A Different Kind Of Catholicism Grows in Latino Communities

Marlon Bishop and Maria Hinojosa, NPR, January 23, 2014

In the Saint Anthony of Padua Church in the Bronx, Wednesday night is prayer meeting night.

Fifty people gather in the spare assembly room for a ceremony that looks very different from a Catholic Sunday Mass.

For one thing, the service is led by a woman rather than a male priest. She preaches excitedly while a rock band of young Salvadoran immigrants backs her up.

Some people in the audience hold up their hands; others are swaying gently. There are tears in the crowd.

Suddenly, the woman stops speaking in Spanish and begins speaking in tongues.

It may sound indecipherable, but for the faithful, it’s a sacred language given to them by the Holy Spirit.

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For members of the Charismatic Catholic movement, worship centers on establishing a personal connection with God.

According to a recent survey conducted by NPR, the Robert Wood Johnson Foundation and the Harvard School of Public Health, about one-third of Latino Catholics in the U.S. identify as Charismatic. For non-Latino Catholics, this number is closer to one-tenth, according to an earlier poll by the Pew Research Center.

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There are also miraculous healings and prophesying. It’s very similar to what you’d expect to see at a Pentecostal church—where the number of Latino converts is growing quickly.

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By joining the Charismatic movement, Latinos can have those kinds of intense spiritual experiences without cutting their ties with the Catholic Church.

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Charismatic Catholicism in the U.S. dates back about 50 years. Latinos are a driving force in the movement today.

The Rev. Jim Sheehan, a Charismatic priest and chaplain at Bronx Community College, says traditional Catholicism just isn’t connecting with the Latinos he ministers to, especially recent immigrants who are struggling.

“I think that many of us have a distant relationship with a God of the future,” says Sheehan. “Charismatics, Latinos expect God to come today—hoy día.”

Despite the Charismatic movement’s success in engaging Latinos, Sheehan says, some more conservative members of the Catholic Church disapprove of the healings and speaking in tongues.

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The movement’s influence on the Catholic community worldwide was clearly visible during last year’s World Youth Day celebrations in Brazil.

Though he was an early skeptic, Pope Francis told reporters that the movement has had a positive influence on the Catholic Church.

“I don’t think that the Charismatic renewal movement merely prevents people from passing over to Pentecostal denominations,” said the pope. “No, it’s a service to the church herself—it renews us.”

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  • Jesse James

    Just another stop along the great brown ghettoization of Christianity. First they make our neighborhoods, malls and schools unfit for whites to live in and now they are destroying our churches.

    • bigone4u

      Then we tell our current churches to go to hell and we start new churches or even new religions. Between pedophile priests and suck-up “pastors” I want nothing to do with organized religion anyway.

      • Troy Swonger

        The sooner White people realize that religion is nothing but myth, we will all be better off. Morality was bred into Eurasian hominids long before the human creation of religion. A good portion of the ten commandments are self-serving for the churches and clergy, and have nothing to do with human morality.

      • So CAL Snowman

        Perhaps a return to the Pagan Gods of our ancestors is in order? Give me some Balder, Heimdall, Odin, Thor and Loki (my favorite).

        • Alfred the Great

          I think about Valhalla more and more.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            A stupid kind of Catholicism Grows Up in IQ Challenged Communities…

            Hey, I’m a master of the obvious!

            We need a religion of Blood and Soil…

            Chop chop!

          • KevinPhillipsBong

            I think a sort of ancestor worship might be a good start.

          • Erasmus

            Agreed. Like it or not the eskimos and the Asians, with their Confucianism, are conscious that the lives of their forebears impinge on their own today. If more Americans recognized that, they’d be less phlegmatic about leaving a mongrelized, 3rd world country to their descendants.

          • Mark Hillyard

            Speaking of ancestors here’s what we are told to do…”1 “Listen to me, you who pursue righteousness,
            you who seek the LORD:
            look to the rock from which you were hewn,
            and to the quarry from which you were dug.
            2 Look to Abraham your father
            and to Sarah who bore you;
            for he was but one when I called him,
            that I might bless him and multiply him.” Isaiah 51
            However we aren’t told to worship Abraham just to understand that God promised great things to him and his descendants. There are 12 tribes of Israel. The Jews come from one tribe, Judah, and they are only a small part of the whole tribe of Judah. Truth in History!

