Should Neo-Nazis Be Allowed Free Speech?

Thane Rosenbaum, The Daily Beast, January 30, 2014

New studies show that unbridled hateful speech can cause emotional harm. Is it time for the United States to follow other democracies and impose limits on what Neo-Nazis and other haters say?
Over the past several weeks, free speech has gotten costlier—at least in France and Israel. In France, Dieudonne M’Bala M’Bala, an anti-Semitic stand-up comic infamous for popularizing the quenelle, an inverted Nazi salute, was banned from performing in two cities. M’Bala M’Bala has been repeatedly fined for hate speech, and this was not the first time his act was perceived as a threat to public order.Meanwhile, Israel’s parliament is soon to pass a bill outlawing the word Nazi for non-educational purposes. Indeed, any slur against another that invokes the Third Reich could land the speaker in jail for six months with a fine of $29,000. The Israelis are concerned about both the rise of anti-Semitism globally, and the trivialization of the Holocaust—even locally.To Americans, these actions in France and Israel seem positively undemocratic. The First Amendment would never prohibit the quenelle, regardless of its symbolic meaning. And any lover of “Seinfeld” would regard banning the “Soup Nazi” episode as scandalously un-American. {snip}While what is happening in France and Israel is wholly foreign to Americans, perhaps it’s time to consider whether these and other countries may be right. Perhaps America’s fixation on free speech has gone too far.

Actually, the United States is an outlier among democracies in granting such generous free speech guarantees. Six European countries, along with Brazil, prohibit the use of Nazi symbols and flags. Many more countries have outlawed Holocaust denial. Indeed, even encouraging racial discrimination in France is a crime. In pluralistic nations like these with clashing cultures and historical tragedies not shared by all, mutual respect and civility helps keep the peace and avoids unnecessary mental trauma.

{snip} In 2003, the Supreme Court held that speech intended to intimidate, such as cross burning, might not receive First Amendment protection.

Yet, the confusion is that in placing limits on speech we privilege physical over emotional harm. Indeed, we have an entire legal system, and an attitude toward speech, that takes its cue from a nursery rhyme: “Stick and stones can break my bones but names can never hurt me.”

All of us know, however, and despite what we tell our children, names do, indeed, hurt. And recent studies in universities such as Purdue, UCLA, Michigan, Toronto, Arizona, Maryland, and Macquarie University in New South Wales, show, among other things, through brain scans and controlled studies with participants who were subjected to both physical and emotional pain, that emotional harm is equal in intensity to that experienced by the body, and is even more long-lasting and traumatic. Physical pain subsides; emotional pain, when recalled, is relived.

Pain has a shared circuitry in the human brain, and it makes no distinction between being hit in the face and losing face (or having a broken heart) as a result of bereavement, betrayal, social exclusion and grave insult. Emotional distress can, in fact, make the body sick. Indeed, research has shown that pain relief medication can work equally well for both physical and emotional injury.

We impose speed limits on driving and regulate food and drugs because we know that the costs of not doing so can lead to accidents and harm. Why should speech be exempt from public welfare concerns when its social costs can be even more injurious?

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Free speech should not stand in the way of common decency. No right should be so freely and recklessly exercised that it becomes an impediment to civil society, making it so that others are made to feel less free, their private space and peace invaded, their sensitivities cruelly trampled upon.

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  • The rhetoric of crackpot leftists causes me emotional stress and harm.

    Shut down the Daily Beast.

    • Peter Connor

      I can feel an attack of hysteria coming on already, leftists should not be allowed to mention the word “race.”

    • NeanderthalDNA

      Perhaps I should start visiting them. Been a while since I swam in those waters. Think I still speak the duckspeak well enough…

      • stewball

        Hello.

  • Neo-Nutzis are already allowed free speech. I don’t usually agree with them, but they deserve fair treatment under our Constitution.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Neo Nazis are the best people ever, I don’t consider jews people.

      • Some friends of my mother for whom I worked are a gentile guy and a Greek Jewish lady. My old gun show partner was German Jewish. His wife was CIA and also Jewish. I don’t have a problem with Jews. The people who betrayed me were always Catholic Christians, but I don’t hate them, either. I distrust Catholics, but I don’t hate them any more than Jews. Life is too short for that.

        • Whitetrashgang

          Are you aware of who runs the show, And who is trying to genocide us?

        • LACounty

          I don’t hate any group either. We are free here daily talk about the problems blacks are responsible for, or browns, or libs, or Muslims, or Catholics, or Whites in control that have done us harm. Just don’t talk about J’s that have done us harm.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            Talk about privilege!

