The Future of Race and Science: Regression or Revolution

Penn Arts & Sciences, April 10, 2014


Widener Lecture Hall (Penn Museum)

9:00-9:15–Welcome by Barbara Savage, Director, Center for Africana Studies; Introduction by Dorothy Roberts, Director, Program on Race, Science & Society

9:15-10:30–Panel 1: “The Crisis of Race in Science, Past and Present”

Moderator–Tukufu Zuberi; Panelists–Kim TallBear and Harriet Washington


10:40-11:50–Panel 2: “Teaching About Race in Science and Medicine”

Moderator–Ann Morning; Panelists–Evelynn Hammonds and Jonathan Metzl

11:50-12:00–Remarks by President Amy Gutmann


12:45-1:50–Panel 3: “Using Race in Research and Biotechnologies”

Moderator–Alondra Nelson; Panelists–Jonathan Marks and Charles Rotimi


2:00-3:00–Plenary session


[Editor’s Note: The skulls at the top of the flyer are from Samuel Morton’s collection. See here for its significance.]

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  • Puggg

    Sounds like fun. Except I’m busy tomorrow.

    • Luca

      Me too, I have to rearrange my sock drawer and clip my nose hairs.

      • Puggg

        If I did not have to work, I’d schedule a painful medical procedure.

        • I think it’d be kind of amusing if someone videotaped it and did a “best of” series. I suspect it would be difficult to differentiate from a good (dry) parody.

    • Oil Can Harry

      If all the scientists throughout resembled the buffoons on that panel we’d still be living in caves.

      • me

        It will be refreshing to see that all medical research funding that helps Negroes with their ‘special’ genetic and racial diseases will go bankrupt, because, after all, race is a ‘social construct’. Therefore, all sickle cell anemia is an illusion….

  • David Ashton

    Spot the White Anglo-Saxon Protestant!

    • Ed

      Think I spot a Jew. šŸ™‚

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      The history of the HBD controversy is mostly Anglos versus Jews. Certainly not all Jews are obscurantist Boasians, nor are the hereditarians all Anglo or vice versa, but there is a disproportionate number of each group on each side.

      • MBlanc46

        It’s far from just Jews who rationalize nonsense in the social sciences and the humanities. Asserting nonsense is just about a requirement to get a doctorate or a teaching position in most of those subjects.

        • Daniel Schmuhl

          I know, I never really said that it’s only Jews.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          But Jews are overrepresented among the biggest pushers of social constructionism and anti-hereditarianism in the natural sciences, social sciences and the humanities. Boas, Montagu, Gould, Kamin, Lewontin… the list is (seemingly) endless.

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            Which famous scientist-public intellectual made this profound statement?

            ā€œThereā€™s been no biological change in humans in 40,000 to 50,000 years. Everything we call civilization weā€™ve built with the same body and brain.ā€

          • Brian


      • David Ashton

        I wasn’t picking out or on Metzl or Marks but noting how the “Old Majority” were “unrepresented”. John Glad is just one good example of Jewish anti-egalitarians. Boas himself didn’t start off as racial egalitarian. The interest of Jews in promoting “anti-racism” and “multi-culturalism” accelerated during and after WW2 for obvious reasons, but the discovery that they have a higher average IQ than once supposed has cheered them up, so to speak.

        • DiversityIsDeath

          White Euro Christians are conspicuously absent from this panel of ten. Strange. It’s not like sell out white liberals are hard to find nowadays. I wonder what the reason is for not even one goy on the panel?

          • David Ashton

            I don’t know whether he is a “goy” or not but Vincent Sarich would make mincemeat of this sort of stuff.

      • So CAL Snowman

        “obscurantist Boasians”

        That’s a damn good line Daniel, damn good.

        • Daniel Schmuhl

          Thanks, I didn’t think it was that great myself lol.

