High School Seniors in U.S. Fail to Show Reading, Math Progress

Janet Lorin, Bloomberg, May 7, 2014

U.S. high school seniors, whose school years have encompassed the sweeping education initiatives of two presidents, failed to demonstrate improvement in math or reading on a national exam.

Only 38 percent of those tested in 2013 scored as proficient readers on the National Assessment of Educational Progress, known as the “Nation’s Report Card,” released today by the Education Department. Three-quarters failed to show math proficiency. The scores were little changed from 2009, when the test was last given.

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The seniors were in the first grade when President George W. Bush signed No Child Left Behind into law. The program called for schools to demonstrate yearly progress and to show that all students are proficient on state standardized tests by 2014. Most states have received waivers under President Barack Obama, whose Race to the Top program has pledged $4.35 billion in state grants in four years to boost education standards.

The Nation’s Report Card shows what students know in various subject areas and compares achievement data among states and demographic groups. Tests are also given in science, history and other subjects. Just 12 percent of 12th-graders were proficient in American history, according to a 2011 report.

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The 2013 reading and math results are based on a nationally representative sample of students in the 12th grade. More than 92,000 students were assessed in either math or reading.

Asian/Pacific Islander students scored the highest in math, with 47 percent proficiency, followed by 33 percent of white students. Those two groups also tied at 47 percent in reading.

The achievement gap between black and white students has remained steady at about 30 points in math from 2005 to 2013. The score gap between blacks and whites in reading widened by 5 points from 1992 to 2013.

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Education Secretary Arne Duncan said the U.S. must do better for its students, especially African-American and Latino pupils.

“Despite the highest high school graduation rate in our history, and despite growth in student achievement over time in elementary school and middle school, student achievement at the high school level has been flat in recent years,” Duncan said in a statement. “Just as troubling, achievement gaps among ethnic groups have not narrowed.”

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  • MekongDelta69

    Headline is:
    “High School Seniors in U.S. Fail to Show Reading, Math Progress”

    Headline should be:
    “Non-White High School Seniors in U.S. Fail to Show Reading, Math Progress”

    • JohnEngelman

      Asian/Pacific Islander students scored the highest in math, with 47 percent proficiency, followed by 33 percent of white students.

      – Janet Lorin, Bloomberg, May 7, 2014

      • RisingReich

        Yes John, we get it. Asians are great, Whitey is ALWAYS behind yellow slant eye. Got anything original we haven’t read to post?

        • Peter Connor

          Asians, however, are not very creative or unorthodox and win few Nobel prizes. Face it, it’s the Dead White Guys from northern Europe who invented everything.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews win one out of five Nobel prizes.

          • Bubble Burster

            “assuming an admissions system based on strictest objective meritocracy, we would expect our elite academic institutions to contain nearly five Asians for every Jew; but instead, the Jews
            are far more numerous, in some important cases by almost a factor of two. This raises obvious suspicions about the fairness of the Ivy League admissions process.”

            The Myth of American Meritocracy
            –Ron Unz

          • Chip Carver

            Jews no longer have to put in much work to get to the top schools, due to all the ethnic networking and control they enjoy. Just one advantage to being a cohesive, ethnocentric group at work amongst an atomized population of whites who still think that things in the US are based on fairness.

          • JohnEngelman

            The average IQ of Ashkenazi Jews pushes their bell curve to the right, and means that a much higher percentage of them are in the Genius range. That explains the Jewish presence in the top schools.

          • Strike_Team

            So if they have a B minus average and SAT scores outside the top 10%, as do so many of them now, according to their own (Ron Unz), they get a free pass, right? Without having to do the work, right? LOL. Yeah, you fit right in.

            One thing that the trolls don’t want to bring up is SD (standard deviation) in IQ. That’s because it’s likely narrower for the self-chosen, being so inbred and all.

            Then again, we don’t see a lot of them being indecisive about picking something to focus on, unlike some people who spend decades in school waffling. So maybe some people troll and defend, but don’t really fit in.

            As for Chip, kudos for bringing up Unz’s (and MacDonald’s) work on this topic. The fact that the people who can’t be named are showing their usual and increasing arrogance with huge numbers of them no longer putting in the effort to be top dogs academically reeks of history, with the over-reaching combining with arrogance and a strange sort of self-satisfied apathy that always leads to the big fall.

          • Peter Connor

            Jews from Northern Europe–did you have a point?

          • JohnEngelman

            They were Ashkenazi Jews. 80 percent of Jews are Ashkenazi Jews. Ashkenazi Jews are descended mainly from Israelites, and first century Italians.

          • Peter Connor

            You are an ignoramus. As you would learn from Prof. Cochran, Aschkenazi Jews are about 50% European and didn’t get smart until 200 years ago, in northern Europe.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Ashkenazim revealed how intelligent they were during the nineteenth century when religious discrimination in Western Europe began to decline.

            What they showed was the result of a thousand years of prior evolution when they were selected on the basis of being able to fill intellectually demanding jobs.

            They were not allowed to own land or practice most trades. Christians were not allowed to be money lenders. Jews filled that professional niche. Money lending required intelligence, especially before the adoption of Arabic numbers. Roman numerals were awkward to perform arithmetic with.

            Jews who could not learn the necessary skills left the faith, or did not have children.

          • Black Swan

            Thread hijacker and OT.

          • Bartek

            That is disputable.

          • Black Swan

            Then they should move out of a country that their ancestors did not found, invent, fight for, die for, sacrifice for, and build up.

            Let them go to their own country and leave us Whites alone.

          • JohnEngelman

            Orientals and Jews have fought in American wars. They have helped build this country with their hard work and talent.

          • Mergatroyd

            No, they haven’t, anti-White. They come here to steal what the White man has created and built. Period.

          • JohnEngelman

            Your comment is about as foolish as comments that claim that whites are responsible for black poverty.

          • Mergatroyd

            So says the leading spreader of misinformation on American Renaissance.

            You are an anti-White who supports the race replacement of the White race by Asians and Jews and everyone here needs to know that.

            — The thought of you losing your job to a more intelligent Jew or Oriental is pleasing to me. As time goes on there will be more of that.

            — I like ethnic diversity

            What Jewish lies?

            The Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence. That is the truth.

            — What matters is not race. What matters is IQ.

            — Miscegenation is the coming trend. There is not point in even trying to reverse it.

            — Get used to it. In the future inter racial marriage will be even more common.

            — History is moving against you. America is becoming more multi racial, more multi ethnic, and more meritocratic. There is nothing white nationalists can do about. One gets places in politics by getting in front of popular issues. One does not get places by fighting for lost causes.

            All quotes by John Engelman.

            I notice that any rebuttal to your specious comments are deleted immediately while yours are left to stand. That means you are either a moderator here or systems admin.

            It’s already being discussed on other threads and forums on the net and regular posters and donors are leaving in droves. AR’s numbers are also declining according to Alexa.

            Good going, John. You are single-handedly putting AR out of business.

          • JohnEngelman

            Mergatroyd,

            Here is something else for your list. Make sure you spell my name correctly:

            My loyalty extends to decent people of all races. I have known many.

            One of the most fascinating friends I ever had in my life was a black college professor who taught at Howard University.

            My two best friends in high school were Chinese Americans.

            I love Jews, Judaism, and Israel.

          • Mergatroyd

            Your record speaks for itself, John, as does all the evidence and even your own words: you are an anti-White who supports the race replacement of the White race.

            I apologize for not spelling your name correctly. Now how about YOU getting your facts straight and stop denigrating Whites on this forum.

          • Strike_Team

            Have you noticed that every single country that jews end up dominating via their incredibly group oriented, nepotistic to the extreme behavior always collapses? They have never run a successful country, never really created a civilization that’s worth bragging about. Their negative behaviors, the greed and more, always end up destroying things. Look at Israel. Total collapse in minutes if the US and German stopped the flow of confiscated monies. The trolls troll on with their bunk and out of context materials, wrapped in lies and reeking of rot. But the truth wins out in the end. That’s why they’re so panicked here. Ramping up the posts, getting more and more screechy in tone.

          • John R

            I don’t think that anyone here is arguing that Jews are not intelligent. The issue with them is what they do with that intelligence. And some, not all, btw, use that to gain control of the news media and educational system in this country to spread culturally Marxist propaganda on our society.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jews earn their distinctions.

            Cultural Marxism does not exist. It is nothing more than a derogatory term for social liberalism. Social liberalism is not a conspiracy. It has become the consensus.

          • Epiminondas

            Are you part of that “consensus”?

          • JohnEngelman

            Not really. I have always disliked the sexual revolution.

