Western Europe, State Formation, and Genetic Pacification

Peter Frost and Henry Harpending, Evolutionary Psychology Journal, March 2015

Abstract: Through its monopoly on violence, the State tends to pacify social relations. Such pacification proceeded slowly in Western Europe between the 5th and 11th centuries, being hindered by the rudimentary nature of law enforcement, the belief in a man’s right to settle personal disputes as he saw fit, and the Church’s opposition to the death penalty. These hindrances began to dissolve in the 11th century with a consensus by Church and State that the wicked should be punished so that the good may live in peace. Courts imposed the death penalty more and more often and, by the late Middle Ages, were condemning to death between 0.5 and 1.0% of all men of each generation, with perhaps just as many offenders dying at the scene of the crime or in prison while awaiting trial. Meanwhile, the homicide rate plummeted from the 14th century to the 20th. The pool of violent men dried up until most murders occurred under conditions of jealousy, intoxication, or extreme stress. The decline in personal violence is usually attributed to harsher punishment and the longer-term effects of cultural conditioning. It may also be, however, that this new cultural environment selected against propensities for violence.

[Editor’s Note: The full paper is available here.]

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  • Also relevant in this time was the ever more vigilant enforcement of the Church’s prohibition against tight endogamy and close cousin marriage.

    What we also have here is an implicit rebuttal of an argument that anti-deathpenalty activists spout.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Not only does this argument refute the claim that the death penalty doesn’t reduce crime it also suggests the common complaint by anarchists- “the state has a monopoly on violence”- may actually be a good thing.

      • propagandaoftruth

        “the state has a monopoly on violence”

        Part of the brilliance of our founding fathers regarding that “right to bear arms”. I think this is the only reason we don’t yet live under British style neo-Orwellian/Huxleyian school-marmism.

        • ElComadreja

          We’re getting there.

  • Chip Carver

    Considering how spread out the European population has been – on the continent of Europe itself – I’m still a bit more inclined to believe that the drop in homicides for example is due to the average intelligence of the White population and the restraints that the population has put on itself. Extreme violence isn’t needed in most White societies. That’s why Whites were able to band together and build large societies in the first place.

    I think this article is a bit of propaganda, roundabout as usual, to make sure that most Whites believe themselves to be incapable of extreme violence as their living spaces are swamped with non-whites who are less intelligent and thus much more prone to impulsive violence, most of whom don’t give a damn about the repercussions of their behavior.

    I will admit my skepticism is also partly founded in a distrust of most academics, who are Marxist lapdogs in order to keep their jobs and to keep the grant money flowing.

    • WhiteGuyInJapan

      I appreciate your skepticism, but Frost and Harpending are not Marxist academics. Not by a long shot. Recommended.

      • Strike_Team

        I don’t see where he says Frost and Harpending are Marxists. But he’s right to be distrustful of most academics in general because most have to toe the line in some fashion to keep their jobs.

        I’ve seen enough white criminals in my line of work to make me believe that whites are capable of being very violent, just as violent as other groups but usually that tends to be in situations that escalate. Blacks and Latinos can be extremely violent right off the bat especially blacks. Both groups seem to lack the built in inhibitors that whites have to keep from throwing down at the slightest provocation. There is both nature and nurture involved with whites and Asians, but with blacks and Latinos it seems to be nature in charge. Whites and Asians are definitely more calculating, even those who are less intelligent than average. But if pushed into a corner all people can turn into animals.

        In my experience blacks and Latinos possess much higher levels of innate cruelty in comparison to whites despite the media and academia trying to convince people otherwise.

        Certain groups are intelligent but they are only altruistic when it comes to their own. White people need to be more like that.

        • I have been startled, in some cases, stunned, at the fast, innate readiness, of Hispanics to hate and to strike out. I have seen this now 3 or 4 times. These are not people you want in your civilization.
          In the interest of more complete truth, I also want to point out that no group is completely monolithic. There are people of some Spanish or Portuguese descent who are not at all like this.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      Death penalty and harsh crime penalties can raise average I.Q. Most people who do crime are at the bottom of society or below average intelligence. It simultaneously selects for passivity, altruism and intelligence.

    • propagandaoftruth

      Ultimately the struggle for survival and to advance is rather doomed, or at least brutally designed so that that which makes a civilization strong and prosperous eventually leads to dissolution and weakness.

