Behind the Surge from Guatemala

Thomas Jackson, American Renaissance, August 29, 2014

An eye-opening account of Central American dystopia.

David Stoll, El Norte or Bust!, Rowman & Littlefield, 2013, 281 pp., $32.95.

Why are all those unaccompanied minors coming here from Central America? El Norte or Bust! is an eye-opening–even astonishing–account of how indigenous Guatemalans live, why they come north, and what happens when they do. It was written before the latest wave of minors, but casts a pitiless light on the motives and methods of Central American peasants who take huge risks to get into the United States.


The author, David Stoll, is a far-far-left anthropologist at Middlebury College in Vermont. He would love to think of indigenous Guatemalans as noble creatures, faithful to ancient Mayan traditions, but he is too honest to paint them in false colors. These people are materialistic primitives, both gullible and exploitative, who treat women like cattle, and are incapable of building a modern society. Studying their antics may be great fun for academics, but these are obviously not people we want in our country.

Prof. Stoll has been doing research in Guatemala since the 1980s. He reports that probably one of every nine Guatemalans is in the US, most of them illegally. In 2010, they sent home $4.16 billion, which was the biggest source of foreign exchange. This shower of cash has produced a wave of mugging, robbery, and kidnapping. Since the legal system is corrupt, angry mobs lynch suspected criminals, usually by burning them to death.

There is very little public trust, and the country is riven by clans and kinship groups. No one cares about the greater interest, and politics is “a conspiracy to plunder public resources.”

In short, the country is a mess:

[A]ll fourteen million Guatemalans are at constant risk from collapsing infrastructure, corrupt officials, and out-of-control criminals. More and more have concluded not just that their country does not function very well, but that it will never function very well, not least because it is inhabited by each other, so they would prefer to leave. The national desire to escape is why the country’s leading newspaper, Prensa Libre, covers the U.S. immigration debate in greater detail than many American newspapers do, and why Guatemalan peasants are often better informed about the latest crackdown than Americans are. The annual flow of remittances from the United States has become an anxiously tracked index of national well-being. New schemes to escape Guatemala receive prominent coverage, spark rumors, and enrich scam artists who, in exchange for hefty fees, offer foreign visas that never come through.


Prof. Stoll has written several books about Guatemala. This one concentrates on the remote village of Nebaj, which is populated mainly by Amerindians, some of whom do not even speak Spanish. Its 20,000 people are mostly poor, and would consider themselves lucky to own a cow, though almost all have cell phones. Nebajenses, as they are called, have traditionally been subsistence corn farmers, and the women are known for brightly embroidered blouses. Prof. Stoll warns that his findings may not apply to the entire country, but he suspects they do.

Thanks to potable water and vaccinations, Guatemalan death rates have plummeted, but Indians, who make up about 40 percent of Guatemala’s population, still have six or seven children per woman. The population of the Nebaj area is an estimated five times greater than at the time of the Spanish conquest, so there is not enough land to go around. Everyone there has seen images of the United States on television, and is greedy for motorcycles, new houses, big-screen TVs, and money to splash around.

Curiously, one of the most durable signs of Western influence is Evangelical Christianity. As many as 60 percent of Nebajenses are Pentecostal, and Prof. Stoll writes that Christian music blares from boom boxes, adding to the already terrific din of people and motorbikes. Aid officials are disconcerted to find that these descendants of the Maya follow the religion that lefties despise the most, but Prof. Stoll thinks that “meeting several times a week to a tuneful beat and going into a mild trance” is probably harmless.

Traditional life in Nebaj was turned upside down by three things: a guerrilla war, the foreign aid that followed, and the United States. In the 1970s, a Marxist group set up a revolutionary force called the Guerrilla Army of the Poor, and some of the Nebaj locals joined up. The Guatemalan army came and burned whole villages in reprisal. After the fighting ended in 1983, the Nebaj area become a Mecca for foreign uplift artists of all sorts.

Everyone especially wanted to help the Indians. There were other indigenous areas that suffered as badly from the fighting, but Prof. Stoll thinks Nebaj got more than its share of aid because of the fancy blouses. Foreign aid whetted appetites for everything money can buy, and had the unintended effect of helping pay the coyotes who smuggled Nebajenses to America.

Prof. Stoll estimates that remittances from the United States probably doubled the cash income of Nebaj. Many of the Nebajenses who went to the United States in the 1990s did well, and came home flush with cash, but the riches were not equally distributed: “Garish mansions and cement high-rises tower over the traditional adobe homes and red-tile roofs.” People with dollars bought up farmland, and land prices spiked. All this provoked intense envy, and sent more Indians scampering north, just the US economy crashed in 2008. The result has been catastrophe for many Nebajenses, most of whom had borrowed heavily to pay the coyotes who took them north.

How migration works

Prof. Stoll lays to rest a few myths. It is not the poorest Guatemalans who come north, but the equivalent of the middle and upper-middle classes: “Guatemalan migrants are poverty-stricken [only] in relation to their rapidly-rising expectations.” They are certainly not fleeing government or insurgent violence, which ended 30 year ago, though they tell spectacular lies about imagined persecution if they think they can get refugee status. Nor does Prof. Stoll cite a single case of a Guatemalan who was fleeing crime; they all promise to come back after they make a bundle. As Prof. Stoll explains, “Nebaj seethes with schemes to acquire wealth,” and going north is a scheme that sometimes actually works.

