War. They have already assimilated. They behave and perform well.

      • JohnEngelman

        Jews and Orientals have fought in our wars. Their talent and hard work have helped to build this country.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          No, only white talent and hard work built America. Without white people, America would not exist. Jews and Orientals are simply leeching off the achievements of white people.

        • Jared Taylor has already pointed out that Chinese Americans have a greater loyalty to China than they do America – hence their spying. Quit with your bull!

          • JohnEngelman

            Asians have faced fierce discrimination in America, but this has not stopped them from working hard and getting ahead. In fact, they have been so successful in “racist” America that whites have even begun to complain about Asian achievement.

            Whether one looks at Japanese and Chinese, who have been in America for generations, or Koreans and Vietnamese, who have arrived more recently, Asians have been remarkably successful…

            The achievements of more recent Asian immigrants have been well publicized. Everyone has heard of Vietnamese children who came to America unable to speak English and then, a few years later, graduated at the tops of their high-school classes…

            Throughout this period of constant prejudice and persecution, Chinese worked hard, saved their money, and built better lives for themselves. By the time they had full, legal standing in this country, many Chinese had incomes comparable to those of native-born whites. By 1969, Chinese as a group outearned Italian, German, and even Anglo-Saxon Americans…

            During the 1960s, Chinatown was the part of San Francisco with the most unemployment and poverty, the highest rate of tuberculosis, the least education, and the most substandard housing. Nevertheless, in 1965, only five people of Chinese ancestry went to jail in the whole state of California.

            – Jared Taylor, “Paved with Good Intentions”

            Wherever you look, Asians outperform whites academically and financially…

            we have a considerably less than one standard deviation difference between Asian IQ — North Asian IQ — and white IQ. I think that, too, is a result of genetics, and I think that that is what explains the dominance of Asians in certain fields, and their lower rates of illegitimacy compared to whites, their lower crime rates, their better achievement in school, their higher average incomes…

            I think Asians are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society.

            – Jared Taylor Interview

          • JohnEngelman

            I think Asians are objectively superior to whites by just about any measure that you can come up with in terms of what are the ingredients for a successful society.

            – Jared Taylor

        • Ringo Lennon

          Whites built this country from the East coast to the West coast and all areas in between. Asians and Jews don’t have the numbers to build anything in America. Whites never get credit for anything. In my house they do!

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews and Orientals compensate for their lower numbers with their higher IQ scores. That is why they earn higher incomes. That in turn is why white nationalists resent them.

          • Ringo Lennon

            The Chinese didn’t have the numbers to build the railroads from coast to coast.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      I also like the respect for Jews that Jared Taylor introduced to White Nationalism. My own ancestry is an eighth Ashkenazi, though my Jewish forebears became Christians after arriving in America from Germany. They loved Germany, and chose to settle in a German farming community and become Lutherans. Jewish Libtards are lunatics, but I am glad that AmRen eschews Hitlerian style hate against Jews.

      • JohnEngelman

        Jared Taylor also has the intellectual integrity to acknowledge Oriental superiority.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          More like Oriental inferiority. Whites practically invented the modern world. This places them far ahead of all other races, including your beloved Northeast Asians.

          • JohnEngelman

            Wherever you look, Asians outperform whites academically and financially…

            we have a considerably less than one standard deviation difference between Asian IQ — North Asian IQ — and white IQ. I think that, too, is a result of genetics, and I think that that is what explains the dominance of Asians in certain fields, and their lower rates of illegitimacy compared to whites, their lower crime rates, their better achievement in school, their higher average incomes.

            – Jared Taylor

          • FeuerSalamander

            Their nations do not outperform ours, never have, and never will.

          • JohnEngelman

            They did during the dark ages in Europe. They are catching up fast.

        • FeuerSalamander

          he has acknowledged that they have tested one or two points higher on IQ tests, that is all. Tests are one thing, real world accomplishment is another. He is not in any way in favor of race replacement by asians, no matter how much you may try to misrepresent him.

          • JohnEngelman

            Wherever you look, Asians
            outperform whites academically and financially.

            we have a considerably less than one standard deviation difference between
            Asian IQ — North Asian IQ — and white IQ. I think that, too, is a result of
            genetics, and I think that that is what explains the dominance of Asians in
            certain fields, and their lower rates of illegitimacy compared to whites, their
            lower crime rates, their better achievement in school, their higher average
            incomes.