      The root of all evil is the desire to destroy all evil. Evil, “destroyed”, is naught but an invitation for…

      A) The goody two shoes to become the “evil” through the ‘whitecloak phenomenon”. What does the witch hunter or dragon slayer do to pay the bills once a sufficient number of witches have been burned and dragons sworded? Create new monsters to destroy in his all encompassing mission to DESTROY (what he believes is) EVIL!!!!!! These people are abominations exemplified today by conscious or unaware allegiance to some form of Marxism, like “progressivism”.

      B) The average person, bereft of examples of true evil in a near perfect society…forgets what evil looks like and how to deal with it. When it rapes his sister he feels sorry for the rapist, when it murders his own he chalks it up to his evil, oppressive system or mental illness. Lambs and wolves…

      Our societies have become like families dominated by strong, passive-aggressively bullying women who order about weak, hen pecked beta men. No child is allowed to play on the dangerous monkey bars nor ever given a toy gun nor ever encouraged to defend himself personally when attacked since that it’s the job of the police, who are dangerously manly and violent folks themselves…

  • SentryattheGate

    Re. violence in societies: hasn’t it been established that blacks have more testosterone than other races? And that violent black offenders in jail have even more?

    • Cecil Broomsted

      How would one explain the extreme violence and barbarity of the low testosterone Japanese during WWII?

      • WR_the_realist

        Well, since we were creating fire storms in Japanese cities with incendiaries (before nuking the two cities that were left) I don’t think the Japanese had any monopoly on barbarity in that conflict. Because America always fights its wars on somebody else’s soil we tend to forget just how barbaric our own side can be.

        • bv

          We shouldn’t have entered any of the wars at just sold the Japanese oil. Hell we should have used our resources colonizing Sierra Leone & Liberia to settle our blacks and all of the Caribbean blacks English, French & Spanish speaking back to their shores.

          Just get things in order in the Western Hemisphere to make our living conditions great. “Natives” gather all of them and place them in Hawaii to overtake the Polynesians. They’ll still be poor but at least they’ll be in paradise.

          Just subsidize the island and them working in factories to earn their keep.

        • Speedy Steve

          With the exceptions of the War Between The States, The American Revolution, The War on Poverty, The War On Drugs, etc.

        • Teofilo Cruz

          1,000,000 murdered German POWs in the Rhine Meadows camps.

        • ElComadreja

          Fact is they attacked first.

      • AmericanCitizen

        Ideology. They were also adherents to the idea of a “master race”, of course to the Japs they were the master race. That partially explains the brutality shown towards the Filipinos, the Koreans, the Chinese, and American POW. The warrior culture of the Japanese treats POW like cowards who surrendered instead of fighting to the death (like Japs did) and thus POW are ripe for abuse and torture since to the Japs a POW was honorless.

        • bv

          Lots of Koreans fought in the Japanese forces along with Taiwanese.

          • AmericanCitizen

            You mean fought against.

          • John Smith

            Fought with. Those groups were often used in second-line positions, like camp guards.

          • bv

            No actual with them, the higher classes and privileged Koreans went along with japanization.

            Just because someone takes a Japanese name doesn’t make then ethnically Japanese.

          • AmericanCitizen

            WWII Japs were about as racist as can be. While we think orientals look the same, they don’t see it that way at all – a Korean is garbage to a Jap. There were no upper-class Koreans who fought in the IJA.

          • bv

            The Koreans have them labeled as traitors. These supporters of the Imperial Army have all adopted Japanese names (a common practice).

            Just like Eastern Ukraine has ethnic Ukrainians who are oriented to Russia and use Russian as a first language and prefer to be within Moscow’s sphere if influence.

            It was no different with Koreans.

      • bv

        That’s a good point they were very good killers.

      • LHathaway

        Japanese did commit war crimes. It’s quite possibly Japanese soldiers who became more militarized, regimented and strict (as they did become more so as the war progressed) were less likely to commit war crimes.

        • Jason Lewis

          What the Japanese did to China makes WW2 Germany look like Boy Scouts.

          • John Smith

            Unit 731.

        • John Smith

          It seems that they actually lost their inhibitions while serving in the military and felt justified in victimizing those they considered inferiors and/or enemies.

