Boehner: GOP Immigration Plan Isn’t ‘Amnesty’

Benjy Sarlin, MSNBC, February 4, 2014

House Speaker John Boehner is defending new Republican immigration principles from critics on the right who complain it rewards illegal immigration and plays into President Obama’s hands.

On Tuesday, Boehner’s office released a Q&A explaining why the speaker had decided to pursue immigration reform and how it would address major concerns within his party.

“The focus of this Congress should be on creating jobs and growing our economy,” the document reads. “Reforms to our immigration system will accomplish those goals and address a serious national security issue.”

The immigration principles, released at the House GOP’s retreat in Maryland last week, call for a revamped legal immigration system for both high skilled and temporary workers, new border security and enforcement measures, and–most controversially–a program to legalize qualifying undocumented immigrants.

The most common issue House Republicans have raised with passing reform this year is that they fear Obama will bank the legalization part and then unilaterally refuse to enforce the security measures attached to it. {snip}

But while some Republicans argue that their distrust of Obama is reason to punt on reform for now, even if they agree with it on the policy merits, Boehner affirms their premise to make the opposite case. Immigration reform is worth passing, he argues, because Republicans need a new law that constrains Obama more explicitly.

“Unfortunately, the Senate bill would allow this and future administrations to circumvent the Congress and decide unilaterally how to enforce our immigration laws,” the Q&A reads. “As part of its step-by-step approach, the House would eliminate the ability for any administration to arbitrarily decide which laws to enforce.”

{snip}

Boehner also takes on the argument that legalization constitutes “amnesty” for immigration violators.

“Just the opposite is true,” the document reads. “Right now, there are few, if any, consequences for living here illegally. What we have now is amnesty.”

It goes on to argue that any legalization would be earned through admitting past wrongdoing, paying back taxes and fines, learn English and American civics, and having to support themselves without federal help. There would be no “special path to citizenship,” although the actual details on how citizenship would be handled under the Republican plan are still unclear.

{snip}

“None of this can happen before specific enforcement triggers on border security and other measures have been met,” the Q&A reads. “The Senate bill, on the other hand, starts registering illegal immigrants virtually immediately after passage, does not require them to admit they broke any laws, only prohibits access to public benefits during a probationary period.”

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  • Alexandra1973

    We’ve got people who have stopped looking for work because it’s just not available, and he wants to add more people?

    Black is white, up is down….

    • 48224

      Stupid is the new smart….seriously, it is.

    • foundingstockcracker

      Good becomes evil, evil becomes good.

      • Kind of like kosher pork, beef-eating vegetarians, and war-mongering pacifists.

    • John R

      Sadly, I think history will look at this as a thinly disguised capitulation to the pro-immigration lobby. But then again, maybe not. By then those will be the very people writing the history books. “History is written by the victors.”

      • DonReynolds

        Hopefully, the history books will list all the traitors alongside Benedict Arnold and the Rosenbergs, complete with pictures of them being executed by firing squad or being hanged. (Arnold escaped capture and lived the rest of his life in England.)

    • CompassionateConservative

      There is plenty of work available but Americans think they should get rich after a days worth of work. Paying a man more than $2.00 an hour to mow my lawn is highway robbery though.

      • DonReynolds

        You would benefit much more than two dollars an hour by mowing your own grass. Slavery was outlawed 150 years ago.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Update (2 day later, that is, Feb. 6; the above story is Feb. 4): Boehner in full retreat: Wall Street Journal:

    “Boehner Throws Cold Water on Immigration Overhaul This Year”

    Opening paragraphs:

    WASHINGTON—House Speaker John Boehner (R., Ohio) Thursday all but extinguished any expectations that the House would press forward on an immigration rewrite this year.

    Republicans’ mistrust of President Barack Obama and their skepticism that he enforces laws fairly is hindering them from tackling an overhaul, Mr. Boehner told reporters.

    “There’s widespread doubt about whether this administration can be trusted to enforce our laws,” he said. “It’s going to be difficult to move any immigration legislation until that changes.”