            – Jared Taylor

          • FeuerSalamander

            This is not superiority. This is good performance. Asians are represented in numbers BELOW their percentage of the population in the high achievers in all fields. They are good mediocrities with lower levels of crime. So what. Let hem be such in their own lands. NO asian country has ever truly come close to achieving what America and the west has. So how is that if they are so superior? They can function well in a society that whites create, they can not create the same type of society though.

          • FeuerSalamander

            Jarred a taylor has never said that asians are superior to whites. Are you saying that he has said this? Jarred taylor has steadfastly maintained that whites have a right to keep the countries they created and not to be replaced in them. Are3 you claiming that his statements about some aspects of asian performance are a contradiction of that position.
            Why do you think it is important that slight, to the point of being insignificant differences in performances between asians and whites on test matters? And just how do you maintain that it matters. Are you saying that because you think asians are superior to whites that whites do not have a right to their own sovereign, ethnically defined countries? No European country ever suffered for a lack of an asian minority. On the contrast, in the past two centuries we have advanced immeasurably, and that was without them. Why do you maintain we need them now? White crime rates are white crime rates, white economic success rates are white economic success rates. WE are talking about OPUR lands. You keep bringing up irrelevant points and nagging people with them. Why do you feel the need to nag people about the same old thing, time and time again? What is your problem?

      • FeuerSalamander

        WE have respect for those who do not wish us any harm. There is a significant and unbending segment of the jewish population that will never accept assimilation, and they have been, and always will be working for the destruction of white Christian countries. On the other hand we have those who identify more with the secular society that white Christians have created than they do with jewish tradition. Saying they are all bad is just as dangerous as saying there are none that pose a serious threat. Engleman is of the latter group. He re3fuses to admit that there are some that pose a serious threat and it is based on ethnic chauvinism and animosity. Some on here are of the first group. From what I gather Jarred Taylor is of the group that acknowledges the different factions of jews.

  • FeuerSalamander

    “The modern American White man is a “free agent”: a man who has little loyalty to his place, friends, co-workers, and likely has never met his neighbors.” ….
    I am wondering if this is a recent phenomenon. When I make a quick rundown of fictional male characters over several decades I come up with Nick Charles, a detective in the very popular “Thin Man” series of the early 1940’s. Also “Charlie Chan”. Also Mr. Moto. Both Charlie Chan and Nick Charles were family men. The dynamic between Nick and Nora Charles was one of the most entertaining aspects of the character. The Dynamic between Charlie Chan and his various Number One, Number Two sons daughters, as well as with the character Birmingham Brown etc.. was also an important part of the series. Neither of those two men were “free agents. On the other hand Mr. Moto was the ultimate loner, yet he was an outsider, he was not a role model for white males, he was to remain a mystery, an enigma, it was all part of the attraction. Then My mind jumps to the 60s and we have 007, James Bond, the ULTIMATE “free agent” when it comes to connections with others although he was ultimately loyal to his country and his direct superior “Q”. This is definitely the epitome of the white male “free agent” fantasy, and a kind of character that no other people besides white people ever conceived of, let alone idolized. WE have several clones of this sort of character such as “Magnum P.I.” of the eighties.
    As far as I can recollect though, the FIRST European character portrayed as such a “free agent” was the Hercule Poirot” character written by Agatha Christie. Her “Miss Marple” Character is also along the same lines, the genius loner.

  • Romulus

    Mr. Spencer devotes a considerable amount of print to jack, yes?

    I enjoyed the overall content of the conference , as stayed previously, but as it pertains to J.D., I feel betrayed. He possesses the intellect to write a book called the way of men and then, as I discovered in readings upon returning home from vacation, that he’s a homosexual.

    A homosexual ruminating on the travails of modern man, is like a fish telling a raptor how to fly.
    The guy is obviously searching for an identity judging from his considerable skin art. One in particular is the modern word for the “Shaitan”. Or the enemies of the Christian church,.
    I will never condone homosexuality, no matter what reason is given.

    As whites stream in droves to the right seeking representation and their numbers dwindle, those on the left that haven’t been consumed by their own creation, will flock to our side looking for redemption (?),forgiveness (?), inclusion (?).

