The Debt: What America Owes Blacks
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William Reed, EURWeb (Los Angeles), July 3, 2008
Segments of Americans are gearing up to oppose Senator Barack Obama because they fear he will be more considerate of the debt America owes to Blacks.
Anti-Obama whites, in particular, are concerned he’ll get into the White House and put Blacks on track for “a reparations gravy train.”
CNN debate moderator Anderson Cooper put Black Reparations on track to be a part of the presidential dialogue during the South Carolina Primaries.
The African-American vote in South Carolina was very important, and that made the reparations question relevant in the Democratic Debate. At that event former Senator John Edwards said ” I’m not for reparations . . . but I think there are other things we can do to create some equality that doesn’t exist in this country today” he said, going on to talk about inequities African Americans experienced paying mortgages in Charleston, S.C., where the debate was held.
When Cooper asked Sen. Barack Obama about reparations he sidestepped a yes or no answer instead preferring to redefine reparations to make it part of a broader conversation about economic justice. “I think the reparations we need right here in South Carolina is investment, for example, in schools.” Obama said.
To corner Obama and nail all the candidates down, Cooper asked for a show of hands and questioned: “Is anyone on the stage for reparations for slavery for African-Americans?” The only “yes” came from Congressman Dennis Kucinich who said: “The Bible says we shall be and must be repairers of the breach. And a breach has occurred. We have to acknowledge that. It’s a breach that has resulted in inequality in opportunities for education, for health care, for housing, for employment.”
From then on, reparations have been an issue in the campaign. America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure, including the U.S. Capitol. While Obama dodges the issue, his “old church, Trinity United Church of Christ, lists “The Debt: What America Owes To Blacks, by Randall Robinson (Penguin Putman Inc., 2000) as recommended reading”. In The Debt, Robinson argues that America still owes an enormous debt to Africans and African Americans for the incalculable damage that backs have suffered and continue to suffer as a result of two hundred and fifty years of slavery and segregation.
Barack’s birthright brothers many whites; but Wautella Graham of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America (N’COBRA) breaks the question of slavery into four categories of involvement: victims, collaborators, perpetrators and beneficiaries and makes the point that, “Even immigrants and people whose ancestral line contains no slaveholders should pay reparations, since every American benefits from slavery.”
Slavery victimizes free blacks to this day. All American people are responsible for the debt America owes.”
(Posted on July 8, 2008)
Comments
Blacks don’t need or deserve reparations. If anything whites deserve a refund. This whole world wide mess was started by Africans who used their own people as a form of currency. The only thing these people have mass produced is more Africans. Now the world is infested with people who have no use what so ever!
The big problem blacks are confronted with today is that blacks are judged on the content of their character, their abilities and their intelligence, with all three revealing that they cannot compete in a first world society, because of their low intelligence, their unsavory characters, generally unpleasant nature, and their propensity for crime and violence
Every poor person that comes to America of any race does better than blacks. To say that blacks fail because of some kind of unspoken, unclear idea that there are built-in systemic biases against them is complete, utter nonsense. Blacks are considered incapable, by every race not just whites, because they ARE incapable, and they prove it unequivocally every day of the year.
We must stop catering to a people who will not take care of themselves and have to be treated like imbecilic children or they will rage and riot. There’s nothing that can be done for these poor fools. The kindest thing would be to help them reconstruct villages on their mother continent, so they can have a homeland where they can function while whining and crying about things that are their own fault.
The black race in a nutshell: Too lazy/stupid to supply their own needs, yet quick to demand others take care of them, and quick to get violent at any pretext.
God help us
Posted by trent at 6:04 PM on July 8
The ONLY ones to benefit from slavery are American blacks; otherwise, they’d be living in a diseased sewer in Africa.
They owe the ancestors of slave traders a huge debt of gratitude.
John from Arkansas
Posted by at 6:05 PM on July 8
I want off of this gravy train headed to Doom. I, like many whites I know, are beginning to make preparations to leave this hellhole in the future. This place is permanently lost. It is not worth saving and neither are the whites that brought this whole thing on. As for my fellow white nationalists, be prepared to relocate. The writing has been on the wall for years and the intensity has now excelerated.
While they seek reparations, we should be seeking relocations.
Posted by GetBackJack at 6:09 PM on July 8
How ‘bout the price of two mules (or a mare and a jack-donkey, since mules don’t make more mules) per family and 40 acres of farmland, provided they renounce their citizenship and accept immediate and permanent repatriation to the sub-Saharan African nation of their choice. They would receive the money in Federal Reserve Notes after arrival in Africa when they surrender their US passports and renounce their citizenship at the local US embassy. No, they can’t go to Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Latin America, Asia or Europe, the Caribbean or even Arab north Africa if they take this deal. Black Africa only.
That is exactly what we owe them.
Posted by Michael C. Scott at 6:11 PM on July 8
I will be happy to pay reparations to all the slaves I now own and encourage other whites to pay their slaves. Pretty silly,huh? This whole thing sounds like a page out of the playbook of Al and Jesse. Perhaps reparations can be exacted from the blacks in Africa who sold their people to the slave traders. What was that, Al? You weren’t aware of that?
Posted by June at 6:14 PM on July 8
Fine. Lets start looking at welfare handouts and healthcare handouts and figure out what blacks and hispanics owe America.
Posted by Patrick at 6:15 PM on July 8
In order for it to be fair, any reparations payment — which is defined as a debt that whites owe blacks — must be offset by the debt that blacks owe whites. We should only have to pay our net debt. Blacks’ debt includes the accumulation of damage caused by their crimes that are purposefully targeted at whites. Thus, reparations should be offset by all pecuniary and financial damage resulting from the millions of property crimes that blacks have perpetrated against whites throughout this country’s history, as well as compensation for the physical, emotional and psychological harms of blacks’ violent crimes against our persons.
Also, since every social program disproportionately expoloited by blacks is disproportionatley funded by white taxpayers, and justified as a “corection” to supposed prior injustices, these social benefits should be treated as reparations prepayments. Any future reparations amount should be reduced by these prepayments — namely, the welfare, housing, food-stamps and medicare payments that white taxpayers have funded. Let’s not forget to include the marginal economic advantages that blacks now enjoy as a result of affirmative action — another mechanism that was introduced to supposedly level the playing field.
Add it all up and without doubt, the total offset would be greater than the largest estimate of reparations by an order of magnitude. The “net debt” goes in the other direction: it is blacks who owe whites a debt for all that we have suffered at their hands and / or given them in terms of social entitlements.
Posted by Kevin at 6:20 PM on July 8
Will this absurd notion never be laughed out of existence?
Let’s see, reparations are supposed to be offered by one who has wronged or damaged another.
Here we have a demand that people who never wronged anybody must give “reparations” to those who have suffered no damage or wrong.
A far more defensible solution would be repatriation, not reparation. If American blacks feel that they would have been happier and better off had their ancestors not been brought here, by all means we could offer them immediate repatriation to the Dark Continent to rejoin the tribe of their choice.
The idea of reparations for wrongs committed up to three hundred years ago is so ludicrous and intellectually defective that anybody holding it should be institutionalized.
A far more reasonable proposal would be reparations from present blacks to present whites for the costs they inflict on society.
Posted by john at 6:20 PM on July 8
Just more of the same old special-pleading-on-behalf-of-blacks malarkey. Their ancestors being sold into slavery (usually by their fellow blacks) in Africa was the luckiest thing that ever happened to today’s so-called African-Americans. If their ancestors had not been, then instead of living in the most advanced country in the history of the world, where they have the highest incomes of any blacks in the world, today’s American blacks would be living in — AFRICA! Would they like that? You know the answer to that question!
