Saying ‘I Do’ Because of Similar DNA?

Dennis Thompson, WebMD, May 19, 2014

Married couples typically have a lot in common, and researchers now say that may extend to their genes.

Spouses tend to be more genetically similar than two people chosen off the street at random, according to a new study.

It’s likely this is because people who are genetically similar have more opportunities to meet and mate–in other words, “birds of a feather flock together,” said lead author Benjamin Domingue, a research associate at the University of Colorado-Boulder’s Institute of Behavioral Science.

“Genes drive so many things that can structure opportunities and outcomes that determine who we mate,” Domingue said. For example, genes may determine whether your potential partner shares your height or weight, or your ethnic background, religion or level of education.

Domingue and his colleagues examined the genetics of 825 white heterosexual American married couples, comparing 1.7 million potential points of genetic similarity.

The results, published May 19 in the Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences, found that spouses share a significant number of genetic similarities, compared to any two random individuals.

This conclusion could end up changing the statistical models scientists use to understand genetic differences between human populations, because such models often assume random mating, the researchers said.

The similarity between married folks is not nearly as deep as that between siblings, though.

“Siblings share on average about half their genes, and even within siblings there is variation on that between 40 percent to 60 percent,” Domingue said. “The ranges we’re looking at between a married couple are much, much smaller, but you do see that spouses share similarities.”

The tendency to marry someone genetically similar also is slimmer than the tendency to marry someone with a similar level of education. Genetic similarity between spouses carries about one-third the strength of educational similarity, the researchers report.

Married couples likely have similar genetic traits because their genes helped determine whom they would meet during their lives, Domingue said.

“People with more similar genes end up having similar education, which places them in the same social situations and gives them a better chance to mate,” he said.

People also tend to marry those similar to themselves in terms of race, ethnicity and even body size and shape. Genes may also shape even more subtle biological distinctions that draw people together in ways we don’t yet understand, Domingue added.

At least one expert is skeptical of the researchers’ conclusions.

Since these life circumstances play a large role in determining lifelong partners, it may be misleading to say people choose spouses based on genetic similarity, said Neil Risch, director of the Center for Human Genetics at the University of California, San Francisco.

“This [study] seems to suggest that mate choice is based on genes. The genes are, in a sense, a bystander,” said Risch, who is also president-elect of the American Society of Human Genetics.

“Historically, in a highly ethnically and geographically structured population, say Chicago, it might have been the case that Eastern Europeans only married other Eastern Europeans, Southern Europeans only married Southern Europeans, and Northern Europeans only married Northern Europeans,” he continued.

“This would lead to significant correlations for genetic factors differentiating these ethnic groups, but has nothing to do with any traits or characteristics which underlie mate choice,” he said. “It may be simply more an issue of local geography.”

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  • dd121

    Most people like to marry someone who looks like them. Perfectly normal.

    • Dark Crisis

      Well when you’ve got good European looks it makes no sense to do otherwise.

      • SpawnTaviousBlackness

        And one’s children will look like them too and that is very important. I notice that I feel happy to see white toddlers while I feel hostile towards black and mexican toddlers. Asian toddlers are as if they were invisible, I don’t feel one way or the other.

        • IstvanIN

          I have been told my face absolutely lights up at the sight of a White baby.

          • ElComadreja

            It’s a perfectly normal response.

        • hastings88

          I can’t stop the feeling that whenever I see a black toddler the child seems to have a more confused and less intelligent facial expression than white babies. It’s never a look of curiosity. This occurred to me even when I considered myself a color-blind liberal. We have an extremely intelligent 3-year old in our family, and she always had a long attention span, as if she were already contemplating things. Don’t tell me I’m wrong. One can detect intelligence in small children by their expressions and behaviors. Either that or I have always been a racist! Ha ha. Don’t care.

