‘Shocked’ Anti-Defamation League Slaps FBI ‘Diss on Hate Crimes

Paul Bedard, Washington Examiner, March 27, 2014

The Southern Poverty Law Center, which has labeled several Washington, D.C.-based family organizations as “hate groups” for favoring traditional marriage, has been dumped as a “resource” on the FBI’s Hate Crime Web page, a significant rejection of the influential legal group.

The Web page scrubbing, which also included eliminating the Anti-Defamation League, was not announced and came in the last month after 15 family groups pressed Attorney General Eric Holder and FBI Director James Comey to stop endorsing a group–SPLC–that inspired a recent case of domestic terrorism at the Family Research Council.

“We commend the FBI for removing website links to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that not only dispenses erroneous data but has been linked to domestic terrorism in federal court. We hope this means the FBI leadership will avoid any kind of partnership with the SPLC,” Tony Perkins, FRC President, told Secrets.

“The Southern Poverty Law Center’s mission to push anti-Christian propaganda is inconsistent with the mission of both the military and the FBI, which is to defend and uphold the Constitution of the United States,” he added.

The Anti-Defamation League, however, was “shocked” by the FBI’s move, made without any notice. It’s work with the FBI has not been questioned.

Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, told Secrets, “We are shocked, surprised and disappointed that this would be done without any consultation with groups such as ours who have been working closely with the Federal Bureau of Investigation on issues of hate crime. We look forward to having further conversations with them on this issue.”


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  • MekongDelta69

    Too bad Morris $leaze, Potok and Foxman.

    Somebody actually did something good for once, in this upside-down world of insanity.

    • joesolargenius

      I agree but also believe this may be a move by the Democrats to try and retain more of their people in both the AG office and the FBI after they lose the 2016 election.
      They have sacrificed a couple of Dem politicians recently and the FBI would only go after Yee if they had Erica ‘s permission to do so.

  • Your choice:

    • IstvanIN

      No manischewitz?

      • Luca

        Engelman drank the last bottle.

        • StillModerated

          There’s still some nice kosher Mogen-David 20-20 for his nibs!

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you, but I prefer wine imported from Israel.

          • blight14


          • JohnEngelman


            I do not keep a kosher kitchen, but I do look for food that has been kosher certified. The Chock full o’ Nuts coffee I am drinking right now has been.

          • When it comes to imports, Australian and Chilean wines are great value for money these days.

          • JohnEngelman

            Thanks for the advice.

          • Some Guy

            I meant GREATER value.

        • BonV.Vant

          washed down his kung pow latkes with it

        • Paleoconn

          Awesome! The correct spelling is $PLC. Steve Sailer I believe did a column once on the palatial digs of Dees. How perverse that this outfit has poverty in its name. It is a naked racket used to shake down Whites and White businesses. Dees and Tim Wise live in Whitopias far away from the diversity they endorse and push on everybody else.

      • sbuffalonative

        Mogen David Concord Red wine, which is made from must of no less than 51% Concord grapes (an American grape variety, typically used for grape juices, jellies, and preserves; but also used for kosher wines. This makes the wine less expensive, averaging $5 per bottle)

    • AndrewInterrupted

      The minority occupation government is so full of political and media hustlers, I’m trying to figure out what this really means. Maybe they are trying to soften the 2014 election results by soothing the enraged Right? Maybe they smell the same Repug landslide? I found the FBI to be just as political as all the rest.

      Any time you feel like celebrating you find out you’ve been duped. Just like the New Haven-20 fire department SCOTUS “victory”. Now NYC and other fire departments have quotas.

      What’s really happening here?

      • Steven Bannister

        It’s a good thing, enjoy the moment.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          It’s a sucker punch, designed to slow the Repugs momentum: the false impression of some objectivity and fairness towards whites. It’s a political sucker punch. It’s Holder’s version of the knock-out game.

          • Steven Bannister

            I look at it this way: Anytime the SPLC is quote, “shocked, surprised and disappointed” that’s a good thing.

          • Katherine McChesney

            The quote came from the ADL.

          • gregCall

            Even better.

        • sbuffalonative

          I suspect they’ll lobby their buddies in Congress to reverse this decision. I don’t believe this is over.

          • libertarian1234

            I don’t believe it’s over either.

            I think we can look for these miscreants from both organizations to employ every devious method they can think of to try to flim flam or force the FBI into restating them.

            What I can’t understand is why more people and organizations aren’t suing these dregs. God only knows they commit a ton of civil torts that can be aired in the courts, and the patriot movement has a plethora of pro se litigants who are highly qualified paralegals.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            Bon from Babble points out that the FBI site still shows their presence. There is probably nothing for Congress to reverse. Just a public relations stunt to fool a few voters into thinking the ‘…minority occupation government…’ isn’t really an anti-white hating machine. I know they are. They haven’t fooled me.

      • sbuffalonative

        I believe this happened because the Southern (anything BUT) Poverty Law Center got caught lecturing the military that Christians (you know, mom, dad, and they themselves) were potential terrorists.

        They went too far.

        I don’t believe it’s a coincidence that this happened after this picture was posted on the web:

        • BonV.Vant

          They could not help themselves, this is their basic internal drive, animosity towards, and desire to destroy white christians.

        • RonanTheLibtardian

          Andy mentioned the racial component of DOJ hate (this being a race realism site). Pointing out additional segments that comprise the right that are under attack does not diminish Holder & Company’s ulterior motives of needing/wanting to slow their momentum. I think it’s a trick also.

      • Geo1metric

        Let’s see if the $PLC has lost its office on the grounds of the Justice Training Center in Columbia, SC. If so, then I might get more optimistic.

        On the other issue, the ADL, the FBI has massive evidence of Israeli spying on the US. The Larry Franklin case comes immediately to mind. This spying has often been done with the complicity of the ADL and its partner, the B’nai B’rith.

      • Tom B

        You’re on to something here. Frankly, I feel every institution in USA, including the FBI, has been poiticized by the marxists who run America. This one has a stink to it. Too good to be true; Probably is a one step backwards two steps forwards scenerio.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          They see the obvious Republican momentum going into November. Swing voters are p!ssed about Obamacare and plenty more are enraged about the Latin locust swarms in U.S. cities. The Repugs were able to hold-off the amnesty debate for the rest of the year. This will hopefully lock-up the House and the Senate to prevent amnesty initiatives for the rest of the Chicago occupation. This is a very critical time for America. If 2014/2016 doesn’t go Mother America’s way—->America is over.

          As Ann Coulter indicated, once the Demo-rats import enough votes, we will be voting for MS-13 versus MS-14. Debates will sound like: “…I’m casting my vote for MS-14. They only raped and murdered 10,000 white people. I’m pretty sure MS-13 murdered twice that. My vote is for MS-14…”

          Those are the types of choices the remaining 3 million Afrikaners have in South Africa. American white votes will be like paying protection money to the most sympathetic gang.

          • Tom B

            Latino swarms in the
            hinterland as well, not to mention the Somali
            invasion. All those cool American diners, by then thoroughly taco’d and with very bad red
            and yellow lettering…Yer spot on with the protection payments. Obama’s
            Dobermans aka flash mobbers will only accept Visa or MC.”No checks, MF!”

    • Oil Can Harry

      Thanks for the choice, QD. Here in the Bronx we only get Ripple, Night Train, Cisco and Thunderbird. 🙂

    • Cook’s champagne: “Extra Dry”. Sayaka gets home from work in about 30 minutes.

    • sbuffalonative

      I like to believe this is a victory but there are lots of Senators and Congressmen who depend on the ADL and SPLC to keep the hate alive.

      We have to watch for any efforts to reverse this decision.

    • StillModerated

      I’m a Thibaut Janisson bubbly drinker myself. Drink local, think local. Oasis used to make a world class champagne, but the owner blew it.

    • CelestiaQuesta

      Wa is mi Thundaburd?

  • sbuffalonative

    Abraham H. Foxman, national director of the Anti-Defamation League, told Secrets, “We are shocked, surprised and disappointed that this would be done without any consultation with groups such as ours

    Who does this sob think he is that he should have been consulted?

    • He really thinks the FBI should have asked his permission.

    • Mason Gull

      They dropped the ADL too.

      • blight14

        Planet Earth should ‘drop the ADL™’…………

  • Luca

    As a public service, I would like to nominate the NAACP as the next phony organization to be de-legitimatized.

    • Who knows? The way they’re going, maybe the FBI actually is taking requests.

      • Harumphty_Dumpty

        “if they have someone reading this site”

        Why would they do that?

  • amren-reader

    That so-called Anti-Defamation League of B’nai B’rith is the biggest misnomer of an organization I can think of. Just like their brothers at the so-called SPLC, I think they are some of the biggest defamers and haters around!!

  • Tom Mixx

    A Jewish friend of mine (now deceased) who I played chess with hated Jews like these.

    • Steven Bannister

      Most good Jews do.

      • Max

        Honestly, there must be many who resent them. I’ve heard some who think as highly of Foxman et al as I did of Ted Kennedy and Tip O’Neill, my Irish cousins.

        • StillModerated

          Hang on a moment, Max. Tip O’Neill said “all politics is local.” and I wholeheartedly agree. Underneath all that bluster lay a secessionist. Plus, he also only had 50 grand in cash when he retired. Props go out to any liberal who could keep his hand out of the till.