And where does the writer get this nonsense about blacks building the superstructure of this country? They may have done the stoop labor in certain places, like the South, that’s being done today by Mexicans. But to suggest that they “built” this country is utterly laughable. Someone either hasn’t read his American history, or is distorting it for the sake of a huge payday for all his “homies.”
Posted by Wayne Engle at 6:38 PM on July 8
What nonsense. Blacks have received affirmative action, welfare and numerious social services for over fifty years. They are owed nothing. Reparations are just rape the nation since no one is alive who was born into slavery. Hundreds of thouands of white males “gave the full measure of devotion” during the Civil War to end slavery. A vote for BHO is a vote for reparations.
Posted by Burr Hamilton at 6:42 PM on July 8
“America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure, including the U.S. Capitol.”
Simply delusional. All of the country’s infrastructure would be intact or even in better condition if the miniscule portion built by black labor were to suddenly disappear.
These people better be careful because when all the costs America has incurred because of very presence of blacks THEY could very well be the ones receiving a BILL instead of a CHECK. Anybody who thinks blacks have been a net asset versus a net drain is economically illiterate.
Posted by Civilized Neighbor at 6:47 PM on July 8
“The Debt: What America Owes Blacks”
A one-way plane ticket to an African country of their choice, contingent upon formally renouncing U.S. citizenship, surrendering any American passport or official ID, and signing a sworn statement that they will never again enter the borders of the U.S. or its territories.
No reparations without repatriation.
Posted by at 6:51 PM on July 8
“Segments of Americans are gearing up to oppose Senator Barack Obama because they fear he will be more considerate of the debt America owes to Blacks.”
There you have it. No room for debate. America OWES a debt to blacks. Case closed….How do these leftists expect to be taken as legitimate journalists when they make statements like this?
Do we owe blacks a debt? Anyone reading this ever own a slave? Ever sell a slave? Ever transport a slave across the pond? Something tells me no one alive was ever a slave or a slave owner. Thusly no reperations are owed. Case closed.
Posted by at 6:56 PM on July 8
“Segments of Americans are gearing up to oppose Senator Barack Obama because they fear he will be more considerate of the debt America owes to Blacks.”
There you have it. No room for debate. America OWES a debt to blacks. Case closed….How do these leftists expect to be taken as legitimate journalists when they make statements like this?
Do we owe blacks a debt? Anyone reading this ever own a slave? Ever sell a slave? Ever transport a slave across the pond? Something tells me no one alive was ever a slave or a slave owner. Thusly no reperations are owed. Case closed.
Posted by Mike Harrigan at 6:56 PM on July 8
How much do blacks owe whites for building the best society they have ever lived in?
How much do blacks owe whites for their 37,000 rapes a year of our white women? How about their murders? Their robberies?
How many trillions of dollars do they owe us for all our welfare and poverty programs?
When will they repay the costs of affirmative action?
Will black drug dealers recompense the families who have lost their loved ones to heroine, cocaine, speed, etc?
Will blacks repay all our charity to their african brothers? How about the fact that our inventions and discoveries are feeding hundreds of millions of blacks who otherwise would never have survived? What about the fact that we’re hard at work curing African diseases that affect tens of millions of people all for charity’s sake? How much money is that worth?
Posted by at 7:05 PM on July 8
“we shall be and must be repairers of the breach. And a breach has occurred. We have to acknowledge that. It’s a breach that has resulted in inequality in opportunities for education, for health care, for housing, for employment.”
Repair the breach! lol
I think there’s even a medical procedure for that now…
“Even immigrants and people whose ancestral line contains no slaveholders should pay reparations, since every American benefits from slavery.”
If he thinks it’s so good, maybe he should be in favor of bringing it back, but, that would make him a ‘collaborator’. I guess he did some good thinking there, he’s already ahead of himself.
Posted by at 7:07 PM on July 8
If it’s only $1.9 trillion, then that’s a relative bargain — I have heard estimates exceeding $10 trillion. You know how it is — a trillion here, a trillion there, pretty soon it starts adding up to real money.
As far as it becoming a campaign issue — let it. Let’s hope they push it. We need non-southern whites to get racially ticked off. Even though it wouldn’t result in a good President, it might help our cause in the long run. We win when the other side gets arrogant.
Posted by Question Diversity at 7:10 PM on July 8
What America Owes Blacks?
NOTHING!!!
I would understand it if we paid damages to the descendents of slaves, which I would wholeheartedly support if they were required to relinquish the U.S. citizenship and leave the country as a precondition to collecting the equivalent of 40 acres and a mule, but extending this option on all blacks (and bi-racials, and multi-racials) is a classic example of racism, this time directed against non-blacks.
Take for instance Obama. His black father was born in Africa (arguably, in an affluent family there). He and his ancestors never suffered from slavery in the U.S. On the contrary, he seemed to benefit handsomely from the “affirmative action” attitudes prevailing at American Ivy League universities. And now his son gets enormouis favors in this country just because his skin color resembles the skin color of the former slaves in the U.S.
How many blacks that immigrated to America lately have ancestors that either benefited from slave trade in Africa or were actually slave-owners there? According to some convincing analyses, quite a few of them. And yet, they will be equally eligible for “reparations” because they are black. It’s as outrageous as it is absurd.
The entire idea of race-based reparations as a compensation for what happened to some blacks some two centuries ago or so, reminds me of this primitive attempt to solve the problem of theft.
All those who had their property stolen (or look similar to those who had their property stolen) are now allowed to still someone else’s property, preferably from those who look similar to thieves. And this is supposed to stop stealing once for all.
Posted by A Reader at 7:11 PM on July 8
If this is going to be an issue at any time, we should make it clear that any money given to blacks could be used to return to mother Africa. That 99.99999% of blacks would take the money and stay would answer the question about how committed blacks were to setting things right.
As ‘racist’ as they claim we are, the last things blacks want is to leave the gravy train behind.
Posted by sbuffalonative at 7:25 PM on July 8
“America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure”
Ok, let’s give it to them and then subtract all the money we’ve spent on welfare, subsidized housing, food stamps, back child support, attempting to educate them, the law enforcement resources we’ve had to dedicate to them, the cost of keeping them in prison, the rise in insurance rates, the devaluation of real estate they’ve caused, unpaid cell phone bills, etc. etc out of the check and see how much is left.
Posted by Fall Of The Tyrants at 7:27 PM on July 8
I would be in favor of reparations to africans only if they agreed to be repatriated to africa and never return as part of the deal.
Posted by Cliff Yablonski at 7:43 PM on July 8
Those the Gods wish to destroy, they make them mad first. Looking at Africa now, the African Americans should pay to be thankful that their descendants are lucky enough to live in the greatest country in the World. “Victim-hood, the businesses of the Al Sharptons et al, is the modern curse on America and other countries where the vblack people are patronised as being second class mentally although no one is actually allowed to say so.
The opportunities with educational affirmative action have been there for over 40 years to give the black Americans the chance to progress. For those who cannot take advantage of these opportunities, they deserve what they have, nothing more the same as any other citizen. No handouts are going to help them anymore, and as a saying asserts, a man only really appreciates what he has earned, not what he is given as a handout. The latter makes him lazy.
Posted by B J Deller at 7:43 PM on July 8
Yeah, Randall Robinson his book was a big waste of money…the same ole hogwash repeated over and over again….I am now convinced that these people are part of the communist conspiracy that wants to bankrupt America and turn it into a gulag…(Sic)
America doesn’t owe Africans jack….and African-Americans need to stop the non-sense because it is getting tired.