    • David Ashton

      Speaking for myself I have always preferred females who are beautiful and very feminine, and therefore do not look much like me; my wife doesn’t look like me, and I don’t know many couples who actually resemble each other facially, except in the very broad sense of shared “ethnic” ancestry – people of Derbyshire look quite different than those of Norfolk. On the other hand, the phenomenon of assortative mating where choices are wide and free is well established sociologically, notably in areas like intelligence and values.

      • dd121

        I think you’re right about selecting for intelligence. Where there’s a big mismatch there the marriages often get into trouble.

        • Martel

          The article “Miscengenation; a severe health risk for white females” explains some of the issues “mismatches” face.

        • ncpride

          I agree. When my brainiac daughter showed me the FB page of a young man she wanted permission to date, I was taken aback by his ‘bad boy’ rocker looks, wondering what in the world they would have in common until we actually met him in person. It was clear from the beginning that he is an extremely intelligent, well mannered guy which explains her attraction to him. The best chance for a successful relationship is when like marry like.

      • LovelyNordicHeidi

        The author said “genetically similar”, so it does not necessarily mean that we have to look like each other’s clones, but it got me thinking….. All my ancestors have blonde hair and most of them blue eyes….. Did they select each other on purpose? That question never really crossed my mind, but the answer is obvious now.

        I think I do not “facially” resemble my husband. Our faces are really different, so I think that your observation applies to Europeans more generally. We choose partners who are genetically similar to ourselves, but this does not necessarily mean that we look like each other’s clones.

        Speaking of face, I remember your “face as a social construct” comment now. I thought it was funny, so I will reproduce it here:

        Face hate.

        Face as a social construct.

        Facial equality.

        The Myth of Face.

        Face does not exist.

        • silviosilver

          If you disagree are you a ‘fascist’?

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            No. If you do not believe in facial equality, then you are a facist!

        • David Ashton

          On reflection I would have to qualify my assertion about assortative mating. Some communities arrange marriages and the partners have to put up with parental choice, although this can be more considerate than haphazard “sex”. Others have an excessive amount of male promiscuity which will go for whatever females are available with little thought for the morrow of any offspring. Much depends on the social circles in which men and women move, as with Jewish or Mormon youth clubs.

          I have “fallen deeply in love” with several young ladies in past years, one of them a strikingly beautiful blonde and two others who were brunettes, none of them notably similar in facial structure. My wife has blue eyes and light brown hair, but what has kept us together has included similarity of values and our children.

          • Martel

            You only know for sure if you have both your DNA profiles analysed.

          • David Ashton

            There is a case against marriage between people much too closely related genetically.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            The Icelandic population is the most genetically similar population on earth. There are no genetic problems there. In fact, they are thriving. This runs counter to leftist anti-homogeneity or anti-monoculturalist dogmas.

          • David Ashton

            The population is of sufficient size. Also, much depends on the quality of the founder population, very high in this case. Close endogamy runs the risk of concentrating genetic weaknesses, and wide exogamy runs the risk of creating genetic disharmonies.

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            True. It is about sufficient size. It is, moreover, important to emphasise that if people can be too closely related to marry each other, then this does not necessarily justify miscegenation.

            Leftists love using universals to justify particulars:

            A) Change is inevitable. Whites will become a minority in the USA.

            B) Genetic diversity is good. Miscegenation is good.

            Back to the Icelandic population, Icelanders are almost genetic clones of each other. If I recall correctly, scientists are quite amazed about this, because they did not think this was possible without genetic defects. I take the “sufficient size” concept with a grain of salt.

            I am not sure yet what exactly defines or constitutes that sufficiency, but I do already have some ideas. Those ideas might be challenged by new data, and I hope to get a more definite answer to the question: What population size is the absolute minimum for a population to be viable?

            Anna Tree gave me a figure of 10,000, but I have suspicions it might be lower. Nevertheless, the number of 10,000 is already low enough to argue that miscegenation is completely unnecessary for keeping any White population viable. I think that such pro-miscegenation arguments are wishful thinking on the part of miscegenationists.