        • Teofilo Cruz

          Operation Keelhaul

      • WhiteGuyInJapan

        The Japanese are really good at obeying orders, have rather low levels of empathy towards the outgroups and, generally, no sense of moderation.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        This is group behavior as opposed to individual behavior. Different dynamics.

    • connorhus

      Black Males mature a bit faster and gain testosterone earlier but I think overall they do not produce a greater amount on average. American Blacks often have the benefit of the hybrid cross breeding and therefore are typically larger on average than true Africans and throw the scales off. It’s the lack of future time orientation and spacial skills that let’s the testosterone take them over where a White would be more reserved.

    • listenupbub

      It is hard to establish stuff regarding testosterone. I think SE Asians came on top in one metric, which is silly.

      • Evette Coutier

        Actually, it’s correct. Asian males have higher serum testosterone levels. However, their bodies have significantly lower testosterone receptors; thus, the overall effect is lower.

        • Jeff

          I believe thers was a study awhile back indicating elevated testosterone among incarcerated males. Apparently, forced proximity to other males cause levels to rise accordingly. Which means to me that it’s not a fixed sum game. If surroundings change, then males react according to circumstances.

          Boot camp would certainly seem to bear this out also. Civilization is a very thin veneer. Once external restraint is removed, males will naturally rise to the occasion as it were. Peaceful, law abiding men often make for the most efficient killers.

          • Evette Coutier

            That is correct. Studies have shown that environmental factors influence hormonal levels.

  • Dave4088

    I think European descended peoples have been genetically pacified to some extent, but that doesn’t account for the entire picture. Police states such as we have throughout the Western world serve as a strong deterrent to commit violence in the white general population. And from birth we are conditioned to never, ever think that violence is a viable option and proper reaction to certain events. Also, the economic prosperity that we’ve enjoyed for a long time also deters collective violence against government entities.

    I believe if and when the police states run out of gas and whites feel threatened that our warrior genes will emerge from their dormancy. At least I hope so or this whole argument is academic.

    • connorhus

      I agree 100%. Feminism has also removed a large amount of Male protectiveness from the pool as well. Most of what we see today is a forced learn response and will dissipate quickly when/if the lights go out.

    • SentryattheGate

      The wrath of the awakened Saxon?

  • connorhus

    Ever think it might be evolution? Europeans and a few non-European Northern tribes were always less likely to murder their own because working together is a much more beneficial trait in the Northern latitudes. Teamwork and learning to trust and rely on your fellow man could be something Europeans evolved into more readily because those traits had more beneficial payouts.

    • WR_the_realist

      Actually, what the paper describes is evolution. Your environment includes the legal and social structure you live under. If the legal structure causes violent people to be eliminated from the gene pool, pacifism is selected for.

      • connorhus

        Of course but that is simply an extension of the Natural social views. Murder would be frowned on more in the Northern climes than the Southern so would carry a greater punishment. Teamwork, which European Whites have shown they are by far best at, would be it’s own reward and also take on a social acceptance.

        • John Smith

          You’re describing the cultural evolution toward farming, which required pools of labor and promoted task specialization to support those engaged full-time in agriculture, versus hunter/gatherers, who have limited resources that won’t go far if shared. Violence would be beneficial to the latter group and select those most capable of defending themselves and what was theirs or taking it from others. Negroes have obviously been selected to plunder and murder.

    • David Ashton

      Harpending might be expected to develop this argument. There is also Steve “The Thinker” Pinker’s writing on the decline of violence to consider. Is there a correlation between pacific communities and low achievement in art and music?

      • ElComadreja

        I’d say the black level of achievement in art and music has been pretty damn low for the last forty years.

    • John Smith

      Less sophisticated peoples, who don’t rely on future planning and cooperation for their survival as a community, through cultural innovations like specialization of labor, and live in a climate where it is not possible to anticipate environmental extremes (droughts, not winters), would be best suited to fight for happenstance resources as they appear. This behavior benefits of excluding most from sharing resources as a way of maximizing the survival benefit of limited resources would predominate.

    • propagandaoftruth

      Also history is replete with examples of…

      1. Strong and violent barbarians who settle down, farm and herd, create societies with laws that punish overly aggressive types…

      2. Over time the barbarians become civilized, an evolutionary process in which man changes environment and the new environment he creates changes him.