      • Anon

        Never forget the primary way Mossad gets its intelligence. They contact random jews in whatever country, organization, situation, whatever, they want and basically ask someone they don’t know, who is only similar to them or has any connection with them, in one way….that they are both jews. And asks them to commit treason….usually with severe punishments, including the death penalty, if they are caught. It is unheard of for them to be turned in to the local authorities and the person contacted often does whatever they say…no questions asked. There is a very good book about this, called “Sayinam”. This issue is too widespread and important to ignore. First of all, all jews, no matter what they say, reliably identify as a separate race from everyone else (especially whites). Their loyalty is to their race and nationalism is almost non-existent. Although white people could learn a lot from that, they really take it to an extreme and will obey, and cooperate, even when they know what is being done is evil….even heinously evil. They might have a problem with this….even if that problem is only defamation of themselves…but, in no way does that effect their behavior. It is very, very rare for a jew to do what is right rather than what he is told is “good for the jews” (even when it clearly is not).
        A good example. Recently, a Rabbi in New Jersey was arrested for laundering money. A crime. But it’s quite a bit worse than that. The money he was laundering was spent by heinously evil people who were in need of organ transplants for various reasons and didn’t care where they came from. And where they came from were children from various countries who were adopted by various jews and then simply disappeared. You have a missing person and a fresh organ for sale. You do the math. They couldn’t catch the guy on kidnapping, murder and the like but they did catch him on the money laundering. The REASON they could not catch him on the more serious crimes is no jews would cooperate with the authorities even though they all knew what was going on. Finally, his own son, could not take the shame of knowing where his family’s money cam from and turned in his father. Very rare….and only the extreme nature of the horrific crimes made him do it. But what is most important is how the jewish community reacted to this. Were they outraged that a religious leader was profiting off the murder of children. Absolutely not. They FREAKED out that a jew turned in a fellow jew and completely ostracized him…..repeatedly threatening his life.
        So yes…your “good” jewish “friend” does not like it when he sees things like the anti-white genocide most jews are engaged in a conspiracy with. But that does not mean he will not do his part….or put a knife in your back when the time comes.

    • Jesse James

      Yes it is important to remember that Jewish globalist elites suck but then so do white globalist elites.

  • So CAL Snowman

    This is the best news I can remember in years. How sad is that?

  • Pro_Whitey

    Dang, between decertifying the $PLC and taking down Cannon in Charlotte and Yee in San Fran, I’m starting to think Holder is working for a living.

    • It may not be Holder. There might be a coterie of patriotic counter-revolutionaries in the FBI trying to save the country.

      • Max

        But whenever they get found out or blow any whistles they are transferred to pencil-sharpening and paper-shredding duty or placed under investigation or administrative leave. I doubt there are enough honest ones to do what’s needed.

        • So CAL Snowman

          Sibel Edmonds comes to mind

        • sbuffalonative

          When the SPLC and ADL started calling members of the military potential terrorists, they went too far.

          I agree most people go along to get along but I’ll bet it ticked off the right people who still had the power and the courage to tackle the issue.

          I suspect someone said, ‘this has gone far enough’.

          • Joe Sewell

            Thinking you’re right. Better late than never I suppose.

        • Jake

          I suspect you are wrong and that, in fact, there may be as much as a silent majority of field agents who see through the SPLC phony baloney.

      • sbuffalonative

        That’s what I’m hoping.

        This came a few months after the SPLC started giving lectures that Christians and members of the military were potential terrorists.

        I have zero proof but my gut tells me the SPLC and ADL went too far.

        • Calling Christian, pro-family organizations “hate groups” was well beyond “too far”. Since it caused an unprovoked shooting, it was criminal incitement to violence. It was certainly also libelous.

  • IstvanIN

    The government very occasionally does something right.

    • At this rate, NASA might have to get back into the business of manned space flight.

      • Max

        It seems decreasingly likely with their prime directive of hiring and promoting minorities.

      • John

        Unlikely considering this is the new growth industry in Africa. I just read that the Ooga Booga Ga Googa tribe has applied for a patent on their new and exciting flying witch doctor technology. NASA has no chance to catch up with this since they’re light years ahead of us now.

        • We white guys will just “steal” that technology in such a way that they all forget about it themselves.

          We’re sneaky that way.

      • brior

        A good video: Kenyan man builds plane in front yard – BBC… They are catching up!

    • Luca

      Even a blind squirrel gets an acorn every once in a while.

  • This is quite a victory. Wonderful news.

  • JohnEngelman

    The vast majority of organizations on the “hate list” pf the the Southern Poverty Law Center have never broken the law, and never advocated law breaking. This certainly includes American Renaissance.

    Liberals, who once claimed to support free expression, have an obligation to condemn this organization, which only exists to restrict intellectual freedom.

    • Liberals are no longer interested in intellectual freedom. They ditched that at the same time they dumped working-class whites.

      • JohnEngelman

        During the Cold War until the Tet offensive conservatives suppressed intellectual freedom with witch hunts, loyalty oaths, and black lists against those who advocated socialism, criticized capitalism, and defended Communist countries.

        Since then liberals have suppressed intellectual freedom by making it dangerous to criticize blacks, and to propagate the truths of race realism.

        • A disingenuous argument: during the Cold War there really was an identifiable external enemy possessed of the same ideology as the domestic left.

          • JohnEngelman

            American Cold War policy deserved a broader debate than it was given.

            Because the Soviet Union had been devastated by the Second World War, the Soviet Union was not in a position to begin a campaign of conquest, but post World War II U.S. foreign policy assumed that it was.

            American foreign policy assumed that any government however unpopular and tyrannical in any country was preferable to a Communist government, or even a left leaning government, even – or especially! – if that government was popular.

            That was the attitude that led to the War in Vietnam and the Iranian Revolution of 1979.

            In 1953 the CIA orchestrated a coup against the democratically elected government of Iran.

            From 1954 to 1956 the United States prevented an election from being held in Vietnam that had been scheduled by the Geneva Conference of 1954 to unify the country.

          • The Soviet Union could have used considerable help from the West, from which it would have been given under the Marshall Plan, but they destroyed democracy in Poland and Czechoslovakia. We Americans wanted peace in Europe after the second time, but those Marxist beasts in human flesh just wanted to set the stage for another war.

          • Mergatroyd

            The Americans destroyed the final bastion against Commie aggression when it destroyed Germany.

            What happened afterwards was inevitable.

          • JohnEngelman

            Do you regret the defeat of Nazi Germany?

          • No. Adolf declared war on the US a few days after Pearl Harbor, and what happened after that was as inevitable as what would occur if a top-notch heavyweight boxer picked a fight with a 600-pound silverback gorilla.

            Hitler believed in the “undefeated” German army myth of World War One, when in fact it was largely the arrival of a large US army – trained in large part by the French “Chausseurs de Alpines” (mountain infantry) in 1918 that beat them. One major operation was breaking the San Mihel salient. He considered US soldiers to be sloppy amateurs, anyway.

            He had also never done any serious travelling. Britain alone would have been a real eye-opener for him. Scotland was poor before the North Sea oil boom. When I was little there in 1971, we wrote on slates with chalk because paper was expensive, but Scotland has had a reputation for excellent education for centuries.

            If he had visited Chicago or Detroit in the early 1930s, he might have sneered at the sight of unemployed men standing in soup lines, but a more perceptive fellow would have understood that phenomenon as temporarily unused manufacturing capacity that would quickly be mobilized in wartime.

            None of his brass understood the US very well. His navy chiefs estimated that the US would build two new shipyards during the war and expand production at existing shipyards. We didn’t build two new shipyards: we built 18 new shipyards, and then – thanks to Henry J. Kaiser – started assembling ships built from prefabricated sections.

            In 1944, the US produced more aircraft than the rest of the world combined.

            Hitler didn’t study American history, either. To less perceptive Europeans, the War Between the States was a fratricidal brawl, but it developed into a war of excellent soldiers with excellent officers against good soldiers with good officers who also had plenty of food and ammunition and lots and lots of rifled – rather than smoothbore – artillery. The American-style “war of plenty” was a product of that war.

            Hitler was so impressed with his Teutonicness that he underestimated other whites.

            The open criminality of his administration is secondary. The mullahs currently running Iran are also plainly criminal, but I do not see the need for us to overthrow them. On the other hand, most of them have not done much serious travelling, either. If they’re dumb enough to pick a fight with the US, they’re going to get pounded. The old “Operation Praying Mantis” was just a tap on the shoulder to get their attention.

          • JohnEngelman

            Thank you. I agree with everything you have written. However, I was asking Mergatroyd.

          • I don’t need to be “asked” for anything. There are things I say whether I am “asked” or not, and since it is here in the open I piped in.

            How dare you decide on your own here that a public discussion between you and Mergatroyd should be immune to outside comments?

          • Mergatroyd

            The people who did this, overthrew government they don’t like are the same ones you think should be the overlords of the white race.

            They are busy stirring up trouble in Eastern Europe right now. Why don’t you go there and help them overthrow Putin so they can impose the NWO/globalist agenda you agree with, the one that wants to genocide the white race.

            Why don’t you learn some real history for once instead of spouting off the Zinn-skewed OPINIONS that you pass off as fact.

        • Jesse James

          Actually the meme of the McCarthy witch hunt is a huge lie to cover up the fact that our government, academia and the press was riddled with communists agents. What most people didn’t and don’t understand is that the same banksters who manipulate the economies of the “capitalist” world are the same interests who created Communism in the first place. Some people believe that the real reason McCarthy was shut down was because in chasing communists he was finding the agents of a global elite conspiracy that was and is working to create a one world government.