            Like drug addicts, they are seeking to rationalise their actions. Constructing arguments which justify miscegenation is emotionally pleasing to them. I think that anyone who says that miscegenation is OK is not really helping with preserving our genetic heritage. Moreover, while I have seen no valid arguments against race, I have also seen no valid arguments for miscegenation.

          • David Ashton

            Agreed.

          • David Ashton

            Agreed.

      • MBlanc46

        “[F]emales of Derbyshire look quite different than those in Norfolk”.

        I’d enjoy hearing you elaborate on this some time.

        • DaveMed

          He may or may not be able to, but I have found, for example, that I can spot those of Irish descent very accurately. I’m not sure what it is exactly…

          Some traits are hard to describe.

        • David Ashton

          I must be tactful here. Suffice to say Norfolk girls are rather more gracile of leg and jawline.

          • MBlanc46

            And is it only Derbyshire and Norfolk girls that are distinguishable, or can you distinguish, say, a Yorkshire lass from a Devon darlin’?

          • David Ashton

            I know those counties, and London, best. My Dad was a Devonian but married a girl from Berkshire. I have not “done a Galton” and toured the kingdom taking statistics on female pulchritude!

          • kikz2

            Aren’t you making distinction between roundheads v longfaces, then?

          • David Ashton

            Possibly – I am not going to dig out the ethnoscopic data. I prefer not to make comments about my Derby friends.

          • MBlanc46

            I suppose that the UK is becoming homogenized along with the rest of the world, but my understanding is that there used to be considerable regional variation. I remember, when I was hitch-hiking in Britain in the 1970s, being picked up by people who were obviously English speakers, but of whom I could scarcely understand a word they said. I still have some tapes of a Radio 4 series of English dialects from the mid-eighties. It was claimed that in the 19th and early 20th centuries knowledgeable listeners could pick out the speech of a particular village. Your comment reminded me of that. Regional variations in feminine pulchritude could be very worthwhile project.

          • David Ashton

            Still true in some places, and English visitors sometimes find cold welcome in parts of Wales and Scotland. The BBC has tended to iron out variation, first by the Queen’s English and lately by a general Estuary accent.

            Your final suggestion might have great appeal to a roving team of rich young American men armed with cameras (and condoms).

          • MBlanc46

            Alas, I’m not rich and no longer young. And my wife doubtless would disapprove.

    • SpawnTaviousBlackness

      those who miscegenate almost always do so for reasons of insecurity and power. They feel superior to their different race spouse, they are too insecure to feel equal to a spouse of their same race.

      • ElComadreja

        I have never seen a healthy black/white relationship.

    • Paul

      Then why do blacks only want white women if they can get them?

      • ElComadreja

        Have you taken a good look at black females?

      • Magician

        “Then why do blacks only want white women if they can get them?”

        Black men like women who look like their mothers (very large buttocks) and that also explains why the type of white women they date, also happen to be very obese.

        • Paul

          take a look at wealthy blacks. They do not date fat-asses. Whether they be white or black ones.

  • This is just common sense. For marriages to work, Mr. and Mrs. have to have something in common that goes far beyond the bedroom. Eventually, the sex doesn’t become as good anymore, and all of a sudden you figure out you’re married to this person, so the two of you better have had something in common before you got married.

    • Pro_Whitey

      So true. Compatibility in many aspects of life makes a marriage go much smoother, especially, as you say, when the lust abates.

  • Nevsky

    Is it just me, or does it seem like science is lately confirming what used to be considered common sense?

    • Pro_Whitey

      Yes, the leftists really did a number on our educational institutions and texts, so we end up having to learn again what we once knew. I have come to realize that many times.

      • silviosilver

        It’s unreal. You spend some 12-20 years being ‘educated’ and then you have to spend another 12-20 years unlearning the falsehoods you were taught.

