Asia’s Ideal Beauty: Looking Caucasian

Anthony Youn, CNN, June 25, 2013

“Dr. Youn, my daughter is so ugly.”

A Korean mother in her 50s sits before me in the exam room, her teenage daughter next to her.

“You need to fix her ugly nose, open up her eyes and give her a double fold of her eyelids,” the woman says.

“Okay,” I look at her daughter. “Jane, what do you think? Is this something you want?”

Jane stares at the floor, unmoving. Then she speaks, eyes still looking downward.

“I guess. Whatever my mom says.”

Plastic surgery is hot in Asia. One in five South Korean women from 19 to 49 have undergone cosmetic surgery, according to a 2009 survey from market-research firm Trend Monitor. That’s reportedly compared to about one in 20 in the United States.

Although the United States and Brazil are the top two countries in sheer number of plastic surgeries performed, China and Japan are numbers three and four, according to the International Society for Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons. South Korea, with a population of almost 49 million, is ranked seventh.

Asian culture has embraced cosmetic surgery. Unlike in the United States, it’s no longer considered taboo to admit to having been nipped and tucked, even among celebrities. Miss South Korea 2012 confessed to having gone under the knife, revealing, “I never said I was born beautiful.”

Interestingly, I find that the older generation often pushes younger people to have work done. I’ve met several Korean parents in their 50s and older like Jane’s mom who have no qualms about encouraging their children to undergo plastic surgery. {snip}

The majority of facial cosmetic operations performed on Asians are considered “Westernizing” procedures. Two of the most popular, nose jobs (rhinoplasty) and eyelid lifts (blepharoplasty), are specially designed to make these features look more Caucasian.

Asians generally have wider and flatter noses. Asian rhinoplasty narrows the nose and makes it project more, similar to a European look. Asian blepharoplasty creates an extra fold in the upper eyelid. While present in nearly all Caucasians, this extra fold occurs naturally in only 15% of East Asians.

While Asian plastic surgeons claim that these procedures are meant to retain their patients’ ethnicities and make them generally more attractive, I don’t buy it. To put it bluntly: Facial plastic surgery on Asians is about making a person look as Caucasian as possible.

And that’s a disturbing thought.

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  • Spartacus

    An advice to asian women – forget about your nose and eyes, and get some fake boobs. No matter how pretty your nose looks, you’re not gonna look good if you have the body of a 12-year old boy. Just saying…

    • The__Bobster

      I happen to like small natural breasts. However, I don’t like eyes that can be blindfolded with a piece of dental floss.

      • borogirl54

        I agree with you about the fake boobs since they are small framed anyway for anything larger than a B cup.

      • WhiteGuyInJapan

        “Fake boobs on an Asian women look really strange.”

        Fake (large) breasts look weird on a thin-framed woman. East Asians lean toward ectomorphy, so a buxom Asian gal looks like those naughty Japanese animations (with all the infantile Freudian implications).

    • saxonsun

      Then you should get a fake d**k.

  • Erasmus

    Do people ever have plastic surgery to make themselves look more African?

    • pcmustgo

      Well. white women sometimes get lip injections and butt implants (brazilian butt lift), so in that department, perhaps…

      • pcmustgo

        I happen to have very full lips for a white person and a curvy derriere.

        • pcmustgo

          Whites also get hair removal… asians and blacks (somewhat) also have naturally hairless skin.

          • borogirl54

            The only Asians who have lots of body hair are Okinawans.

        • borogirl54

          I do not have the full lips but since I am part Portuguese, I inherited my grandmother’s pear shaped body with a smaller top and big hips. I often wished that I had inherited my Asian mother’s families petite figure.

          • Sqeptique

            Just goes to show what one person likes another may not. Small top and wide hips is exactly what I like in a (white) woman.

          • mobilebay

            Then you probably love the Kardashians, especially Kim. I’ve often thought she needs a sign on her behind that reads “Wide Load.” Of course, her top is ample too.

          • Camielle Belle Poole

            Is KK actually white? Isn’t she half Armenian? Are they white now?

      • Eddie Lutz

        I doubt they want THOSE butts or THOSE lips.