      3. At which point a horde of violent and brutal barbarians show up and…uh oh!
      Sometimes the few sheepdogs left in a domesticated sheep herd just are not enough. They’re domesticated as well and there are not enough regardless.

      Western Europe anyone?

      • ElComadreja

        I’d include America as well.

  • AmericanCitizen

    Strong intelligence and “honor”, if you will, can allow an otherwise violent person to remain calm and in control. Don’t mistake self-control for weakness. I think a lot of the enemies we have are making that mistake, and they will be quite shocked and unhappy when whites collectively decide it’s time to fight for our future. Once whites throw away the PC crap and the forced tolerance towards those seeking to harm us – watch out.

    • SentryattheGate

      The wrath of the awakened Saxon!!!

      • Teofilo Cruz

        It was not part of their blood,
        It came to them very late,
        With long arrears to make good,
        When the Saxon began to hate.
        ……………………………….
        They were not easily moved,
        They were icy-willing to wait,
        Til every count should be proved,
        Ere the Saxon began to hate.
        ………………………………..
        Their voices were even and low,
        Their eyes were level and straight,
        There was neither sign nor show,
        When the Saxon began to hate.
        ………………………………
        It was not preached to the crowd,
        It was not taught by the state,
        No man spoke it aloud,
        When the Saxon began to hate.
        ……………………………….
        It was not suddenly bred,
        It will not swiftly abate,
        Through the chill years ahead,
        When Time shall count from the date,
        When the Saxon began to hate.

        • propagandaoftruth

          I’m 100% OK with “hate”. Hatred has made more friends in this wicked old world than “love”.

          “Man I hate that dude!”

          “Oh yeah? Me too! Let’s hang out, maybe plot together…”

          Abnegation of hatred toward one’s existential enemies is morally reprehensible. Ain’t natural either. Suicidally creepy…

          Ever has polite society needed hard men willing to break heads. When a society becomes too “civilized” and pacifist, it eventually turns on these people as well and renders itself defenseless.

          • Teofilo Cruz

            I can find nothing here to disagree with.

          • propagandaoftruth

            At least one day Hispanics will replace blacks as in SoCal today…

            Ironic. Our high yaller prezzy thinks that just because 1st and 2nd generations of Hispanics will vote Dem for the benefits and the free citizenship, they will side with blacks and Marxists verses White America.

            I think he’s wrong. Here’s how it might play out over time…

            1. Black Hispanics will largely side with blacks and Marxists, with the possible exception of many high Mulatto Dominicans who consider themselves White.

            2. White Hispanics (genetically, culturally, sociologically) who do not become Marxists will increasingly identify with other Whites. This includes many with a drop or two of non-White who look, act, live like Whites.

            Eventually even mixed Hispanics, especially with little or no negro blood, may indeed become permanent Dem party fixtures, will replace blacks politically and geographically, colonizing black destroyed places like Detroit and Ferguson etc.

            With the exception of those brainwashed by Marxist indoctrination and/or burdened by significant negro genetics, the typical Hispanic loves not the Negro. This is something to work with…

          • Teofilo Cruz

            All of this is possible.
            As far as Detroit is concerned, we should just leave it alone.
            The negros have to be somewhere, barring of course, sending them back to Africa, and the negros destroy every dwelling place they have.
            They seem to prefer it that way.
            Detroit has become a de-facto” Bantustan”, and to attempt to rehabilitate it would only guarantee that the current inhabitants would simply infest some other city and by their mere presence, destroy it.

          • propagandaoftruth

            Yes. The tripartite race/class/political morass imposed on us from our governancy (I refer to the big economic/political/ideological thing that bullies, takes care of, and experiments upon us as the “governancy”, stress on “nancy”, lol) will result in population displacement, the softest, kindest form of genocide imaginable, and plausible deniability on a grand, Madison Avenue style scale.
            When Marxism took over the US sometime in the 70’s (I count the Manson trials as the arguable end of the revolution

  • David Ashton

    Lobotomize every Cauk on the planet?

  • Sick of it

    If this were true, we would not have to worry about millions of armed goons shooting us for doing a little thing like defending our rights, let alone punishing the criminals in this country. In which case I would be too busy to type.