    Contained in the article is the concept of mainstreaming. The more pressure on whites, the greater the solidarity, yes, but as I’ve discovered, there has been some change to amren over the last 20 years. If confused men like J.D. Can convert to their natural role in biology ( who knows_conversion therapy is illegal in CA) should they be welcome?
    If I wasn’t otherwise engaged, I would devote all my efforts like the presenters. Veterans ,patriots, and realists are my main endeavor.

    Like Richard, I believe Europe would be better served by having a true indigenous identity. The strength of each of the nations ethnic culture derives from millennia. It will not be easily given up. I could barely control my emotions as the Frenchman , the German and the Englishman I met described the death of their countries.

    Still, I came away feeling hopeful, even as im completely aware that there is an alliance forming with they that shall not be named. As I’ve stayed, as long as it’s for our interests and doesn’t result in either fratricide or another crusade. It boils down

    • Romulus

      Strategies. It would not be my choice to mimic UKIP by rolling out diversity to prove that we’re not racist. The label doesn’t bother me. This may be the public face of the movement.
      “Keep your friends close and your ______________.”

    • FeuerSalamander

      It could be that Donovan was projecting his own life experience on the situation of the white race as a whole. I refer you to my other posts. To briefly summarize “gay males” live as the penultimate “free agents” without connections to anyone or anything, not even their sexual partners, with whom they rarely exchange words, let alone names.

      It is interesting to contrast the moslem world with the western world in this regard. The western world has elevated women to not only EQUAL to men, but has eliminated ALL DISTINCTIONS between women and men. This has meant that a separate “male world” no longer exists in the west. In the moslem world, the male domain not only exists,it rules. The bonds between men are much stronger in the male world in that a man is more concerned with the opinion and respect of his male peers that he is with his woman or his wife. In the moslem world, a five year old boy is told that he is the master of the house when older men are not present, that his sisters and his mothers must respect HIS authority.

      Not only does a male world not exist in the west, any hint of masculinity is considered unacceptable, even criminal. They do not have “hate speech” laws in the moslem world because their society has not been feminized. The blunt, straightforward nature of men still rules. People’s, especially women’s, feelings are not at all considered important. What is right by their religion and values is what is considered important and as far as they are concerned there can be no excesses when it comes to defending those valued things. This contrasts sharply with the mamby pamby republican way of denouncing those on their own side for saying the right things, but in the wrong way.

      • Romulus

        That is true of muslims, of which we’re all familiar. As a vet, I have first hand experience of their culture. They can drop dead right along with their cousins who migrated out of the desert a little over a 1000 bce.
        Forgive the crassness, it’s Friday and I’m not feeling especially highbrow.

        As per the nature of male dominance of their society, they are uber conservative while the west has become ultra liberal. This expression of the west has manifested before at the height of the Roman empire. It peaked, then crashed. The pendulum is now swinging back the other way. This happened (blacks and muzzies invading Europe) before. It took 600 years to get rid of them. Not all of them, if you remember where Allah’s cousins ended up (central Europe)

        The answer for humans is exactly as The naturalist David Attenborough says, the roles of our biology are as such just as they are for 99% of all nature that has ever existed. They compliment each other to form a balanced, homeostatic pair. This is the optimal paradigm. Men should be men ,women should be women but form a unit pair, each with their distinctive roles.

        After white war 1&2 and the hippie revolution, the world has exploded in it’s unsustainable population growth(just not us). Couple that growth with the level of incredibly dangerous weapons technology. (nuclear,biological, and chemical) with the natural aggression of men and a world of dwindling supply side economics and you have a recipe for global misadventures.

        What confounds me, is that only western white men (excepting the Russians) have been deprived of their spirit and testosterone. The global clique assumes matriarchal societies are less apt to violence.

      • 1stworlder

        What’s crazy is how many women think they could equal men in a fight. Media does so many stories where women can beat up multiple men, when the best women fighters in the world are at the level of “tough guy at the local straight bar”. Some 100 pound woman kicking a 6’tall guy through a window when in reality she probably couldn’t break the window with a kick.

    • Capt. Bryant

      Glad to see you Romulus good talking to you at the conference

      • Romulus

        You too my friend. Let’s hope the cadre doesn’t give you an earful.
        I hope the Frenchman emails me. I looked high and low through my luggage but can’t seem to find his POC.

        I Mr. Taylor and Co. has another one. I’d definitely make a point of going again.

        If your unaware, the premiere issue of MJOLNIR came out recently, as well as Nicholls wade’s book. I believe you’ll enjoy both.