          • Ray

            I agree, let us start with Antonio Gramsci.

          • Einsatzgrenadier

            Europeans wouldn’t have to put up with massive third world immigration and rampant multiculturalism if they still believed in the old pagan gods.

          • Ray

            Scandies are mostly atheist now, they aren’t going to revert to a polytheistic religion.

        • fuzzypook

          They are my ancient peoples gods. I am Scandinavian. I think I will make it a point to learn more about them. Know any good books Snowman?

          • So CAL Snowman

            I enjoyed The Viking Gods: Pagan Myths of Nordic Peoples by Clive Barrett. Awesome artwork and its cheap.

        • KevinPhillipsBong

          Wait…isn’t Heimdall a black guy?
          😉

          • So CAL Snowman

            Only in Hollywood. . .

        • Ray

          You really think the atheists will let you get away with that one.

          • Anna Tree

            I am an atheist but I am not anti-religion, as long as they follow the golden rule and like Einsatzgrenadier said, not afflicted with white guilt and other liberal leftist dogmas.

      • Anna Tree

        Let’s create a white racialist religion.

  • borogirl54

    The Catholic church is allowing this to prevent more defections to Pentecostalism. They have been dependent on Latinos, especially in parishes in formerly white neighborhoods.

    • bilderbuster

      Pentecostals are just a step away from Snake Handlers.
      If only we can convince the Latinos to take the extra step.

      • William Krapek

        Oh you! You’re el diablo.

        🙂

  • LovelyNordicHeidi

    “Suddenly, the woman stops speaking in Spanish and begins speaking in tongues.”

    Churches are doomed to become nuthouses because of the Hispanic enrichment.

    • Paul

      The return to superstition and stupidity that comes with filling our countries with second and third world functional illiterates.

    • Anna Tree

      “Churches are doomed to become nuthouses because of the Hispanic enrichment.” in the US.
      In Europe, churches are doomed to become mosques because of the muslim enrichment.

    • jeffaral

      Primitive people have primitive religions. My religion? I personally worship beautiful aryan women.

      • Einsatzgrenadier

        I’d rather worship beautiful Aryan women than some cosmic Jewish zombie who can rise from the dead and walk on water. At least beautiful Aryan women actually exist.

      • LovelyNordicHeidi

        Do not forget to pray daily to the unified spirit of beautiful aryan women! And also pray for their conversion to realism! 🙂

        • jeffaral

          Surely I pray everyday to Freya, the Godess of love,beauty,fertility,gold,war,and death. And I truly believe that you, Heidi, is the reincarnation of Freya. Du bist unsere Goettin!

          • Ray

            do you go frost giant hunting too

          • LovelyNordicHeidi

            Und, Jeff, du bist Wotan! Ich bete um mutige Männer die uns schützen werden gegen das Gefahr der kulturellen Vielfalt.

  • Druid

    A Different Kind Of Catholicism Grows in Latino Communities
    _____________________________________________
    Here’s the “difference.” The illegal aliens will never put a dime in the collection, nor put any effort into the parish and will take with both hands everything they can get their hands on, led by a bunch of stinking lazy priests. Every time I lay eyes on my parish priest, I want to vomit.

  • William Krapek

    Ironically the Catholic clergy are the best educated religious leaders on the planet, and alongside atheists they have the highest IQs in the Western world.

    (Yes. They’re even smarter and better educated than Rabbis. You have to have a college degree before you can even start your training as a “simple” priest. Then they go up from there.)

    They’ve also had a huge impact on modern science; from its creation all the way to modern times. It was a Belgian priest who first came up with the Big Bang Theory. This is why I’m actually converting to Catholicism.

    That and the better theology.

    But I’m aware of the Africanization and Latinization of the religion, and frankly I dread dealing with this.

    • Katherine McChesney

      The Jesuits are intelligent people. Dangerous, but intelligent.

      • Alexandra1973

        The current pope is a Jesuit.

        And also look up the term “jesuitical” in an 1828 dictionary. You can find one online.

        The definition: JESUIT’ICAL, a. Pertaining to the Jesuits or their principles and arts. 1. Designing; cunning; deceitful; prevaricating.