  • My immediate ancestors participated in lynchings of blacks in the south. One of my cousins allegedly killed a Negro in Birmingham as recently as the 80s. Thus, the pussification of the white man is somewhat of a mystery to me.

    One theory has to do with chemicals leaching out from plastic drink and milk bottles. Another has to do with female hormones leaching into the water supply. Even college age females all have a nasal whiny voice today, along with a third of the males. Perhaps blacks have a genetic immunity to these effects.

    The white man was aggressive enough in the 19th and 20th centuries. A US civil war, world wars, many smaller conflicts–the urge to protect one’s turf had not been bred out of the white man yet.

    Something has changed in the last 50 years that explains the pacification of whites. The theory in the article is not wrong, just incomplete.

    • LHathaway

      I’m not sure I Fully buy into your ‘the white man was tougher’ in the past stance. At least, I believe Whites have yet to become fully racial. Whites have always had a greater loyalty to religion, ideals, or nation than they have to race. That time has not yet fully arrive, at least not for Whites.

      • My grandparents had no problem reconciling segregation, the word ‘n*gger,” and lynchings and beatings of blacks with their devout Christianity. In the south because of the large numbers of blacks they had to be real, not foolishly idealistic or practicing some damn fool form of religion.

    • propagandaoftruth

      You have an honorable and illustrious heritage. Me too.

  • Speedy Steve

    The pool of violent men dried up until most murders occurred under conditions of jealousy, intoxication, or extreme stress.

    Oh really? That doesn’t explain away the thrill killings committed by our vicious African minority. I guess our soft “state” needs to administer floggings and the death penalty more frequently until the problem goes away.

    • JohnEngelman

      The authors are only discussing Europeans. The high crime rates of Negroes everywhere in the world confirm their theories.

  • Max

    This selection will be rapidly overthrown by the present dysgenesis now imposed by our billionaire socialist rulers. The temperate, industrious and intelligent are being replaced by mud-hutters and sand-people.

    • JohnEngelman

      Because computer technology increases the relationship between intelligence and income, and because the voters are turning against welfare payments for illegitimate children, I doubt that dysgenics will continue much longer.

      The biological future belongs to those in the upper ten percent of the IQ distribution. They will have descendants on this planet ten thousand years from not. Unmarried welfare mothers and their fly by night lovers will not.

      • John Smith

        The world of the future needs drones incapable of overthrowing their rulers.

        • Weisheit77

          Precisely, John Smith. He’s talking about the .1%, of which none of us are, unless there are some high IQ billionaires on this site (if that’s the case why isn’t this site a lot more streamlined like a Soros site).

          I would be interested to know just how many kids Mr. Engelman has, or is he the person who never had kids who writes books on good parenting.

          • Sick of it

            Most really high IQ people are normal folk, not billionaires. Most of the billionaires today have a slightly above average IQ. High IQ people were at the top as kings or noblemen in the distant past, but this world is very different.

      • Spikeygrrl

        I wish I could upvote this 100x.

        • JohnEngelman

          Once is enough. Thank you.

      • Weisheit77

        I wish I could believe it. Although, I can see an cognitive elite growing (they already exist in substantial numbers), I fear regression is coming. In my circle of higher IQ whites (110 IQs and upwards) no one is having children or even getting married.

        I’ve been a regular to this site for 8 years or so, maybe longer. I read almost everything daily including the comments section. Remember, John has admitted to being very wrong before about what he foresaw as the future. I know I’ve read his comments.

        No one has convinced me yet that the biological future doesn’t belong to bacteria.

        (Of course, this could be his secret worship of the Juice and Japanese talking; maybe he should look at their birth rates; the world is getting dumber by leaps and bounds.)

        • JohnEngelman

          I was wrong during the 1970’s. I thought the War in Vietnam, the Watergate Scandal, and the stagflation would push the United States to the left. Instead, we got the tax revolt, and the administration of Ronald Reagan.

          I knew that Ronald Reagan could not cut taxes, raise defense spending, and balance the budget by 1983, without cutting popular middle class entitlements, as he promised to do during the campaign of 1980.

          I thought his tax cuts and spending increases would lead to an inflationary depression. I remember telling a co-worker, “This generation belongs economically to Japan and militarily to the Soviet Union. The next generation belongs to Communist China.”

