Amid Debate on Migrants, Norway Party Comes to Fore

Steven Erlanger, New York Times, January 24, 2014

Lise and Kjetil Ulvestrand came to this town south of Oslo in 2005 for the space, the views, the forest and the cheaper rents. Ms. Ulvestrand, a former development worker in Latin America and a social worker with Norway’s immigrants, says she is comfortable around foreigners and different cultures.

But as the number of immigrants, including Muslims, gradually increased in Mortensrud, she began to worry about her children and their education.

“I loved the forest and had friends, but ethnic Norwegians were moving out, so my children were losing friends,” she said. “After a while we discovered that when kids were 5 or 6, everyone moved out. We wanted a stable environment, and we had some questions about the social challenges at the school,” where the number of people who are not ethnic Norwegians was growing rapidly.

So the Ulvestrands decided last summer to move back into comfortable west Oslo, where she grew up. “I felt a bit guilty about moving, having worked in Latin America with minorities and defending their rights,” she said. “It wasn’t just ethnic Norwegians, it was anyone with resources moved out.”

Their concerns about immigration and perceptions that Islam is challenging prevailing national values are widely shared, both among some Norwegians, like the Ulvestrands, on the left of the political spectrum, and among many on the right, who in September put the Conservative Party into office after eight years of government by Labor Party-led leftist coalitions.

In a nation that has long prided itself on its liberal sensibilities, the intensifying debate about immigration and its effects on national identity and the country’s social welfare system has been jarring—and has been focused on the anti-immigration Progress Party, which is part of the new Conservative-led government.

The Progress Party came under intense scrutiny in 2011, when a former member, a Norwegian named Anders Behring Breivik, bombed government buildings in Oslo, killing eight people. He then killed 69 more people, mostly teenagers, in a mass shooting at a Labor Party summer camp on the island of Utoya. {snip}

Still, the performance of the Progress Party in the first general elections since the Utoya massacre and its success in winning a place in government have raised some eyebrows; quite unfairly, Ketil Solvik-Olsen, minister of transportation and communication and a deputy leader of the party, said in an interview.

Mr. Solvik-Olsen recently discussed politics and faith at the Norwegian Lutheran church in Mortensrud. A tall, cheery man of 41, educated in Ohio and once employed by Disney, Mr. Solvik-Olsen scoffed at the notion that the party had anything to do with Mr. Breivik. “He left because his ideas were not getting support,” he said. “We are strict on immigration, but this is not a war on cultures. Our idea is to protect our welfare system.”

Asked about national values, Mr. Solvik-Olsen instead spoke of the kind of discomfort that the Ulvestrands felt here. “Some people feel they’re waking up one morning and their old neighborhood is gone,” he said. “Strangers move in and people don’t even understand what they’re saying; we have a generous welfare system, and you feel a stranger in your own neighborhood.”

Mr. Solvik-Olsen was the chairman of the Oslo section of the Progress Party when Mr. Breivik was a member, but he said he did not remember him. After the killings and a disastrous showing in local elections in 2011, the party, always populist, moved to gain more respectability, tamping down more extreme voices. In September, the party won 16.3 percent of the vote—down from the 22.9 percent it won in 2009, but enough to form a coalition with the Conservative Party led by Prime Minister Erna Solberg.

The Progress Party is now considered mainstream, and its level of support has required “more moderate rhetoric” than that from more extreme parties like the smaller Swedish Democrats, said Thomas Hylland Eriksen, a social anthropologist at the University of Oslo. {snip}

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Public discussion of Islam is less about “their beliefs or their color; it’s more about lack of education and need for training,” Ms. Solberg said in an interview. Given Norway’s generous asylum policies and social welfare system, the new government wants to reduce abuse and ensure, she said, that “you always earn more money by working than by not working—it’s a bigger social issue here than immigration.”

According to the Norwegian Language Council, the most popular new word of 2012 was “naving”—to live off welfare rather than to work. Used by young people, it stems from NAV, the Norwegian Labor and Welfare Administration, which administers about one-third of the national budget.

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Mr. Hylland Eriksen says the massacre committed by Mr. Breivik has regrettably had little lasting impact on Norway’s politics. “Immediately after the terrorist attack, some of us were hoping that it would serve as a loud and clear reminder of the need to accept that we live in a culturally diverse society, since the attack was motivated by a wish to cleanse Norway of alien cultural elements,” he said. “Instead, the political dimensions of the attack have been consistently dodged.”

It is almost more difficult now “to criticize Islamophobic and xenophobic attitudes, since those defending such positions may retort that it is unbecoming to associate them with Breivik,” he said.

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  • Oil Can Harry

    The good news: you can win elections in Europe by campaigning against mass Third World immigration.

    The bad news: this also means more phonies like neocon Nick Sarkozy posing as nationalists.

