NAACP to File Complaint over Entry Test for Elite New York High Schools

Jonathan Allen, Yahoo! News, September 26, 2012

The largest U.S. civil rights group plans to file a complaint on Thursday over the admissions test at New York City’s specialized high schools, among the nation’s most elite public schools, citing effective discrimination against black and Latino students, the group said.

The complaint with the U.S. Department of Education focuses on eight schools in the city, particularly on Stuyvesant High and Bronx Science, which boast stellar alumni including several Nobel laureates, famed actors and musicians, and U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.

While more than half the population of New York City is black or Latino, black students made up only 1.2 percent of the Stuyvesant student body last year, while Latino students represented 2.4 percent, city data showed.

The National Association for the Advancement of Colored People, which is filing the complaint, said the highly competitive, 2-1/2-hour, multiple-choice Specialized High School Admissions Test was at fault for the disparity.

“Year after year, thousands of academically talented African-American and Latino students who take the test are denied admission to the Specialized High Schools at rates far higher than those for other racial groups,” the NAACP said in a draft of its complaint shared with media outlets on Wednesday before the Thursday filing.

If the department investigates and finds New York is in breach of the 1964 Civil Rights Act, it can sanction the city by withholding federal funding until the breach is resolved, the NAACP said.

The city’s Department of Education said in a statement on Wednesday it was bound by state law to admit students based “solely on an exam.”

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The NAACP said in its complaint that the test had never been shown to predict reliably a student’s academic potential, and breached the Civil Rights Act by having an “unjustified, racially disparate impact.”

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  • potato78

    The NAACP said in its complaint that the test had never been shown to
    predict reliably a student’s academic potential, and breached the Civil
    Rights Act by having an “unjustified, racially disparate impact.”

    How much special treatment the NAACP would like to have?

    The Affirmative Action is not enough for blacks and hispanics?

    What about blacks and hispanics don’t have to take any test anymore.  Let them all into whatever program they would like to join in.

    • The__Bobster

      Just hand out diplomas to the Zulu applicants after four years. They don’t even have to attend classes. In fact it’s better that they don’t.

    • John Bonham

       That’s exactly what they are looking for… I’m surprised the messiah hasn’t signed executive order issuing that claim..

  • loyalwhitebriton

    The NAACP said in its complaint that the test had never been shown to predict reliably a student’s academic potential…

    Initial reaction: what a bizzare statement. But then again, I’m British and don’t know much about your education system. For all I know, your average down-town NYC majority black public school is also turning out Nobel Prize Laureates and accomplished actors and musicians.
    That’s the thing about “racism” – it often blinds you to reality.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

       Ah, but you are failing to realize how these people think.

      Intelligence and knowledge is not something a person will learn, but something they will be taught.

      So the reason this school is turning out nobel laureates is because they are a superior institution of teaching people stuff.
      So if someone who’s scored high on the test goes there, or someone who flunked it, it doesn’t matter, since it all comes down to the quality of the school.

      And the reason blacks flunked the test is of course because they went to a bad school, who couldn’t teach them things, not that they were incapable of learning.

      It all comes down to the tabula-rasa ideology, where such things as genetics and intelligence is a non-factor.
      The only reason a dumb kid is dumb, is because he went to a bad school.

      Which in extension means that the only reason whites consistently outscore blacks is because whites go to better schools (whites do go to better schools, but that’s because it is students who determine the quality of a school more so than the school’s administration).
      Which means it’s racism to keep blacks out of the “good schools”, so that blacks score lower and will never catch up, like the tabula rasa-ideology says they should.

      And the empirical fact that a schools quality drops when you start admitting blacks, be it in schools, federal departments or neighbourhoods, is because whites will move away and then somehow magically spirit away the quality with them, keeping it from the poor, deserving blacks, just du to plain sheer racism.

      That’s why these people harp on about structural racism, because wherever there are whites and quality, and blacks get in and the quality drops, it must be because whites are taking the quality away to keep it to themselves.