          • John R

            Consensus? According to whom? Where we asked to vote on allowing minorities preferential treatment over Whites in college admissions and employment? Did we vote to become a soon to be minority in our own country? And finally, you say that:

            “Cultural Marxism does not exist. It is nothing more than a derogatory term for social liberalism.”
            You got that backwards: Social liberalism is just a complimentary term for Cultural Marxism.

          • JohnEngelman

            I know a thing or two about the Marxist movement. I have known and liked members of the American Communist Party, and the Socialist Workers’ Party. I participated in a seminar on Das Kapital given by the Washington, DC chapter of CPUSA.

            In the United States Marxism has not been fashionable since the War in Vietnam. Even then it was a minority persuasion in the anti war movement.

          • Beloved Comrade

            I think we should a take a vote as to whether Engelman should be banned.

          • Strike_Team

            Ignore the troll. The remark on the sexual revolution is particularly hilarious. One can assume there is a problem in that area, being half a century on the planet and still pulling the eeny, meeny, miny, mo game when trying to figure out what to finally pin the tail on to finish college.

          • My only serious gripe about most Jews is their love of gun-control laws.

          • HamletsGhost

            When you hear “gun control”, think “Goy control”.

          • Black Swan

            Another thread hijack to divert attention to your opinion that Whites are inferior and should allow Jews to lord over us.

            What is your point here, John?

            I keep getting notices to donate to this site. I’d like you to give me a reason why I should when all I see here on these threads is your anti-White posts that MY and others’ donations support.

            If you want to gloat about Asians or Jewish superiority why don’t you head over to a site that is specifically for them and post away.

            You are the type that thinks that Whites should have nothing for themselves…including a homeland for their children. That makes you an anti-White monster.

          • Epiminondas

            Popular among those Norwegian yahoos, aren’t you?

          • Michigan Patriot

            I am appreciative of that fact. Jews also gave the world Christianity and my soul is most appreciative of that fact !

          • Mergatroyd

            Want to know how they feel about you?

            “My opinion of Christian Zionists? They’re scum. But don’t tell them that. We need all the useful idiots we can get right now.”

            –Benjamin Netanyahu, Israeli Prime Minister

          • JohnEngelman

            That quote has gone viral on the internet, but it is not attributed to a credible source. Even if Benjamin Netanyahu feels that way, which I doubt, he has more sense than to say that publically.

          • Mergatroyd

            He absolutely said it, no matter how much you wish to deny it. Jews aren’t our friends. Here’s another quote by your hero and savior from the tribe your worship:

            “Once we squeeze all we can out of the United States, it can dry up and blow away”

            – Benjamin Netanyahu

            That was Benjamin Netanyahu’s comment to Jonathan Pollard (convicted traitor & spy) upon exiting Pollard’s jail cell.

            Netanyahu repeatedly makes comments like these and yet we still consider Israel an ally. The US citizens need to make like 1776 or 1860 & secede from Israel.

          • JohnEngelman

            If Benjamin Netanyahu made these statements, attribute them to credible sources.

          • Mergatroyd

            Why should I help you with anything, anti-White? You want to put an end to my race through race replacement with Jews and Asians.

            That makes you an anti-White monsters.

            Here’s the proof, in your own words for everyone to see:

            — The thought of you losing your job to a more intelligent Jew or Oriental is pleasing to me. As time goes on there will be more of that.

            — I like ethnic diversity

            What Jewish lies?

            The Ashkenazim are the most superior race in existence. That is the truth.

            — What matters is not race. What matters is IQ.

            — Miscegenation is the coming trend. There is not point in even trying to reverse it.

            — Get used to it. In the future inter racial marriage will be even more common.

            — History is moving against you. America is becoming more multi racial, more multi ethnic, and more meritocratic. There is nothing white nationalists can do about. One gets places in politics by getting in front of popular issues. One does not get places by fighting for lost causes.

            — John Engelman.

            h/t Celestial Times

          • JohnEngelman

            You forgot to add my new comments to your list. To save you the time to look for them, I will repeat them:

            One of the most fascinating friends I ever had was a black college professor who taught at Howard University.

            My two best friends in high school were Chinese Americans.

            I love Jews, Judaism, and Israel.

          • expitch

            OK, that’s a fact. On some of your other “facts,” check out my response to you on the May 7 thread. I invite other interested posters to so as well.

        • Intrep1d

          Take it easy. He stated a fact from the article, without judgement of it being good or bad. It is what it is. In this case, it would discredit the alternative headline.

      • Bossman

        That is because they are less distracted by others things. They don’t drink or try drugs (thier bodies are intolerant of alcohol). They don’t listen to loud music. They don’t play much sports. I’ve even heard that they don’t get excited while viewing porn. The ability to do math requires a high degree of concentration.

        • JohnEngelman

          Those sound like admirable characteristics.

          • Bossman

            It couldd be genetic defects that they are useing to their advantage. The inability to properly metabolize alcohol is actually a genetic defect.

          • JohnEngelman

            Have you ever heard of sake? Orientals frequently drink alcohol, but they are less susceptible to alcoholism. This is a genetic benefit.

          • Japanese like drinking. Koreans quite a bit, but Chinese not so much. When I was loaned to a Japanese chemical company in 1994, they found my capacity for alcohol quite alarming, but in my own defense, I was drinking at sea-level.

          • Bartek

            Um, you want to quote the study that lends evidence to that claim?

          • Bartek

            It is not a defect, it is just a difference (strangely enough occurring along “lines” of the allegedly non existent/social construct “races”).

          • Bossman

            As I understand it, Chinese, Koreans, Japanese, etc. never turn red in the face except when they drink alcohol then they turn very red. The alcohol goes straight into the blood stream without first being broken down in the gut and liver. In that state it is still essentially a poison in the body.

          • Alcohol always goes straight through the stomach lining into the bloodstream, and only then to the liver. The problem many east Asians have with booze is that their livers produce a less-efficient enzyme, so they STAY drunk.

          • Bossman

            And their faces turn very red which they don’t like.

          • Black Swan

            Who cares? Why don’t you take your comments to an Asian site and discuss it there?

            What does any of that have to do with White interests?

            This is a White forum…or at least it used to be and comments that hijack the thread, like yours, deleted.

            I do not wish to discuss Asians.

            Is there anyone else here who agrees?

          • Anon

            What does the word “characteristics” imply. Learned and chosen habits of character. Do not confuse this with genetic predisposition or inborn traits. White people are a race. What we have, what we are and what we’ve built is a function of something beyond our control. It’s a legacy. An inheritance.
            Which has been squandered by several generations now of extremely poor choices.
            The Asians have less than us. They ARE less than us, as a group. But they have made far, far, FAR better choices than whites, possibly because they have less and hence, value what they have more.
            My point. From a racial standpoint, miscegenation is good for them…bad for us. But from an individuals standpoint, a white man has a lot to gain by choosing an Asian woman…perhaps everything.
            White nationalists are likely to have a problem with this. My reply is go have a gaggle of daughters, raise them well and pair them off with good men.

          • Maximus

            Indeed.

        • Bartek

          Aren’t Asians into Hentai and tentacle porn?
          And the unmentionable sacred tribe get off on the Wall Street Journal and left wing subversion.
          Every breed has kinks.

        • Black Swan

          That’s wonderful. Then they don’t need to flood into White countries, do they? They have countries of their own — in a place called ASIA — where they can do whatever they want, pollute, kill those they don’t like, pretend they are superior to Whites while stealing White technology, etc.

          We Whites aren’t massively flooding into Asian countries demanding citizenship, rights, respect, our language be spoken and displacement of the native population are we? If it’s not right for US Whites to do this, why is it OK for Asians to invade White lands?

          Or are you an anti-White who supports the genocide of the White race through population replacement of native Whites, loss of White homelands and resources?

          Let them stay there and leave us Whites alone in our own countries.

      • APaige

        John,
        You forget to mention about the tie in reading.

        • JohnEngelman

          Many Orientals in the United States speak English as a second language, so I am not surprised that they do not get better test scores than whites in reading.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            John while I’m not debating Japanese or Korean slightly higher non verbal IQ scores there are many possible reasons why East Asians have more patient applications then Europeans. 1. Maybe East Asians are more inventive then Caucasians or it could be their numerical advantage. 2. What % are actually original inventions vs. improvements on existing products? 3. Maybe the Patient process in Japan is less stringent then USA or Europe. South Koreas are so clever yet cannot manage their own military affairs, Japan tried to out white the white man in WW2 and lost, neither has much of a space program. So before you spout Asian Supremacy, have all the facts. But then again maybe the Japanese are having the last laugh…

          • Chip Carver

            Asian “patent” laws are different. They are granted patents for things that would never fly in the US. They can get a patent for someone else’s invention merely by adding an extra screw.

