A Troublesome Inheritance: Genes, Race, and Human History

Amazon, December 23, 2013

Drawing on startling new evidence from the mapping of the genome, an explosive new account of the genetic basis of race and its role in the human story.

Fewer ideas have been more toxic or harmful than the idea of the biological reality of race, and with it the idea that humans of different races are biologically different from one another. For this understandable reason, the idea has been banished from polite academic conversation. Arguing that race is more than just a social construct can get a scholar run out of town, or at least off campus, on a rail. Human evolution, the consensus view insists, ended in prehistory.

Inconveniently, as Nicholas Wade argues in A Troublesome Inheritance, the consensus view cannot be right. And in fact, we know that populations have changed in the past few thousand years—to be lactose tolerant, for example, and to survive at high altitudes. Race is not a bright-line distinction; by definition it means that the more human populations are kept apart, the more they evolve their own distinct traits under the selective pressure known as Darwinian evolution. For many thousands of years, most human populations stayed where they were and grew distinct, not just in outward appearance but in deeper senses as well.

Wade, the longtime journalist covering genetic advances for The New York Times, draws widely on the work of scientists who have made crucial breakthroughs in establishing the reality of recent human evolution. The most provocative claims in this book involve the genetic basis of human social habits. What we might call middle-class social traits—thrift, docility, nonviolence—have been slowly but surely inculcated genetically within agrarian societies, Wade argues. These “values” obviously had a strong cultural component, but Wade points to evidence that agrarian societies evolved away from hunter-gatherer societies in some crucial respects. Also controversial are his findings regarding the genetic basis of traits we associate with intelligence, such as literacy and numeracy, in certain ethnic populations, including the Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews.

Wade believes deeply in the fundamental equality of all human peoples. He also believes that science is best served by pursuing the truth without fear, and if his mission to arrive at a coherent summa of what the new genetic science does and does not tell us about race and human history leads straight into a minefield, then so be it. This will not be the last word on the subject, but it will begin a powerful and overdue conversation.

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  • MarcB1969

    It’s going to be a long, painful ride for some to destabilize the nurture orthodoxy in the Western consciousness, but it was bound to happen with evolutionary biology and DNA research. Almost everyone understood that fruit didn’t fall to far from the tree back in the 19th century, and science is going to reestablish that paradigm. I think that understanding the role of genetics and HBD will assist in race relations because humans will better understand the genesis of pathologies and behavioral tendencies.

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    • me

      Indeed! Why is it that we reject the wisdom of our forefathers for some new, unproven ideology? Science will reaffirm the natural order of things, and then we can move on from there and create a society based on man’s natural tendencies towards self-actualization and freedom of association, rather than on the ideological whims of a failed social experiment known as ‘diversity’.

      • Morris65

        Why? Because it garners votes for crooked politicians (or, as jesse jackson might say “Vote for me….and equality!”).

  • Puggg

    It’s impossible and illogical to believe in the “biological reality of race” and “the fundamental equality of all human peoples” at the same time. The second thing is a matter of faith, the first thing you can’t believe in because it’s a matter of science. You can’t believe that two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen between certain temperatures and certain pressures makes liquid water, because it’s a matter of science, not faith or preference.

    • David Ashton

      All dogs are “equally” dogs.
      Equal respect other humans is not contingent in all respects on biological equality.

    • RyanP

      It depends what he means by equality. All humans have certain basic rights. You can believe that and not be ignorant of the obvious reality of race.

      • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

        “Humans” as a classification becomes a scientific question, dependent on the biological reality of race. “Basic rights” of course is a political question. History and zoology show that sub-species cannot coexist in the same environment without dominance or elimination by force. In the past the only workable solution has been ethnostates. With integration now becoming considered a “basic right”, our situation is perilous; the backlash may involve the disregard of ALL “basic rights”.

      • jane johnson

        That’s what I was thinking, too. Perhaps he is referring to “equality under the law”, and not genetic equality.

        • Mergatroyd

          There is no equality under the law for whites in the New Amerikka

      • The Final Solution

        The only basic right third worlders have is the right to work when the white man commands them to. The right to basic sustenance in exchange for the function of work like cattle and horses.

        • Laika

          The NWO and Euro Union believe third worlders have a right to White lands, resources and the wealth you have created. Evil doesn’t begin to cover it.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      You would deny that two parts hydrogen and one part oxygen between certain pressures and certain temperatures makes liquid water if your career were threatened for not doing so or if you were rewarded heavily (fame, lucrative book deals, national TV tour) by the media, academia and government for denying this reality.

      Such is the condition of the IQ argument — at the moment. Anyone who doesn’t toe the PC line is immediately targeted for personal and professional destruction.

      Late Professors Rushton and Jensen both knew this:

      Rushton had his classes disrupted to the point where campus bodyguards had to be hired for his security; Jensen’s lectures were videotaped for his personal safety.

      Jensen published, “How Much Can We Boost I.Q. and Scholastic Achievement?” which concluded that Head Start programs designed to boost black IQ scores had failed, and that this was likely never to be remedied.

      When the work was initially published, students and faculty staged large, loud protests outside his University of California, Berkeley office, and he received multiple death threats. He was even denied reprints of his work by his publisher and was not permitted to reply in response to letters of criticism – both extremely unusual and exceptional policies for their day.

      For a long time Jensen received death threats, needed body guards while on his campus or others, had his home and office phones routed through the police station, received his mail only after a bomb squad examined it, was physically threatened or assaulted dozens of times by protesters disrupting his talks in the United States and abroad, regularly found messages like “Jensen Must Perish” and “Kill Jensen” scrawled across his office door, and much more.

      Rushton’s book was once seized at the Canadian border and considered for being banned under hate crime laws from entering the country

      • Geo1metric

        Jensen and Rushton were subjected to classic totalitarian tactics. Those tactics were successful in bringing political correctness to power.

    • WR_the_realist

      It all depends on your definition of “equality”. One may be a race realist and still accept that we are equal under the law. If one is religious one may believe that we are all equal before God. It’s when people try to extend “equality” beyond these things that absurdities are promoted.

  • smedley

    What is funny is that the Darwinist left denounces anyone who suggests Darwin’s theories are not entirely proven then denounces anyone who takes Darwin’s theory of natural selection to its logical conclusion in noting that races are vastly different.

    • JohnEngelman

      Stephen J. Gould used the theory of evolution to attack white Protestant Fundamentalists because they were a minority he did not like. Then he ignored the obvious implications of Darwinism to protect a minority he liked.

      • Alexandra1973

        Having his cake and eating it too.

        I’m one of the said “Protestant fundamentalists.” I don’t believe in evolution. Want to know why blacks are the way they are, read the account of Noah’s son Ham.

        • Terra Magnum Imperium

          Sorry, I have little respect for a Vampire Cult founded by a Jewish Carpenter who may not have existed however the bible is still interesting reading though.

          • Laura Dilworth

            vampire cult?

          • me

            The ‘hipster atheist ‘ is referring to the transubstantiation. I suppose he/she/it thinks he’s/she’s/it’s ‘clever’.

          • Laura Dilworth

            communion?

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            No, the Catholic Church takes transsubstantiation literally.

          • Laura Dilworth

            right, but the protestants don’t

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Perhaps the spear plunged into Jesus was symbolic too.
            I sacrifice myself to myself to save you from myself !!!
            Amazing what Christians believe in…

          • Laura Dilworth

            perhaps

          • scottthestrategerist

            I’m 10000000000000000000% (tired of typing 0s lol) onboard with the White Nationalist message, and I used to be a hardcore, post-MLK egalitarian. Having said all of that, the evidence that Jesus of Nazareth ever existed is incredibly weak, while the case that he is mythical is much stronger. I’ll summarise it if anyone asks me too, but please don’t think that if someone is a Jesus skeptic that they’re anti-white. Indeed, wouldn’t it be better if we whited had our own religion instead of being given the false choice between a Semitic tyranny and atheism? (I’m not an atheist nor an agnostic.)

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            How is Atheism tyrannical? It is simply the Absence of belief in the supernatural, But I agree with on White Nationalism.
            The reason it took me so long to embrace the realist cause too many Religious wack-jobs carry the White Nationalist banner.
            Finding Amren was true blessing.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            I did, It amazes how many realists are rational about race but all reason vanishes when it comes to their imaginary friend of the month aka god..

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Drink the blood of their savior aka Vampire Cult.

          • Laura Dilworth

            ahh

        • Franklin_Ryckaert

          If you still believe in the childish fairy tales of the Bible, then ask yourself how do you catch one male and one female of the more than 1,5 million species of animals of the earth (even species that live in far off places such as Madagascar or Australia), give each pair of them its own cabin in the ark and give them their special food for 484 days? The rest of the Bible is full of other impossible stories.

          • Anna Tree

            And the cleaning?! LOL And separating the carnivores from their preys, including the 8 or so humans.

          • me

            Terra forming and biospheres, have you heard of it? Maybe there should be a new ‘hipsters’ Bible, so that it would be ‘cool and trendy’ for the ‘new’ ‘hipster’ atheist movement, that has existed as long as mankind. Why don’t you cool and trendy atheists go attack the Muslims, Jews, Satanists, or Buddhists for awhile? Why so obsessive about Christianity? Soooo boring….