Posted by Lisette at 7:46 PM on July 8
What do blacks owe American tax payers?The cost of black crime to America?The cost of insurance because of black frivolous law suits.The high cost at the stores because of black shop lifting.The moving of stores from your neighborhood because of black crime.The moving of factories because of black crime.The abuse of the emergency room because blacks use it for common colds so everyone has to suffer.The misuse of ambulances once again for rides to the emergency room for common colds.We all have to pay because blacks can’t follow the rules of society.More taxes for public schools because of security because of violent black behavior.We have to give blacks breakfast,lunch,after school programs and mid night basketball.The numerous programs to benefit blacks that we pay for.The welfare mother baby factory that we have to pay from cradle to grave and I am sure there are a million other ways we have to pay for blacks and now you are telling me I owe more.ENOUGH IS ENOUGH I DON’T OWE THEM ANYTHING THEY OWE ME I HAVE BEEN SUPPORTING THEM THEIR WHOLE LIVES!
Posted by THE MAN at 7:47 PM on July 8
White jobseekers like me are ALREADY paying blacks and other minorities “reparations” in the form of being denied employment because we are white.
Posted by at 8:10 PM on July 8
So who is going to pay for these reparations?
Posted by at 8:10 PM on July 8
“From then on, reparations have been an issue in the campaign. America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure, including the U.S. Capitol.”
Well, here we go again, the absurd claims of how blacks “built” this country and continue to “enrich” it to this day. I am not going to bore people with a longwinded listing of why this is abject nonsense, I am simply going to state the obvious: blacks have cost this country far more in terms of economic and sociopolitical stability then they “contributed” to it. Moreover, considering all that they are guilty of from black on white crime to the wholesale destruction of entire cities, blacks in the USA should be down on their knees daily thanking God almighty that we haven’t shipped them all back to “Mother Africa,” where they would surely be butchered en masse by their “brothers and sisters.”
Of course in their arrogant ignorance, they just keep pushing the envelope; worse still, they are now emboldened by the mortifying stupidity of millions of whites validating their mendacious sense of entitlement by possibly electing a black “messiah” our president. Frankly, I think Comrade Obama is not a “savior” of any sort (if anything, he is probably the antichrist, or its harbinger,) and is likely going to push this country to the very brink of destruction if elected. With his sickening “stealth” Mau Mau Marxism and egotistical immaturity, he will at best plunge this country into an abject malaise of racial tensions, and at worst a possible path to racial civil war.
I find this highly ironic from a historical perspective, since once again the promise of “utopia” would lead to “heightened expectations” dissolving into an orgy of death and wreckage.
In the end, should such a scenario truly unfold, the blacks of surviving in this country will be lucky to only be “subjected” to a stringently enforced American Apartheid. If they are not so lucky, no passing “Go” when they get the “boat tickets” back to “Mother Africa.”
Oh, how “unfortunate” that would be!
*KRONOS*
Posted by John PM at 8:17 PM on July 8
I’m for reparations as somewhere far back in my lineage there is some Egyptian blood. Since the blacks of Africa enslaved “my people” years ago, I’m waiting beside my mailbox for the “people of color” to make it right and send me money. Note: if it would be easier for them, I will accept food stamps.
Posted by eurotexan at 8:24 PM on July 8
America owes blacks repatriation to africa. That is what was promised them for generations now and that is what we should give them….whether they want it or not.
Posted by at 8:41 PM on July 8
I say we should give them their 40 acres and a mule that we owe ‘em. But those 40 acres and a mule should be over in Africa!
Posted by at 8:57 PM on July 8
“Segments of Americans are gearing up to oppose Senator Barack Obama because they fear he will be more considerate of the debt America owes to Blacks.”
America owes blacks nothing, of course. To say otherwise just reveals a person’s utter stupidity.
After decades of black on white crime it is whites that need reparations for having their country severely weakened by these black primitives and for having endured their crime and violence, but mostly for having to take care of them because they’re incapable of caring for themselves.
Yes, if there are reparations to be had, whites should definitely be first in line.
Posted by ice at 9:16 PM on July 8
I know what we owe the blacks….one free one way ticket to africa…..and make sure they all use it….okie dokie?
Posted by lydia at 9:24 PM on July 8
I wouldn’t be against reparations if I knew it would be the end to the whining but once the cash was paid out (admission of guilt), the demands would be endless.
Here’s a proposal.
Let’s find out what the price of making amends is. Once we know that, we say, ‘you can take this money or we can double your money if you return to your ancestral homeland and set things right. While you can’t bring back your ancestors, you can honor them by going home and being true Africans again’.
(I know… there’d be few takers)
Posted by sbuffalonative at 9:51 PM on July 8
This might be the way to get these people off our backs for good. What does it cost the government for section 8 housing, vouchers, college tuition, scholarships, welfare, food stamps, etc. in the lifetime of one black? Since it would be paid out anyhow, why not give them the option of taking, say $50,000 in one lump sum in exchange for forfeiting any and all entitlement programs from this day forward? It would save the government a whole lot of money in the future and most blacks would probably take it. They would move out of the projects into an apartment and knowing their spending habits, buy a cadillac and some crack. Within a year the money would be gone, they’d be evicted and have to sell their car. They can either live on the streets or work in some job shining shoes, changing sheets or picking lettuce. There would be a glut of labor and the Mexicans won’t find work and they’ll leave.
Posted by at 9:59 PM on July 8
Blacks have been on the “reparations gravy train” for decades now. And they did not build the infrastructure of this country. The few that bothered to work after slavery were paid just like everyone else.
Posted by Flamethrower at 10:07 PM on July 8
As Pat Buchanan said in his recent article, “A Brief for Whitey”, America has paid over 40 trillion dollars on “Great Society” welfare programs over the past 40 years which were devised for the primary benefit of 40 million American blacks. How much have we paid in reparations thus far per head?-Do the math! All this, despite the fact that American blacks were and are the most prosperous blacks on the planet! Every “African-american” should fall on his knees and thank the good Lord that he was born in the U. S., and that at least one of his ancestors was loaded onto a slave ship bound for North America. How do those fortunate ones that were left behind in Africa feel about those “unfortunates” that went to America?-just ask them!-they’re envious as hell!
Posted by Boethius at 10:10 PM on July 8
Please, please, oh please…..make reparations for long-dead slavery an election issue.
A much stronger legal argument could be made for reparations to the former slave owners, who had their property forcibly removed by the military. Of course, that claim is rightfully passed down from one generation to the next…..with the usual interest…..to the present generation.
When the Federal Government makes the decision to tax everyone in this country for the purpose to paying reparations to the descendents of slaves, this country will revolt. If they do not, then they deserve what they get. Sink or swim, only you can decide your own survival.
Posted by Memphomaniac at 10:10 PM on July 8
OK, if whites admit that they owe blacks for slavery will blacks admit that they owe whites for welfare and the cost of crime? If so, blacks will owe whites about 50 trillion or more.
Posted by Josh at 10:16 PM on July 8
The time for this reparation madness to stop is long overdue. Simply put, the black race needs to learn if you do not work you do not eat. Oppression, discrimation, and unfairness are everywhere. It is part of being human of how to dealt with it instead of constantly asking for other people’s money. Competing on a merit basis should be color blind. It is ludicrous to give someone something because he is of a certain race to atone for past transgressions. This kind of action is regressive. It just reinforces in this case the black race to demand even more material benefits without working for it. This country has swung too far in catering to inferiority to the point of destroying its superior educational system and safe neighborhoods.