            The Clinton Administration, under heavy pressure from Japan, China, Israel, yes this is all fact, changed the way the patent system was run here in the US. This left inventors, especially independent, doing it on their own guys out in the breeze. The Japanese or Koreans for example, can now look at items going through the process here in the US, and simply run off with the ideas. When Americans have fought this, they find themselves putting up with backdated “proof” from all of the usual suspects, and armies of judges and arbitrators of a certain ilk who in knee-jerk fashion go against every white male plaintiff who’s been blatantly robbed.

            As for grades and test scores, imagine what would happen if whites as a group put in as much time studying as do Asians, or even half as much time. The fact that whites are doing as well as they are is actually quite amazing.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Thanks Chip, I was trying to read up on Patient Laws but a lot of the material was to complex, Any sites that explain the process and compare different countries laws in layman’s terms like International Patient Law for dummies… I agree while John considers Asian docility a positive attribute disagree because this docility allows places like North Korea to exist. Whites are on average more aggressive then Asians but they are also more compassionate and excel at thinking outside the box.

          • Bartek

            Does it really matter when both Whites and Asians have below replacement birth rates?
            The Bonobos will inherit the Earth not the patent holders.

          • Bubble Burster

            “Earlier we had noted that the tests used to select NMS semifinalists actually tilted substantially against Asian students by double-weighting verbal skills and excluding visuospatial ability, but in the case of Jews this same testing-bias has exactly the opposite impact”

            Ron Unz
            –The Myth of American Meritocracy

          • Chip Carver

            Visuospatial ability is NOT as important as verbal ability once you get away from memorization etc. It can give you an advantage in certain areas of computation or a head start in some areas of math, but as you get to the pinnacle of most areas of science, math, anything, you need to be able to indulge in divergent thinking, in being able to link seemingly unrelated ideas. You can have the greatest visuospatial ability on earth, but if you aren’t creative, and you can’t think outside the box or bring a number of unrelated images or ideas into your thought process to set you off in some direction that will prove to be inventive, high visuospatial ability won’t get you more than a good test score or a decent paying job as a grunt in a tech field.

            Here you can find a lot of interesting info regarding Verbal Intelligence – along with Affirmative Action, and certain myths posted by middle aged trolls going for their Phd while living in mom’s basement; http://www (dot) affirmativeactionhoax (dot) com/additions/ One interesting thing people pick up from this is how a huge, huge, huge percentage of the Asian whiz kids tail off in terms of being so far ahead of everyone else in terms of grades and test scores during college – sure, the bad students are out the door, but then you look at the averages for whites and Asians looking to get into Law School or Medical School and the test scores are not what the trolls want you to see, and one look tells you why they would never mention them.

          • Math skills without verbal skills is like bricks without mortar.

            It has been found that g-loaded tests of verbal skills, either of individuals or group averages, are better predictors of individual or group success, respectively, then g-loaded test results overall or g-loaded visuospatial/math tests alone.

            I’m an old math prodigy from back in my school days who is doing a job that only requires simple arithmetic in its mathematics demands, but requires a whole lot of me verbally.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Agreed, I always tell PhD’s I don’t see the words IQ anywhere on your degree…

      • Triarius

        “Whites” are grouped in with middle easterns, west Aisians, central Asians, and north Africans in this category, it is not surprising that this is the result, not to mention white hispanics. Wake me up when east Asians start inventing things.

        • JohnEngelman

          Japanese have more patent applications every year than Americans. South Koreans have more than all of the Europeans.

          • Triarius

            I can file for 5000 patents tomorrow, it does not mean my race is smarter.

          • Chip Carver

            Asian patent laws are different as I stated above – they can literally add a sticker to your invention, claim it as original and run with it. The trolls know this.

          • Bob Dole

            Still waiting for them to invent something, instead of just taking something a White guy invented and making it smaller and more efficient.

          • 1stworlder

            They did invent fireworks/gunpowder before us but that was the last time they beat us.

          • AutomaticSlim

            Maybe European inventiveness is down because of left wing socialism?

            South Korea is a very hard country, where the government does not take care of you. The government provides good heath care if you have a sore throat or a sprained leg, but if you have cancer, you are on your own. This hard way of life forces the people to work very long hours and save up. Many Koreans want to own a business and they will work very hard for a long time to get it. This hungry attitude fosters an environment for invention.

            Western Europe’s cradle to grave safety net fosters an environment of laziness. It’s a real shame, as Western Europe was the light of the world for so long. To be taken down by liberals, socialists and Marxists is truly a crime against humanity.

          • Bubble Burster

            “Patent Applications.”

            What percentage turn into useful products?

          • JP Rushton

            Very few if any. Patent trolls are getting out of control.

          • JohnEngelman

            Consumer electronics and automobiles that set the standard for quality.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Disagree, before the regulations to make US automobiles lighter and more fuel efficient they were some of the best made cars in the world, that’s why you see so many cars built before the mid 70’s still on the road. However I am sure Unions played a role in this too.
            Heard of W. Edward Deming, the American who taught the Japanese his theories on manufacturing and Jump started the Japanese economy…

          • JohnEngelman

            Because Detroit insisted on producing gas guzzlers Americans came to prefer the better constructed cars of Japan.

          • Detroit had trouble shifting to smaller cars. The Corvair was an early attempt at an American economy car. It had a rear-mounted air-cooled four-cylinder engine like that in the VW Beetle, but Ralf Nader unfairly smeared it. There was also the Studebaker Lark, though this had a I-6 or small V-8.

            I think Detroit’s biggest problem in the early 1970s was the miserable relationship between management and the union, which led to assembly workers sabotaging the vehicles. This didn’t get them anywhere with management, but did convince the US consumer to look to Europe and Japan for automobiles.

          • So CAL Snowman

            The Japanese also built a nuke plant on top of an active fault line. . .

          • All of Japan is active. They went wrong at Fukushima by installing the emergency diesel generators at ground level instead of on the roofs.

        • Intrep1d

          This is less about comparing Asians and Whites, and more about how resources are being dumped into the black hole of increasing black and Latino academic achievement.

        • 1stworlder

          They invented copyright piracy. No other race has been caught stealing hybrid seeds, from Dupont because Gergor Mendel figured out how to make hybrid seeds back in the middle ages.

      • indoctrination_FAIL

        In view of long-ongoing and pervasive institutionalized book-cooking, not only by our leaders, but plausibly by certain commenters on this very site–maybe even this very thread!–I challenge the notion that “Pacific Islanders'” scores in academics are in any way remarkable, at least in a positive way, compared to those of white students who might be unlucky enough to share classes with them. I propose that they are, in fact, a drag on their Oriental “co-ethnics” [somebody wishes!].

        • JohnEngelman

          It is wrong to combine scores for Pacific Islanders with those of Chinese, Koreans, and Japanese.

          • indoctrination_FAIL

            Yes, you get it.

          • Chip Carver

            Pacific Islander and SE Asian IQ scores are added to the mix with E Asians when some people try widen the SD (Standard Deviation) of “Asian IQ” scores. They get rid of the PI and SE Asian scores when going for an “Asian” average. It’s a game. When people speak of intelligent Asians, it’s the E. Asians they’re thinking of. I do agree that Pacific Islander scores should not be combined with those of E. Asians. But the folks in charge have their agendas. Just as when they combine the scores of non-whites with those of Europeans in the US (and elsewhere) to come up with “averages” for whites.

        • Anon

          I’ll put it right on the line….as someone who did his Master’s thesis on IQ and had the result published in a prestigious peer-reviewed journal. There is no difference in “intelligence” between someone with 100 IQ and someone with 140 IQ. Both are “normal” in the colloquial sense (although not the statistical sense).
          IQ is simply not a trait one has an amount of, is the very real issue. It’s not like a benchpress, where someone who presses a 100 pounds is nowhere near as strong as someone who presses twice that.
          IQ is exactly what it was designed to be. A normative test. What is a normative test? It’s a yes/no test for if a subject is like everyone else (ie normal). It’s essentially a yes/no test looking to separate the educable and the trainable from those who it would be waste of time, effort and money on.
          It was created at a time when most people were not educated and few people needed to or even desired to know such things as how to read. And to the extent they learned, they did so for religious reasons (so they could read the Bible). MANY people back then read nothing but the Bible.
          No one understood something that is obvious today. Almost all white people. Indeed, most people of all races are “normal”. And almost all blacks are….not.
          In a free and equal society, some people are more “equal” than others. And to discover that southern hayseeds and hicks, were in fact, of the same potential as the Harvard educated….oh the horror.
          So the myth was born that higher IQ was better. But, you know what….no it’s not. Higher IQ just means you are better at the specific skills of the test….which are pretty random and unrelated to mental skills and behaviors.
          And really….that is the point of your post. Horror of horrors….Asians and pacific islanders are “just like us”. Which is to say, they can function, for the most part, in a first world society and benefit from training and education (something 99% of Africans can not). Which is to say. Separate the world population into two groups and they are on our side, not the other.
          Important information. But in order to understand it, let alone do something useful with it, you have to give up the foolish conceit that you can fill out a few forms, do a few tricks in front of a “professional” and somehow prove you are better than the next guy.