    • RyanP

      I heard a saying once that went something like this: “Most studies are either wrong or confirm what your grandmother already knew”

  • JohnEngelman

    Friendships are based on common interests and shared values.

    In addition, highly desirable men marry highly desirable women. Slightly less desirable men marry slightly less desirable women, and so on down the line.

    All of these factors have genetic components, even across racial lines.

    • SpawnTaviousBlackness

      soo-wah-tay Koh-doo-sigh

    • Paul

      Why do all your successful kinsmen go for White women John?

      • Bismarckian

        White men with Christian ancestry frequently marry White women with Jewish ancestry. For example:

        -Ashton Kutcher & Mila Kunis
        -Daniel Craig and Rachael Weisz
        -Chris Martin and Gwenyth Paltrow
        -Ryan Reynolds and Scarlett Johansson

        This is because non-orthodox Whites with Jewish ancestry intermarry with spouses of other religions at a rate of 71%.

        71% is probably similar to the rate that, e.g., Whites with Italian ancestry marry non-Italians.

        (Source: Google search for “Jewish 71 percent.”)

        • David Ashton

          These actresses cited are attractive in their own right, and Tinsel Town is the playground of celebrity rich. Golda Meir was a special case.

          • Bismarckian

            David Ashton: Thanks for your comment. This is my first time commenting, but I’ve appreciated yours in the past.

            Golda Meir was selected for her ability to become the “iron lady” of her nation, not for her ability to trade attractiveness in exchange for resources from men. Good for her for building a path for herself.

            But today, the vast majority of Whites with Jewish ancestry have more Christian ancestry than Jewish ancestry. It’s counter-intuitive:

            1. If 2 million Jews (29% of Jewish-Americans) marry each other and have 2 kids, they’ll have 2 million Jewish children, 1 for each parent.
            2. But if the other 5 million Jews (71% of Jewish-Americans) marry Christians and have 2 kids, that creates 10 million half-Jews, since they’re married to 5 million Christians, and there’s 1 child for each parent.
            3. Thus, an amazing 10/12ths of the next generation of Whites with Jewish ancestry (or around there, anyway) will be half Christian. (But many of those Whites with Jewish ancestry were already half Christian, so their children would be 25% Jewish, as was, e.g., Arthur Jensen.)

            And even many pure-bred Jews, like Zuckerberg and Spielberg, have significant Christian admixture over the last thousand years or so, so someone who’s 50-50 Christian and Jewish has more Christian ancestry than Jewish ancestry.

          • David Ashton

            “Religion” as/and “ancestry” make more sense to Jews than to Christians. Politically I support Jews who support my cause and oppose Jews who oppose my cause, however few or many in either case. My position may not please everyone, to say the least, but there you are.

  • Einsatzgrenadier

    A nation works best when its citizens are closely genetically related to each other. This is why the future of multicultural third world America will be one soaked in blood.

    • IstvanIN

      Transplants work better, too.

    • silviosilver

      I don’t know. If you look at Latin America most of it is insanely violent, but people aren’t killing each other for racial reasons.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        You’re wrong. There has been racial violence, even full-blown race war, all throughout Latin American history, especially in places such as Peru, Argentina, Mexico, Cuba, Brazil, El Salvador, and Guatemala. In Chiapas, Mexico, there have been counter-insurgency operations against the Mayan Indian Zapatistas.

        Ethnoracial diversity always leads to ethnoracial violence. This holds true regardless of where you are on the planet.

        • silviosilver

          There has been what could be called a race war in central America. I think you’re exaggerating the other cases. Which are the incidents in Brazil and Argentina you’re referring to?

          Any time you have a racial mix there’s always the possibility that things could escalate to race war, so I agree with you there. But you also have to consider the developmental trends which are making such an event more likely or less. Right now there doesn’t seem to be any racial pattern to the violence at all (apart from the fact that, as everywhere, blacks commit and suffer from disproportionate amounts of it).

