John Kerry: ISIL a “Hateful Ideology That Has Nothing to Do with Islam”

Real Clear Politics, September 10, 2014

John Kerry, Secretary of State: ISIL claims to be fighting on behalf of Islam but the fact is that its hateful ideology has nothing do with Islam. ISIL a manifestation of evil, a vicious terrorist organization and it is an organization that achieves its goals only through violence, repression and destruction. Fed by illicit funding and a stream of foreign fighters, it has seized territory and terrorized the people who live there regardless of their sect or ethnicity. There is literally no place for their barbarity in the modern world.

This is a fight that the Iraqi people must win but it is also a fight that the rest of the world needs to win with them. It is a fight that the United States and the rest of the world need to support every single step of the way.

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  • DaveMed

    White liberal expertise on Islam never ceases to amaze me.

    They know more about the religion than Muslims do.

    • Publius Pompilius Quietus

      Indeed. In Philosophy class this morning, a professor of mine went off on a rant about the evil of ISIS and how it is anti-Islamic. I couldn’t help but laugh to myself.

      • DaveMed

        It’s kind of pathetic when the “no true Scotsman” argument comes from a non-Scotsman, isn’t it?

      • adplatt126

        Geniuses. Really. Geniuses.

      • dmxinc

        It is a mental disorder when you can say something you know is a lie and yet believe it yourself.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Doublethink.

          • Ralph Monzo

            Every time I hear a liberal speak, I cringe at the Orwellian “Newspeak” sense of dread I feel. Doubleplusungood. :/

  • Dave4088

    Ultra leftists only generalize, stereotype and pass collective value judgements when dealing with white people or their religion of Christianity. They judge as individuals and give a very wide berth when dealing with Islam and non-whites.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Mohammed was a mass murdering pedophile, who spread islam by the sword: convert or die. Sounds a bit like ISIS? The idiot Kerry probably thinks Mohammed hijacked islam as well.

      • 1stworlder

        You forgot his biggest victory came from breaking a peace treaty in the middle of the night.

      • adplatt126

        Sounds a lot like Catholicism, minus the pedophilia. Oh wait, sounds a lot like Catholicism.

        • ZB01

          Low blow, and factually incorrect. The problem in post-Vatican II, and at some points in history, even in pre-Vatican II Catholicism (the real Catholic Church), has never—I repeat—never been pedophilia on a large scale; the problem has been pederasty on a large scale, which is an outcome of the unmentionable sin, and one of four sins which cry to heaven for vengeance; which sin is being promoted as some sort of virtue by those who have lost their faith or their minds, and probably both.

          • adplatt126

            LOL. OK, Catholics like to sleep with 12 year olds, not 10 year olds. Is that your argument? Good argument.

          • ZB01

            Thanks for the lousy argumentation—both the logical fallacy of a straw man (where, pray tell did I mention 10? I had more in mind 15-20….which is pederasty); and a red herring to boot.
            Catholics like to sleep with 12 years old, not 10
            Really? Is that your argument? Or, maybe, in your abject stupidity, you failed to word it properly. And cut it out with the “LOL”….if you’re a grown man, write like one!

          • adplatt126

            The Catholic Church is essentially NAMBLA with fancy garments and big hats.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Let’s talk when catholic terrorists start beheading and otherwise slaughtering large numbers of non believers.

          • adplatt126

            Is that a joke? Catholic history is basically the history of one act of mass-murder after another, in Europe, the new world etc. I mean the list goes on and on. Even the expansion of Christianity in Europe was one giant act of force. You didn’t even see tolerance of private conscience, free speech allowance, governmental legitimacy, amongst many other developments, until the Protestants broke free from the Catholics (by the sword of course, since the Catholics would never let them leave by their own accord).

          • ZB01

            Protestantism is 1500 years too late to be the Church Christ founded, outside of which there is no salvation.

          • Ralph Monzo

            Gentlemen, be all that as it may.may I implore you both toward Christian Unity? We need not accept every point of each other’s faith and dogma, but since we all espouse the divinity of Jesus Christ, and God’s acceptance of His perfect sacrifice for the remission of sin as evidenced in Christ’s resurrection. and belief in His imminent return to earth in glory and power unimaginable, should we not seek to minimize the emphasis on our differences, and to join together behind a united front based upon our commonly held beliefs? Christ said, “…by this they will know ye are my followers: That ye love one another.” Let’s go forth united as brethren to bring the light of Jesus Christ to an increasingly dark, fallen world, and to defend God’s greatest earthly gift to us, FREEDOM!
            And all God’s people said, AMEN!

    • Ralph Monzo

      What IS is doing is mandated by the words of the ‘prophet.’ As an educated man, I’m sure Mr. Secretary knows that, but the orders of the globalist shadow government elites must be followed.

  • Something called “Islamic State…” has nothing to do with Islam.

    Sure, Kerry, and also, Obama and Rand Paul.

    BTW, Islamic State is at Ohio State this Saturday, kickoff at 2:30. I don’t know the spread, MekongDelta69, but I do know the over/under is 72, as in the number of virgins a Muslim will get if he successfully commits a terrorist attack inside the Ohio State stadium.

    • Robert Binion

      I believe State’s execution of the “chop block” a bit uncommon.

      • Ralph Monzo

        The chopping block is a big part of Islamic State’s game plan.

  • RealisticGuy

    To be fair, I wouldn’t want to live under strict Christianity, any more than Islam.

    • Lewis33

      Perhaps you need to take a deeper look into Islam then.

      • RealisticGuy

        No pork or shellfish for you then. Rabbit or traditional blood pudding is off limits too.

        It’s also against the bible to wear a garment mixed of linen and wool.

        Oh, and you can’t shave.

        Or go anywhere near a woman on her period. That one isn’t half bad.

        No masturbation. Death penalty.

        Being a victim of rape, if you are engaged, female, and virgin, and the rape occurs inside a city. Death penalty.

        Worshiping idols, or blasphemy, breaking the sabbath, trying to convert people to another religion, apostasy. Basically not being a Christian. Death penalty. This is exactly same as the Muslims; these are the reasons they most often kill.

        You could say that those violent, blood thirsty Muslims are better at being Muslims than most Christians are at being Christians.