At the time Prof. Stoll was writing, it cost a Guatemalan at least $5,000 in coyote fees to get into the United States. Where did households with an annual income of $1,500 get that kind of money? They borrowed it. Some mortgaged their houses or their land. Others borrowed from other Nebajenses, at the prevailing interest rate of 10 percent per month. Some of the money originated as “microcredits” at lower interest rates from government banks or aid organizations that thought they were funding small businesses.

Prof. Stoll found that coyotes are not an easy subject of study, but learned that it takes a whole network of them to get a Nebajense to Arizona. Specialties include smuggling Guatemalans into Mexico, getting them across Mexico to the US border, sneaking them across the border, and getting them to a safe house. The aspiring illegal pays $2,000 up front, and then has a family member pay the rest after he phones to say he has made it to the safe house. There is always the danger that coyotes will take the up-front money and abandon his pollos or “chickens” well short of the United States, but coyotes with bad reputations do not get repeat business.

There is so much money to be made in the coyote business that agents troll for customers and get a commission for everyone they sign up. Prof. Stoll finds that coyotes are not universally hated, since they provide a useful service. Coyotes, themselves, believe they are offering people the chance of a lifetime.

If Guatemalans are caught at the border, they lie to the Border Patrol and claim to be Mexican so they will be dumped back across the border rather than flown to Guatemala. Some coyotes offer as many as three tries to get across the border.

Most of the illegals are men, and once they are in the US, the idea is to send home as much money as possible, even if it means working long hours and living like an animal. Prof. Stoll writes that an immigrant might work one eight-hour shift at MacDonald’s, walk a mile to another MacDonald’s, and work another eight-hour shift. There may be four or more people to a bedroom, furnished with nothing but mattresses and a big-screen TV. Most of the men do not have bank accounts, and hate blacks, who sometimes rob them.

Prof. Stoll finds that Guatemalans prefer to work for whites, who usually treat them fairly. Koreans and Chinese exploit them ruthlessly, but the worst are their own people: “The ultimate in profitability is to turn one’s co-ethnics or co-nationals into a captive labor force.”

Most illegals get false documents, including a social security number. Often the numbers belong to real people. Prof. Stoll notes one case in which nine different Guatemalans were using the number of a man who was in prison. All wages registered to a social security number add to the benefits that are paid after retirement, so the prisoner was saving up nicely for old age.

Guatemalan illegals try to keep out of sight. Still, some are arrested for drunk driving, and they are used to living so noisily — “Americans live in silence,” says one — that angry neighbors call the police on them. Some come to the attention of authorities when they get a woman pregnant and discover to their horror that wages can be garnished for child support. An illegal who is deported before he has paid off the coyote debt is in a hole. In desperation, he may make another trip and dig himself a deeper hole. A Nabajense explains that if illegals die in a fight or a traffic accident, “The family expects money and gets a cadaver.”

Financing the trip

A lot of the money used to pay coyotes is diverted from “microcredits,” which were the favorite Third-World anti-poverty snake oil of the 1990s and 2000s. The idea was that peasants are brimming with entrepreneurial ideas, and stay poor only because they can’t get bank loans. For some reason, it was thought that most of these potential magnates were women, and that with loans of a few thousand or even a few hundred dollars they would start rabbit farms or restaurants. Part of the idea was that lending would go to “solidarity groups” of people who would not get any more money if any member of the group defaulted.

In 2006, the Bengali economist Muhammad Yunus won the Nobel Peace Prize as the godfather of this miracle cure for poverty. This was before it was learned that his Grameen Bank in Bangladesh had lied about high repayment rates and that borrowers hated “solidarity groups” because there were always deadbeats who shafted everyone else. “Solidarity groups” destroyed community instead of fostering it.

In 2008, Prof. Stoll counted no fewer than 23 different banks and non-profits offering microcredits, within a few minutes’ walk of the center of Nebaj. They lent money at 18 to 30 percent a year, which was an irresistible rate for people used to paying 10 or even 15 percent a month. Some Nebajenses borrowed from four or five different agencies, and walked out with tens of thousands of dollars. Much of that, of course, was spent on immediate consumption, but a lot of businesses were started too: Prof. Stoll notes that every conceivable business has now been started 10 times over, and there are not enough customers for any of them. Naturally, some Nebajenses borrowed at 18 to 30 percent a year, lent the money at 10 percent a month to people who wanted to go north, and tried to live off the spread.

It is hard to collect on microborrowers who don’t feel like paying. Also, aid organizations want to help poor Third-Worlders, not foreclose on houses. Nebajenses soon learned that microcredits didn’t always have to be repaid, and borrowed all the more. Why did any Nebajenses keep on borrowing at 10 or 15 percent a month? Some seem to have been more comfortable dealing with a cousin or neighbor they could get to at night in an emergency, and others wanted to avoid any transaction the tax authorities might learn about.

Doña Catarina started a shoe business with

Doña Catarina started a shoe business with microcredit through a solidarity group.