    Mr. Boehner’s comments will likely pour cold water on any hopes the House will take up immigration legislation this year, given that he is widely seen as the House leader most encouraging of the effort . . .

    • Marc Zuckurburg

      Condolences?

      Are you kidding?

      You mean you’re actually dumb enough to buy his/our scam and head fake?

      It’s like my ballet teacher once said about football strategy. When you’re close to the goal line but have trouble getting the ball any closer, the thing to do is to pretend to move the ball backward, so that the defense will soften up.

      For what I’m thinking, we’ll get the ball across the goal line through some middle of the night vote some time after election day in November and before Hanukkah.

      Take it from me, a multi-billionaire. There’s nothing more alive than something we want and are willing to shell out a lot of money to get that’s said to be dead.

      • Middle of the night vote on july 4th, maybe?

        • Marc Zuckurburg

          It has to be after election day. If we did it then, people would have four whole months to get angry.

      • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

        Marc,

        I admire your spunk almost as much as I admire your money. But you are destined to discover — at a tender age — that sometimes spunk and money are not enough.

        • Marc Zuckurburg

          Thank you so much.

          The money was all my doings, in spite of what that pack of lies movie tries to make you think. The spunk, well, that did not come naturally; It took a lot of sessions with Naomi Wolf for her to teach me how to have spunk.

    • Dave4088

      And condolences to Sheldon Adelson, the ADL and SPLC.

      • bilderbuster

        Never count those parasites out.
        They control the media, have unlimited financial reserves & can incite riots over anything at the drop of a hat.

  • Manaphy

    I hate how Republicans always come up with a plan to give citizenship, benefits, and welfare to illegal Mexicans, yet they have the gall to say that this isn’t amnesty.

    • CompassionateConservative

      Even speaking as a conservative who is opposed to welfare I don’t think it’s a big deal to give welfare benefits to the undocumented. America is a very rich nation and Americans are becoming increasingly wealthy. Take a look at how well the average American is doing by looking at Wall St. They can afford welfare. It’s well worth it to have all these hard working natural Republicans here with us. Just tighten your belt and join us. You don’t need another Corvette and you can wait another year before buying a new boat.

      • Marc Zuckurburg

        Let’s face it. Middle class greed hurts a billionaire in need.

        • JohnEngelman

          I laughed out loud when I read that. It belongs on a bumper sticker.

      • Epiminondas

        You remind me of Hubert Humphrey. When asked back in the sixties how we were going to pay for all the new welfare programs, Humphrey replied, “We’re a wealthy country. We can afford it.” He was right. Up to a point. As long as the Federal Reserve continues to finance deficit spending by simply printing dollars backed by “nothing”, we can afford it. Until we can’t.

        • Marc Zuckurburg

          And that will continue for a long time.

          I give Obama access to my Facebook data so he can build his Obama Forever Democrats Forever political campaign database, and he pays me back with quantitative easing, to drive all stocks including FB up up and away.

          Pretty neat, huh?

    • NeanderthalDNA

      It is stupidity and treachery incarnate. If they stood their ground, marshaled their forces…

      Let Obongo do as he pleases…

      Let the executive orders stay…

      And when elected hire some American citizens to HUNT THEM ALL DOWN AND SEND THEM PACKING.

      They just don’t have the cojones nor the will to oppose Zuckerburg and company.

    • george00

      As usual, it appears that the people at Amren are forgetting that it is the Democrat party that is driving the issue of amnesty.

      • bilderbuster

        They would be doing it all by their creepy selves if the RINO’s weren’t carrying their water for them.

      • A point not to be taken lightly. That other party is virtually 100% thrown into open borders and race replacement. For all our obnoxious Senate RINOs, the following voted for the Gang Bangers of Eight:

        Alexander (TN)
        Ayotte (NH)
        Chiesa (NJ) (no longer in the Senate)
        Collins (ME)
        Corker (TN)
        Flake (AZ)
        Hatch (UT)
        Graham (SC)
        Heller (NV)
        Hoeven (ND)
        Kirk (IL)
        McCain (AZ)
        Murkowski (AK)
        Rubio (FL)

        This still leaves 34 Republicans that voted against it. Zero Democrats voted against it.