Posted by at 10:18 PM on July 8
I wish we could sit there with blacks and they can tell us exactly how much we owe. And then we say ok, now no more affirmative action, government discrimination against white males and we’ll associate with whoever we please. Whatever they demand can’t be any more than them living as parasites for the rest of this country’s existence.
Posted by Dmytro Kornilov at 10:19 PM on July 8
My grandparents come to this country from Czarist Russia, where they suffered from horrors and terrors that would make your hair stand on end. When they came to America there was no welfare, unemployment insurance, social security, medicare, public housing, Section 8 — nothing, nada, bubkes.
They never robbed, raped, murdered, assaulted, stole, or rioted. They came here and toughed it out. They got up every day, obeyed the law, worked, came home, raised their families and built a better life without anyone’s help.
They never stole so much as a twig from the Indians, let alone owned any slaves. I owe blacks nothing. Which is what they should get.
Posted by White, Jewish, and Proud at 10:23 PM on July 8
First, there is not a single former slave alive today. If there were they would certainly be due just compensation for their labor, but the ancestors of atrocities do not deserve compensation in any way. As a precedent for this point of view, from the last century, let us look at how the compensation of slave labor during the holocaust of World War II has been handled. The thousands of people that survived that inequity are being compensated by both the government of Germany and by the companies that gained from their forced labor, and rightfully so. But their children have no inherited right to collect for the uncompensated labor of their parents. Certainly the grandchildren and great grandchildren of American slaves never experienced the appalling life of slavery, and therefore, like the children of Jews and others enslaved in Germany 50 years ago, they have no claim for themselves.
Posted by at 10:39 PM on July 8
We owe them all a one-way voyage back to mother Africa, on the condition that they surrender their American citizenship permanently on arrival. It needn’t even be Africa; we could send them all first-class to anywhere on the planet they want to go, & no matter how much it cost, we would come out ahead — provided they never returned.
I won’t live to see that, but one can dream.
Posted by WeNeverRunOut at 10:42 PM on July 8
keep voting democrat….
Posted by danjack at 11:01 PM on July 8
What about the debt that African-American owe the US?
Posted by Jim Sachsen at 11:14 PM on July 8
Cut them a check for $20,000 each and a free one way trip to Africa. A family of 5 would get 100k and a trip back to their Motherland. That would go a long way in a 3rd world country and think of the monetary savings this country would have in the long run…..food stamps, free housing, prisons, police, etc, etc. The non-monetary savings would be even bigger.
Posted by SlaveToLogic at 11:21 PM on July 8
The idea is so ridiculuous that whenever it is mentioned it should be greeted with a Hyena laugh and a horribly sarcastic comment. If they want my money they can consider it paid in full by my ancestors at Gettysbburg and Shiloh.
Posted by Pat at 11:23 PM on July 8
By all means, calculate the debt. Come up with a total. Don’t be shy, don’t be stingy. Include everything from unpaid labor to badly paid labor to injured pride. Talk about lost opportunity. Factor in the struggles of those who want to be stock brokers but aren’t, for no other reason than somebody white got the education and served a long apprenticeship. Come up with a grand total. Caluculate compound interest. Present the bill.
Then I’ll subtract the expenses.
First, there is the cost of passage to the United States. Then the value of room and board while you were doing unpaid labor, also the cost of clothing and medical care. The voyage over wasn’t pleasant, granted, and the work was difficult, and the injured pride hard to bear. But you weren’t running around Africa surviving snake bites, or dying when your appendix burst or your wisdom teeth impacted.
Then I’ll calculate the cost of every welfare payment, every dollar spent on your public education as well as all the scholarships lavished upon black students by white liberals, all the public housing, the food stamps, the free medical care, all the money paid to people who hold jobs and government contracts becuase they are black, but aren’t qualified to do what they pretend to do. Include the cost of all the little things like cable TV and inexpensive cars, all the stuff you have because the poorest of our American poor are richer by far than the most affluent people in Dafur or Zimbobwa or Somalia. Think of all the things you have every right to expect, gratis, because you are black but aren’t in Africa eating mice.
Think of the government you help elect, which feeds and provides for you, and of the leaders you elect to be part of that government, most of whom do little or nothing but whine and carp and howl about all the stuff black folk demand as their right because they are Americans. (Sorry. African. African-Americans.)
We’ll determine the cost of all of it, subtract it from even the most exorbitant reparations claim, and you’ll owe us money.
Or, oppressed as you are, and unrespected, you might want to think about emmigration. They say Congo is nice this time of year, also Lyberia. Perhaps Nigeria would be better. Opt for South Africa and get in on the ground floor of an exciting experiment in African Marxism. But be informed: the grocery stores don’t have any food on their shelves, and if they did they wouldn’t accept food stamps.
After relocation, demand to be called African-American-Africans. Squawk about how you have to be treated easily because you are so wronged and so special. See how the powers that be in Africa respond to your incessant demands.
Posted by Ric Blair at 11:38 PM on July 8
We owe them zero & I really wish the “Back to Africa” movement would be revised once again. They belong in a tribal environment which is what black culture is based upon. Their culture can never be integrated in a culture that requires cooperation and respect amongst its members while working for a common good. Their culture has a basis of violence, murder and self-destruction. Prime example of this would be the K.C. City Council & the K.C. Schoolboard which are minority dominated and produce nothing but gross incompetence & fertilizer.
Posted by at 11:52 PM on July 8
we have benefitted tremendously in our area by having a large african american population.
Posted by joe cleveland at 12:31 AM on July 9
There are many cogent and compelling arguments against “reparations” and none for them. This fact will mean nothing to most blacks, and will not matter to the few who can follow the logic. Many blacks want to be rewarded indefinitely merely for existing. A resounding “NO” of the sort you’d direct to a white child of four or five is the best response to blacks, accompanied by credible threats to remove from office any white cretin, like Kucinich, who promote this or any form of public thievery.
Posted by Cassiodorus at 12:39 AM on July 9
300,000 Union soldiers died to free the slaves. That is payment enough.
My family came to america 40 years after the slaves have been freed and settled in the Land of Lincoln. You are not getting a penny from me. If you are going to shakedown people get it from decendants of former slave owners, like B. Hussien Obama.
Posted by flyingtiger at 12:39 AM on July 9
Oh, what the heck! If we’ve learned anything from the Bush years, we’ve learned that the government can print as much money as it needs and throw it away in any direction it wants, with impunity and without new taxes. So, why not reparations for the “black community” and not too much weighty discussion of whether they’re actually entitled or not?
For most of them, the reparation money would go straight to a new Cadillac Escalade and a binge of drugging. Then they’d be poor, ignorant, and disenfranchised all over again, virtually overnight…
But they wouldn’t be able to blame it on whitey anymore! Just for that reason, reparation payments would make at least as much sense as tax rebates in the middle of the War on Terror did.
Posted by quagmyer at 1:04 AM on July 9
Jared Taylor makes me question many of my most deeply held views. A serious reparations movement, however, would likely cause many liberals to go beyond simple questions.
Posted by Guilty Liberal at 1:20 AM on July 9
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Reparations without Repatriation is Extortion.
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Posted by MIKE MILLER at 1:34 AM on July 9
Today’s US blacks should kiss the feet of whites they live in the USA instead of West Africa. To begin to get an idea of the vast monetary amount each black owes American whites begin with the following: Add their average incomes plus the value of all the “programs” the gov’t offers them, and subtract the average per capita income of Ghana ,for example. I’d estimate each black owes white America $45,000 per year as a starting figure. We then, would have to add compensation for all the crime inflicted on whites by blacks, compensation for whites’ income lost due to anti-white discrimination in employment in order to place blacks in jobs they are unqualified for ,etc.etc.