This system tottered along until the crash of 2008. Newly-arrived illegals could not find work. Illegals already in the country lost their jobs. Loan payments stopped. Faced with massive and embarrassing defaults, some of the foreign-aid lenders tried to get money back by foreclosing. That was when they learned that the same property might have been pledged to four different lenders, that many land titles were hopelessly clouded, and that Nebajenses were so used to stiffing lenders that they raised mobs to stop foreclosures. Property prices had collapsed anyway, so the collateral was not worth much. By 2012, there were a lot of shattered dreams in Nebaj, a lot of out-of-work coyotes, and a lot of aid organizations that were much poorer but apparently no wiser.

Foreign aid

The people who run foreign aid programs in Guatemala are cut from the same far-lefty cloth as Prof. Stoll, so he tries to be nice to them, but they are clearly mooncalves. They show up believing all sorts of mush about “Mayan wisdom, harmony between genders, respect for nature, and consensual decision making.” Prof. Stoll adds that “because they are Native Americans, international donors would like to believe that they are guardians of the earth, keepers of ancient wisdom, and faithful defenders of their culture.” The uplift artists also have an openly political agenda that might surprise taxpayers back home: They hope that “with the help of aid projects, the Nebajenses would recover their vocation as a revolutionary vanguard . . . and help the Guatemalan left win elections.”

Aid bureaucrats share “the still widespread assumption that Native Americans are better persons than the rest of us, that they have a strong cultural disposition to place the interests of the group ahead of the interests of the individual, and that they are inherently communal and unselfish, at least until corrupted by Western civilization.” Indians have learned to tell the donors exactly the sort of Mayan nonsense that will make the money flow, but “inherently communal and unselfish” they are not. Aid projects set in motion what Prof. Stoll calls the “ruthless subterranean competition for the spoils of office,” and aid projects become self-enrichment schemes and patronage machines. If the uplift artists ever tumble to how ruthlessly materialistic and competitive their darlings are, they blame it on neo-liberal capitalism or right-wing oppressors. Prof. Stoll confesses that he, too, once had similar illusions.

Aid is like a drug, and Prof. Stoll finds that Nebajenses have become “accustomed to crafting their problems into aid appeals.” It’s all mysterious and magical, and they end up believing that “someone else–wealthy foreigners or maybe God–will rescue their children from being paupers.” Many can’t tell the difference between aid and a swindle.

Smooth talkers come to town, claiming to represent organizations with fancy names and intimate connections abroad. Instead of irrigation systems or new roofs, which is typical aid-industry fare, they promise something even more mouth-watering: a pile of money. However, there are various expenses that must be met before the money arrives, and the suckers are fleeced and strung along–sometimes with evenings of fervent prayer–for as long they stay gullible. Prof. Stoll writes of one hoax that promised brand-new houses; at least one man tore down his old house in anticipation of the new one that never came.

Although some swindlers are run out of town or lynched, some probably believe their own baloney. Prof. Stoll has found what he calls a cargo-cult conviction that big checks materialize simply as a result of Western bureaucratic rituals. The magic of aid seems to encourage belief in more ancient kinds of magic.

Zahorins are traditional witch doctors, many of whom are also swindlers. They promise riches to anyone who walks up to the rim of the sacred volcano Almolonga–so long as he makes regular payments to propitiate the spirits. Drinking in honor of the gods is a Mayan tradition, and drunks are easier to fleece. Some zahorins specialize in sleight-of-hand. They pretend to turn a small bill into two small bills, and then promise to do the same thing with a huge wad of cash. The sucker mortgages his farm at 10 percent per month and puts several thousand dollars into the hands of the zahorin, who disappears.

Prof. Stoll writes bemusedly about women who have been taken in by three or four different zahorin. He speculates that the wave of greed that swept through Nebaj when some people started getting remittances from America has made people easier marks for fraud.


“Because anthropologists defend the legitimacy of indigenous cultures,” Prof. Stoll writes delicately, “we have been slow to focus on the second-class status of Mayan women.” Second-class? Prof. Stoll gets more specific: “What women expect from marriage is drunkenness, brutality, and betrayal.”

Life is terrible for Guatemalan women and migration makes it worse. Prof. Stoll estimates that about half of the men who go north leave behind a family or a pregnant girlfriend. If a Guatemalan illegal finds a new woman in the United States, he stops answering his cell phone or sending money, even if he has a crop of children and a pile of debt. The wife has to decide whether to give up on him and try to scrape up another man. She may have to sell the house to pay off coyote debt, or may send a son or a brother north to start the cash flow back up–which requires yet more coyote debt. It is taken for granted that when a man dumps a wife he also dumps the children.

Few women make the trip north. Someone has to stay home with the children, and they are afraid of being raped by coyotes. A single woman who shows up among sex-starved Guatemalan men in America is likely to be raped or at least so heavily pressured for sex that she has to marry someone. She then gets pregnant, and can no longer work to pay off her debt.

There does not appear to be formal prostitution among the Indians, but many unmarried women have sex in the hope of money and favors. A common seduction trick is for a man to promise a girl he will take her to America for the dream life, and unload her after he gets what he wants.