          • Kathy M

            The one thing Jared Taylor did that displayed his intelligence above others was the position he took on that issue. Which is to say he did not allow his brain to become consumed with BS theories and over-reach. Sadly, we can’t seem to keep irrational people off this website with their constant innuendos. There are scores of sites out there to cater to that mindset but they seem hellbent on ruining the last holdout — this website!

          • Hey Mr Fantasy

            Yep. For some reason, the actual group behind all of this is not allowed to be identified. Their holy books and “the forgery”, the book supposedly written by the Tsarist secret police can’t be mentioned either. Isn’t that interesting?

        • Conrad

          I hate those that are working to commit genocide against my race, AND, those that want to stop us from speaking out about it.

          • Ron Cheaters

            Just once in my lifetime, I’d like to see a well produced movie where I can look at the credits and feel some pride in my people.

            If you can give me some titles, I would be surely grateful.

            And I agree with you to a point.

          • Any leads on sites that list movies we might be interested in. I joined netflix, and while a few of the movies I got are interesting, maybe 80% are dogs, either in terms of stupidity, grossness, or political correctness, making an impression on me that the country is going down the toilet.

          • Don’t get way too depressed about that.

            If 80% of movies on Netflix are bad, they’re ahead of the curve described in Sturgeon’s Law.

          • Hey Mr Fantasy

            I tried to watch something on Netflix the other day, and not even 2 minutes into it, they showed a bunch of “racist” whites beating up a poor, innocent black man because he had a white girlfriend. I turned it off immediately. It’s all propaganda and garbage. ALL of it, and you only have to look at the last names of the people producing it to know why.

          • I am a mostly-Celtic agnostic who would never dream of interfering with your First Amendment right to free speech.

          • SoulInvictus

            I hate them all.

            (but then I have a generally low opinion of humanity so that isn’t saying a lot.)

          • Conrad

            I suppose that some of them should be hated. Just don’t let your hate get out of hand and eat you up. There’s no use in giving yourself ulcers. Besides, we might be able to save a few of those knot heads. We all need to improve, ya know.

          • SoulInvictus

            I really don’t let anyone bother me enough to viscerally hate them.
            I was mainly going for a bit of humor, but in the vaguest sense, I guess I do.
            I hate what they’re doing to this place. I hate the giant crap they’re taking on the legacy our ancestors bled for.
            I channel that into bettering myself, hate can be the heat to fuel the furnace, to forge the sword. It also keeps up your situational awareness so you don’t become a statistic.

        • AutomaticSlim

          Did the Catholics who betrayed you do so specifically as Catholics, or in in the name of Catholicism? Or did they just happen to be Catholic? 1/3 of America is Catholic – it’s the religion with the highest membership percentage in this country. Lots of different ethic groups too.

          • No, but in my case there was a 100% correlation between Catholics and betrayal.

          • Franklin_Ryckaert

            Correlation is not causation.

          • Of course you are correct, but I need not trust Catholics anymore, should I?

          • I was raised Catholic, even went to a Catholic grade school because it was much better than the stinking public school nearby. Talked to God a lot. Only when I got older I realized that all the memorization of the catechism was absolutely nothing to me.
            Later in my life, I’ve lived in areas that are fundamentalist Christian and non-Catholic. These people aren’t winners either. The Methodists are ultra pro-immigration. In fact, the Unitarians are very liberal and pro-immigration, and as I got to know them more, are, like the secularists, have all the characteristics that people associate with “hate”, except when you are politically correct, you get to call your “hate” non-hate.

          • Hey Mr Fantasy

            Christian Identity seems to be the only one that makes sense. But you will never hear it in ANY church and believing in it makes you an automatic terrorist, according to our government. Of course you are a racist, bigot and ignorant as well. Church and religion is all about showing how “tolerant” you are, just like every other aspect of life. You’re right about the pro-immigration thing, the churches are responsible for the Somalis in Minnesota and Maine, and probably a lot more of the Turd World garbage infesting this once great nation. They also LOOOVE Israel. All part of that 501c government deal, the government tells them what to push and preach, to fit the agenda. And the sheeple go right along. Why go to church if they don’t even preach the Bible??

          • Hey Mr Fantasy

            The Catholic Church has been infiltrated and is ruled by that particular racial/religious group that we can’t mention. THAT is why they are the way they are.

        • Sick of it

          Never trust someone associated with the CIA, unless you have a death wish.