          These agents of chaos and control created a boogeyman in the form of Soviet communism that they could exploit to create chaos that allowed them to further their financial and political interests. They use radical Islamists for the same purpose now, which explains why although our government claims to be in a war against these elements we have nurtured and supported them from the start in Afghanistan down to this years events in Syria and Egypt. In the case of Syria the cognitive dissonance was too much for many people which is why so many people protested to their legislators. Even Joe Sixpack knew something was wrong when our leaders started talking about using American air power to support Al-Qaeda types in attacking the legal Syrian government.

          Now they have turned the United States into a police state using the Islamic boogeyman to frighten us into giving up more and more of our rights and freedom. Even during the height of the Cold War when the threat of nuclear annihilation hung over our heads men wouldn’t have allowed government goons to publicly molest their wives and daughters the way the TSA does everyday in every airport in the country.

          • Joe McCarthy had to be shut down, censored, censured, vilified and literally assassinated NOT because of what he found out, but because of what he was about to find out.

          • John

            There’s a great book entitled “Blacklisted by History” by M. Stanton Evans that deals with the backstory on McCarthy. The US government then, as now was absolutely filthy with spies and guess what? They were way overrepresented by the you know whos. In a sane America, or one where the MSM wasn’t completely monopolized by a hostile minority, McCarthy would be counted as one of the greats; a patriot, leader, warrior; everything about the man was top shelf. If you hear something “bad” about him such as his drinking problem etc., guaranteed it’s part of the kosher mafia lies to discredit him. Back then they were spying for the Soviets. Now it’s for Israel. And people wonder why some minorities are more worthy of spite than others?

          • Who cares if the fellow drank? Ulysses S. Grant was a raging alcoholic, but he won battles while most Union generals were criminally incompetent.

          • John

            True that about Grant. Concerning McCarthy, that would be fine if it were true. Then, for the reasons you stated, I wouldn’t care. But the key here is truth in reporting and that’s a rare thing these days as it was then. Here’s another example, though, of what I’m was referring to. You may recall James von Brunn. He was 89 in 2010 when he was imprisoned for a shooting exchange that took place at the Hollowhoax museum on the Mall in DC. The FBI claimed they found child pornography on his computer. Pretty unlikely. He was a National Socialist and had the audacity to write an anti semitic book entitled “Kill the Best Gentiles”. His title is a quote from the Jews main holy book, the Talmud. So right away they started to build a case against him with a bunch of BS. He was rude enough to die of natural causes in captivity. I think that’s legit. He was 89 and in poor health at the time of the incident.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Yes, and the vilification remains with McCarthy to this day:

            “How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this Government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy, a conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, when it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men.”
            –Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-WI)

            McCarthy, an ex-judge, exposed the mismanagement of WW II, the loss of Eastern Europe to Stalin and the 1949 loss of China to Mao.

            McCarthy explained how phony war hero Marshall and General Eisenhower sold out Eastern Europe to Joe Stalin. And, later, how as Secretary of State, he betrayed Chiang Kai Shek and handed China over to Stalin’s agent, Mao Tse Tung.

            McCarthy’s hearings attracted a huge national following. His supporters include the Kennedy Family and many other loyal Democrats.

            In March of 1954, the tide turned against McCarthy because he posed a threat to the communists, globalists and masters of the NWO and Edward R. Murrow began a sustained media attack. By December, after numerous media hit pieces, Congress censured McCarthy and thus marked the end of his crusade.

            Eisenhower reacted:”McCarthyism is now McCarthy-was-ism.”

            McCarthy’s death:

            McCarthy became ill in late April of ’57, and was taken to Bethesda Naval Hospital, just like his “suicided” mentor, James Forrestal, had been in 1949. He began to recover, but strangely fell ill again on the Communist Holy Day of May 1st. He died at the young age of 48, on May 2, – the victim of an apparent poisoning. The official cause of McCarthy’s death is listed as “inflammation of the liver.”

            Today, McCarthy’s Wisconsin Senate seat is held by Marxist Tammy Balwin, the first openly “gay” member of the U.S. Senate.

          • John

            You don’t have a subscription to The Barnes Review by any chance, do you? A lot of what you’ve covered so concisely above is the sort of things their magazines deals with in depth in every issue. Most people have never heard of Marshall for example but there’s no question a more traitorous SOB has seldom served the the US military. McCarthy’s death raises a lot of questions as does Gen George Patton’s and Forrestal’s as well. The list of what some have to answer for grows in leaps and bound decade by decade. In any event TBR is worth the subscription. I even gave one to my father for Christmas.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            I do not have a subscription to the Barnes Review, but I’ve read a few of their articles (and was impressed).

            I’ve been called a “conspiracy nut” and “subversive” more than once for writing exactly what I wrote above, which doesn’t follow the pat government, textbook-approved narrative about WW II, Patton, McCarthy, the media etc. — and about Forrestal and Patton’s death — although less and less so as more information and data are released about what really happened leading up to WW II, during the war and, importantly, afterwards. Anyone who thinks Churchill was a “great war hero” needs to take another look; FDR was far worse. Both were war criminals.

            Patton realized at the end of the war that he’d fought for the wrong side, that he’d been duped and was planning on revealing everything he knew and found out when he got back to the U.S. Of course, he never made it back and died in a mysterious accident. Information we have on his sentiments comes from his own diaries and letters he’d written to his wife while in Berlin at the end of the war:

            As General Patton started to actually become acquainted with the defeated Germans and America’s Soviet allies, Patton finally realized what he was in the midst of, and his opinions about the war, and both our enemies and allies changed drastically. What Patton realized was recorded in his diary, and in letters to everyone from his family and friends, to other military and government personnel.

            http //www subvertednation net/general-patton-discovered-the-truth/#sthas FvsHuu2z dpuf

          • John

            I think it was author, RIP, Gore Vidal, who, being called a conspiracy theorist, replied “I’m not a conspiracy theorist, I’m a conspiracy analyst”. That said, whenever I’m frequently hit with the same pejoratives as you’ve apparently been also include “Nazi”, “bigot” etc. my response is “thanks for the compliment” but I’m not that good, yet.” Another statement Patton made was that the “Germans were the finest race in Europe”. Personally, even though my ancestry is basically English, I’d have to agree. Thanks to my Dad’s career in the USMC, I’ve lived a total of 5 years in Germany, most recently from 1962 to 1965 (saw JFK when he made his historic visit there btw). I’d say Patton was correct in his assessment of the Germans. Considering how poorly we treated them, particularly after the war, the Berliners were especially welcoming and friendly towards Americans. Maybe more-so than the West Germans at time, I’m guessing because the Berlin Air Lift was still fresh in their minds.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            I have the same revisitation sentiments about LBJ.
            PBS turned him into a god for having signed CRA-1964.

          • jane johnson

            Beat me to it. I was about to add Patton to the list of suspicious deaths.

          • AndrewInterrupted

            One of my uncles was a tank driver in Patton’s 3rd Army. They hated the guy. The scene in the movie where Patton was directing tank traffic actually happened. My uncle’s tank was one of the tanks passing by at the time. My uncle was knocked out of two tanks and somehow lived to tell about it. The last tank he was in got hit by an 88mm round but the tank didn’t burn. He said he got hit in Belgium and woke up in France…<;-)

          • jane johnson

            Except for the war of northern aggression, I’ve not read much military history, but judging by documentaries and the movie you mentioned, Patton seems to have been the kind of man who inspired strong emotions in those who served under him; mostly negative.

          • President FDR handed over Eastern Europe to Stalin; he was the one who signed the Yalta Agreement, not Eisenhower. Generals do not make policy; they merely carry it out.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            Several months before the end of the war, General Patton recognized the fearful danger to the West posed by the Soviet Union, and he had disagreed bitterly with the orders which he had been given to hold back his army and wait for the Red Army to occupy vast stretches of German, Czech, Rumanian, Hungarian, and Yugoslav territory, which the Americans could have easily taken instead.

            By January of 1945, Germany’s days are numbered. General Patton wanted to take Berlin but Allied Commander Eisenhower won’t allow it. Eisenhower’s deliberate delaying tactics in the Western front allow Stalin’s raping and murdering Soviet hordes to push eastward into Germany.

            Generals Eisenhower and Marshall repeatedly delay the Eastward advance of General Patton’s unstoppable 3rdarmy, going so far as to cut off shipments of gasoline to General Patton’s army. Patton was beside himself.

            Before his “sudden death” in 1945, Patton had come to believe that there was treason in the highest levels of the U.S. government.

          • Of course, but he was an army general, so questioning political matters was not his job. When an army becomes politicized, it stops being an effective army.

          • JohnEngelman

            “How can we account for our present situation unless we believe that men high in this Government are concerting to deliver us to disaster? This must be the product of a great conspiracy, a conspiracy on a scale so immense as to dwarf any previous such venture in the history of man. A conspiracy of infamy so black that, when it is finally exposed, its principals shall be forever deserving of the maledictions of all honest men.”
            –Senator Joseph McCarthy (R-WI)

            McCarthy, an ex-judge, exposed the mismanagement of WW II, the loss of Eastern Europe to Stalin and the 1949 loss of China to Mao.

            – Bon, From the Land of Babble

            First of all, vast conspiracies do not happen. Someone will leak information to the press, get drunk and brag to his girl friend or wife, or have a death bed conspiracy.