          • Anna Tree

            I rarely criticize Christianity, maybe some 10 posts in the last 10 years since I became an atheist. On the contrary, I have written over 6500 islamocritic posts on the web (as Anna Doe), and not the gentle kind like my above post.

            I actually often defend Christianity and Jesus:I am not naive to think all religions are equals. Some are better than others. I think Christianity has reformed, modernized, moderated and Jesus was a good man who never killed, enslaved or raped. Some like islam are just plain evil. islam cannot be reformed as islam’s moral compass is “prophet” mohamed who killed, mass-killed, raped, had sex with a child, enslaved, stole etc everything he did is halal/allowed/moral and it is why muslim countries didn’t sign the Human Right Declaration where pedophily, genocide, slavery are criminalized, and those crimes are allowed in many muslim countries.

            When it comes to religion I simply don’t mind what people do or
            follow, so long as it is not imposed on me. It’s called the Golden Rule. And so it is a right and a duty to criticize any religion that wants others dead or slaves like islam but I live together with Christians, we support many of the same morals, like family values.

            Before I became a racialist, I disagreed with Christianity/Catholicism only with the interdiction of condoms, now I added my disagreement about globalism/pathological altruism.

          • David Ashton

            The Golden Rule is found in most major religions but not Islam.
            The Bible is not a single book. Because the Noah flood story is incredible, it does not follow that Jesus never existed at all.

          • Anna Tree

            Indeed you are right about the Golden Rule, islam doesn’t follow it.

            i don’t know why you hint I think Jesus never existed at all, but you are right although I would prefer not to talk about this. I have no interest in arguing against Christianity. I am an “atheist for Jesus”. But if you bring the subject, I think that not because of the Noah flood. You are right that it isn’t and cannot be connected.

          • David Ashton

            Other people have suggested here that Jesus did not exist. This point was not directed against you personally.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            personally I love debating about religion and politics, but why do so many people avoid adult conversation???

          • Anna Tree

            I also love debating everything too 🙂

            Sometimes I restrain myself to debate about certain subjects because:

            1) like tlk244182 said about Catholics and Protestants in Lee Rigby’s thread the other day : “After we’ve beaten the cult of diversity, and the rest of our enemies, then and only then may we safely conduct internecine warfare. We must unite against our common enemies first.”, and

            2) as an example, while I see islam as a existential threat, I don’t see Christianity of today as a threat.

            Actually although I am an atheist, I understand and acknowledge that most people need religion in their lives. Some experiments have proven this need to be psychobiological (read “Ethics Without Gods” by Frank Zindler or “Why We Believe What We Believe” by Andrew Newberg and Mark Robert Waldman etc). After all, nothing is magical, spirituality has a physical base like everything else in existence.

            I have no problem with that. Actually maybe most people should have religion in their lives, most of the time, it does control some of them, especially now that most religions have modernized/moderated/reformed. So if there is a need for a few religions around, then yes I think that Jesus for example, was quite a good guy, so I of course prefer those who think Jesus is a good model than those who think “prophet” mohamed is a good model – as the latter killed, mass-killed, raped, including a child, enslaved, sex enslaved and more.

            I think some people avoid intelligent adult conversation because:
            1) Some just don’t like them or just can’t have them, to be nicer than Eleanor Roosevelt, there are really people who prefer to discuss ideas while others prefer to discuss events or even discuss about people.

            2) Some are uncomfortable being challenged in their opinions and beliefs.
            3) Nowadays it is politically incorrect: we are supposed to be dumbed down and brainwashed and only mainstream
            freedom of speech is allowed, specific issues with their non-controversial accepted conclusions. So many restrain themselves in public conversation… Some of us have learn that people are entitled to their opinion – if it’s the right opinion an had their share of bad look or worse.

          • stewball

            So you’re like a Jew for Jesus? :'(

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            But as with any source material, Multiple inconsistencies bring doubt to the bibles validity.

          • David Ashton

            Agreed. This 4th century collection of Hebrew and Greek documents is not the infallible and inerrant Word of God, but some parts of some documents in the collection may contain historically valid material. Theological and poetic items must be tested by different criteria. One interesting aspect to the alleged predictive elements is the Seven Weeks prophecy in Daniel and the arrival of Jesus as alleged messiah, but I have no time here to stray into this particular valley of Hinnom.

          • me

            Not as impossible as to the fact that you even exist.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            I never understood the mind of fundamentalists.

          • Geo1metric

            It’s fundamental. 🙂

          • Laura Dilworth

            miracles are possible

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Agreed the same “loving” god whom commits genocide but as I said before interesting reading.

          • stewball

            Including the ‘virgin’ birth!

      • Franklin_Ryckaert

        That is called “ethno-politics” by means of “science”. Happens more, especially among members of the minority you alluded to.

      • Laika

        Just like you. Ignore facts you don’t like such as White creative and innovative superiority over Asians to bash a World minority — Whites — that you do not like.
        You and Gould are both hypocrites. He was one of your more-intelligent-than-White Jews, BTW.

        • ben no

          Retarded-sounding Mongoloids STILL can’t separate the difference between original invention and the advancements of it with new technology. They quite literally perceive the latest range of computers, washing machines, cars or phones as being inventions and thus creativity??? Absolutely ridiculous! It is just me or do they need some sense slapping into them? Because that’s what I would inevitably like to do. God, I am so SICK of their nonsense. Even blacks are able to clearly understand the difference on this one!

    • Garrett Brown

      What I find even more amusing are these hipster atheist teenagers who are all “PRO SCIENCE, PEOPLE WHO BELIEVE IN A GOD ARE DUMB” yet wont even notion the thought of racial differences, which in my opinion is much more important for us to realize (also supported with many more scientific statistics/truths) and accept as fact than anything to do with religion.

  • bigone4u

    Since I’m not an expert on DNA research, but I know what I see and experience with my own eyes, this new book falls into “the truth hurts” category. By that I mean that the Cultural Marxists can do nothing but lash out with ad hominem attacks when the truth is told. We truthtellers are winning, but it’s a long grind and it isn’t over.

  • JohnEngelman

    Wade, the longtime journalist covering genetic advances for The New York Times, draws widely on the work of scientists who have made crucial breakthroughs in establishing the reality of recent human evolution. The most provocative claims in this book involve the genetic basis of human social habits. What we might call middle-class social traits—thrift, docility, nonviolence—have been slowly but surely inculcated genetically within agrarian societies, Wade argues. These “values” obviously had a strong cultural component, but Wade points to evidence that agrarian societies evolved away from hunter-gatherer societies in some crucial respects. Also controversial are his findings regarding the genetic basis of traits we associate with intelligence, such as literacy and numeracy, in certain ethnic populations, including the Chinese and Ashkenazi Jews.

    – Amazon, December 23, 2013

    If a journalist employed by The New York Times can write a book like this and keep his job, the barriers of political correct thought control are weakening.

    • Talltrees

      Recent study…”European women as the principal female founders, and to the Jewish community of the early Roman empire as the possible source of the Ashkenazi ancestors.

      The finding establishes that the women who founded the Ashkenazi Jewish community of Europe were not from the Near East, as previously supposed, and reinforces the idea that many Jewish communities outside Israel were founded by single men who married and converted local women.”

      See: “Genes Suggest European Women at Root of Ashkenazi Family Tree” By NICHOLAS WADE

      Maybe, you can add European women to your list of favorites, Jews and Asians, but doubt you will.

      • BaronBaal

        Hahahahaha, he’s a Jewish supremacist, so what do you expect? I doubt you’ll get an answer from him…

        • Mergatroyd

          Jewish and Asians supremacist which makes him an anti-white.

          Says something about his character, doesn’t it?

          • JohnEngelman

            Recognizing the truth is evidence of superior character.

          • Laika

            Desiring the race replacement and genocide of white children is evidence of your psychopathic, amoral character.

          • JohnEngelman

            White Gentile children are not threatened by race replacement and genocide. What is happening is that they are being required to compete with high IQ Jews and Orientals in the class room and on the job.

          • WR_the_realist

            The competition with Jews and Asians is far less damaging to whites than the fact that their schools and neighborhoods are being dragged down by blacks and Mestizos. And the race replacement of whites is not caused by Jews and Asians being smart (American Jews and Asians have low reproductive rates overall) , it is caused by a combination of mass immigration (which whites never asked for) and higher birth rates of blacks and especially Hispanics.

            And white children are threatened by race replacement. We’ve all seen what happens when blacks or Hispanics get majority control of a government. Government offices in such cities may as well have signs, “Whitey need not apply.” As for whether white children are threatened with genocide, that depends upon whether our demographics goes the way of South Africa. It’s not happening yet, but it could happen in the future.

      • Anna Tree

        I asked JohnEngelman if the IQs of the Ashkanaz Jews could be related with the IQs of the Ancient Romans, i.e. that many Ashkanaz Jews are Mediteranean whites. It seems to me more logic than to think their IQs could be boosted so much from a tiny minority of bankers in such a short time.

        My speculation seems backed by this article from Razib Khan’s article “Genetics & the Jews” in DiscoverMagazine:

        “During Greco-Roman times, recorded mass conversions led to 6 million
        people practicing Judaism in Roman times or up to 10% of the population of the Roman Empire. Thus, the genetic proximity of these
        European/Syrian Jewish populations, including Ashkenazi Jews, to each
        other and to French, Northern Italian, and Sardinian populations favors
        the idea of non-Semitic Mediterranean ancestry in the formation of the
        European/ Syrian Jewish groups and is incompatible with theories that
        Ashkenazi Jews are for the most part the direct lineal descendants of
        converted Khazars or Slavs. The genetic proximity of Ashkenazi Jews to
        southern European populations has been observed in several other recent studies.