        • Katherine McChesney

          The Military Arm of the Vatican. And authors of Liberation Theology. Enforcers of Redistribution of Wealth.

      • jeffaral

        The Jesuits are the the Pope’s stormtroopers. They try to undermine the nations by all subversive means, much like the Bolsheviks. They were oft expelled even from traditional Catholic countries.

      • Erasmus

        The Jesuits were intelligent and have been riding on their laurels for at least the last 40 years. Few today could teach you anything and most of what they now do prattle is pablum.

    • convairXF92

      Disagree that Catholic clergy are the best educated — have you ever gone to a Greek Orthodox service? My experience is that the Greek priests are heads above the Catholic clergy in knowledge, reasoning power and intellectual creativity.

    • Neuday

      Welcome Home, brother William. The church has an intellectual, emotional and spiritual richness unmatched in humanity, as you’d expect from the church Jesus gave us.

      Find a good conservative Catholic parish and enjoy. It’s a good life.

      There are intelligent priests and some dolts. Most are kind, but not all. Priests are human, but some are very very bright humans.

      • tlk244182

        Great icon. It’s only a slight exaggeration to say I owe everything to GKC. And it’s encouraging to meet someone here who sounds like he understands.

    • jeffaral

      You’ve forgotten to add that your high-IQ catholic clergy have the highest rates of sexual deviation.

      • William Krapek

        I’m so tired of that lame-assed Jewish propaganda. Nobody who deals with a lot of young people dealt with that well. The Catholics did at LEAST as well a everyone else. And the vast majority of the boys those priests molested had already hit puberty. Can’t say the same for the rabbis.

        They got a well known taste for the 7- and 8-year olds. A little habit they got from their time in Babylon. And it got them in a lot of trouble in Europe.

        And the Church also has the souls of the priests to worry about.

        • jeffaral

          Thank you for informing us that Catholic priests are considerate, pacient and kind hearted enough to wait until most boys reach their puberty to rape them.

          • LACounty

            The media never reports on any convicted Rabbi child molesters, so there mustn’t be any.

          • William Krapek

            My point is to stop picking on Catholics for a problem everyone had. That’s where you cross the line into propaganda.

          • LACounty

            Exactly. If some want to discuss Priest child molesters here, lets open it up to Rabbis. I’m all in. And I’m Catholic.

          • Erasmus

            Agreed, and at least the Catholic laity will admit when they’re clergy behave criminally. The Hassidim circle the wagons when the rabbi is accused and throw the accuser to the wolves.

          • Katherine McChesney

            There have also be nuns who were molesters.

          • LACounty

            Surely. Also cops, doctors, lawyers, teachers, brothers, sisters, fathers, mothers, etc. The point is that it’s much more exciting for the media to focus on Catholics. Google convicted Rabbi child molesters for example. The first source I found there were eighty-eight. That doesn’t mean Rabbis molest any more than others. But the shock value and that they are religious make it attractive for media and liberal atheists. Surely atheists have low child molestation rates. 🙂 If you’re a ‘true’ Catholic, you don’t molest children. They are Catholics in name only, hiding behind the cloth for purposes of abuse. The same goes for Rabbis. A few years ago when all the “Catholic” stuff was the focus, I researched child molestation rates by profession. Public school teachers had a higher rate than anyone I’ve mentioned here. But the media don’t care.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Is your comment an effort to cover up the vast number of Roman Catholic priest rapists? Sounds like you are excusing them. Typical cover-up. So much for the ‘one, true church’. The religion of the demon possessed. No wonder there are so many exorcisms.

          • SFLBIB

            “But the media don’t care.”

            Oh, they do care … about keeping it quiet so the story fits their narrative.

          • SFLBIB

            “…lets open it up to Rabbis and others.”

            Yeah, like public school teachers. When the state of New York wanted to pass a law targeting Catholic priests, the Church said OK but let’s include public school teachers as well. As far as I know, it never got beyond that.

          • Katherine McChesney

            Typical… Roman Catholics covering up their crimes. Moving their pedophiles from community to community. Raping children.

            Great religion. /sarc

      • LACounty

        Public school teachers have a higher rate. Now do a search on convicted Rabbis. The list may surprise you.