        I’m of your tribe, we’re both Europeans, and I worship other gods, blaspheme against that wicked desert god of the israelites, the same god as the muslims worship, and actively try to get people to stop believing Christianity. Do you want my address so you can come murder me? It’s what the bible says to do.

        If enough Christians decided they were going to truly be Christians as described in their books, there would be roving bands of Christians murdering people, just like there are muslims.

        • Lewis33

          Except that Christians haven’t behaved that way for centuries. The fundamental “Christian” state of today would allow gay marriage and whatnot. That’s why people immediately think Muzzies are stuck in the “Middle Ages”.

          • RealisticGuy

            Attitudes may change but the books don’t. That’s why I say “those violent, blood thirsty Muslims are better at being Muslims than most Christians are at being Christians.”

            If you strictly followed the word of god, as given to you in Christianity’s sacred bible, you’d be just like them.

            That’s what I said in my original comment:

            “To be fair, I wouldn’t want to live under strict Christianity, any more than Islam.”

          • 1stworlder

            You do know that the new testament kinda changed the old testament stuff right?

          • RealisticGuy

            Not all of it.

            I believe the killing nonbelievers stuff is still canon.

        • Zomg the fundagelical Christians are theoretically out to get us!

          We need to worry about that before the actual recent real life actions of ISIS and the very real possibility that their diaspora in the Western world will soon follow suit.

          • RealisticGuy

            Who said anything like that? Calm down there QD.

            Everyone on here is saying “but the Quran really does say that!”, while conveniently forgetting that the Bible says it too.

        • OS-Q

          The New Testament got rid of the dietary stuff according to most Christians.

          When the Saints and Missionaries converted my ancestors, I doubt they were carrying the Old Testament with them, if they had been, they would have been thrown back into the North Sea.

        • 1stworlder

          Or go anywhere near a woman on her period. sounds like a good idea

          • RealisticGuy

            Yeah that isn’t a bad bit of advice.

          • Got my red wings in college. Sit her down on a towel and then get the job done. The shower together afterward is quite fun.

        • IstvanIN

          Your are suggesting we live by the Old Testament. We should live by the New Testament. Furthermore we have evolved to allow people to follow the denomination they wish or to be atheists.

          • RealisticGuy

            I’m suggested we live by none of that Semitic toilet paper. Old Testament, New Testament, or Quran.

    • I see what you mean. In life, Jerry Falwell had a long record of beheading people and forcing Christian women to undergo FGM.

      • RealisticGuy

        Not a very good Christian, really. He never killed a single unbeliever, though I’m sure he encountered many.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Tell that to ISIS butchers when they come to chop your head off.

      • RealisticGuy

        Not especially good advice.

        I’d rather tell them I’m fully loaded. Though perhaps it would be better to leave that a surprise.

    • 1stworlder

      Foley said the Tea Party was worse than muslims back in Aug 2012, and look what it took to change his mind.

      • RealisticGuy

        I don’t think my comment is the same as Foley’s. Read what I said again and see if you can find the words “tea party”.

        • Lewis33

          Why are you trolling this site Alex? I like your site too…

          • RealisticGuy

            Alex?

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      To be fair, I wouldn’t want to live under strict Christianity, any more than Islam.

      The point you’re missing is that Christians as a group have progressed beyond that era long ago, while the more backwards Middle Easterners are still stuck in that centuries-old Middle Ages mentality.

      • RealisticGuy

        I’m not missing it at all.

        But by Christians you mean ethnic Europeans, surely? Or do you mean all Christians? Have African Christians “progressed beyond that era”?

        I know a lot of good non-Christian Europeans. The best people I know aren’t Christian.

        • Tim_in_Indiana

          As has been covered in Amren’s publication many times, Whites as a race (and that includes ethnic Europeans of course) have historically tended to follow Christianity, while other races have not.

          It’s true that the West has entered a more secular era, and I’m a non-practicing Christian myself, meaning that I don’t believe in the tenets of Christianity, but like whites in general, I come from a Christian heritage and background.

          It’s not that Christianity is a superior religion per se (although it does have some admirable traits), but simply that it has been elevated and made more moderate by those who practice it (Whites).

  • james AZ

    Good muslims + Evil muslims = CULT RELIGIOUS………

  • Easyrhino

    The Washington lie factory will keep milking the US tax-payer to fund the MIC till we go bankrupt.

    1. Iran is “days” away from having the bomb…..we must be afraid!
    2. N. Korea wants to take over the world…..we must be afraid!
    3. The Taliban wants to destroy America!
    4. Al Quada wants to destroy America
    5. Putin will sweep through Europe!
    6. Now ISIS.

    No doubt Iran will rotate back to the top when DC’s marketing team thinks it’s time.

    How about we concentrate on protecting the borders of the USA pull all our tax-dollars and military out of the ME and leave the crazies to themselves.

    • Lewis33

      I’ve been thinking the same thing. It’s like a rotating list of bad actors on a soap opera.

      • Ralph Monzo

        It’s easy to spot the sharks when the ‘blood’ of a weak, undecided, unsteadfast ‘president’ is in the water. They’re the ones circling patiently, looking for their opportunity to tear America, and the world, to shreds.

    • Bump! The fearmongering propaganda by the US government is a disgrace, proving that this country is no longer the good guy in the script, but the bad guy. I think you hit all of them with your list of six.

      • Max

        No mention of Vietnam.

      • Ralph Monzo

        Sadly, under Obama, America has become ‘the bad guy.’

        • Garrett Brown

          America has been the bad guy since 1945.

          • Ralph Monzo

            oh boy… Here we go, another libertarian rant.

          • Garrett Brown

            I’m strictly Nationalist.

    • gsrider

      The borders are wide open, don’t be afraid!

    • adplatt126

      The government that lets in the people who blow up your children now wants to save you by killing more of your children overseas fighting against the people it will at a later date let into your country in the name of tolerance, racial justice, and worldliness. American political logic.

      • dmxinc

        Winner of the most insight post today.

        Too bad most Americans don’t get it.

        I served, but their is no way my son is going to serve. What exactly would he be achieving with “service,” except a nice retirement package.