    • The__Bobster

      I recall a few crazy Japanese girls doing that very thing.

    • IstvanIN

      Good one, cracked me up.

    • Xerxes22

      Even American Blacks wouldn’t do that.

  • I work at an airport, and we see beauties from across the globe. My coworkers and I play the guessing game whenever we see a really too pretty to be true Asian girl waiting to be picked up. I tell my coworker, “I’ll bet either that girl’s father, or her boyfriend is white”. I’m correct at least 90% of the time.

    Since Singapore Airlines doesn’t have to practice our laws on equal opportunity, the company has the luxury of hiring the best of the best (looking, that is). hence the 12 stewardesses walking together in a group is usually a welcome sight. Our airlines, on the other hand, don’t look like cheerleaders. Too many of them have to have an ambulance taking them to the hospital because they are out of shape, and constantly flying with high blood pressure.

    The typical Singapore Airlines stewardess really does look like this:

    • pcmustgo

      Almost all American airline flight attendants are hot too.

    • borogirl54

      I remember the Singapore girl ads back in the 1980’s for Singapore Airlines.

    • TheSpeakerOfTruth

      The most attractive East Asian women do not associate with whites, period, much less date them. That woman is not ugly by any means but she is not top-notch. Far from it.

      • Eddie Lutz

        I’ve never banged an ugly East Asian girl. Every single one was much prettier than your mother.

    • saxonsun

      Terrible! To be forced to give less–than–good-looking people work! Especially if they’re women. After all, we must always cater to this silly/sick male attitude about female looks rather than allow everyone a way to eat.

  • David Ashton

    How disappointing for Mr Engelman.

    • The__Bobster

      Why? He’ll take all the castoffs.

    • JohnEngelman

      Yes indeed.

      I first learned that Orientals girls existed when I was about seven years old. I thought, “Some white girls are pretty. Some are not. All Oriental girls are pretty.”

      • Jerrybear

        That’s in the eye of the beholder. Some Asian girls can be cute but for the most part they’re plain looking in my opinion. Nothing beats a pretty white girl.

        • Bossman

          Do you ever watch the Miss Universe contest? Hispanic girls completely dominates that contest.

          • anew

            Usually white, but of course that’s really not the place to look for elegant woman of any race.

          • borogirl54

            Most of the Hispanic women that win Miss Universe are not the ugly brown people that have invaded our country. The majority of them look white, even Miss Mexico looks white.

      • Spartacus

        “All Oriental girls are pretty.”

        Wow ! I was 12 when I finally realized they’re not all the exact same one !

      • Anonymous White

        Fetish much?

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        You have said that many times and I must say, you are a creepy man.

      • Eddie Lutz

        Totally not true, but I like the sentiment.

      • David Ashton

        So you have said verbatim many times, except that I think you have now lowered the age by one year.

        • JohnEngelman

          It happened so long ago I am not sure. Nevertheless, a large number of white men share my opinion of Oriental women.

          • ms_anthro

            A large number of large White [sic] women share a fetish for mating with black African thugs. That doesn’t mean the African thugs are attractive. It means there is something wrong with the women.

      • OK, I’ll see your bet and admit that one of my ex-father’s friends was Vietnamese, and his wife was French in 1971. I was five, she was five, and I thought she was marvellous. My high school girlfriend was a tall Dutch/Celtic blonde.

  • pcmustgo

    The non-white cultures are more superficial than us…

    • anew

      If not the most superficial, S. Korea is certainly one of the more shallow nations of the world. The Japanese may be a nation of goofballs, but at least they recognize it for what it is, and lately, they have made some decent attempts at earnestness. Not so with S. Korea; next to them, America looks like Athens.

      Regarding this particular K-happening, I’m a little conflicted. In general, I oppose plastic surgery as a denial of the self. And what is the goal of life if not the perpetuation of the self, thus the basis for procreation and for ethno-nationalism too. If the people must embrace it however, some kinds are less bad than others. To my white eyes, I think the relative strengths of the races from a physical aesthetic perspective is sexiness in blacks, beauty in whites, and cuteness in E. Asians, and each seems to put more relative value on their relative strength than others do, which I think is a good thing.