        • In any rational (ie, fact and logic) analysis or discussion, words like “hate”, “homophobe”, “sexist”, “anti-semtic”, “racist”, cannot appear. It they appear, the speech is not rational because these words are grossly broad in meaning, and in fact, have no specific meaning. They are used to silence people whom other people don’t want to hear. Especially to silence people who speak facts and logic that they don’t want to hear.

    • LACounty

      “Neo-Nutzis are already allowed free speech.” Did you read the entire article?

      • I’ve read the US Constitution. I even have a copy right here. Have you?

        • LACounty

          Direct me to the part where it says, “$29,000 fine with six months in jail.” And outlawing the word “Nazi” for non-educational purposes.

          • Ron Cheaters

            I believe the author was referring to countries outside the US.
            Although the point was that these laws should be imposed in the US

          • LACounty

            Exactly. Even though Obama has been such a blessing for American Whites and our constitution, I care greatly for our European brothers. You openly profess to be a Neo-Nazi in the U.S., and see where it gets you. Whites can’t even speak up for themselves without it possibly affecting their job status. You identify yourself as a Neo-Nazi and you’ll be treated like a Leper. It’s only a matter of time before it becomes illegal in the U.S. I don’t trust this government. They don’t abide by the constitution. They don’t enforce existing laws. What is and who today defines, “Free Speech”? Seems it’s not as FREE as it once was. Almost FREE?

          • Ron Cheaters

            Its about as free as thinking nobody’s watching you using public wi-fi… so no its an illusion of freedom.

          • bilderbuster

            You may or may not be a Witch either but all someone has to do is accuse of being one & it’s up to you to prove you’re not.
            I can’t count the times I’ve seen moderate conservatives called Nazis & Klansmen, Racists & Bigots & the label usually sticks.
            BTW: Except for Television or movies has anyone actually seen a real “Neo-Nazi”?
            I understand that almost to a man most of the leaders of so called “Hate Groups” are FBI assets & informers anyways.

          • It’s not just openly professing to be neo-nazi. Just unabashedly, but positively and in a low-keyed way saying you are not politically correct, and saying nothing more than that, can get someone in the group, asking out loud, to the rest of the group, the one-word question, “anti-semitism?”
            That’s where we are today, in the USA.

          • I don’t see how those laws could be legally imposed here. The US First Amendment right to freedom of speech and freedom of association are absolute so long as we do not conspire together to commit crimes.

            People have the right to be commies here as well. I don’t agree with them, but that’s their right.

          • David Ashton

            Shouting Sieg Heil in a crowded area?

          • HamletsGhost

            The First Amendment freedoms are most definitely NOT absolute! They are a badly fraying vestige of the the freedoms that were enjoyed in this country until about 50 years ago.
            Most of the laws imposed over the last 50 years were illegal per the U.S. Constitution.. Didn’t stop them from being imposed.

          • jackryanvb

            Yeah, but you seem like a rare breed these days. Some one who really does believe in freedom of speech, freedom of association for everyone. Eric Holder and Elena Kagin don’t believe that. Neither do the AdL, NAACP, SPLC, MSNBC, CNN, New York Times, Washington Post , or sadly Conservative inc, National Review.

        • David Ashton

          The Constitution has not prevented “hate speech codes” at university, or the selection and misrepresentation of facts by a powerful media.

          • I was “offered” the opportunity to sign a “hate speech code” as a university undergrad, but I refused and insisted on retaining my First Amendment rights. I was outed on campus as a “refusenik”, but if I had the opportunity to do it again, I would do it a thousand times over.

      • I have a copy of the US Constitution here.

    • NeanderthalDNA

      This article is unnerving.

      Honestly this country is devolving into some obverse form of a dystopic future movie from the 80’s or 90’s. You know, where the evil Christian fascists take over and the ragtag band of crypto-Marxist freedom fighters somehow triumph and “expose all” and win…

      Speaking of dystopic future flicks, you seen “Dredd” yet? It’s on Netflix. Very loyal to the original comics, no Sylvester Stallone.

      That’s a fairly realistic dystopia in my opinion, and an excellent movie.

      • “Unnerving” is right. Recently from netflix I watched “Anger Management” with Adam Sandler and Jack Nicholson. The movie is meant to be a comedy but actually is horrifying. To me, it is right from the old Soviet Union. It is meant to be comedy because of terrible oppression by different authorities to a person who is completely innocent and who is driven deeper and deeper into an inescapable hell because he reacted simply as a human being. Viewers of the movie thought it was great comedy, which is why I ordered it in the first place.