        • Spikeygrrl

          That’s your son’s decision to make, not yours.

          • dmxinc

            Really? Thanks for the insight.

            He will be properly raised and educated. No one that is with lick of sense would serve today and certainly not in the future when the dysfunction of our country is bound to be even greater.

            Just wait until this conclusion reaches the tipping point with potential white recruits – it will spell disaster in the military ranks.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Really? Thanks for the gratuitous insult to my husband and everyone he serves with in military medicine. Your son would have to get up real early in the morning to select and train for a more honorable career.

          • dmxinc

            I guess you missed it – I served too. First Gulf War also. My father did also – two tours in Vietnam, 30 year career. Both grandfathers – WWII.

            Now ask yourself – Is the America of today what we served for? A pro-gay, anti-white, pro-diversity, affirmative action, big government, high crime, completely transformed America. I certainly wouldn’t put my life on the line again for any of that.

            Now if a civil war occurs, that’s will be a different question.

            Admit it Spikey, it’s the pay, pension and benefits that are the real draw today. That’s alright, mercenaries have been around from the dawn of time, just don’t fool yourself into thinking of it as a “higher calling.” Not today. No way. And you know it.

          • Ralph Monzo

            I pray my son doesn’t die in another undeclared, unconstitutional war, like my father did in Korea, but he’s already talking about serving… I don’t have the heart to discourage him. I just hope he changes his mind. I agree with dmxinc… If there’s a civil war, we’ll both be defending freedom….

          • Spikeygrrl

            Thank you for your service. And no thanks at all for your disrespect. If ensuring that a hugely higher proportion of our servicemembers come home in wheelchairs than in body bags than in past wars is not a higher calling, I don’t know what is.

          • dmxinc

            I have been too harsh. Helping out your fellow man is a higher calling. That is noble of your husband.

            The salient point is that these poor soldiers should not be getting maimed over there in the first place even as our government allows citizens of those countries to flood ours as “refugees.” You know that any soldier who loses his life in Iraq or Afghanistan has lost it without any gain for our country. Iraq and Afghanistan will remain islamic hell holes.

          • Spikeygrrl

            I hope you are mistaken. I fear you are correct. But…

            NO SARC: If you have a better idea for keeping the oil flowing, I and millions of other Americans would love to hear it! Bear in mind that domestic energy independence is off the table in the immediate term; even if freed TOMORROW to “drill, baby, drill,” we’d still be looking at years of lead time to bring those resources online.

          • adplatt126

            So, you confess that American foreign policy is primarily driven by resource extraction and enriching multinational corporations? Wow. What about all that honor talk?

          • adplatt126

            So, you confess that American foreign policy is primarily driven by resource extraction and enriching multinational corporations? Wow. What about all that honor talk? But yes, we both agree that not fighting for the government but healing those wounded is noble, but the purposes are very different, and we’re speaking about foreign policy. Moreover, you could argue that a few more wounded and maimed soldiers could potentially tip public opinion against later intervention. That America is such a well-oiled war machine from the standpoint of utility and economic cost and also technological supremacy, and therefore does not incur much of the harm of its adventurism, is part of the problem and keeps the parasitism of the oligarchy intact.

          • Spikeygrrl

            I don’t “confess to” my opinions; I state them, and defend them when needed.

            I did not say that American foreign policy is “primarily” driven by anything. I believe that the only moral basis for American foreign policy is the protection and advancement of American national self-interest. And right now it is without question that keeping the oil flowing is very much in our national self-interest! In fact, it’s “all that honor talk” IN THE ABSENCE OF NATIONAL SELF-INTEREST that usually gets us in trouble, militarily barging into “humanitarian aid” situations which are the rightful province of PRIVATE relief efforts.

            You may think of keeping the oil flowing as enriching corporations. I guess I’m just closer in time to having lived poor than you are. I think about the young family with the husband laid off because of fuel shortages at the plant, and the wife who had to sell her rustmobile and take the bus back and forth to her crappy waitress job because she can’t afford to buy gas anymore and god forbid the baby gets sick and needs to get to the doctor QUICK because they need to keep the thermostat so low.

            But hey, everything’s relative, right? /s

          • adplatt126

            Yeah well, we disagree. I think extracting oil is perhaps perfectly fine morally, so long as you do it in particular ways. Invading sovereign countries and stealing their resources is not ethical or morally acceptable, even if in your national self-interest. It’s not capitalism, it’s not Western, and it’s not OK. When it comes to the things other people own, you can try to help them develop them, you can pay them market price for what you take, etc. But invading countries, setting up puppet governments, snatching up oil fields, may be in your national self-interest, but it’s not morally acceptable. Hell, it might be in our interest to steal everything we want and can around the globe. Should we? It might be in our interest just to kill everything that moves outside of American territory. Should we? What you’re talking about is imperialism and thievery. It has nothing to do with poverty, and everything to do with character. The purpose of the military is not to serve the national self-interest. It is ostensibly anyhow to protect the nation from foreign threats and from those who would wrongly take from us what isn’t theirs by force. It’s not to take things from others wrongly simply because we have the strength to. It’s to prevent theft, not facilitate it. Absurd.

          • Garrett Brown

            You’re bi polar, leave him alone. A same man doesn’t deserve your drivel.

          • adplatt126

            There’s nothing honorable about serving the American Government (And serving this Government is not serving the people. At the present it is essentially doing the opposite, and doing a disservice to the people or working to further enslave them). Nothing at all. I do believe that most people serve in the American military out of a sense of honor, but it’s a misplaced sense. That’s what dmxinc is driving at. Yes, they’re honorable people generally speaking, just utterly deluded ones at this point. In my humble opinion the only honorable war America ever fought was the Revolutionary one. Just wars are rarely fought by governments. They’re almost exclusively fought by free citizens against governments. Tyrannical ones, like our own.

        • Max

          “War is a Racket” by Butler answers the question.

    • Ralph Monzo

      We can’t abandon Israel. Just sayin’…

  • Lewis33

    Who else is in favor of abandoning the middle east to the third world savages who inhabit it?

    • Neue Sachlichkeit

      (coughs something that rhymes with glass parking lot)

    • Ralph Monzo

      Hello? It’s Israel… remember me?