      While it’s true that they are sort of trying to look more white, they’re not trying to look like Greek statues, their new faces are more like adult cabbage-patch kids or animae characters, that is to say, they’re trying to look cute. I don’t hold cuteness in very high regard, but then, I’m not an Asian.

      • TheSpeakerOfTruth

        So many words for such little insight.

        • anew

          Yes I know, three whole paragraphs, quite excessive. Of course, there must be at least a happy medium between my and your output.

          For instance, your response might have actually made an attempt to refute me. Instead, you offer only generic snark, and I, left wondering why and where you think I went wrong, am left to assume the worst of your comprehension skills.

  • I read about this a year ago then I talked to a couple Korean girls about this and they told me more Korean girls are having procedures to get the Korean eyes.

    • IstvanIN

      Why would a Korean girl need to get Korean eyes.

      • Snow

        ….

  • Jefferson

    I am shocked that the percentage of East Asians who do not have chink shaped eyes is as high as 15 percent.

    • borogirl54

      Well some of them are probably mixed bloods such as the Okinawans who are mixed with Japanese, Chinese and Russian ancestry.

    • Sick of it

      There’s quite a long, all-encompassing history of race mixing in the East. Some of the tribes that settled in China were certainly Caucasian.

    • Guest

      Asian Eyes
      by Christina Valhouli at Salon

      For Soo-Young Chin, an assistant professor of anthropology at the University of Southern
      California, having the eyelid surgery done at birth, as some parents choose to do to their children, is no different than circumcision or a clitorectomy. “When I was studying in Korea, I saw a lot of women with double lids. I asked one woman why, and she said it was because her whole generation was born that way. Obviously her mother had had it done to her at birth, and never told her. Well, she’ll figure it out when she has kids of her own.”

      http://www.salon.com/2000/02/16/asian_eyes/

  • APaige

    Well Koreans get surgery to look white so they can buy hair from Indians to sell to blacks.

    • borogirl54

      This is one area that I thought that blacks would be involved in the sale of human hair since they are the largest consumers of it.

      • brengunn

        It says something about the blacks that they are virtually the whole market/consumers for fake hair and weaves yet other ethnicities control the business almost totally. Asians hire black girls to work front of house and speak to the customers but all the money is made by the Koreans/Indians and above them are the white multi-national beauty care companies. In that Chris Rock Documentary ‘Good Hair’ there was only one black owned and run medium sized hair care business, and the stalls of the weave demo’s were almost all Koreans. That is a sad indictment on the nature of black people.

        • borogirl54

          You are right it is. There used to be more black owned companies that provided black hair care products but when the big beauty companies saw the profit in black hair care and cosmetics, they bought out the smaller black owned companies.

    • TheSpeakerOfTruth

      Whites calling people cheaters … just hilarious.

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    Every race thinks whites are the most attractive.

    • TheSpeakerOfTruth

      Not really.

      • GeneticsareDestiny

        Which race doesn’t? I can’t think of any. Non-white men prize having white wives, and non-white women try everything they can to look as white as possible.

        • Jefferson

          Asian men with White wives is not as common as White men with Asian wives.

          • GeneticsareDestiny

            No, it is not, but I suspect that is largely because few white women are interested in dating Asian men. However, the reverse may also be true, with Asian men being less interested in white women than men of other races.

            I would be interested to find out if Asian men prefer Asian women who have had plastic surgery to look more white over more natural-looking Asian women. They probably do, or Asian women would not get these surgeries so commonly. So perhaps they like Asian women who look as white as possible without actually being white.

      • DudeWheresMyCountry?

        Let us know if you ever come up with an actual truth to speak of.

    • BonusGift

      Normally with humans it is difficult to generalize in sweeping ways, yet there seem to be at least two statements that generally hold in somewhat sweeping ways:
      (1) Within races (and even sub-groups) the lighter the smarter (i.e., there is a very strong negative relationship between IQ (i.e., using IQ as a rough proxy) and skin color).
      (2) The notion of an ideal beauty (and that is even with 24/7 anti-European propaganda against it) is white.
      Of course you have your fetishists, but both statements certainly seem to hold true.