  • MekongDelta69

    I actually graduated from Stuyvesant (yes, really – I can scan my diploma and I think I can upload it to Disqus) a long time ago. ALL of us had to take a 3 hour admissions test and if you passed, you got to pick if you wanted to go to Stuy, B.S. or Brooklyn Tech. If you failed, you went to your neighborhood H.S.

    Back then (in the Pliocene Epoch), it was the best school in the entire country. Once every blue moon, I look at my Indicator (the Stuy yearbook) from my graduation year. It was overwhelmingly Jewish/White, with some Orientals, a few Spanish and a few blacks. Affirmative Action didn’t exist then, so I’m assuming the few blacks and Spanish kids earned their way in (although the admins could have snuck them in, but I can’t prove that).

    Today, Stuy is overwhelmingly Oriental, then Jewish/White and still just a few Spanish and black kids. However, like every other academic institution since the Paleolithic Era, it has morphed into a far left institution.

    I’ve never given a dime to the Alumni Association and have written them in the past to tell them exactly why. They even printed my letter in the Spectator (their newsletter), which surprised me. Of course I got the usual leftist ‘hate’ responses in the next edition of the Spectator, accusing me of being a ‘racist’ knuckle-dragging white guy and of being a ‘baby killing’ Vietnam Vet, along with some other ‘amusing’ comments.

    I just wrote them back and told them to take my name off their mailing list, b/c I was sick of dealing with leftist morons and institutions.

    However, don’t you worry boys and girls – between the NAACP, the ACLU and the DOJ (Holder graduated from Stuy after I did), they’ll make sure unqualified blacks and browns will be allowed to stream in there uncontested and untested and then Stuy will turn into the same ****-hole every other P.S. in NYC is now.

    • Les H

      Just wait until they are admitted into Medical Schools as many doctors retire or move out of the medical profession.

      Add the potential of Obamacare–God help us all….

      • Up to my neck in CA

        The day I fear most is when my elderly White Doctor tells me he is going to retire.

  • IstvanIN

    1 + 1 = 2 but only in the mind of a racist white man with no imagination!

  • B

    If the test doesn’t predict a student’s potential then what would? The prejudiced NAACP needs to stop blaming white people for black failure.

    • John Bonham

       Yeah ,like that will ever happen .. What will they have then ??  ..

  • potato78

    The city’s Department of Education said in a statement on Wednesday it
    was bound by state law to admit students based “solely on an exam.”

    Blacks and Hispanics must pass the test, which is:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Z9R57maGvc&feature=watch-vrec

    for admission.

    • Koreans don’t have their women fawning over diversity males in their music videos? 

      THE NERVE!

  • APaige

    “Year after year, thousands of academically talented African-American and Latino students”…thousands?…every year?…academically talented? I bet grades and recommendations are used in the evaluation process and/or used to detrimine who should take the test. Does anyone know if more then just the tests are used? 

  • Detroit_WASP

    Who wrote the new test….Al Sharpton?

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      They’ll use the same test the NYFD uses:

      1.  What ethnicity do you consider yourself?   If black or hispanic skip to question 100.

      100.  Sign name here.

      Congratulations, you’ve been admitted!!  Welcome to Stuyvesant!

      For blacks and hispanics, this is what is considered fair — but only for them. (because it’s the ONLY way they can compete with Whites and Asians).

      Bon

  • Detroit_WASP

    Sad, expect a lot more of this.

  • Blacks are so stupid they can’t understand they’re stupid.

    • JohnEngelman

      Do you remember that famous experiment when black girls tended to choose white dolls over black dolls? After I began to access this site I learned that black girls in integrated public schools were more likely to choose white dolls. The explanation given was that because they attended school with many whites they knew that the whites were usually more intelligent. 

  • I don’t get it….. I was lead to believe that race was merely a social construct. So, who or what are these blacks and hispanics I keep hearing about they also deny exist?

    • No the white man is keeping them down because of their darker skin color.

      • Many minorities believe that your very existence as a White person holds them down….White Privilege 

  • It’s comforting to see that that Yahoo article has almost 600 comments as of now, and all of the 100 or so I viewed are in fierce opposition to NAACP.