          The only potential hotspot from a race war standpoint would be Bolivia, where ‘whites’ (by their definition) and mestizos in the east are unhappy with the leftwing indio government of Evo Morales. For now his rule not been outrageous. Like most leftist governments in L. America for the past decade his policies have helped instill some more equity into the social order, much the way leftwing reformers in Europe did a hundred years ago. It’s possible he’ll push too far though — lefties always do — and that may provoke some serious racial stirrings. One to keep an eye on, if you’re interested in these things.

      • SentryattheGate

        The rate of domestic violence among Hispanic Americans is 4 times that of Caucasian Americans, and twice the rate among black Americans. They are a machismo culture (glorifying power over others, esp. women). They like their blood sports; bull-fighting, dogfighting and cock fighting.

        • ElComadreja

          Twice as violent as blacks and we’re letting them flood the country. Real smart. They love their gangs too.

  • Marrying and mating may be two different things. The white male attraction to the pan-faced, flat butted Asian female puzzles me, since I never found them attractive. Some white men marry these sexless copies of 13 year old boys and produce gooky-looking offspring.

    I find the attraction to the Mexican female more understandable. She has some euro genes, possibly a lot, plus she’s feminine and curvy. They’re not all dark, short, and fat. And one’s offspring may actually look like you when you marry a Mexican.

    I wonder how common it is for white males to sow their wild oats with Asians and Mexicans and then settle down and marry a white woman? Does it matter if they had partners of other ethnic groups when young men?

    • So CAL Snowman

      One of my buddies in college used to date the most butt ugly Asian girls, and I do mean butt ugly. He said he liked to have sex with unattractive Asian girls because he thought that they were not into sex. For some reason this was a huge turn on for him.

      • Magician

        Is your buddy’s name Mark by any chance?

        • Korean guy

          🙂

    • Bossman

      Yes, I too wonder about white men who marry vapid, shapeless East Asian women.

      • Martel

        Everyone who appreciates actual women wonders why.

        • IstvanIN

          It does become a bit cringe worthy, at least to me, to have so many viscous, aren’t they all ugly, posts. I think it makes us look petty. I don’t find their featureless faces very attractive myself but beating up on these woman is kid of mean spirited. Remember we need to attract people to our side. Just a thought.

          • DaveMed

            I do wish Jared Taylor would write a post reminding commenters to exercise some restraint.

            It shouldn’t be necessary for adults, but it seems that it is.

          • PvtCharlieSlate

            Agree totally.
            When we’re posting back and forth here there ought to be a little voice in the back our minds reminding us that what we write is going to be also read by people who are here for the first time and are potential converts.
            BTW, one of the most attractive women I have ever met was a Phillipina who was Asian/Spanish. A heart-stoppingly artful tall arrangement of concave and convex and nothing planar at all. Had a great personality, too.

          • David Ashton

            It is possible to find some white women ugly and some non-white women beautiful. This is a separate issue from the desirability of miscegenation.

          • Martel

            Too many white men date Asian women, likely because dating a modern white woman is too difficult for them. I wish to attract people to our side, but I also mind losing them through admixture.

          • David Ashton

            Western feminism has interfered with the mutual attraction process (as intended by some). Women become aggressive competitors with men in the economy and resent being “mastered” in the bedroom. However, the docile domestic from Manila ordered on the internet can turn into the Dragon Lady who wants more than a Passport to Pimlico.

          • Martel

            When white men start to adopt their natural role again, genetic similarity will again be the basis of most relationships.

          • JohnEngelman

            Since 1980 the rate of interracial marriage has more than doubled. If things continue at this rate by the end of this century all marriages will be interracial.

            That won’t happen, of course. Nevertheless, interracial marriage is the coming trend.