        • “If your unaware, the premiere issue of MJOLNIR came out recently”

          Thank you, I somehow missed this somehow.

  • Truthseeker

    A good recap of the AmRen Conference. It’s nice to see someone take a critical look rather than just praising it because it’s an oasis of sanity for those of our mindset. With no disrespect to the speakers intended, I shared some of Mr. Spencer’s criticisms.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    We identify with what to us seems most meaningful — at our own stage in life.

    At times my perceptions coincide with Mr. Spencer’s. We agree, for example, that Professor Douglas Whitman is potentially “of tremendous value to our movement.” [I later took the professor up on his offer made at the 2014 American Renaissance conference to send a list of videos, books, articles on human evolution, race and IQ to those who asked. I am I most glad that I did. The bibliography he seen will be very helpful. Much of it is in ascending order of difficulty — from the basic ( videos, articles, books) to the technical.]
    Whitman, Spencer and I agree, is very important.

    At other times, Spencer and I disagree. Our differences may be generational. For example, I see China as immensely important. We need to know much more about China. I am most grateful for the “always entertaining” John Derbyshire’s superb presentation on China and on Chinese Americans. It was, for me, far more than that just “interesting at times,” as it seems to have been for Spencer.

    And so it goes.

    Whatever the agreements/disagreements, however, it was a great 2014 conference. I look forward to the DVDs, for what is for me a mandatory second (or third) look at some very good presentations.

  • FeuerSalamander

    About the myth of jewish biological superiority and superior IQ, all I have to do is say ONE name …. “Monika Lewinski”. Nuff said folks. Thank you, I am here all week, I recommend the veal.

  • Anon

    Until I can bring up Amren in conversation with someone, anyone, I know, who isn’t specifically a racist, racial realist or someone who has already specifically made an effort to seek out such a thing, and have them have some clue as to what I am talking about. I consider Amren a complete and utter failure. No….it is not a good thing that only a handful of scruffy, foul smelling drug addicts showed up to protest. It’s a measure of how irrelevant the whole thing is.
    We do not need or is it even desirable to learn more on how to spread these ideas in a way that is respectable and, quite frankly, safely impotent. What we NEED. Is what the liberals had back in the day. An underground, spreading techniques and networking on how to infiltrate, take over and seize power. You know…how they actually did recently.
    They had “Rules for Radicals”. We need “Rules for Racists”. That is the bottom line.

    • Romulus

      Taking their own alynsky playbook and turning the tables would be a good start. The movement is still, unfortunately in it’s infancy.

      It would bode well for all us realists to consider picking up the current and following issues of National Geographic. The synopsis will be covering the titanic problems to address as pertinent to the worlds food supply.

      Readers will remember my comments beginning Feb 2013 concerning the other meta problems the world has as well as the one we discuss nightly on this forum.

      • 1stworlder

        I had some serious schadenfreude when William Buffet’s son gave up trying to teach Africans farming methods known by ancient Rome. He eventually realized that they would never be able to do it on their own without someone there to guide them. We need to stop sending food to the 3rdworld as it gives us more 3rdworlders, and drugs as it gives us diseases whitey’s medicine cant cure AIDS & resistant diseases.

        • Romulus

          There is a framework that would instantly cure America and Europe. Nobody in leadership has the stones to do what is necessary.

          Male dominant old fashioned European aggression is the cure. They have been disarmed, emasculated, and disenfranchised. All the world but the most primitive have the WMD that is nuclear,biological, and chemical.

          Do any seriously believe that any forcible removal of foreigners wouldn’t result in America coming to the rescue to crush the “evil white racist Nazi’s”

          We have the Non nuclear proliferation treaty for a reason. We’ve tried to get Russia and the us to dismantle their warheads for a much larger purpose. Someone on this thread thinks that the gun issue is a distraction.

          That’s absolute bull!!!! The only thing standing in the way of a full blown British police state here is the constitution and the right to near arms.!!!!!! The PEACE will be maintained until it can no longer be kept. You must have the ability to resist forced kumbaya integration, miscegenation and Mexo/ Black run America.

          The governments intend to force all to get along while the planet grinds slowly down to more sustainable levels. No one will cover this topic except in passing. The third would’ve population is set to explode over the next 30 yrs, while we decline. How is the west going to feed,house, clothe all this human detritus and maintain stability in our own nations.