  • Anonymous

    “The NAACP said in its complaint that the test had never been shown to predict reliably a student’s academic potential, and breached the Civil Rights Act by having an “unjustified, racially disparate impact.'”
    So in effect, you’re basically saying that any test that yields a unequal outcome is a biased test (note with no proof to boot).

  • Les H

    This is yet another reason that America will become a 3rd world country in a few generations; the pursuit of excellence has been deemed ‘unfair & racist’ by groups that refuse to meet standards for a variety of reasons, that in the end are excuses.

    Make NO mistake, in the Global economy, the Chinese & Indians won’t be sucked in by the failure of the ‘blacks and browns’ in America who demand lower standards—it will be OVER for America.

    We are seeing the end of America coming….thanks to the groups like the NAACP who lower the bar, rather than challenge people to excellence.

  • Easyrhino1

    And the 40 yard dash has never been shown to predict reliably athletic potential. 
     
    Must……….have……….more (use Capt. Kirk voice)…White….receivers……………………intheNFL!

    • A race is a ‘test’ of human ability. Blacks don’t seem to be concerned that the uneven outcome of races prove ‘test bias’.

  • Just think how many poor white kids are denied lucrative player positions with the NBA and NFL, there is a disproportionate amount of blacks in both leagues, why doesn’t anyone cry out for social justice in these cases?

    • It is only fair because of slavery! Of course, despite the immoral nature of slavery, it was the best thing to ever happen to blacks. If it wasn’t for slavery  the blacks in America would be in mud huts resting for their next spear hunt.   

      This case by the NAACP is almost too stupid to respond to. Even my liberal roommate thought it was incredibly dumb when I showed him the story. 

  • bubo

    More proof that they never wanted equal opportunity.  They demand equal or better outcome.  Every time.  No excuses.  And remember white folks, the truth is no defense. 

  • A test discriminates against stupid people and smart people.

    Every time blacks and their apologists tell us test discriminate, the above statement should be our first response.

  • IstvanIN

     Good golly, at least phrase the question correctly, they don’t say “down and dirty”, that would be a term the NAACP would rightly point out as having disparate impact.  The correct phrase would be “git wit”.  Thank you.

    •  …or “get sum…”

      • IstvanIN

         Yup that is another term.  I never knew “down and dirty” was gay lingo.

    • John Bonham

       LMAO !!

  • JohnEngelman

    The NAACP said in its complaint that the test had never been shown to predict reliably a student’s academic potential.        
    – Jonathan Allen, Yahoo! News, September 26, 2012       
             
         
    This is a testable assertion. The burden of proof should be on the NAACP. 

  • JohnEngelman

    Blacks and Hispanics should not be angry that mental aptitude tests discriminate against them. They should be embarrassed to draw attention to it. 
     
    Discrimination on the basis of race alone is unjust. Discrimination on the basis of what correlates with race is appropriate. 

    • IstvanIN

       Discrimination on the basis of race alone is justified, we have an obligation to our own first and foremost, not the other.

      • JohnEngelman

        Why should a white person with low test scores be admitted before a non white person with high test scores? The future does not belong to the white race. It belongs to individuals with high IQs. If you visit one of our best universities or corporations you will find many non whites there. As long as they earned the right to be there with superior merit that is as it should be, and as it is going to continue to be. 
                                    
        The American society and economy when being a white man was good enough is gone with the wind. Now one needs to perform and produce. 

        • SLCain

          “Why should a white person with low test scores be admitted before a non white person with high test scores?”

          First of all, that’s a bogus argument.  We’re not talking about letting in whites with low scores.  And just what do those high SAT (or whatever the applicable test is called) scores mean for foreign applicants?  How honest do you think standardized testing in a place like India?

          Second of all, those universities were built by OUR ancestors.  They were built for THEIR posterity, not a bunch of chinese or indians.

          If you want to live in some kind of imaginary libertarian fantasy-land, where who you and your kin are and where you come from, is of no import, then knock yourself out –  go live in Singapore or Bahrain.

          But leave us to OUR own nations.

          • JohnEngelman

            Who says this is YOUR own nation. America belongs to those who are here legally, and who obey the laws. 