Sordid behavior drifts north. Prof. Stoll writes of a girl who was married at age 11 or 12–which is not uncommon–to a man twice her age. He died, of causes unknown, and she took up with another man. At age 14, she got herself smuggled into the US, and had coyote sex along the way. She ended up in Florida, and gave birth, unassisted, in an immigrant apartment, bled a lot, and had to go to the emergency room. Her dead baby was found in the apartment, with a wad of tissue stuffed down its throat, and she spent 18 months in jail on murder charges. She got so much sympathetic media coverage that a judge threw out the case, and she was adopted by Americans, who sent her to high school.

Prof. Stoll thinks that having lots of children is how Nebaj women feel “empowered,” although most of them are bringing mouths into the world they can’t feed. They put children to work around the house and on the farm at about age 10, and most get very little education. Women still think that children will support them in old age, but Prof. Stoll sees nothing but poverty for everyone. He calls reckless procreation “a reproductive pyramid scheme,” but notes that none of the aid organizations pushes contraception.

“Child migrants”

Prof. Stoll wrote his book too soon to have anything to say about the latest rush for the border, but we can figure out what is probably happening. The local press no doubt reported all the high hopes for amnesty–Prof. Stoll notes that rumors of amnesty are always big news. Word got out that only minors from Mexico and Canada were being sent home without a hearing before an immigration judge that might not take place for years, and that in the meantime, illegals got free medical treatment and education. Coyotes drummed up flagging business by lying freely about permisos that are supposed to let minors stay in America.

All this has no doubt resulted in plenty of coyote debt. Most of these minors are young men in their late teens, and are probably under orders to get jobs as soon as they can. If they hit the jackpot and get amnesty, they will no doubt bring their families over as quickly as possible.

Where does all this lead? Prof. Stoll thinks that sealing the border is a violation of human rights, but he does confess to have lost a few illusions. He used to think that the biggest obstacle facing illegal Guatemalans was racist white folks. Now he realizes that it is their own people who milk them mercilessly and that there aren’t enough jobs for everyone who wants to come. He dreams wistfully of the day when the capitalist system comes crashing down, but is not so stupid as to think that would usher in utopia. He concludes in good, lefty fashion, by warning his readers that come the crash, Guatemalan subsistence farmers may survive better than urban Americans.

David Stoll

David Stoll

Prof. Stoll refuses to draw obvious conclusions, so I will: Indigenous Guatemalans are a miserable lot who have no business in our country; they come for one reason–to make money–and will lie and cheat to get here and stay here; the main thing foreign aid does is whet the appetite for more foreign aid; aid programs are run by dopes.

Prof. Stoll has written a very useful and illuminating book.

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Thomas Jackson lives in Virginia and has been writing for American Renaissance for more than 20 years.

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  • Puggg

    Aid bureaucrats share “the still widespread assumption that Native Americans are better persons than the rest of us, that they have a strong cultural disposition to place the interests of the group ahead of the interests of the individual, and that they are inherently communal and unselfish, at least until corrupted by Western civilization.”

    If we white Americans or white people in general say that we should put our racial group interests ahead of the interests of individuals within our group, David Stoll would be the first to throw a fit.

    • KevinPhillipsBong

      Every other life form on Earth understands in its very DNA what the white race denounces as the worst sort of hate…that you look after your own first.

      • Mark Hillyard

        Perhaps that’s why Paul wrote this…”But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.”

        We, as a race are also a house. One definition of a house is “A dynasty, a familial descendance; a family with its ancestors and descendants, especially a royal or noble one”

        Adam was the first of our house and it came down to Abraham, Isaac and Jacob/Israel. I’m not talking about Jews here because they are more a religion and or descended from the Idumians or more likely the Khazar. Sometimes they will appear to look like us so we are told to “look for their characteristics or fruits. We really should know who we are as that will aid us in fighting the enemy whether in economic warfare or actual.

        Our God designated us “But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession,” 1 Peter 2:9
        There are others who claim this title but they “say they are of Judah but they lie.” We are to be aware of them and their schemes.

    • John R

      “Aid bureaucrats share “the still widespread assumption that Native Americans are better persons than the rest of us,… ”
      Uhhh, you didn’t finish the statement. Liberals, as a rule, share the widespread assumption that ALL non-Whites are better people morally than Whites, period.

    • Veni Vidi Vici

      Good points but it interesting that social democracies only seem to work in majority white countries ( Denmark, Germany, Sweden, etc. ) A system where people pay high taxes for the common good.

  • Zimriel

    If the past history of the Maya country is any guide, then after Nebaj collapses (which it will) then *some* subsistence farmers will survive in Nebaj.

    Those will be subsistence farmers descended from the other Maya groups, who will come in and slaughter everybody left in Nebaj. The very name of “Nebaj” will probably be forgotten, as well, so the new (smaller) village will be called something else (in that other Maya dialect).

    UPDATE: Just looked it up – Nebaj speaks Ixil, which is a Mamean language. So, yes, they are themselves squatting in old Chorti (Classic-Maya) land.

  • italian guy

    After all that, the usual question still remains: Why should White Americans give a damn about it?

    • Zimriel

      Because they’re coming our way?