        Early history matters, and what these findings point to is that a division between western and eastern Jews which falls along the lines of Roman-Persian political division exists today even after 2,000 years. In terms of both culture and genetics there is “first mover” advantage.
        […]

        So after 500 A.D. it seems that what may have occurred was that a
        Jewish Diaspora characterized by geographically determined genetic
        diversity, despite some common original Levantine origin, was
        genetically isolated from surrounding populations. This explains why
        there seems relatively little influx of Slavic genes into the Ashkenazim
        despite their long sojourn within Poland-Lithuania and later the Russian
        Empire. In contrast, the Roman Jewish community was already large in
        the days of Julius Caesar, and presumably intermarried with the urban
        proletariat of diverse origins.In an ironic twist these data suggest
        that modern Jews, in particular the Ashkenazim, but to a lesser extent
        the Sephardim as well, share common ancestry with gentile Europeans due to the unconstrained character of the pagan Greco-Roman world which Jews were to a great extent strident critics of. Contra Tertullian Athens had much to do with Jerusalem.”

        • Talltrees

          “It seems to me more logic than to think their IQs could be boosted so much from a tiny minority of bankers in such a short time.”
          Yes, it does. I suggested Ashkenazi inherited their IQ from intermarrying with Germans since most of them came here from Germany. Engelman didn’t respond.

          • Anna Tree

            In the past I first thought that intermarrying with North Europeans was the reason, but it can’t be the prime reason because Ashkenaze Jews have in general a higher IQs than North Europeans. So the most logic is a link with Ancient Romans, Ancient Spanish, Ancient Portugueses and maybe Ancient Greeks.

            I presume that those Ancient Mediterraneans had a high IQ, view their achievements. It is presumed that they lost these high IQs while miscegenating with their freed African slaves and later during centuries of jihadi rapes. The Jews didn’t miscegenate with those slaves because of religion or not as much (their African admixture is earlier) and fled northern following the islamic conquests or accepted dhimmitude.

            It seems so plausible and rational.

          • Talltrees

            Yes, it would appear all Mediterraneans were intelligent considering their accomplishments in the past.

            Cambridge University’s study on Western European countries’ IQ’s without immigrants: Germans 107-109, the highest. Insignificant difference from Jews at 110. In fact all European countries had higher IQ’s, most over 100, without immigrants.

            Jews claim they intentionally choose intelligent wives, Jewish or gentile. Don’t think that’s unusual for anyone. Generally, an intelligent person chooses an intelligent spouse. Like attracts like.

            So, we have Wade’s evidence of maternal European ancestry and choosing the most intelligent Germans or other Europeans much later could account for their higher IQ. They do have from 25 to 60% European DNA.

            You know the old saying, “I’m from Missouri.” Additional evidence that Jews are more intelligent than all European nationalities is needed. European accomplishments compared to Jewish are much too great.

        • JohnEngelman

          During the Roman Empire the Jews were not considered to be exceptionally intelligent, although the Greeks were. The high average IQ’s of the Ashkenazi Jews are usually attributed to the fact that for a thousand years Jews in Christian ruled parts of Europe were restricted to occupational fields that required superior intelligence. Sephardi Jews living under Muslim rule were allowed more opportunities, so they did not develop exceptional intelligence.

          The human species is entering the same kind of genetic bottleneck the Ashkenazim entered after the conversion to Christianity of the Roman Empire. People need an increasing amount of intelligence in order to earn a decent income.

          • dd121

            It’s just my theory but I think that because of the dynamics of our society that intelligence is concentrating among fewer people and their descendants. I think that males and females self-select for intelligence in college and graduate school and that more people will start to cluster at IQs of 160 and above. Does anyone know of any studies done by sociologists that has explored this idea?

          • JohnEngelman

            Charles Murray has discussed this in his book, “Coming Apart: The State of White America, 1960-2010.”

          • Mergatroyd

            Charles Murray also said that 97% of Human Achievement was created by White Westerners and not Asians or Jews.

            How do you rectify your hero Charles Murray’s thesis against yours that Asians and Jews are vastly superior to Whites?

            You are not only anti-white, you are a hypocrite lacking in morals and character.

          • JohnEngelman

            As soon as Jewish children born under legal emancipation had time to grow to adulthood, they started appearing in the first ranks of the arts and sciences. During the four decades from 1830 to 1870, when the first Jews to live under emancipation reached their forties, 16 significant Jewish figures appear. In the next four decades, from 1870 to 1910, the number jumps to 40. During the next four decades, 1910–1950, despite the contemporaneous devastation of European Jewry, the number of significant figures almost triples, to 114.

            To get a sense of the density of accomplishment these numbers represent, I will focus on 1870 onward, after legal emancipation had been achieved throughout Central and Western Europe. How does the actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In philosophy, fourteen times.

            Disproportionate Jewish accomplishment in the arts and sciences continues to this day. My inventories end with 1950, but many other measures are available, of which the best known is the Nobel Prize. In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.

            – Charles Murray, from “Jewish Genius”

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Contrary to your leitmotif thesis, the Jews/Ashkenazim are NOT hated because of their superior intelligence.
            The ubiquitous anti-Semitism of the non-Jews PRECEDED the apparition of the Ashkenazim (the only super-intelligent Jews) one thousand years ago.

            Anti-Semitism is the curse of the Jews as a DIASPORA population. The first mentioning of it probably is in the book of Esther.

            As a diaspora people living in foreign lands, in order to protect the religious identity of its people, the leaders of the Jews has instilled in Jews through the religion/ideology of Judaism a sense of superiority and a HATRED for the host nation. That hatred backfired as anti-Semitism. We are the VICTIMS of the Jews not the other way round!

            But all these were exquisitely explained by Kevin Macdonald (when you will ask me for proof remember this scholarly reference).

            The Sephardim who have at most the same IQ as the host nations, White or not, have engendered anti-Semitisms too.
            This disproves your thesis.

            Furthermore, the religious notion of the “chosen people” in which Jews, Ashkenazim or not, base their sense of exclusiveness has nothing to do with intelligence.
            The high intelligence of the Ashkenazim is a product of Nature and not of the Almighty as you yourself acknowledge. It is just a COINCIDENCE that the Ashkenazim, discriminated for religious reasons, developed a high intelligence. They were not he only religiously discriminated minority of history.

            In the modern era of Nationalism the best explanation for anti-Semitism, in my opinion, was expressed by Johann Gottlieb Fichte:

            “Through every country in Europe, a mighty, hostile state is extending itself, and is engaged in constant warfare with all the other states; its oppressive tyranny causes grievous suffering to the citizens of all the other countries, and it is called Jewdom.

            I do not believe that this fearful condition has come about because Jewdom forms a separate and exceedingly compact community, but because it is founded upon HATRED of the whole human race… You are all aware of this and cannot deny it, and utter words sweet as sugar about tolerance, the rights of men and civic duties, and the whole time you are inflicting injury on our chief rights as men. Does not the intelligible thought ever occur to you that the Jews who, apart from you, are citizens of a state which is more firmly founded and more powerful than all of yours, will, if you once give them citizenship in your own countries, thrust you the original citizens under their feet?

            They are a malignant STATE WITHIN OUR STATES.”

            In our secular era, what mostly annoys non-Jews about Jews is their monumental HYPOCRISY: they are chastising the xenophobia of other nations while they are the most RACIST race on earth!

            Believe me, it has nothing to do with their intelligence.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Sephardim who have at most the same IQ as the host nations, White or not, have engendered anti-Semitisms too.
            This disproves your thesis.

            – Fak_Zakaix

            Shaphardic Jews were expelled from Spain in 1492 because they were believed to have collaborated with Islamic rule of Spain. They were welcomed by the government of the Ottoman Empire. While the Ottomans were Muslims, they were not fanatic about it.

            Unlike Ashkenazi Jews Shaphardi Jews were given more employment opportunities. Because the Ashkenazim were restricted to intellectually demanding professions they were selected for superior intelligence.

            Most Shephardi Jews today either live in Israel, or the Arab world. Arabs do tend to be religiously fanatic about Islam. When Israel was founded there were programs against Shephardi Jews living in Arab countries.

            Persecution of Shephardi Jews has always been due to religious bigotry. Fortunately religious persecution of Ashkenazi Jews largely ended in the nineteenth century.

            Once Jews were able to compete intellectually with Gentiles in Europe it was discovered that they tended to be more intelligent than Gentiles. This led to the secular antisemitism which culminated in the Holocaust.

            The Holocaust discredited antisemitism. In the United States antisemitism has fortunately ceased to exist as a significant force. That is why Jews have been able to succeed and prosper. Their wealth and prosperity are legitimate rewards for their racial superiority.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            1. So you agree after all that the Sephardim case disproves your thesis that Jews are hated because of their intelligence, thanks.

            Christian religious anti-Semitism is alive and kicking, thank you. And why not? What is the problem with it? People are entitled to their religious views! If Jewish supremacists are OK, if the Christian Zionists like you are OK than Christian ant-Semitism must be OK too.