    • john ellis

      Agreed. The Neo Cons in the USA do this all the time. Talk radio and National Review got taken over by those of the tribe pretending to speak for us, once in power they brutally purged anybody that actually did speak, work for us.

    • Cobbett

      The only time Sarkozy talked about limiting immigration was during the Presidential election which he deservedly lost. I doubt too many French trust a word he says. Maybe LePen can do it.

    • negrolocaust

      Darion Marcus Aguilar KiLLS 2 WHITES AT MD MALL..!!!!

  • Spartacus

    “Immediately after the terrorist attack, some of us were hoping that it
    would serve as a loud and clear reminder of the need to accept that we
    live in a culturally diverse society, since the attack was motivated by a
    wish to cleanse Norway of alien cultural elements,”

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    Breivik meant it to serve as a warning sign, that there’s people who will fight for their nations, and against the disease that is eating our race alive. You’ve obviously learned nothing, and you will pay the price for that.

    • Svigor

      Diversity created Brevik. Without it, he would never have done what he did.

    • The Final Solution

      Breivik was another loser who instead of attacking the enemy managed only to kill his own people, the finest stock in the world. He could have taken out a mosque or some African refugees but went the coward’s way out shooting at unarmed whites.

      • Spartacus

        They deserved to die. They were marxists whose purpose was to bring more darkies in Norway. They had Eva Helgetun’s blood on their hands, as well as that of many other Norwegians.

        All the people who died that day were people who deserved it .

        • NeanderthalDNA

          ABB will be recognized as a lion-hearted hero and saint one day.

          Hail ABB!

      • NeanderthalDNA

        Bull. He got a few and those of “his own” were precisely the scabrous traitors and spawn of such that are selling Norway down the sewer.

        But for the self hating “white” liblefty traitors no muzzie nor bantu infestation.

        “White” traitors deserve the worst reckoning.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Free ABB and let him move in.

  • Svigor

    Stupid Norwegians…

  • The Final Solution

    What’s a Norwegian doing working for Latin American rights? Liberals are just stupid beyond stupid.

    • GeneticsareDestiny

      I’ve met white American girls who dream of working in Africa or Latin America “helping the people” or some fool thing. It’s their pathological altruism at work. Sometimes it affects the males too, but less often.

      • Massif1

        How many blacks in America dream about working in Africa for NGO? None.

        • benvad

          “CRICKETS” sound effects.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        It’s because they’re such good Christians and the easiest way to prove their Christian virtue is to do this… plus they get a vacation in an “exotic” location at the same time.

        • kjh64

          Yeah, the vacation thing plays a big part. These people feel and look important going to Africa or somewhere to help the world. It’s partly for the vacation.

        • gemjunior

          Nothing to do with religion imo, these same jackasses will tell you they are “no religion” or they “don’t in organized religion”. They need a slap on each cheek they turn. I am Christian but I would never turn the other cheek, and I might be in some trouble during judgement day but I feel sure that this was mistakenly interpreted or something. Jesus wouldn’t say anything so ridiculous….;)

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Maybe you ought to read the actual words ascribed to Jesus and spoken as commands to followers before you assume or make these declarations. Also, read some actual history. I think many Europeans, especially Protestants, and especially American Protestants are more influenced by earlier more militant religious forms and just apply Christianity as a
            veneer. That was certainly true of my Norman ancestors and recent Viking lines and people like Charles Martel. That American “Christian” attitude goes back to Cromwell and the Thirty Years War, but most Americans can’t recall anything before 1776 and even then, poorly.

            But for most Christians, the equivalent of turning the cheek and loving your enemies is expressed daily in government policies and social interactions. Just because you’re a Christian mistake doesn’t change that. Christianity at its root betrays whites and is the worst problem for whites today. Your post rather proves it.

    • Anna Tree

      Yes! Ms. Ulvestrand supports diversity until it is in her own neighborhood,
      then she moves out, because she has the means, living behind the whites
      who don’t. This is exactly all the liberal leftists in a nutshell… But thanks to them, soon there won’t be anywhere to flee!

    • john ellis

      Liberalism and sadly Libertarianism is in the DNA of so many Whites, mostly Nordic Whites, Slavs, South European Meds don’t seem to have this genetic flaw.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        From what I saw being there for a few years, South Meds are so genetically Moorish now that the issue hardly matters. Marseille for example, is so crime ridden now that no one dare go there as a tourist. South Europe is conquered territory, pretty much.

      • Ella

        Scandinavians have not been enslaved throughout history and actually did some of their own enslaving of other tribes; whereas, the French, Spaniards, Slav and Gauls have had a history of being enslaved by Romans or even Muslims. It’s ignorance, not genes.

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          Scandinavians were taken in slave raids at times in history, by Moors on raids to places as far north as Iceland. If you read up on the history of slavery, you’ll find that everyone has been enslaves one time or another, if not on the “Biblical” extent. But that is a fabricated myth anyway.