      • italian guy

        I simply meant it as: it’s not White Americans fault if those people live in crapholes.

        • European Americans have always cared about the other. It is our great strength and our great weakness.


  • JohnEngelman

    Those who flee dysfunctional societies bring their dysfunctions with them.

    Racial differences matter. Two generations after the Civil Rights Act of 1964 was signed that should be obvious to anyone with the courage to observe.

    The Mayans did create a civilization with a system of writing and mathematics. Mayan astronomers were able to predict eclipses of the sun and moon. Nevertheless, as a nation the Mayans did not evolve as far as the Europeans. Most are biologically unsuited to life in an advanced civilization with a high tech economy.

    • journey

      The “Mayans” who developed the advanced markings of a civilization came from a different gene pool. The white gene pool to be exact. The “whites” were restless people. They fanned out everywhere from the Middle East, cradle of civilization. The ziggurats of Mesopotamia and the Americas are similar, as evidence.

      As like in ancient Greece and India (Aryans) the superior genes eventually became suppressed by miscegenation. The native genes becoming dominant again and regression occurred back to its natural state.

      • JohnEngelman

        There is no evidence of any Caucasian contact with the New World until Vikings landed in North America shortly after 1000 AD. Viking contact was brief. There is no evidence of Vikings in Central America. Mayan DNA is entirely American Indian.

        • M.

          I think their civilization may come down to a halt, maybe it crumbled like many other civilizations. And what followed was more ruthless and basic societies that selected more and more for primitive traits, and less and less for intelligence, empathy, and such.

        • journey

          There is no evidence of present day Guatemalans/Mayans possessing IQ’s high enough to create and maintain an advanced civilization. What you posted are markings of an advanced civilization created from a different gene pool. The present day IQ’s of the Mayans (Hispanics) are next to the blacks.

          There is discovery of a painting of a “white” explorer with blond hair and light skin being killed by the natives of South America. This painting pre-dates the arrival of European whites.

          As further evidence of whites creating an advanced civilization in South and Central America, Cortés’ arrival coincided with an Aztec prophecy about a white-skinned god arriving from the east.

          And it takes an advanced knowledge of engineering, architecture, and knowledge of materials to build those ziggurats, none possessed by present day Mayans. It’s like saying the present day Arabs of Egypt were the ancient Egyptians who built those pyramids which we all know is completely nonsense.

          • JohnEngelman

            The average IQ of American Indians is slightly above that of American Negroes. American Negroes have some white ancestry, so their IQ averages are 15 points higher than that of African Negroes.

            Above the Rio Grande River the higher IQ averages of American Indians is due to living in a climate that freezes in the winter. South of the Rio Grande the higher IQ averages are due to the evolutionary effect of American Indian civilizations. These began about 800 BC.

          • M.

            So Indians were subjected to civilization for centuries less than Europeans. This should explain much of the average intellectual discrepancy between the two races.

          • journey

            So what does your posting has to do with the incapability of present day Mayans, who are not the creators of any advanced civilization, past or present?

            The environment has no influence over inherent racial IQ.

          • thomasdosborneii

            All this is pretty fascinating. I took a tour in Belize (where the people seemed to be mostly black), the destination of which was a Mayan pyramid (Xunantunich) near the border with Guatamala. The tour guide was black and I found her to be well-educated in history and culture and answered every one of my questions; I was quite impressed by her. She happened to mention that there are four different cultures living in Belize, and she placed them in a hierarchy that had Mayans at the rock bottom. While touring the pyramid complex, one of the tourists asked the tour guide if the history of that pyramid was taught in the schools in Belize. The tour guide said a simple “No” without an explanation, although her subtle attitude of distaste for that question made me think that of course they wouldn’t be teaching anything about that, a remnant of an all-but-dead culture whose present day remainders were the new country’s untouchables.

            I’m not so thrilled about the ancient Mayans, by the way. Reading several books about them prior to my trip, I realized that they were just as “blood-oriented” as the Aztecs, who were as a culture so despicable that Cortez and his crew actually vomited when first faced with them. Their capital city in Mexico actually reeked to high heaven from all the sacrificial blood that flowed. Whereas the Aztecs chose to sacrifice to their gods via ripping their victims’ hearts out, the Mayans preferred to simply cut off their heads. Ancient Mayan art is loaded with images of bodies with blood spurting out of their necks. The men were always phlebotomizing themselves from their penises (of course, why not–seems that primitive cultures were always into cutting the penis), and women were blood-letting themselves through holes they would make in their tongue. Maybe some of the Mayans charted the course of the stars, but still, on the whole they were as superstitious and primitive as any savage.

          • Sick of it

            Their blood sacrifice culture reminds one of the Phoenicians, who were said to have traveled to the New World. They traveled much further by sea than the Greeks ever did.

          • journey

            Cannibalism was common among early man. But human sacrifices
            also lessen cannibalism as these sacrifices were meant as guides to the spirit world. The Phoenicians were the last to give up sacrificing the first born.

          • thomasdosborneii

            Sick of it–I had known about the great sea traveling done by the Phoenicians, but I hadn’t known about their blood sacrifices.