            Secondly, you do NOT comment at all about my OTHER reason for anti-Semitism in the modern SECULAR era: the natural and justified NATIONALISM/ethnocentrism of the host nations.

            Do the Palestinian Arabs fight the Israelis because they envy their intelligence too? Or rather because it is something natural for them to do. If otherwise, why all the states of the world favour a two-state solution?

            2. The European Jews could always compete intellectually with Gentiles. Example, Benedict Spinoza. They just didn’t want to because of their sectarianism.

            3. “The Holocaust discredited anti-Semitism.”
            Not at all, as you realised to your chagrin! LOL.
            If anti-Semitism is abating why the Jews are as paranoid as ever?
            Why people like you waste so much of your precious time in this short life to defend the Jews? Why do you enjoy so much to annoy intelligent anti-Semites like me and others?
            It must be because we scare you!

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Contrary to your leitmotif thesis, the Jews/Ashkenazim are NOT hated because of their superior intelligence.

            The ubiquitous anti-Semitism of the non-Jews PRECEDED the apparition of the Ashkenazim (the only super-intelligent Jews) one thousand years ago.

            Anti-Semitism is the curse of the Jews as a DIASPORA
            population. The first mentioning of it probably is in the book of Esther.

            As a diaspora people living in foreign lands, in order to
            protect the religious identity of its people, the leaders of the Jews has instilled in Jews through the religion/ideology of Judaism a sense of superiority and a HATRED for the host nation. That hatred backfired as anti-Semitism. We are the VICTIMS of the Jews not the other way round!

            But all these were exquisitely explained by Kevin
            Macdonald (when you will ask me for proof remember this scholarly reference).

            The Sephardim who have at most the same IQ as the host
            nations, White or not, have engendered anti-Semitisms too.
            This disproves your thesis.

            Furthermore, the religious notion of the “chosen people” in which Jews, Ashkenazim or not, base their sense of exclusiveness has nothing to do with intelligence.

            The high intelligence of the Ashkenazim is a product of Nature and not of the Almighty as you yourself acknowledge. It is just a COINCIDENCE that the Ashkenazim, discriminated for religious reasons, developed a high intelligence. They were not he only religiously discriminated minority of history.

            In the modern era of Nationalism the best explanation for
            anti-Semitism, in my opinion, was expressed by Johann Gottlieb Fichte:

            “Through every country in Europe, a mighty, hostile
            state is extending itself, and is engaged in constant warfare with all the other states; its oppressive tyranny causes grievous suffering to the citizens of all the other countries, and it is called Jewdom.

            I do not believe that this fearful condition has come
            about because Jewdom forms a separate and exceedingly compact community, but because it is founded upon HATRED of the whole human race… You are all aware of this and cannot deny it, and utter words sweet as sugar about tolerance, the
            rights of men and civic duties, and the whole time you are inflicting injury on our chief rights as men. Does not the intelligible thought ever occur to you that the Jews who, apart from you, are citizens of a state which is more firmly founded and more powerful than all of yours, will, if you once give them citizenship in your own countries, thrust you the original citizens under their
            feet?

            They are a malignant STATE WITHIN OUR STATES.”

            In our secular era, what mostly annoys non-Jews about
            Jews is their monumental HYPOCRISY: they are chastising the xenophobia of other nations while they are the most RACIST race on earth!

            Believe me, it has nothing to do with their intelligence

          • JohnEngelman

            Once again you project your hatred of the Jews onto the Jews.

          • David Ashton

            Just a thought, not the trigger for a “debate”.
            If two ethnic groups (A & C) are more intelligent than a third ethnic group (B), would B be justified in fearing that in a competiton A & C might put their own ethnic interests before those of B and that A or C, or A plus C, might outwit B, to the relative disadvantage of the latter?

          • JohnEngelman

            Yes.

            However, I doubt that most Americans place what they consider to be their “ethnic interests” above their own interests, and the interests of relatives and friends.

            Most blacks favor affirmative action, not because it is in their ethnic interest, but because it is in their interest. Without affirmative action many will lose jobs they never deserved in the first place, and where they have never performed adequately.

            If that is not the answer to your question, I have difficulty understanding it.

            The fact that inter racial marriage has come to be accepted by the vast majority of Americans and is practiced by a growing minority is evidence that racial consciousness is declining in the United States.

            Therefore, I doubt that most Americans are concerned with their “ethnic interests.” This is particularly true for those who are confident in their own abilities.

          • David Ashton

            The Chinese and Ashke-nazis have racial interests. Do “white gentile” Americans have racial interests? Could the former possibly be incompatible with the latter, and would it be wrong to express concern about this? Can you undestand this question?

          • JohnEngelman

            Sucessful people have personal interests, not racial interests.

            If I may say so, they do not use terms like “Ashke-nazis.”

          • David Ashton

            Successful Jews have no interest in the future of Jewry or of Israel? The rulers of China have no interest in the Chinese “race”?

            Who are you kidding, just yourself?

            Tell it to the Palestinians and Tibetans.

          • JohnEngelman

            I doubt that it is an obsession.

            Eric Hoffer put it best when he wrote “The True Believer,” “The less justified a man is in claiming excellence for his own self, the more ready he is to claim all excellence for his nation, his religion, his race or his holy cause.”

          • David Ashton

            Is that the 4th or 5th time you have quoted this authority?

            Google James Petras on the Bases of Zionist Power in America & Frank Dikotter on Chinese Ethnocentrism.

            Google, and Good Night from me.

          • JohnEngelman

            The passage from Eric Hoffer continues to be relevant. antisemisism is the attitude – let’s not call it a “philosophy” – of those who are dissatisfied with themselves, and who prefer to direct their hostility at right wing hate targets, rather than left wing hate targets.

            There is no legitimate reason for disliking Jews as a group. Consequently antisemitism needs to be understood psychologically.

          • David Ashton

            I shall resist the tiring “temptation” to be drawn into a tiresome “debate” on “antisemitism” except to say that not even most Jewish historians of the subject would agree with your simplistic pontification. Trailing your coat might have more attraction if it was not already old and tattered.

          • JohnEngelman

            The debate is tiresome to antisemites because the facts are on my side. These are the only three ways Jews differ from Gentiles: they have a different religion; they tend to be more intelligent; they tend to be more prosperous as a result of that intelligence.

            I am fairly confident that, like Orientals, Jews have lower rates of crime and illegitimacy than white Gentiles.I have not been able to verify that however.

            American Jews do tend to be more liberal than white Gentiles. They are generally more prone to favor easing immigration restrictions in the United States than in Israel. Like me they are concerned for the safety and well being of Israel. These are political characteristics. They are not moral deficiencies.

            Jews do not characterize any definition of “parasite” that merits respect. They are a splendid group of people.

          • Anna Tree

            The Levantive Jews, yes, but reread Wade and Rhazib, we are talking about Jews intermarrying with Ancient Romans. Maybe up to 6 millions! How many European Jews from the Levant could there be In Europe back then?! Those converts or mixed Jews could have been the majority of the European Jews, if not most.

            The idea that human intelligence is ‘magical’ is irrational. It has a
            physical base like everything else in existence. Like Rhazib says “The most plausible explanation for the patterns here, supported
            by uniparental lineages, is that local Jewish populations have admixed with surrounding populations. Of course it could be that Ashkenazi Jews went through a population bottleneck and became a highly endogamous inbred community, so that genetic drift resulted in their uniqueness. But in that case they should show up as distinctive as the Kalash of Pakistan, who may be thought to have formed their own “micro-race” through genetic isolation.
            […]

            The Middle Eastern populations were formed by Jews in the Babylonian and Persian empires who are thought to have remained geographically continuous in those locales. In contrast, the other Jewish populations were formed more recently from Jews who migrated or were expelled from Palestine and from individuals who were converted to Judaism during Hellenic-Hasmonean times, when proselytism was a common Jewish practice.”

            I think there were too many converts and intermarriage to believe that there was a genetic isolation.

            Also to claim that the Ashakanaz higher IQ is from banking, we need to know how many Ashakanaz were bankers, their percentage compared to the global Ashakanaz population, how long have they been bankers, the IQs of Non-jewish bankers families, European and Non-European, like North East Asians
            etc

            As for your last paragraph, I wish… I think on the contrary we are being dumbed down, the intelligent are doing less children and worse there is more miscegenation. That said yes, there is a possibility of high iqs population intermarrying in the Silicone Valley for example, but that’s a small population not the human species. And if the economy collapse, there won’t be so much need for programers and intellectuals… So time could be not enough.

          • JohnEngelman

            And if the economy collapse, there won’t be so much need for programers and intellectuals.

            – Anna Tree

            I doubt anything will happen that will be worse than the Great Depression. I do not believe there will be another Dark Ages, like what followed the fall of the Western Roman Empire.

          • WR_the_realist

            It’s hard to guess how bad the next big crash will be. It could well be worse than in the Great Depression. Back then there were few government handouts but most Americans either worked on a farm or had relatives who did. People could at least raise their own food, even if they were desperately short of cash. The lower population also meant that a substantial fraction of the population could put food on the table by hunting. Even so, populations of deer and other game animals dropped substantially during the Great Depression. Now, with twice the population we had then, the forests will be wiped clean of any critter bigger than a chipmunk if any significant fraction of the population tries to eat that way.

            Today only about 5% of Americans are farmers. if there was a collapse the food situation for 90% of the population would get desperate very quickly.