          • Martel

            A low level of interracial relationships can be ecpected., it is peaking, and will decrease as racial tensions inevitable rise. Whites who live in areas where they are a minority are the most likely to engage in miscegenation, for a lack of suitable partners. Your own fantasies cloud your judgment on this matter.

          • JohnEngelman

            Interracial tensions are not rising. Since 1991 the rate of violent crime has declined. There have not been black ghetto riots of any significance since 1992.

            There is certainly no reason the rate of interracial marriage between Orientals, East Indians, and whites will decline. Those groups get along well together.

          • Martel

            Tensions are clearly rising, there have been numerous minor riots in which whites have been attacked in the last few years alone. There are many variables which you can use to verify tensions are rising, but the most important fact is that racial inequality is natural. This will always be a source of tension, and this will always turn into ethnic conflict, this is inevitable.Orientals and Europeans do not get along, both prefer segregation.

          • I hope this never becomes interspecies marriage, Everyone knows what I mean.

          • IstvanIN

            I thought Muslims already married goats?

          • Magician

            “Too many white men date Asian women, likely because dating a modern white woman is too difficult for them. ”

            And many Asian women in the arms of white men look like this

        • Mike

          It’s because Asians are the least aggressive race and so the women are the most passive. And since white men are more pacified and effeminate than ever and white women more masculinized it’s easier for them to attract and keep an Asian woman than a white woman

      • zyzyzy

        I think it is because the Media has done a brainwash on white women, turning them against white men. I have seen numerous examples of this. Meanwhile, asian women tend to be more submissive and receptive to white males. Mexican women are often similar. They consider a white male as a prize as opposed to an oppressor. They understand he will protect and provide for her and give her fine semi white children with lighter skin and good IQs. Too many white women consider WMs as the enemy.

      • David Ashton

        In Britain they get them off the internet in late middle age.

      • JohnEngelman

        Professor J. Philippe Rushton said that Oriental women have less testosterone than white women. That probably has something to do with it. They act and look more feminine.

        • Magician

          John, Just curious,

          Are you married at the moment? If yes, is she Chinese or Jewish?

          And if you are not married at the moment, do you plan to marry a Chinese or a Jewish woman?

      • Guest

        “shapeless East Asian women”

        Many skinny white women also have very small breasts unless she had a surgery to enhance her body. And that does not mean there is something wrong with her body. If there is a skinny woman who also happens to have large breasts, she is the one who is abnormal. Even many white Hollywood actresses have very small breasts. If you cannot believe me, look up for photos of Kate Hudson and Keira Knightley.

    • SpawnTaviousBlackness

      I agree with you in general, but there are some exceptions. IT is a misconception that all asians look similar and have the flat face. There are a small number of Chinese and a generous number of Japanese that are not so “severely asian”.

    • MBlanc46

      Have known some gorgeous Mexican females (although the most gorgeous was of French ancestry). That said, some of those East Asian women (especially Japanese) are absolutely stunning in my opinion. They don’t have the hourglass figure that we historically associated with attractive women (doubtless 100% politically incorrect now) but those kewpie doll faces can turn me to jelly.

      • JohnEngelman

        I first learned that Oriental’s existed when I was about seven years old. I was watching a documentary on Japanese school children. I thought, “With white girls some are pretty, and some are not. With Oriental girls all are pretty.”

        • Magician

          “With Oriental girls all are pretty.”

          ……

        • MBlanc46

          Or, as a former co-worker of mine said about East Asian women, rather more crudely, “No dogs”.

      • Mike

        I think there’s some evidence that genetic distance between parents results in more attractive facial features.

    • I married a Japanese lady, and our daughter looks so much like me that Sayaka and I joke about wondering who Ariadne’s mother was.

    • Magician

      I read that many black men actually prefer obese white women to skinny white women because they grew up around women with very large butts.