          • journey

            What you are describing could be the deterioration of what was once a superior civilization. All advanced civilization eventually deteriorates due to miscegenation with inferior stock. For the ancient Egyptians, it was the steady ingress of blacks. For the ancient Greeks, it was the constant of importation of slaves. For the Aryans, it was miscegenation with the native stock which even the caste system could not prevent.

            Just visualize what the blacks did to Detroit, once known as the “Paris of the West”. Or prior Rhodesia.

          • thomasdosborneii

            Journey, that very much could be the deterioration of a once-superior civilization, which is also quite a warning to those who can see it happening in their own civilization.

        • journey

          The DNA pool of present day Hispanics are complex not just one gene pool. This is so because about 85,000 years ago, a number of different races migrated into South and Central America. While the red man predominately stayed in North America. All these different groups used the Bering Strait to cross from Asia about the same time. The Bering Isthmus eventually sank isolating these peoples in the Americas until eventually discovered by the white man.

          • Andy

            The earliest possible date for homo sapiens to be in the Americas is about 30,000 years ago.

          • journey

            Based on what evidence?

          • Andy

            The earliest claim for a human site in the Americas is 33,000, but it’s not widely accepted. Genetic evidence shows that the bulk of the Indian population split off from Siberians since 20,000 years ago.

            I was reading about a much older site (much too old to be homo sapiens) that some were claiming were homo erectus and others were claiming were just a bunch of randomly chipped rocks.

          • journey

            So what you are claiming is more speculations just like the out of Africa and humanity evolved from blacks theories.

          • Andy

            It’s based on the best evidence we have. Where is your evidence for humans in the Americas 85,000 years ago?

          • journey

            Human “evidence” is based on chance findings. And the dating is constantly evolved based on the latest techniques.

          • Andy

            I guess I have more faith in our science methods than you, but even if it’s as worthless as you suppose: what reason is there at all to think there were various races of homo sapiens in the Americas 85,000 years ago?

          • journey

            Science is only as good as the human created techniques and chance findings. Science is not “worthless” but limited by human evolved knowledge.

          • journey

            This website will not allow me to disclose the source that allows mankind to think outside the box so as to expand his knowledge exponentially in the search for truth. All I can say is that mankind did not evolve from the black gene pool and somehow that gene pool was magically transformed into the capabilities of say like CERN. The laws of the universe do not operate in such a manner.

            And inherent racial genetic differences cannot be transformed by environmental influences.

        • JP Rushton

          Did any other group except for east Asians and whites develop writing?

          Serious question here that I don’t know the answer to.

          I’m not talking about a picture on a cave wall, I’m talking about an actual language. Like, took their words and made them into symbols.

          The modern day Mayans are obviously incapable of anything even coming close to what the ancient Mayans did. So what is the story here?

          • What were the Sumerians? They weren’t east Asians. Were they Indo Europeans or Semitic or Arab? I don’t know the answer to that one, but I do know their writing was even before the Egyptians.

          • thomasdosborneii

            The Sumerians were a “between the Tigris and the Eurphrates” culture (essentially modern Iraq), an ancient fertile, river-flooding region referred to as “The Cradle of Civilization”. The Egyptians, too, were a culture that grew thanks to being in a fertile flooding river region, thanks to the Nile.

          • Sick of it

            Either Semitic (the real thing, not the part-Mongoloid/Negroid pseudo-Semite of today) or Nordic. I’ve seen good arguments from both perspectives.

          • journey

            The Sumerians were descendants of Adam and Eve. Only the descendants of Adam and Eve had the light hair (yellow, brown, and red), eyes, and skin. They were the carriers of the highest genetic materials possible on this planet which the present whites possess. The whites also possess genes from the blue race, which were also of high quality. Most of the descendants emigrated carrying
            civilization with them (ancient Egypt, India (Aryans – in two waves), ancient Greece), while the Sumerians refused to leave their home. They were eventually conquered and absorbed by the surrounding peoples. This is just a very brief description of the evolution of man on this planet. There is a great deal more of history to be told.

            There is much to be deciphered still from the clay tablets that the Sumerians left behind.

          • Andy

            They were Caucasoids who spoke a language isolate.

          • thomasdosborneii

            Good question, JP Rushton. I had grown up thinking that the Cherokee had done that, but your question made me verify if and I found out–no. What happened was that in the early 1800s a Cherokee man named Sequoyah created their “syllabary” from having been exposed to European books (that he called “talking leaves”). What he did was come up with a symbol system to represent the syllables of their language, symbols which stood on the shoulders of Latin. And he used Arabic numerals. So the Cherokee didn’t independently “develop writing”; only made up their own symbols after seeing the writing of the colonists.

          • Andy

            Some Indians did, including the Mayans.

          • sddasasd

            More than enough people corrected this post, but I still have to laugh at it- earnestly asking if any groups other than whites and east asians invented writing posted by a guy named in tribute to Rushton (with his picture no less), an aspie asiaphile with a cartoon understanding of human history.

            And why are the modern mayans so backwards? Might have something to do with how the fact they aren’t the same people they were centuries and centuries ago, along with how upwards of 90% of them died due to disease- might have affected their IQ’s. Racial differences can change far faster than your idol would have had you believe (IE, not forged in the ice ages and set in stone since then.)