      • Erasmus

        Actually, no. Hasidic rabbis are the most sexually deviant, and many have the rap sheets to prove it. They go to the mikvah for a whole lot more than ritual purification.

    • KevinPhillipsBong

      Too bad they don’t get to pass on those high-IQ genes.

    • tlk244182

      I’m a convert. Welcome Home.

    • Druid

      I have no idea where all this stuff about intellect started. But it seems universal. Just because a person is smart, doesn’t mean he’s worth anything. I’ve known plenty of smart people who are the worst type of people you’d ever want to meet, and plenty of people who aren’t smart by any means who are excellent men. The thing I despise above all about priests is their absolute laziness. They wouldn’t put their hands to any type of manual labor if you pointed a loaded .45 automatic at them with a round in the chamber, the hammer back and threated to blow their brains out if they didn’t bend over and pick up a piece of trash. They’d defy you and you’d have to pull the trigger. That’s how lazy they are.

      • William Krapek

        I can see where you’re coming from here. I could argue but that’s cool.

        I am just soooo tired of hearing about that child abuse crap. It’s just an excuse to dump on Christians. Nobody really cares about those kids or those priests. Or worries about all the nuances here. They just want to TRASH CHRISTIANS.

        • GM (Australia)

          Child sexual abuse in the church is a dreadful problem but I do see an anti white male Christian thrust in this whole debate. Are there any inquiries or investigations or condemnation of well known Islamic child sex abuse practices?

          • Martel

            The same issues exist, possibly in higher rates, in boarding schools, orphanages, athletic associations etcetera. I found an article about it once,might have been frontpagemag.

      • Martel

        Throughout the 20th and now the 21th century, intellectuals have used their talents to betray us, to trivialize communist mass murder and too enforce political correctness.Intelligence is but a tool, how it is used depends on the personality and the principles of its owner.

    • Erasmus

      If you want to see what a scam the rabbinate is, check out FailedMessiah[dot]com.

      • William Krapek

        This is a goldmine. Thank you.

    • rebellisMMXII

      I’m so happy that you’re coming home. I found the book “The Essential Catholic Survival Guide”, by The Staff at Catholic Answers” to be very helpful before, during and after my personal conversion.

      Enjoy your journey.

  • Spartacus

    “For one thing, the service is led by a woman rather than a male
    priest. She preaches excitedly while a rock band of young Salvadoran
    immigrants backs her up.

    Some people in the audience hold up their hands; others are swaying gently. There are tears in the crowd.

    Suddenly, the woman stops speaking in Spanish and begins speaking in tongues.

    It may sound indecipherable, but for the faithful, it’s a sacred language given to them by the Holy Spirit.”

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    Religion is a strictly human experience, and as such, exposing dark-skins to it not only destroys any good it offers, but is also very embarrasing .

  • bigone4u

    I hope the Mexicans speak in “tongues” better than they speak in English. Their Spanish isn’t so articulate either. It has to do with intelligence.

  • MekongDelta69

    What it says (b/c it’s NPR, don’cha know):
    “She preaches excitedly while a rock band of young Salvadoran immigrants backs her up.”

    What it SHOULD say:
    “She preaches excitedly while a rock band of young Salvadoran illegal alien criminals backs her up.”

    Btw, “Charisma” is a big time name among the ‘brown crowd.’

  • Funruffian

    I have actually attended Catholic/spiritual retreats that were exclusively Mexican. While their intentions are apparently well-meaning, they are also quite undignified. They don’t have stately churches or cathedrals adorned with statues, mosaics, stained glass and the like. They often rent out Community centers or low-level banquet halls where they serve Mexican food on paper plates, plastic cups and plastic utensils. Attendees, and up to including the leaders, will engage in childish antics of singing songs where clapping your hands and stomping your feet is part of the ritual.
    If upper-middle class Whites were to attend these services they may find it strange and low-class.
    Again, I’m not mocking their intentions, but rather the manner in how they express themselves. More pious people may find this to debase the idea of divinity and religion.