  • JohnEngelman

    How many a township have We destoryed! At a raid by night, or while they slept at noon. Our terror came unto them.

    – Surah VII 4

    Then, when the sacred months have passed, slay the idolaters, wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush.

    – Surah IX 5

    Fight against such of those who have been given the Scripture as believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, and forbid not that which Allah hath forbidden by His messenger, and follow not the religion of truth, until they poay the tribute readily, being brought low.

    – Surah OX, 29

    There is not a township but We shall destroy it ere the Day of Resurrection, or punish it with dire punishment.

    – Sureah XVII, 58

    Not a township believed of those which We destroyed.

    – Surah XXI, 6

    • Tarczan

      Further, Muhammed was the perfect Muslim, and Christ was the perfect Christian. How many armies did Christ lead? None. Muhammed? Many. How many people did Muhammed murder? Hundreds. Christ? None.

      Would one rather live in a Christian country or a Muslim country? Denmark or Egypt?

    • Bossman

      Yeah, these violent demented followers of Islam killed many unbelievers but would usually save the women for later sexual abuse.

      • HJ11

        I’ve noticed that every comment you’ve made so far involves sex. Why is that?

        • Bossman

          When you become very smart and your eyes get opened, you then realize that sex is central to everything. It is at the core of human behavior. This is what occult knowledge is all about.

          • dd121

            We’re very fortunate to have an enlightened one grace us savages with his sparkling thoughts.

          • Bossman

            You’re very correct about that.

          • Ralph Monzo

            …lol…Yeah. One just doesn’t get enough chances to converse on the joys of cultic sexual ritualism these days… 😉

          • HJ11

            Actually, it’s not. Reproduction; that is, making more like oneself and expanding one’s DNA code is central. This applies to all organisms whether they reproduce sexually or not.

            Your notion that sex is central is just a subset of the larger demand by nature on all types of organisms to expand one’s kind.

          • Bossman

            You’re agreeing with me in a round about way. All life forms want to spread themselves.

          • Mary

            Unfortunately, the more evolved and successful human organisms no longer seem to desire to expand themselves much anymore. The biological imperative to procreate has apparently been overridden among the intelligent and productive.

          • HJ11

            It is up to each one of us individually to hear nature’s command and to heed it. Those who don’t are simply walking extinction of their family lines.

            Those who have the most children win. They are defined by nature as the most fit. Those who do not have children are losers. It matters not at all if they are bright or rich or are considered compassionate people. They are losers. Their only purpose is to die and be fertilizer for life.

          • Ralph Monzo

            Yeah, but everyone still wants to have lots and lots of sex, even the “intelligent and productive.” Separating sexual intercourse from procreation is producing some very interesting and perhaps calamitous demographic effects, however, especially in the West.

          • Neue Sachlichkeit

            Reply in lieu of drinks/ice cream/high fives. Utterly true, and very insightful. For those confused, look up what “occult” actually literally means.

          • Garrett Brown

            To a creep like you maybe. Do you salivate over those Mestiza women you glorify so highly boss kid?

          • OS-Q

            It’s just part of a hierarchy of needs; go without food, water, or shelter for a while and sex would be the last thing on someone’s mind.

            Islamic depictions of heaven usually show a great garden, full of fruit, women, and water – all things the bulk of Mohammed’s followers had very little of.

            There’s also the result of sex, which decent people usually put first in importance.

          • Completely wrong. I like sex more than any three or four of you, but what I can build has always been more important. Sex takes about 45 minutes and is lots of fun, but making a crossbow from scratch, and then quarrels for it is more work, requires more perfection, and the glory lasts a lifetime. I used quarter-inch brass for the buttplates, and real brass screws. Lockplates and bow-irons are 1/8-inch steel I blued. The barrels for the two Belgian-style bullet bows are heavy-gauge 10mm inside-diameter steel tubing. I had to order that from Germany, through McMaster and Carr because I wanted to use 3/8″ steel slingshot pellets as ammo. I made two because I could not order shorter lengths.

            I am by nature massively disorganized, so I make decorative wooden storage boxes with compartments and lift-out trays for things that belong together.

            I make my own fishing lures, tie my own fishing flies, and it seems like it is never done, because that is the point. I will never run out of projects.

            One of the advantages of middle age is that I need only about 4 or 6 hours of sleep a night, and a good 10 hours once a week.

            Love of my work has been everything to me for my whole adult life. At 6-feet and 150 pounds, I’m not one of Tolkein’s dwarves, but as much as I loved laboratory chemistry, I now love planning out a build and then doing the work. It feels good when something works properly.

            Sex is nice, but it is not everything.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Yes, but it’s a religion of PEACE!!!!!

  • Frank_DeScushin

    Yet if you were to poll ISIL members, 100% of them would say their movement has everything to do with Islam. Who do I trust more about the ISIL’s motivation: The actual members or a serial lying, Liberal politician?

    • Ralph Monzo

      That must be one o’ them thar ree-tor-ickle questions, right? Hee-hee! ya’ll college folks don’t fool me…

  • Jefferson

    Saying ISIL has nothing to do with Islam is like saying men who have sex with little boys are not Homosexuals.

    • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

      Actually, they’re not, they are called pedophiles. Their attraction has more to do with the age of the child then what sex they are. Both homosexuals and heterosexuals have sex with other adults, not little children.

      • Bossman

        Most homosexuals are also pedophiles. Ancient Greek homosexuals were all pedophiles. The word itself is Greek.

      • Neue Sachlichkeit

        (applause)

  • Larry Klein

    He’s right. These people would be hot headed crazies if they were converted Quakers. Not the religion, it’s the DNA

    • Ralph Monzo

      It’s the sinful nature of all humankind.

  • To Amren editor:

    I love the little sarcastic digs you put in under the official headline titles of each story.

    “Except that it is the fighters’ professed religion,” and “Pressure cooker buyers, beware,” today for example. Very good writing and thinking skills exhibited every day. You often subtly puncture the bubble of PC.