            Computers and cell phones are no substitute for basic resources. With the vast expansion of world population over the past century we have very little cushion against catastrophe.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            You seem to think that in order to survive you need to be rich (and therefore intelligent). If you look at the Third World you see the opposite : huge masses of stupid poor people who procreate like rabbits. In Medieval Europe it was not different. In Eastern Europe many Jews were very poor, but they increased in numbers.

          • JohnEngelman

            During most of history the poor have been vulnerable to famine. Rich people have not been.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            India and China had as much famines as Europe, that didn’t select only the intelligent for survival either.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            The rich were vulnerable to violent death however.

          • JohnEngelman

            They were also vulnerable to disease. However, the poor were more vulnerable to violence and disease.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Nope. The rich, that is the aristocracy and the bourgeoisie were more vulnerable to violence. Violence was the way of life for the aristocracy. When a city was sieged if it didn’t surrender the inhabitants were usually killed or enslaved if conquered.
            The peasants were an economic value and were therefore protected.
            The “highly intelligent” Jews were also victims of pogroms.
            Disease affected everyone as it does today, poor or rich.

          • Mergatroyd

            Says someone who just upvoted Engelman on his comment above. I’m surprised at you after all the attacks you’ve leveled at John.

            Maybe in reality you agree with him after all?

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            I upvoted his sarcastic criticism of the Jew Stephen Jay Gould, that doesn’t mean I agree with his anti-white agenda. Mostly I don’t upvote Engelman when he is right ( which happens from time to time), but this time the case was so blatant that I had to express my agreement.

          • WR_the_realist

            It’s very hard to determine what the IQs of various people were 2000 years ago. I accept the fact that today Ashkenazim Jews have higher average IQs than non-Jewish whites. But the reasons why are highly speculative. Also, high intelligence is not always selected for. Right now the less intelligent races in America (blacks and Mestizos) have higher reproductive success than whites or East Asians. In a big government nanny state (the kind you prefer) massive transfers of money from productive people to nonproductive people make it possible for stupidity to be selected for by evolution.

          • JohnEngelman

            In a big government nanny state (the kind you prefer) massive transfers of money from productive people to nonproductive people make it possible for stupidity to be selected for by evolution.

            – WR_the_realist

            I am opposed to Temporary Assistance for Needy Families (TANF). I am in favor of free abortion on demand.

            I take the long view of things. The twentieth century trend toward dysgenics is a temporary detour. Because it is becoming increasingly difficult for people of average intelligence to earn a good income, the biological future belongs to the brilliant.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Yes, the White people will be displaced from their OWN countries because of this future “bottleneck”. How sad! No more blond hair, blue eyes, rosy cheeks, pinky nipples (yum-yum)…Only hooked noses, squinted eyes and natural tan. Bah.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            The Greek civilisation was so original and amazing not necessarily because Greeks were more intelligent than the neighbouring nations (what is the evidence for that?) but because their religion/ideology allowed/encouraged FREEDOM of thinking. The Greeks (especially the Athenians) prided themselves as the only free people of the Ancient world.
            The religiously BIGOTED Ashkenazim, on the other hand, wasted their fine intelligence on the sterile activity of Talmud exegesis. And when they realised that they will be the laughing stock of the post-Enlightenment Europeans if they continue to do so they at last embraced Enlightenment/European values themselves, deep down, however, remaining fiercely HATERS of Christendom.

          • JohnEngelman

            Once again you are projecting your hatred of Jews onto the Jews.

            Jews have suffered far more from Christian persecution than have Christians suffered from Jewish persecution.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Why are you deleting my posts? What was inappropriate about my previous post? You are not doing the job of the moderator properly. Is this your site?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            There is another reason why the Greeks created such an original and amazing civilisation besides them being highly intelligent (what is the evidence for this, BTW)?
            They had a religion/ideology that allowed for great FREEDOM of thought. They considered themselves the freest people of the Ancient world.

            In contrast, the bigoted Ashkenazim wasted their fine intelligence in the sterile exegesis of the Talmud. Only after the Enlightenment when they realised that they will become the laughing stock of the gentiles they finally embraced formally the European values, inwardly, however, retaining their secular HATRED of the gentiles.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Christians suffered tremendously under the Jewish fascists called the Bolsheviks.

            Communism = Jewish fascism.

          • JohnEngelman

            Although a higher percentage of Jews were in the Soviet Communist Party than the Soviet population, the vast majority of those in the Soviet Communist Party were gentiles. What is more, religious Jews were persecuted more in the Soviet Union than were observant Christians.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            How do you know that religious Jews were persecuted more?

          • David Ashton

            Last sentence, read (1) David J. Dallin (an ex-Menshevik Jew), “The Real Soviet Russia” (1947), pp.221-241; Albert Galter, “Red Book of the Persecuted Church” (1957) [mainly RCs]; Stephane Courtois et al, “The Black Book of Communism” (1999).

          • JohnEngelman

            One can always find books that one agrees with. Then one can say, “Read this book.”

            The other person can get another book and say, “No read this book.”

            Throwing books back and forth gets boring.

            I have already documented that while a higher percentage of Jews belonged to the Soviet Communist Party than the percentage of Jews in the Soviet population, the vast majority of those in the Soviet Communist Party were not Jews. Moreover the vast majority of Soviet Jews were not in the Communist Party.

            Those who persist in blaming “the Jews” for the injustices of the Soviet Union are doing so in order to justify their hatred of Jews. The real reason they hate Jews is because they are jealous of the superior intelligence of most Jews and the prosperity it earns them.

            In the United States “the Jews” do not control Hollywood; they do not control Wall Street; they do not control journalism; they do not control the academy. They have prominence in all these fields out of proportion to their numbers in the United States population, and out of proportion to their numbers in the Soviet Communist Party.

            Why are they so prominent in fields requiring superior intelligence? The question suggests the answer.

          • David Ashton

            This is well illustrates why “debate” with you has been so futile.
            You simply press a button that spews forth the old same sentences over and over again, even if they are irrelevant or if they expose your absolute refusal to consider any documented information that qualifies, updates or refutes your own sources or incorrigible dogma.

            I wisely made no comment on “Jewish” influence in the Bolshevik movement or prominence in the USA, but simply addressed your “last sentence” that the Soviet persecution of Jews was worse than their persecution of Christians; I have written on this subject before and do not intend to knock my head on a brick wall, or a wailing one for that matter. If I were your sort of “debater” I would switch my ground to “Lenin’s boys” in Hungary where the persecution contrast was too obvious, even for an IQ excuse.

            D.J.Dallin was one of the most outanding historians and analysts of Soviet communism (and I have read more than few of all sorts) and gives an excellent historical summary of its policy towards the churches, and Galter lists the murders and ill-treatment of Catholics; I have not noted, for example, Ukrainian Orthodox or free “Baptist” martyrs and victims.

            For a more direct comparison, objective and open-minded readers should look at the chapters “The Clergy” and “Anti-Semitism” in “A Century of Violence in Soviet Russia” (Yale UP) by Alexander Yakovlev, who helped Gorbachev with the perestroika movement and is a reliable archivist of human-rights violations.

            The books I have ever quoted are packed with carefully documented facts; and those on the persecution of Christians in the USSR are no exception. But you frankly are a cross between a bigot and a robot, who cannot think and refuses to read outside the same old box; a “bogot” to coin a new word.

          • JohnEngelman

            You read a lot of good books. Congratulations. I read a few good books myself. Please present your own arguments in your own words like I do, using the internet to document facts made in your own arguments. .

          • David Ashton

            My answer to this does not appear on my screen as I read it on December 29 at 10.25 PM GMT. Moderator, why is that?

          • JohnEngelman

            The software system sometimes eats comments. If there is no notice that your comment has been deleted, it has not been deleted by a moderator.

          • David Ashton

            Press on my name and read my answer still on the archive.
            I really do not have time to add anything more.

        • Mergatroyd

          Why are you bothering to argue with a psychopath? Engelman is impervious to logic, reason and rational thought. I thought you’d have figured this out by now, yet you continue to upvote him a known anti-white who favors race replacement of whites with “superior” Asians and Jews. Are you for that? I’m not. So why do you keep supporting him and encouraging him by upvoting him?

          hmmm. Maybe that says something about YOUR mental health.

          • Anna Tree

            Mergatroyd, re. your post above and your other post to me below (as there is no reply button on that below post):

            I understand the point you are making and i disagree with JohnEngelman on various issues, but if he writes something I agree, I will thumb him up and if he writes something I disagree, I will thumb him down. I don’t thumb up or down the messenger but the message. I don’t encourage posters, I encourage good posts: pro-white and/or factual. I am not voting for him to represent me anywhere. He is not a politician who could harm me with a mix or good and dangerous views, and even with politicians, some white racialists still vote for them because there is always worse and more dangerous.

            I disagree completely with JohnEngelman about miscegenation of white with non-whites, and I don’t want any race to replace the whites. I want all the white countries to return to the white peoples who built and created them. I don’t think the Chinese or the Ashkanaze, moreover the Jews, are superior.
            To agree with certain of his comments because I found them truthful doesn’t make me anti-white, this make me a truth seeker a la Jefferson: “There is not a truth existing which I fear or would wish unknown to the whole world”.