  • NM156

    I’m convinced Pentecostals and Charismatic Catholics are possessed by SATAN during their ecstatic Holy Spirit trances. XD Now, that wouldn’t bother me one bit, but their laughable Biblical justifications for open borders have crossed over into the non-hallucinatory world of politics.

    • Much of it is just the flesh, pride and drawing attention to one’s self. Most charismatic church meetings are big circus shows, full of foolishness and false spirituality.

      • Alexandra1973

        Nothing to mess around with. My in-laws once knew this couple that went to this Assembly of God church (I think that’s the denomination, they roll in the aisles), and they had devils in their home. I kid you not. Stuff would go flying, like they had poltergeists or something. Moving didn’t help…the devils went along with them.

        I stay far, FAR away from that kind of church.

        • ShermanTMcCoy

          I attended an A of G in Albany, Georgia in the 70’s. I was a young, liberal Californian who believed in nonsense like racial equality. The Choir Director took me for a tour in colored town, and he helped me to get my mind right. As far the Devil goes, nope, never ran into him there. Lots of nice people, though. They, like so many other people in so many other religions (including the early Mormons, for example), has these ecstatic experiences. I am convinced that they were just harmless emotional outbursts of some kind. But utterances provided by the Holy Spirit? Nah.

        • Katherine McChesney

          Demon possession seems to be typical in Roman Catholic homes. I’d imagine their worship of idols and veneration of the dead is responsible for that.

    • Erasmus

      I’m convinced Pentecostals and Charismatic Catholics are possessed by SATAN during their ecstatic Holy Spirit trances.

      You don’t need anything supernatural to see visions. If you’re sleep-deprived, haven’t eaten for a long while and are surrounded by like-minded fools, don’t be surprised to see God or the devil.

  • Anglo

    “I don’t think that the Charismatic renewal movement merely prevents people from passing over to Pentecostal denominations,” said the pope. “No, it’s a service to the church herself—it renews us.”
    What this New Ager, Pope Francis, is saying is it’s in the interests of the Roman Catholic Church’s spiritual/social/political ambitions.

  • Barnabas

    I was in “charismatic” churches for much of my youth.

    These churches are unlike Catholic churches in their worship and services and so on. They are often very flaky (although some do have sincere people) and scandals (usually financial) are not unheard of.

    If the Mexican charismatics are anything like the Whites, then these churches will be mostly about feeling and emotion. Charismatic theology can be (but is not always) very light, totally different from the rigorous approach of the Catholic and Eastern Christians.

    There is no connection to the past, not for more than a hundred or so years. I predict that despite the racial difference, this will play out for Mexicans the same way it has for Whites.

    “Western” churches try too hard to be loved by the corrupt culture.

  • Alexandra1973

    Ecumenicalism. Which will lead to a one-world religion, and fundamentalist, Bible-believing Christians need not apply. The independent fundamental Baptist church I’m currently leaving for one closer to home (transferring membership) is against it.

    • gemjunior

      Exactly. This is actually really what is going on and where it is all meant to end up.

    • Katherine McChesney

      I’m a Presbyterian in America – or, PCA. We are politically incorrect in every aspect. We are not members of the World Council of Churches or the National Council of Churches. Furthermore, we do not bow to the pope as the PCUSA has. We see him as a False Prophet. We are a very Conservative church.

  • bilderbuster

    The Caribbean Catholics are unrecognizable from even the Mexican/Central/South American types. They all have some kind of Afro Voo Doo stuff mixed in.
    The Cubans & Brazilians mix theirs with Santeria & the Haitian’s Catholicism is little different from Voo Doo.

    • Bossman

      What do you expect? Catholicism is itself part Voodoo.

  • gemjunior

    Catholicism has been completely bastardized by Vatican II, and this craziness being supported by Pope Francis doesn’t surprise me. Nothing surprises me anymore. As a good Catholic, all I can do is practice my religion the way I was taught and hope it doesn’t get any worse in my lifetime. I don’t think the answer is to break away and start a new religion or anything.

    • Anthony

      You can just join the Society of St. Pius X. They are Catholic traditionalists, an answer to Vatican 2.

  • jeffaral

    I would never belong to any Christian church: too brown, too third world for my taste.