          Force of government, obviously. You must not let the government alter the bill of rights or disarm you!!!!!! There are key issues that will determine whether we can face the onslaught of the whole world pouring into the Fourth largest country.

          • Romulus

            Pardon my spelling /editing, Im on my mobile. Text compression makes it hard to adjust long posts.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      “Rules for Realists” is better.

      • IstvanIN

        Huh?

  • As expected from Richard Spencer, a very fine article.

    Have to admit I do not agree that pan-Europeanism should replace nationalism, although Whites (I’m open to a better term) in Europe obviously need much more solidarity. We also need some pan-world Europeanism, something that any White in Australia, the US, South Africa, the UK or France can feel an excitement and pride in belonging to. For one thing, in nationalism and localism there can be a deep connection to the land, something that many of my fellow Americans often forget. I’m a Pacific Coast Sierra Nevada guy, but this trait is one of the reasons I admire paleo-conservative Southerners. Yes, White nations have often been slaughterhouses, but I believe that there is at least a good chance that many will see that we cannot afford this luxury of going berserk on our cousins at the same time that other alien races, and their enablers, continue to rapidly demographically erase us.

    “second half of Sam’s talk, he discussed creating a master narrative of the White race, involving our connection to the ancients, the age of the cathedrals, and high culture of Europe. With stories like this, what we omit is as important as what we include.”

    Excellent. We are particularly blessed with our cultural heritage and its adventurous and heroic legacy, in reality and in myth. Look at all of today’s action films that employ these myths to make tons on money, and always pervert them against us. Was it in the “Thor” film where the Gatekeeper was a black guy? At least our enemies do us the courtesy of being ham-handedly obvious.

    But I would like us not only to emphasize great literature and reprint major forgotten works of the past, but to invade popular culture with high quality but gripping thoughtful popular novels, narrative nonfiction, screenplays, graphic novels, comics, satirical magazines, popular music, like ‘soft rock,’ as well as fashion and architecture. Enjoying such things will be considered subversive among many youths, and therefore all the more attractive and seductive. (And we will have the facts and brotherly love and the survival of our people on our side.)

    Finally, one thing we have to remember about Jared Taylor and his AmRen, as good as he is, he can only be one man. There should be a dozen Taylor’s, with somewhat differing philosophies and strategies, operating in different areas, like political organizing or movie-making. I believe such a day will come.

  • a quote from the article above:

    “In other words, much as in America, nationalist energies are being
    articulated through inherently liberal rhetoric.”

    A good point. However, I have to point out that the word ‘liberal’ above is not used in the same sense as it is used in america. Liberal as used above is in the classical sense, i.e., it addresses the question of how the rich should be permitted to use their money. This is how it is generally used in britain. Liberal there means rightwing economics.

    another quote:

    “As Adrian argued,

    UKIP is made up of people whose instincts are
    fundamentally sound . . . but they are still too obsessed with
    Anglo-Saxon concepts we need to put behind us: unlimited individualism,
    the great benefit of unfettered capitalism, etc.”

    An EXCELLENT point. UKIP is being tainted with rightwing economics ideology. BNP never has been so tainted.

    What does this means? It means that the UKIP will talk up anti-immigration and anti-EU in order to attract the white working class vote, and then once in power, they will run the old bait and switch. Instead of actually following through on the anti-immigration and anti-EU aspect of their platform, they will only follow through on the rightwing economics aspect of their platform.

    This is exactly what has happened in the USA. The GOP has the same characteristics–the GOP pretends to support whites by being anti immigration and anti affirmative action, and then once in power, it’s the old bait and switch.

    As for how the FN and the UKIP are gaining votes by softening their image and “reaching out”, this is primarily aimed at women and educated whites and whites who are against immigration but who have had close associations with nonwhites.

    I see this as OK. It serves the greater purpose stopping immigration. As the old saying goes, the best is the ever the enemy of the good. Why hold out for the best that is unattainable when the good is attainable?

    Finally, I have been watching the videos of the BNP and the UKIP on youtube. What an amazing movement that is. It puts everything in america absolutely to shame. The Brit white nationalist/anti-immigration movement in the UK is MILES AND MILES ahead of anything we have here in america. And the reason why that is so is because there are so many Brits who have a much much clearer picture of what is really going on. So many people involved in the UKIP and BNP movements there are completely and utterly locked in on the really important aspect of multiculturalism and mass immigration and how these ideologies are used by the corporations as economic weapons against the white working class.