            In my opinion to be a white racialist is not to think we have the highest IQ or not, this being true or not, I don’t care our IQ, I care about my race to not be replaced, to not be genocided, to not be silenced and trashed and not having equal rights, if not more right in a white country.
            Again my allegory that even if some children are allegedly smarter or better behaved than my own children, I still prefer my own children. That is, my children will always be superior for me, just because they are my children, not because of any traits or any comparisons to others.

            I think my mental health is fine.

            (By the way, I answered you at the Colin Flaherty’s article from December 16, you had other questions for me then re. some other JohnEngelman’s statements, maybe you miss it)

        • pcmustgo

          Jews and Italians look- and often act, remarkably similar. Similar “warm” cultures with lots of “venting” or “yenting” or whatever it’s called. Different in other ways though.

      • JohnEngelman

        What matters is that the Ashkenazim are descended from ancient Israelites, and that they are the most superior race in existence.

        • Talltrees

          I quote from the article again:

          “The finding establishes that the women who founded the Ashkenazi Jewish community of Europe were not from the Near East, as previously supposed, and reinforces the idea that many Jewish communities outside Israel were founded by single men who married and converted local women.”

          Only 16% Ashkenazim are said to be from ancient Israelites.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jewish men is Israelite ancestry moved to Gentile areas, married Gentile women, and converted them to Judaism.

          • Talltrees

            Yes, that’s what Wade said.

          • Bossman

            It is still a great mystery where European Jews came from. They’ve only a vague connection to Palestine.

          • Mergatroyd

            That is only your OPINION as is everything else you write here and on AltRight.

            You never present any facts or hard data to back up what you say, only what you FEEL to be correct. Your OPINIONS are laughable, while YOU ignore hard data that is put in your face in thread after thread.

            Your OPINIONS have proved to be anti-White and support the genocide of the White race through miscegenation and race replacement by “superior” Asians and Jews.

          • JohnEngelman

            I probably go to greater length to substantiate my arguments with documented facts than anyone else who posts comments here.

            I frequently quote Professor J. Philippe Rushton who spoke at six American Renaissance conferences. In his: “RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR,” he wrote: “On average, Orientals are slower to mature, less fertile, less sexually active, less aggressive, and have larger brains and higher IQ scores.”

            The superior intelligence of Orientals has been documented by Richard Lynn, who has also spoken at American Renaissance conferences. It is also manifest in racial averages for SAT and ACT scores.

        • Anna Tree

          You call yourself a race racialist, but calling one race superior is more a supremacist point of view.
          Funny and sad you are pointing the finger to some whites who say the white race is superior, but it is okay when you say that about Askanaz or Asians?

          The Amrener A Multiracial Individual once wrote “I do not think that races are “superior” or “inferior” to each other. That is not how biology works.” One race will be superior in this, another will be superior in that. To claim one group is #1 is not true or rational.

          • JohnEngelman

            Race realism recognizes that by criteria important to successful civilizations the races are not equal.

          • me

            Engelman, why is it that you continue to show up on these threads and spew your overt criticisms of European Americans? I just can’t figure out how you get away with it. Your love for your own tribe is commendable, and your worship of Asian women is adorable, but your White-bashing is redundant. Can’t you think up some new material?

          • JohnEngelman

            You and your kind need some new material. It is always:
            Engelman, you don’t belong here!
            Engelman, you don’t belong here!
            Engelman, you don’t belong here!

          • Mergatroyd

            Because you repeat the same thing over and over again.

            Your handlers needs to program you with new material. You sound like a barking seal or one of Pavlov’s trained dogs: “Whites are inferior to Asians!” Bark Bark Bark! “Asians should race replace Whites!” Bark Bark Bark.

            You say the same thing about White people that Hitler said about the Jews.

            All that remains is for you to tell us how you became so anti-White

          • JohnEngelman

            I am not anti white. I am in favor of telling the truth about racial differences.

          • Mergatroyd

            And you keep encouraging Engelman through your upvotes.

            He is an anti-White that supports the race replacement of Whites with “superior” Asians and Jews and supports miscegenation of Whites until they’re blended out of existence.

            Is this your view as well? Why do you keep upvoting him?

        • Bossman

          I believe that the Ashkenazim are a mixture Middle Eastern Jews and West Europeans. The fact that so many of them had curly red hair is proof of that.

        • Mergatroyd

          Not according to Charles Murray. The computer and language you’re using to spread your lies and falsehoods were created by White Westerners, not Jews, as is the computer and electrical grid that power it.

          You are an anti-white who supports the race replacement of White Westerners with Asians and Jews, along with the blending out of Whites via miscegenation. That makes you pro genocide of the White race.

          You want the same thing for Whites that Hitler wanted for the Jews.

          • JohnEngelman

            As soon as Jewish children born under legal emancipation had time to grow to adulthood, they started appearing in the first ranks of the arts and sciences…

            How does the actual number of significant figures compare to what would be expected given the Jewish proportion of the European and North American population? From 1870 to 1950, Jewish representation in literature was four times the number one would expect. In music, five times. In the visual arts, five times. In biology, eight times. In chemistry, six times. In physics, nine times. In mathematics, twelve times. In philosophy, fourteen times…

            In the first half of the 20th century, despite pervasive and continuing social discrimination against Jews throughout the Western world, despite the retraction of legal rights, and despite the Holocaust, Jews won 14 percent of Nobel Prizes in literature, chemistry, physics, and medicine/physiology. In the second half of the 20th century, when Nobel Prizes began to be awarded to people from all over the world, that figure rose to 29 percent. So far, in the 21st century, it has been 32 percent. Jews constitute about two-tenths of one percent of the world’s population. You do the math.

            – Charles Murray, from “Jewish Genius”

    • WR_the_realist

      That’s a big “if”. Let’s see if Wade really manages to keep his job.

  • John R

    He believes in the equality of all people? What B.S.! Obviously, after this man wrote a book that suggests just the OPPOSITE: That all humans are definitely NOT equal, he seems to feel the need to cover himself by parroting the PC line. Now, I do agree with the premise of his book. Just looking at very young children in stores, you can tell that the different races are different. The little black kids just can’t sit still, and run around like little monkeys. The Asian kids are very quiet and passive. It is obvious that the Negroid Race was evolved for warmer climates, and is genetically a hunter/gatherer sub species.

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      All human races, including the white race, developed at the hunter-gatherer stage. Agriculture is a relatively recent development (no more than 10,000 years old). Bantu Negroes spread all over sub-Sahara Africa when they already had mastered the arts of agriculture and iron working.

      • The Verdict of History

        Yea! Bantu Pride! —– right?

      • me

        Gathering wild plants and hunting wild animals are the very reason that the Bantus never had a stable society in which they could create a ‘civilization’ of any merit. They didn’t even have the wheel until the White man gave it to them. Animal husbandry and the science of agriculture are still almost non-existent among the tribes of Africa in the 21st Century. You must be the product of a ‘liberal education’.

        • Franklin_Ryckaert

          The only peoples in sub-Sahara Africa who are hunter-gatherers are the Pygmies and the Bushmen. Bantus, Nilo-Saharans and East Africans all are agriculturalists (or pastoralists). The Bantu expansion from Cameroon all over sub-Sahara Africa began some 3000 years ago because the Bantus had become agriculturalists (> greater population) and because they could work iron (> better weapons). From the 8th century to the beginning of European colonization powerful kingdoms arose in the Sahel zone. The idea of all Africans being primitive jungle savages is a caricature.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    If you haven’t read Nicholas Wade’s Before the Dawn, his 2006 book on human evolution, you are in for a treat. Good preparation for the May 6 release of his new book. Sample tidbit from Before the Dawn:

    “Though [Jane] Goodall at first believed the chimpanzees at Gombe lived in one big happy group, it later became clear . . . that the opposite is the case. Chimps are divided into communities of up to 120 members, which occupy and aggressively defend specific territories.” p141

  • hopeis4losers

    Wade’s on the right side – while working for the wrong side:) i pre-ordered the kindle. i read Wade’s “before the dawn.” harpending & cochran’s 2009 “the 10,000 year explosion” is even better. cochran’s interview about his book at the “new books in history” website is an excellent podcast. it makes the book much easier to understand. i recommend it highly!

  • bubo

    Wade believes deeply in the fundamental equality of all human peoples.

    He isn’t expecting that to save him is he? I hope he has some money put away because the Cathedral of Egalitarianism will destroy him.

    • jane johnson

      I hope he’s not holding his breath waiting for that “conversation”, either.

  • HJ11

    A sad thing about our present Dark Age is that it is controversial to point out scientific realities about race and evolution. Evolution is all about constant and never ending change and branching off. Also, as an aside, I see some folks using “Darwinism” as a synonym for evolution. They’re not the same. Darwin got much right about evolution, but there’s much more to the subject and Darwinsim is subsumed by Evolution.

  • Anon

    And so the nonsense of liberalism is laid bare. Worship “science” not Jesus as your God, all men are the same, no matter how different yet they “evolve” to become different, I mean, exactly the same, over time. And if you actually observe anything relevant to any of this….we’ll burn you at the stake.