          • John Bonham

            JohnEngelman , Sorry, but America was built by the white men for the white man …
            Why is it not ok to have a nation of our own ?? Is it because we are white ?? Japan has a Japanese nation , India has a Indian nation , China has a Chinese nation .. Seems the U.S is the only nation being forced to assimilate and push whites out.. Now why do you think that is ?? Why don’t you move to Cuba ?? Oh, that’s right that’s a Cuban nation.. Hmmm.

  • SFLBIB

    Maybe the schools would be better off without federal funding.

    • If public education altogether was abolished the country would be much better off.
      The kids would be smarter, and the states would be solvent. 

  • IanJMacDonald

    Da test be raciss.

  • So I have decided to give “The g Factor” a full read. I am very familiar with most of the concepts in the book but truly only at a superficial level. If I want to consider myself educated on the subject of individual/group differences intelligence I best familiarize myself intimately with the best literature on the subject. 

    side-note: The librarian gave me a strange look when I was checking the book out. I half expected it.

  • seattlesnow

    but but but you people don’t live here so why do you care?

    • 5n4k33y3s

       Why do we care? Because these “Affirmative Action” bullies are taking away jobs and college entry slots even when whites are more qualified.

      Don’t you find it embarrassing and shameful that they would rather take a short cut, and get preferential treatment based on the color of their skin, not the content of their character?

      And by cutting to the front of the line because of their race, take opportunities away from others who score higher on those same entrance exams? I would be ashamed to accept “Affirmative Action”. How shameless they are. How embarrassing and dishonorable.

      Tell me honestly, if you needed surgery after head trauma from a car accident, would you rather go to a surgeon who got into college and graduated, and got hired solely because of his race, or would your rather go to the surgeon who made it because he studied?

      Would you rather ride an elevator maintained by a guy who was qualified, or another guy who was not qualified, and got hired to be a maintenance man because of his race? Be serious man! Jesus wept!

    • 5n4k33y3s

       Why do we care? Because these “Affirmative Action” bullies are taking away jobs and college entry slots even when whites are more qualified.

      Don’t you find it embarrassing and shameful that they would rather take a short cut, and get preferential treatment based on the color of their skin, not the content of their character?

      And by cutting to the front of the line because of their race, take opportunities away from others who score higher on those same entrance exams? I would be ashamed to accept “Affirmative Action”. How shameless they are. How embarrassing and dishonorable.

      Tell me honestly, if you needed surgery after head trauma from a car accident, would you rather go to a surgeon who got into college and graduated, and got hired solely because of his race, or would your rather go to the surgeon who made it because he studied?

      Would you rather ride an elevator maintained by a guy who was qualified, or another guy who was not qualified, and got hired to be a maintenance man because of his race? Be serious man! Jesus wept!

    • SLCain

       But you people aren’t smart enough to get into those schools, so why do YOU care?

    • 5n4k33y3s

      Good troll. I should have noticed the sarcasm. 

  • jedsrael

    WITH A GREAT DEGREE OF CERTAINTY, they reinforce the outdated and ugly attitude that race has nothing to do with troubling test scores.  Since it’s only a “poverty” problem, taxes against White privilege will solve it.  Race has nothing to do with poverty, only evil Whites who aren’t living up to their obligations to help “the Other”:

    http://www.ajc.com/news/news/local/great-divide-lurks-beneath-fultons-sat-success/nSP4w/

    Great divide lurks beneath Fulton’s SAT success

    Nothing new about that. Fulton — like school systems across the nation — has grappled for decades with an achievement gap between schools in affluent communities and those in areas of greater poverty. But the extremes in Fulton make the contrast starker and illustrate how difficult the gap is to close.

    The gap starts opening early, according to studies on early vocabularies, a predictor of academic performance. The gap tracks along economic, not ethnic, lines. Three-year-olds from welfare homes, for example, have less than half as many words in their vocabularies as those from families headed by professionals, the studies show.

    • Major

      “Three-year-olds from welfare homes, for example, have less than half as many words in their vocabularies as those from families headed by professionals, the studies show.”