        • NeanderthalDNA

          Even though I’ve come to hate Jim Carey personally, I love “Cable Guy” for similar reasons. Very subtly creepy one that. Another rec – “Bronson with Tom Hardy about one of the scariest, craziest, White men around, “Charlie Bronson”…Britain’s most violent prisoner. Important not to live on an island intellectually because one has realized the Truth, in my opinion. Humans are social animals.

    • JohnEngelman

      Anti Semitism infuriates me. However it is easy to refute. I enjoy infuriating anti Semites by reminding them of Jewish talent, achievement, and prosperity.

      My objection to hate speech laws is that they can be used to suppress scientific findings that substantiate hereditarianism and race realism.

  • Who Me?

    “Perhaps America’s fixation on free speech has gone too far.”

    The American constitution is dead.

    • sbuffalonative

      A frightening quote.

    • Hal K

      That quote is an amazing bit of twisted rhetoric. America’s “fixation” on free speech hasn’t gone anywhere. They are the ones who are trying to change it.

    • David Ashton

      Never mind. Mr Scott has a copy of it.

  • David Ashton

    Well now, speech to be outlawed includes the following statements: (1) Human populations do not have identical brains. (2) Woman are different from men. (3) It was impossible to gas at least six million Jews and five miillion Gays, Roma and Disabled men, women and children during WW2. (4) Patriotism is a virtue.

    • Sue

      (5) love your heritage (6) gay is not natural (7) we don’t love immigration

      • David Ashton

        (8) Mandela was not the black Jesus (or genius).

        Any other readers’ suggestions?

        • stewball

          But jesus may have been black no matter what the R.C’s say.

          • David Ashton

            Nobody noticed it at the time.

          • stewball

            😉

      • stewball

        I love my heritage. Who knows whether we are unnatural. Stop immigration.

        • Sue

          I think you may have misunderstood?

          • stewball

            I probably did. Won’t be the first or last time.

    • It was very possible for them to do that, but they couldn’t get rid of the bodies fast enough.

      • r j p

        It might have been possible, but there are no cremated remains to suggest they did.

        • Alexandra1973

          http://furtherglory(dot)wordpress(dot)com/2011/06/27/where-are-the-ashes-of-the-1-1-million-people-killed-at-auschwitz-birkenau/

          I might add that I don’t think Holocaust deniers are guilty of hate crime. I think people like that are deceived. I mean, you can have an opinion as to whether something happened or not.

          • bilderbuster

            Trucks with no exhaust pipes leaving the camps full of inmates. Lampshades made from flesh. Bars of soap made from corpses.
            Bestsellers like Five Diamonds are good for a laugh.
            You better believe they have laws in Europe & want them here too because the myth is so easy to disprove & when people realize that everyone from politicians to their school teachers has lied to them they’re going to want answers.

          • stewball

            I think you will find that holocaust deniers are massive Jew haters. Take into account that Jesus was a Jew too.

          • David Ashton

            I do not disagree that many of the people grouped under the heading “holocaust deniers” are highly critical of the Zionist lobbies that use The Holocaust not just as a justification for Israel but to inhibit criticism of Israel, and others like Zundel are neo-nazis. Some of the revisionists of Soviet crimes are leftists, but others are not. What matters is historical data and its analysis, irrespective of the political outcome.

            Jesus was a Black Jew?

          • stewball

            Who knows. He could be.

          • David Ashton

            If Jesus was Negro I’m a Chinaman. And you are really Bar Refaeli.

          • stewball

            I’d love to look like her but not to be her.

          • David Ashton

            Read Rambam’s opinion of Jesus in his letter to Yemen.

            Yoter midai!

          • stewball

            Not when it is so patently untrue. Deniars are not deceived. They are doing the deceiving.

        • Heaps of bodies in and around railroad cars. I make no excuses for the Commies, but the Nazis really did it. Nether ideology is remotely American.

          • HamletsGhost

            Wrong. The Nazis didn’t really do much of anything compared to the Commies. Even if you choose the believe the Holocau$t fairy tale, how would 6 million dead compare with 66 million dead piled up by Lenin/Stalin et al?
            Also note that the Gulag was well-established in the Soviet Union long before the world even heard of Hitler.
            American Jews overwhelmingly supported the Bolshevik abattoir. How “Amercian” were they really?

          • jeffaral

            What many people “know” about the hoaxcau$t is the Hollywood version.

          • bilderbuster

            There are lots of photos of bodies during war.

      • David Ashton

        In “chambers” of what dimensions, what gases, what methods of delivery and what security precautions?

        • Most of the “work” was done by special police unit firing squads.

