Posted on March 19, 2014

1999 NYC Firefighter Examination

AR Staff, American Renaissance, March 19, 2014

New York City has agreed to shell out $98 million to blacks and Hispanics who claim firefighter exams administered in 1999 and 2002 were “racially biased.” Below is one version of the 1999 exam. We challenge our readers to see if they can spot the bias.

1999 NYC Firefighter Written Test

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  • MekongDelta69

    I got none write… rite… aiite.

    Gibsmedat

  • sbuffalonative

    I once went to the central library and looked at the firefighters test.

    It was just like the one here. Most of the questions were straight forward. Anyone of average IQ could answer them. Others referred to specialized equipment and situations that would have been taught in classes and lectures.

  • sbuffalonative

    I believe we should approach disparate impact differently.

    We need to raise the question of collusion.

    Are minorities colluding to do poorly on these tests because they know that if enough fail the test can be challenged as biased and minorities will simply be given jobs.

    I do understand that many minorities aren’t ‘faking it’ but I believe it’s important to raise this issue.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      Never blame on malice that which can be explained by stupidity.

      • sbuffalonative

        I understand it’s easy to make light of this and I know the truth as well as you do but we need to press this issue.

        Are blacks colluding to discredit these tests?

        We need to ask this question and raise suspicion.

        • Rosenmops

          I don’t think they could plan that far ahead.

          • jane johnson

            But their enablers could. “Pay no mind to the man behind the curtain”.

          • sbuffalonative

            THANK YOU for getting it.

          • sbuffalonative

            People keep dismissing this idea.

            When a defense lawyer argues a case, he don’t simply stick to the facts (blacks aren’t smart enough to plan ahead). He finds every avenue to discredit his opposition. The point is to cast doubt and raise questions. It’s called ‘reasonable doubt’ and it’s used very effectively to win cases.

            We need to raise this question. Are blacks conspiring (either on their own or with the help of outside sources) to deliberately do poorly to discredit tests?

            It’s a valid question that would throw blacks and their apologists into a tailspin.

            Please stop dismissing this idea and think about it seriously. Bring it up on webposts and put blacks and their apologists on the defensive.

      • gloob

        Hey, another fan of John Michael Greer! His quote is: “Never blame on conspiracy what can be adequately explained by greed and stupidity. ”

        I would urge all of you here (I wish I could be here more often) to read JMG. He’s not one of us, but he is without a doubt one hell of an amazing intellect. If you want to know what’s going on in the world and where we’re going, read him. But again, while he calls himself a Burkean conservative that doesn’t extend to race, a topic he avoids. His one blind spot. Respect the man and his house. I’ve been reading him for over seven years and have learned so very much. And don’t expect to get the full picture of JMG from only just one essay (one a week). He’s way bigger than that.

        The biggest thing thats missing from discussions within our movement is an awareness of peak oil and the effect that energy issues will have on our future civilization.

    • MikeofAges

      Every time this issue comes up, I say the same thing. The minority group members who could qualify as firefighters are making other career choices, such as going into law enforcement or the military. Or into other civil service careers. Get some of those people to apply as firefighters, and you could solve the problem.

      Why NYC did was comb the dregs of the lower middle class workforce for applicants. More than 99 percent failed.

      • sbuffalonative

        I listen to local black talk radio.

        Whenever the issue of police and firefighter tests come up, blacks are encouraged to take these tests. Not because they want to be cops and firemen but because they’re seen as high-paying and relatively easy jobs.

        We all know cops and firemen can be required to deal with horrific events but most of the time their work consists of waiting for something to happen. Police used to say that the sitcom Barney Miller was an accurate depiction of police work; dealing with loonies and petty offenses.

        I’m not disparaging police and firemen who can be called on to put their lives in danger in a heartbeat but the stories I hear from cops the majority of time simply make your eyes roll.

        • MikeofAges

          Still, you need qualified people. Get those who are qualified to apply, and you won’ have a problem with minority firefighters. Maybe they just don’t want to go into that work. For autonomous reason. Imagine that. An autonomous reason why some group is “over” or “under” represented in a particular vocation. Can’t have that.

      • AndrewInterrupted

        I experienced the same social engineering mindset at a defense contractor. Diversity darlings you met rarely had any interest going in. They were inserted by the diversity gods. That puts a big burden on the people who are left, and are being ‘…what they wanted to be when they grew up…’

  • dd121

    A test to see if you can carry and point a hose. How hard can it be?

