Gene Linked to Low IQ

Medical Xpress, March 25, 2014

Children with both a common gene variant and lower thyroid hormone levels, which occurs in approximately 4% of the population, are four times more likely to have a low IQ, according to research presented today by the University at the Society for Endocrinology annual BES conference.

It is well established that thyroid hormones are essential for brain development in childhood. More recently, scientists have looked at a certain enzyme, called deiodonase-2, involved in processing thyroid hormones inside cells. A variant in the gene coding this enzyme has already been associated with key health outcomes including diabetes and high blood pressure, although the precise mechanism remains unclear.

In this study, researchers from Cardiff and the University of Bristol examined the genetic data and thyroid function of 3,123 children aged 7 who also had their IQ tested, as part of the Avon Longitudinal Study of Parents and Children (ALSPAC). The researchers found that children with thyroid hormone levels in the lower part of the normal population range who also possessed this genetic variant were four times more likely to have an IQ under 85.

This result stood true after taking into account various differences in environmental and socio-economic factors such as social class. Children with lower thyroid hormone levels alone did not have an increased risk of lower IQ, highlighting that without genetic analysis the population at risk could not be identified.

The study’s results will need to be confirmed in other groups of children. “If other studies confirm our finding then there may be benefit in carrying out a genetic test for this gene variant in addition to the standard neonatal thyroid screening, which would identify children most at risk of developing low IQ,” said lead researcher Dr Peter Taylor, from the School of Medicine. {snip}

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  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    Oh dear! Racist scientists are now discovering the causes of IQ differences.

    • Sue

      4% my……………eye

      • IstvanIN

        My thought exactly. More like 30% if we are talking the “US”
        population.

      • I’m going with 26%, Sue!

        • Sue

          Okay, I’ll bite. Where’d you get the 26% my friend?

    • Romulus

      Lol! Good observation Heidi!
      As if it wouldn’t be perfectly apparent. Even our underclass has more points upstairs than they do.

    • Dr. Möbias

      There isn’t a scientist alive that doesn’t know about IQ differences, but to keep his job a scientist has to admit that there are no differences in IQ between the races, so he has to keep his mouth shut tight.

      There isn’t a scientist alive who doesn’t know what will happen if he admits publicly to IQ differences, all of them are well aware of what happened to James Watson.

      • Yes, apparently being the co-discoverer of the structure of DNA doesn’t exempt one from the accusation of pseudoscience by rabid foaming-at-the-mouth Womyn’s Studies and Black Studies “social scientists.” We’re so fortunate to have these noble social justice warriors to protect us from well-known frauds like Dr. Watson.

  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    Children with both a common gene variant and lower thyroid hormone levels, which occurs in approximately 4% of the population, are four times more likely to have a low IQ, according to research presented today by the University at the Society for Endocrinology annual BES conference.
    ———————————————————————————–
    Glad my husband isn’t on thyroids.

    • BonV.Vant

      do you mean “steroids”. War das ein witz?

      • LovelyNordicHeidi

        Ja. Aber ich habe es geändert, weil es nicht so witzig war.

        • BonV.Vant

          Ich mag es wann du mit mir Deutsch sprechen 🙂 Aber, es ist einfacher für mich diese weg so ,weil mein Deutsch das Anhalten und langsam ist und ich zum Nachschlagen von Wörtern brauche

    • AngloWelsh

      Bristol has a large population of ‘Blacks’, much of which forms a violent and troublesome underclass, including Jamaican Yardies, etc.

  • Luca

    I can think of another genetic trait that lowers IQ.

  • JohnEngelman

    In the fairly near future it will be possible to estimate a person’s IQ from a DNA test.

    • BonV.Vant

      did you have a moment there? Do you need to clean up now?

      • Who Me?

        It is possible to estimate a person’s average IQ right now.
        LOOK at him/her. Is he or she White?
        LISTEN to him/her is there an accent?
        Start with an even 100 points. If they are non-white subtract 20 points. If there’s an accent (Ebonics, Spanish etc.) subtract another 10 points. This is a good way to get the lay of the land without DNA tests or anything else, and just about anybody over the age of 5 can do it with at least 90% accuracy.