            Second, the Roosevelt administration and that of Harry Truman did not allow the Soviet conquest of Eastern Europe. That conquest happened because of a war started by Nazi Germany. At the end of the Second World War the Soviet Army occupied Eastern Europe. There was nothing the United States could have done about it but start another world war.

            Third, the Roosevelt administration did not allow the Communist victory in the Chinese Civil War. That victory happened because Mao Tse Tung was a more competent political and military leader than Chiang Kai Shek, and because the Communists had more popular support than the Nationalists.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            On China and how it became Communist:

            The leader of the United States, FDR, armed Stalin to invade Manchuria which caused Nationalist China to fall into Communist hands:

            At Yalta, it was agreed that the Soviet Union will break its peace pact and join the war against Japan no later than 90 days after the surrender of Germany. For this effort, Stalin’s Red Army was fully equipped by U.S. manufactured arms.”

            June / July 1945: Knowing nothing about the dirty deal made at Yalta, Japan’s leaders reached out to Stalin in an attempt to have him broker a negotiated surrender to America and Britain. Japan communicates to the Soviets:

            His Majesty the Emperor, mindful of the fact that the present war daily brings greater evil and sacrifice upon the peoples of all the belligerent powers, desires from his heart that it may be quickly terminated. But so long as England and the United States insist upon unconditional surrender, the Japanese Empire has no alternative but to fight on with all its strength for the honor and existence of the Motherland

            – Foreign Affairs Minister Togo

            August 8, 1945: On the 90th day after the surrender of Germany, the Soviet Union declares war upon Japan. Shortly after midnight, the Soviets invade the Japanese held Manchurian region of China…August 6, 1945. The U.S. drops a cruel and unnecessary Atomic Bomb on Hiroshima.

            Not needing the US weapons they had been given, the Soviets turn over much of the new arms, as well as captured Japanese arms, to the Chinese Communist rebel, Mao Tse Tung.

            These free weapons, combined with strategically vital Manchurian bases and the US betrayal of Nationalist Chiang Kai Shek, will enable Mao to overthrow Chiang in 1949.

            That is how China fell to Stalin’s genocidal agent, Mao Tse Tung.

            Thanks to the treason at Yalta and afterwards, Stalin’s boy in China, Mao, went from struggling guerrilla rebel to well armed Supreme Communist dictator in just 4 years.

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          • JohnEngelman

            After the end of the Second World War a truce between Chinese Communist and Nationalist forces was broken in November 15, 1945 when the Nationalists attacked Communist forces in Manchuria.

          • I believe you are becoming angry again. I love you, and I wish you would not do this to yourself. Please.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            I appreciate your concern, Mr. Scott, but you have completely misinterpreted my motives and my emotions.

            Countering mis-and dis-information, cynicism and sarcasm are hardly expressions of anger.


            I am anything but angry.

            Thanks always to you for your upvotes and support!

            What that, I’ll close with an old Central European expression:

            “The dog barks; the caravan moves on”

            I also gift to you the latest graphic, from my collection to yours.

          • JohnEngelman

            our government, academia and the press was riddled with communists agents.

            – Jesse James

            Unless these “Communist agents” were passing classified information to the KGB, they had the right to work for the government, the academy, and in journalism.

            Beyond that assertion, you are attributing political factors and changes you do not like to a conspiracy that does not exist.

          • Jesse James

            John the existence of a large number of actual communists agents in the Roosevelt and later US administrations has been proven through a number of differing sources, the testimonies of ex-communists Whittaker Chambers and Elizabeth Bently, the Verona project intercepts of wartime communications between the Soviet Union and communist agents in the US and reams of corroborating data that researchers discovered once the old Soviet archives were opened to the world after the fall of the USSR. These agents didn’t just pass vital and secret information to the communists they also used their influence and power to help the Soviet Union and sabotage anti-communists efforts around the world. A person has absolutely no right to work in the US government and then secretly advance the cause of another – no matter is that other is the Soviet Union, National Socialist Germany or modern Israel.

            Hundreds of active communists agents have been identified in the wartime Roosevelt administration. Just a few of the names:
            Alger Hiss, Whittaker Chambers, Henry Dexter White, Lauchlin Currie, Harry Hopkins, David Niles, Elizabeth Bently, Owne Lattimore, Soloman Adler, Duncan Lee, John Stewart Service, Morton Sobell and Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

            What were some of the effects of their treasonous influence? Surrender of Eastern Europe and part of Central Europe to the Soviet Union at the Yalta Conference. Remember that France and England supposedly went to war over the independence of Poland and Czechoslovakia and that at the end of the war both were surrendered to communist tyranny for decades without a protest. The undermining of the Nationalist Chinese efforts and the loss of China to the communists. Betrayal and death of numerous anti-communists leaders and forces in Poland and Yugoslavia. The surrender of anti-communists populations and their deportation back to the Soviet Union where many were executed or imprisoned. The forced return of thousands of Soviet POWs who wished to remain in the west. The embargo of raw materials to Japan that resulted in the militarists of that country seizing power and attacking the US and other western powers in the Pacific which allowed Roosevelt to enter the greater war against the wishes of the majority of Americans in support of the communists. Finally but not least the betrayal of the secrets of the atom bomb to the Soviet Union.

            Now as to conspiracy by globalist banksters you are either stunningly ignorant or being willfully obtuse. The writing and passage of the Federal Reserve Act is clearly an act of conspiracy between major global banking interests to seize control of the US monetary system. Literally mountains of pages have been written about the origin of the Federal Reserve. “The Creature from Jekyll Island” by G. Edward Griffin being one of the more readable texts. Where were you in 2008 when the globalist banksters pulled off the biggest heist in the history of the world when they stampeded Congress into the banking bail out? I remember one Congressman publicly stating that Congress was threatened with martial law if they didn’t hurry up and pass the bail out. What about the sudden overturn of Gaddaffis government in Libya after he attempted to create a gold based North African currency which he planned to use instead of the US dollar to sell Libyan oil on the international market? What about the endless Color Revolutions that are spreading chaos all over the globe? These are known conspiracies John but go ahead and stick your head back in the sand.

          • Luca

            I don’t know if you are aware of this, but Communists do not want to be a harmless participating segment of American society. They openly advocate the overthrow or transformation of America into a socialist utopia like the one down in Cuba.

            Communism will never work, communism is tyranny. Socialism is a slow motion descent into communism.

        • Geo1metric

          If by “black lists”, you are referring to the HUAC hearings, let me remind you that those findings have been long ago vindicated by the Venona files opened after the fall of the USSR.

          • As were Julius and Ethyl Rosenberg’s spying convictions. Old Soviet files opened after 1991 show they were guilty as hell.

          • JohnEngelman

            During the Cold War Communist espionage was a legitimate concern. Communist subversion was not. Communist Party members, and Communist sympathizers had every right under the Constitution to propagate their opinions in teaching, journalism and in the popular culture. Democracy works best when the voters are exposed to many different points of view.

            For example, from April 1963 to September 1964 Hootenanny played folk music on television. Hootenanny blacklisted Pete Seeger because he had been a member of the American Communist Party. What was Hootenanny afraid of? Did they think Pete Seeger would send coded messages to the KGB?

          • Mergatroyd

            “Communist subversion was not. Communist Party members, and Communist sympathizers had every right under the Constitution to propagate their opinions in teaching, journalism and in the popular culture. Democracy works best when the voters are exposed to many different points of view.”

            You show a profound ignorance of this issue.

          • anonymous

            “Communist Party members and Communist sympathizers also had the right to work for the government as long as they did not have access to classified information.”

            Not when they advocate the overthrow of the US government.

        • Luca

          Liberals have also made it dangerous to criticize single-mothers, Muslims, abortion, anti-gun laws, government controlled education, green energy, global warming, high taxes, Obama-care, Hollywood, Ivy league indoctrination, SEIU, ACORN, MSM propaganda, the Holocaust, Pro-White advocacy, and the Dear Leader.

          If you cross the line, expect an IRS audit at the very least.

          • JohnEngelman

            People with the brains to go to Ivy League colleges are able to evaluate different points of view and do their own thinking. Just because most of them disagree with you does not mean that they have been indoctrinated.

          • I went to a rather good CA state university, and the ideological lockstep the left there engaged in was breathtaking. They were not free-thinking people.

          • Luca

            If most of them disagree with me, then how did most of them get that point of view? I have sat in classrooms and listened to history professors spout Marxist revisionist nonsense by Zinn, while the gullible youngsters sat there like meek little lambs taking notes, knowing they would have to repeat the lies they were hearing if they wanted a passing grade. The only problem was 2/3rds of them didn’t know they were hearing lies and distortions or didn’t care.

            If you tell a lie often enough it will be believed. Only about 1/3 of the population are independent thinkers. Liberals are living proof that intelligent people can be indoctrinated, irrational, educated and totally lacking in common sense.

            How else do you explain their undying allegiance to their corrupt, incompetent mulatto leader? How do you explain the minions of Liberal Asians and Jews with those golden IQ’s?

          • JohnEngelman

            If most of them disagree with me, then how did most of them get that point of view?

            – Luca

            They get their opinions the same way you get your opinions: from personal experiences, study, and reflection.

            You think your opinions are valid and that theirs and mine are not. Very well, we can discuss our differences. The point I have been making here is that there should be no restrictions on political discussion and debate.

          • Luca

            Once more John, I have no problem with them, or you, voicing different opinions although I admit I have low tolerance for unadulterated BS.