      • Urbane Neanderthal

        Jews are probably the most racially aware group on the planet.
        They are quite aware how intelligent the African species is and aware that European Gentiles are smart enough to see certain behavior if it is allowed to be publicized.

        The reason they promote an anti white agenda is multi-faceted.

        The top two are probably:
        That they feel safer from a repeat of the expulsions, (England 1290, Spain 1492, German 1930’s and many more) in a less intelligent country without an ethnic majority.

        And it is easier to take advantage of a less intelligent population of blacks and browns.

        • Stan D Mute

          I’d say their number one reason for promoting the Afro is that he is so clearly and unambiguously primitive that the majority will focus almost exclusively on the Afro population and it’s endemic failures. Who in their right mind would complain about all those horrible Jewish doctors with their nasty habit of saving lives when there are millions of Afros running about forcing white women to broaden their sexual experience? In any nation with a sizable Afro population, Jews are inevitably a model minority.

          In America today of course things are not so black and white (pun intended), but I think that the Jews, consciously or subconsciously, know they can hide in the Afros’ shadow. Importation of mestizos is I think more of a labor issue with demand for low skill low wage workers that Afros now refuse to fulfill. Elite whites and Jews also see the mestizo as a controllable buffer from Afro criminality.

        • Fathercoughlin

          The minorities are a millstone that will take down the white man and make him a serf

    • Pro_Whitey

      Hey, trick question!

      • David Ashton

        The Penn armorial bearing resembles the shield used by Greshams Private School in Norfolk and the former Monoux Grammar School in Walthamstow, England, both founders being Merchant Adventurers, but presumably the royal College of Arms in the UK did not design or grant the “logo” for a university in the US republic. It must be a faked contrivance. How symbolic!

  • Samuel_Morton

    Panel 1: OMG, people are starting to realize that race is more than a social construct!

    Panel 2: How to inculcate youth that everybody is exactly the same.

    Panel 3: Obfuscating the Role of Race in Research and Biotechnologies

    3:00-3:30ā€“Reception; self-congratulation about having such a diverse panel of scholars; expressing general contempt for historic America.

    • John

      Thanks for pointing that out. According to Marks’ bio on Wikipedia “Marks published works include many scholarly articles and essays. He is an outspoken critic of scientific racism, and has prominently argued against the idea that “race” is a natural category. In Marks’s view, “race” is a negotiation between patterns of biological variation and patterns of perceived difference.” Let me translate that into plain English. “BS”.

      • Stan D Mute

        Afro “intellectuals” have become expert at rationalizing Afro failure. If you were Afro and had an IQ of 115, what else could you do? Admitting the truth, even privately, would have to be pretty devastating wouldn’t it? Either somehow, beyond all reason or explanation, whitey and every other group has since before recorded history worked tirelessly to prevent Afros from developing written language, mathematics, any conception of science, agriculture, and architecture, OR Afros are just innately primitive and unable to do anything requiring real brainpower. So today, that minuscule proportion of the Afro population that does have some smarts spends a vast amount of time developing and promoting excuses. White and Jewish elites, unable to accept the truth, contribute to and encourage the excuse making while the few who do accept the truth are afraid to speak it but still design public policy to accommodate Afro deficiency.

        • John

          Was it Shakespeare that said something along the following lines; “oh what a tangled web we weave, when at first we attempt to deceive.”? “…today, that minuscule proportion of the Afro population that does have
          some smarts spends a vast amount of time developing and promoting excuses.” I’ve noticed that. Is that just an another aspect of the concept that a chain is only as strong as its weakest link? The chain is the totality of a person. Just because their “IQ” link is above average, I think the remainder of the “chain”, in other words the person, will revert to behavior typical of their race. A black may be as smart as a white person in some instances or even smarter more rarely but will under perform the white almost every time because all their negative qualities overcome their intelligence.

  • sbuffalonative

    Conference Summary: As long as we control the discussion on race, the discussion will be allowed to commence.