          • Brian

            I’ll put it right on the line….as someone who did his Master’s thesis
            on IQ and had the result published in a prestigious peer-reviewed
            journal.
            ===
            I hope that your writing, and thinking, were better in that journal article than what is on display in your post here.

          • Chip Carver

            A person who scores 100 on an IQ test is likely not going to be a standout in any endeavor requiring high mental ability or agility.

            IQ tests don’t test everything, they can’t. They can’t test creativity or divergent thinking ability. But what they do test, they test fairly well.

            It is true the weight of the visuospatial and verbal portions of tests were changed in order to give a non-white group a higher average than whites. This was done decades ago, when the folks who love to hate whites realized that they couldn’t find anything that showed IQ to be malleable in significant fashion.

        • 1stworlder

          North east Asians are whiteys only completion for civilization, and they have not beat us to anything since fireworks/gunpowder.

          • AutomaticSlim

            They are beating us at one other thing.
            Putting themselves first!
            No AA programs and special treatment for blacks and others in Japan and Korea. And no self destructive laws like the 1965 immigration act.

          • Black Swan

            amen. On this very thread. I’ve scrolled all the way down here and the discussion is STILL ABOUT ASIANS, NOT WHITES.

            At what point to AR comments wish to discuss White issues. This thread was hijacked right at the top and is still hijacked right here.

            I do not wish to discuss Asian issues and those who do should find a pro-Asian site to do so, not a “supposedly” White issues forum.

      • Anon

        It doesn’t matter that Asians/pacific islanders scored high in math. They scored normal. Which is to imply that, should one choose a mate from one of these races, there is a good chance your children will be as smart as you are instead of retarded psychopaths which is the most likely result in a pairing with a negro. Even with as low as 10% negro, the person is much more likely to be a criminal than a college graduate. But pair with an Asian and the children are human and mostly white.
        This is an unavoidable issue because, while whites are genetically superior for the most part, our culture is extremely degraded and obviously our societies are about to die. Our women are mostly worthless. And by that I mean, at a minimum they refuse to reproduce and put little of their time, effort and energy into raising their families. But too often, no matter what you do, she will force the marriage to fail, harm (or kill….ie abort) your children. The sexual ideal among young white women has become a negro or drug addicted homosexual and the very last thing these women think about is having a family before age 50….then are surprised when that’s just not possible. Whoring around while stealing a good man’s money (and giving it bad men or the state) is what they are all about. Maybe 10% are an exception. Nowhere near enough to pair off with most white men who are still normal.
        You should say this openly as this has drastic implications for the white race and is unavoidable. The family oriented women are in eastern Europe and Asian countries like Thailand and the Philippines. If a white man is young, he should get a good Polish woman. But if he is 50+ or even 40+ and wants a family, it’s the Philippines and similar or nothing.
        Is that right or wrong. It no longer matters. It is unavoidable and the descendants of such unions will have real power (ie full white intelligence and abilities) unlike unions with non-human races….which will be parasites and eventually spark an overt hot world wide race war to deal with them.
        White people will have to deal with these issues. Like it or not. Agree with it or not. And quite frankly, these people outnumber those of a racist bent.
        Shem, Japeth and Cush. The three lines of Noah. One is cursed. One is white. The last…our Asian cousins are distant to us and less desirable than our own. But unlike the cursed and obviously EVIL black races, they are still “of us”.

      • I very much doubt the Samoans scored anywhere near Taiwanese.

      • AutomaticSlim

        If by Pacific Islanders you mean Samoans, Tongans, and the like, I can tell you they can be quite thuggish in their behavior. Back in the early nineties I lived in the SF Bay area on the peninsula, and their were many Pacific Islanders where I lived. They had street gangs and were affiliated with the Crips.

        • JohnEngelman

          The closer a racial group is to a neolithic way of life the higher its crime rate will be and the lower its average intelligence. Civilization selects for intelligence while removing those with criminal inclinations from the breeding population.

          • Intelligence also selects its own civilization. We were all once neolithic, but eventually floated at our own respective levels.

          • JohnEngelman

            Civilization breeds intelligent people.

          • JohnEngelman

            Primitive civilizations come first. They select for intelligence, so the population living in civilized countries becomes more intelligent as time goes on.

      • Bubble Burster

        “California contains nearly one-fifth of all American Jews, hence almost 60,000 Cohens, Kaplans, Levys, Goldens, Goldsteins, Goldbergs, Goldmans, and Golds, and this population produced only 4 NMS semifinalists”

        “across the 2000-odd top scoring California students in 2010, there was just a single NMS semifinalist named Cohen, and also one each for Levy, Kaplan, and a last name beginning with “Gold.” Meanwhile, there were 49 Wangs and 36 Kims, plus a vast number of other highly distinctive Asian names.”

        The Myth of American Meritocracy
        –Ron Unz

        • Chip Carver

          Yes, but you can bet most of those Jewish kids had no trouble getting into very good schools. Keeping out whites and Asians. And you can bet those Jewish kids were counted as “white” when student bodies numbers were presented, hence leading to complaints of “whites” getting favored treatment.

          You do have to wonder how a group that claims to be 2% of the population has enough kids, nationwide, year after year, to take up the huge number of seats that they do in US schools. The 2% claim, while swallowed hook, line, and sinker by WN’s, seems to be more of a fish tale, as noted by Mark Twain, and then also commented on by a few other prominent folks who made comments in the early part of the 20th century. Back when the Jews were encouraged by their own to hide their ethnicity during the census. And now, well, you can believe the story or maybe believe those who think the real percentage is probably somewhere as low as 5% or as high as 8%.

          Back to the California scores, you can bet that most of the whites, who were likely a significant number of the numerical majority of top scoring students, had to settle for their second, or third, or fourth choice of schools when it came to gaining admittance.

        • How many Scots were there? Plenty, I would bet.

      • Black Swan

        2nd post and you’ve hijacked the thread already to distract and divert it to your pet subject: Asian superiority over Whites.

        This was once a pro-white issues site, sadly that is no longer the case.

        I imagine the rest of this thread is about you demanding that everyone here accept your opinion that Asians should flood into White land, take over resources that rightly belong to White children and race-replace Whites.

        You obviously believe that White nations are proposition nations, Whites should replace themselves because we’re inferior, multiculturalism is best for Whites and that diversity is a strength for White nations, but not others.

        All that remains is for you to explain to those of us who come here to read about White issues why you hate Whites so much? We are a global minority and you want us to cede what we have and race replace ourselves.

        Why is that? Why do you support the genocide of the White race?

        Is this what this site has become? A forum for Whites to come to so we can be told by you constantly how inferior we are?

    • TruthBeTold

      U.S. high school seniors, whose school years have encompassed the
      sweeping education initiatives of two presidents, failed to demonstrate
      improvement in math or reading on a national exam.

      But only one President (Bush) continually has his name linked to one of the failed education initiatives.

      Does anyone refer to Obamas’ ‘Race to the Top’?

  • D.B. Cooper

    Are we supposed to be worried or something? All that matters is diversity, right?
    RIGHT?

  • Jim

    Why waste time analyzing this stuff? This is like spending scientific research money to see if the sky is still blue and the grass is still green.

    • JSS

      Because if we stop analyzing this stuff many vibrant minorities and feminist would be out of work..and White people might start analyzing this like the biological reality of race and how to colonize Mars. The parasites who feed off of us have a vested interest in making sure that never happens.

      • Black Swan

        Finally, I’m all the way down here and it seems commenters have FINALLY stopped discussing Asians, which is a complete waste of time on a pro-White issues site.

        This thread was hijacked by a troll on the second post and others bought into it. I see thread hijacking in favor of Asians this a lot on this forum, but not on other White issues sites. Could that be why so many great White posters have left here? They’re sick of pro-Asians hijacking threads on a White issues site?