          • Ella

            I know about a few isolated raids as far as Iceland, but more raids happened along coastal regions like Britain, France, and Spain. These countries with higher populations were closer to Northern Africa and raided much more often. I’m speaking more of entire populations or tribes due to invasions by Romans or Muslims.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            That’s true, but it doesn’t mean that they didn’t happen and the people were not afraid. Italy was so often raided that people stopped living on the coasts. A famous Viking raid inland in Spain succeeded at first, but was thrown back, etc.

  • bigone4u

    Public discussion of Islam is less about “their beliefs or their color; it’s more about lack of education and need for training,”
    ___________________________________
    Idiots. You vikings should be talking about their beliefs and their color. Their color will pollute your gene pool, while their beliefs will see you beheaded. Wake up, dummies.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Trolls and orcs.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        The Urik-Hai were the result of mixing men with orcs, if I recall rightly.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          My take was that “Easterlings” represented a Mongol-like group, “Southrons” Arabs, and Orcs were Bantus. Peter Jackson avoided this by making orcs come out of pods rather than being birthed, but this was not how I remember it in the books.

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            Orcs were corrupted copies of Elves, if I remember correctly. Just like Bantu are corrupted copies of humans, somehow. Yet, because they were created from humans, they can mate with us. Yech!

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Yes, Sauron, when he was a physical being during the First Age (in Tolkien’s created world) corrupted some group of elves and they became the orcs.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Tolkien did not give physical descriptions of either Southrons or Easterlings, except to say that they were “cruel.” He did write that the Urik Hai was the result of Sauraman blending wild men and orcs. Looking for stererotypes to plug into Tolkien’s work is a bad idea on several levels. First, it creates a false identity that allows for modern critics to condemn his writing (that’s been done) and second, it creates an untrue association between LOTR and anything having to do with today’s issues. Lastly, Tolkien’s purpose in writing LOTR was to inspire the then new generation of British kids with what he considered the most historically relevant values that happen to be represented (remarkably without any religious content) by the High Middle Ages. He was very surprised the Americans were interested in it at all. (According to “Inventing the Middle Ages,” Norman Cantor).

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Sure, but…

            1. I don’t care what anti-White critical theory racists say about anything, any more than I need to understand the argument to oppose it.

            2. Art is half what the artist intended and half what the experiencer takes away from it.

            3. I can call them “orcs” til the cows come home but if I try to leetspeak anything remotely resembling THE N WORD I’ll get deleeted.

            ORCS.

            Southrons, Easterlings, Men of Rhun….sure, many different interpretations.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            It’s always good to know your enemies thinking. Being informed completely is always better than making assumptions based on aging impressions. You just sound a bit bratty here. That speaks more about your maturity than your commitment.

            I don’t agree with your second point. You either get it or you don’t and going away with half formed impressions only means that you didn’t really read it or inserted your own self where you lacked the discipline or even respect of the artist in appreciating the art as created, especially a literary work. It says something about reading comprehension. Also, slurring meanings is an intellectually lazy replacement for disciplined, organized argument. I rarely use any derogatory word for non-whites. I am more for whites than I am against non-whites. The effect of positive over negative energy is well understood in both personal health and political effectiveness.

            You’re obviously a guy that will do something if told not to, perhaps since you were four years old. I think that my point that invoking Tolkien’s characters in depicting modern non-white groups creates an opportunity for them to categorize Tolkien’s work as “racist.” And that was done by critics when the films came out. (Previously, feminists had attacked LOTR for being too macho, etc., but Peter Jackson fixed that by having Arwen put a silly looking Samurai sword to Aragorn’s neck in their first scene together (awful junk). Since Tolkien’s work is really a kind of retelling, invigoring of Northern European’s best and oldest cultural aspect, I would prefer to not see anyone that claims to be a white advocate use its terminology for use in making cheap, derogatory nouns for non-whites. If you had some vision, you’d see my point and stick to nouns like “muds,” “bantu’s, “goids” etc.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            ” You just sound a bit bratty here. That speaks more about your maturity than your commitment.”

            ” If you had some vision, you’d see my point and stick to nouns like “muds,” “bantu’s, “goids” etc.”

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            “I do what I want!” That’s what you come across like. Nothing to do with opinions. There’s opions and opinions. Some are qualified and some are not. It’s a Marxist habit to equate things by putting the same name on them. Whites do this often, not realizing that they are using a Frankfurt School ploy for their own argument style.

            The fact is that the Tolkien family as led by Christopher Tolkien hated the production of LOTR. I have objections to some of it, but not enough to discredit them overall three films. The Hobbit films seem to be more about Jackson reaping some monetary gains than rendering Tolkien’s work.

            If you’re self admitting that you’re not a literary critic, why do you claim that you could offer up some serious literally criticisms, given any time or at any time? You seem to be too much of a reactionary, shoot-from-the-hip critic than anyone that can be taken seriously.