    The reality. Evolution, especially, the Descent of Man, is a lie. Perhaps, in Darwin’s time it was meant as a legitimate scientific theory, but it hasn’t been that (legitimate) for a long, long time now. It fails all scientific inquiry, experimentation, observation and logic, across scientific disciplines and has for generations. Parts of it are ludicrous….for example, the idea that the “primordial ooze” one day just turned into life violate the prime tenant of biology (that life only ever comes from other life). Dozens of frauds have been exposed during the years and not one single legitimate example of “evolution” has ever been presented. Yet, the theory is sacred and treated as fact, not just by liberals but by a heck of alot of people who should know better. Why? Because it has become the cornerstone of atheism. And a heck of alot of people are devoted to atheism because they live their lives in such a wicked fashion that they are obviously going to hell….and that, umm, makes them nervous. Change is painful so alot of the “hip”, modern people of today would rather believe in incredible lies and wallow in degrading assumptions from those lies (like the idea that the black man is the race we all descend from….yikes) then examine themselves and their lives.

    The person who wrote this is literally freaking out over the cognitive dissonance. To understand this much more deeply, spend a few hours reading the Cambria Will Not Yield blog to gain a thorough understanding of Negro Worship, liberalism and anti-Christianity. These are all the same thing and they are evil in the extreme. The type of evil that involves victims….pain, suffering and death.

    The person who wrote this is desperately trying to avoid waking up to the fact that they are essentially a devil worshiper. And not the, read LeVay’s nonsense while smoking pot type of deveil worshiper…but the type that has been involved with human sacrifice etc.

    • The Verdict of History

      Even on Amren…

      Total loss of contact with reality….

      WOW!

      Even our Bolshevik press isn’t THIS clueless.

      • me

        Why don’t you cool and trendy atheists go attack the Muslims, Jews, Satanists, or Buddhists for awhile? Why so obsessive about Christianity? Soooo boring….

        • Franklin_Ryckaert

          Yes, trying to make theists atheists is boring. Let’s attack the Satanists for a change. Let’s try to make them asatanists.

        • WR_the_realist

          There are plenty of Muslim nut cases who join with Christian fundamentalists in refusing to accept the evidence for evolution. We just happen to have more nutty Christians than nutty Muslims in this country. If Christian biblical literalists don’t want to be ridiculed for rejecting well established facts of science they should stop rejecting those facts of science. I don’t know how Orthodox Jews view the theory of evolution but I every Jew I know of the non-Orthodox sort accepts it. I’m not sure what Buddhists think about evolution but so far as I know they don’t have a bee in their bonnet about it. As for Satanists, they can be ridiculed for worshiping Satan, not for accepting evolution.

    • Bossman

      What is it that you’re trying to say?

  • Alexandra1973

    I love it how people claim that race is only skin-deep.

    If that’s true, how come these anthropologists can tell race just by looking at the skull (and probably other bones as well)?

    • Anna Tree

      Ask them how white looked Halle Berry or the Chinese actress in the anti-white movie “Cloud Atlas” (the superior civilization is black, it’s the whites who speak ebonics and so on). All the make-up and dies and colored lenses etc didn’t make them white a bit (and Halle Berry is half white!).
      Similarly there are black Caucasians (Indians) and an African albino looks African, not European.

      You’re right, the skull, the hair, the teeth even the bacteria in the mouth are different between races.

      • Bossman

        Yes, there are racial differences but humans can be crossbred with other varieties of humans with relative ease.

    • Garrett Brown

      Skin is the furthest thing I pay attention to when observing people of different race. When I think of negroes I think of crime and low intelligence, not black skin. They could be purple and yellow for all I care.

    • Geo1metric

      It is only ignorant people and stupid people who really believe that race is only skin deep.

      Many other people “pretend” that race is only skin deep for political reasons.

  • Truthseeker

    I recently got into an argument with some liberals about genetic racial differences. Obviously, they couldn’t refute anything I said, they just told me I was a “racist,” and acted like I was some sort of flat-earther for believing that not all races were the same. Maybe they’ll listen now that the New York Times is on my side (but I doubt it).

    • RyanP

      This is the most frustrating thing to me. “Racism” has been associated with the bible believing young earth creationist flat earthers and the secular pro science skeptic is associated with racial equality. This is so backwards. To assume from the start that all races are the same is akin to an irrational religious belief. The race deniers are the flat earthers.

  • Rhialto

    “Fewer ideas have been more toxic or harmful than the idea of the biological reality of race, and with it the idea that humans of different races are biologically different from one another. ”

    This statement is an erroneous particle of Liberal dogma. Throughout human history most conflicts have been between humans of the same race. Most conflicts have been over territorial control or status, either internal or external. For example, the brutal conflicts between the European and Muslim nations during the early and late middle ages were between two different religions; both sides were Caucasian. An even better example, is the warfare in Asia, even more brutal, and it involved members of the same race. Civil wars and social upheavals are even better examples.

    The only major example of interracial warfare was the Mongol invasion of Europe. But the Mongols were as brutal toward their fellow Asiatics as they were toward Europeans.

    “What about the Nazis!” the Liberals will say. I have no intention of delving into Holocast issues, and certainly this is an example of race being a factor in governmental animosity. But the National Socialist government did honor its mutual defense treaty with non-Aryan Japan, and were anxious to work with the Semitic Arabs; so race was not the Germans sole Hate criterion. I cannot think of any other case where race was a motivating (not an incidental) factor.

    In fact, race as a concept, dates from the 19th century, and the beginnings of the scientific study of humanity. So how to the Liberals account for human animosity and toxicity before 1800? It is today’s Liberals who are the most race obsessed group; racial toxicity may be seeping into the Liberal brains.

    • Randall Ward

      A three year old knows what race is and can be fearful of another race. The libs believe there was no life worth living before they began to “measure” it. I don’t see how the human race survived for the 4 million years, at least, we have been on earth without the help of the commies.

  • JohnEngelman

    Good social policy can be based on premises that have nothing to do with scientific truth. The premise that is supposed to under gird all of our social policy, the founders’ assertion of an unalienable right to liberty, is not a falsifiable hypothesis. But specific policies based on premises that conflict with scientific truths about human beings tend not to work. Often they do harm.

    – Charles Murray, from “The Inequality Taboo”

  • Justin Felony

    Why do many whites love reproducing with nonwhites such as
    blacks? Why do they insist on equality
    when empirical and quantitative data prove otherwise? I think it’s in all the sexual pleasure for
    the mentally ill race mixers.

    • me

      Spoiled, mentally and emotionally unstable women tend to go after what will piss daddy off the most. In the past, dating a White ‘greaser’ or ‘hippie’ would do it. Now, with the degeneration of society, it takes a pavement ape or a squat monster to do it, because daddy is usually a ‘greaser’ or a ‘hippie’.

  • Spartacus

    “Wade believes deeply in the fundamental equality of all human peoples.”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    Then he’s an idiot .

  • Mergatroyd

    “…an explosive new account of the genetic basis of race and its role in the human story.”

    Nothing explosive about it. It’s been a well known fact for decades that IQ is not the same across the races. There is hard evidence of IQ difference, brain size differences and differences in temperament, future orientation, ability to defer gratification, levels of violence, etc. between Blacks and Whites. Instead, leftoids have been allowed to blame Whites for black IQ deficiencies, failure and violence.

    What needs to be “exploded” are those theories, those who push the falsehood of equal IQ across races and especially those who suppress the truth through intimidation and the “art” of personal destruction, i.e., what the cultural marxists did to James Watson when he pointed out the truth about black IQ.

    • Geo1metric

      It has been well known for millenia that the races are not of equal abilities. Many of the ancient writers noted these differences.

  • Garrett Brown

    “Wade believes deeply in the fundamental equality of all human peoples. ”

    I won’t be buying then.

    • Geo1metric

      That may be a “genuflection” to the pc god in order to get published.

      • Garrett Brown

        He votes for Obama.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    You hate hate-facts?

    • Laika

      Only John Engelman hates facts.

      • WR_the_realist

        Lot’s of people here hate some facts. Some people hate the fact of evolution. Some people hate the fact that Ashkenazim Jews have higher average IQs than gentile whites. Some people here hate the fact that East Asians have slightly higher average IQs than whites. Some people here hate the fact that there are some highly intelligent blacks who are smarter than they are.

  • Geo1metric

    Your sentiments are a good argument for the establishment of ethno-states. Think about how people in everyday life self-segregate; we largely associate “socially” with our “own kind” both on the intellectual level and the economic level.

    I think that it is universal that people like being with their “own kind”.

    No “race realist” I know find “pleasure” in “rendering emotional harm” on black people. For the most part, we just want to be left alone to build societies of our “own kind”.

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      Yes, but the horrible consequence would be that Blacks must stand on their own feet!

    • pcmustgo

      And we’re sick of them emotionally attacking us, which they do all the time if you interact with them on anything deeper but the most superficial level.

  • Geo1metric

    Perhaps this Engelman guy isn’t White.

    • Franklin_Ryckaert

      I’m suspecting he’s partially Jewish. Perhaps a Jewish mother or something.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    The oldest civilization is the Sumerian of 3200 BC. The white race exists already 40,000 years, thus Whites lived in prehistory most of the time.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    If you see the pictures in their publications of the coming Kingdom of Heaven on Earth with the happy smiling people of all races living together in paradisal environments you know enough about their attitude about race.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    Yes, and then they proceeded to make them equal…

    • WR_the_realist

      Yup. We’re all equal when we’re dead.

  • The Final Solution

    “polite academic conversation” in other words, a contrived bubble which no real common people ever spend any time in or care about.

  • The Final Solution

    “Wade believes deeply in the fundamental equality of all human peoples” I won’t be buying his book on that basis alone. I think I’ll read my newly acquired copy of Our Nordic Race which seems to be more in line with my views.