    In contrast to that, here in america the white nationalist movement (if I can call it that) is all mixed up and muddled together with elite-centric economic ideologies such as economic libertarianism. Yes, much of the UKIP official ideology is aligned with libertarianism. But underneath the UKIP vote is anti-libertarian. This goes straight to the idea behind the definition of the word ‘liberal’ in its classic sense. Many of the BNP base do realize that their movement is essentially Leftist in the real and true sense of the word. In other words, they realize that what they are doing in supporting the white majority is Leftist, because true Leftism means looking out for the interests of the working class majority. In both the UK and the USA, that majority is white. So if you put the interests of the whites ahead of everything else, that is true Leftism.

    • Monmouth78

      “The GOP has the same characteristics–the GOP pretends to support whites by being anti immigration and anti affirmative action, and then once in power, it’s the old bait and switch.”

      It’s a little different. The GOP leadership has never opposed mass third world immigration or anti-white discrimination. Some members of the party have pretended to, but it was never the whole party or the leaders like UKIP. The GOP gave us the 1986 amnesty, Bush I’s doubling of legal immigration and repeated attempts at amnesty under Bush II.

      Even the fraud Thatcher just kept immigration the at about the same level instead of increasing it.

      • regarding the GOPs bait and switch, yes, it is true the GOP leadership never pretended to be anti-immigration, but their proxies in talk radio sure did promise that the GOP would slow immigration. In fact even now the GOP proxies online keep talking about how the GOP is our only hope. In fact a certain website does that same thing all the time.

        Re Thatcher, yes, I even posted a chart on isteve that showed how during her reign immigration continued to increase but only at a slightly slower pace than before

    • Grantland

      “..but the white working class wants obamacare and social security.”

      We shall have to break their chains.

      • Grantland

        …but don’t worry, we’ll relieve you of the free-loaders and the predators. Humanely.

        Free Enterprise and the Rule of Law. In our White Inter-National Alliance.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Wow, AR moderators you should be ashamed of yourselves for the censorship of this thread.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    If you think that then little man here must be a plant. He repeats the same nonsense that is completely off topic to no end.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    I advise people to no longer post here. Use the links to the original articles and post there.

  • blight14

    Whitman’s talk was stimulating, sensible, and generous (though he did twice refer to “those slimy Marxists!”).
    So, what’s the little quip in parenthesis supposed to mean? I don’t remember Mr Whitman saying anything that was incorrect.

  • Robbie Cheney

    Glad to see that ‘stormfronters’ have become ‘irrelevant’ at Montgomery Bell State Park. Hoping Amren can hold meetings in other venues with similar security and without having to fear ‘disruptions’ from so called ‘anti racists’ and so called ‘anti facists’ who are nothing more than agents for the neo communists.

    • FeuerSalamander

      Could it be that they think amen has already been neutralized?

  • JohnEngelman

    Facts like what? Document them.

    ————

    According to current figures from Immigration and Customs Enforcement — the federal agency responsible for deportations — Obama has removed 1.4 million people during his 42 months in office so far. Technically, that’s fewer than under George W. Bush, whose cumulative total was 2 million. But Bush’s number covers eight full years, which doesn’t allow an apples-to-apples comparison.

    If you instead compare the two presidents’ monthly averages, it works out to 32,886 for Obama and 20,964 for Bush, putting Obama clearly in the lead…

    Measured by the monthly frequency of deportation, Obama’s numbers are significantly higher than Bush’s were.
    http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/aug/10/american-principles-action/has-barack-obama-deported-more-people-any-other-pr/

    The Obama Administration has deported more immigrants annually than the George W. Bush Administration.
    http://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2013/09/19/high-rate-of-deportations-continue-under-obama-despite-latino-disapproval/

    In one term, the Obama Administration has deported roughly 80 percent the number of immigrants the George W. Bush administration deported in two.

    In fiscal year 2012, 419,384 immigrants were deported from the U.S.,beating the record of 392,862 in 2009. Based on data provided by the U.S. Department of Homeland Security, the Obama administration has deported roughly 1.6 million immigrants between 2009 and 2012. The previous administration deported about two million between 2001 and 2008.
    http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/obama-administration-tops-its-own-deportation-record/

  • Hunter Morrow

    Nice name drop of Revilo P. Oliver and William Luther Pierce. You probably can’t even quote half their best speeches here without a jew-mod deleting them.