    • BonV.Vant

      Well, since we are going to fantasize about what can be possible in the future : in the future, nanotechnology will enable them to make everybody a genius, it will enable them to change a person’s DNA, it will enable them to fix aged DNA, it will make people immortal, and it will enable one person to control everyone else by controlling the nanobots that will do all this.

      • Robert Kelley

        Actually, all of these are perfectly reasonable extrapolations except for the last. As our understanding of epigenetics gets better, we find that the expression of genes is as important as the underlying codons themselves. We don’t necessarily need to rewrite DNA to change genetic destiny – we can in many cases change the genetic expression by changing environmental factors. That sounds like the case here. Hopefully, political correctness will not prevent genetic screening of newborns that will enable early intervention for those with dysgenic traits.

        • Max

          At this point, nobody thinks that epigenetic factors are more than modulation of the basic program. The case in point is more like one heterozygous for sickle-cell disease who is asymptomatic unless also oxygen-deprived for some unrelated reason.

          • MarcB1969

            I notice an underlying antagonism to genetic determinism among proponents of epigenetics in the nutritional and healing field. It’s as if a contingent of people who can no longer explain things based solely on environment have had to come up with something that somehow appeases the environmentalists. I’m not saying the concept is without merit, but I have my suspicions that this is idea is a pre-emptive strike to reconcile uncomfortable genetic realities that are starting to emerge.

        • BonV.Vant

          I know that these are reasonable extrapolations. They have already genetically repaired color blindness in an animal, using a virus. Nanotechnology goes beyond this though. The last extrapolation, although scary, was proposed in a book about 15 years ago, I read it but forgot the title. Can thoughts be controlled on a molecular level? Who knows, if so then one person could potentially rule the world, but that would be boring. What good is it to have someone like you only because you program them to. That is the dilemma of God, and it is why we have free will, it is why evil exists. WE are to chose of our own free will and it is never over until we die.

      • Sick of it

        Here’s my fantasy – The people wrecking this world get their comeuppance and there are still some of we normal folk who survived the war.

      • John does like to think of the possibilities. He preoccupied
        with it. Instead, he should bring himself back to the ‘here and now’.

        • BonV.Vant

          the terms “IQ”, asian, and jew are engle-porn

          • He just wants to repeat the same old argument. He more or less looks for every possible chance, every day, every week, every month, to state that Orientals and Jews have higher IQ’s that White Gentiles.

            Even when White Gentiles can accept this, some even applaud it, he’s still relentless in repeating himself.

            What are we supposed to think at this point in the game?

          • BonV.Vant

            yes, well, that is the nature of a golem, nothing more than an animated tape recorder that does the bidding of those it serves.

          • Garrett Brown

            I wish you would post here more. Members need a stern reality check for who engleman really is, which is anti white.

      • CaptainCroMag

        I’m still hoping for the day when they make nanobots that cull the violent, stupid and ugly from the world (if you know who I mean).

        • BonV.Vant

          me too!

        • I’m still hoping for the day when they make mega-bots that cull entire violent, stupid and ugly countries from the world. Yes, I’ve been re-reading Keith Laumer’s old “Bolo” novels again.

      • Fr. John+

        Frankly, no. As W.S. Gilbert put it, ‘When everybody’s somebody, then no one’s anybody.”

        I long for the days of the Raj, and/or the 1940’s South, when ‘them folks’ knew their place, and were kept in it. My parents were right. Everything since LBJ has been cr*p.

    • Jotun Hunter

      Now they just need the source the gene for autism.

      • JohnEngelman

        You seem to think I am autistic because I have not figured out that many posters here do not like my comments. I figured that out after a few days here.

        You have not been able to figure out that I enjoy political arguments. I love to push facts into people’s faces that they do not want to believe, but cannot deny.

        • Jotun Hunter

          no, that’s not why. your autism is evident in the way you are talking just there, the fact that you actually believe these silly assertions, and despite what any one says to you, think (with delusions of high grandeur) that you are dispelling all other points with sheer repetitive annoyance. I have not been able to figure your enjoyment of political arguments because I’ve seen better rhetoric and arguing from teenagers. it’s hard to imagine you are actually serious.