            It is imposing their will and agenda on America that I disagree with.

            I hope that is clear and we don’t have to cover this ground again.

          • JohnEngelman

            In a country as free and democratic as the United States is not possible for any side to impose its will and agenda on America without popular support, or at least the absence of popular opposition.

          • Luca

            Tell me all about the popular support for making 12-million illegals into American citizens. Tell me all about the popular support for socialized medicine.

          • JohnEngelman

            Only about 1/3 of the population are independent thinkers.

            – Luca

            If this is true, what do you intend to do with the other 2/3? The attitude I detect from you is that they should only be exposed to opinions you agree with, and that those you derogate as “cultural Marxists” should not be allowed to express their opinions.

          • Luca

            “There are three classes of people: those who see. Those who see when they are shown. Those who do not see.” -LDV
            If 1/3 can see and another 1/3 can be shown to see, that should be enough.

            No one said cultural Marxists should not be allowed to express an opinion. Freedom of speech is a wonderful thing. I object to them infringing on our other freedoms and imposing their will.

            They are indoctrinating the masses through redistribution of wealth, Hollywood, MSM, the judiciary and the educational system.

          • JohnEngelman

            The reason most Americans favor a more progressive tax system is because the rich are getting richer while the standard of living for most Americans continues to decline.

            What you call “indoctrination” is only effective when it finds a receptive audience.

          • Luca

            I use to moonlight as a tax-preparer. Don’t tell me about taxes. The rich pay far more than their fair share and about 50% of the population pay nothing. Don’t tell me about tax brackets unless you understand deductions.

            A person in California with two kids, making about $50k a year, lives about as well as a welfare recipient with two kids, when one compares expenses and disposable income after taxes vs. all the freebies and welfare programs. That working person must give up 35% of their income so the welfare recipient can live almost equally as well.Tell us how fair that is.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are talking about income taxes. The lowest 20 percent of earners pay 16 percent of their income in all taxes. The highest 1 percent pay 30.8 percent.


            After the Second World War, as long as the top tax rate never got below 70 percent


            The national debt was paid down as a percentage of gross domestic product. It was only after Ronald Reagan cut taxes that the national debt became a growing problem.


          • Most Americans?

            I’d like a good job as a laboratory chemist again, but I am also smart enough to understand that will never happen.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am confident you would make an excellent laboratory chemist. I regret your circumstances.

            When I was twelve years old my parents gave me a Gilbert Chemistry set for Christmas. I did all the experiments. I read a lot of books about chemistry. Unfortunately, a course in chemistry that I took in high school killed my interest in the subject.

            Everything that I know about chemistry I learned when I was twelve and thirteen.

          • I loved laboratory work. I was once the best chemist in the microelectronics industry in the world. Some of the guys from Mitsubishi Materials were really good, but that was my “weight class”.

            I miss them. I also miss Masamichi Azuma from MEC and Dr. Kojima from Kojundo Chemical.

            I miss wet chemistry.

          • JohnEngelman

            Your loss of a career was a loss to the world of chemistry.

          • JohnEngelman

            How else do you explain their undying allegiance to their corrupt, incompetent mulatto leader? How do you explain the minions of Liberal Asians and Jews with those golden IQ’s?

            – Luca

            Obviously we do not think that our “mulatto leader” is corrupt. I wish he was more competent, but I wish he had Franklin Roosevelt’s competence in out thinking and out maneuvering the Republicans. President Obama loses on issues where he has majority support on his side.

          • Luca

            “Obviously we do not think that our “mulatto leader” is corrupt.” – JE

            If you don’t think he is corrupt, then you are not capable of thinking clearly at all, which I presumed all along.

            If he is not corrupt why has sealed all records about his past, faked a birth certificate, started his career in the home of Bill Ayres, did a shady real estate deal with Tony Rezko, hired Van Johnson, appointed Elena Kagan, Eric Holder and Sotomayor?

            Ever heard of “If you like your Doctor, you can keep your doctor? Ever heard about IRS targeting, Fast and Furious, Benghazi, James Rosen, Pigford, Solyndra, or Maj Nidal Hasan.

            If he’s not corrupt and incompetent, we need to know your definition of corrupt and incompetent.

          • JohnEngelman

            The President was born in the United States. Because you think otherwise, I question some of your assertions.

            The others consist of campaign promises he may have thought were realistic, but turned out not to be, or they consist of legitimate mistakes, like Benghazi, or they consist of policy disagreements.

          • Luca

            I never said said he wasn’t born in the US. but he is hiding something by posting an amateur, fake, electronic, spliced photo-shopped version.

          • Who Me?

            “Ever heard of “If you like your Doctor, you can keep your doctor?”

            Oh yes, you can keep your doctor, but what they DIDN’T tell you was that they will not cover your treatment at any hospital with which s/he is affiliated or permitted to practice–which means you have to accept a doctor that IS affiliated with the insurance-covered hospital, or in other words, you CAN’T keep your doctor if you ever really NEED one…

          • Grantland

            “Only about 1/3 of the population are independent thinkers”

            If only. 5% of men and .01% of women.

          • Mergatroyd

            You are wrong, like you are about so many other things.

            If they are able to “evaluate” different opinions why do they suppress those who challenge their narrow viewpoint like James Watson?

            For making a truthful comment about low black intelligence, he had his career destroyed by those who you say “evaluate different opinions.”

            These are the people you think should rule over us.

          • JohnEngelman

            On a number of occasions on this website I have complained about the fact that James Watson was forced to step down as Chancellor of Cold Spring Harbor Laboratory (CSHL) on Long Island, New York, for claiming that African Negroes were intrinsically less intelligent than whites.

            On many more occasions on this website I have agreed with that claim.

          • JohnEngelman

            On this website I have expressed my opposition to what happened to James Watson.

          • anonymous

            Liberalism, obviously, is not based on logic, reason, or high IQ.

            It is a religion.

            Having gone to an “Ivy League”, I can tell you that you place way too much “faith” in these “leaguers”.

        • Do you mean the Tet Offensive in which an innocent German doctor and his family were abducted and murdered in Hue by VC, or some different Tet Offensive?

          • JohnEngelman

            The Tet Offensive of 1968 made the War in Vietnam unpopular with a growing segment of the U.S. population, and weakened the cause of anti-Communism in the United States, especially on college campuses.

          • Jesse James

            Ignorant sections of the US population who had no idea what really happened during the Tet offensive. The communists went into Hue with kill lists of people who supported the S. Vietnamese government. Government officials, teachers, agricultural specialist, religious leaders, and others deemed counter-revolutionary by communists intelligence officers. Estimates range that between 2,800 and 6,000 people were executed by the communists during the time they held Hue. Communists intelligence officers had made up lists of people they wanted to murder once they seized control of an area during the Tet Offensive. In Hue loudspeakers ordered the people on the lists to report to a local school and surrender themselves. Those that didn’t were hunted down by communists kill teams. The leftist press in the United States has a lot of blood on their hands after a hundred years of covering up communists atrocities. The bright spot is that the legacy media of print and cable news is losing customers in droves. I laugh every time I see one of the big newspapers or news magazines bite the dust. Why pay for lies?

          • JohnEngelman

            Ignorant sections of the US population who had no idea what really happened during the Tet offensive.

            – Jesse James

            During the War in Vietnam anti war sentiment was most prominent on the best American universities.

            During the War in Vietnam at least two million Vietnamese were killed. The vast majority were killed by American military action.

          • Luca

            It did not weaken the cause of anti-Communism, it weakened America’s will to fight a war for the people of South Vietnam who were not willing or capable of defending themselves.

            It has been the constant indoctrination and propaganda of academia that has weakened anti-Communist sentiment. The young people today never grew up in a world where the Communists were a threat to world peace and threatened nuclear war.

            Those who don’t learned from history are doomed to repeat it.

          • JohnEngelman

            In the United States the Tet Offensive did weaken anti Communism, and made it safer to criticize capitalism, advocate socialism, and defend Communist governments.

            The United States presented the greater threat of nuclear war. The United States developed the first atomic bomb, and the first hydrogen bomb.

            The Soviet Union had a no first strike policy. The United States had a policy of using nuclear weapons if it found itself losing a conventional war in Europe.

        • Mergatroyd

          That is your OPINION, which like everything else you post, is wrong.

          I defy you to prove this.

      • JohnEngelman

        Most people favor the suppression of opinions they think are dangerous. When slavery was illegal slave states prohibited abolitionist agitation. Back then the First Amendment only restricted the Federal government.

        During the Cold War conservatives in the United States over estimated the appeal of socialist and even Communist ideas, and worried about Communists and communist sympathizers teaching their children, writing for newspapers, working in Hollywood, and so on.

        We can see an echo of that right here on this website with posters worrying about “cultural Marxists” “brainwashing” young people into supporting interracial marriage, and stuff like that.

        Liberals realize that a candid inquiry into genetic reasons for differences in ability levels and behavior between individuals and races is dangerous to their egalitarian agenda. It is particularly dangerous to their efforts to achieve racial equality. That is why they try to suppress genetic determinism and race realism. They do not want to know the truth. They do not want others to know it either.

        • Rhialto

          This is correct, as expressed in the old saying “Whose ox is gored.”

        • Luca

          “…those they think are “cultural Marxists” should not be able to propagate their opinions.” -JE

          They are not just propagating their opinions, they are imposing their agendas. And their agendas consist of a slow tyranny.