    • sbuffalonative

      Well, it does require work and effort so there’s that…

      • thomas edward

        “work and effort” – you a racist…

    • newscomments70

      You have to learn about venting gasses, flashovers, auto ignition temperature, and backdrafts. It is important to understand fire science, which is basically physics. There are four different classifications of fires, each requiring a different extinguishing agent. If a bunch of idiots try to extenquish an elecrical fire by pointing a hose, what do you think will happen? Or a pool of burning jet fuel? Fire fighting also requires tremendous bravery and self risk. All of that is hard.

      • dd121

        Collateral damage.

      • Martel

        Great point.

    • Ballard Resident

      Your glib rejoinder is part of the reason the MassaCard carriers, mainly those who control the racial offense industry and its enabling money, get away with what they do.

      You show no respect for the complexities of this job. Neither do people who want quotas to be the gold standard of public employment. These are job complexities that require advanced intelligence, the ability to stay calm, focused, and part of an effective team, while assessing constantly changing emergency situations with complex possible outcomes. All of this while on the spot and in minimum time, troubleshooting and using a wide range of tools effectively.

      “Point the hose and shoot”–that’s a seriously dumbed down version of the job…but one that seriously dumbed down people would assume it to be and thus demand a job for frivolous reasons like melanin in the skin.

      There was a news copter crash in downtown Seattle the other day. I read accounts of that and was amazed when one of the commenting firefighters said proudly, “And we kept the fuel tanks from draining into the Sound.” (The Puget Sound, next to the crash site.) I can honestly say that i would never have thought of that, known what to do about it or thought to head it off while trying to fight a terrible fire and assess the need for emergency care for an unknown bunch of civilians on the street or in nearby buildings.

      As for the test, I don’t see how anyone who lacks basic reading, calculating and reasoning skill could come in at less than about one standard deviation above the mean. I used to design survey and testing instruments; this test looks remarkably well put together.

      The more of this stuff I see, the more I think we need to bust AFSCME and other public employee unions. They have become shelters for incompetents and drains on the public purse in a way the old patronage-based civil service systems used to be. There are now entire classes of inept people milking the unions for all they can.

      I always supported unions, because back in industrial Baltimore (my home town back to the late 1800s) they were the last hope of highly skilled white industrial workers to band together and hold their own with corporations that used and discarded them and their families and communities. (White genocide didn’t start with Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson.)

      I still support public sector unions in states where the workforce is higher IQ and largely competent. In places like NY, they are part of the undertow, and this test points to why. Thought exercise: why aren’t the firefighters unions striking to demand that genuine standards of performance be applied, rather than quotas?

      • AndrewInterrupted

        To dd’s point, I think the difference is between whether or not you’re testing for the Fire Dept. or for a promotion where life & death decisions are made. SCOTUS – New Haven-20 was about testing for promotion. Typically, critical decisions aren’t made by grunts. As best I understand dd’s point.

      • dd121

        You must be new here. Quotas are already the law of the land. The merit based Federal Service Entrance Exam (an IQ test) was a dead letter after a 1973 ruling by the Supreme Court. That is the year the whole notion of merit based hiring went out the window. We whites are being race replaced and for the left, tests only get in the way. That was 41 years ago..

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Read the test. Not exactly a cake walk.

  • Fighting_Northern_Spirit

    You may NOT take this Question Booklet with you.
    .
    Well that right there discriminates against minorities. Right on page one! How are they going to cheat without seeing the questions first? Sheesh, these White people with their White privilege.

    Seriously, this is simple reading comprehension. I know nothing about firefighting and I could ace this test.

    • sbuffalonative

      One of the conspiracy theories blacks espouse is that white folk form study groups and help other whites.

      It’s likely true that whites do form groups but it never seems to occur to blacks that they too can form study groups with veteran black firefighters and cops.

    • Who Me?

      “I know nothing about firefighting and I could ace this test.”

      Same here. I answered all the questions up to about 32 just from reading the test and the questions as printed above, at which point I got tired of it and quit. I had the right answers, as it turns out. Most of them are just common-sense, and reading the information provided above the question. Well, I guess that’s why the test is racist–some folks just have no common-sense…

  • r j p

    It discriminates because it has a lot of questions and negroes can’t concentrate for the amount of time required to complete.