  • The__Bobster

    Dr. Youn, my daughter is so ugly.”

    “You need to fix her ugly nose, open up her eyes and give her a double fold of her eyelids,” the woman says.
    ________

    Engelman will take her, as-is, sight unseen.

  • The__Bobster

    Japan has a huge percentage of women who have had their eyes done. A smaller percentage has had both the eye and nose surgeries.

    Some nights I watch a Japanese news program. It’s really weird looking at a bunch of women with different degrees of surgeries.

    • borogirl54

      When I grew up in Hawaii, girls who did not have the double fold, used to use scotch tape on their eyelids. Girls of our generation did not have access to plastic surgery.

  • brengunn

    “Dr. Youn, my daughter is so ugly.”

    The more I hear about Asian mothers the more I’m glad to be white. They sound fu*king awful.

    • Sick of it

      I’ve heard they’re absolute tyrants as mothers-in-law.

  • Antipodean WN

    The fact that Asians so want to be white poses a genetic danger to whites. Particularly given their huge numbers, and also the asiaphile among some white men, which is not insignificant. Asian women are desperate to hook up with a white man and have half-white children —-then they can have those round eyes and high-bridged noses for free.

    • TheSpeakerOfTruth

      You’re right, what’s especially dangerous is that only the ugly low status ones aspire to marry whites. Thanks for cleaning out our gene pool, but don’t expect a tip.

      • Anonymous White

        You clean out our gene pool or dorks, thank you very much. 🙂

      • Eddie Lutz

        You must be a Chinese male.

    • Scott H

      If genetic engineering advances to the point that people can choose the race of their children (if not their own) this won’t be a threat to whites. In fact–the number of whites would increase dramatically!

    • Snow

      Well, I agree, ugly Asian women appear to love white men

    • Chris Granzow XI

      Most of the white guys that go with Asian women (at least from my observations) are either a) Jewish, b) soft-girly types, lazy and undesirable, or c) In their late-60s and have been divorced 3 times already. It’s not as prevalent as people try to paint it. Most of the real white men still go for white women.

  • 1proactive2

    I’ve always thought Asian women to be very attractive. Japanese, Korean, or Chinese, it didn’t matter. Most I’ve met were knock-outs.

    • David Ashton

      We see in Britain quite a number of middle-aged men with Filipino or Chinese partners who are really quite ugly-looking, probably internet brides.

      • 1proactive2

        Internet brides. Yikes. Talk about rolling the dice.

  • Snow

    So…. Korean girls are trying to look like white girls and Japanese girls are trying to look like black girls?

  • Eddie Lutz

    The rest of you can’t get past the flattery I guess. As for me, I don’t like it when races are embarrassed of their own kind. Unless they’re black.

    • I agree. It is extremely unhealthy for an entire society to be so insecure that it denies itself its own identity. We as racial identifiers understand the benefit to societies when a population has enough respect and pride for its race/culture that it wishes to preserve and protect its special identity, adding to diversity on a global scale. We just don’t want all that diversity inside of each and every nation.

      And, yes, considering the sheer amount of destruction and implosions of society that black people have managed to bring about, they are excluded from my spiel.

      • Magician

        Yes, black women, Asian women and white women must all realize that they are beautiful just the way they are.

    • Camielle Belle Poole

      I think whatever race you are you need to take pride and support your own. That’s where I stand. I don’t see anything inherently wrong with White Pride. By all means be proud of whatever you are. My PROBLEM comes with hatred floating in any direction. Would I trade being black for anything? No. I love who I am in its entirety and had I been born white, latina, or asian I would be a different person because I would view and experience the world differently.

      I completely get people wanting to preserve their own culture. And they should. Black people just need to work on IMPROVING first.

  • reveal1914

    White people have incredibility beautiful racial traits, and that’s why other races try to mimic them.

  • Magician

    Hey Koreans, you boys and girls are doing quite well in this world, considering the only time an article about you appears on AmRen is when you get a plastic surgery.

  • SF Seal

    And that’s supposed to compare to plastic surgery ?

    Tanning has already gone out of fashion in the Western world for over a decade now, so it’s time to start updating your long list of clichés.