          • JohnEngelman

            They are trying to impose their agenda. White nationalists are trying to impose theirs. The United States is a free and democratic country. As long as neither side initiates the use of violence, this is the way changes are supposed to happen.

          • Luca

            And the Communists have no history of violence? Remember Stalin, Pol Pot, Castro, Mao, Che, et al? Communism cannot be imposed peacefully, at the very least there would be protests, riots, and chaos before there was any success to their agenda. Then would come refugees, death squads and confiscation. That seems to be the general pattern.

            White nationalists are a fringe element who have not infiltrated or are controlling large segments of the press, academia, politics, educational system, labor unions and Hollywood. They are simply voicing their opinions and wishes and would rather secede than overthrow.

            As usual, your analogies, opinions, and statistics are short sighted and self-serving.

          • JohnEngelman

            There has never been a chance that the American Communist Party could create a Communist dictatorship in the United States.

            White nationalists are likely to remain a fringe element. One does not get places in politics by changing people’s minds. One gets places by articulating and channeling sentiments that already exist. White nationalists are trying to turn back the calendar on what most Americans consider to be settled issues.

            What would benefit white nationalists would be a Second Great Depression coupled with wide spread black ghetto riots, and increases in black crime. Currently the economy is slowly recovering from a recession that began during the presidency of George W. Bush. Black crime continues to decline. There have not been any significant black ghetto riots since 1992.

          • Luca

            I like the way you avoided my main point: Violence in communist overthrows. You deflect the topic by talking about White nationalists. So very clever.

            Then you avoid my second main point: Marxists, don’t just want free speech, they want to impose their agenda on the American people through infiltration. Your response is something about the Second Great Depression. Wow, I’m impressed.

            Generally, your spelling is correct, your sentences are well formed, you cut and paste quite well, you quote your favorite sources and you are even at times articulate.

            Making noise is not the same as debate or conversation.

            A liberal once told me, if you throw a hand full of mud against the wall, maybe some of it will stick. You apparently are throwing a handful up in the air and most of it lands right back on you.

          • JohnEngelman

            You have avoided my main point: the American Communist Party is virtually harmless, and always been. Have you ever known members of the American Communist Party?

            I have. I have liked them. They are charming, but rather silly, and incapable of starting a meeting on time, much less overthrowing the U.S. government. Right now the CPUSA consists of several thousand members nation wide.

          • The ACP used to murder “disloyal” former members.

          • JohnEngelman

            Oh yeah? When did that happen?

          • The late 1940s were the worst years.

        • Mergatroyd

          How do you even know what “most people think?”

          Cultural Marxists don’t “propagate” opinions, they shove it down our throats and that of our children through their control of the media and schools. They promote miscegenation, massive 3rd world immigration, benefits and rights for non-white over whites, legislation against whites, and race replacement of whites in white homelands, something you support.

          They’ve marched through all the institutions and now control the government, media, financial institutions, academia top to bottom.

          You are as clueless as ever and continue to spread misinformation and disinformation on this site.

          Why you’re allowed to get away with it on every thread is what is driving people away from this site.

          • JohnEngelman

            I read public opinion polls, and quote many on this website.

            Those you consider to be “Cultural Marxists” have obviously defeated those of your persuasion in the court of public opinion. They achieved this by being more skilled. However, I am curious. What would you like to happen to these “Cultural Marxists?”

          • RonanTheLibtardian

            Who is this crazy guy?

      • Harumphty_Dumpty

        I mostly agree, but sometimes vestiges of that former liberal belief crop up. The White House has allowed STOP WHITE GENOCIDE messages to be publicly displayed on its “petition” site for 17 months now, and there is also a message on black-on-white crime that is being displayed there every month.

    • dcc2379

      Now, now JohnEngelman. If your name had been TyroneEngelman or DeshanteEngelman, maybe you would have standing. As such, with your white privilege, you do not understand the damage done by two hundred years of slavery, even though it ended nearly 150 years ago and more white slaves exist in history than blacks, but I digress, if one disagrees with Obama and his admin, then you are racist. Pure and simple. Otherwise how could you disagree with whites bad / blacks good?

      • De turrble, turrble legacy ob de slabery?

        I’m up-front about it; I’m a racist. I have to be something. I wasn’t raised that way, but my undergrad years in California left me thinking that tactical nuclear weapons would be useful for urban renewal. Obviously it would have been mentally and emotionally quite unhealthy for me to have stayed there after graduation, and fortunately I did not.

        What does White Privilege mean to me? It means that I can pass for “just some guy” instead of a convicted federal felon on the Terrorist Watch List. It means that while expectations of me are higher, I can go to the hardware store, ask for something a bit strange, and nobody will ask me what I want to do with it. It means I get to post all evening here because my wife got some Japanese language movies she wanted to watch with our daughter. It means I had to fix two tragically messed-up PCs in the same week, but it also meant I was able to do so.

        White Privilege means I need a haircut, but when my wife cuts my hair, I will save it for tying fishing flies. I have volumes of fly-tying recipes, but I have never read about anyone using human hair. White Privilege means we stay home at night, but also that we are diligent enough to keep a nice home in which to stay.

        Make my White Privilege comprehensive, please!

        • Luca

          I use the phony synthetic hair from the Halloween wigs at the Dollar store. They come in crazy psychedelic colors too. Gotta love the chartreuse.

          • With the technique for larger lures that uses wound fleece, slathered with layers of silicone caulk, I substitute scrap fiberglass insulation for the fleece. It’s cheaper.

        • BonV.Vant

          There is a better option than tactical nuclear weapons although it is a shame that the neutron bomb was taken out of the arsenal. Although it may sound like science fiction, it is definitely NOT science fiction, it is science fact, and what I am talking about is space based weapons that beam microwaves to areas on earth. They were proposed in the 70’s as a way of getting electricity from space, but they can be used for warfare as well.
          Small scale , mobile,earthbound versions already exist and are proposed for “non-lethal” methods of crowd control. The lethality though is determined by the amount of exposure and the power of the beam. I think Southwest Africa should have these placed around their white cities of European expats to drive the parasites out of their squatter camps that form around such cities.

      • JohnEngelman

        I appreciate your wit. 🙂

        I voted for Barack Obama, but I am disappointed with him. After two years in office Franklin Roosevelt demonstrated to most Americans that the government could improve their lives. Obama has not done that in five years. That does not mean that I wish a Republican was president.

        • anonymous

          The best economic analysis shows that FDR’s policies prolonged the depression.

          He was one of our worst presidents.

        • I can not imagine anyone I would want as President. I certainly don’t want the job; I’m happy here. Presidents age as fast as dogs.

    • BonV.Vant

      jews see the law as something to manipulate.

      • JohnEngelman

        What neo Nazi website did you read that from? Lots of Jews are lawyers. That is because it takes brain power to get into law school, to graduate, and to pass the bar exam.

  • Who Me?

    I wonder who’s holding Holder’s nu–err, I mean toes (yeah, that’s it, toes) to the fire?

    • Luca

      As in most cases (like the IRS Scandal) “he din know nuffins.”

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Quite the contrary. It’s a Chicago tactic. Holder is trying to mitigate the 2014 election damage. It’s another Chicago con.

      • Because news of Democrats going up the river is sure going to get people to vote for Democrats.

        I think if it is blow softening, it’s to get the news done now and way outside of the news cycle before November.

        However, the truth of the matter is that in midterm election cycles, honest polling on June 1 is virtually always a good acid test on the way it will turn out in early November.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          True. I know the head of the RNC, Reince Priebus, is nervous that the Repugs are peaking too early in the polls.

          I still think Holder is trying to soften the tone of the racial agenda of the minority occupation government. The various spy agencies see the increased traffic at the white advocacy sites like AmRen (myself included). They have their finger on the internet pulse.

      • I wouldn’t be too sure about that. There are FBI field offices in most major cities. Eric Holder can’t possibly micro-manage them all. The decision to begin an investigation of a suspect is normally up to a field office Special Agent in Charge. The evidence gathered is submitted to the district US Attorney’s office, and there are 93 of these. The evidence is presented to a grand jury and if an indictment is made, the FBI makes the arrest. Unfortunately, for most of the last 14 years I know far more about the FBI than I ever wanted to.

        Also consider that current FBI director James Comey was actually a Bush appointee and is a registered Republican. Most career law-enforcement officials – aside from big-city police chiefs – tend to be right-of-center. I doubt Comey would go along with the political chicanery you seem to suspect Holder of orchestrating here.

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Holder is the top dog. Anything of this nature would require his thumbs-up or down. Nothing originating from the minority occupation government is ever what it appears. These people don’t sleep.

          • My point is that Holder can’t micro-manage everything. He’s a wicked, disgusting piece of debris, but he’s not Sauron.

  • Michael Mason

    The FBI embarrasses the SPLC and who get’s upset? The ADL.

  • Foxman is full of –it and full of himself. He claims they are “working closely” with the FBI. Yeah right, you lying scumbag. What you call working closely is you complaining constantly about the allocation of resources in the FBI. You work closely with no one. You make these claims to self-legitimize. OK, I’m working closely with the FBI too. I called the local office this morning and complained about YOU.

  • AndrewInterrupted

    I was thinking the same thing. They are trying to slow down the Republican momentum going into the 2014 landslide. It’s more of an ethics violation than it is time to celebrate.

    • Katherine McChesney

      You really believe that the GOP will win by a landslide?

      I wish I had that much hope for a change. I don’t trust the GOP.