    _____________________________
    The idiotic defense of Islam by Lurch is nothing new. Lurch is simply defending Muslim Obama’s beliefs. Posted this on my site a few days ago:

    In 1994, Bill Clinton said: “[Americans know] the traditional values of Islam, devotion to faith and good works, to family and society, are in harmony with the best of American ideals.”

    In 2002, George W. Bush said: “Here in the United States our Muslim citizens are making many contributions in business, science and law, medicine and education, and in other fields… [they are] upholding our nation’s ideals of liberty and justice in a world at peace.” And he said: “[Islam] inspires countless individuals to lead lives of honesty, integrity, and morality.”

    In 2009, Barack Obama said: “Islam has always been a part of America’s story… and since our founding, American Muslims have enriched the United States.” He also said: “Islam has demonstrated through words and deeds the possibilities of religious tolerance and racial equality.”

    • 1stworlder

      They did have a part to play with Tom Jefferson and the Navy.

      • dmxinc

        90% of Americans would have no idea what you are talking about.

        Just another reason we are in this predicament.

    • Ralph Monzo

      IT’S THE GLOBALISM! Globalism is the real enemy today. Socialism and communism are now obsolete means to the globalists’ ends. Islam gives authoritarianism the increased power and prestige of religious fervor. It is this increased power of the combination of Church and State the Founders of this nation warned us so eloquently of. The globalists embrace the concept as a way to wield ever increasing power over the human race.

      • Garrett Brown

        Socialism has absolutely nothing to do with communism.

        • Ralph Monzo

          Again, Pahahahahahahaha! Where are you getting this stuff? I’ll bet you went to public school, didn’t you?

          • Garrett Brown

            Actually, I learned they were basically the same in public schools just as you did. The difference is I sought out the truth and wasn’t easily brainwashed.

          • Ralph Monzo

            You were blinded, you fool. Blinded into embracing the most evil of all political ideologies, except maybe Islam. Scumbag Nazis don’t deserve the freedoms America affords. Piss off.

  • Jefferson

    Saying Islam is a religion of peace is like saying pork is a vegetable.

    • Bossman

      The Koran (Qu’ran) is a terrorist manual. The whole book is just a long list of violent threats.

      • Nancy

        What’s more, the Koran isn’t ordered chronologically, because if it was, it would be obvious that Mohammed became crazier and “Allah” changed his mind about how to convert non-Muslims as he got older. Instead they order the book in terms of lengths of passages: longest to shortest (but might be vice versa, I can’t recall). They conveniently explain the inconsistencies by saying that “later passages replace the earlier ones”, then make it difficult to sort out by arranging them out of order.

        If the book is rearranged chronologically, it becomes glaringly apparent that “Allah” flip-flopped on many subjects; most notably how to best deal with non-Muslims, spread Islam, and treat Christians and Jews. At first his position was, “live and let live”, then it became “tax them and make them second-class citizens”, and finally it was “kill them on sight”.

        CAIR and other Muslim apologist groups in the US are quick to point to “proof” of Islam’s tolerance by using only passages from Mohammed’s early life, while conveniently omitting the violent passages, which by their own policy are the “last word on the subject”.

        • Ralph Monzo

          Factual and well put. A close reading of the Koran is in order for all Americans. The first time I did, it really blew my mind. I couldn’t believe that people could actually embrace such ideology as “religion.” In between platitudes, the main thrust of Islam is very clearly satanic.

  • disqus_Xz3UA6obwj

    By all means Mr. Kerry, provide us with an atheist ISIL member.

  • HJ11

    The desert religions are all wrong for Whites.

    • Bossman

      What would you suggest? It surely couldn’t be old Zeus who liked to rape pretty boys.

    • RealisticGuy

      One up. You are absolutely right. European blood deserves a European religion.

      • Bossman

        Europeans had their own religion one time. They worshiped the Greco-Roman gods. Those gods were all rapists and perverts.

        • RealisticGuy

          All Europeans worshiped Greco-Roman gods? Do you ever get tired of trolling poorly?

          • Bossman

            The civilized ones worshiped the Greco-Roman gods. The forest dwellers worshiped other kinds of gods such as nature and vegetation gods.

  • journey

    Kerry is so delusional. He refuses to face the facts and wants to redefine Islam to suit himself. Islam has always been a violent religion (conversion by the sword) and hateful toward women (to be regarded worse than a dog). Get all that, Kerry?

    • LHathaway

      Ah, I get it. I thought his speech seemed to more or less make good sense (even though it’s just an encouragement for us to commit war). But what he is really saying is that it is OK for us to wage war against ISIS, because they are not following true Islam. I didn’t get the politically correct angle to his call to war, I guess.

      • journey

        Yes. It is their job to convolute. I also responded to your posting regarding Israel – formed as a buffer state to protect the oil out of concern of the rising Arab nationalism. It is rather old news.

  • journey

    It’s the oil. Originally, it was the British now this country has taken over since Britain is no longer the Empire. Israel was created by the British as a buffer state to protect the oil.

    • LHathaway

      That’s as insane as something Bossman usually says, ha.

      • journey

        You should read more before mocking others.

        Go get educated and Google: The Origins of Imperial Israel: A Buffer Against Arab Nationalism by Andrew Gavin Marshall. And other authors have also written concerning this. This is common knowledge for those who read and search for the truth.

        • David Jones

          Google “The Balfour Declaration” for another take on the origin of Israel.

          • journey

            Thanks. The book I mentioned by Marshall also goes into it. Overall, just a bad and sad state of affairs in the Middle East – lots of ruined lives. Even sadder still is that Iraq was once the cradle of civilization. And Palestine was where Jesus lived his life and presented his teachings.

        • Garrett Brown

          Excuse her, she’s always been a bit “off”.

  • IstvanIN

    John Kerry has enough money to last him the rest of his life, why does he have to be a traitor to his people in order to make a living? Islam is an enemy of mankind worldwide and he knows it. Does anyone in a position of authority ever speak the truth?

    • journey

      Kerry loves the attention, power, and to be on the world’s stage. He’s a politician to the core. And always have managed to find rich women to sponge off from.

  • Jack Green

    obama, Kerry and the current regime launched their defense of islam plan last night during his speech. When obama said isil was not islamic, he was defending islam. Obviously, Kerry has been told to get on board with the program to defend islam as well.