Posted by Joe Hamilton at 1:58 AM on July 9
Have the GAO work out the economic contribution made by blacks, deduct damages and pay-outs already made, then let net debtor group pay the balance. Ah, but their is a flaw in my plan. How would we access the cost of ensuing riots?
Posted by PBL at 2:26 AM on July 9
Blacks owe whites trillions. They have a higher standard of living in American than in any part of black Africa, and that is because of the white people here. I want reparations for ruined schools, hundreds of billions wasted on welfare, ruined neighborhoods, and the cost of maintaining our prison system, which would be a lot smaller if we had only whites and Asians in this country.
Pay up.
Posted by WR the elder at 2:33 AM on July 9
I said before, make no mistake about it! there WILL BE huge reparation payments made to every single black in this country. Some (Jesse, Al and their ilk) will get HUGE amounts and the rest of the blacks will get “trickle down” reparations and the usual rioting will start again about the unfair distribution by whitey, which will begin payments all over again using another method of distribution by (Jesse, Al and their Ilk)As in Detroit and N.O. these blacks never learn or don’t care that it is their own kind that is screwing them over and over again.
Posted by Skip at 3:43 AM on July 9
Perhaps when they give Channon Christian and Christopher Newsome their lives back, they should be allowed to leave.
Posted by Michael C.Scott at 4:10 AM on July 9
I swear, articles like this make me think that if I had enough money, I’d move out of this country in a heartbeat.
Out of curiosity, are there ANY white-friendly countries around? I think some people here said Argentina, Switzerland and Italy were. At least that’s what I think I heard.
Just wondering.
Posted by at 4:28 AM on July 9
They would only have the nerve to try this in the USA. 95% of slavery in the Americas took place Latin American countries. But do you think they would try this over there? They know full-well it would be an excerise in futility. But whites in America have given them everything else they have demanded so far, so why not repariations as well? The more they get, the more they demand. And what a load that they are responsible for Americas infrastructure! Most US landmarks are white built——Empire State Building, Brooklyn Bridge, Hoover dam, Golden Gate Bridge, So how about a little reparation for Whitey? Where does it end with them?
Pssst Panama Canal was built by Panamanian Black slaves. You ever hear of Blacks there demanding reparations for that? No, and you never will. Only Whites are fool enough to fall for these guilt trips.
Posted by at 5:09 AM on July 9
There is a rich irony that they are pinning their hopes for reparations on Brutha Barrick. I would just love to hear him explain how his ancestors suffered through slavery, considering his Father is African born, and his Mother is a white woman, whose ancestors owned slaves.
Posted by at 5:12 AM on July 9
“America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion for unpaid labor that built the country’s infrastructure.”
Pure nonsense! During slavery, over 90% of black slaves were involved solely in cotton and tobacco picking. Two crops, which by 1850, were fast losing world market share to cheaper products from countries like China, Egypt and India. Poor immigrants, mostly from Europe, provided the labor that built this country’s infrastructure.
When discussing the post-slavery era, blacks want to have it both ways. In one breath they say blacks were discriminated against in hiring; in another they claim blacks built the country’s infrastructure. Which one is it going to be?
Posted by Francis at 6:14 AM on July 9
1. Obama may have little use for the free enterprise system, but he is not dumb. He knows reparations is a “red line” not only for race conscious european americans but for whites and probably many hispanics jealous of blacks. Reparations is a stupid idea that will never happen as a lump sum payment to blacks. On the other hand, affimative action is an installment plan kind of reparations. Lets focus on getting rid of affimative action for blacks, hispanics, American Indians, immigrants, anybody.
2. It’s time those who use the public’s resources be charged fees to compensate hard working taxpayers. No more free emergency room care for illegal immigrants, poor whites or blacks. Medicaid should not be “free” health care but should have copays like private insurance. Education should charge tuition, even if less than private schools. Watch the misuse and overuse of public resources decline, and in the case of schools, student behavior and student achievement, even of those blacks who choose to pay, improve. As for those who don’t pay, they will have incentives to work, and if they don’t work, work camps can be organized. Sitting on a stoop or on a street corner smoking crack is not an option. Deportation to the Great Plains or middle Alaska (w/o housing or equipment) is a reasonable option for those who refuse work camp relocation or gainful employment like working in fields or meatpacking plants. This will also enable us to lay off illegal immigrants. These excess beings can then crawl back to China, Central America, Mexico or the Caribbean.
Posted by feller at 7:25 AM on July 9
They are paid in full. With citizenship of this Country. If they want money instead, they first have to board a boat back to where they came from.
Posted by at 8:36 AM on July 9
Blacks didn’t build this country’s infrastructure. Blacks are incapable of building anything. Look at Haiti, Jamaica, Detroit or Africa. None of these black places have any “infrastructure” to speak of. Blacks were just a pool of low-grade agricultural labour, primarily rice, tobacco and cotton. They weren’t (and aren’t) artisians, architects, engineers, etc. I think blacks have swallowed another whopper here, just like they have deluded themselves into thinking “their” ancestors built the pyramids.
Posted by at 8:42 AM on July 9
“Even immigrants and people whose ancestral line contains no slaveholders should pay reparations, since every American benefits from slavery…All American people are responsible for the debt America owes.”
If the benefits of slavery of the distant past still resonates today to the degree that reparationists claim, then Black in America have ALSO benefited from it. And if Blacks in America are Americans, they TOO are iresponsbile for their share of this debt. Ironic is it not.
It will be deducted from any money owing to them if they are owed anything in the first place.
Now to put American slavery into perspective, there were far more Africans taken to Brazil than America and the trans Saharan slavery to Arab kingdoms outdoes the entire trans Atlantic in terms of duration and number of individuals. But there doesn’t seem to be any calls for reparations from Brazil, the Arabs…nor from descendents of the Africans who supplied their war captures and surplus population as slaves. Only from rich, generous countries are demands made: Blacks from America and Carribean Blacks from Britain.
Posted by at 8:50 AM on July 9
Since African slavery was allegedly so beneficial you would think the countries that imported the greatest amount of slaves would be the most prosperous. Brazil should be the greatest nation on earth!
Interestingly enough the country that had the fewest slaves, The United States, turned out to be the greatest of all. Maybe the ancestors of our African friends didn’t contribute quite as much as they would like to believe. That or either our slaves must have been extra hard workers and super geniuses.
Posted by Anglo Protestant American at 9:45 AM on July 9
Candidate Obama’s statement bears inspection:
“I think the reparations we need right here in South Carolina is investment, for example, in schools.” Obama said.
He said it outright: “The reparations we need..” He is for reparations, and will do something about it if placed in office. Be afraid..be very, very afraid.
Posted by Cliff Yablonski at 9:46 AM on July 9
Houston’s KHOU.COM website is usually FULL of crime stories. The perps invariably being Blacks or Hispanics (usually illegal Mexicans). Mention that in the KHOU blogs, though and you get a firestorm of rebuttals.
What is it with our p.c. correct folls that they can’t grasp the premise, that our Black and Hispanic minorities seem to do just about EVERY crime popping up in the news stories and newscasts? One of today’s stories was about an elderly Black man, viciously beaten by another Black as part of a robbery attempt. Yet I failed to see our “folk hero”, Quannel X address this crime in any way. Seems Quannel, himself an ex-con, has a problem with wanting his colleagues do hard time. Besides which, it’s more fun to take cheap shots at so-called racism by Whites.