          • JohnEngelman

            I document my important factual assertions, often with material I find on American Renaissance.

            You are incapable of a civil discussion of controversial issues. You are without knowledge, without insight, and your opinions are based on fear, anger, and hatred.

          • Jotun Hunter

            you have never, ever said any of those things before engelman. I’m capable of civil discussion with rational people who aren’t crazy and belligerent.

          • JohnEngelman

            How am I “crazy and belligerent?” I politely post fact based and logical arguments. This is the comment of someone who is crazy and belligerent, “you cretinous dingleberry.”

          • Jotun Hunter

            you cretinous dingleberry

          • Katherine McChesney

            You say the same thing to people who see through your arrogance and pettiness. You are boring John Engelman and you are a racist.

          • JohnEngelman

            What is arrogant and petty about telling the truth about racial differences?

          • Jotun Hunter

            it is arrogant to assume you have the truth. The ultimate truth engelman. The final answers. You are a veritable moses – departing the holy wisdom. You are actually just nuts. Face it. I’m only trying to help you, as I said – it’s tough love.

          • JohnEngelman

            Jared Taylor wants an intellectual and civilized atmosphere here. You are bad for the image of American Renaissance.

          • Jotun Hunter

            is that so? between the two of us who get’s more calls to leave or be banned? who annoys and disrupts and generally dissuades Amren from having more followers – the very idea that you might be at the conference puts people off buying tickets.

  • shawnmer

    Silly researchers. Depending on whether this 4% is more likely to be black, they’ll have to issue a clarification reminding us that IQ doesn’t exist, so never mind.

  • Engelman’s problem is that he takes everything literally, especially when its what he wants to hear. I think they have a name for this sought of thing.

  • r j p

    Children with both a common gene variant called black skin are likely to have an IQ one (White) standard deviation below that of White children.

    • BonV.Vant

      No one can get a research grant for that one.

      • baldowl

        If I’m not mistaken, the research has already been done, the conclusions already reached.
        As if anyone paying attention needs the results of some study to draw the same conclusion.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    It’s interesting how these researchers pretend or sincerely believe that the public is more interested in this research than they really are. Its known among the researchers that breastfeeding has a positive correlation with IQ, but how many people actually know about it or care?. I have a feeling that this knowledge will mostly be applied by overly cautious white liberals, while most of humanity doesn’t care.Fascinating research though.

    • Max

      If you find it fascinating, why mightn’t others? If we limit dissemination of information to what “most of humanity” is interested in then every person would have to independently discover every fact for himself.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        i find it interesting and important, but I’m pointing out that most people don’t and probably never will.

        The popularity of HBD and psychometrics research is probably inherently limited by the IQ of the population.

        • Max

          Okay then, it was published for you, me and a couple of other idle people.

          • Daniel Schmuhl

            What if genetic screening, genetic engineering, and other such technology, end up being dysgenic like contraceptives, instead of saving us from dysgenics?

          • Max

            I am confident that such will be misused.

  • xx

  • dd121

    It’s well known that for the IQ bell curve for whites there are a higher number of super smart and super dumb than other racial groups.

    • Is that true compared to Asians, too? That chart in Jared Taylor’s video makes it look like Asians and Whites are pretty similar except on the far ends of the spectrum, whereat Asians are twice as likely to be really smart and half as likely to be really dumb.

      • IstvanIN

        Like everything else in life we are the most diverse, Asians are clustered closer to an average.

      • dd121

        I don’t know about Asians. When I was in first grade we had some really, really dumb boys.

        • My personal experience with them is that they are pretty close to us in intelligence. I’ve known some Beavis and Buttheads, but I’ve known some really brilliant ones, too. But I strongly suspect that Asian-Americans, like Indian-Americans, represent the top 10% or better of their populations. I don’t think the average Chinese is like the ones I know. I have no way of substantiating that, really, but that’s just kind of the impression I have.

    • BonV.Vant

      It is unlikely that there is just ONE gene that will account for high intelligence in all cognitive areas. Since whites have the widest bell curve, it could be that even the less intelligent ones carry some of the genes that are necessary for the higher intelligence, and that two low intelligent whites can have a super smart child. This has in fact been known to happen.

