Vasectomy Requirement Part of Virginia Man’s Plea Deal

CBS DC, June 23, 2014

A Virginia man who has fathered children with several women has agreed to get a vasectomy to reduce his prison term by up to five years in a child endangerment case that has evoked the country’s dark history of forced sterilization.

{snip} Shenandoah County assistant prosecutor Ilona White said her chief motive in making the extraordinarily unusual offer was keeping Herald from fathering more than the seven children he has by at least six women.

“He needs to be able to support the children he already has when he gets out,” she said, adding that Herald and the state both benefit from the deal, first reported by the Northern Virginia Daily.

Though Herald willingly–if reluctantly, according to his attorney–signed on to the deal, the agreement immediately calls to mind the surgical sterilizations carried out in Virginia and dozens of other states during the 20th century under the discredited pseudoscience called eugenics, said Brandon Garrett, a University of Virginia law professor.

“This takes on the appearance of social engineering,” said Steve Benjamin of Richmond, past president of the Virginia Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers, who said he has never heard of a case like Herald’s.

Some 8,000 people deemed genetically inferior or deficient were forcibly sterilized in Virginia from the 1920s to about 1970. Many other states also had eugenics programs but abandoned them after World War II when forced sterilizations became closely associated with Nazi Germany’s racial purity efforts.

The movement resulted in the sterilization of tens of thousands of people, primarily the mentally disabled, minorities and the poor. {snip}

Herald’s attorney, Charles Ramsey, and White, the prosecutor, disputed any suggestion that the plea deal for Herald, who is white, has similarities to eugenics.

“I would never agree with that line of thinking. That was nowhere in my thought process,” White said.

Said Ramsey, “I understand the comparison, but I don’t think it’s fair. That’s kind of exaggerating it.”

Herald, of Edinburg, was sentenced this month to one year and eight months in prison for child endangerment, hit and run, and driving on a suspended license in a crash in which authorities said his 3-year-old son was bloodied but not seriously hurt.

The agreement requires Herald to undergo the operation within a year of being released from prison and prohibits him from having the vasectomy reversed while he is on probation.

{snip}

Charles Herald said he believes his nephew, who has worked as a roofer and in a poultry plant, has financially supported at least some of his children. But he could not say exactly how many there are.

“I don’t think even he knows,” Charles Herald said.

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Ramsey said he had an ethical duty to pass along to his client the prosecutor’s highly unusual plea offer.

“It was not a no-brainer for him,” Ramsey said. “It was a difficult decision. I had some reservations as well, but I don’t want to get too much into my opinion of it because it’s not my decision.”

Benjamin, who said he was speaking in general terms and not about a specific case, said a vasectomy simply should not be a factor in plea negotiations.

“Sentencing conditions are designed to prevent future criminal behavior,” he said. “Fathering children is not criminal behavior.”

Said Garrett: “There’s a question whether certain options should even be on the table.”

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  • Anglokraut

    Whew! I’m sure the Thoroughbred breeding industry is happy to hear that the scientific laws of Mendelian genetics have been suspended. Now they can breed to Clydesdales and still get a Derby winner–since breed is a social construct.

    • TunaFist

      Kinda what I was thinking. Just replace “eugenics” with “selective breeding” and any reasonable person will see the sheer idiocy in the ” discredited pseudoscience called eugenics” comment.

      • Anglokraut

        Yeah, sort of like Peta putting plants into purebred dog clubs, and spouting Nazi slogans about “purity of the race” in an attempt to make having a purebred dog akin to desiring a “master race”.
        They can whine all they want, but they can’t get a mutt, no matter how cute (like my own mixed dogs!) into Westminster without papers and an approved pedigree.

  • Jesse James

    The obvious problem with a return to government directed sterilization is that it will enable the non-white and traitor coalition that have seized control of our government to finish us whites off once and for all.

    • David Ashton

      That would be a reason for a revolution today, not an uprising tomorrow. The welfare system in both the UK and even the USA is already dysgenic.