          I failed to account for the decline in the price of petroleum. Nevertheless, real after tax incomes for most Americans has declined since 1980, as the rich have gotten richer.

          People with high IQ’s do have children, but they have few of them, they provide for them well, and they send them to elite universities.

          In his essay and book RACE, EVOLUTION AND BEHAVIOR

          Professor J. Philippe Rushton

    • John Smith

      If you were, say a tiny but intelligent religious/ethnic minority, what better strategy could you have than to break up the groups most hostile to you and your eventual seizure of power than to either destroy or attenuate those groups through the use of more savage, yet unsophisticated groups whom you could easily pacify and prevent them from turning against you?

      • Spikeygrrl

        Here we go again…sigh…

        FLAGGED

  • JohnEngelman

    By the mid-18th century, the execution rate was falling not just because fewer murders were being committed but also because a shrinking proportion of convicted murderers were being executed. Revulsion against the death penalty was growing among judges and jurors, while people in general were for similar reasons spurning once popular events like cock fighting, bear and bull baiting, and the burning of cats on Midsummer Day.

    – Peter Frost and Henry C. Harpending

    As capital punishment removed those with homicidal inclinations from the gene pool, it also reduced the number of people who enjoyed cruelty. Eventually a genetically pacified population came to oppose the very process that pacified them, without understanding the process, and how it worked.

    This is why Europeans and people of European descent have difficulty understanding the mentalities of races that have not been genetically pacified. Whites, and particularly white liberals, imagine that everyone is as evolved as they are.

  • JohnEngelman

    1500 and 1750, a period of approximately 10 generations when the “war on
    murder” was at its height and for which we have good historical data. At the beginning of that period, the English homicide rate was about 20 to 40 per year per 100,000 people. At the end, it was about 2 to 4 per 100,000.

    – Peter Frost and Henry C. Harpending

    In the United States the murder rate per year per 100,000 was 4.5 in 2013. In 1991 it was 9.8.

    The United States has a higher murder rate than European countries, because the United States has a higher percentage of third world peoples. These have not been genetically pacified by centuries of a draconian criminal justice system. Consequently, they require a criminal justice system that is harsher than what is necessary for whites.

    • Jason Lewis

      Ann Coulter ticked off a ton of folks when she said if you removed one demograpic from the U.S. murder rate we look safer than Europe.

      • Irish

        She’s pretty close to fearless at this point..Hard not to admire her willingness to not play the big p.c. game that so many conservatives that I otherwise agree with 90% of the time play..

        • Jason Lewis

          You’ve gotta wonder if being female has alot to do with it. Usually the guys get run out tar and feathered.

  • JohnEngelman

    I have been waiting for this essay ever since I corresponded with Peter Frost after I read his earlier essay, “The Roman State and Genetic Pacification.” Back then he told me he was working on this essay.

    For American Renaissance I wrote an abridgment of Peter Frost’s essay. My abridgment included two additions to his argument that he agreed with: by attracting physically aggressive men, the Roman Army removed them from the gene pool because it was difficult for soldiers to raise families; by increasing the prolificacy of intelligent men the Roman Empire promoted the evolution of higher average intelligence.

    Both of these factors are at work in all civilizations. They explain why races that have practiced civilization for several thousand years have lower crime rates and higher average IQ’s than races that have recently been introduced to civilization.

    My essay is entitled, “Genetically Tamed?” It was posted on American Renaissance August 30, 2013.

    • LHathaway

      “by attracting physically aggressive men, the Roman Army removed them from the gene pool because it was difficult for soldiers to raise families”

      Did joining the Roman Army possibly provide an income with which to support a family? Actually, I’m not sure I believe that one. It likely acquainted them (consripts) with a future that would include manual labor. More importantly, where is the proof that the more physically able are less mentally capable?

      • JohnEngelman

        Enlistments in the Roman Army were usually for twenty years. No provision was made for a wife and children. After the twenty years veterans were often given land to farm. However, most were too old to begin families. Also, the Roman Army had a high mortality rate.

        Physical aggressiveness and intelligence are two different genetically influenced characteristics. They are distributed on two different bell curves.