    Do black firefighter wannabees seriously have to study for this thing?

  • NoMosqueHere

    It’s the old “disparate impact” analysis claptrap.

    First, the judge (Judge Nicholas Garaufis, EDNY) made the extraordinary findings that the written test has no valid relationship to fire fighter job skills; and since blacks and spanish fail it disproportionately, it is illegal under Title VII.

    Most lawyers are good at logic. They buy into this illogical argument for PC reasons, not intellectual ones. NYC has been blessed with a mostly white fire fighter corp. Will they miss it when its gone?

    • sbuffalonative

      Just one time, ONE TIME, I’d love to hear a judge ask the plaintiff to actually point out the questions that they consider racially biased.

      No judge ever seems to ask for, you know, EVIDENCE.

  • BillMillerTime

    Whenever I hear the plaintiff whining about culturally-biased tests of cognitive ability, I remember that old skit from Saturday Night Live April 9, 1977. Garrett Morris plays the host of a talk show, “Black Perspective,” and his guest is played by Julian Bond. In regards to the superior average IQ of whites to blacks, Julian Bond’s character says, ” the measurements of IQ which form the basis of comparison come from tests composed by whites for whites. The tests are culturally biased; it’s not surprising that whites would score better than blacks.”

    Garrett Morris: Could you give us an example of what you’re talking about?

    Julian Bond: Certainly. Here are some questions that have appeared on recent I.Q. tests. Number one:
    ‘You have been invited over for cocktails by the officer of your trust fund. Cocktails begin at 4:30, but you must make an appearance at a 6:00 formal dinner at the Yacht Club. What do you do about dress?
    A. Wear your blue-striped seersucker suit to cocktails and change into your tuxedo in the bathroom, apologizing to your host for the inconvenience.
    B. Wear your tuxedo to cocktails, apologizing to your host for wearing a dinner jacket before 6:00 PM.
    C. Walk to the subway at Columbus Circle and take the “A” Train uptown.’

    Garrett Morris: Uh.. I guess I’d choose the last one.

    Julian Bond: I’m sorry, that’s incorrect.

    Garrett Morris: Damn.

    Julian Bond: Here’s another: “When waxing your skis for a cross-country run, you should…”

    The 1970s were truly a different era. Given the predominance of cultural Marxism, there is simply no way that such a skit today would ever be produced for nationwide broadcast.

    • Olorin

      And why should it be?

      The skit was wrong. IQ tests are NOT racially or culturally biased, unless by bias you mean they test and measure the ability to apply reasoning skills (performance, not ability), and as we know those are not equally distributed in all people.

      It is a LIE that IQ tests ask about cocktail parties and skis.

      Look at this list of the scales of the Wechsler, which is the most widely used IQ assessment.

      http://www.iupui.edu/~flip/wechsler.html

      IMO, growing up in the ’70s, SNL was a big contributor to the state-enforced kumbaya of the present era, and all the degeneracy and destruction it has caused while recreating a (liberal Democrat run) plantation for blacks. While telling blacks they are more special than the rest of us.

      • BillMillerTime

        Seriously? Are you really that humor impaired? Of *course* no genuine IQ test such as Wechsler’s Intelligence Scales or Raven’s Progressive Matrices requires knowledge of cocktail parties, trust funds, yacht clubs, attire etiquette, skiing, or which fork to use. That’s what makes the skit so funny! The skit ridicules the notion that IQ tests are somehow culturally biased in favor of white people. You can see the skit in its entirety at youtube [dot] com [forward slash] watch?v=Ks3KV2swqZg. Go to 2:05.

        It is not my intent to be mean or personally aggressive towards you, but it appears to me that the humor went right over your head.

  • First you have to pass the intake test. Then, if you pass, you are trained using materials similar to the test. If you can’t pass the intake test, how can you graduate from the training classes, which are going to involve more tests.

    I’m sure New Yorkers are going to feel safer now that low IQ nonwhite firefighters are their First Responders. Watch one of these morons make a bonehead move, die in a fire, and the family sue for putting him in a dangerous situation without proper training.

    This country is sick and needs to be put out of its misery.