    • Einsatzgrenadier

      If whites must have a religion, they should stop wasting their time with Christianity and explore the Nordic pagan tradition or some other form of indigenous European spirituality. White people have a religious heritage that encompasses more than just Christianity, which has now become a religion for non-whites. It’s time to abandon this old Semitic faith and return to the primordial sources of European culture for profound insight into what ails the moribund west.

      • Oh sure, that’s what whites need more of: Nordic pagan traditions and mysticism!? Yeah, that will make the IQ levels of whites practically double!

        No thanks, I’ll take historic and biblical Christianity any day over Nordic pagan myths. You might attack the Semitic roots of Christianity, but it comports much better to life and reality than any Nordic fairy tales.

        • Einsatzgrenadier

          Actually, I would prefer it if whites would reject all childish fairy tales from the past and embrace atheism instead, which is easily reconciled with a conservative racialist world-view. My recommendation only applies to those whites who must have a religion. Given the enormous amount of damage and suffering caused by Christian beliefs, whites would be better off embracing something like Nordic paganism.

          Christianity is really a suicidal death cult that has paved the way for the destruction of modern Europe through massive third world immigration and multiculturalism. In contrast, worship of Odin would preserve European race and culture.

      • NoMosqueHere

        Without the jews there would be no god; the jews invented god.

      • Bossman

        Like what? Zeus and his sister Hera or his other sister Demeter? Dionysus? Apollo? The old Greek gods were a bunch of perverts.

  • Erasmus

    I wonder what the mean IQ among charismatic Christians is? I’ve no empiric evidence for it, but I’m going to wager it’s pretty low.

    • I don’t know either, but I doubt it’s particularly high. I’ve never known hard-core Charismatics to be deeply intellectual and serious thinkers. From my experience, they’re usually gullible simpletons and somewhat superstitious types.

  • Boris McGuffin

    If you show me a woman preacher, then show me the door.

    • Katherine McChesney

      I agree. In my PCA church, women do not hold offices and the only classes they teach are for children. They are not leaders except in the Women’s Ministry. I could never attend a church with a female minister.

  • Bossman

    He hasn’t shown up yet so there can be no return to him.

  • Jotun Hunter

    with paganism, I think, literal belief is optional – the gods represent the seasons and human passions, I am an atheist/agnostic seeking spiritual inspiration in this ancient metaphysic — if atheism leads to nihilism, and the boring and heavily jewish jesus myth is false, them wilfully adopting pagan outlook feels desirable

  • Katherine McChesney

    The ones in my family are intellectually stunted. They worship themselves. Funny, that two of them abandoned their marriages and their children. Both of them were drunks who practice their professional victimhood in twelve step programs. It’s impossible to glean any enjoyment from being around them. And my Dutch brother-in-law is the absolute worst of all.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Rick Warren is preaching the heresy of Chrislam. And WCCof Churches is pushing the false teaching that Allah is the same as Creator God.

  • Anglo

    Lord, help us.

  • Katherine McChesney

    Paul, not Peter, was the apostle who ministered in Rome.

  • Anna Tree

    That works for ALL gods, including yours 😉

  • Truth Teller

    Am I the only one who is tired of Katherine McChesney’s inserting the most ignorant 500 year old anti Catholic comments into every thread? She is as bad as Engleman and his anti goy pro Jewish comments.
    It is obvious that you are not pro White but just anti Catholic Katherine. Repeat repeat, this is a White nationalist site dedicated to the survival of whites. It is not a forum for the discussion of abortion, guns, gays, socialism, capitalism, bible stuff, etc.
    Whether you like it or not Katherine, the RC church is a European (White) church and the founder of Christianity. It is also, a Christian new testament church, not one of those old testament protestant churches. I am an atheist, never baptized, raised secular, but if I ever
    convert I will become a RC.
    If anything else, the Whites of America owe an enormous debt to the network of Catholic parish schools that have been the savior of so many White children and teachers seeking refuge from the black dominated cesspools that are the public schools. I know protestants have many private schools, but the Catholics have one in almost every parish so they are easily available and close to home.

  • Truth Teller

    katherine McChesney
    You really need to read the new testament gospels and early church history. St Paul waws in Rome for about 2 years. St. Peter was in Rome for about 30 years until he was crucified. I am sure there are sites where you can preach your old testament version of christianity.