        Over on the House side, depends on which articles you believe, anywhere between two-thirds and four-fifths of House Republicans are No Way Jose on anything that smells like amnesty. Meanwhile, if it ever came to a vote, the number of House Democrats that would vote against would only be in the single digits.

        The point of our frustration with the RINOs and the Stupid Party is that if they were as against it at the same almost monolithic universal proportion that Democrats are for it, it wouldn’t even be discussed for it would have no chance.

    • mobilebay

      They’ve learned well from the Democrats who have it down pat.

  • Puggg

    When they say it’s not about the money, it’s about the money.

    When they say it’s not alien amnesty, it’s alien amnesty.

    • Alexandra1973

      They point left, you go right.

  • This reminds me of when Bill Richardson said:

    “Amnesty? No, not amnesty. Green cards and citizenship, but NO amnesty!”

    BFD

  • D.B. Cooper

    You know, I am sick of posting this picture, but you all need to be reminded of who needs to be sent packing.

    • Never trust a man who wears that much mascara.

      • Epiminondas

        Or whose daughter is married to a black guy.

      • DonReynolds

        His mommy said it looks cute…… and it goes over big at the bathhouse.

      • BonV.Vant

        nor that much base and lipstick

    • Marc Zuckurburg

      Hey, that’s my pal. Don’t say bad things about my pal.

      After all, it’s in the cards that a politician whose daughter marries a worthless Jamaican and a tech billionaire who hires that worthless Jamaican as a favor to the politician to get my comprehensive immigration reform done should be good friends.

      Though I should say between his worthless son-in-law and John McCain’s worthless daughter, I’m getting tired of important people begging me to hire their worthless relatives. “Hey Marc, hire my worthless son. Hey Marc, hire my worthless daughter. Hey Marc, hire my worthless wife. Hey Marc, hire my worthless mother. Hey Marc, hire my worthless paramour so she won’t blab to my wife. Hey Marc, hire this worthless whore I took to bed so she doesn’t go to the cops and tell ’em I touched her while she was still jail bait. Hey Marc, hire my worthless domestic partner so he can afford the sex change operation she wants.” It’s getting old and expensive.

      After all, I’m not used to actually paying people to do actual productive work for me. Hence, comprehensive immigration reform.

    • JohnEngelman

      That look in his eyes is creepy.

    • Pro_Whitey

      So true. I can buy the line that the GOP has to tread lightly to try to get control of the Senate, but they ought to retain a majority in the House without much problem (unless they try to enact amnesty). Somebody should give Boner a primary run, or vote for his opponent in November.

  • Luca

    Seems to me that when the boat is taking on water and sinking, we should focus on plugging the holes first then we can discuss how much water to keep and how much to bail once the crisis is under control.

    We should have instituted a program of plugging holes and bailing on Sept. 12th, 2001.

  • sbuffalonative

    It’s all for show.

    Boehner gets to look tough, demanding concession.

    Obama negotiates said concession.

    Boehner agrees and the bills are passed.

    When it’s done, no enforcement.

  • Extropico

    The mass immigration, race-replacement agenda is a boon to foreigners. We need smarter and less seditious representatives on Capitol Hill.

  • IstvanIN

    At least Boehner doesn’t have to buy his black grandchildren like Mitt.

    Yes, that was a mean, off-topic comment, but I just can not think of anyway to express my absolute contempt for this man. He is beyond redemption.

    • bigone4u

      Contemplate that his daughter recently married a rasta man, a dreadlocked Jamaican drug dealer, in a huge expensive wedding. Rasta man will be coming over to Boner’s house for Sunday dinner every week. Pretty nice karma, I’d say.

    • RisingReich

      He doesn’t have them YET. He will, however. See bigone’s comment below.