      • willbest

        If you role a die your odds of getting a number 1-6 are identical and the average will be 3.5. If you role 2 dice and divide by 2, the average will still be 3.5 but it will skew heavily towards in the 3-4 range.

        That is to say that whites probably lack a normalizing force in their genes.

        • Yes, and when you add more dice to the roll, the tendency toward the mean rises even higher, and the distribution in the bell curve continues to narrow.

    • That’s also true for white men, compared to white women. Us guys number more geniuses and also more idiots than the ladies.

      • Anonymous

        Thank you for making that statement. Too many MRAs and WNs think that only the first half of your second sentence is true. Being a White man has both pros and cons compared to being a White woman. The good side is, if you’re a White man you’re more likely to be a genius. The bad side is, you are also more likely to be a retard. Being a White woman, like being Asian, is a safe bet. Chances are you won’t be the next Isaac Newton but the odds are also in your favour that you won’t be a drooling IQ 50 mentally disabled person.

    • tetrapod

      Could you please provide a link to that info? I’ve seen evidence to the contrary elsewhere, and I’d like to get my facts straight.

  • Max

    An allele which is likely to lower the IQ for some below 85 reminds me of the joke about the Mississippi town which suffered an F5 tornado which did $10 million worth of improvements.

  • Dr. Möbias

    Has Engelman hijacked this thread too? I suspect he’s somewhere here to lecture us as to how Asians have higher IQs than whites and that we should kow-tow to them in every way.

    I’m not going to read the commentary because if I see one of his pro-Asian posts, I’m going to go Goetz.

    Anyone else here had enough of Engelman hijacking threads for his pro-Asian, anti-white screeds?

    • John

      Me.

      • Katherine McChesney

        And I as well.

    • leftists are delusional

      No doubt certain subsets of Asians do well in math and spatial reasoning, but it’s cherry picking data to compare the entirety of the Caucasian race to the best of the mongoloid race in a subset of tests.

      The fact that Asian pass rate on the California Bar exam is much lower than the 74.7% white passing rate and not much better than the Hispanic passing rate (63.6% vs 57.4%) seems to be avoided by the Asian supremacists.

  • Truth Teller

    Upper class families are most likely to have higher IQs, especially if they are old money. This is evidenced in the upper classes of Egypt and India. I would also bet families descended from European royalty or nobility would tend to be more intelligent than the surrounding masses.

    • Remember that some European royalty families became inbred with notorious results. Charles I, the last of the Spanish Hapsburgs was a particularly unfortunate example.

      • Norseman

        The Danish had a prince, I believe his name was Knut, who was rumored to be quite dimwitted. I have a vague recollection that he might even have been quietly removed from the line of succession. An elderly Danish woman acquainted with my family told me that when socializing, if someone told a story, it was common to rise ones glasses and say “One more time for prince Knut!”

      • Garrett Brown

        Dat chin.

      • Alexandra1973

        I used a family tree program to map out their family line(s). These guys are related to each other dozens of times over!

        Supposedly I’m descended from Edward III. I’m several centuries removed from the madness, I think….

        • 80% of white Britons (estimated) are direct descendants of Edward III.

          80% of white Britons are also direct descendants of someone who cleaned horse stables during the 14th century.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            “White” Britons? That’s redundant. There is no such thing as a “non-white Briton”.

          • One of my family names is Howell, which is Welsh. I used to think I was descended from a Welsh king named Howell, but it turns out that a bunch of people just took his name because they were from his area, even though they were not related to him by blood. So much for my noble lineage.

          • Still, the odds are high that you’re descended from someone famous and important that every educated person has heard of. Probably everyone is.

          • I guess if you went out into the branches far enough, I probably am. The only famous, or sort of famous, person I’m related to that I know about is Scott Brown, the former Senator from Massachusetts.

          • Hallie Eva [formerly IDNM]

            Right, antiquesun, and if family has been here in the colonies long enough, you find you are related to many, many people, if even remotely.
            Mum is into the genealogy thing, tracing our ancestry to the Middle Ages and beyond.
            My DNA reveals I am completely Northern Euro.