    We will be told this over and over and over; isil/isis is not islamic. Every news outlet (except FOX) will spew this lie. Our gullable obama supporters will hear this so many times that the lie will become truth.

  • dd121

    John Kerry is a leftist fool.

  • JInSanD

    I made a few slight corrections:

    Kerry claims we are fighting on behalf of ISLAM but the fact is that ISLAM is a hateful ideology that has nothing do with God. ISLAM is a manifestation of evil, a vicious terrorist organization and it is an organization that achieves its goals only through violence, repression and destruction. Fed by illicit funding and a stream of foreign fighters, ISLAM has seized territory and terrorized the people who live there regardless of their sect or ethnicity. There is literally no place for their barbarity in the modern world.

    • Periapsis

      Indeed, unless you are referring to the Ninth Circle of Hell, where all the betrayers go in Dante’s Inferno. There indeed is a place for it.

  • 4321realist

    “John Kerry: ISIL a “Hateful Ideology That Has Nothing to Do with Islam”,

    I wonder how he squares what they do with what the Koran dictates?

    The Koran says to kill the non-believer and the infidel. That’s what they’re doing.

    It’s not their interpretation. It is what is written in the Koran.

    And the Koran is the book of Islam.

    I don’t know who is sillier, Kerry or Biden. I wonder if they’re related.

    • Garrett Brown

      TO THE GATES OF HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • Garrett Brown

    There is no such thing as radical Islam, there is only Islam.

    • Petronius

      A moderate Muslim is one who has run out of ammunition.

      • Lagerstrom

        Or an infiltrator.

  • Lion’s Mane

    Although I agree in principle that “There is literally no place for their barbarity in the modern world.” there is something wrong with wording it precisely this way. Liberals are, in effect, suggesting that they have conquered the world — or are about to — and are omnipotent. This means (1) the world of today is fundamentally different in kind from all other ages in history and (2) Liberals have such power that they can play the part of the Almighty. Both of these assertions suggest that the Laws of Nature have been overcome by a political ideology — and this is simply not true. And (3) Liberalism claims that it is the political ideology for all the planet and all the nations. This is highly doubtful.

    We must oppose the spread of violence and evil — and the readers here no doubt do — but not while making mini-gods of ourselves in the process. It is not possible to create a Utopia on planet Earth.

    • MikeofAges

      Well stated. You have nailed what leftism is all about. The ultimate end is to treat society as a product .So many pairs of shoes. So many apples. So many oranges. So many alphas. So many betas. No more. No less. After that, so many with this type of education. So many with that. So much of this sensation. So much of that emotion. No more. No less. Call it Brave New World. If you’re lucky, you’ll be born into 1984 instead. At least you’ll have some small chance of being human albeit if only in a degraded way.

  • Paleoconn

    Why do all these wimpy politicians have to say that?

    Btw, what does the Talmud say about gentiles? I hear it isn’t any kinder than Mohammed’s good book.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    Just another conformation ( as if we needed anymore ) that Washington really is filled to the brim with absolute morons. To say that ISIL / ISIS has nothing to do with Islam. Is like saying the crusades had nothing to do with Christianity. The stupidity of these people seems to grow stronger by the day, they must have been practicing.

  • A Freespeechzone

    I think that both Obama & Kerry should negotiate on the battlefield with ISIS and experience islam firsthand—I’m sure Obama will enjoy the call to prayer; headless.

  • Bill

    Obama and Kerry saying ISIS is not Islamic is moot. They think they are, and are forcing Christians to convert, leave, or die. Trying to kiss the @ss of the rest of Islam just makes them look foolish.

    • Periapsis

      Nay mate, kissing their asses will only get an every growing number of us slain. At least my Ukrainian and Russian ancestors knew what to do, and that was thrust swords through the hearts Muslims when they weren’t decapitating them.

      • Bill

        I probably wasn’t clear. I meant to say ‘Obama and Kerry were trying to kiss their (Islam’s) tail’.

  • RealisticGuy

    The reserves are dwindling and overstated.

    • Ralph Monzo

      And ours in North America are huge and mostly untapped. Let ’em fight!

      • RealisticGuy

        Absolutely. To be honest, if advanced western civilization fell, and we were put back in the dark ages, I’d be happy. I mean yes, it would be a horrible experience for us soft moderners who are used to the creature comforts we’ve created, but suddenly our countries wouldn’t look nearly as attractive to foreigners as they do now. We also wouldn’t be able to afford the minorities already in our midst.

  • tetrapod

    Lurch might be right in principle, but it sure is funny how ISIS types seem to show up wherever you let the muzzies in.

  • [Guest]

    It shows how perverse this nation has become that we’ve heard public figures praising “the religion of peace” endlessly since devout adherents of that religion committed the mass slaughter of September 2001.

    9-11 has proven to be a huge public-relations coup for the Muhammadans.

    It’s madness.

  • Sorry to say American leaders are off their rockers . .

  • OhWow

    Saying Islam has nothing to do with ISIS is like saying football has nothing to do with the NFL.

    Wait…what?

  • Eddie Lutz

    The ancient Jews, Zoroastrians, Byzantines, Persians, Coptic Christians, Hindus, Buddhists, Greeks, etc, etc all must have been experts on Islam’s peaceful nature as well.

  • Neue Sachlichkeit

    John Kerry, we’ve known you are an idiot for a long time. You can stop trying to convince us now.

  • Neue Sachlichkeit

    For peaceful behavior, right? I mean, it has to be that……..right? Why are you looking at me like that?

  • Garrett Brown

    What’s wrong with fascist ideology anyway? it means you notice the change in your traditional country and want to stop it. You don’t like who is in charge.

    • Ralph Monzo

      No. It means you are a slave to a corporate/government coalition that can manipulate you very easily by using economic sanctions, such as food/commodities prices, to starve you into submission.

      • Max

        -and establish a legislating monopoly with a military-police force which can regulate/criminalize every aspect of your existence which might threaten their control of money.

        • Ralph Monzo

          EXACTLY! I find the concept of the political spectrum has been distorted beyond all recognition in the minds of a large portion of Americans. It has been skewed hard to the Left within my lifetime (the last 50 years.) “Public education”= government indoctrination. The unionized teachers have served their socialist masters very well. 😉

      • Garrett Brown

        No, that’s a harsher form of communism.

