Marion Deschamps, TeleSur, January 17, 2017
Ahead of President-elect Donald Trump’s inauguration, teleSUR asked three questions to three hard-line conservatives who fully — or partially — support his program.
Jared Taylor is a white supremacist who runs the self-termed “race-realist” magazine American Renaissance. He declared he was “pleased” with the election of Donald Trump — yet was “looking forward to persuading him to keep his promises.”
William Johnson, chairman of the American Freedom Party, self-describes as “a white nationalist,” although his party has members of other racial groups who support nationalism. “I guess I am part of the alt-right umbrella of organizations, although too old for this kind of designation because the al-right are mostly younger kids tied to the internet.”
He is in favor of “a separate white ethno-state in the United States, otherwise “the white race and Western civilization will die out.” He continued, “The white countries are really the only countries that can’t have their own nations, if you go to China you’ve only got Chinese, etc. I do have a stronger kinship with activists who really oppose me because at least they want change, they want their own agenda, rather that the middle of the road Americans that just sit back and take what comes. In America, I think we’re gonna see a balkanization, a divvying up of the land and to have different enclaves, peoples, occupying different areas, otherwise the white race will just continue to wane and die outnumbered.”
Mark Weber runs the Institute for Historical Review, which the Southern Poverty Law Center describes as “a pseudo-academic organization that claims to seek ‘truth and accuracy in history’ but whose real purpose is to promote Holocaust denial and defend Nazism.”
What would be the first measures you’d hope Trump would implement in his first 100 days in office, and how confident are you that he will fulfill the promises he made during his electoral campaign?
JT: First, the building of a wall, or any means possible to prevent any further illegal immigration into the United States, and the deportation of all illegal immigrants who are already here. He seems to be already wavering on some of these measures, as most presidents as soon as they are elected, but I hope to pressure him to keep his word.
For instance, he seemed to step back about children brought illegally, saying their parents may not be deported after all. Also, he does not seem as enthusiastic about the wall as he was in the campaign. He would have an enormous amount of opposition domestically if he were to deport the children of illegal immigrants. People usually argue that they have no experience in the Central American countries, where their parents are from. But of course, if they learned in the United States how to adapt, it should not be anything difficult for them to adapt in their origin country.
He also promised to prevent immigration from Muslim countries, and already seems to waver on that … although he will be much more careful than Hillary Clinton would have been.
WJ: First, Trump is anti-establishment, whether it is a republican or democratic establishment, or against the education system. As a businessman, he has one foot in the establishment and one foot in the radical sector, but still, he is going to make great changes. Second, he is opposed to political correctness and can say things that usually offend people. Third, he is a nationalist and anti-globalist — yet not a white nationalist — but an economic and American nationalist, and that seems to be going in the right direction.
Will Trump fulfill his promises? Loads of people will protest his unpopular measures, which is an excellent thing, and the American government is so difficult to manage as a whole … But I think he will make much less than people on the left fear, and much less than people on the right hope.
I wish he could come out and promote racial awareness for white people, but he won’t do that. I also want him to build the wall, cut out immigration — hopefully all immigration — and stop this anchor baby citizenship of illegal immigrants so that we can return to a white country.
MW: Although Trump has pledged to conduct an “America First” foreign policy, he has also promised to tie the United States even more closely to Israel. And along with other prominent politicians, Trump has made very clear, time and again, his submissive devotion to the formidable power of the so-called “Jewish lobby.” His shameless pandering to that lobby, with expressions of boundless “love” for the Jewish state, suggest that he will do nothing to curtail Jewish-Zionist power and its grip on the mass media and U.S. foreign policy.
Trump can conduct a foreign policy that will be, as he puts it, “100 percent” for Israel or he can try to conduct what he promises will be an “America First” foreign policy. But he cannot do both.
What will change for your movement with the election of Donald Trump? Are you hoping for more visibility, more empowerment?
JT: Any kind of sense of common racial consciousness among whites will increase no matter what Trump does or doesn’t do. White people around the world are waking up to the fact that their current view of immigration, of demographics, of race, is a suicidal one. That’s why nationalist parties in Europe are doing much better than before, that’s why you have such a burgeoning of white consciousness, in podcasts, books, videos, here in the U.S.
White people are realizing here in the United States that if they do nothing they will be shoved aside by non-whites who are absolutely not hesitating about asserting their group interests. Deep in their bones, white people realize it would be a catastrophe for them and their descendants if they become the minority group in their own countries, with all this talk about white privileges, about blaming whites for the misfortunes of the non-whites everywhere at any time, they would likely become a despised minority.
More and more whites are waking up to this and willing to take action to prevent this. At the same time, Trump is much more likely to be more opened to this kind of mentality than Hillary Clinton would have been. It is not impossible to imagine Trump thinking, “Well what’s wrong with the whites wanting to remain a majority in their own country.”
WJ: We have seen a big boost in our membership and reputation. Before, when I would say my views, people would say (whiny voice): “Oh you’re like Mussolini or you are a fascist,” now they say, “Oh you’re like Trump!” (laughs) so that’s big progress right there!
I am going to the inauguration with my wife as a citizen, just to watch. This situation is unique in the United States; before, there would be loads of groups who would just scare us and beat us up, now the pro-Trump people are so large that the other side is afraid, so if the police does do its job, they might get beaten up this time. This is the first time in my life that I see my group on the powerful side when it comes to street fighting.
What would you tell teleSUR’s readership about the Central American children and citizens running away from violence and poverty and trying to reach the United States, and sometimes succeeding, waiting with anxiety for their imminent deportation?
JT: Would you think it would be a wonderful thing if people who spoke another language, with a different cultural background, coming to your country in large numbers, buying radio stations in different languages, bringing in other traditions, printing papers in other languages, and threatening to outnumber you … Same with the U.S., it has a culture and heritage, and we do not wish to be swamped by aliens. A multicultural, multiethnic, multiracial society is always a source of conflicts, it’s nothing but headaches, everyone is looking for their share of the pie.
WJ: About the migrants running away from death and poverty in Central America, he said that these countries should see the advantages of being nationalists too, maybe not in the short-term, but the long-term, and this why we can have a stronger relationship with these countries, like Venezuela, Cuba, even Mexico, although with Trump the relationship will be strained for a while. teleSUR should have a talk show promoting nationalism.