        • HamletsGhost

          Except the legend of Quetzalcoatl.

    • LHathaway

      No, they are superior to whites in every way, just as leftists have maintained. In either case, no matter who is right, you or the traditional left and the establishment, I don’t want to live with them.

      • JohnEngelman

        I am intrigued by other cultures, but not enough so that I will put up with higher rates of crime and welfare expense from them.

        Although exotic cultures are fascinating to me, I realize that they are not equally able to adjust to modern society. I believe that their different ability levels are genetic, and therefore intractable.

      • Periapsis

        I want to get rid of all of them who are in our midst, one way or another. It comes down to silver or lead. We can spend the money to deport them by force back to Guatemala, or we kill them all here.

  • journey

    David Stoll even seeing evidence first hand is so hard wired that he re-interprets what is in front of his eyes to fit his own reality.

    He thinks, “sealing the border is a violation of human rights” so what about the rights of the people who built the civilization that is being invaded? And why is that these invaders cannot build a society that will take care of them? These questions, Stoll needs to honestly answer to himself.

  • kjh64

    ” She ended up in Florida, and gave birth, unassisted, in an immigrant apartment, bled a lot, and had to go to the emergency room. Her dead baby was found in the apartment, with a wad of tissue stuffed down its throat, and she spent 18 months in jail on murder charges. She got so much sympathetic media coverage that a judge threw out the case”

    Funny, because if a young White girl does that, she get NO sympathy and the charges certainly aren’t dropped. Oh, but she’s Brown and foreign, that’s different.

    • kikz2

      how much more LaRaza funds from the BOA settlement will propagate more of same media sympathy?……….i’m betting quite a lot.

  • John Ambrose

    The average Amerindian IQ is 89. As a result these people lack the critical mass of individuals required to create and sustain a First World society. Where ever Guatemalans go, Guatemala isn’t far behind. ’nuff said

    • journey

      Jason Richwine in his 2009 Harvard dissertation pointed out the dangers of letting in so many Hispanics into this country. But of course, we all know what happened to him. The Hispanic IQ is just above blacks.

    • Mahound

      89 sounds rather high for such a primitive and brutal race. Is that modern day race-mixed figures?

  • A fine review. Some credit can be given to David Stoll for reporting findings that are the opposite of what his leftist brothers and sisters believe and propagandize, even if in his book he has to find various lefty escape hatches to jump out of. On the other hand, science is what scientists are supposed to be doing! But you have to wonder if the good professor, while uncovering this grotesque dystopia, ever realized that his findings are really a condemnation of the entire field of anthropology, since it and the other social sciences, having been taken over the 1960s, are imbued with a religious-like zeal that assumes the nobility of Third World cultures, especially when compared to the evil White ‘racist’ West. And if Stoll did notice this, is he now imparting the fascinating news to his own students?

    (Fat chance.)

    • LHathaway

      That noble, can-never-do-wrong, only hurting because of evil whites, ideology only first brushed up against reality during a certain event September 11th 2001?

      • The Left is always determined to reinterpret reality, such as the “workplace violence” at Fort Hood, but we can at least hope for a change, and do our best to wake up others who are not too far gone into utopian idealism or hard Left determination to destroy the West, both types existing simultaneously within the Left. Plus there are younger people always coming along who might detect something wrong with these absurd beliefs.

  • LHathaway

    Guatemalans should hook up with Asians. Asians have an immigration scheme already in place. To follow it, a Guatemalan would send home earnings from American, and those earnings would be specifically earmarked to pay for the next Guatemalan who will come to America. Do Guatemalan’s already do this, or did they fool the professor himself and tell him endless tales of financial hardship and exploitation all along the coyote trail?

    “If they hit the jackpot and get amnesty, they will no doubt bring their families over as quickly as possible”

    What ‘family’ is meant here? Earlier in the review Mr. Taylor notes that when a Guatemalan man finds a new girlfriend, quite possibly in America, he dumps his old one and stops supporting her children.

    • IstvanIN

      Hispanic familia values are the same as black fambly values.

  • JP Rushton

    “and that Nebajenses were so used to stiffing lenders that they raised mobs to stop foreclosures.”

    Sounds familiar. Occupy did the same exact thing in the US. They would send a bunch of people to squat on the property and keep the cops from kicking them out.

  • John R

    “Prof. Stoll refuses to draw obvious conclusions, so I will: Indigenous Guatemalans are a miserable lot who have no business in our country; they come for one reason–to make money–and will lie and cheat to get here and stay here; the main thing foreign aid does is whet the appetite for more foreign aid; aid programs are run by dopes.”

    Yes, I read the entire article. But that brief statement at the end very well summarizes all of it, and, truth be told, is all anyone here really needs to read.

    • LHathaway

      True, but is there a concerted effort being made to get rid of most charity and replace it with government aid?

      • John R

        No. But there does seem to be a concerted effort to get rid of White people and replace us with a population that will be more amenable to a socialist and collectivist society.

        • LHathaway

          It’s just a necessary improvement.

      • thomasdosborneii

        No, the sign of that would be when the tax-write-offs for charitable giving are removed.