  • Andy

    Probably some of that is true (after all, it doesn’t pay to make the group you want to make down *more* attractive) but I think a lot of it is natural to unpopular movements. You can’t be socially accepted *and* a race realist, so the people who join will either be 1) already social rejects or 2) people willing to sacrifice their social acceptability. Furthermore, in general the more socially in-tune you are, especially among women, the less time you spend thinking about philosophy and politics.

  • Andy

    DudeWheresMyCountry,

    If he’s a plant, he’s doing an awfully poor job. His posts were one of the things that eased me into race realism. I am now further right than he is, but it’s to our advantage to have some people of his opinions posting. We’re constantly accused of simply “hating” all foreigners; having some who like certain foreigners better than their own race helps dispel that conception among curious readers.

  • FeuerSalamander

    once again, you use a piece of fiction as proof of something.

  • JohnEngelman

    I have never claimed to be a mouth piece for Jared Taylor. I appreciate the opportunity to participate in discussions on his website. Jared Taylor and I agree on most of our reality perceptions. We disagree on many likes and dislikes.

    We agree that diversity is not a strength, and that it is foolish to allow large numbers of third world people to move to the United States.

    However, because the United States is diverse I think it can be dangerous to encourage white racial consciousness. That is a reality perception where we disagree.

    Diversity is a problem we need to manage. We can manage it better when we do not nurture racial animosities and loyalties. My loyalty is extended to decent people of all races.

    Moreover, I do not see how white Gentiles, Jews, Orientals, and East Indians have different interests. Together we benefit from an end to affirmative action, and a more adequate criminal justice system.

    • ‘My loyalty is extended to “decent” people of all races.’

      If that was the case you would not rant on passionately about the racial superiority of Jews and Orientals. The fact you do that strongly suggest otherwise.

      You are a liar!

      • JohnEngelman

        With few exceptions, I only discuss the superiority of Jews and Orientals when someone expresses hostility for them.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Amren is a fraud. You have a new enemy to add to your growing list. Good job you idiots! I can’t wait to see you go down in flames!

    • oddball1776

      Just about managed to spot this post amongst the carnage and wreckage of my Disqus feed.

      comment removed/comment removed/comment removed and so on and so forth.

      I know you are aware of what I mean.

      Just to warn you – Captain Asperger has been ninja editing his posts linked to all the deletions to make himself look like the victim/victor.

      This post will, of course, get removed so I hope you catch it.

  • IstvanIN

    x

    • FeuerSalamander

      yes, but what you want Engelman does not accept.He is on record as being steadfastly against any white homelands. When the issue is brought up, he goes into his litany of how whites are low IQ and not deserving of their own lands, or even of surviving .

      • Yes, and we argue against him on that, he makes out it can only be our hatred and jealousy and resentment that makes us wish to survive. Its an emotionally abusive tactic.

        • FeuerSalamander

          in the end all he has is name calling

  • IstvanIN

    I have frequently argued with people that we have too much stuff.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      I have frequently argued that as well. Americans are drowning in junk!!

  • FeuerSalamander

    I think these Ivory tower talks are getting white people nowhere. WE have a lot of faw-fawing and rhubarbing and that is really about it. Meanwhile a poster such as JE is allowed to attack the very validity of the survival of whites and the very validity of the idea of white nation states. Something really smells bad here.

  • FeuerSalamander

    Once again, you use fiction as an argument

  • FeuerSalamander

    he will say that the economy is making a strong recovery, then news stories will say that economic growth is approaching ZERO. Yet when confronted with this contradiction, he will refuse to face it. He will try to qualify everything until he is basically saying “it depends on what the meaning of “is” is”. he is best ignored. it is sad that others feed the golem

  • FeuerSalamander

    Don’t bother the golem with the facts behind his faulty statistics, he can not handle the truth.

  • Pelagian

    I often find argumentation like this to shift between profound truth-telling to “all is lost!” fatalism to “I’m more right-wing than you!” geekiness. Perhaps any successful movement needs a little bit of each? Whatever one thinks about DE, the “take-away” is that race is not “everything”; it might not even be the most important thing; it could be that the racial crisis is a symptom of a deeper crisis at the heart of Occidental civilization that has persisted for centuries.

    Brilliant. Thank you, Richard.