          • David Ashton

            More likely method of liquidation, which is why I questioned “gassing” and “gas chambers”. See my comments on the Disqus archive which do not always get onto the threads.

          • jeffaral

            Please Mike stop watching Hollywood movies!

          • bilderbuster

            Chris, that’s the new myth it’s being switched to because the old one has fallen apart.
            Sort of like Global Warming has become Climate Change.

          • I believe we are seeing some climate change, but please remember that the earth’s climate is not completely stable. We still have not completely recovered from the Maunder Minimum-caused “little ice age”. Blaming human activity for it is silly. If the world’s climate was really so unstable that we could materially affect it, life already wouldn’t exist here. Massive volcanic eruptions like those in Siberia or from India’s “Deccan Traps” area would already have done the job.

            The thing the libtards with their third-grade “science” like to ignore about CO2 is that it is very soluble in water, so it winds up in the oceans, where it is converted by plankton and shellfish into limestone.

          • oddball1776

            Obvious subject change is obvious.

            Amateur detected.

          • stewball

            Are you a sexy bald man lol. Some are.

        • stewball

          What security precautions David? They didn’t need them until they started to lose the war and then they started trying to cover it all up.

      • bilderbuster

        Not with gas chambers & ovens though & what’s with building railways & camps & tatoos when they could have been killed where they were?
        There was a World War going on & that whole fairy tale makes a mockery of “German Efficiency”.

        • The Wansee Conference addressed the whole issue of destruction of Jews when it was noticed that the police battalion mass-shootings were much too labor intensive. Murder apparently needed to be done with less genuine work.

          • David Ashton

            The Wannsee minutes proposed sexual segregation and working Jews on wartime communication lines with any survivors getting “special treatment”. This quite plausibly fits into Nazi racial ideology and language. The conference did not explicitly recommend mass-gassing or even mass-shooting, but it clearly had a genocidal import, though events developed rather differently by common consent.
            Have a look through the critique by Johannes Ney on-line.

          • bilderbuster

            No! They were gassed in the showers just like they said & if you disagree you’re a Neo-Nazi/Holocaust Denier & need to be imprisoned.

        • stewball

          Have you ever been to a concentration camp? You’ll see crematoriums and gas chambers. Maybe you’d just rather carry on believing it’s a lie. Help You sleep at night.

    • Andy

      Do you believe each of these statements. If you do, what has convinced you that popular opinion on the Holocaust is wrong? I have found it absolutely impossible to get any credibly honest information on the matter, so if you could give me some I would really, really appreciate it.

      • Sick of it

        That’s one of the most honest statements about the Holocaust that I’ve ever read. Thanks for being a realist.

      • David Ashton

        Usually you get abuse rather than serious discussion when you enter this “debate”, which itself tells a story. Press my name on the Disqus archive for my brief comments on a “Spectator” thread and just see the reaction I got.

        The first problem is the definition of “Holocaust” because it has an large compass of events and time-scale. But the nub of the issue is whether the Nazis deliberately murdered millions of Jews on account of their race.

        Historical judgements are (a) influenced by political and other fashions, and (b) cannot always remain fixed as perpetual certainties.

        My view is that Hitler was an extreme racial antisemite whose speeches and writings are implicitly genocidal, but there is no written order linking him directly with any mass-gassing and allegations to the contrary, such as by Kurt Gerstein, are not creditable. Even established narratives make the use of Zyklon-B at Auschwitz, for instance, a local decision.
        There is strong evidence of Hitler’s support for the killing of Jews as part of “anti-partisan” operations in the USSR.

        The whole story has been inflated by ridiculous memoirs, faked documents and photography, and gross numerical assertions that are simply repeated without evidence from one book to another. The horrifying photographs of typhus and starvation victims bulldozed into pits by British soldiers at Belsen are sometimes produced as victims of mass-gassing or shooting elswhere.

        Where to begin with “honest information” amid the “six million” books, articles and pictures on the matter? May I suggest you start with just two books on “opposite sides” so to speak, and compare them for credibility? (1) Ysrael Gutman & Michael Berenbaum, “Anatomy of the Auschwitz Death Camp” (Indiana UP, 1998) & (2) Carlo Mattogno, “Auschwitz – The Case for Sanity” (Barnes Review, 2010).

        • Andy

          Thank you. 🙂

        • dd121

          The historiography on this subject is so corrupted that it is impossible to have an informed opinion. The “best” number I can infer of jews killed by the Nazis is maybe 200-300,000. All the players on this issue have axes to grind so take your best guess as to the truth.