          • Dang, getting back to the Middle Ages is pretty impressive. I’ll be having my DNA done soon. I expect it to be mostly, maybe totally, British Isles, but who knows.

          • Hallie Eva [formerly IDNM]

            I have been holding back, not admitting to this discovery. But, Barry and I unquestionably, share 6x greatgrandparents on his mother’s Dunham side, my father’s Berkheimer side. It directly correlates with my lineage as detailed in my book on the Berkheimer family who came to the colonies in 1732.
            A copy and paste from BO’s online page:
            CATHERINE (GOODNIGHT) DUNHAM
            Fourth great grandmother of President Barack Obama
            Parents: Samuel Goodnight and Magdelena Berkheimer.
            My paternal grandmother’s maiden name was Berkheimer. One of my father’s 6 sisters gave me the Berkheimer book before she died.

    • Norseman

      That upper class families, on average, would have higher IQs is logical. Intuitively though, I would have thought that new money upper class families would, on average, have higher IQs than old money upper class. Maybe this only applies to the actual individuals engaged in the wealth acquisition and that these individuals have different mate selection and different ways of bringing up children resulting in different mate selection for them as well?

      • Beloved Comrade

        We’ve seen many stories where inherited wealth, even massive amounts, is quickly and foolishly squandered away instead of invested and grown.

        I suspect it is regression to the mean, i.e., the children of wealthy parents who did not inherit their IQs, drive and focus which the parent used to acquire the wealth in the first place.

        But, OTOH, wealthy parents who acquired their wealth the hard way most likely passed on high IQ genes to the next generation.

        • The smart rich don’t allow their fortunes to be squandered even after they die. Trusts, investments, charities, etc. all keep even the stupidest heirs from losing everything.

        • Truth Teller

          Correct. However, regression to the mean is not likely to happen if you come from a long line of riches, with certain families marrying certain families for many generations.

          • Norseman

            Meaning in a sense that they constitute a separate gene pool?

        • Norseman

          “But, OTOH, wealthy parents who acquired their wealth the hard way most likely passed on high IQ genes to the next generation.”

          Which is why I originally suspected that new money UP would have higher IQs than old money UP.

    • Beloved Comrade

      I doubt it for European royalty. Theirs were positions of authority strictly through birth, nothing had to be earned.

      Upper-class families whose money was earned the hard way would more likely pass on high IQs, but there is regression to the mean or normal mean IQ for race in the next generation, which presents itself in black families where black children of wealthy black parents do worse than poor whites on mean-tested IQ and SAT tests.

      • Truth Teller

        Royalty would breed with the best families for generations. It may be strictly through birth but there are different breeding patterns.
        As for regression to the mean, this only happens when people fall outside the norm for their class. It’s not like families who keep breeding within the same elite circle of families and have had money and power for generations. In third world countries this is often the case.

  • Anon

    Esoteric gene studies no one really believes are not going to convince white people to stop feeding the black man when extreme, commonly observed behaviors that evidence mental defection, psychopathology and inhumanity do not.
    It’s like measuring the moisture content of the soil to try and convince someone to not lie about the fact that it rained that day. They need a slap in the face, not measurable scientific evidence they are not being truthful about reality.
    The problem is not ignorance. It’s bad faith. A-holism.

  • John

    I don’t know who said it originally but there’s an old saying that goes “the proof is in the pudding”. The pudding of IQ is the results from those IQs being applied to real world applications and problems. This process leads to something known as inventions, technology, advanced architecture and things like that. So to put his debate to bed, I’d like to see the pudding that has come out of these supposed really smart minorities, Jews, Asians and Indians. I don’t want to hear any crap about Nobel Prizes, science fair blue ribbons and stuff like that. Scholarly papers didn’t invent the Internet, transistors, radio, telephone, telegraph, TV, motion pictures, heavier than air flight; basically just about every invention of any consequence to today’s level of technology has been the result of a white person somewhere. I doubt if Edison, A.G. Bell or Marconi had any idea what their IQ was. Yet they and a host of others, all whites mind you, transformed the world for the betterment of everyone. For you non whites, I’ll paraphrase a line from the song “Another Brick in the Wall” by Pink Floyd; “…no pudding for you tonight”.