We need to get the word out, no matter how politically INCORRECT it is. Blacks, Hispanics… THEY are the worst criminals, preying on both minority communities. The liberal fools just keep deluding themselves with those silly claims blaming Black dysfunctionality being the after-effects of slavery and post-slavery discrimination. After all, you see the same criminal pattern in Black Africans who ‘migrated’ to White European nations, as well as in those still in the Black African countries. Or should we view THEIR sociopathic mentality as sympathy for their American counterparts?
Posted by Fed Up at 9:48 AM on July 9
What about the billions of dollars that the government has spent on social welfare programs that blacks use at a much higher rate than whites? Does this not count as a form of reparations?
What about their black brothers in Africa who sold them into slavery? Many African blacks got quite wealthy off the slave trade. If we owe reparations, don’t they also?
“The Bible says we shall be and must be repairers of the breach.”
This is very funny. Kucinich and other liberals don’t seem to care much about Biblical admonitions when it comes to sucking the brains out of half-born babies.
Posted by qwerty at 9:52 AM on July 9
I, like many whites I know, are beginning to make preparations to leave this hellhole in the future.
Where do you intend to go?
The U.S. is probably the least screwed up country for whites. Here we at least still have the right to keep arms and can at least still go down fighting, instead of being herded into concentration camps with no means to resist.
Posted by qwerty at 10:04 AM on July 9
The brainwashed White-guilt liberals are preparing to put Obama in the White House and the amazing thing is that not one single political analyst or media reporter/personality has yet to ask the phony senator what his exact position is on reparations for slavery. The Republicans had better make this a big campaign issue. It is unthinkable that Obama could get elected without anyone pinning him down on this matter.
Posted by at 10:54 AM on July 9
“Out of curiosity, are there ANY white-friendly countries around?”
There is only one that I know of—-Russia. The Putin government enacted several new statutes to rid the country of immigrant parasites and Russians, conveniently, are extremely ethnocentric. Quite a nice combination if you ask me.
Posted by Earl K. at 11:07 AM on July 9
Out of curiosity, are there ANY white-friendly countries around? I think some people here said Argentina, Switzerland and Italy were. At least that’s what I think I heard.
You can forget about Switzerland, as they’re very selective about who they let in. You pretty much have to either marry a Swiss citizen or have at least a million Swiss Franks in a Swiss bank in order to become a legal permanent resident.
I refuse to emigrate on principle, since I’ll be damned if I’ll let myself be run out of my country by the likes of Fat Al Sharpton and Je$$e Jacka$$. Since I have no wife or children, and therefore no dependents to worry about, my plan is to simply stockpile ammunition and take a lot more target practice. If I have to give my life in Civil War II, then so be it. No one lives forever, anyway. However, if I wasn’t of such a mind, Finland is pretty much the only country I’d consider emigrating to, since they still have the right to own guns. You’d have to learn Finnish, though, which would be pretty difficult since it’s totally unrelated to English and most other European languages.
Posted by qwerty at 11:36 AM on July 9
We’ve been paying reparations FOREVER and will CONTINUE to do so…WELFARE, FREE HOUSING, FREE MEDICAL, AFIRMATIVE ACTION in colleges and work…and NOW we have the mortgage bailout!…who do you think comprises the 4% that are defaulting on their loans anyway?…the 4% that we ALL will be FORCED to bail out!…if these had been WHITES who took out these loans…THEY would be on the STREET!…Obama will do even MORE!…fyi…he just stated that “immigrants” who speak SPANISH should NOT be “forced” to learn ENGLISH…WE need to have OUR children learn SPANISH!…the fact that WE don’t speak a second language is an “embarrassment”!…apparently, to HIM, ANYTHING that is WHITE in America is an “embarrassment”!
Posted by Suzan Donoghue at 12:51 PM on July 9
“Out of curiosity, are there ANY white-friendly countries around?”
Switzerland. They have the best immigration restrictions in Europe except for Russia.
Posted by at 1:41 PM on July 9
I like what Michael C. Scott wrote at 6:11 PM on July 8 only he didn’t go far enough. Include in the deportees all the white women married to or sleeping with black thugs, and all their resulting brown children. They love Africans so much, they will surely want to be with them. (And if not, who cares?)
Once we have taken care of that problem we will have some experience in Deporting people who don’t want to leave, so we should be able to take care of the millions of Mexicans, other Hispanics, Somalis, and other flotsam and jetsam that are littering our shores. After that, we can take care of our own problems, criminals, welfare cases, etc. That agenda should keep us busy for 4 or 5 years, during which our borders have been absolutely closed—NO ONE GETS IN, no matter what. Anybody who wants out can go and more power to them, but they can’t come back.
This should put us bacl on a relatively even scale at which time we can implement a very limited, reasonable immigration program.
Posted by at 1:50 PM on July 9
“While they seek reparations, we should be seeking relocations.”
(— GetBackJack)
Me thinks you’ve got that backwards. The only relocating that should be taking place is that of blacks. Their reparations — if any are grated — should come in the form of a boat-ride back to Africa. That’s where they belong.
Posted by at 1:56 PM on July 9
>>>Kucinich and other liberals don’t seem to care much about Biblical admonitions
Nice point! The liberal fools are simply PANDERING to Blacks. Hoping to buy their votes with TAXPAYER’s money!
Does anyone expect a sudden dishing out of reparations [blackmail] money will END the demand? Really believe that Blacks, after blowing the money on drugs, threads, booze, grills and cars — won’t be back DEMANDING MORE REPARATIONS! If you believe they won’t — call me (collect). Have I got a great deal for you on a famous New York City bridge.
Seriously, WHAT, if anything do Whites actually owe Blacks? Other than a fair employment opportunity based on job qualifications and not on affirmative action? Whites have carried Blacks on our financial backs since the end of World War II. The claim Whites keep Blacks down (out of good jobs) is refuted by those millions of Blacks successfully holding jobs. At ALL job levels. Nor forgetting the ones getting filthy rich in sports and entertainment fields.
Would anyone care to demonstrate to us how Blacks are being held in poverty — other than by their own lack of education, marketable skills, lack of a demonstrated work ethic? Hell, I’m at least willing to listen. Blacks might also want to consider another inconvenient truth: That in head-to-head competition against [illegal] Hispanic immigrants, Blacks WILL lose out because Hispanics are perceived to be better workers than Blacks. But Blacks also have only themselves to blame for that problem as well.
Posted by Fed Up at 1:57 PM on July 9
And by the way, we should ship all the liberal “do-gooder” whites that created this mess along with them.
Posted by at 1:59 PM on July 9
My grandparents come to this country from Czarist Russia, where they suffered from horrors and terrors that would make your hair stand on end. When they came to America there was no welfare, unemployment insurance, social security, medicare, public housing, Section 8 — nothing, nada, bubkes.
They never robbed, raped, murdered, assaulted, stole, or rioted. They came here and toughed it out. They got up every day, obeyed the law, worked, came home, raised their families and built a better life without anyone’s help.
They never stole so much as a twig from the Indians, let alone owned any slaves. I owe blacks nothing. Which is what they should get.
Posted by White, Jewish, and Proud at 2:21 PM on July 9
Let’s face it. Blacks as a whole are not going to thank anyone for being in America. When someone tells you that you owe them regardless of whether you or your ancestors had anything to do with slavery, then you can just forget about talking to that person.
This is what black Americans are telling us whites. Attempts at “reasoned” dialogue are futile. This is the ugly truth, in my opinion, about America today. Better to prepare oneself for the obvious.