        I don’t know about you, but I do not want to discuss Asians with people who are so pro-Asian that it’s as if they’re brainwashed. In fact, I do not wish to discuss Asians at all on a pro-White forum.

    • 1stworlder

      some of the grass is blue, in fact there is even some brown spots.

  • What interested me from this year’s NAEP results, and the reaction to them, are these two things:

    1. While NAEP results are flat, high school graduation rates are higher than ever. The real scandal in that is that high school diplomas are being given out like candy.

    2. Even though this year’s class of seniors have spent their entire academic life under either NCLB or Race to the Bottom, and of course there were plenty of pie in the sky educational schemes even before that, including but not limited to Outhouse Based Education, it is said that, in spite of NCLB and “Race” not amounting to anything, the solution is full speed ahead with Commune Core.

    • APaige

      Does anyone know what the proficiency level of Blacks in Math/reading? They changed scope from level of proficiency to gap points.

      • Urbane Neanderthal

        nationsreportcard(dot)gov/reading_math_g12_2013/#/

      • Urbane Neanderthal

        Reading:

  • Alexandra1973

    Hey, maybe if you donate a dollar to help a local teen graduate at Taco Bell, maybe we’ll see some progress!

    (Note the sarcasm.)

  • Tom Thumb

    There are three groups in our country now. The first group does useful work, the second group does useless work and the third group of course doesn’t work at all. The second and third groups are the majority and growing all the time. The second groups main function is to obstruct the first groups endeavors and the third group only cares about free stuff. Both the second and third groups hate all useful people.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      It’s a gibs me dat kind of culture for group three. Group two processes and files the paperwork. Group one is bleed for cash repeatedly.

    • Terra Magnum Imperium

      Disagree Tom Thumb, why bite the hand that feeds you?

      • Tom Thumb

        They don’t bite the hand. Deep down they know what’s up and they hate knowing they’re useless. so if they hate themselves, they also hate anyone who is useful and providing them with what they need to live.

    • James Bro

      They hate the useful people but love what they get for doing, contributing and affecting society in a completely negative way but love the free stuff and love flaunting the fact they get more and more as the years progress. I believe they feel as though society couldn’t get by without them. If they only knew the truth.

  • willbest

    Obviously the solution is to throw more money at the problem. Particularly at administrators, victim studies workers, and curriculum producers.

    • Urbane Neanderthal

      And we need more diversity because blacks can’t be educated except in white schools in white neighborhoods.

  • So CAL Snowman

    Of course high school seniors in the Former United States fail to show progress in reading and mathematics. If they stopped regressing, the extremely psychotic left wouldn’t be able to squeal and howl for more money. I’m not saying that blacks and browns are capable of achieving at any meaningful rate, but it’s pretty obvious that “Commie Core,” “No Child Left Behind,” etc. are designed to dumb down the curriculum and produce generations of dull witted conformists who have no ability to think for themselves. Basically, the intentional lack of success in our high schools results in the transfer of more wealth away from the productive White class to the parasitic browns and blacks.

    “Education Secretary Arne Duncan said the U.S. must do better for its students, especially African-American and Latino pupils.”

    Translation : Pay up Whitey, your “fair share” isn’t enough.

    • Peter Connor

      Communist Core must be aimed at dumbing down Whites and Asians, excpt of course those who are in private schools (all the elite’s kids) or home schooling.

      • 1stworlder

        It seems to be designed to lower the capacity for critical thinking.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      The fact that they’ve dumbed it down and they STILL can’t pass is fairly sad but not too surprising.

      • It is completely unsprising, once one realizes this is a race to the bottom.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Indeed, and this race to the bottom is just like the one that took ships such as Titanic, Bismark and submarines such as the Thresher and Kosmolets to the sea floor. Namely free fall that takes everyone aboard down with them to a violent impact with the bottom. Of course the evil men and women who are behind this made sure their children are not being dragged down with the educational undertow of their own making.

    • ViktorNN

      No Child Left Behind was a conservative Republican attempt to establish sort of a baseline of education that all U.S. kids get, and then be able to demand accountability from teachers and administrators when kids don’t succeed.

      The problem was that it set off this teach-to-the-test style of teaching which has made primary schools into stifling conformity factories.

      The teach-to-the-test style doesn’t work for hispanics and blacks because they can only achieve up to a certain level – beyond that level you’re just throwing good money after bad.

      For whites the teach-to-the-test style is everything we hate about school. Rote learning, standardization, tedious, boring and creativity killing – these things are fundamentally at odds with the white people’s innate approach to learning.

      Asians, on the other hand, love tests, so they thrive in test taking factories.

  • JohnEngelman

    This of course is what Arthur Jensen predicted in his February 1969 article in the Harvard Educational Review, which was titled “How Much Can We Boost IQ and Scholastic Achievement?”

    He predicted “not much.” Since then vast sums of money have been wasted in attempts to boost IQ and scholastic achievement.

    If you pour a pint of water into a cup the cup does not grow. You waste a cup of water.

    • Truth Teller

      IQ is not innate. The potential is within everyone. It can rise via selective breeding. If you breed the smallest dogs of a litter and then breed the smallest of those together and so on, you go on to create runts.

      • Peter Connor

        IQ is very innate, and a ceiling. All you can do is help reach that ceiling.

        • Truth Teller

          IQ can be bred for just like any other trait. Dog breeds were created via breeding for traits. Subgroups of dogs such as runts are created from breeding for traits. Those who regress towards the mean and aren’t suited for breeding runts are simply taken out of the gene pool and not further bred.

          • GeneticsareDestiny

            IQ can be bred for, certainly, by breeding intelligent women with intelligent men, and removing the stupidest offspring from the gene pool.

            But IQ is inherent in an individual. No amount of education is going to change an 80-IQ man into a 100-IQ man.

    • Urbane Neanderthal

      You can give a Caucasian kid an education in a dirt floored one room school and he can become POTUS.

      You can give an African kid the best educational facility and staff known, and there’s still a 50-50 chance he’ll still have a below 70 IQ.

      • 1stworlder

        The sad thing is that Plato, Socrates, Da Vinci, Copernicus, and Galileo would all be willing to cut out one of their eyes to gain the knowledge available in a public library in Detroit.

        • FlaVet

          They still have a liberry?

          • dcc2379

            Of course, else how will the populace get free Internet?

  • ncpride

    Education Secretary Arne Duncan said the U.S. must do better for its students, especially African-American and Latino pupils.

    Of course. It’s always on someone else to ‘do’ more for these perpetual failures and not that THEY need to do more. Where is his concern for the gap in the Asian and White scores?

    • Peter Connor

      What about their parents, or parole officers?

      • FlaVet

        One and the same?

  • JSS

    I have said this before but the best to way to resolve this until we have a homeland is to bestow PHDs in every academic field to blacks upon birth. We have birthright citizenship so why not birthright PHDs as well.

    • Tarczan

      My plan is much cheaper. Just give all the darkies those super large black glasses all the sports guys wear. They will all look like geniuses.

  • 4321realist

    “Despite the highest high school graduation rate in our history, and despite growth in student achievement over time in elementary school and middle school, student achievement at the high school level has been flat in recent years,”

    Does he know that bragging about having a high graduation rate when they get certification just for showing up doesn’t mean anything?

    What good is having a 100% graduation rate if they do math on a 4th grade level and read at about the same?

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      Try math on a 2nd to 3rd grade level and reading on a fifth or possibly sixth grade level – if you’re very lucky. Most can’t do simple arithmetic in their heads. A fairly wealthy black client, maybe mid thirties to early forties, asked me what 20 percent of $250,000. was. I tried to make it look like it took me a few seconds to figure it in my head. This is what we’re graduating these days.

      • 1stworlder

        What kind of affirmative action job did he have?

        • FlaVet

          CPA?

        • Tarczan

          V-P of human resources?

  • Alex Y.

    Considering that I’ve met some pretty dumb white high school seniors, it actually frightens me that black and Hispanic students could – on the whole – be even dumber. If only I could find some anecdotes of life in inner city schools to make me both laugh and cry.

    • FlaVet

      Take Rutgers grads…..they put their diplomas in the windshield of their cars so they can park in the handicap spots.

    • SaggyGenes

      Do a search for “What It’s Like to Teach Black Students” by Christopher Jackson.

  • Peter Connor

    We are doing a great job graduating illiterates! Progress!

    • dcc2379

      At least, grin grin, we raised the graduation rate!