      Which is why black Ebonics ( Ebonics is really the study of the rules applied to turn English into some uneducated sounding pseudo-language whose purpose is for the most part to insult and denigrate “Whitey.”) translators don’t have vowels or consonants in their data base and sell for $5! As opposed to those who choose to learn English with a Webster dictionary that costs 5 times as much. The NAACP is way to stupid and ignorant to even see that the “soft bigotry of low expectations” is what they really expect we’ll grant them indefinetly.

      50 years and trillions later…blacks are still the underbelly of reason and intellectual capacity…and I use that term loosely.

      And I don’t doubt for one minute that they’d be satisfied if after graduation Letecia or Doowayne simply signing their names to an application would qualify them as a neurosurgeon if that’s what they desired.

      Shame? Shame? You have to be kidding. The Negro in pursuit of the fantasy of equality with Whites or Asians will never be realized in our lifetimes…or theirs.

  • 5n4k33y3s

    I never would have guessed the “Affirmative Action” advocates would acquire such a strong sense of entitlement. How ridiculous. They ought to study for the danged test and quit complaining, begging, accusing, and making up excuses. They have no shame!

  • 5n4k33y3s

    I wouldn’t lump Mexicans together with American blacks. All I ever see Mexicans do is work. Blacks on the other hand… 

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      In California, Mexicans work for cash and then collect government benefits.

      Bon

      • 5n4k33y3s

        I’ve worked construction with Mexicans and they keep up a good tempo. In NYC all the Mexicans you see are hard at work, it seems.

        The only people in NYC who can afford to be lazy are those who are rich and the ones who cajoled the “progressive” “liberals” to give them hand-outs.

        Mexicans put me out of work, but they don’t hate me and I don’t hate them. I was meant for more cognitive work anyway, so I adapted.

        Blacks on the other hand… They’ve made an academic “discipline” and a cottage industry out of hating whites.

        Immigration from south and central America is excessive, and I oppose their ambitions. But regardless of this, things will never be as bad between whites and Mestizos as they are between whites and blacks.

        Furthermore, the fictitious black / brown alliance will never solidify. It is nothing but empty rhetoric. American Blacks and immigrants of south America and central America are on completely different wavelengths.

        Blacks and Mexicans don’t mix in the night clubs. They don’t socialize at all. And it is the blacks who always say “black and brown”, not the Mestizos who want to be lumped together with the blacks.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Look at it another way.  

    Maybe those blacks and mexicans are NOT being put into our nice, clean White societies to ‘change’ blacks and mexicans.  

    Maybe the REAL purpose blacks and mexicans are being shoe-horned into White societies is to race-replace Whites and destroy White societies.

    These lefty elitists know EXACTLY what they are doing.

    Bon

  • IstvanIN

     Fly billion dollar fighter planes?  Yikes.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    “WE” aren’t lying to each other.  The government, media and education system shove their dogma that “all races are of equal intelligence”  down OUT throats against all known empirical evidence.

    Defying the prevailing dogma that “IQ is meaningless” has severe and punitive consequences.

    WE must toe the line and pretend that all races are equal in all ways, lest we be “Watsoned” — out of a job!!

    I fully expect that if 0bama is re-elected that even mentioning such things as racial IQ differences will become felonious Hate Speech punished by heavy fines, loss of  career and real prison time (but only for Whites of course).  Ask the English and Canadians about that.

    Bon

  • B

    Does the test have a mind of it’s own, capable of being biased? The NAACP should have their day in court just so we can expose what idiots they truly are.

  • RisingReich

    This ‘disparate impact’ crap is being used to destroy any sense of sanity left in the world. 

    ‘Disparate impact’ was used to force banks to lend to these creatures whom traditionally didn’t qualify for loans because the banks knew they were incapable of living life in a way which would allow them the necessary means to make payment.  Now all these foreclosures and such.

    Now the ‘march’ into education, but it won’t stop there.

    Soon employers running credit checks and background checks will be deemed to have caused ‘disparate impact’ and be required to hire felons with bad credit records (read easily compromised character) to work at financial institutions.  How great would it be to have this kind of an employee have access to your brokerage statement, SSN, home address, and list of other accounts?