  • Jimbo Jones

    This guy has got to go.

  • bigone4u

    From “You can keep your plan if you like it” to this monstrosity of a ruse, the lies just keep coming from Washington no matter the party. Until the Repugnant Party starts talking deportation for those who ILLEGALLY entered and cutting LEGAL immigration, they are just a bunch of stooges for the rich, a false opposition to the Democrats. I’m not buying it and neither are the white citizens whose ancestors built this country and will not roll over and see it stolen by filthy illegals.

    • BonV.Vant

      I truly believe that the republicans have set the stage for a massive change in the nature of this country, although NOT the one they envision. The selling out of the white american will cause a reaction. Certain groups, corporations being high on the list, as well as academia and media, will be seen as orchestrating all this. Don’t be surprised to see a populist movement arise that takes over the government and demands the seizure of all property and wealth by those who have been so treacherous. This seizure will be on the grounds that this is what has been used to try to do us in and we must disarm our enemies.

  • Dave4088

    Any half wit can see the so called “Republican version” will have the same damaging effects as mass amnesty just over a slightly longer period. And no matter what they claim, Obongo will simply ignore any and all enforcement provisions in the bill with impunity.

    But Boner will keep dissembling and playing word games to fool the low information types and gullible among us.

  • RisingReich

    Can we PLEASE, flush the toilet on this whiny, sniveling, traitorous turd?
    WORTHLESS.

  • dd121

    The Republicans, who are lighting up their cigars and sipping a glass of Cognac, think the next election is just another cycle, maybe won maybe lost. Business as usual. They don’t seem to notice their civilization is burning and that they are really in a life and death struggle with the communist usurpers. Oh, never mind.

  • Greg Thomas

    Anything short of deportation as the law mandates is amnesty. How is adding 30 million low educated illegal mexicans going to “create jobs and grow our economy?” it won’t of course, but it will create an abundance of cheap labor, which out of work Americans will have to compete with.

    The American people no longer have a government.

  • Spartacus

    You know my take on this….

    • Alexandra1973

      My home state of Michigan is one. That would be one reason to move back there.

      I noticed that just about all the original Confederacy is highlighted. Surprised I didn’t see Virginia.

      (West Virginia seceded from Virginia in 1863 during the WBTS and I understand that it wasn’t a popular move.)

      • Spartacus

        That particular picture is just about petitions to the White House. I know there are secessionists in all 50 states, could just be some of them didn’t think to make a petition there .

        • Irishgirl

          Oregon? Really?

      • Homo_Occidentalis

        Barack Obama carried Virginia in 2008 and again in 2012; the state has gone blue. No doubt all of the gubmint cheddar seeping through the pores from D.C. proved too enticing, and a healthy black underclass can’t have helped.

  • Mergatroyd

    On Tuesday, Boehner’s office released a Q&A explaining why the speaker had decided to pursue immigration reform

    Update, Feb. 6, 2014:

    “WITH ANGER BUILDING, BOEHNER PUTS THE BRAKES ON AMNESTY”

    In an abrupt switch from his months of work to bring immigration reform back from life support, Speaker John Boehner told reporters today that the issue cannot move forward until President Obama proves he can be a trustworthy partner to implement the law as written.

    http(COLON)//www(DOT)breitbart(DOT)com/Big-Government/2014/02/06/with-anger-brewing-boehner-puts-the-brakes-on-amnesty

  • CompassionateConservative

    John Boehner is a true conservative who is following in the footsteps of the greatest conservative ever to live, Ronald Reagan. Reagan knew that Mexicans are natural Republicans back in 1986 and the same still holds true today. Let’s stop being an impediment to progress and get behind Comprehensive Immigration Reform. I guarantee you will not regret it and you’ll be better conservatives for it. Hats off to you Mr. Boehner!

    • Roninf9

      LOL!

    • Extropico

      Right you are, my fellow neoconned comrade! The shiny favela shantytown on a hill is the ultimate goal for all us real Republicans who know race doesn’t matter and that only White nations should be subject to mass migration.