      • Spikeygrrl

        Thank goodness that America’s all-voluntary servicemembers CAN raise families and thereby propagate patriotism and the martial virtues! It’s not an easy row to hoe — their salaries are criminally low compared to their civilian counterparts — but with hard work and tight household budgeting it can be done.

    • John Smith

      The Roman Empire fell because it had too few of these men in the end – a point of diminishing returns. A civilization can become too civilized when faced with foes of lesser sophistication but greater will.

      • JohnEngelman

        That was Peter Frost’s point in the essay I wrote about.

        Fortunately, intelligence is important to military strength. Intelligence gives whites of European ancestry the edge over Muslims. Arabs have practiced civilization for a long time, but they had children by female slaves imported from sub Saharan Africa. Negro genes entered the Arab genome.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    I had this theory as well. England is one place where many people were hung during certain historical periods for being poor or for trivial crimes. This behavior probably selected for more cooperative people and created a modern evolution in population dynamics (which is being undone through the introduction of diverse races into the gene pool). China also had a long history of stifling rebellion. Thus East Asians tend to be conformist due to that Genetic pressure against revolutionaries.

  • MG Huffman

    It’s good that we weeded out our murderers, but we should’ve also weeded out our traitors.

  • TruthBeTold

    To toot my own horn, I wrote about his before on AR.

    We may have culled our homicidal genes but at what cost? Passivity?

    The same can be seen with our wars. Those who bravely rushed to the front line were likely the ones who fought the hardest. Is this why we no longer have a fight in us?

    Two fratricidal European wars may have been the last straw.

    • Jeff

      Why are so many on here so quick to dismiss the American fighting man? We’ve been on a semi permanent war footing for 20 years, and our boys have been giving a pretty damn good account of themselves. Most of them are European lineage, which includes many American born hispanics.

      What’s more, these guys are volunteers who are fully aware of what they’re signing up for. I’d say writing us off is a bit premature. Admittedly, things are bad right now. Very bad. Probably our lowest point since the Carter years, if not worse. Our leadership sucks, pathetically so. But if things continue along the present course, there will be a correction. That’s something to look forward to, because when it comes, it will do so with a vengeance.

      • Cindy

        “That’s something to look forward to, because when it comes, it will do so with a vengeance.”
        ________________________________________________
        I agree. Not only will it come with a vengeance, but it will happen very quickly. There will be panic, then change.

      • TruthBeTold

        I’m not dismissing the White fighting man but I do believe we’ve taken a big hit in our last two big European wars.

        We certainly do have fighting men but the most courageous are always the ones that will suffer greatest loses without leaving offspring.

        One way around this would be to encourage these men to donate sperm before they go off to battle.

      • SentryattheGate

        Our military men are among our best and brightest, as pointed out by the fact that only ~25% of American youth even qualify for the military! Either they are physically unfit, cannot pass the ASVAB tests, have criminal and/or psychological backgrounds, making ~75% unqualified. I just wish our foreign policy wasn’t so screwed up that it puts you guys at risk—for what?? While our country is overrun with illegals and Third Worlders!

  • rebelcelt

    Did the frontiersmen not get the memo?

  • Usually Much Calmer

    There is plenty of longform analysis of the civilizing processes that make up the history of the west.

    Perhaps a few readers would volunteer to write book reviews of these. It would make a nice series. I can think of perhaps 7 titles that are relevant.

  • Weisheit77

    Could this be some return to the mean in process? I mean from the perspective of the human race. Some races civilized themselves to the point that they are unable to collectively protect themselves from the uncivilized races, and as result in America or Europe, a lot of genetic material has been absorbed that wasn’t subject to this civilizing influence of civilization. I can’t speak with any authority on Japan, as I only have Japanese friends and don’t speak the language and have never been there, but I have to wonder if there isn’t a similar attack of miscegenation on their genome.

    • Weisheit77

      Or how the success of South Africa was its ultimate demise, and we might be seeing a similar course being plotted in Israel and the Jewish population is overwhelmed by the Arab population.

  • Weisheit77

    This also begs the question… Where did the SS come from? Those were some bad dudes.

  • slobotnavich

    How about this possible explanation: Two horrific European wars effectively killed off many of the best, bravest, and brightest, putting a serious dent in the overall European gene pool which will take several more generations to fully repair. And if the Europeans generally seem rather unenthused about supporting our own military adventures they just might have good and defensible reasons.