      • FR27

        Notice that the ones that marry black women almost always marry “lighter-skinned” black women with noticeable Caucasoid influences in their facial features. They tend to prefer ‘black’ women that have significant amounts of white blood in them. It is extremely rare to see them with a near-pure Negroid black woman that is as black as the players themselves are.

    • ElComadreja

      If it resulted in children it does.

    • tetrapod

      I’m a British Isles mongrel and I think Greco-Italian types are the most attractive. Asian women can be hot as long as they have some meat on their bones. The boyish SE Asian/Indonesian types are a turnoff. I’ve also known some cute, sweet-tempered black girls too, but not that many. Sorry to say, Australian aborigines seem like a different species.

  • Conrad

    Logic.
    Reason.
    Eugenics.
    In other words, breed for success.

  • Martel

    Definitely.

  • Okay, I’ll give you an up vote. Even though your situation is probably unique.

    All I’m saying is that a married couple will spend 99.9-something percent of their lives together doing something other than sex.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Dunno about that. I’m 60 (been married for 15 years now) and I am more fulfilled with my eastern European wife than ever before in my life. No heart disease or serious illness, knock on wood (pun intended).

  • SpawnTaviousBlackness

    I hope you didn’t make a typo about your description, the world may need more gingers but it doesn’t need any more …..

  • SpawnTaviousBlackness

    a legend in your own mind, thanks for sharing

  • IstvanIN

    I wonder how true this is. I know plenty of Irish/Italian, English/Italian, Polish/Italian and assorted Hungarian/other White pairing. In my family, I was the last person to marry “semi in the tribe” so to speak, and my wife was Irish/Hungarian. Of course my observations are not a scientific sampling.

    • Mike

      I was thinking the same thing but maybe what it is is that whites are all so genetically similar to each other.

  • JackKrak

    So articles that strongly suggest that we can identify a genetic basis for something as specific as marriage decisions are ok for general media publication but any suggestion about a genetic basis for intelligence in the most general terms is off-limits?

    Oh, ok.

  • Nancy

    Interesting…I find that all other mediocre children pale in comparison to my own beautiful, brilliant offspring. (Perhaps I’m biased…but I don’t think so.)

  • SpawnTaviousBlackness

    I repeat, I feel hostile towards mestizo and Indian toddlers.

  • paul marchand

    * * * Reasons I can think of miscegenation occurring:
    1* legitimate love
    2* drug manipulation
    3* youthful naivete’
    4* misplaced sports hero worship
    5* rebellious nature
    6* money
    7* lack of recognition of dangers of interracial mixing (largely due to media non-coverage)
    Quick examination of the above…
    1) who can complain?
    2) blacks are about 10 times (using “disinterested” HIV figures, and from first-hand empirical evidence relayed to me) more likely to be IDUs, and distributors
    3) public schools : democrats love to mix mix mix, before a white girl has a brain
    4) sports heroes are over-rated. Some are great guys, some are thugs
    5) dumb white girls. Usually do drugs, smoke, tats, dress skimpily, etc.
    6) whoring. Also, the federal government is contributory with 2 sets of rules with affirmative action and quotas, not to mention forcing landlords (lest fined big $$ ) to allow almost any thug in
    7) b>w rape is 1000 x’s the opposite, black murder about 10 times that of whites, IDU about 10x, HIV about 7x, low academic performance.

  • George Washer

    It is always amazing how liberals just cannot comprehend any fact that isn’t in lock step with their rigid ideology.

    • JohnEngelman

      The same thing can be said of ideologues on the right. Most people allow their likes and dislikes to influence their judgment of what is true and false. I do too, but I try not to.

  • paul marchand

    Divide and conquer. Should we count the ways?

  • none of your business

    I read the thread but just scrolled past whatever pompous nonsense engleman wrote.

    • He tries hard, but becomes overcarried.

    • JohnEngelman

      There are none so ignorant as those who will not learn.

      • Magician

        In my case I do read each and every post from you. We all need a comic relief in our lives. And it is not like you are rude to others here.