    • Marc Zuckurburg

      Let’s hope that’s enough to sucker them. Because I don’t want to have to play the Auschwitz card from the bottom of the deck. You only get to play it once.

  • HJ11

    It is amnesty and it cheapens our citizenship. Mexicans will be dual citizens and will be able to vote here and there as they wish and they’ll be able to jump across the border both ways to avoid problems in one or the other country.

    Boehner is a weak seed who is trying to sell out Whites.

  • gregCall

    “It goes on to argue that any legalization would be earned through
    admitting past wrongdoing, paying back taxes and fines, learn English
    and American civics, and having to support themselves without federal
    help”

    While it’s doubtful that “legalization would be earned through
    admitting past wrongdoing, paying back taxes and fines”, there is zero chance of them having to “learn English
    and American civics, and having to support themselves without federal
    help”.

    The first case challenging the latter requirements would have them ruled “unconstitutional” by the first judge to hear them, and if an appeals court made the unlikely decision to support those provisions, our new and diversified Supreme Court wild certainly take the liberal position.

    I guess I’m just old enough to remember how Reagan sold his amnesty, He amnestied several million mexicans in exchange for some pretty draconian penalties on businesses who hired illegals, of course after the amnesty every branch of government ignored the penalty provisions of the law. Just another bait and switch, just like Boners new amnesty plan, any requirements of the proposed law beyond amnesty will simply be ignored with the old excuse that all other requirements are racist or simply unfair to the poor, hard working, new voter stock.

  • CompassionateConservative

    Competition is good. I would like to pay even less than I pay the current crop of undocumented workers to mow my lawn and landscape my summer home, wouldn’t you? Conservatives always support competition. Ronald Reagan knew this in 1986 and even Ted Kennedy, who is obviously not a conservative because a conservative has an R next to his name, knew this much in 1965.

    • Marc Zuckurburg

      And liberals always support compassion and social justice. Nothing could be more compassionate and socially just than allowing the unfortunately undocumented to be able to come out of the shadows and compete for work with people who were lucky enough to have been born citizens therefore winning life’s lottery.

  • Neuday

    “It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged”.

  • Dave4088

    The Republicans are all about striking a compromise on anti-white/anti-American legislation. If Obama wanted to shoot one million white people per year to atone for historical wrongs, the Republicans would counter with 500K and death by lethal injection.

  • MBlanc46

    I might have some respect for the guy if he just came out and said, “This is what our corporate masters want and we’re giving it to them”. The rationalization just makes him look a fool as well as a knave.

  • DonReynolds

    Someone tell Boehner that creating jobs for foreign citizens at the expense of our own people is NOT a good thing. Want proof? Look in the want ads and look for those who openly advertise that applicants must speak Spanish….full knowing that very few Americans speak Spanish, but nearly ALL of the immigrants do (legal and illegal). How many Americans have lost their job, even after long periods of working for the same firm, simply because the company shifted their hiring practices to Spanish-speaking immigrants? Answer: too many. I lived in Austin, Texas for ten years and had difficulty finding a grocery where the cashier could speak English. Does that create jobs for Americans. Hell no.

  • Epiminondas

    Boehner is in the pocket of the Chamber of Commerce. And he’s on his way out. If there was ever a symbol of the corruption in the Republican party, he’s it.

  • JohnEngelman

    The immigration principles, released at the House GOP’s retreat in Maryland last week, call for a revamped legal immigration system for both high skilled and temporary workers.

    – Benjy Sarlin, MSNBC, February 4, 2014

    In the United States college students are encouraged to major in science, technology, engineering and/or mathematics (STEM). The immigration of high skilled workers is turning STEM graduates into gypsies who chase around the United States taking contract positions lasting three months to a year. These may pay as little as $25 an hour. They provide no benefits. They are highly specialized. Each time one of these contract positions ends the STEM worker may never find a STEM job again.