  • Roninf9

    This “test” is ridiculous. It is beyond easy. This is 5th grade level material at best. This test controversy proves two things. Most Negroes and Hispanics are illiterate morons and that we are ruled by crazed Globo-Marxists intent on wrecking Western Civilization.

    • sbuffalonative

      And the problem is that most blacks don’t seem to have a 5th grade level of understanding.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      The most ironic thing for me is that it was a testing period between 1999 and 2002. Meaning: they might not be alive today if they had passed it (9-11-2001).

  • Reverend Bacon

    I spotted the racism right away. It’s essentially an IQ test, even though anyone with an IQ above 100 should get 100% (except for the memory part, which is actually a nice idea for a test). Our cultural bias toward intelligence is just one of those obsolete artifacts we need to abandon.

    It’s racist to think that you’d want a firefighter to be able to quickly assess a situation in order to save your life. It’s racist to think that you’d want a firefighter to be able to follow directions like which order to put on his gear. After all, if they put on their gear in a culturally preferable manner to that which is dictated by the “man,” they may injure themselves and thus qualify for additional reparations in the form of lawsuits.

    Yes, in fact even asking the examinee to write his name is racist, because the only name that can be written is the slave name, not the African name with all the clicks and stuff. This exam has insensitivity written all over it.

  • Mason Gull

    I bet it was because all the example firefighters had white names. They have Lt. Kelly and Firefighter Simms, but what about Lt. DeMarquan and Firefighter Guzman?

    • AndrewInterrupted

      I saw one Hispanic name in it. I want to say it was Rosario?

      But, if you’re right, that pretty much proves the case that this is all about semantics for the purpose of quotas and equal results.

    • kikz

      there was the word ‘White’ in one of the address names.. Whitehorse.. #4.. possibly that was ‘rayyyycissss’ >:)

  • Luca

    Well, I could certainly pass the test. Now if I can only find some black shoe polish and change my name to Gomez, I may be able to embark on a second career.

  • So CAL Snowman

    Well for starters the test is in English and not in ebonics or spanish and it appears that a rudimentary understanding of how to count to 100 is involved, so I could see why this test is considered extremely racist.

  • negrolocaust

    the black chief of the baltimore fire dept. produced a video that was run locally that stated: “WE ARE NOT… LOOKING FOR WHITE APPLICANTS, WE ARE SPECIFICALLY SEEKING WOMEN AND MINORITY APPLICANTS TO THE BALTIMORE FIRE DEPT”. the baltimore police dept are the same way. his name by the way was kevin clark. also if you want to hear essentially a three hour infomercial for a book listen to the mark levin show or rush limpballs. if you want to hear a real radio talk show listen to michael savage. a youtuber called onlythebest posts his shows. also what ever happened to the story about the black neighbor who raped and shot in the head the lady doctor and her sister in pittsburgh last month? al did not mention that on his show…they were white so their lives don’t matter eh? pathetic

  • Pelagian

    I dont really want a fireman on the force if he’s going to feel “alienated” having to rescue me because my last name is McGillicuddy, and I live on Hidden Valley Hollow Drive.

    • newscomments70

      That type of fireman won’t even rescue his own people.

  • negrolocaust

    by the way…to anybody calling emergency services in your area. you have the right to demand that white personnel, either firefighters, police, or paramedics show up if you call. i would suggest that you do that, unless you want your family to be cared for by someone who had to have the tests lowered for them to pass. just say “i want a white officer to respond” if they don’t you have a lawsuit.

    • Martel

      That is why I love America.

    • Who Me?

      If you said that it would be deemed racist, and no-one would show up.

  • jane johnson

    blacks are again feeling stressed
    This time, it’s over a test
    But it’s always we Whites
    Who lose more of our rights
    So tell me, who’s really oppressed?

    • Reverend Bacon

      Those blacks will be getting their turn;
      and they lack the genetics to learn,
      So minority hires
      will be fighting fires,
      But I’m betting they’ll just let us burn.

      • Alexandra1973

        You guys trying to get AmRen to start a limerick contest?

        That’s actually a neat idea….

        • AndrewInterrupted

          I requested a variation of the: “…You know you’re a redneck when…” genre. But, instead of “redneck” have it prefaced with “…You know it’s the end of western civilization when…”

          My suggestion appears to have belly-flopped at the morning meaning. <:-(

          That was when someone mentioned that Atlanta had placed urine detection systems in their subway systems.