  • Garrett Brown

    The implications are that you’re at the bottom of the bell curve, which is fact. If that hurts your feelings, start breeding with the few intelligent black women you have or try to work with what you have to be a contributing member of society without using your skin to advance in the world.

    Typical blacks, always playing the victim. “waaaaah YT said were dumb waaaah”.

  • pcmustgo

    Blacks are always going out of the way to “stick it:” to whites. If Blacks and Amer-Indians (aka, Latinos) aren’t blamed for their own problems, whites are blamed for them. Blamed, targetted and punished.

  • Laika

    Demand of anyone who thinks different races have exactly the same IQ to prove it.

  • Laika

    If you find our comments irritating. Then leave. You won’t be missed.

    Why don’t you head over to Black Planet where you can fantasize about offing whites.

  • Lord_Steven_Regal

    Colored people render harm on whites by endlessly blaming them of racism and even attacking them as a result. If someone is to be harmed, I’d rather colored people be harmed by the truth than whites to continue to be harmed by a lie.

  • WR_the_realist

    I don’t give a damn what emotional harm is imposed on people by telling them the truth. I don’t find pleasure in it, but I don’t feel bad about it either.

  • Franklin_Ryckaert

    Your answer suggests that the Chinese are so intelligent because only the rich and well educated survived famines. Do you really want us to believe that the majority of the Chinese are descendants of a small minority? And why did this same mechanism not work in India? (average IQ 83). I think we rather have to look at racial differences rather than class selection. The Chinese are descendants of people who developed in extremely cold circumstances (in prehistory), which selected for higher intelligence in order to survive. That’s why even simple Chinese peasants have a relative high average IQ. The Indians are a mixture of Caucasoids and Australoids, which is a race that developed in a warm environment not selecting for high intelligence, hence an average IQ of 83 for Indians. Famines cannot have this selective effect. In the first place a small upper class cannot replace the masses when they have died out in a famine. In the second place famines seldom affect the whole country. If the masses of a certain region of a country have died out due to a famine, then they will be replaced by the masses of a neighboring region of the country not hit by a famine.

    • JohnEngelman

      Your explanation for the superior intelligence of Orientals is the same as that of Professor J. Philippe Rushton. It has some merit to it. Nevertheless, it fails to explain why the Neanderthals, who lived in Europe for several hundred thousand years during several ice ages, were less intelligent than the Cro Magnons who had spent that time evolving in Africa.

      In India the most prestigious class was that of the Brahman. This was also a caste. One was born into it or one was not.

      In China the most prestigious class was that of the Scholar Gentry. Entry into the Scholar Gentry was by competitive examination. In a few years the son of a peasant could achieve the highest honors and enter the highest level of Chinese society.

  • Randall Ward

    Wise words. We raised our children at home, and they never watched anything on tv except some sports. We worked together as a family and they grew up quickly. They were as responsible as an adult when they were 12 years old. All four have had minor problems but not the ones you describe. It was worth the effort. My wife and I sleep well at night.

  • Randall Ward

    Good post, but finch beak length and size differences in different environments is not evolution. It is adapting, but not evolution. A finch is still a finch and recognizable as a finch.

  • Randall Ward

    Don’t get too hung up on evolution as the reason for different races. Evolution has too many problems to be true and the problems are getting worse as more is known about life. We don’t know the reason why there are different races and the reason, if ever known, may surprise us all. The only fact that stands is; there are different races. That is enough to know.

  • Fak_Zakaix

    Yes, we need more Yellow people in order to survive. Maybe they will hire us as their servants. Fingers crossed.

    • stewball

      Hasn’t China just bought one of your banks or something?

  • ben no

    East Asians do not innovate with original ideas. To truly innovate is to revolutionize with scientific break through. They do not bring about these things with their crappier inferior cultures, not even when trying to emulate western cultures. A washing machine is the innovation, not the latest range of washing machines with new technology for instance. That is simply an advancement, and is not equal to the actual invention and creativity. East Asians are FAR from catching up to what Europeans and European-Americans have achieved. What is that don’t understand here? How many TIMES do we have to say this? There seems to be a part of the Mongoloid brain that is unable to understand the difference between innovation and advancement. I find this Asian stupidity to be tiresome and intolerable.

    • stewball

      I would say most scientific breakthroughs are coming from Israel.

  • David Ashton

    I agree with the point being made here, with the qualification that the differences between some purposely bred dog breeds are greater than those between human breeds. I have noted the genetic differences between human subspecies myself on this website and elsewhere several times previously. As with some dog breed crosses there are possibly “disharmonies” in certain wide crosses.

  • David Ashton

    Racial anthropology and eugenics science in pre-war Germany have been much attacked, often inaccurately, but the intensity and cruelties of Nazi actions against Jews between 1937 and 1945 intensified the egalitarian “anti-racism” of Jewish and socialists writers and anthropologists, many of the Boas school, and their influence with political collaboration from liberals, communists and christians. In this environment new “heretics” have been excluded and persecuted.

    On the question of human evolution and human rights, it might be worth reading Theodosius Dobzhansky. It is true that this Gentile worked with some of these Jewish anthropologists, but his maverick views on human nature and human rights, bearing in mind the diversity of existing races, are still enlightening in many respects today.

  • ben no

    This anti-white immigration policy is quite literally making our people very afraid and sick. You guys have to check out this painful message that I copy and pasted from a depression forum a few hours ago. And no, I will not give their name and link to the website.

    “I feel the same sought of pain, agony, fear and horror over the tragedy of what is happening to my people and nation as what a mother would feel if she were told that her children were going to be raped and murdered one day, and that it was inevitable and they deserve it. Now that may be a bit of an extreme example to use here, but the horrendous torment and despair is the same. I have major depression and chronic insomnia because forced mass immigration and multiculturalism is destroying my people and culture in every way possible, besides outright murder. And the fact that the latter isn’t happening is what justifies it all. So it is bloodless and silent like a cancer within.

    I also have full-blown avoidance symptoms and try to avoid non-whites at every possible chance, since to be in their large presence for a duration of time only causes me to slip into a massive dwelling state, where I feel suicidal. It is traumatic and traumatising beyond my ability to cope. Living to see the future of a poverty-stricken, crime-ridden and barbaric Islamic state and the full extent of my people’s ethnic cleansing is not conceivable right now. The biggest torment is in the ability to live and fully comprehend the catastrophic nightmare that awaits us.

    I have had four straight months of sleepless nights, practically without exception, and around five-out-of-seven days a week of body fatigue. I feel so tired and warn down, and I am only 26 years old! I was pregnant but miscarried on purpose, as in my circumstance, there is nowhere I could raise child, much less provide for one. I felt hopeless and helpless and I caused the death of my own foetus!! I HATE what our traitorous government has done my nation and people. I can’t BARE IT. What did we do? Why are they causing such evil and punishment to us? Why do they indoctrinate us and encourage us to commit racial suicide? Death seems like my only option. Strangely, I even feel like I could die for my people to make things safe and okay for them again. I don’t want to live myself, I just want them to live and survive.”

  • David Ashton

    HEY PRESTO! Here it is at 11.49 PM GMT.

  • scottthestrategerist

    Those aren’t the issues. The issues (briefly) are:

    1. The earliest surviving Christian literature, including canonical epistles, refers to Jesus as a god in the spirit world and not as a human. In other words, he was a carnalised god and not a deified man.

    2. There is no element of his life which isn’t derived from either Jewish Midrash or pre-Christian, pagan, soteriological deities such as Dionysus, Horus, etc.

    3. The destruction of the Temple would cause some Jews to turn to Scripture and come up with a “cause,” and the Jewish killing of the Messiah fits that cause. Indeed, that’s stated overtly in the Gospels and Jesus even “predicts” the destruction of the Temple and the transfer of Divine favor from the Jews to the Romans!

    4. There is no valid historical mention of Jesus, and the fact that Christians felt the need to forge a reference to him in Josephus, the Tacitean forgery, and taking passages out of context in works such as Soetonius, only further evidence that he didn’t exist.

    5. There is no contemporary Jewish reference to him. To be sure, the Jews know of a Jeshu ben Pandera, but he was a contempoary of Alexander Jannaues who lived 100 years before the time of the gospels.

    6. The Gospels contradict each other repeatedly, especially on important issues such as the birth of Jesus and the Resurrection. Indeed, the oldest manuscripts of Mark (the earliest Gospel) contain no resurrection story at all, but merely end with the empty tomb and a statement that the women “told no one.” This would fit if Mark was writing for an audience early enough in time (around, say, 80-100 CE) that they might ask why they had never heard of any such resurrection? Later writers didn’t have this problem and so they wrote all kinds of crazy things, such as the patriarchs and prophets coming out of their tombs, the darkness at noon, etc.

    7. A majority of scholars say all humans innately possess the exact same abilities in the exact same amounts, which explains all the black accountants and Jewish basketball players. My point is that consensus is a sure sign of fallacy.

    You were probably raised Christian and are emotionally invested in it. My father was also raised in the faith, but was NOT emotionally invested in it! Either way, the improbabilities and contradictions are too numerous. If these problems plagued some other religion, I’m sure you would dismiss it as non-historical and only decline to do so because of your attachment to it.

  • stewball

    That just shows the bible is s load of rubbish.