    • Beloved Comrade

      The Scottish schoolmaster, played by John Waters screams:

      “How can you have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat? You can’t have any pudding if you don’t eat yer meat?”

      Indians and Asians steal and copy because they cannot create, Jews do well in societies created by whites but they are a destructive force.

    • This is always my challenge to the kosher and Oriental supremacists. Where’s the evidence? Show me the cultures, the civilizations that have been the envy of the European world for centuries. Show me the inventions, the great art, the music, the scientific advancement, the original technologies.

      IQ is one metric but seems to be far from the most important one when it comes to the greatness of a people.

      • Luca

        Passing an IQ test is nice, but there are other features which come into play that are enormously important. Clearly Thomas Edison’s greatest strength was his ability to treat failure as a stepping-stone and not a roadblock.

        Consideration must be given to risk taking, persistence, working well with others, independent thinking, courage, conviction, ethics, morality, altruism, drive and innovation to name a few.

        Europeans possessed enough of the right qualities to shape the world for the last 500 years.

        • Clearly. And the fact that the anti-White IQ-supremacists have nothing to present as evidence of these other races’ supposed superiority, other than IQ, says it all. If Europeans are so self-evidently inferior, why do we not flock to Oriental and Hebraic countries instead of the other way around? Why are they flooding White countries, and only White countries, in droves?

        • dcc2379

          Luca, you have swallowed the diversity soup. Of course there are other things that are important. Ted Bundy was a genius. By all appearances, Mao Tse Tung was very intelligent. But, at the end of the day, and most prominent psychologist agree, other features only matter if one has a high IQ. You don’t pass an IQ test! No matter how much nurturing, grit, or perseverance, if one is dumb, he is dumb. That’s ok, for imagine what would happen if everyone was an Einstein (and not in the sense of telling children that they are great to inflate their self-esteems). A low IQ, besides maybe professional sports, Forest Gump, and some other anomalies, consigns one to a difficult life.

          • Luca

            Not true at all. I have friends and many acquaintances I know of, who are in the less than average range, but through common sense, good upbringing, morals, good work ethic etc have been able to carve out a comfortable, productive life, through sound judgement, hard work and persistence. Knowing right from wrong can go a long way in counter balancing a lower IQ score.

            As for the Diversity soup, the same can be said about some immigrants, blacks and hispanics who are to the left of the Bell Curve, but with the other qualities I mentioned, have achieved the same positive results.

            What good is a high IQ that goes unused, or is channeled towards evil? A high IQ alone is not a redeeming quality. I have met many highly educated, bright, Liberals who could not figure out right from wrong.

            Other virtuous qualities and a less than average IQ are far more preferable.

          • dcc2379

            You prove my point. There are exceptions to intelligence and morality, but lack of intelligence impacts morality. Why do you think blacks commit most violent crimes? Where are more crimes committed: African nations or White nations? Lacking a superior frontal cortex impacts a lack of empathy, future-oriented thinking, and the development of a code of ethics. You having or not having friends, be they black or white, young or old, moral or immoral does not change the destiny of genetics or the larger statistical picture. Trust me, with your thinking, imagine if the world economy ended tomorrow and you were thrust into the housing projects with your black and Hispanic friends that you claim are moral, even if lower intelligence. What do you think would happen?

  • Elena Andbasket

    It seems possible that gene therapy might one day be used to improve the IQs of sub-normal groups. This might not be a good thing. A certain type, as well as having low IQ, has clearly demonstrable increased violent and criminal behaviour, a propensity for cruelty and low impulse control. Under these circumstances the fact that these people are also stupid is probably fortuitous.

    • dcc2379

      Do you have forced sterilization in mind when you say gene therapy?

  • Jotun Hunter

    that is merely adjusting the description of free will. Whether it is my will or my brain doing it, I choose to do things I’m likely to choose to do.