        • Ralph Monzo

          With communism, the state owns all business; there is no private enterprise. In fascism private corporations and private ownership of business remains intact,but in partnership with and ultimately under the supervision of, the government. You know, much like what is happening in our once great nation as we speak.

          • Garrett Brown

            You’ve been watching Faux News too much, or reading an Jewish written “American” history book. Fascism ideology is to go give the power back to a jonin genius nation through the people, that is to put them all to work to build its strength. Whether that be in militarism, the economy, or industrialization, it is for the growing of the power of the state. What Mussolini did after Italy became an empire has nothing to do with fascism, Italy becoming an empire WAS the fascism.

            Aside from that, if you have any kind of government it’s going to want some kind of authoritarian power. But if that government loves its people and helps his nation thrive into a world power while keeping its borders closed, I personally would have no problem with that.

          • This hearkens back to the philosophical debate of analyzing fascism by looking at fasces — Is it the similarity of the rods, or the tightness of the yoke that bounds them?

            Most people in this world that oppose fascism oppose it because of the similarity of the rods, i.e. they understand fascism as a system that, like you say, is explicitly set up to benefit a particular group of people and usually in a particular place, and that’s what they don’t want, because what they want is human universalism. To those opponents, it does not matter how loose or tight the yoke is.

            About the only anti-fascists who look at it through the lens of the tightness of the yoke are American right-libertarians. And that’s only because historically speaking, the United States could “afford” libertarianism because vast oceans precluded invading armies, our northern neighbor wasn’t belligerent, and our southern neighbors until relatively recently weren’t parasitical, with some exceptions here and there. Meanwhile, in continental Europe, it’s a straight almost flat shot to both the east and the west, easy for invading armies to march. Continental Europe could never afford libertarianism because the threat of real foreign invasion was always present.

          • Garrett Brown

            Very well stated QD. We Americans live in an extremely rare and unique context. We’ve also been brainwashed that anything to do with the other side is “bad mkay?”. The fact is that fascism leads to national socialism and I believe any white country can succeed with that ideology.

          • Actually I’m not way too hung up on ideology or systems, to me it’s a side show. Any polity that has (A) a high average IQ of its people and a requisite respect for scientific progress, (B) Ethnonationalism and group evolutionary strategy, and (C) Internal or proxy access to sufficient if not plentiful land and natural resources, is extremely likely to be prosperous no matter the system. Let me put it to you another way: With A, B and C present, the system makes very little difference, it could make things marginally better or be a hindrance, but rarely can you find a system that totally and permanently wrecks a country that has A, B and C. And there is not an ideology or a system which helps a country become as prosperous anywhere near as much as any one of the A, B or C elements.

            But when A, B, and/or C are repudiated or not present, then the ideology and system choice becomes more crucial.

            Those that tell you that a given abstract ideology or system deserves all the credit for a country being prosperous are throwing the dart against the wall then painting the dartboard around it.

          • Garrett Brown

            I agree. I suppose the difference would be what kind of growth you would want and what kind of safety you wanted for your country. Would you want to go for a militaristic build or just industry and buy allies. As you stated before, it depends on your location in the world. Surely a white nation in the middle of Africa is going to have a stronger military and more of an emphasis on a police state than say Iceland or Norway.

            I suppose my belief would be do you want to be the greatest white nation or in the top 10, or are you content with being mediocre etc. That’s when policies and government systems matter. But again, there are so many factors to consider.

            I guess I support National Socialism because it presses B so strongly no matter what else is happening in that country and I think out of the three qualities you listed, B is the most important/significant. That seems to lead to prosperity in whatever way they deem it acceptable for their country.

          • You need ethnonationalism before you can have national socialism. Implementing the line items of national socialism in a non-ethnonationalist polity won’t magically bring about ethnonationalism.

            I don’t think that any one of A, B or C are that much more or less important than the other two. Can you name a country that is ethnonationalist and has a low IQ and is land and resource poor? I can: Haiti.

          • Garrett Brown

            “You need ethnonationalism before you can have national socialism. ”

            When did I state otherwise? That’s incredibly obvious. Read this again:

            “I guess I support National Socialism because it presses B so strongly”.

            B is more important because without ehtnonationalism you have examples like America, Britain, France, mostly all western countries now a days. No strict borders, disgenics occurring and egalitarianism being pushed so no hopes of trying man made eugenics (gene doping, slective breeding). Without ethnonationalism it also doesn’t matter what resources you have because eventually another ethnic group will take over.

          • I don’t think actually disagree on much here. I think we should wind down this debate before we unnecessarily start hating each other.

            All I’m saying is that national socialism is an abstract ideology. Yes, it depends on concrete nationalism, but at the end of the day, it’s still a system. And it, like any other system, is subject to investigation and debate on its virtues and vices, whether it works or not.

          • Garrett Brown

            Hate each other? Are you okay in the head?

          • Ralph Monzo

            Hitler and Mussolini and Franco, did they ” love their people and help its (sic) nation thrive…?” I learned these things LONG before Fox News ever was thought of. Here’s the legitimate function of government, in case you’ve forgotten: To protect and foster the inalienable rights, and God given freedoms of its citizenry. Seriously, do you know the definition of “authoritarianism” or “fascism?” Because you sure used them both wrongly in your sentences above. “Public education” is probably to blame. Time to read some big boy books on the subject. I’ll be glad to recommend some, if you like. Until then, you’re embarrassing the hell out of yourself… just sayin’…

          • Here’s the legitimate function of government, in case you’ve forgotten: To protect and foster the inalienable rights, and God given freedoms of its citizenry

            Actually, its prime legitimate purpose is the security and well being of the people it serves. And by “people,” I mean in the blood and soil nationalist sense.

            You’re endorsing the “proposition nation” nonsense when you wrote what you just wrote. That said, you should love modern Amurrika.

            Really, what most “rights” or “freedom” obsessed people seem to forget is that that coin has a flip side, that being “responsibilities.” To me, a right is something which fulfills a responsibility, or at the very least is something that isn’t a hindrance in people fulfilling responsibilities.