            I repeat, whites should care at least not to fall into the trap of creating fodder of our best cultural expressions (and LOTR is the greatest of the 20th century) through careless labeling and affiliations as you were doing.

            A writer is not so much an artist as a story teller and story telling when on the scale and purpose of Tolkien’s shouldn’t be taken or manipulated so thoughtlessly. But if you can read, then words say what they say and it is up to the reader to understand them and perhaps the cultural meanings they pertain to, rather than give them their own, made up contemporary ones, as with computer game mentalities.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I have not pretended to be a literary critic. I said so in no uncertain terms.

            One need not be a literary critic to have an opinion on literature and express it.

            Honestly it’s not that important to me. I loved the books as a kid, less so as I got older (yes, reread them several times), greatly respect JRR’s knowledge and craftsmanship…

            But honestly as an adult I find the black-and-white approach to morality a tad wearisome and child-like in the big picture, and they do drag a little, hammer some points home overly relentlessly, fail utterly to convey complex moral/emotional situations in my non-literary-critic opinion.

            I actually really like a fellow named Gene Wolfe better than JRR. Lord knows speculative fiction is loaded down with the rankest of garbage-ola, but there are a few authors that really strike a chord in me. The Book of the New Sun, by GW, is an amazing work, I think, and has passed re-readings well.

            Agreed to disagree. I just remember as a 12 year old attending a school that consisted of around 85% housing project Uruk Bantus and reading Tolkien and thinking of them as resembling very closely the “orcs” as described by Mr. Tolkien. It’s an impression that has never quite left me.

            In that the linguistic roots of the word seem to have something to do with “corrupted man”, I don’t see a problem.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Sorry, but in your second point you said that you could offer up some serious criticisms. That implies that you consider yourself scholarly or somehow qualified to do so. Then, in your final point you said that you weren’t one. You either think you are or you aren’t, but still pretend to be.

            You’re obviously younger, so you miss that Tolkien began this late 20th century fantasy writing craze. Everyone, even Star Wars, is a emulation of Tolkien. And there’s a lot more to Tolkien’s writing than the classic good/evil confrontation. I read it first as a 17year old in High School, and nothing but it existed then. The junk that followed in its train was sometimes good I guess, but ultimately a sort of rip off or embellishment of established ideas. As a child reader you focused on the fantasy aspect and missed the important cultural and linguistic work involved. It may be that you are beyond influence because younger people now receive Tolkien through a sort of retrograde process that causes authenticity to be rendered trivial or missed altogether.

            I do agree that there is an age experiential limit to Tolkien initiation, and it may be that it is not not nearly as affecting as before because the present youth culture is far more cynical and even negative, nasty, arrogant, etc., than we were in the 60s. But I read and studied Tolkien so much in my early 20s that it was a major influence in my life and for much good. The end effect of it on me was to prompt me to read the actual myths and literature Tolkien had relied upon for his story. After doing that for a while, I realized that the real bottom of that was actual, deep European history. And so since 1975, I have not read any fiction and especially no fantasy literature. I have a large library and it is full of history books and some classics of literature. I actually view indulging in fantasy reading a waste of time now, but I would want my children to read and understand LOTR anyway as a modern cultural document.

            Your making of associations as a 12 year old plays into the hands of our enemies but even if you did that then, I still think that you could perhaps show a little more care and sophistication than a 12 year old. I think that’s too young for LOTR anyway. The Hobbit, sure LOTR, no. No wonder you didn’t get so much from it.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            This is reminding me of that Monte Python skit where the guys pays John Clease for an argument for argument’s sake. It quickly devolves into counter abnegation, then they start arguing about what an argument is.

            Newsflash – none of it’s real regardless. Fantasy.

            Star Wars blew me away when it first came out. Must have gone to the movies and seen it like twelve times. You know, pre VCR days.
            Eventually I came to see it as childish if fun. Certainly nothing worth arguing over, lol.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I guess this is as good a defense as any for denying the substance of a point that you can’t bring yourself to admit. I was a Monty Python fan myself, but I wouldn’t use their silly skits as a way to escape from admitting someone has a point. You can’t admit a good point when it’s been made because you can’t face your own deficiencies. The real issue here is that you can’t learn because you’re vainglorious.

            Again, Tolkien used fantasy writing to inspire the younger generation of Brits in his time with their own culture via a retelling of their real legends and through a reflection of their earliest and what he considered their most morally relevant values. He was puzzled that Americans were interested at all. He worried that it would be consumed without substance by readers that weren’t grounded in British, Nordic culture. You’re proof of that worry as valid. This is also why Christopher Tolkien and the Tolkien family has come out against the film franchise.