        • NoMosqueHere

          If you’re white
          U better fight
          For your right
          To fight fires
          But black & spanish hires
          Will turn it into a funeral pyre

    • Olorin

      D’An’Twan and LaQuishta smelled fires
      They phoned up the new AA hires
      The department sent trucks (eight)
      But response was all fuxxate
      “Blame white men–our hoods now be pyres!”

      • Reverend Bacon

        Something ironically jolly,
        will result from DeBlasio’s folly:
        When Harlem’s on fire,
        All the blacks, like a choir,
        will sing “send the whiteys, by golly.”

    • silviosilver

      “Testing is biased!” officialdom spatters,
      Declaring itself expert on such pressing matters,
      Yet the effects of IQ
      Cannot help but shine through,
      In doing so leaving their thesis in tatters.

    • Reverend Bacon

      They ignore distributions of Gauss,
      When it comes to New York’s fire house;
      This is bound to enrage us
      When the ones come to save us,

      all look like DeBlasio’s spouse.

  • OhWow

    Ohh! Ohh! Ms. Crabtree! Pick me!

    It requires cognitive capacity. That’s why it’s discriminatory. The standards must now be so that a rock can pass it (and therefore blacks).

    By the way, isn’t it hilarious that the people saying the test is discriminatory are ironically race realists? One person on the board literally said “There is too much emphasis on the cognitive aspects”. Well, what’s wrong with that? Oh, yeah. Blacks are not as intelligent on average.

    Once again, apparently we shouldn’t be moving the football. We should be moving the goal post closer.

  • A question on a promotion test (not an entrance test) for the St. Louis City Fire Department, a test that some thought discriminatory, but thankfully the Federal courts didn’t, required one to be able to divide 90 by 30.

    Kinda scary that officers had to know it but not line level firefighters.

    • dd121

      Let’s face it, this isn’t about a test, it’s about race replacement.

      • sbuffalonative

        Yes, but it’s also about dismantling standards.

        What they’re after is doing away with any and all standards.

        Blacks can’t meet the standard? Do away with the standard (test).

        • AndrewInterrupted

          Yup. The race-to-the-bottom strikes again. Lowering the bar as low as it needs to go until we reach the 3rd World.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      SCOTUS – New Haven-20 was also promotion related.

  • JohnEngelman

    Requiring the ability to read English and to be reasonably intelligent is seen as being biased in favor of whites.

  • Clarence Moore

    Is it bias because it would require effort on their part to pass?

  • Clarence Moore

    I guess it’s bias because it requires effort on their part to pass the test!!

  • newscomments70

    I remember reading a book written by a white fireman in the South Bronx. The book was called, “Report from Engine Co. 82 (1972)” by Dennis Smith. All of the firefighters were white in that precinct, but most of the inhabitants were third world. At that time one could contact the fire department with pull boxes. Black and hispanic children were constantly pulling these boxes. Most of their calls were false alarms. Their lunch would be interrupted three times or more with false alarms. Real fires were horrific. The old five story tenements would burn aggressively. They would often show up too late because the false alarms. While they were risking their lives extinquishing the fires, black and hispanic children would watch on the sidelines and yell, “white pig motherf—-r”.

    I personally knew an older fireman from Boston. The rear seat on ladder truck was covered in a heavy plastic shield. I asked what that was for. The fireman replied that protected the personel from black youths throwing rocks an ice heaves at them.

    Who the hell would want to be a white firefighter in one of our third world cities?

  • NorthernWind

    THAT’s what the test looks like? And they failed it?

    This racial discrimination industry is unbelievably absurd.

    • AndrewInterrupted

      Oh, you can’t shame that crowd. I worked around those social engineering shakedown people for years. They are soulless. We need revolution. If I were president after 2016 I would shut down the EEOC and the OFCCP in the first 100 hours.

  • I think he not only stayed on the force, but started an alternate black only SLPD association, “Ethical Society of Police.”

  • AndrewInterrupted

    Yes, the social engineering critics call it equal results. Whatever way the numbers need to be jumbled, however much smoke and mirrors needed, all to tidy up the diversity pie chart. Fraud by another name.

  • newscomments70

    That’s not a solution. There would be no sensational lawsuit for free money, and they would look stupid. We would be letting them win. They want to fabricate some kind of artificial crusade. Without that, they are too obvious.

  • Some Guy