    • John Smith

      And they wonder why men aren’t going to college anymore. We’re not going into debt to end up competing against an H1-B who’ll work for just a green card.

    • CompassionateConservative

      You say all that like it’s a problem. Lower wages are just an added benefit of the richness of diversity that all true conservatives support. We might live in lily white gated communities but we still put diversity first.

  • LHathaway

    At the rate things are going, it’s only a matter of time before they start saying, “Killing whites will create jobs”. I bet they start with the racists.

    • CompassionateConservative

      We compassionate conservatives will not lift a finger to stop it either so when the killing starts please don’t fill up our staffers in boxes or faxes with your pleas. We have more pressing concerns though like Iran’s nuclear program. That’s what you should really be worried about.

      • BobWhitakerisokay

        Compassionate conservative is a code word for anti-White neocon.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    I guess his staff didn’t like my comment. I kept it civil enough, but I called out Sheldon Adelson and the cheap labor lobby.

    • Talltrees

      I was pleased to see so many angry conservatives. Could care less if his staff likes it or not. Your comment was mild compared to mine and many others.

      Most of us start out being civil and respectful, but, with their continuing disrespect towards us, the normal reaction is to become more blunt, to the point, and very angry. It’s difficult being respectful when they treat us as they do.

  • indict boner for treason….try and convict him …and then, oh, then….

  • John Smith

    And Boehner isn’t a republican.

  • JohnEngelman

    More immigrants mean lower wages for American citizens. It should not be necessary to keep repeating something so obvious. Unfortunately, it is.

    • Bossman

      Yeah, but it also keeps inflation low which is always the main threat to the U.S Dollar. There are both good things and bad things flowing from increased immigration.

      • JohnEngelman

        More immigrants mean more consumers. This has an inflationary effect on prices.

        • BonV.Vant

          your math is faulty, more consumers but they all get paid lower wages so there is no net increase. More people with less money to spend.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        It keeps inflation low? You’re economically illiterate. At any rate, the Engelman is right. Mass third world immigration causes nothing but problems for ordinary Americans.

        • Bossman

          Wage inflation is the chief cause of overall inflation.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            No, it isn’t. The growth of the money supply determines the rate of inflation.

  • BonV.Vant

    killing us softly with their song, killing us softly with their song killing us softly, with their song

  • TXCriollo

    I had a feeling this would happen the gop and the demorats were putting on a show

  • BonV.Vant

    I guess it will no longer pay to be one of the pack. Those who stand out as individuals will have something unique to offer.

  • emiledurk16

    prescient

  • bilderbuster

    Not to mention raping, murdering & breeding us out of existence very quickly.

  • Erasmus

    Boehner: GOP Immigration Plan ISN’T ‘Amnesty.’

    And yet there are people in this country who still haven’t figured out why most Americans mistrust their nation’s “leaders.”

  • Conrad

    We went through this once before under the Reagan. it’s just ANOTHER lie.
    ………….
    The Immigration Reform and Control Act (IRCA), Pub.L. 99–603, 100 Stat. 3445, enacted November 6, 1986, also Simpson-Mazzoli Act, is an Act of Congress which reformed United States immigration law. It was an attempt to solve the immigration problem during 1986.

    In brief, the act:

    required employers to attest to their employees’ immigration status;

    made it illegal to knowingly hire or recruit unauthorized immigrants;

    legalized certain seasonal agricultural illegal immigrants, and;

    legalized illegal immigrants who entered the United States before January 1, 1982 and had resided there continuously with the penalty of a fine, back taxes due, and admission of guilt; candidates were required to prove that they were not guilty of crimes, that they were in the country before January 1, 1982, and that they possessed minimal knowledge about U.S. history, government, and the English language.

    About three million undocumented immigrants were granted legal status through this act.

  • Only a few people here seem to ride that “let’s all vote for Democrats because the RINOs are killing us” hobby horse. You’re better off not voting all if you think that way. A suggestion that more and more people are taking up.

    The best idea is to vote or not vote selectively for or against the individual.