    • sbuffalonative

      I saw a documentary on eugenics many years ago and it was heartbreaking.

      White children who had been born out of wedlock were sterilized.

      What a tragedy for whites. Hundreds of thousands of genes were lost because some overzealous eugenicist determined illegitimate children were undesirable and shouldn’t reproduce.

      I’m a firm believer in genetics and the influence of genes but if eugenics is going to target healthy whites, then I have a problem.

      • Jesse James

        Anyone who is aware of how anti-white the US government has become should be completely against allowing the government to involve itself in any type of sterilization or eugenics program. We are crazy to even be discussing it. It won’t be Sam Francis or Enoch Powell types that will be sitting on a sterilization decision board or administering a new American eugenics program. It will be people like Sonya Sotomayer, Ruth Bader Ginsberg and that helpful colored woman down at the DMV running the show. I am against giving anyone this power over me and mine even if we had a better less toxic world with a sane elite. Under the current circumstances any such program is insane. Do you want some group like the bull dykes that run DHS deciding who gets to breed?

        Yes current government policy of providing more money to breed more permanent welfare recipients in single family brood sties is dysgenic and should be ended. Stopping governments financial incentives for breeding bastards is a far cry from having the government actively pursuing eugenics.

        • kjh64

          He is not being forced, he is offered the deal in exchange for less prison time. It’s his choice. Nobody on here sees a problem for demanding welfare women get fixed, Well, what’s good for the goose is good for the gander. Neither irresponsible men or women need to breed, though I don’t believe in “forcing” people, just offering them such deals in exchange for less time or getting benefits. It would be the person’s choice to agree or not.

          • Jesse James

            Put that way it does make sense but it puts a lot of faith in leviathan government to limit itself. I think it is legitimate to be concerned. Like the old Sergeant said about homosexuality in the service, first it was against the law, then it was don’t ask don’t tell, then it was celebrated as our strength, heck I’m getting out before it is mandatory. I will admit that I have said in the past that families getting aid for their children should be put on some type of birth control like Depo-prevara shots. I have also said that the parentage of every child on government assistance should be determined, we certainly have the testing means to do that now so I do believe that men should be required to support their children.

          • JP Rushton

            Plea bargains are not a choice.

            When you are presented with “You can have 6 months probation or go see a judge who will give you 5 years” you take the deal, even if you are innocent. There is a reason why our conviction rates are over 95%.

            Plea bargains are also essential to the way our justice system works. If every single person refused to take a plea bargain tomorrow, it would break the entire system. There aren’t enough judges, lawyers or time to try everyone in court.

          • Usually Much Calmer

            Yes yes and yes.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Indeed they are an ultimatum with the state holding a gun to your head.

      • Ike Eichenberg

        There is a de facto eugenics program targeting the middle class, which is predominately white.

        By overtly encouraging women to have careers outside the home, creating a tax structure (SSI, Medicare, sales, property, and income) that takes such a large portion of income that it almost requires two incomes, and encouraging businesses to outsource many blue collar but middle class jobs thus lowering income, the progs have created a situation where middle class families barely afford to replace themselves much less grow.

        On the other hand the lower classes are provided a lifestyle conducive to breeding. They are provided rent subsidies, food, medicaid, and more.

        Without sterilizing people in the average to upper average IQ range you could not create a more effective system to dilute the middle class (white) genetic contribution.

        • LHathaway

          There is a eugenics program going on. Women are more than happy to carry out a eugenics program of their own as long was they are in charge of it.

          • Ike Eichenberg

            Very true, but I would argue that when you account for the much higher abortion rate among the less intelligent that it is a net benefit, obviously disregarding the moral factor.

            For whites there are around 140 abortions per 1,000 live births.
            Hispanics a little over 200 per 1,000 live births.
            And blacks are around 500.

            Not to mention the benefit of limiting the genetic contribution of those that think abortion is an acceptable form of birth control.

            I believe it is morally wrong to have an abortion, but I cannot deny the numbers.