  • Korean guy

    I went with a few people from my church to Maneadero in Mexico located below San Jose, to spend time with the local children for ten days, play games with them, give them snacks and presents, and so on,

    And it will always be one of the greatest experiences in my life.

    Some things I remember –

    Children like the same things, and are rejoiced by the same things no matter where they are from!!! Korea… USA… Canada… Mexico… does not matter.

    I and others who came to Maneadero were divided into groups of two or three. Each group had to include at least one female teacher. We walked around the village to knock on random doors and tell the children to come with us to play games with us and receive presents and snacks from us.

    I placed a little girl on top of my shoulders so I can bring her to the community centre. She was too small to walk along with me at our pace. When I placed her on top of my shoulders, I heard her giggle very happily. That is when I felt, all children around the world are the same!

    And half the children were dark-skinned, and the rest were light skinned, and you can call me a pedophile if you want but, some of the local girls looked amazing.

    The children called me, “Maestro Roberto~~”

    I also remember having a plenty of tacos. Rules when eating a taco – finish within two bites. I heard some of the tacos I ate contained “shark meat”.

    In downtown Maneadero there were most things we commonly see in North America such as StarBucks, McDonald’s, and so on. In tourist areas, there were a lot of vendors who sold silly things, but I guess it is like that in every tourist area in this world.

    There were just as many dogs as there were residents in the village. In the building where I stayed in, there were about five dogs.

  • ElComadreja

    Ginger could be an anagram. Think about it.

  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    I am for the almost complete opposite of your opinions. You have the right to have and express those opinions, like I have the right to disagree. The only thing that I might oppose is marriage between cousins, but that is, in fact, the least of my worries. I see that you have no tribal, ethnic and racial identity, otherwise you would oppose intermarriage between tribes, ethnicities and races. I disagree with you that intermarriage is good. Leftist lies. Simple as that. I am not going to make an effort here to debunk the “diversity of genes is good, therefore we need intermarriage” type of argument, because that argument uses a universal to justify a particular.

    To quote you:

    “If they were to ban interracial marriage, they could use that logic to also ban interethnic marriage (say, between Germans and Spaniards). If they banned interethnic marriage, they could use that logic also ban intertribal marriage (say, between Prussians and Bavarians, or between Castillians and Galicians). If they banned intertribal marriage they would use the same logic to encourage cousin marriage. If White people practised cousin marriage en masse, Western nations would eventually resemble Middle Eastern hellholes in social structure.”

    You know what is the most striking logical fallacy in that text?

    It is a slippery slope.

    • FR27

      What would be the logical fallacy? That we shouldn’t ban animal-human marriage on the same logic? Or ban polygamy on the same logic?

  • Magician

    “I would rather marry an Asian or Jewish man than marry my cousin and subject any future children to horrible genetic defects.”

    We have a girl version of Engelman here

  • David Ashton

    Some lighter-skinned “higher-caste” Indian girls, like Italians, can be feminine and pretty. However, I personally do not support white men marrying or chasing non-white women. There are some very beautiful white girls here in Norfolk, but like MBlanc46 I am not rich, young or single. Not to say I haven’t committed “adultery in my heart” from time to time.

  • FR27

    I just don’t see how your point is really valid. It is a reductio ad absurdum. When white countries banned inter-racial marriage it was never taken to such extremes as to banning German-Spanish marriage or forcing consanguineous marriage.

    The segregationist South didn’t ban marriage between Anglos and French (Louisiana). South Africa didn’t ban marriage between Anglos and Dutch. And in Nazi Germany, the racial marriage laws were applied to mixing with Jews, not with other Europeans.

    • LovelyNordicHeidi

      Good points. There has been an “unwritten law” to not marry other ethnicities, though. Mixing with other ethnicitis was taboo or undesirable. If you want to have a discussion with me on my posts, then look into my Disqus history and find a non-AR thread where I posted.