  • Luca

    Look at that photo line-up. That’s what 50-years of Affirmative Action will get you; Jews, Liberals and minorities giving us lectures on race, which according to them doesn’t exist.

    • r j p

      Seven negroes, a mysteriously looking Asian Amerind, a tribe member, and a single (w)hite male.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      It doesn’t exist if you aren’t infringing in their alleged culture, history, heritage or territory.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I see that. It has been sanitized for your Marxist protection. Blue Blacks, Octaroons, and tribal members. Not a truthful word shall be spoken. Let the propaganda begin.

  • It would be a fun project for me, an ex-professor, to critically examine a sample of papers written by these “scholars.” My past experience, dealing with Mexican profs, is that affirmative action generates egotistical types whose writings are filled with jargon that they memorize, but rarely includes anything resembling high quality thought. It’s just regugitated Cultural Marxism, poorly done at that.

    Pass on the conference, thank you. Feel sorry for the students who will be forced to attend for class credit.

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    All I had to do was take one look at the panelists to know what this seminar was about.

  • Sue

    For something that’s just a social construct, they sure spend a lot of time and European MONEY on it!

  • WR_the_realist

    You’ll learn more about race and science at an Amren conference.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      Infinitely more.

    • DiversityIsDeath

      You are so right.

  • So CAL Snowman

    “Moderatorā€“Tukufu Zuberi; Panelistsā€“Kim TallBear and Harriet Washington”

    Tukufu Zuberi? Kim TallBear? What, they couldn’t get General Butt Naked on short notice? Sounds like a legit panel to me.

    • IstvanIN

      General Butt Naked shouldn’t have a difficult time getting through airport security.

  • J. Russo

    All very distinguished research institutions I see. Looks like this will be an interesting discussion. I just hope they record and upload the event.

  • wildfirexx

    I’m sure there will be no biased opinions on this panel. chuckelchuckel!

  • Mack0

    What a diverse group of people featured in the above picture

  • wildfirexx

    How can anyone consider this to be a fair evaluation of race and science, when out of ten panellists… there are 7 blacks,1 Asian and only 2 whites. This must be a reflection of America’s future population!

  • Mason Gull

    How many of them are actually scientists?

    • Tarczan

      Looks like a whole lotta really smart darkies to me.

      • IstvanIN

        Sho nuff.

      • ShermanTMcCoy

        I see a whole lot of white DNA , and one (perhaps particularly gifted) african?

      • AndrewInterrupted

        I see mostly box-checking Octaroons along the lines of Mr. Jealous of the NAACP. If you look white, but can’t make it on your own, check the box.

  • Anon

    The problem with exploring the scientific basis of race is that, by its very nature you accept an unreasonable, bad faith argument that is way out of line with common sense, and easily observed direct observation. To understand race, you do not have to break the DNA genome and do a cross sectional study with millions of subjects and create some normative test in a search for a standard measure of evil. All you have to do is set up a camera in Detroit somewhere and watch, all day long, example, after example of what blacks are.
    Instead of pointing to dozens and dozens of incidents of blacks randomly attacking, raping, pillaging, murdering….for fun and going, ahem, maybe they should not be allowed access to do those things to white people….instead of that, you argue controversial, hard to define, minutia, like if a particular gene marker common in blacks and no one else is the “cause” of “people” enjoying evil acts. And while we argue how to fix that (without ever admitting the obvious….that it cannot be fixed), more white victims will result. And they will argue and deny every last aspect of the situation. When you find proof of one thing, they will ignore it and demand proof of another…..over and over again.
    What is needed is no, not more scientific proof. What is needed is a will to hang the jackasses who are obviously working toward allowing the victimization of whites.

    • Jesse_from_Sweden

      Haven’t you got it yet?