  • cherrie greenbaum123

    “The achievement gap between black and white students has remained steady at about 30 points in math from 2005 to 2013. The score gap between blacks and whites in reading widened by 5 points from 1992 to 2013.”
    The wonders never cease!

  • rmk948

    This information is disturbing for reasons that have nothing to do with race. White and Asian scores are, at best, nothing to write home about. Either the test is ridiculously hard or (more likely) we are screwing the pooch educationally in some fundamental way.

    • Bob Dole

      Actual teaching is at the bottom of the list for today’s government schools. They primarily serve as a means to give easy, well-paying jobs to liberals and women and free daycare to single mothers.

    • Ed

      I suspect many of the seniors are blowing the test which is absolutely meaningless to them.

  • Ella

    Just stand at a cash register and offer change to even the bill. I have to do the basic math often enough for correct change and explain what I did. AT LEAST, the US schools can teach basic applied math for life skills.

    • dcc2379

      Brought to you by the same people that have been to all 57 states.

  • [Guest]

    Why not be done with it? Just lower the standards some more, further redefine the terms, continue monkeying with the statistics, make academic fraud commonplace, and then pronounce that the achievement gap is closed at last.

    • FlaVet

      Or do it like Philly…..teach them how to cheat…an organized systemic practice of fraud to boost the fraudulent grades. Would anyone want one of these idiots doing surgery on you?

    • Puggg

      But then a whole cottage industry dedicated to narrowing the achievement gap will have to disband.

      • FlaVet

        Don’t worry…they can be employed in their local unemployment offices signing them up for welfare.

  • none of your business

    Blacks and hispanics who read at 3rd grade and do 2nd grade math still get affirmative action well pad jobs,college admissions and BS, MS and PHD degrees so what is the problem? As long as we have affirmative action, no job applicant need know how to read at any low level.

    If the companies were truly interested in getting qualified employees, they would have donated some of the millions they have donated to affirmative action law suits and anti White non profits like ACLU SPLC ADL etc over the years to fighting affirmative action.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Worst of all, because women in general are often looking for a man who can give them security, these AA job holders are able to obtain white mates far above their pay grade, resulting in more mulattos with the worst traits of both races, and the further decimation of the white race. And for that same reason. whites should boycott professional sports, and eschew all thing hip-hop. Why contribute to our own destruction?

  • No math, No problem. Being proficient in math and the physical sciences is a curse. It simply means that you will be clumped with all those other green card holders such as Indian scientists and engineers. You will be paid very little and will do calculational grunt work for the Diversity Studies Creatives and decision-makers.

    It is akin to being an expert horse bridle maker in the 1920’s, when the model T-‘s (early automobiles) were rolling out. American society has evolved beyond the old “industrio-mechanical” days of needing US scientists and engineers. Thus there really is no need for a creative or decision-maker to do the menial grunt work of calculating.

    • Andy

      We’re up the creek if we don’t have scientists and engineers in our society. And we don’t want to import them.

  • Brian

    Arne Duncan appears to be more idiotic than is usual even for federal employees.

  • ViktorNN

    The next 20 or 30 years will be interesting.

    What we’re going to see is more money and more effort spent on education than ever before in this country’s history, and despite all this, testing scores overall will begin to fall.

    After all, Asians and whites can only score so well – the drag effect will be the ever growing numbers of blacks and hispanics.

    At some point the elephant in the room will be impossible to ignore. The fact will be staring everyone in the face – the new, brown America simply won’t have the genetic stuff to achieve what the white America of the past did.

    They will have their “transformation” and their victory over whites. What they will have won will be a husk of an old country that they didn’t build and which they can’t recreate. No matter how hard they try they won’t be able to keep “America” going – because they aren’t the people who created America!

    Of course, I weep for our white descendants who will have to watch all this on the sidelines, dispossessed in the country their ancestors built. They will curse us.

    • IstvanIN

      The history of “From Rhodesia to Zimbabwe” will be our history as well.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      You cannot educate the uneducable, and you cannot fix violent, and stupid either. At least that is not possible in the classroom. Their “victory” will be a Pyrrhic victory, first when they start to starve to death and die of disease in droves due to their inability to run anything. Even larger numbers will then die of white’s bullets finishing the job. We will get our revenge, and we will do it by killing off all of them in our lands. It’s either them, or us. They will fire the first shots, we will win the war.

    • Andy

      The whites will not be able to hold their own, either.

      First, we’ve got the fact that most smart whites, especially women, have no or few children. All except one of the young white parents I know are unintelligent and many are rude, promiscuous, lazy, and even criminal. My generation on my mother’s side contains ten adults. Two are college-aged women, four are women in their mid to late twenties, and the others are men ranging from twenty to twenty-four. Three have advanced degrees, two have bachelor’s degrees, and two more will be getting their bachelor’s in the next month or so. The only one with no college (and no job) is also the only one with children. She’s on her third and has abandoned the first two. My male relatives have plenty of time, but my bright, beautiful female relatives are choosing promising careers over raising another generation. It is likely that the least responsible of our generation will be the most fertile.

      Second, our schools are terrible, so we will probably not even live up to our reduced mental capacity. I volunteered recently at an almost-completely-white, middle-class school. Not one of the third-graders could multiply by the end of the year, and most could not do multiple-digit addition and subtraction. The wealthy white kids that populated my college classes could not do the basic writing and math that being elementary teachers required of them. They were not incapable. They were simply uneducated, and likely past the age where this could be remedied.

      • ViktorNN

        In general I agree with you that the outlook for the future of white people in the U.S. is bleak, but I disagree somewhat with your characterization of white kids today.

        My experience is very different than yours. The white third graders I know are learning math more quickly and at a higher level than I was as a kid. They write exceptionally well compared to when I was a kid. There’s no doubt that there are teaching methods today which are much better than those of the past – you just have to find a school that practices them. The reason for the difference you and I are seeing is probably due to quality of schools in different parts of the country. The public education system in this country is a real hodgepodge and very hit and miss.

        All this is just to point out that a white parent who wants to do right by their kids has to take a much more active role in preparing them for adulthood than perhaps they had to in the past. Good education is out there – you just have to go out and get it. Sadly, far too many white families don’t and the children of these families are destined to be blended into the brown underclass or to become serfs for non-whites who have nothing but contempt for them.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    Dudewheresmyposts? AR censors without justification. You have a troll yet you censor others. Fire this moderator Jared, your staff has been infiltrated. My respect for this site and who controls it has left the building.

    • William Krapek

      You mean Engelman? Yeah. He hates White people.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        He hates himself. He has admitted he is a pedofile and a self loathing troll. Let’s see what happens with AR defending it’s moderator’s actions tonight… I’ll know for sure soon if I have a new enemy to crush. Choose your next words wisely AR.

        • William Krapek

          Yeah I really don’t know what’s going on with them and him. And it’s a mystery to me what he gets out of rubbing our noses into myths about White v. Jewish and White v. North Asian intelligence.

          I used to buy into them. Now I just think they’re pathetic.

          • DudeWheresMyCountry?

            All they had to do was ban the troll, but they would rather censor the people fighting the good fight. Now I know we are not safe here. If this ship’s keel is crooked I will work to see it is sunk. I hope it was worth it AR.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            I never did, because as a Slav, I know the truth about both’s capacity for absolute evil.

          • Andy

            Some of the things I’ve read lately make me think average northeast Asian intelligence may be overestimated, but do you have a reason for thinking Jewish intelligence is?

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Yes, they massacred or forced most educated Slavs in particular when they took over Eastern Europe. My paternal grandparents were among them.

          • Andy

            Jews have certainly been (and still are) disproportionately involved in the delusional and evil movements that have been rocking our nations, but that seems an argument in favor of high intelligence rather than against it.

          • benvad

            They find comfort and protection in keeping the proprietors of the land busy with ethnic problems. That way the light isn’t always on them.

  • Tom Thumb

    There is another aspect to this. That is the state of technology. We’re at a point now we don’t need many people of high intellect to run things. So, all this ado about “education” is all an illusion. Places like Cal Tech. and MIT have plenty of genius’. What we don’t need is more so called educated people. Thus all these dumb college grads running around with their worthless degrees doing worthless work. And of course, the hordes of minorities who never had a chance in the first place, no matter what they learn or don’t learn. So the “discussion” of their abilities is mostly a sham at best.

  • none of your business

    You know John, I am surprised that you have not been charged hate crime for your use of the word Oriental. Around 40 years ago I believe, when those with Spanish last names and the federal courts created the designation hispanic, the orientals decided that oriental was a racial slur and created the designation asian.
    Oriental is now considered as much a racial slur as the NNNNNN word. Better watch it John, or your pals in SLPC ADL AJC will go after you.