            That Star Wars blew you away and can be compared to LOTR (except for that it borrowed the trilogy idea and a story that claims to be truthful, but from a “place and time long ago”) illustrates my point that you are basically a superficial consumer, with a need to be entertained rather than one more capable of recognizing the cultural value of one thing as opposed to the cheap, commercialism of another. Star Wars was not even good science fiction, just science fantasy created for mass consumption. LOTR was finished in 1956 and became “beloved” over a twenty year period mostly through college age young adults reading it. After Saul Zaentz bought the film rights, it quickly became cheapened through a series of lousy cartoon versions. (I actually knew his wife as she and one of her children were my patients at one time). I’d say that the film of it was more of a tribute (to established fans) than anything else. When the first comments were being made online, it was easy to tell the people who had read the books (and grasped them) and the ones who hadn’t.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I’m talking but yer not listening, it seems. I loved the Star Wars stuff when I first saw them AS A KID.

            The older I got the less they appealed to me. Honestly the only one worth watching is the original that came out in what? 75, 76?

            I didn’t even care for the cartoony CGI’d re-engineered stuff for that matter.

            Leave me alone if you’re not even going to read my responses, skippy.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Hmmm, I read your responses alright. It seems your the one missing mine, but then your reading comprehension is partly in question. I already addressed that. You read LOTR too young. I will allow that this is partially due to the media and commercialism ruining the thing. Star Wars was a rip-off of LOTR done for commercial gain. Because of your too young exposure to LOTR and/your tendency to slur all this stuff together, you miss out on the deeper and vital cultural value of LOTR. I didn’t blame you for it, I blamed it on commercialism. Recall that I said that by the time you would have got to it, this had happened. I have suggested that you bend your static categorizing style enough to see this point. That’s all.

            I’d just advise you to do less free associating and name calling when you post (skippy). It only makes you look feeble. Free-associating is from drug culture, which whether you took part in that or not, has made free-association and its value to the Frankfurt School style of Critical Theory a fixture in American and even Western contemporary understanding. But it ultimately both restricts real thought and works toward the domination of thought by that particular thought virus which makes other control easier.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Do you have Asperger’s syndrome?

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            No, and as a doctor, I know what it is and its prodrome. But it seems you have an ego and communications problem to add to your reading comprehension problems.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I wasn’t going to respond to you anymore but you’re a DOCTOR?
            I’m Batman!

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I am retired after nearly 30 years practice in the U.S and Europe. I do with my time what I want. Your intellectual limits are made obvious by you.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            I’m VERY glad you are retired. I’m still fighting crime and chillin in the batcave.
            I’m sure you must have had excellent bedside manner, sir.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        You really know how to get a guy where he lives!

    • john ellis

      These are liberals, Leftists justifying their concerns with mass non White Muslim immigration. Don’t expect Liberal Left Whites to speak in Right wing, openly racist terms.

      This is Geert Wilders, Pym Fortyn style talk, activism and it works, works for us.

      Don’t Write off the Liberals

      We can find a political program that can and will work for virtually very type of White person.

    • Ella

      Well, some of these Vikings made it to the USA and British Isles and got out of Norway. Maybe, the most aggressive explorer types did make the journey long ago away from home for adventure and a better life.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        I think you ought to read up on it a bit. They not only “made it” to Iceland, but their descendants are living there today in modern Iceland. The ones that made it to the North American coast were Norwegian Vikings that had first settled Iceland and even Greenland (where they survived for several hundred years). The Danes invaded Britain, Ireland and France. The Normans were the Danes known as the “Spear Danes” and are my direct ancestors.

        All of them had land limit problems due to a warm period that allowed their populations to flourish, so they needed new lands to settle in. Viking raids were actually a very small part of that history. But they certainly had a courageous and adventurous streak. Most of the early North American explorers and settlers were of Norman background. (“The Norman People in North America” is a record of this and a well known genealogical source book).

        • Ella

          Well, we might be related then through distant ancestors, lol. I rarely meet people with Norman heritage, or they are unaware of it. Curiously, did any of your relatives come from Norman France or just Denmark? Our relatives were earlier explorers and settlers of New England as you mentioned. Thanks for the book suggestion!

          I’ve seen some good Viking documentaries from History Channel years ago about Iceland and establishing trade routes in Russia. They have them posted on YouTube.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            I am descended from father to son directly to a man who is listed on the Falaise Roll as being with William the Conqueror at the Battle of Hastings. I am descended on the French side, but the line (eldest) that remained in England were made Earls in the 18th century and still are today. What I know about where the original Normans come from I get from history books. I do think that I found the reason for the creation of my surname, but I won’t reveal that or deeper revealing history on my line here. We are no doubt distantly related, if we go back far enough! (I was born with light hair and “the bluest eyes I’ve ever seen” (father’s words)).