          • Alexis Rodriguez

            It doesn’t have to do with being intelligent or not (or at least thats that not the main point), it also has to do with human capital, access to advanced social networks, education levels, and accumulated wealth. I am in favor of sterilization being a choice to reduce jail sentences, needed for welfare benefits, for loans, etc…

            If you look at the history, the Greeks went into decline for ~400 years, and were lifted from their dark age via using their ships to accumulate knowledge from the Egyptians and Phoenicians. Also look at: North Korea vs South Korea. From what I heard from Noam Chomsky, part of the reason Mexico is poor and America is rich is that the Americans used tariffs to funnel profits of slavery to early industrialization, and they took natural resource rich land by a policy of “gun diplomacy” from the Native Americans.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      There’s nothing wrong with eugenics, as long as it’s practiced by white nationalists in a 100% white ethnostate.

      • Who Me?

        Yes, in an ideal, White-run world. But an ideal world is NOT where we are. It wouldn’t be long before those very same laws would be actively used to exterminate White people entirely. We would be deemed, “undesirable”.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          I have to agree, we should be very careful what we wish for when it comes to laws being enacted. They just might come to pass, and later used against us. Remember the RICO statues? They were enacted after being touted as a weapon against organized crime, but now they can be and are being used against anyone who the ruling elite regards as troublesome. They could even be used against us. All the while, the real king pin of organized crime globally is not being affected by RICO statues. They and “anti-terrorism” laws can be and will be sooner or later used in an attempt to crush dissent, we must be that glob of grease that the harder they squeeze the more we spread.

      • Usually Much Calmer

        Oh, gee, I don’t think an integrated eugenics program is workable.

        I’d like the principles of eugenics to be known to all and for that to influence in a social way selective breeding at the micro level. I’d like to see public policy avoid all dysgenic effects.

        But any centralized control of eugenics makes me think of One Flew Over the Cuckoos Next with sterilization replacing lobotomy. Power like that should not be centralized, regardless of aim.

      • LHathaway

        It seems like a good idea, birthing better or at least healthier humans. So many of these things that start out with the best of intentions. . .

  • JackKrak

    This is largely non-controversial and off the major media radar because the guy going under the knife can get sunburned.

    If Dontravious, L’Angelo or DeJamaray were the one facing this, it would be time for a National Discussion on Race and five minutes of hate for Virginia.

    • JP Rushton

      Absolutely. This sentence will only be handed to whites.

  • David Ashton

    The purpose of mainstream painless voluntary humanitarian eugenics has been and remains a reduction in the future proportion of people with inherited disabilties and an increase in the proportion with inherited abilities. Its opponents often seem to have vested sociopolitical interest in the irreversible multiplication of “cretins, criminals and cripples” among generations yet unconceived. As the English writers Beverley Nichols and Arnold Lunn said independently as long as 75 years ago, the modern “intellectual” does not debate – he denounces.

  • TheCogitator

    Although he sounds like white trash, he is still white, that is why they were able to make this offer. Had he been black, no judge would in his right mind would have been willing to take the heat that would bring. By the way, I wish this were done more often, especially with blacks, but rather than have it part of the criminal system, I would rather see them offered money to volunteer to be sterilized. Take advantage of their propensity for instant gratification.

    • Terra Magnum Imperium

      Agreed, been saying that for years, people with lower IQ’s 130 would be offered incentives to have children. In a society of increasing technology complexity, higher IQ’s are becoming increasingly necessary even for many entry level jobs.
      Like it or not Designer Babies are coming despite the governments attempts to outlaw this technology.
      Once the Joneses announce their DB with 125 IQ, near perfect health, improved looks, physical abilities, blue eyes, etc. Everyone is going to scramble just to keep up…

  • Texan1st

    The likelihood of successfully reversing a vasectomy decreases by 20% every year. How long is his probation?

  • M.

    “This takes on the appearance of social engineering.”

    As opposed to desegregation programs, and opening the doors to millions of racial and cultural aliens to the native population.

  • I would prefer physical castration.