    • a multiracial individual

      I think that people that make this move are really changing the subject. Instead of acknowledging that our will emerges from a place that we do not understand, and have no control over (the subconscious) , and how utterly damaging that is to the notion that we have free will. Many appear to simply throw up their hands and say, “The recesses of your brain that you don’t control is still YOU.” I dont get it.

  • Jotun Hunter

    oh Engelman

    oh sweet, sweet Engelman

    • Katherine McChesney

      disgusting isn’t he?

  • BonV.Vant

    what data is this based on?

    • JohnEngelman

      Orientals are present in our finest universities in numbers far out of proportion to their numbers in the U.S. population.

      • Luca

        Was the testing for your graph done in the US? Did it ever occur to you that Asia is sending its best and brightest here to be educated? Or perhaps only the rich Asians, like professionals with higher IQ’s, can emigrate and the poorer ones with lower IQ’s stay behind.

        That would certainly skew the IQ testing.

        Or did you go out and test every Asian in Asia?

      • Paul

        So is your bunch. but we do know why.

        • JohnEngelman

          Everybody does. Some of us admire them for it. Others resent them.

      • So what? I’m even married to one, but SO WHAT? If we each have the right to compete with one another, we also have the right to not be displaced from our own homes.

        That is what you are really trying to justify, is it not? If you say they are superior, the logical answer is not our own miscegnation with them, but our replacement by them.

        Surely this is an attempt to deny us the right to live anywhere at all.

        I will not always press for your banishment from American Renaissance as some have done, though you have convinced me with your own words that you have no love of country nor your own people..

        I tried to convince Mr. Engelman, and I am just plain done. I will never stick up for him again. Please go ruin the next one, too, J.E. I’m out there with the rest now.

        • JohnEngelman

          I appreciate people on the basis of their own characteristics, rather than on their membership in a nation or race.

        • JohnEngelman

          I am opposed to affirmative action. You seem to favor affirmative action on behalf of white Gentiles.

  • BonV.Vant

    are you clearing a blockage or something?

  • Sloppo

    I guess that chart explains the stereotypical European-American industrial spies which go to China to steal technology invented by those incredibly intelligent east asians.

  • Max

    As do I.

    We will just have to allow for differing definitions. I think it is a gross overstatement that epigenetic influences are “…as important as the underlying codons themselves” to which I responded. If it were so, people would vary as much as horses and daffodils.

  • r j p

    Average American IQ is 100. But actually average American IQ is 102 after you back out negroes.
    Back out meztizos and muzzies and White American IQ probably rises to 104-105.

    • JohnEngelman

      In his book ” Intelligence and the Wealth and Poverty of Nations” Richard Lynn, who has spoken at American Renaissance conferences, estimates that the average IQ in the United States is 98. The average for China is 100, The countries with the five highest averages are Oriental.

      http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

  • dcc2379

    James Watson accidentally stated the scientific fact that blacks have lower intelligence than whites. There is a reason there are no black Einsteins in the world. Yet, James Watson was tarred and feathered for his views. Anything that goes against the orthodoxy by undesirables (e.g., Paul Ryan says the same thing dear leader says and yet Ryan, not Soetoro, is the racist).

  • Luca

    As usual, you did not directly answer my question, however, your chart by Richard Lynn is interesting. It appears Northern Asian overall do have a higher IQ. Emphasis on Northern.

    Now please explain why Israel comes in at 94 while the US is 98. Keep in mind the US has a greater number of low IQ diverse types dragging it down to more than offset any numbers of high IQ Whites and Asians.

    The US is about 73% White (inclusive of Arabs) and Israel is about 80% Jewish/Christian and 20% Arab. The Arab factor is not as bad as our Black/Hispanic factor.

    • JohnEngelman

      Richard Lynn has often been criticized on that 94 figure. He attributes it to the large number of non Ashkenazi Jews and Arabs in Israel.

      • Paul

        Amazing how you pick and choose the figures you like.

        • JohnEngelman

          There is plenty of evidence that Ashkenazi Jews are of superior intelligence. An outlier figure like an average IQ of 94 for Israel needs to be explained somehow.

          • Paul

            What needs to be explained is why someone who loves Jews and Asians and looks down on white gentiles regularly attends this site.