            Normans that remained in England or elsewhere in the British Isles saw their names change a bit. Cartier for example becomes Carter, and so on. But when you recall how much French there is in modern English one is forced to realize the huge influence they had to have had in the culture. The general impression and claim has long been that Anglo-Saxon English were the plethora of early American settlers, but the actual fact is that most of them were actually of Norman descent. But by then, there was plenty of mixing as well, so there is no real reason to belabor the point, just to point out the interesting idea that the Norse were a very curious and driven people.

            My knowledge of pre-Christian folklore has long caused me to believe that the Norse had a living memory of Western lands across the sea from the prehistoric and perhaps even the Ice Age periods. They, and many Celts shared myths and legends about a land to the West. In Ireland, it was a land called “Tir Na Nog.” JRR Tolkien made use of this idea in his trilogy, LOTR wherein many references to the Undying Lands are made and figures large in the undertow of the story and of course, at its conclusion. Even the idea of a “promised land” although obviously lifted from the OT, has a great portion of the earlier idea that an ideal land was waiting off to the West. The Biblical addition added a contemporary permission and righteous air to European expansionism. Some say this was evil, but I say that it was inevitable that higher tech and civilized societies would spread into primitive ones.

            History Channel and Youtube is alright, but actually reading deep history from established and well researched references is better. I often groan at the History Channel. They often have a PC angle and also often leave out important intersecting history that makes a difference to real understanding.

  • NeanderthalDNA

    Amren, you’re just too nice sometimes, but God bless ya.

  • Spartacus

    ….

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      All Christianity is violent, one way or another, and has always been so historically.

      • Spartacus

        I agree. Which is why I don’t hate it…

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          I can always count on you for the most perverse replies of all. Christianity has killed far more whites, and white Europeans than any other religion so far and it is killing whites today through its place as a default supporter of world diversity. Conservative Christianity in the sense you claim and that some here identify with is a very small and completely un-Biblical minority with no historically supportable position.

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          That’s because you’re mistaken your more tribal, outlook for Christianity. Any reading of the NT condemns what Christianity has done for the last 2,000 years as far as its huge violent record goes. Christianity has killed more white people over the last 2,000 years than any other religious or even political fanatic. Read history.

          These keep getting deleting by the moderator who can’t abide such a truth to be spoken even though they quote Jefferson. Face it!

    • gemjunior

      C U Next Tuesday , janine

      • Katherine McChesney

        Hack actress.

  • IstvanIN

    Norway won’t be liberal if it turns brown. It won’t be wealthy. It won’t be peaceful. It won’t be civilized. It won’t be…Norway! If your immigrants don’t look like your Royal Family maybe they shouldn’t be there. In fact, maybe you don’t need immigrants at all!

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      You know what’s sad, so many Northern women now die their hair black. A Swedish princess married an American businessman last year. I recall the photos of her now and before. She was once a radiant, gorgeous blond. Her photo at the engagement was of her as a dark brown haired woman with that radiance gone.

  • MBlanc46

    It might well be that the political future in Europe belongs to anti-immigration social democrats.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    The Norwegian government imports large numbers of Muslims because they do such a good job of terrorizing and ethnically cleansing native whites. The Muslim is the ideal biological weapon in the Norwegian lib-left arsenal.

  • JohnEngelman

    Social democracy has only worked in countries where nearly everyone is white. Social Democrats need to learn that before it is too late.

    • Anna Tree

      Actually all the liberal philosophies work only in countries where nearly everyone is white.

      • JohnEngelman

        Many on the left blame western civilization for the evils of the world. Nevertheless, western civilization nurtured the left. The dichotomy between left and right began in France during the French revolution.

        Karl Marx did most of his research in the Reading Room of the British Museum. It was free. While he lived in London he was never harassed by the police. He would not have had access to his research material in most of the world. In much of the world he would have been arrested, and perhaps executed.

        In western democracies left wing activists are often ignored. They are rarely imprisoned like they often are in the third world countries they have illusions about.

        • Jotun Hunter

          just like you nurture the left engeljew – jist because ‘it happened’ doesnt mean it ‘was good’ or even inevitable – your weird consequentialism at work whereby you find a quote or fact online and you assume its free from bias therefore you should be a liberal. you make a warning statement about immigration in norway yet you love diversity and have.many heartwarming stories about frequenting local vietnamese restaurants and other mindless tat

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          He wasn’t the only one, however. In my view, it was the oppression of the Industrial Revolution in Europe that prompted the creation of Marxism – and the idea of labor rights. It was a terribly bleak situation before then. The lesson is that there are good ideas in most everything, but any powerful idea or movement creates power vacuums and the most aggressive, ruthless people are always the ones that rush in to fill the void and everyone suffers as a result.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        It actually IS national socialism in function. As it ought to be.

  • Pro_Whitey

    I think multiculturalist cultural marxism is extremist, and so is xenophobophobia (the irrational fear of having a healthy distrust of foreigners). Can we make that illegal? Also, has anyone tallied up how many the muslims have killed in Norway so far vs. Breivik?