      • On ObamaDontCare alone, yes.

        You’re right not to trust the GOP. They’ll more or less accidentally stumble their way into a red wave this fall they don’t deserve.

        Small print: The RINO establishmentarians touted as Presidential front runners for 2016 have no intention to get rid of ObamaDontCare.

        • RonanTheLibtardian

          Obamacare and amnesty. There has been a big shift to the right. I agree with Andy. This is politics, not victory. Because of retirements the Republicans only need 3 more seats for 51. They already have another 3 locked up. The new site 538 is predicting a possible 9 more.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        Yeah, some of the first signs were an upset in a special election in southern Florida. O’Bumbles was heard grumbling about it. The pollsters are all over it. We will see plenty of these shenanigans over the next 6 months. Suddenly the anti-white coup won’t seem as anti-white.

        Don’t you believe it…!!! The Chicago white genocide machine is still in full operation.

  • Glen

    Foxman’s outrage is feigned. The ADL will continue working closely with the FBI on hate crime and other issues. Weblinks are easy to remove. This so-called disconnect between the two organizations is nothing more than a ploy designed to give false hope to naive conservatives who think that they still have a say in what is done in this country.

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    In fact, so prolific is Dees at direct mail that he is in the Direct Marketing Association Hall of Fame.

    Hauling Dees the Drama Queen and the other racist idiots that make up the hateful SPLC before a tribunal on treason, justice and crimes against Whites would be great.

    However, I checked the FBI site and of 4:30 PM PST, March 27, 2014…

    Public Outreach: The FBI has forged partnerships nationally and locally with many civil rights organizations to establish rapport, share information, address concerns, and cooperate in solving problems. These groups include such organizations as the NAACP, the Southern Poverty Law Center

    And, under “African American Outreach”

    Southern Poverty Law Center

    http //www fbi gov/about-us/partnerships_and_outreach/community_outreach/outreach_contacts

    http //www fbi gov/about-us/investigate/civilrights/hate_crimes/overview

    • Katherine McChesney

      So, the news is not so great after all. They’re still linked to SPLC.

      I am ‘massively’ disappointed.

    • Black Swan

      I saw this in another article. Whether the FBI took it down or not that they’re affiliated with the FBI, as of now, it is back up.

      It took me about two minutes to confirm it.

    • Criminal defamation charges, along with civil libel would be good enough for me.

  • Geo1metric

    People like us are very aware of the $PLC and the ADL, but the run-of-the-mill voter is probably not aware, and if they are, they may very well not know how terrible these entities are.

  • Sue

    We look forward to having further conversations with them on this issue.”
    Hint: They’re not discussions.

  • Mindweapons in Ragnarok has a good theory that has some validity: The Paranoia-Industrial Complex, esp. the SPLC, bit off more than it could chew by throwing in Christian conservative (“religious right”) groups into its rock ’em sock ’em everything must go list of extremist hate groups.

    • Zimriel

      It was an own goal for the SPLC, and for those who support it – which include supporters of the ADL.

      Anyway, there’ve been a lot of news stories about Democrats Gone Wild in the past few days…

      I’d bet Obama’s real target was the ADL and not the SPLC. The SPLC does the Left’s work, but the ADL (to its credit in my opinion – hey, I’m a nationalist) has its own agenda.

      Is anyone else getting a whiff of Stalin’s purge from all these stories?

  • Left behind in Chicago

    Very surprising. Very pleasant surprise. There are some honorable White men in the FBI, law enforcement, even the CIA. Israeli spy Jonathon Pollard is still in prison despise massive behind the scenes wheeling and dealing by the powers that be.

    The SPLC overplayed its hand when they smeared milk toast Christian groups like the Family Research Council, might as well label Donny and Marie Osmond a dangerous terrorist hate group.

    • Black Swan

      Don’t get your hopes up. I looked it up and the website shows that the FBI still looks to the SPLC for guidance, outreach and training.

      There is tremendous pressure being put on the U.S. state dept. to release Pollard to the Israelis who will let him go free in Israel. What surprises me is that he hasn’t been released to Israeli custody already, it’s only a matter of time.

      • Epiminondas

        “Because his crime occurred prior to November 1, 1987, he is eligible for parole after 30 years in prison provided he continues to maintain a clean record, and may be released on November 21, 2015.”


        In other words, he’ll go free in less than two years anyway.

  • Nancy Thomas

    I can’t believe we actually won a round.

    • Black Swan

      What exactly did “we” win when the FBI site clearly shows that they still rely on the SPLC for guidance, outreach and training of its agents?

  • TXCriollo

    ive been saying it for a long while the war is not over, my grand dad was a marine in korea told me how the communist took over a lot of it, but the marines never gave up. Little wins turned the tide we need to build from this and keep fighting

    • AndrewInterrupted

      It is also important to understand the difference between a victory, and when you’ve been out-flanked. This is not a victory. This is a pre-election flanking maneuver. This was done so the ‘white’ soldiers will fall asleep in their foxholes.

      • TXCriollo

        i hope not but i have to have some faith that things are on the upswing

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Obama has openly warned the American public that he’s going to lay waste to America with Executive Orders. He already did that with de-facto amnesty just recently. But, he’s not done. Your response might be: “Well Congress can’t do much about executive orders”. And you would be right except that, procedurally, presidential impeachment originates from the Senate. Without control of the Senate impeachment isn’t possible. If Holder and his thugs can prevent the Repugs from retaking the Senate in November, Obama can do considerable more damage to the U.S. with his EO pen. He will have no natural enemies.

  • ZB

    I know many people, especially posters here on Amren, are of the opinion that a certain group of people—not WASPS, Catholics, Blacks, Asians, or Hispanics, are in “complete control” of the government and other institutions of national importance. Though, admittedly, (un)said group may have influence in great disproportion to their numbers in the overall population, this article would seem to suggest that (un)said group’s power is not as all-encompassing as one might think.

    • dewdly

      Hiding power doesn’t diminish it.

    • Black Swan

      If the FBI temporarily took down evidence that they’re strongly affiliated with the SPLC, as of right now, it’s back up. Please look it up yourself to confirm, poster “Bon” has the direct links.

      Seems to suggest that this group’s power is as all-encompassing as has been suggested.

  • ZB

    By the way, back in the 90’s weren’t the ADL’s office in San Francisco raided by the Feds?

    • Black Swan

      Can you provide a link? I suspect it was for show only, just like the SPLC defending that fake Nazi march in Skokie years ago so they could claim they are unbiased.

  • StillModerated

    These professional white bigots seem to forget that Eric My People holder hates them with an extra special loathing.

    • Mergatroyd

      What professional white bigots are you talking about? Care to name a few?

    • John

      You mean I can get paid for doing what comes naturally? That’s like paying a black person to act stupid. Oops. The Feds already do that. Anyway, sign me up. I could do with the extra income now that I’ve retired.

  • dewdly

    Taking the SPLC and ADL off the website only hides their association with the FBI and local law enforcement.

    • Brady

      Which is quite an accomplishment. It means if nothing else, the FBI will no longer be using taxpayer money to peddle ADL/FBI propaganda, which was the main benefit of the association with the FBI in the first place – good publicity.

      • ADL-SPLC and the rest of the paranoia-industrial complex gets a lot of fund raising mileage from being able to impress its potential and frequent donors that it’s in tight with the FBI and the rest of the alphabet gang.

        Looks like that’s going out the window.

    • Black Swan

      It’s back up as of this writing. Please check for yourself. The FBI site clearly states that the SPLC is used for outreach, training and resources, especially when it comes to defining hate crimes. It took me two minutes to confirm.

  • Donald Lew

    In 1913 after the conviction of sexual pervert Leo Frank for the murder of 13 year-old Mary Phagan, the powerful pro-Jewish organization B’nai B’rith formed a special unit designed to spy on Americans to head off future prosecutions of Jewish persons and silence any criticism of Jewish aims.

    Thus it was in the atmosphere of fanatic hate for the other that the Anti-Defamation League was conceived and born. In its long history of hate it has violated the rights of thousands of Americans. In its role to protect Jews from criticism and exposés.

    How powerful are the B’nai B’rith and its Anti-DefamationLeague?

    If White people had an organization as powerful and as effective as B’nai B’rith and its Anti-Defamation League, Democratic candidate Jared Taylor would win the Presidential election over Republican Pat Buchanan.

  • me

    Abe ‘Sly Fox’ Foxman, ‘Merkin-faced’ Potok, Morris ‘Sleeze’ Dees, and the rest ….this is the beginning of the end for you. Watch out.

    • Black Swan

      Might be the beginning of the end for you if you’re not careful.

      • me

        Who the heck are YOU? Are you British?

  • Harumphty_Dumpty

    This gave me an excuse to post a petition about the splc that we had on display at the White House a few months ago. Pamela Geller let the petition up on her site yesterday, but the Examiner did not:

    Honor the Southern Poverty Law Center for FIGHTING WHITE GENOCIDE!

    The SPLC has written an article that explains very clearly how WHITE GENOCIDE is being carried out worldwide by massive immigration and forced assimilation in White countries.

    Their article quotes,

    “When the anti-whites talk about mixing races, it’s only in white countries…They say they are anti-racist. What they are is anti-white. Anti-racist is a code word for anti-white.”

    The article conveys very well that massive immigration and forced assimilation is genocide not only when it’s done in Tibet, but also when it’s done in White countries.