Posted by Z at 2:23 PM on July 9
READ this excerpt from KHOU news… YES, per her mug shot, she is (surprise, surprise) an Afro-American…
Houston clerk accused of embezzling millions
01:07 PM CDT on Wednesday, July 9, 2008
Associated Press
HOUSTON—An accounting clerk for a Houston window-covering company is accused of siphoning nearly $6 million from her employer over the past four years, spending the money on designer merchandise, trips to Europe and the Bahamas, and on $100,000 worth of furniture for her house.
Marcia Sinclair
Marcia Sinclair, who worked as an accounts receivable clerk for Gulf Coast Window Covering for 16 years, was arrested Monday and is being held in the Harris County Jail in lieu of $12 million bail, the Houston Chronicle reported Wednesday.
Posted by Fed Up at 2:44 PM on July 9
Time to read again the 10 reasons why reparations are a very bad idea:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/Read.aspx?GUID=%7B23D875B0-65A3-44A3-A27B-14831CCB4107%7D
See also the interesting book
“Uncivil Wars: The Constroversy Over Reparations for Slavery “
What a sucker scam that would only work, if ever, on some Whites. Descendants of African or Muslim slavers (more slaves sent East than west) in Africa or the Mid-East would never consider reparations and no one would be foolish enough to ask and get laughed at.
Another reason not to vote for super liberal Obama who has not rejected reparations -i.e., he’ll go for it once elected.
Posted by FM at 3:56 PM on July 9
There are untold millions of white Americans today, unwittingly, who are descendants of white slaves, or euphemistically called ‘indentured servants’, brought here against their will from Europe to populate and build this country from the very beginning, long before the black slave trade kicked in full force.
The term ‘redneck’ comes from fair-skinned white slaves from Europe who got sunburned toiling in the fields in the South. Isn’t ironic that it’s still okay to call a white person a ‘redneck’, but you can’t call a black descendant of slaves a “you-know-what”?
In fact, in the 1600’s, free blacks and American Indians both owned white slaves. Furthermore, many blacks today in America are also descendants of formally white slaves (no, not all blacks in this country have white blood in them simply because their white slave owners ‘raped’ their black slave women, a la Hollywood).
So why is it that when a white person fails to get ahead in life, they can’t claim it’s because they are descendants of slaves? Why didn’t former white slaves need a Civil Rights Movement to promote their God-given rights to eat at black restaurants, live in black neighborhoods, or be educated at black schools, all at black people’s expense?
Why is it that the United States abolished institutional slavery faster than any other country in the history of the world, and yet 150 years later we still haven’t done enough despite billions of dollars in welfare and social programs every year? I’m sure it has nothing to do with IQ.
If Obama or his wife hadn’t checked off the ‘african-american’ race identity box on their college applications to Columbia, Harvard and Princeton, would they have gotten in? Would he even be running for President?
Perhaps we should find out which ‘Afro-Americans’ enjoying life in this country today are actually descendants of Black slave owners of white slaves and ask them for 40 acres and a mule. If you want 40 acres in the ghettos of Detroit, Newark, Flint, or East St. Louis, you can have it. I’ll just take the mule—it’s probably worth more.
Posted by at 4:04 PM on July 9
Must be nice to think they can get away with stating flat-out “Blacks built this country”. And are the ones who responsible for it’s infrastructure, in an attempt to extort money from white Americans. It also must be a discouraging to learn that most of Americas most famous architectural wonders, were built during the later part of the 19th century, and the early half of the 20th century, when there was photographic evidence to prove that whites, and whites alone, were responsible for these marvels.
Don’t try standing on the shoulders of White Americans, to try and collect money from their descendants.
Empire State Building white workers
http://drx.typepad.com/psychotherapyblog/images/2007/09/26/lewis_hine_phot_nyc_empire_state__2.jpg
Golden Gate Bridge white builders
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/goldengate/peopleevents/p_workers.html
Crysler building white workers
http://www.archives.gov/publications/record/1998/03/images/iron-workers.gif
White builders of Mount Rushmore
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/amex/rushmore/peopleevents/e_carving.html
White builders of the Hoover dam
http://www.nytstore.com/ProdDetail.aspx?prodId=2787
White workers from the Brooklyn Bridge
http://www.uh.edu/engines/brookbr.gif
Posted by at 4:30 PM on July 9
I have read from various sources that President Abraham Lincoln wanted to send black people back to Africa after their emancipation from slavery.
If this is so, then John Wilkes Booth did one of the worst crimes in American history! I wonder what America would be like today if Lincoln was not assassinated and lived to serve more than one term in office as President?
Posted by Harry at 4:51 PM on July 9
America owes blacks!!?? Blacks owe America. 13% of the population yet makes up 65% of all crime. 3 trillion (and counting) in welfare costs and they are still on welfare. Legal discrimination against whites in government and academia and they still whine. Let’s not forget they would be rotting in Africa had their ancestors not been brought here which, by the way, was the biggest mistake in American history.
Posted by Alucard at 5:06 PM on July 9
“Since African slavery was allegedly so beneficial you would think the countries that imported the greatest amount of slaves would be the most prosperous. Brazil should be the greatest nation on earth!
Interestingly enough the country that had the fewest slaves, The United States, turned out to be the greatest of all. Maybe the ancestors of our African friends didn’t contribute quite as much as they would like to believe. That or either our slaves must have been extra hard workers and super geniuses.
Posted by Anglo Protestant American at 9:45 AM on July 9”
The other corollary to the fantasy of critical black involvement in infrastructure is to look at Africa, which had vastly more numbers of potential slaves and yet remained in the Stone Age. Apparently these amazingly hard workers weren’t able to apply themselves to the betterment of their own conditions in any meaningful way.
Posted by ODDL at 5:16 PM on July 9
R.E.P.A.R.A.T.I.O.N.S. “Redistribution Enterprise Pays Afro-americans Retroactively After Taxed Incomes Offer Non-slaves ‘Solvency’”
Just another scam. All the money Blacks have made by false worker’s compensation claims, welfare and ROBBING Beautiful White people should have been enough (actually, Whites deserve reparations for Affirmative Action).
Posted by White is Beautiful Robert at 5:21 PM on July 9
As Pat Buchanan said in his recent article, “A Brief for Whitey”, America has paid over 40 trillion dollars on “Great Society” welfare programs over the past 40 years which were devised for the primary benefit of 40 million American blacks. How much have we paid in reparations thus far per head?-Do the math! All this, despite the fact that American blacks were and are the most prosperous blacks on the planet! Every “African-american” should fall on his knees and thank the good Lord that he was born in the U. S., and that at least one of his ancestors was loaded onto a slave ship bound for North America. How do those fortunate ones that were left behind in Africa feel about those “unfortunates” that went to America?-just ask them!-they’re envious as hell!
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How true, and even though they curse America most would never think of leaving. And even if they did, it would no doubt be for another white country. Like parasites, they feed off their host, and will drain them of all they can. Shakedowns and guilt trips work wonders on the weak, and they know it.
Posted by at 5:30 PM on July 9
Reparations for slavery? Slavery is as old as the human race & had been around in various forms in almost every culture since the beginning of time until the White Christian Western nations put paid to the practice [though unfortunately slavery was never completely eradicated in Africa & is still practised in some African countries]. Blacks who demand reparations have absolutely no self-respect at all & are completely ignorant of the historical facts of slavery. They are a form of parasite that preys upon its host, the United States of America. Don’t debate with them. Don’t argue with them. End of story.
Posted by dr dees brainwashing elixir at 6:10 PM on July 9
Wautella Graham of the National Coalition of Blacks for Reparations in America says,” Slavery victimizes free blacks to this day. All American people are responsible for the debt America owes.”