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      Let’s make the real comparison; How many Muslims have raped in Norway compared to Brevik (or any other ethnic Norwegian)?

  • NeanderthalDNA

    That might actually result in the darkies going apes__t for a while…further reinforcing sane White Norwegians’ increasingly realistic appraisal of them…
    Same result though. Good start regardless.

  • bubo

    Unless the people of Scandinavia are prepared to physically remove the outsiders then it’s already too late. Same goes for Europe.

  • Massif1

    The liberal phenomenon of promoting diversity and at the same time living in predominantly white communities. Europeans have allowed leftist political groups to flood nations with Islam and African voodoo for decades. Borders should of been put on lock when European financial crisis began and 3rd world immigrants still demanding handouts and more religious freedoms (sharia law) should of been deported.

  • Robert Haschberg

    No, it does not work that way. The EU gypsies in Sweden do not recieve welfare benefits and live in campers or sheds without heating or water, but they still come, because they can make much more money begging/stealing/hustling here than back in Romania. Romania is a wealthy country compared to the average 3rd world shithole, so your proposal is invalid.

  • Whilst it is welcome that there are signs of an awakening to what is coming, it is saddening to see that it is liberals who only seem to rejecting it because Islam is a threat to their brand of liberalism which got their nation into such a state in the first place.

    It is also a shame that political parties are still watering down their positions in order to try and become “more mainstream” – and thus ultimately become part of the very same ‘establishment’ in the process. It is a slippery slope. So, I gather that this party is the equivalent of UKIP and that somewhere, a more forthright nationalist party is being put into the shade?

    To speak of the ‘welfare state’, or ‘housing’ or ‘economics’ or ‘protecting tolerance’ is a false argument.

    They are useful arguments and can be coded messages to “dog whistle” the voters without nailing colours to a mast, but what happens if the ‘welfare state’ manages to be saved, if housing no longer becomes an issue, where the economy is doing fairly well or at least not getting worse….. what arguments are such parties (and people) left with then?

    Bloomin’ typical how the lovers of diversity are quick to move out when they find themselves in a minority and worry for their own children’s future.

  • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

    To think that in 1972 I was refused a work visa because I was not a citizen, even though my grandmother arranged for me to go there and work at her brother’s printing shop in Skein. No visa because they said: Norwegian citizens had first call on any employment there. I didn’t expect to bum off my relatives, but rather work for my keep. So I never made it to Norway.

    • LovelyNordicHeidi

      “Norwegian citizens had first call on any employment there.”

      Hypocrites. They could’ve used more Whites.

      • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

        To be fair, in 1972 they hadn’t yet discovered their North Sea Oil deposits and were chronically suffering high unemployment. The wealth they have come to enjoy comes from this oil wealth. It made them stupid.

        Similarly, when Ireland was dirt poor, no immigrants wanted to go there. When they began to do well, the liberals took over and they began to import. Everyone knows the side story that when the recent recession hit them, the government told the ethnic Irish to emigrate, not he recently arrived non-whites.

        I was in Ireland in 1988 for several months. I recall then how the fledgling Feminist movement there was screaming at the government, telling them loudly and bluntly that it’s time to let the women run things since the men had always done nothing to improve the lot of the people. Imagine that! They got their woman president and the rest is history.

        • IstvanIN

          The Irish President, in all fairness, is a powerless figurehead.

        • kjh64

          Well, women certainly can’t do any worse than the men have. Look at the mess that the much of the West is in and its’ been run mostly by men.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Hmmmm, just look at the West and even business ethics since the 1970s when women began to get more control. The specific point stands; Ireland went straight downhill once women “got their chance.” I think you are running on old stereotypes and are not keeping up with the actual recent history of the West when women have had so much influence.

  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    “I felt a bit guilty about moving, having worked in Latin America with minorities and defending their rights [….] It wasn’t just ethnic Norwegians, it was anyone with resources moved out.”

    This sounds like White flight to me. This person can say many nice words about guilt and so on, but how guilty did this person really feel? It is politically correct to say that one feels guilt, but when one says that one feels guilt for racial matters, one means that one feels fear for being politically incorrect.

    “We are strict on immigration, but this is not a war on cultures. Our idea is to protect our welfare system.”

    No, no, it’s not about defending the ethnic Norwegians, but about protecting the welfare system! These people are just pathetic.

    “we have a generous welfare system, and you feel a stranger in your own neighborhood.”

    LOL. What has generous welfare to do with White displacement? As if we should really care more about generous welfare than White displacement. The unpleasant fact of White displacement only seems to be a sidenote in this story.

    “Given Norway’s generous asylum policies and social welfare system, the new government wants to reduce abuse and ensure,”

    It’s sad that those Norwegians do not realise that when the day comes that Whites need asylum, there will be no countries left that can offer them asylum. It’s only a one-way system: non-Whites get in for asylum and when those non-Whites bring their 3rd-world problems to the 1st world, well, Whitey won’t get his asylum anywhere. When Whites are brainwashed in their future once White countries to hand over the power to non-Whites like in South Africa, Whites will have just as much fun as the White South-Africans… “What could possibly go wrong”, they’d think… Naive.