    We ask that any slights the SPLC offered other organizations that fight White Genocide be overlooked. The SPLC is clearly a “big dog” in the fight against White Genocide, and merits the limelight.

    So join with us and the SPLC to FIGHT WHITE GENOCIDE!

  • Mahound

    The ADL should be at the very top of anyone’s list of hate groups.

    • BonV.Vant

      More than just a hate group, they have had strong ties to organized crime. They have done very unethical things, and I’m not talking about court room stuff. I have been at gatherings where jews have boasted about what the ADL has done.

  • Boris McGuffin

    Maybe Abe Foxman should move out of a country that his ancestors did not found, invent, fight for, die for, sacrifice for, and build up.

    • BonV.Vant

      Our grandparents were right, their children taught my generation that their parents were bad for correctly characterizing the motives, ethics, and hustles of these people.

    • No: they’d have wanted us to do the same damned thing.

  • BonV.Vant

    “We commend the FBI for removing website links to the Southern Poverty Law Center, an organization that not only dispenses erroneous data but has been linked to domestic terrorism in federal court. “……………………………………………………….. This ethnicity is known for playing this these types of games.

  • Garrett Brown

    Aaaawww, did they hurt their feelings?

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I know Foxman is retiring from the Semite Supremacist gig within a year.
      What do we know about his replacement?

      • Garrett Brown

        That his ancestors hunted foxes.


    Let us hope that this is the beginning of the end of Jewish
    corruption of our Law Enforcement Agencies. Dr. William Luther Pierce is
    smiling in white man heaven.


    Why the SPLC and ADL must go, and go for good. In the words
    of the immortal Dr. William Luther Pierce, and I quote

    “The ADL the Jewish organization that helped Jewish master-criminal Marc Rich escape justice, the organization that gave an award to Jewish contract-murderer Moe Dalitz in 1985 in appreciation of all the money received from Dalitz’s criminal enterprises, the organization that was caught red-handed with thousands of stolen police files now has a partnership with the FBI and is teaching the FBI about the changing nature of terrorism in America. Specifically, what the ADL is teaching the FBI is that the people the FBI needs
    to keep an eye on are the “hate criminals” and “speech criminals,” the White racists and anti-Semites, the White “extremists,” the White Americans who complain about the growing influx of non-White immigrants, about multiculturalism, about the government’s
    Israel-first foreign policy, and about the Jewish control of the news and entertainment media. They are the new terrorists and potential terrorists, according to the ADL. And the FBI is going along for the ride. As Director Mueller announced in his speech last month, those new threats are now “front and center” in the work of the FBI.” End of Quote.

    From the broadcast on June 8, 2002, “THE FBI, THE ADL, AND CHRISTINA LONG” Dr. William Luther Pierce.

    And my friends you will not read these facts in the Jewish controlled mass media or discussed in law classes at Harvard. The times – they are a changing – Jew take note.

  • MartelC

    The ADL helped Marc Rich and the Oligarchs escape prosecution. the FBI dropped the case of the harvard economist who helped the oligarchs loot russia (and now they are pushing to go to war with russia!)
    Frankly I am shocked this is happening, especially during the obama administration.

    BTW, it doesn’t matter how wrong and hypocritical the ADL is, they will see ANY criticism as ‘anti semitsm’

  • When the HLS Department was ratified as a separate cabinet department in 2002. Almost all Federal law enforcement was moved to HLS.

    • RonanTheLibtardian

      Which is run by an angry minority guy.

  • Rex

    For this topic, it would be especially helpful to have a broader, historical context. Law enforcement in the US has traditionally and firmly not welcomed intrusions or “buddy relationships” over a long period of time with private entities that are trying to be, or purporting to be, part of the law enforcement mission. To make reasonable conjectures about surface indications at present , it is very important to have a sense of the underlying dynamics of law enforcement relationships with entities outside of law enforcement. It is my (uncertain) estimation that the root of the present circumstances surrounding SPLC/ADL and organizations like the FBI, ATF, lies in the phenomenon known as COINTELPRO. The pendulum swing over-reaction to the very real abuses of COINTELPRO resulted in tying the hands of the FBI, et al., and leaving a vacuum that later on was eagerly filled by $elf appointed organization$ seeking to get into the “intelligence” and dirty tricks vacuum. This great righteous spasm of tying the hands of federal law enforcement has been an experiment that has played itself out. The results are evident. The hands should be untied, but yet reasonably restrained, and private outfits busying themselves with law enforcement can get booted out and go into training school crossing guards, night watchmen, and Scout leaders. There is no greater degradation in law enforcement than to be mastered by organizations or individuals that originally approached law enforcement in order to be of help. The “love affair” between the FBI (ATF, local law enforcement) and SPLC has been self limiting and, under the surface of present matters, may well be over ? History will not be kind to the “love affair”.

  • negrolocaust

    heres where they live

    Bilaal, 16; Zaria Estes, 15; and Kanesha Gainey, 15, will be tried as
    adults on charges of aggravated assault, reckless endangerment and
    related offenses in those attacks, the District Attorney’s Office said

    In the most savage attack, authorities said, Estes
    allegedly smashed a brick into the face of a 19-year-old Temple student
    during a scuffle with the woman and her boyfriend on Norris Street near

    still weren’t sure how the girls knew each other or what sparked the
    attacks. Capt. Frank Banford of Central Detectives said the girls
    traveled to and from the Temple area via public transportation.

    Where they reside, however, is clear:

    Bilaal lives in a rowhouse on Ithan Street near Walnut in West Philadelphia. Her brother – whose identity the Daily News
    is withholding because he is a minor – answered the door and referred
    comment to their mother, Chinara. She didn’t return a call for comment
    last night.

    Gainey lives a few miles away, at the Liberty Tower
    apartments on 63rd Street near Lebanon Avenue in Overbrook. No one
    answered the door there yesterday.

    Nor did anyone answer the door at the Rock Hill Court apartments, on Rock Street near Righter in Wissahickon, where Estes lives.;;

  • CelestiaQuesta

    At least one alphabet agency is waking up.
    They’ve done a fairly good job with cracking down on politicians abusing their power.
    Maybe there is justice after all.

  • I turn 48 in two weeks and dream of being Minister of Internal Security of the North American Empire (sorry, Canada).

  • When Mr. dd121 and I had lunch here several weeks ago and then hiked around Palmer Park for several hours afterward, we also agreed that Vietnam was a tragic mistake. My take on American Renaissance is that it is all about race-realism and rational conservatism. Rational conservatives didn’t like that war, either.

    There’s a (white) guy in my end of Colorado Springs I sometimes see at the liquor store. He was horribly burned in a vehicle fire in Iraq, and lost one leg, both arms and an eye. Nobody wants their neighbor’s kid to look like that.

    What is your point about Vietnam? You won’t find many takers here.

    • JohnEngelman

      I was responding to a post by Mergatroyd.

      Frequently I will start by making a comment most American Renaissance posters agree with. Then someone like Mergatroyd changes the subject to a topic where my opinion will be unpopular. I could back away from that topic, but I usually prefer not to.

      • I just don’t effing care to whom you are “responding”. You have very seriously annoyed me.

        Please do not do that twice.

        • JohnEngelman

          Don’t ask me questions like this, “What is your point about Vietnam?” unless you want me to answer.

      • Geo1metric

        My take is that YOU are the one who usually changes the subject of the thread with irrelevant comments.

        I think you do it purposefully to sew discord.

        This is a White advocacy web site. You are a multi-racialist.

        Disconnect at a fundamental level.

  • My tastes run toward homebrewed hard cider (apple-cranberry or apple-lime) or vodka in anything, so our mileage may vary.

    We get some quite nice stuff cheap.

  • After Pearl Harbor and the Bataan Death March, we did not want a negotiated surrender. My wife is from a famous Imperial Japanese navy family, and she understands there wasn’t going to be any 1918 repeat of an “undefeated” army. We beat the living dog-poop out of them, then we razed their cities, and then we dropped some atom bombs on them.

    I blame them only for surrendering so soon.

  • Edward I of England once said “A man does good business when he rids himself of a turd.”

    He said that after the execution of William Wallace, but in the FBI’s recent self-respect cleansing, I approve.

  • President Wilson should have held out for pre-1914 borders, except for an independent Poland, which even Ludendorff wanted. The Poles are our friends.

  • I have an over-ride on their right to “stay” once the balloon goes up.

  • A lady with whom I once worked was a Russian Jew. She was forbidden to study physics there because she was Jewish, so she went into chemistry. Her husband was summarily executed at the side of a road for a DUI. The cop who murdered him was never punished.

    A month in the hoosgow and a few years of revocation of his licence would seem reasonable to me.

  • Truth Teller

    I drive by the ADL Los Angles headquarters all the time. Have you ever seen the logo? It is ADL with a big globe in the D. They don’t even try to hide that they are taking over the entire planet.

    Maybe they will make Englemann a Saint or whatever the jewish equivalent is.

    I also read jewish publications on a regular basis. I only wish all those fanatic Israel right or wrong old testament protestants would start reading jewish publications and find out how much jews hate and despise Christianity, especially the old testament protestants who the jews call fundamentalists and consider a worse threat to Israel and jews in general than Hitler.

    One thing I have always wondered, what’s up with the protestant obsession with the jewish part of the bible? Didn’t Jesus and the Apostles start a new religion commonly known as Christianity? Doesn’t the Christian religion have its own bible known as the new testament? If they want to be jews, why don’t the protestants just convert?