          • David Ashton

            I would not despair completely and for ever, but you have a point. I have been discussing elsewhere Timothy Snyder’s “Bloodlands” and got the reaction (never a refutation) that I was an “indirect” anti-Semite and an “Irvingite”. Snyder’s book is well worth perusal, but note how he praises German and Ukrainian reductions of victim totals while accepting very high numbers of Nazi victims in certain categories without similar sceptical satisfaction. Some axe-grinders are not satisfied, however: see his article and the pro-communist comments on the Nazi Soviet Pact, The Guardian, October 5, 2010 on-line.

            Recent books on WW2 by Chris Bellamy and John Mosier, and on the bombing campaigns by Richard Overy, might interest you for the statistics. I am not an “Irvingite” but shall be interested to see what his documentary research uncovers on Himmler and especially the recordings of his Posen speech.

          • stewball

            I have told you before David that you are a closet anti semite.

          • David Ashton

            Define “anti semite”.

          • stewball

            You know I just wrote some reply but I’m so tired I’m not seeing straight. You Know yourself in any case.

          • David Ashton

            Or thinking straight. You should read all my posts VERY carefully. I don’t want to be put in the same closet with John Kerry.

          • stewball

            But David. You use such long words!

          • stewball

            Actually I can’t put you an kerry together. He’s leapt so far out of the closet he’s fallen into Abass’s arms together with Obama bin Laden!

          • stewball

            I can’t. I only know what I feel. It’s hard for me to put it into words.

          • David Ashton

            I am entitled to ask you to define “anti semite”.

          • stewball

            ‘The best number you can infer’.
            You mean the best numbers you want to infer. I can’t believe the stupidity or ignorance of you lot.

          • dd121

            I gather you think the number should be higher. Neither one of us was there to count the bodies so a certain amount of speculation is involved. But in your enlightened leftist view do you think I should be imprisoned since our numbers differ?

          • stewball

            Not at all. Firstly I’m not s left winger. I’m a political but when I vote it’s to the right. I’m Jewish and live in Israel. 6 million is quite enough thank you very much. I’m sure the red cross who are no friends of ours did s fine job as did all the other institutions. It hurts me badly seeing old people’s arms with no number tattooed on their arms.
            Still thank you for not being nasty.

          • dd121

            WWII was a horrible event for Jews and a whole lot of other people. No one group has a monopoly on the suffering. My father underwent considerable personal risk to fight Germany. I think he would rather have been back in the USA pursuing an education. You may find it interesting that I’m one of the few regular posters on AmRen who is not stridently anti-semitic. As a white nationalist I just don’t see how blaming some mythical Jewish conspiracy is going to advance our agenda. I know a lot of people here disagree.
            Maybe we can have a beer some time. ha ha

          • stewball

            I’d love to have a beer with you but in whose country? You’d better come here. Then you could see first hand what happens compared to out rich other halves. Would be fun – if you like old ladies 🙂

          • stewball

            I’ve just reread last sentence. NoNow you’re being absurd. 🙂

          • dd121

            It’s not absurd at all. A lot of countries have laws that make it illegal to deny that crimes took place against the Jews in WWII and to what degree. People have gone to jail for that. It happened 70 years ago and a lot of the details are not easy to verify and will always be controversial. Should a person be subject to jail time for a difference of opinion on a historical footnote? That’s the absurdity.

        • stewball

          David you need to come here to find the truth.

          • David Ashton

            I have well over 40 books on the subject in my library, almost every one in support of the generally accepted line, and most written by Jewish scholars or survivors. I do not need to visit Yad Vashem, when there are now “Holocaust Museums” in England, almost daily Holocaust stories in the press, and more than enough available visually and textually on-line. You do not need to visit Katyn, Karaganda or Kolyma to find “the truth” about the Soviet concentration-camps, etc.

          • stewball

            But you do need to visit Yad veShem. It’s different to anything else anywhere. I can’t visit it anymore. Can that be said about the London holocaust museum?

          • David Ashton

            The Jews were targets of racial hostility during WW2. The Nazis brought many of them into concentration-camps. Many died therein from various causes, including ill-treatment and disease. Some survived and can show their tattoos, but a few of these survivors have told stories which are incredible (not simply because they are horrifying but for other reasons). The numbers of Jews and others who were killed is a matter of legitimate disagreement, among Jewish historians as well as others. As several responsible researchers have suggested, the majority of Jews directly killed were shot not gassed (Snyder, Goldhagen &c). There are some yet unresolved technological and logistic problems about large-scale gassing and the fate of the corpses.