          • JohnEngelman

            I enjoy drawing attention to the racial superiority of Jews and Orientals documenting my assertions with material I have found on this site.

          • Paul

            My advice to you is to come out of your basement, man up and look around you. Your country was Carved from the wilderness by white gentiles, Neither Jew nor Asian. Have a look what your wonderful Asians created for themselves in their own countries before the white man came along. Japanese for example had not even learnt how to build foundations for their dwellings before the white man. Just one of a million ways that they had to be dragged into modernity by the white man

      • Norseman

        According to Wikipedia, the number of Ashkenazi Jews in Israel is app. 2.8 mill. of a total Israeli population of app. 8.05. That would make Ashkenazi Jews comprise app. 34-35% of the population.

        • JohnEngelman

          Byron M. Roth, American Renaissance, November 2011

          Why are Jews so successful?

          Richard Lynn, The Chosen People: A Study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement, Washington Summit Publishers, 2011, 408 pp. soft cover $39.00, hard cover $60.00.

          The Chosen People: A study of Jewish Intelligence and Achievement is the most recent work of Richard Lynn dealing with group differences in IQ and their ramifications…

          Professor Lynn begins by pointing out the extraordinary success of Jews in almost every field. In the 19th century the restrictions that had prevented most Jews from advanced nonreligious study began to be lifted in most of Western Europe, and by mid-century, “people began to observe that Jews were outstandingly successful, and began to speculate that this was attributable to their intellect.”…

          Prof. Lynn writes:

          [Jews] arrived as penniless refugees unable to speak the languages of their new countries; they were the “huddled masses” from the most backward region of Europe. Yet by the middle decades of the 20th century, the children and grandchildren of these immigrants were doing far better than their Gentile hosts on all indices of socioeconomic status and earnings and outperforming them by several orders of magnitude in obtaining elite academic distinction . . . .

          The development of IQ tests confirmed the impression that Jews were unusually intelligent, and Professor Lynn’s extensive review of the literature indicates that Jews in the US have an average IQ of 110 compared to 100 for other Europeans.
          http://www.amren.com/features/2011/12/the-chosen-people/

  • No genetic differences, huh? Whitetail deer and mule deer can and do crossbreed in the wild. The resulting hybrid has a gait quite unlike the run of a white-tail or the bounding leaps – “stotts” – of a mule deer. It is an inefficient gait that leaves the hybrids acutely vulnerable to predators. This is open literature.

    As for “this is racist”, that term has no real meaning. It is simply a code for “this makes leftists uncomfortable”. Finally, take an English writing class (or six or seven). You have used no coherent punctuation and have not capitalized anything in your sentence fragments. If I was your high school English teacher, I would slit my wrists.

    • dcc2379

      Bravo, Michael. No genetic difference is what libtards have indoctrinated in America’s youth for going on three generations. It is difficult to find a white teacher that doesn’t believe as mrcan does. Of course, genetics is freely associated with everything else in the body, such as height, weight, diseases, life span, and appearance, but somehow the brain and intelligence is a tabla rasa in everyone. Remarkable anyone could be stupid enough to believe the brain somehow defies genetics and just is. As I’ve pointed out elsewhere, forensic anthropologists can determine the race of a human by examining bones. Also, as is well known, there is a difference in brain size between the races. Of course, to admit any of this would mean we would be foolish to throw more money down the diversity gap.

  • The short version I remember from 9th grade geometry is “‘For instance’ is not proof.”

  • Paul

    How did I know Engelman would be back here. Probably with a story of how Asians had the most patents for new toilet seat technology this year.

  • a multiracial individual

    Is this to scale? The tails look far too high.

  • ThurberGhosttown

    Any gene that can lower levels of thyroid will decrease intelligence. However, the gene would also stunt growth. I doubt very many tall people would have this gene.
    Identifying this gene will make it easier to treat some people with thyroid disorders. If treatment is started early enough there will be no cognitive impairment. Maybe in the future nano technology can repair the damaged gene.

  • ThurberGhosttown

    I would imagine that since this was England . That those with the gene are as white as snow. So, this is a perfect group for gene therapy.