  • Anonymous

    You are mistaken. The most common form of interracial marriage is WM/HF. And NOBODY ever talks about that. I am sick of all the people talking about BM/WF and WM/AF. Why don’t the White Nationalists try to ban the most common form of interracial marriage?

    • Chris Granzow XI

      HF=Hispanic Female?

  • WhiteGuyInJapan

    Kanazawa Satoshi’s study on attractiveness indicated that British university students (races unspecified) found Asian women to be, on average, more attractive than other groups.
    In the US, white man/Asian woman is the most common pattern of inter-racial marriage.
    Asian fetish porn sites are more common than Black/Hispanic porn sites.
    Some evidence of Engelman’s argument.

    • ms_anthro

      With a username like that, it’s hardly a surprise you agree with our resident sino-fetishist.

      • WhiteGuyInJapan

        Personal choices aside, I am stating facts.

  • WhiteGuyInJapan

    True, big eyes and paler skin is considered attractive the world over. And these features may relate to associations with higher socio-economic status (paler skin) and sexual attractiveness (big eyes in women are more youthful, even baby-like), not necessarily a desire to mimic White people.

  • ms_anthro

    A healthy (i.e. light to moderate) tan feels wonderful and makes a White person’s complexion glow and their lighter eyes and red lips stand out. In our modern society, it’s also a sign that the person has the leisure time to be outside enjoying the weather instead of cooped up in an air-conditioned workplace all the time.

    It has absolutely nothing to do with wanting to emulate non-Whites, despite multicultist protestations to the contrary.

  • Bardon Kaldian

    White is the golden standard of beauty, both female & male.

    • Antipodean WN

      Frankly while that may be the case now, I really don’t care.

      You see I want white people to find white people attractive and marry white people and have white babies.

      I do not get any great ego boost from non-whites thinking we are the most beautiful. If black men thought white women were ugly I would welcome that, and if Asian women saw white men as hairy and disgusting that would be fantastic.

      White features were meant to attract whites, yellow features to attract yellows.

      That in fact was the way it was until the era of Western mass media spreading itself all over the globe and brainwashing people everywhere.

      In fact Chinese use to consider whites as downright ugly, big noses, and hairy. Even their paintings show their heros and gods with slit eyes and faces that are decidedly non-European.

      But in the modern world of mass media things have changed. And you know who is responsible for that. Its a group of people who want the rest of the world to merge as a souless grazing mass of cash cows to benefit the few.

      It is in fact sad what this is doing to people everywhere, obviously we white suffer, but from the article other peoples are also having their racial and national soul eroded.

      Everyone here should know who is responsible.

  • WhiteGuyInJapan

    Sorry, my mistake. Thanks for pointing that out.

  • There were plenty of those on CAAC back in the day. I reckon this dates me.

  • Snow

    Now you are exaggerating. That is like saying if you go to a certain part of a city most white women are in the arms of black men

  • Chris Granzow XI

    ?? Larger breasts are actually a common defining feature of European women (along with ashkenazi women) and full lips are a standard facial feature for men and women in most scandinavian countries. Also, tanning has nothing to do with not wanting to look white. Being white doesn’t mean being pale, it means being native European. Look at albino Africans. They are “white” but do they look European?

  • Chris Granzow XI

    Well, look at them without make-up:
    -chinasmack. com/ 2010/ pictures/ chinese-girls-with-without-their-makeup.html
    -blog.ningin. com/ 2010/ 05/ 27/ the-power-of-make-up-is-scary/
    Compared to this:
    -cosmopolitan. com/ celebrity/ exclusive/ celebs-without-makeup#slide-1

  • Guest

    Plastic Surgery Seoul Korea, Apgujeong-dong: Why Women MUST Get Surgery in Gangnam

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C746VSnX4Qs

    KoreanCrashCourse:

    0:12
    “93% of all women have had plastic surgery done, here in Seoul, Korea.”

    0:33
    “You’ll see in these ads, how extreme the makeovers are. They’ll actually physically go through, and chisel away, recarve, their facial structures, their skeleton, their bone. To change their jawlines, to change their forehead lines.”