            Whatever the scale, the murder of Jews was a dreadful crime and it has left terrible scars, as have the murders of many thousands of other people by communists and others. Some Jews wish to see it as the defining event of human history, and wish others to do the same. (Even Yad Vashem has a religious and nationalist function on top of a record of named victims, &c.) It is not “anti-semitism” to resist this process; indeed, it is the nature of such a process that actually stimulates “anti-semitic paranoia”.

      • HamletsGhost

        Allow me to butt in.

        When I was young, one of the first “facts” I learned about the Holocaust was that the Germans turned the Jews they murdered into soap. It was also alleged that they made lampshades out of human skin and other macabre details that were simply diabolical if they were true.

        They weren’t true. The official Holocaust orthodoxy defenders like Deborah Lipstadt have quietly admitted that they aren’t true.

        If they can’t keep their story straight, then any reasonable person has to be suspicious of the whole story. There are people who do this, and they are subject to the same kind of laws in Europe that Thane Rosenbaum wants to install here.

        Popular opinion on the big H, like popular opinion on race, is a direct effect of popular media.

        • Mergatroyd

          Excellent comment. I too remember the gnashing of teeth and tearing of clothes over lampshades made of human skin and soap rendered from Holocaust victims. There were even displays set up to prove this, all of which turned out to be lies to make the Germans into absolute monsters with no redeeming qualities for which they must be made to pay forever through every generation.

          • stewball

            The Germans were absolute monsters dear.

          • Mergatroyd

            As bad as the Soviets or Mao’s bloodthirsty Red Chinese?

            Try again.

          • stewball

            Much on a par tipsha!

          • stewball

            Already answered.

          • stewball

            Hey mergy. On a lighter note – how’s Archie and Edith?

        • The production of soap from lye (sodium hydroxide) requires animal fats. The concentration camp inmates in old photos looked like they had no fat reserves at all, so the production of soap from their remains seems quite impossible. The lampshade story I believe had some origin in truth, as the wife of a camp officer liked the tattoo on one of the inmates. This inmate almost certainly could not have been Jewish, because I don’t think Jews don’t get tattooed (my understanding is that their religion actually prohibits it.) The lampshade – if it ever existed – was thus produced from a political prisoner, a Russian POW or a Gypsy.

          • stewball

            I’m disappointed in you Michael. You really think that the religion was taken into consideration when tattooing the number which indeed WAS tattooed on the Jews. Many survivors have the tattoos. That was such a nonsensical thing to say. Completely unexpected from you by me.

      • stewball

        Go find a survivor.

    • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

      On that six million, the records that the nazis kept themselves verified it. IF you said six billion, I’d say “impossible.”

      • Whitetrashgang

        It is really about one million, to bad it wasn’t 6 million.

        • It was actually somewhere between 10 and 12 million when you include gays, Zigeuners, political prisoners and Russian POWs.

          • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

            Actually, you’re right… The 6 million number went up after the fall of the Soviet Union and records that hadn’t been opened since WW2 were found and Western scholars allowed to examine them.

          • One of the best German Kaiserliche Marine officers was executed for admitting in 1944 that he thought Germany would be defeated. Gunther von Paschen was gunnery officer on battlecruiser “Lutzow”, and his shooting was remarkable. His shooting sank HMS “Defense”, “Invincible” and probably also “Queen Mary”. He may have crippled “Black Prince” before that ship blundered into the German battle line at night, when SMS “Thuringen” riddled her at point-blank range.

            The honest Germans all had names and loved their country, for whatever good that did them.

          • LACounty

            I’ll go with somewhere between what Nazi and Jewish extremists have to say. Btw, I’ve always enjoyed your comments.

          • Alexandra1973

            It was an Inquisition. And yeah, it wasn’t just Jews that were killed, it was “heretics” of every stripe.

          • David Ashton

            The Russian PoW death toll in the early years was considerable, far worse than the German PoW death toll after the war in American custody. Politicals and male homosexuals, smaller numbers (lesbianism was largely ignored by Nazism, but pedophiles were executed from 1941 onwards). How many Gypsies were gassed (rather than sterilized) is a moot point, even among established historians. Political correctness has added categories to the victims of the “Holocaust” – which is primarily a Jewish concern, with the annual Yom HaShoah and Yad Vashem in Israel. Holocaust Memorial Day in Britain came as a joint initiative by Ehud Barak and Tony Blair. What must be excluded from memory are the many victims of Marx-Leninism worldwide and the far fewer victims of Zionism in the Middle East.

          • One friend of the family was Lithuanian. He worked in Colorado for over a year. His father had been “lost” in the war. Once a year, the KGB brought his mother in for questioning and demanded she explain where her husband had been. She always explained that he had been lost in the war.