  • Pelagian

    But even the most truculent paleoconservative would struggle to deny that Jack’s talk was insightful and masterfully composed. Im about as truculent as they come … but I admit this is a great speech.

    My only quibble is that he has written extensively about his homosexuality (Mars/Mars he calls it). If youre ruing the fact that Americans are stupid individualists and have no loyalty to the rest of the culture, why announce your homosexuality publicly? A basic elementary understanding of paleo concepts such as the common good, duty to avoid scandal, duty to promote fecundity of the race, etc. would cause him to eschew such a reference. I would think. If DaVinci and Gershwin and even Freddie Mercury didnt need to come out … why do you?

  • FeuerSalamander

    Why is a poster , we all know who, allowed to spread defeatism, doubt, and disinformation here? I think the reason why the leftists are not showing up any more at these conferences is because they have people on the inside and people on the outside. Amren is controlled opposition now. It is bait for those who would otherwise become a formidable movement. Those on the inside have steered the group into endless navel gazing sessions. Those on the outside are allowed to post and sow discord defeatism and doubt with disinformation and basically just nagging. Many are driven away no doubt after reading a few such posting boards. When it appears that the people hosting this whole enterprise do not even believe in it, then why bother. It is just another example of the type of sickness that seems to pervade the republican establishment. Pretend to fight back, pretend to be for something, then when the time comes they “grow” and become “polite” and tell us we can’t do anything, that we must be “good” little sacrifices and lie down peacefully in our coffins.

  • I was wondering what he meant by SwiPL. So I Googled it & now I know:

    SWiPL Web definitions
    SWI-Prolog is an open source implementation of the programming language Prolog,
    commonly used for teaching and semantic web applications.

    Sometimes I wish for the old days when old-timers would put definitions near acronyms that they’d use. Example: Scale Adaptive Simulations [SAS].

    • JustAnotherWhiteGuy

      I always thought that that “Swipple”was the way to say SWPL which is the acronym for the “StuffWhitePeopleLike” web page (the far better page is StuffBlackPeopleDontLike).

      • Nevsky

        You’re right. That’s exactly what it means.

    • IstvanIN

      I feel the same way. I have made the mistake of asking what a bunch of letters means and have been rudely referred to G@*gle. I prefer Bing if, for no other reason, they don’t denigrate Christian holidays like g@*gle does.

      • Grantland

        g@*gle, unfortunately, is the best. Try startpage, which strips off all your identifiers and sends g@*gle your query.

  • Yes, and it is that hopeless attitude (collectively) that puts the nail in the coffin.

  • Marcus

    All this negative emotion isn’t healthy, there is a more real solution to humanities problems.

    The fear of life is the cause of all our anti-social, self-destructive, neurotic habits of behaviour and relationship with one another, and with the earth itself. We have found that a simple act that we call ‘looking at yourself’ washes away the fear of life and heals the mind of anyone who will try it just once:

    1. Close your eyes. Notice the symphony of sensations and thoughts about sensations rising and falling within you.

    2. Notice that you can move your attention to one or another sensation or thought at will.

    3. Now use that same beam of attention to look for the feel of what you would call ‘me’ – a faint sensation that is what you feel like to yourself.

    That’s it, you’ve done all that needs to be done to bring you home to the beauty and satisfaction that are to be found in a human life lived without fear.

    • IstvanIN

      Hooey and balderdash.

      • Marcus

        Just try it, it only takes a moment. You’ll see your relationship with your life transform over time. The proof is in the pudding!

        • FeuerSalamander

          Why don’t you try getting in touch with your inner man

        • FeuerSalamander

          Didn’t you just win that singing contest in europe?

      • FeuerSalamander

        You are right, the man is full of half baked cliches.

        • IstvanIN

          When I close my eyes I doze off.

  • Transpower

    Nice review of the conference. I do think we should stick to the facts about racial and ethnic group differences, and stay away from emotions. Our main goal should be to get rid of this “equality mentality” and remove all government preferences for “minorities.”

  • Evette Coutier

    Our race is lost if we don’t bring the youth back into the fold.

  • Pelagian

    Apparently “New Vistas” does not include free speech in speculation of the role of Jewish ideology (note, *not* DNA) in any of the problems we cluck at here in 2014. My link to the Jewish Revolutionary Spirit was removed. I assume I am on a watch list and not long for this board. If so, good-bye all, it’s been fun.