          • Garrett Brown

            Hitler and Mussolini and Franco, did they ” love their people and help its (sic) nation thrive…?”

            Yes, they did.

            Where did you read your definition of Fascism? I’ll answer for you; an American history book. Wake up, stop being a sheep. Faux News isn’t helping whites, stop watching it.

            If I’m embarrassing myself to someone that has no idea what he’s typing about then forgive me for not caring what so ever.

          • Ralph Monzo

            Another Nazi freak.^^^

          • Garrett Brown

            When you lose the argument, you start calling names.

          • Ralph Monzo

            You ARE a nazi. That’s not name calling, that’s truth telling. You stupid ass. There, that’s name calling.

          • Garrett Brown

            When you can’t accept you’ve lost the debate from calling names, keep calling names.

          • Garrett Brown

            Also, name one government system in existence that doesn’t practice some kind of authoritarianism. I surely hope you’re not going to list a democratic republic.

          • Ralph Monzo

            I surely hope you get an education, you dimwit blowhard. You’re the poster child for misinformation. Better stick to the less educated folks to spread your vile lies and misrepresentations; I’m immune to them.

          • Garrett Brown

            When you lose the debate, start calling names. This was easy.

          • Ralph Monzo

            Was there a debate? I hadn’t noticed. There was only a few totally erroneous statements made by you, me trying to educate you, politely at first, to no avail. Stupid people make me angry, go away, stupid.

          • Garrett Brown

            I’ve made you upset? That was easy lol.

        • Ralph Monzo

          Wrong again. At least you’re consistent.

          • Garrett Brown

            To you I am wrong, but that’s because you’re been brainwashed.

          • Ralph Monzo

            No, pinhead. It’s because I’ve been educated. Piss up a rope.

          • Garrett Brown

            When you’ve been brainwashed, call names.

  • Spikeygrrl

    No need for caution; that toothless dog won’t bite.

  • scutum

    I suppose you can’t expect a moron like John Kerry to be a student of history. But the history of Islam is one of slavery, butchery, rape and discrimination against ALL non-believers. The Buddhists in Burma had the right idea on how to deal with the Muslims in their midst.

  • MikeofAges

    Nothing? Nothing? Islam is both a geopolitical movement and a religion. The ISIS movement has a great deal to with what Islam is. Many Muslims might disagree with ISIS’s methods because they, themsleves, fear living under a tyranny of that magnitude. But how many this side of Kareem Abdul-Jabbar don’t believe in the ideal of Muslim hegemony?

    No, not “nothing”, Mr. Kerry. Try “everything”. Qualify the “everything” if you wish, Mr. Kerry. But it’s still “everything”.

  • Ralph Monzo

    Mr. Secretary should pick up a copy of the Koran, and read it, Then he’ll see that what ISIS is doing is not only encouraged by ‘the prophet…’ it is mandated. And that the ‘moderate’ Muslims are mandated to fund it.

  • Ralph Monzo

    Worldwide government has nothing to do with the boys down at the Masonic Lodge, either, BUT…

  • Ralph Monzo

    We’re getting about 12% of our oil from them these days… Let the Muslims kill each other, but we must continue to help our courageous friends in Israel to protect themselves.

  • Ralph Monzo

    Semantics aside, it is a horrifying, life destroying crime against children, deserving of the death penalty.

  • kikz2

    ……..neither does female genital mutilation, acid baths, honor killings, or death to the infidel…..

  • WR_the_realist

    Islam spread in the first place through conquest and forced conversions of the conquered people. So while ISIS is so extreme that even the Iranians hate them, they are still very much of what Islam is about.

  • Max

    In what way have we brought “stability” since the whole [email protected]#$ started in ’53 when we overthrew the gummint of Iran?
    It is a hole in the sand into which we endlessly pour blood and money. The money wasted in 50 years would buy a lot of crude, natural gas or fund a lot of development of something else entirely.

  • Garrett Brown

    Fascism doesn’t automatically mean there would be an authoritarian government.

    • Ralph Monzo

      Pahahahahahahaha!!!^^^

      • Garrett Brown

        Well that was an easy victory.

        • Ralph Monzo

          Sad that would count as victory in any American’s book… Name an instance where fascism ruled under any other form of government than authoritarianism. Fascism is by definition, authoritarian.

  • disqus_irCdmAu8It

    Lurch is a complete idiot. He press staff work ceaselessly to counter the fact he is a buffoon.

  • jackryanvb

    Today Obama, who has been basically OK, not bad on foreign policy, foreign wars – seemed to fall back in to Neo Conservative war against everybody insanity.

    Obama and the Brits were supposedly responding to the ISIL beheading American and British hostages. Most regular White Americans White Brits don’t like nasty, Islamic extremists kidnapping and throat cutting/beheading American and British hostages. OK, so there is talk of American military and British military responding to ISIL extremists in ME, doing other nasty things like genocide of Christians, slavery etc.

    But, today, Obama does a complete 180 degrees George Bush style spin threatening all out war against secular Syria’s Assad – the main force on the ground actually fighting the throat cutting, beheading ISIL Islamic extremists. Why?

    Why not?!

    looks like Dick Channey and the Jewish Neo Conservatives – “WAR EVERYWHERE”, Regime change folks are back calling the shots.

    What a world.

  • jackryanvb

    Regular White people all over the world fear and despise nasty, non White Muslims. The only White Muslims (Bosnians) are considered traitors, which they were/are. A small, dysfunctional cult of American WN Jew haters think they/we can form effective alliances with Muslims against various anti White Jewish forces (Neo Conservatism, Marxists, feminists, Zionists, the Porn industry, Hollywood etc), but these dysfunctional Jew haters have nothing to show for their pro Muslim actions. My advice is to just accept the reality that “We ain’t Muslim” . Make bad, throat cutting, beheading, enslaving, soap avoiding Muslims the propaganda enemy. Bad Muslims are the #1 reason to enact strict immigration controls. The Swiss People’s Party did this and now the Swiss People’s Party is the #1 party in Switzerland. The French National Front does this and they are pushing to be the #1 party in France. Why make things complicated? Go with what works.