    “some of us were hoping that it would serve as a loud and clear reminder of the need to accept that we live in a culturally diverse society, since the attack was motivated by a wish to cleanse Norway of alien cultural elements”

    Nice try. People will still have that wish, and if that wish is not granted, hell will follow. It’s sad that White interests are being suppressed and Whites are being oppressed. I wonder what will happen, but Whites will feel the need to become increasingly unfriendly towards non-Whites due to the fact that non-Whites are often/always hostile to Whites, incompatible with Whites and are allowed to fight for their interests while Whites are not allowed to do the same. Non-White intolerance is just as much a problem as White tolerance.

  • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

    Many I have known seem to have this crazy idea that because they are righteous, nothing bad can happen to them. That is why the females go to dangerous places and act like they are saints protected by angels, there to bless the muds and give boon. (I am aware of the rhyming word there).

    • Max

      It is as if these libs keep trying to reinforce to themselves that their world view of mud people is correct by placing themselves in dangerous company. They usually don’t want to live with them, but they will schmooze with them, make busywork jobs for them, have sex with them, visit hazardous areas to reassure themselves that these people are “just like us”

      -until they are killed, and then it is too late.

      If others are injured or killed, the solution is more gun restrictions, educational programs, giveaways or some other misdirected effort. Unfortunately, the only thing that seems to cure egalitarians of their idiocy takes their life.

  • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

    When you’re voiding your bowels in a bucket and emptying it out the back door of your hut, you’ll be third world. Or when you go to the dump to search for food. Let’s not exaggerate, let’s prevent.

  • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

    Norwegians and Swedes (and others) value their socialist states more than their lives. This has been made plain many times. But perhaps when the knife is literally at their throats they will wake up. It seems that now a few are at least.

  • Ella

    “But as the number of immigrants, including Muslims, gradually increased in Mortensrud, she began to worry about her children and their education.” And much of Central America is not dangerous like Honduras or Nicaragua, especially with a White family? Did Ulvestrand spend all her time in an isolated jungle or beach resort away from the drug cartel and corruption? Now, she feels uncomfortable with Muslims at her back door? Well, over half Americans feel real uncomfortable with Mexican cartels, illegal or mass immigration, criminals and deranged intruders in this country. These libtards………..they have to be using mood altering drugs.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    No majority white country needs immigrants, especially third world immigrants. Objectively speaking, third world immigrants are vicious parasites and fiendish cowards. They are parasites because they steal jobs and economic opportunities from natives, without providing jobs and economic opportunities in return; they are cowards because they run from their countries instead of staying behind and trying to make them better places to live.

    Third world immigration is immoral because it steals a nation’s best and brightest, exacerbating poverty and allowing much needed infrastructure to fall into disrepair in the immigrant-sending nation. This leads to a vicious circle of worsening internal conditions and endless, massive third world immigration to western countries.

    If the globalist multicultural elites truly cared about the global poor, they would encourage them to stay in their own countries and help them there. However, because almost every western democracy has been hijacked by a hostile globalist elite determined to wipe out western civilization, mass third immigration remains the weapon of choice for those engaged in the ethnic cleansing and dispossession of whites in their own countries.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      In addition to what you correctly observed, many third world immigrants come here with the goal of rape, murder and pillage. They go after our women to impregnate them and create more enemy aliens in our midst. They attack our men and boys in an effort to intimidate us, and to take over. Make no mistake, some of these hostile aliens have made that brutally clear in their own words. The multi-cultural death cult is just that, a death worshipping cult that is trying to foment genocide on a global scale, and not just against whites. They hate whites, they hate western civilization, indeed they hate civilization itself let alone human life that does not serve their agenda for world domination.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Too late to do that without violence, violence will be required in all white nations to save ourselves from slavery, or extinction. That violence must be directed at those individuals, groups and even nations who are behind this, and anyone who knows the score is well aware who they are.

  • kjh64

    Well, Norway is very small so the number of non-Whites in Norway is large for a small country like Norway and its’ effects are felt much more quickly. They don’t have too many places to flee from it, same for other European nations. Also, their migrants are Muslims which are much more troublesome than Mexicans.

  • Ella

    It’s like a sad literature novel filled with failed utopianism and dreams. Some people who are weak refuse to live in reality.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      I’d say all, and this is the currency of Christianity.

  • NoMosqueHere

    This is what 50 years of white self hating masochism has produced.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Muslims are taking over the world. It’s also in Biblical prophesy. Revelation 9.

  • Cobbett

    ‘People feel swamped by immigration’…And the support for the National Front evaporated. Can’t trust any of them.