      Multiculturalism, Diversity, whatever they want to call it.
      It’s a religion for the new era.
      It has it’s high priests and priestesses, it’s prophets that proclaim the “truth”, it requires faith from it’s followers and it pushes this faith upon everyone else and unbelievers and doubters are heretics that must the purged, either by public shaming or by legal repression if that shaming doesn’t work.

      And everyone has to at least pay lip service to their belief system unless they want to be branded as dangerous heretics that various agencies, both governmental and non-governmental, will have to deal with in order to make sure “society” stays safe from their corrupting influences.

      It’s all the more obvious that it is a religion when it comes into contact with science and scientific results and everyone can see that when science and religion clash, it’s religion that wins. It’s ideological beliefs that trumps scientific results and any scientist that dares to point out the logical flaws in the faith will be hounded out of science (see James Watson), no matter what obvious scientific achievements they have performed prior.
      While “scientists” of the right faith and belief-system, no matter how fraudulent, will be the heroes for the results that they produce, without care for how they got these results (see Stephen Jay Gould).

      So the big question is, how do you topple a religion that has entire governments in it’s grasp.
      A religion that controls most of the universities in the western world and who dictates what scientific research may and may not be done, based solely on what results such research will bring.

      • David Ashton

        A most perceptive analysis.
        We need to look at how other “religions” were broken down (e.g. communism).

      • DCRealist

        Bravo. Well said.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        Yes it is a monolith but it is also a house of cards. It will topple.

    • BillMillerTime

      “like if a particular gene marker common in blacks and no one else”

      Be careful not to echo the fallacious arguments falsely attributed to race realists. To the best of my knowledge, no definition of “race” proffered by race realists has depended upon a particular gene marker unique to blacks. To the best of my knowledge (someone correct me here I am wrong), there is no specific gene unique to blacks.

      Whenever I encounter a liberal who wants to tell me that “race is merely a social construct,” I point out that they are engaging in what philosophers call “the word argument.” (Tip of the hat to Michael Levine, “Why race Matters”.) For centuries there raged a debate among scientists as to whether light is a wave or a particle. Turns out that it is both, depending on how it is measured. Maybe “race” is like that; it’s both a “social construct” and a valid taxonomic classification. In the end it does not matter; seeing “race” as a “social construct” does not sweep away the data on average group differences, nor does it undercut the argument that genes affect who we are between the ears.

  • Tarczan

    I wished Amren would have given us more notice. I detect an agenda there. It’s tomorrow! I will make the conference, but at great personal expense.

    • Looks like you can probably catch it on youtube after the fact….

      Here is sort of a preview youtube (watch?v=IQPD1A4qzXU#t=2533). There is going to be a quiz afterwards on it so pay attention, heh.

      Honestly it’s hard to tell what the hell they are trying to say as there is so much obscurantism and half-baked streams of consciousness that I am at a real loss to even understand their various points. It is hard to tell whether they are willfully trying to engage in sophistry or if they really do not know the difference….

  • Garrett Brown

    Ill take regression for a thousand Alex. Also, shout out to tufuku!

  • scutum

    Social Sciences is an oxymoron!

  • bear grylls

    BTW I have just been informed that when you register as a patient in a hospital.Under race Hispanic is no longer an option.The Hispanics are very upset about being classified as OTHER.Thanks to medical technology medical treatments are often based on the RACE of the patient.

    • DudeWheresMyCountry?

      That is so they register as White to skew the numbers. The government doesn’t want you to know how much Mexicans abuse and burden the system.

      • bear grylls

        You make a good point. But I see the words african and non-african all the time at work. i wonder what a registrar would do if a say a Domincan who is obviously a very dark Mulatto claimed he was white.

  • DiversityIsDeath

    Look at that photo. A panel of third rate black “scientists” with axes to grind does not exactly inspire confidence. I see they included two jewish men to give the panel credibility, heh. What matters is they all have the same social agenda. You already know what they are going to say.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Understanding it? Or allowing what we already know to be spoken?

  • Fathercoughlin