This could more accurately be stated,” Afro-centrism victimizes blacks to this day. All people of African ancestry who wallow in their past are responsible for the debt.”
Posted by EUROMAX at 7:21 PM on July 9
I fear for the future of my child because any sort of “reparations” set up will no nothing but break the proverbial camels back. White working-class taxpayers are being taxed to the point of starvation as it is in the name of equality to feed millions of those on welfare who hate us, and we will be expected to give more?
According to Websters Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary, the word ‘Slave’ comes from the root word ‘Slav’. Slavs were central Europeans (Whites)who were slaves hundreds of years before African Americans were brought over here and educated, fed, clothed, housed, and basically given the same privileges we all have, if not more. I don’t recall of ever hearing the Slavics whining about “reparations” for their time spent under the yoke and whip.
Another thing I think of when I think of “slavery and oppression” is property value. If “slaves” were bought, they were considered investments. Like my truck. I rely on it to get me to work. It must run properly and be reliable. Tall tales repeatedly drilled into our heads of “slave” owners brutally punishing and torturing their property make as much sense to me as me gutting my truck. Starving “slaves” cannot work efficiently. It’d be like driving to work on fumes. But hey, I have my own opinions. At least for now I’m allowed to.
I see a lot of good points made here, and it is nice to know I’m not the only one who cares about the destination this Country is headed for.
There is no reason my son or your children should suffer while those who exploit their ancestors “contribution” to the American infrastructure bleed our pockets dry. Our children deserve better than this.There is no charity for the White working-class.
Posted by Thumper From Arkansas at 9:19 PM on July 9
What about the indentured whites during the early times in America? What about the serfs of medieval times that were owned by lords and barons. Slaves were more valued than serfs of the lords. What about the poor Pilgrims that came to America seeking freedom?
Blacks never fought for their freedom, they let the Union do it for them. I agree slavery is bad, but the decendents of slaves now have some of the greatest opportunities in the world afforded to blacks/africans, and one of them is running for President. Give me a break.
I have worked for black “supervisors” and they are very very condescending.. It is like they are making up for their ancestors. They treat whites like dung most of the time.
Posted by Sandi at 9:39 PM on July 9
Any damage to blacks caused by racism over the years in America is dwarfed by the damage they have caused to white American society simply by living among us- with all of the attended problems they bring.
I bet if you calculated it out, it would be greater than the whole net worth of Black America, certainly, so why not just say “you can’t pay your debt, so we’ll just put you back into slavery and call it even.”
Posted by C.V. at 9:58 PM on July 9
I don’t mean to change the subject on this thread, but I have something I’d like to throw out to Amren posters. I am currently in an online argument with a black over black-white racial differences. He has attempted to “debunk” documented IQ differences between the races by claiming that black African immigrants to America are the country’s highest racial/ethnic group. Has anyone heard anything about this? Can anyone supply me with links/info. to dispute this? It sounds fishy.
Posted by at 10:21 PM on July 9
I once got in a heated online debate with a black woman, who stated that White Americans renegged or their promise to blacks for 30 acres and a mule, and insisted they should be compensated with a large house, in an upscale neighborhood with a nice car. There was no convincing her that there was never such a promise. When I brought up modern slavery in Sudan by black Janjaweed, she said she could care less because it didn’t involve her people or her ancestors. Then I reminded her, that my ancestors did not play a role in slavery either, like many other white Americans, and this two faced hypocrite, said it didn’t matter All White Americans owe Blacks.
Posted by at 10:35 PM on July 9
*Let’s face it. Blacks as a whole are not going to thank anyone for being in America. When someone tells you that you owe them regardless of whether you or your ancestors had anything to do with slavery, then you can just forget about talking to that person*
Yep, they’re saying You owe us because we are black, and you are white. It doesn’t matter if your ancestors were still living in Europe when slavery was abolished, or if your ancestors fought for the North, or were even a part of the underground railroad. You are part of the guilty race and owe us your money. But first, let’s hear them explain how American today are still profitting from slavery? Many blacks have deluded themselves into believing they truly did build this country, when barely any of our American infrastructure was architecturally designed much less, built by their hands.
Posted by at 3:07 AM on July 10
I am all for giving them reparations. Having been deprived of freedom when they could have been building their future, we should do all in power to ensure that they live at least as well as their black brothers and sisters who were not enslaved.
Posted by ciccio at 12:53 PM on July 10
>America owes Blacks $700 billion to $1.9 trillion
39 million blacks in America, not all of whom are even the descendants of slaves, like Obama. And we are supposed to bestow lavish wealth on them? I notice they say, White America owes them, so it appears they are suggesting that Hispanics, Asians and all other non-white ethnic groups, should be free of sin-tax! Although meanwhile, whites would still be taxed supporting other non-white immigrants, and their children. I guess this is what they call White privilege!
Posted by at 3:28 PM on July 10
“He has attempted to “debunk” documented IQ differences between the races by claiming that black African immigrants to America are the country’s highest racial/ethnic group. Has anyone heard anything about this?”
They probably are “highest” in at least one sense, but I doubt that’s what he’s talking about. Anyone with the power of speech can make a groundless claim; I’d ask for some hard, verifiable data.
Posted by Cassiodorus at 3:47 PM on July 10
I guess all those tax dollars stolen from our paychecks since 1964 to give blacks a leg up was nothing. Might as well have flushed the billions er, I mean trillions down the tiolet for all the good its done.
How about all the jobs they’ve gotten because their black?
How about all the food stamps, WIC and welfare checks,and housing grants?
THEY ARE NEVER GOING TO BE SATISFIED. They want the entire country, they want to own everything. They don’t want to own a car like yours or a house like yours. Nor do they want a job like yours or mine. They want my job, my house and my car. They’ve become greedy and out of control and they should have been stopped years ago.
Posted by Gayle Sollenberger at 3:52 PM on July 10
Most blacks have a profound attraction to Arabs, and even though they took part in slavery long long before Whites. you will hear very few Black Americans acknowledge this as fact, Their attraction to them is so great, they say that because they are uusally Muslim, they do not believe in racism and are very open to marrying them. They can be incredibly naive about the history of black slavery, and how other non blacks have regarded them thoughout history. They simply wish to cling to the childish belief that only the White man is racist, and that slavery is strictly a White mans evil.
Posted by at 5:28 PM on July 10
From the way this writer talks, you’d think blacks were some kind of superhuman worker, when in fact all they essentially did was pick cotton and tobacco, and serve food. If slavery was so enriching, why was the South one of the poorest regions of the U.S for so long?
Posted by at 5:25 PM on July 11
If White people are stupid enough to pay reparations to living blacks, what happens when the next generation of blacks is born? This will never end.
Posted by at 7:45 PM on July 11
10:21 PM on July 9 wrote He has attempted to “debunk” documented IQ differences between the races by claiming that black African immigrants to America are the country’s highest racial/ethnic group. Has anyone heard anything about this?
Huh? Highest in what way? In a drug sense? Immigration influx? What has that to do with IQ?
Posted by at 10:52 PM on July 11
the constant whine of how america was “built on the backs of black slaves” is getting old. One only has to look at africa to get an idea of just how much the african slave might have contributed. the way i see it, slavery was the cost africans had to pay to enter human civilization.
Posted by at 3:48 AM on July 13
so let’s suppose we suspend common sense and the US treasury issues 20 million checks for $10,000 to all adult black victims of slavery, and after 1 year blacks still find themselves in the same plight as they are today, who will be the first to proclaim “it aint be anough”
Posted by at 3:54 AM on July 13