  • Brutus

    The Olmecs also made colossal stone sculptures of the heads of negro football players. Don’t ask me why.

    • Andy

      Negroid features are the most ancient in humans. It’s likely that either some of those who made it to the Americas had features similar to Negroids, or that the features offered enough benefit in the climate to be turned back on.

      The faces look like they could be Polynesian to me (especially accounting for how thickened all the Mesoamerican sculptures are), and there’s other evidence that Polynesians made it across the Pacific.

      • journey

        The first humans are actually the Eskimos. Man first appeared some 1 million years ago in central Asia.

  • I do think the border should be greatly strengthened and illegal immigrants be sent back with a quick turnaround. This would discourage more illegal immigrants. But…the criticism that those immigrants come only for money is a weak one. People have come to the United States to make a better future and yes, make money for two hundred years. It is no fault to want a better future for one’s family. It is no fault to want to grow rich or even middle class. It just needs to be done in a legal manner. And those manning the gates for the legal migrants, need to look at what those migrants can offer to our country. We do need the skilled and not the unskilled. The able and not the unabled. And we need more people from Europe and less from the third world.

    • Chasmania

      ” But…the criticism that those immigrants come only for money is a weak one. People have come to the United States to make a better future and yes, make money for two hundred years.”

      These Guatemalans aren’t coming here to become Americans, they’re coming here to skim off as much money as they can to send home, or too get amnesty so as to fleece a welfare system they should have no right to. They aren’t here to build a life, not the way my forefathers and so many citizens forefathers did.

      These illegals are a virus in the labor system. By their very nature they create a situation that lowers wages for other workers as well as themselves. The fruit of their ‘labors’ isn’t even being put back into the US economy, but is being piped out of the country.

    • Malgus

      “People have come to the United States to make a better future and yes, make money for two hundred years.”

      Oh… THIS old saw again… I thought it left skid marks in the bowl on its way out…

      Yeah, immigrants have been coming here for 200 years, blah, blah… but the vast majority of them were the White Euro Christian types. Neglected that part, dincha? Then there were the moratoriums on immigration to allow those who did show up the chance to acclimate and assimilate…

      “It is no fault to want a better future for one’s family. It is no fault to want to grow rich or even middle class.”

      If they’re such great workers and potential middle-class candidates, then why don’t they stay in their own countries and improve them instead of jumping the border and leeching off of us, then sending the proceeds back to whatever dump they crawled out of?

      • Chasmania

        These 3rd world types are incapable of creating a society and a nation like the USA. The best that they can hope for is to live under the umbrella of our civilization, but of course they will flood the system and overwhelm and destroy that which they are trying to get a part of.

  • Mary

    This is disgusting and appalling. Even more disgusting and appalling is that we put up with it. These people must feel we are the biggest fools imaginable. In my former line of work, I also had to talk with many of them. The dreadful behavior and ubiquitous dishonesty were truly an eye-opener.

  • Anglo

    The only thing that will save White countries now is ethnic cleansing and sealed borders. Unfortunately, that’s not going to happen.

  • B.A_2014

    Your own people are always the worst. I know a lot of people that went to England during the building boom of the Thatcher years. They talk even to this day about how they always tried to work for the English because they were fair men and always paid. The Irish boss was the complete opposite. An old saying I heard growing up (and in a song that currently escapes me), An english boss is a bastard, an Irishmans even worse. And white america only has to look at its own politicans, business leaders and the horde of treacherous leftists to know what im talking about. Great article, very informative.

  • KyraNelson

    I dig the embroidery. There IS money to be made there, but I guess you need a Jewess like me to see it!

  • Dale McNamee

    From the end of the article : ” Indigenous Guatemalans are a miserable lot who have no business in our country; they come for one reason–to make money–and will lie and cheat to get here and stay here; the main thing foreign aid does is whet the appetite for more foreign aid; aid programs are run by dopes.”

    Same goes for the illegal Mexican,El Salvadoran,Honduran. & Nicaraguan immigrants, “Dreamers”, whatever…

    And these cretins (or “dopes”, if you prefer) have the arrogance & gall to ridicule those of us who truly understand the situation and oppose it, unlike them !

  • CLB11267

    “Prof. Stoll thinks that sealing the border is a violation of human rights…”

    I suspect Professor Stoll only holds such a belief as to border sealing in the US, Israel and nations of Western Europe. Perhaps North Korea too, but I suspect that’s just because it’s become hip to oppose North Korea.

    Any thoughts on why this is so?

  • sulbernick

    I’d willingly move and let them have what they wanted – but only if it meant I never had to deal with third world peoples again.

  • Jon

    I say when they come across the border whether man, woman or child we sterilize them and all 3rd people like them because once here they breed out of control. People not able to build their own country should not be here and if they come here illegally then round them up and sterilize them. This process is not harmless not am i talking about abusing them or acting violently or criminally towards them. We have a right as a nation to control the 3rd world birth rate and if we don’t them say hello to 3rd world USA.

  • WR_the_realist

    ” Most of the men do not have bank accounts, and hate blacks, who sometimes rob them.”

    Wow, a universal human trait.

  • Luke Wilson

    Stoll is certainly not “far-left”– he is hated by leftist academics.