    All because someone was ‘disparately impacted’.  The concept is a made up one, made up by people who see racism behind every corner, every blade of grass.

    Madness.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Yes, and this is how we Whites are losing our homelands — the U.S., England, Europe, South Africa. What then? The young are stupidly led to believe that the world will be a better place when ALL Whites are replaced with non-Whites in traditionally White countries.

    Soon, and inevitably, those naive young people will be lorded over by a tyrannical, heavily armed, hostile, non-White population that believes all of their inherent failures are the fault of Whites.

    All because of what leftist maniacs have done to this country. The U.S. was never meant to be a multi-racial “melting pot.”

    Sic transit gloria mundi

    Bon

  • SLCain

    “The NAACP said in its complaint that the test had never been shown to predict reliably a student’s academic potential”

    The city should tell the NAACP: “Okay, we’ll switch to a discriminant that is even better at predicting a student’s academic potential………………whether or not he is black.”

  • SLCain

    “JohnEngelman wrote:

    Who says this is YOUR own nation? America belongs to those who are here legally, and who obey the laws.”

    It is my nation, more than it is anybody’s from India or China.  Who said that it was YOUR nation to give away, you jackass.   If you want to be disenfranchised in your own home, then go find somewhere else to live – someplace where your preferences will not effect the rest of us.  And as to your precious “others”, whom you foolishly believe will share some kind of high-IQ wonderland with you, they will (wisely) view you not as an ally, but as a useful tool – to them you will always be a “them”, not an “us”.

    You are a useful idiot.  Nothing more.

  • potato78

     Equalitism strongly held by White/Jewish people.

  • potato78

    ““Year after year, thousands of academically talented African-American
    and Latino students who take the test are denied admission to the
    Specialized High Schools at rates far higher than those for other racial
    groups,” the NAACP said in a draft of its complaint shared with media
    outlets on Wednesday before the Thursday filing.”

    Why do white people solely discriminate Blacks and Latinos year after year???

    Can any white come here to explain it?

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTLlgmZWL00&feature=watch-vrec

  • SheikYerbouti

    They do not think like this.  If there’s a shortcut to LOOKING successful at something, that’s the route they will take.  Standards are just another way the racist government encroaches on the lives of innocent blacks.  In most departments you only need a single productive white employee to make a half dozen useless black employees appear to be doing something.

  • youhavetherighttoremainsilent

     it is racist that issac newton set on a farm by himself and formulated the laws of physics invented calculus and a theory of gravitation. it is biased. it is biased that einstein invented special and general relativity. it is racially biased.  they must have been racists.

  • John Bonham

     1964 Civil Rights Act ,we shall overcome <<< When is this fraud going to end ??  Never, and I bet whites won't be able to use it when whites become minorities ..

  • John Bonham

     Yes, screw everything up and then on to the next city .. SMH.

  • Quick question for Amren Commenters:

    Have there been any good books on the roots of cultural marxism and/or racial egalitarianism? Perhaps a decent sized article would do but I’m interested in the specifics of this subject. I feel this is paramount in order to make sense of our current state of affairs to average people.

    • JJDKII

      This is available on YouTube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ASdKwmHN-fI

  • Up to my neck in CA

    Tests be rayciss!!

    So is the NAACP admitting that blacks and mestizos are dumber than Whites and Asians?

  • Conjugation of the verb “to be” from Ebonics class:

    I be                    We be
    You be               You be
    He, she, it be    They be

  • Up to my neck in CA

    Did you know his daughter was killed by her diversity boyfriend?

    http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Ex-Raider-s-Daughter-Slain-Boyfriend-of-Tracey-2946649.php#photo-2259629

    I wonder if she dated diversity becuse her Father played football?

  • Goetz von Berlichingen

    I believe the term is “Scottish”.

    “Scotch” is a variety of whiskey.

    On the other hand, the black girls would still feel inferior if they were going to school with barefoot Polynesian girls in grass skirts or Iroquois girls who showed up wearing doe skin dresses and moccassins, because they would be.  When you’re at the very bottom of the human heap, you don’t need any excuses to feel inferior; you ARE inferior.