    • JohnEngelman

      I care nothing for the restrictions of political correctness. I have even been told that the word “Negro” is derogatory, but I still use it. The preferred term, “African American,” has too many syllables for my taste.

      • WR_the_realist

        I’ve never understood why Oriental is supposed to be derogatory. The problem with “Asian” is that it includes many disparate people of very different races and cultures. Chinese, Japanese, Indians, Pakistanis, and Afghans are all “Asian”.

        • Andy

          I think part of the reason is that changing terms a lot shows who’s really committed to political correctness, even when there’s no euphemistic reason to do so. (Hence “Caucasian”.)

        • MikeofAges

          The level of censorship and anxiety about speech is so great that even legitimate terms get bleeped because of supposed racist connotations. In a forum following a sports article I referred to a particular football player as a having an “actual swivel-hipped running style”. I then carefully explained that this term was not racist but came into use in the early days of college football, when all of the players were white, including the “swivel hipped” runners. Never mind. Got bleeped anyway.

        • Strike_Team

          The Usual Suspects decided to make it politically incorrect when it was pointed out that they themselves were “Easterners”, meaning “Orientals”. The “Middle East” needed to stand out for reasons we can all surmise. This dovetails with the post from “StillModerated”. The Usual Suspects did not want to be identified as “Orientals”. They needed to be able to jump back and forth from “white” to…well, you know.

    • Intrep1d

      “Oriental” isn’t as derogatory as you think. It’s used in the UK to distinguish it from their own “Asians” (i.e., Indians, Pakistanis).

      • They call subcontinentals “Asian”. An east Asian with epicanthic eyefolds is “Oriental” in Britain. It is a useful distinction, but is considered impolite in the US.

        • Ella

          So is Orientalism art movement and Oriental furniture considered “racist” and improper speech now? How do they teach fine art courses today with the predominance of famous White male artists?

  • JohnEngelman

    During the 1950’s “Made in Japan” was something one would see on cheap toys that broke quickly.

    Americans laughed at “Made in Japan.” They stopped laughing during the 1970’s when the American consumer market was flooded with Toyota’s, Honda’s, and Sony’s.

    • Those Japanese companies hired US consultants who had once done NASA work for quality control.

      • JohnEngelman

        The Japanese had the sense to hire Americans. Some American Renaissance posters wish American corporations did not hire Orientals.

        • Black Swan

          Some American Renaissance posters wish, like you, for Whites to be race-replaced by Asians in White homelands.

      • foundingstockcracker

        Statistical Process Control. Most think of Deming,as he carried it to Japan after WWII, but was pioneered by Shewhart of Bell Labs during the ’20’s. We needed to help them you know.

    • Tom_in_Miami

      And it’s a good thing the Japanese did flood the market with Toyotas, etc. American quality had turned out clunkers that broke down as soon as you left the car lot. So the Japanese (who produce quite a lot of cars right here in the US) have a stack of money they can spend on expensive American beef and trips to Disneyland.

  • none of your business

    “Most states have received waivers under President Barack Obama, whose Race to the Top program has pledged $4.35 billion in state grants in four years to boost education standards.”
    Translation more $70,000 to $130,000 do nothing jobs for black and hispanic women and foreigners with IQs of 90, the geniuses of their race.

    • benvad

      That’s what Democratic Party is all about ( respect to their lobbyists “public unions”). Republicans have their favorites also, let’s not kid ourselves.

      Creating ‘do nothing’ jobs for unqualified non white morons, that’s the only way they’ll be middle class. So why would a black ever NOT vote for the Democrats, that’ll be killing their gravy train.

      That’s all anyone has to know about politics

      • MBlanc46

        Perhaps that’s not quite the whole story, but it’s a major part of it.

        • benvad

          It’s a payday for race hustlers suck as reverends Al & Jesse.

          • MBlanc46

            Race hustlers and gender hustlers and homosexual hustlers (that doesn’t sound right, but you know what I mean).

          • benvad

            Sorry, I forgot the holy trinity of shakedowns.

  • dcc2379

    As a teacher, I can unequivocally state that Robert Weissberg has hit the nail on the head. First, third world kids that go by hyphenated Americans are not only possessing less intelligence, they possess even less effort to learn. Second, whites have been infected with the sense of entitlement. In many schools today students sit while reading assignments are played in tape and just making it to your seat gives so much in participation, everyone will pass. Then these same students, for over a generation, have become today’s college graduates. The results are that not only are their bad students, there are bad teachers. Most new teachers today couldn’t have gotten custodial jobs in colleges of fifty years ago. Most do not read, do not care, and put forth the same effort at work as they did when they were at school. I didn’t even mention disparate impact: Game the system to pass hyphenated people, so you don’t get sued.

    • WR_the_realist

      Yes, one of the worst consequences of dumbing things down for the oppressed races (TM) is that white education got dumbed down with it. If you love your children, and you can’t find a really good and affordable private school, your only option is to home school your children.

      • kikz2

        white edu got dumbed down………not for the elites…. just for the masses…..

      • Ella

        Even private schools send cultural Marxist messages and also, accept expelled students from public schools. They are not always a good source of education. Both Baptist and Catholics churches, who take federal monies for their programs, are the worse in lobbying for open borders and refugee resettlement. Furthermore, you have to review their textbooks. They push Spanish and of course, refuse to teach French, German or Italian as language electives.

  • Maximus

    Sounds to good to be true.

  • Dale McNamee

    ” We need EVEN MORE funding of education ! ” /sarcasm

  • alwaysright21

    maff be RACEEZ! HONKY!

  • WR_the_realist

    Nearly all of our politicians and perhaps 75% of the public are still stupid enough to believe two things:

    1. The federal government knows how to improve public education, and can, for example, eliminate the black/white “gap” that has persisted for a century just by passing a law saying that it must be eliminated. King Canute was much more likely to succeed in preventing the tide from coming in.

    2. Spending even more money on schools will educate our children better.

    I live in a really stupid country.

    • Anonymous By Necessity

      The Federal government *is* working to reduce the White/black educational achievement gap.

      “Common Core” makes it so EVERYONE is confused and can’t learn anything.

      Overall scores go down (you’re not supposed to notice that) but the pernicious gap is eliminated!

      • Martel

        It helps teachers make subjective statements about who can pass and who can’t.

      • Tully

        I agree CC is designed to instill confusion and learned helplessness in students so they get discouraged and think learning is almost impossible.

        Now this won’t hurt Black or Mexican students because they are already posses moron level IQ’s and come from cultures that don’t value learning. Who it will hurt are average and above average IQ whites who will be made to feel stupid by the new curriculum and this is I believe the intent behind it.

        If you want to level the playing field this is the way to do it.

        One other thing, even if the teacher is a decent person concerned about their students their hands are tied, THEY HAVE TO FOLLOW the curriculum no matter what.

    • MBlanc46

      Real fantasists, at any rate.

  • WR_the_realist

    All of us who knew then that it would be a colossal waste of money were deemed “racists”. It doesn’t matter that we were right. The truth is no defense.

  • dd121

    Maybe we need separate schools for blacks with black only teachers. It might not solve their problem but it would solve ours.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      Libs tell us that blacks learn best from people who look like them, so I think you may be on to something there. Whites too. Let’s give it a try.

    • kikz2

      separate but equal.. only got whines of less monies being spent on them..imposing ‘robin hood’ on wealthier districts couldn’t even resolve it….

  • Alec Smarts

    If you looked at American athletics in say football, and said we have an athletics problem due to low achievement rates – and decided the way to fix it was to concentrate all your efforts on the smallest, weakest, skinniest, worst eyesight, and least coordinated kids in an effort to ‘close the achievement gap’ nobody in their right mind would have any expectations of your program having any success.

    But in academics, this is the state and national policy norm – and nobody thinks twice about this approach.

    Of course identify the top 50%, 25%, 10%, 1% etc and concentrate your efforts on boosting their academic achievement and you will see results in those individuals off the charts – which would of course bring up the averages.

    The dumb kids would still be dumb as a box of rocks. But society would be MUCH better off.

    Currently the entire federal education budget is $71 BILLION per year. Of this, I think the budget for gifted and talented students is just $10 million.

    • cherrie greenbaum123

      Way too much money wasted. Treat education like a commodity. Achieve, try hard, and gain access to it. Sleep through class, act up, pick fights, do drugs, and get sent back home to mommy. America will always need garbage men, janitors, maids, and bathroom attendants.

      • MBlanc46

        Alas, for those jobs you mention, we’ve taken to importing Mexicans to do the work that blacks used to do.

        • Ella

          There is now an “air” about having minorities filling these unskilled jobs. Then, the government keeps importing in more low wage labourers to fill low end positions that nonwhite immigrants should avoid due to class or ethnic oppression. The government is truly bordeline with serious “splits.”

  • Ariadne is almost seven, and I have taught her what to do with the remainder after long division in order to produce a decimal value: keep dividing.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      I’d say we’re both blessed, Mike.

  • Alucard_the_last

    It is because the curriculum has been dumbed down so blacks can feel better about being failures.

  • Bartek

    Who cares (union teachers wanting increased funding)?

    The only qualification the vast majority of Americans need to successfully navigate the “service economy” is an understanding of White Privilege and Social Justice.
    The main purpose of “education” is the social engineering of “culture” and the extension of adolescence to reduce the White birth rate.

    A 30-40% proficiency rate in mathematics represents an vast labor surplus above what American based corporations and governments will ever require from the indigenous labor pool.

    • Beloved Comrade

      The smarter and better educated the population is, the more likely they are to question what their overlords are doing and revolt. Better to eliminate the smart population (Whites) and flood their homeland with 70 IQ morons who are easier to control and do the bidding of the government commissars.

      Our issue is to stop the genocide of the White race. Discussing Asians endless, as Black Swan mentioned above, prevents us from focusing on the real issue facing the white race: Loss of our living space and a future for our White children.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Let’s face it. America needs to go on the couch, and fast. It needs to “find itself.”

      America needs to understand it is becoming a third world country and consists of competing ethnic groups with different aptitudes for higher learning. Whites and asians tend to excel in higher education, and blacks and hispanics, with a few exceptions, tend not to.

      The “war on racism,” affirmative action, quotas, and generating fraudulent test scores will not change the disparity. Never. So, America should just “accept itself,” allocate its resources accordingly, and move on.

      • Ella

        There is a real problem when you look at the number of White children within the next 20 years. There are so FEW White children to socialize with in the public sphere. If you can afford private country clubs and upper class neighbourhoods, then, you have less worries. You can just imagine what will happen to the White lower-income groups. It will be that bad.

  • The Vought F4U Corsair flew 400 mph in 1940. The Grumman F-6F Hellcat could clobber the Mitsubishi A6M2 in almost any sort of maneuver. The Lockheed P-38 Lightning had all guns on the centerline, with 500 rounds for each of four .50″ caliber machineguns and 150 rounds for the 20mm cannon. The North American P-51 Mustang was the best mass-produced fighter of the war. With the big, paddle-bladed propeller on the later P-47s, anything was in trouble against those.

    The only really good mass-produced foreign fighters were the Yak-7, Lavochkin-9, the Spitfire Mk-14 and the Focke-Wulf 190 Dora-9.

    The German jets like the Me-262 didn’t make any difference, so I leave those out.

  • Bartek

    The CIA claims 80% of the current US population is White.
    According to the CIA/Census Department/etc. Hispanic is not a race.
    With that in mind consider how meaningless the category of “White” race actually is in statistics provided by US government organizations.

  • Bartek

    Universal education standards and group performance measures are a product of egalitarian/Marxist delusions.

    Why in the world would every member of a society need to possess advanced math and language skills? Who determined that need? The Commissar of Peoples Education?

    Perhaps a more telling measure in a competitive society would examine the ability of the society to fully allow and enable individuals who have an inherent potential to meet that potential and excel.

    “We” wouldn’t need to squander resources on studying this, after all, the “proof would be in the pudding”.

    • Dale McNamee

      “Universal Education” makes everyone mediocre, if not stupid and uneducated…

  • John R

    And we wonder why the Chinese are catching up to us economically.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      The Chinese are not catching up to us economically. We’re sinking down to their level because of endless, massive third world immigration and the outsourcing of manufacturing in order to reduce costs.

    • benvad

      Look how they deal with minorities. We used to behave in a similar fashion with respect to the “other”

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    “I am the fortunate grandfather of 7 White grandchildren–soon to be 8–when my youngest daughter has her first.”

    I, too have 8 white grandchildren. I started family one very early, and family two, very late. As for the reasons . . . the stories I could tell, especially on this site. : )

  • Black Swan

    I come here to discuss issues facing the White population like loss of White homelands and resources due to massive non-White immigration and government pressure on the White population. We are a global minority facing genocide…but what do I find here?

    Discussion of Asians. How smart they are. Their alcoholic consumption. Their IQ points, study habits, number of nobel prizes they’ve won. All down this thread and others!

    Is this what White posters want here? For thread hijackers to discuss Asian concerns over Whites? Is that why Jared Taylor started this thread, to glorify Asians at the expense of Whites? That is the impression I’m getting here and AR just had a conference. Was the conference about Asian issues?

    The only explanation is that this is what Jared Taylor wants for this site: for us to discuss Asians instead of Whites. That’s all I can come up with because my posts that support Whites keep getting deleted yet all the posts that support and promote Asians are left to stand.

    What’s going on here. Next donation request I get, I’m going to write back exactly what I’m writing here, that I support White issues, not Asians issues.

    • Beloved Comrade

      I noticed the same thing so I switched the default to newest to get away from it, and to see if the Asian-philes were all the way at the end of the thread.

      I second what you’ve written and do not support this forum turned over to the Asian worshipers, but if that’s what American Renaissance wants, then that needs to be made clear to posters, donors and supporters so we aren’t wasting our time here.

  • Nami

    Reminds me of something I read. “They didn’t teach me to balance a checkbook, or do taxes, but boy am I sure glad I know the pythagorean theorem. Gee, thanks!”

  • Dale McNamee

    THAT’S the description of America today !

  • Mad Dog

    Three-quarters failed to show math proficiency? Good Lord, that’s almost half!!

  • Dale McNamee

    And you can’t fix stupid…

  • kikz2

    don’t y’all know?….. standard reading/writing in English, and math are ‘raycisss evil whitey sheeit’…. niggaz ain’ down widit, cuz it be uh-pressive an’ sheiit.

    forcing their compliance delegitimizes and restricts their experience and expression of their culture…..poor babies…..

  • Actually the USA didn’t have this distiction. The latter Roman Empire did it too in the 3rd, 4th & 5th centuries AD.

    When the Roman Republic defeated Hanibal in the end of the 3rd century BC they used citizen armies. Then they conquered the Mediterranean World and became the pre-eminent power. Retiring soldiers would get land. By the the 3rd century AD, Roman citizenship was becoming marginalized and the Armies were made up of mercenaries.

    In fact Atilla the Hun (known as the scourge of the Romans) may have started out as being paid (in gold) by the Roman Goverment to magange things in his territory.

  • MBlanc46

    They taught pretty much the same things when I was in school (well, not writing poetry in iambic pentameter) before there were teachers’ unions. Many of us, perhaps most of us, have done reasonably well in our professional lives. Leaving the blacks and Hispanics aside (as they’re just not as intelligent), if there’s a problem with achievement among white students, I’d guess that it’s mainly down to diminished expectations, grade inflation, and a lack of competitiveness.

  • benvad

    Do we have to write the test for

  • Mine likes Country & Western, Classic Rock, and Classical.

  • “What are the chances of my outliving my retirement funds?”

    This is mathematically zero for anyone who knows what to do.

  • Marcus

    The fear of life is the cause of all our anti-social, self-destructive, neurotic habits of behaviour and relationship with one another, and with the earth itself. We have found that a simple act that we call ‘looking at yourself’ washes away the fear of life and heals the mind of anyone who will try it just once:

    1. Close your eyes. Notice the symphony of sensations and thoughts about sensations rising and falling within you.

    2. Notice that you can move your attention to one or another sensation or thought at will.

    3. Now use that same beam of attention to look for the feel of what you would call ‘me’ – a faint sensation that is what you feel like to yourself.

    That’s it, you’ve done all that needs to be done to bring you home to the beauty and satisfaction that are to be found in a human life lived without fear.

  • Ella

    Bring in hoards of uneducated third-worlders and then, complain that their academic achievement levels are sub-par. No monies can “catch them up” to our well integrated European-descent peoples. Any sociologist or psychologist knows it takes generations to increase IQ’s. So, expect failure for the next 60-100 years. Obviously, the elite cares less to maintain postmodern tech status as long as their wallets bulge.

    • PouponMarks

      “Bring in hoards of uneducated third-worlders and then, complain that their academic achievement levels are sub-par.” And then use this permanent achievement gap to pillory the USSA as racist, sexist, classist, etc. etc. Be prepared for mandatory attendance to lectures by Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.