            While our friend was working in Colorado, a very old man drove a car down from Canada for his son. Our friend’s father had joined the Wehrmacht in Lithuania and was later transferred to the Waffen SS.

            I hope with the end of the Cold War that he was reunited with his wife.

      • LACounty

        I don’t disagree with you but the problem I have is all the focus on X million Jews killed while much less focus on societies that have had much larger losses.

        • Whiteplight sees the Emperor N

          I think it’s because of people like the poster above. No one disputes the other societies and this one was so “in the world’s face.” I actually wish they’d do a big special on some network that actually re-exhibits the nazi records and corroborating hard eveidence, etc., so these neo-nazis would have to focus on something else. When you’ve got people like them and David Duke that just will not quit, you get the focus that irritates you. It doesn’t bother me. I can tune that out because many other things annoy me more, like lying idiot neo nazis that hurt whites far more than prove anything else.

          Some of those other societies actually have exaggerated, like some claims of American Indian “genocide” which was not exactly really that anyway (no plan for extermination, just containment, etc, and they were running around killing white people, often cruelly, whereas Jews never did).

          • David Ashton

            The pro-immigration Left, including many Jews, use “The Holocaust” as propaganda against “racism, xenophobia, white nationalism”, and therefore agaunst the “browning of the West”. FACT.

          • Bon, From the Land of Babble

            While ignoring the crimes of the Soviets:

            Lenin openly declared that killing off nearly the entire Russian population was OK as long as communism was victorious:

            “What does it matter if 90 percent of the Russian people perish, provided the surviving 10 percent bring about a World Revolution?”

            — Time Magazine – February 11, 1924

            In the 1970s, Simon Wiesenthal began to refer to ‘eleven million victims’ of the Holocaust, six million Jews and five million non-Jews, but the latter number had no basis in historical reality.

            … Wiesenthal’s contrived death toll, with its neat almost-symmetry, has become a widely accepted ‘fact.’ Jimmy Carter’s Executive Order, which was the basis for the establishment of the US Holocaust Museum, referred to the ‘eleven million victims of the Holocaust.’

            When Israeli historians Yehuda Bauer and Yisrael Gutman challenged Wiesenthal on this point, he admitted that he had invented the figure of eleven million victims in order to stimulate interest in the Holocaust among non-Jews. He chose five million because it was almost, but not quite, as large as six million. When Elie Wiesel asked Wiesenthal who these supposed five million victims were, Wiesenthal exploded and accused him of suffering from ‘Judeocentrism.’

            — Lipstadt, Deborah E.: Simon Wiesenthal and the Ethics of History. Jewish Review of Books

          • BaronBaal

            Yep, it’s true. No doubt many Jews died during the war but 6 million. Red Cross population numbers of Jews before and after the war don’t support the idea that 6 million Jews died but what do I know? Whites should be focusing on the here and now and what needs to be done for them to have any real future in tomorrow’s world.

          • Mergatroyd

            I agree 100% with you that the focus needs to be on Whites in the present day because of the danger we are in from losing our living space. But it is also important to end the anti-White narrative that is being directed against us and the Holocaust is a large part of it. It is being used as a justification to shut us up and curtail our rights.

            I think it is important to point out the lies of the cultural marxists, lies which are being used to rationalize the genocide being conducted against our race. Lies such as “diversity is a strength,” and that multiculturalism and open borders are desirable. Notice these things are being directed at Whites and ONLY Whites to prove we don’t have a right to a homeland.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            Jews killed at least ten times more whites across Central and Eastern Europe. Yet they keep beating us over the head over their bogus six million, which proves beyond any doubt that our lives are less than meaningless today.

        • That’s just what people sometimes do to each other. The results are sometimes mixed. The Scottish Highland Clearances seem bad enough, but Scotland was every bit as dependent at the time upon the potato as Ireland, and the English shipment of Scots to Canada and the USA was the only thing that saved Scotland from the later potato famine.

        • Proportionately, the biggest losses in World War One were suffered were from Scotland, Serbia and Turkey. Most of the Serb and Turkish deaths were from typhus, while the Scots took it hard from artillery.

          I think fourth was Belgium.

          • stewball

            Don’t forgetrgot the Spanish flu. That killed more than were killed during the war.

      • HamletsGhost

        The records that the Germans kept at Auschwitz directly contradict the wild totals of Jews and others that died in that camp.

        • Bon, From the Land of Babble

          Correct. They’ve had to revise the numbers downward.

          Auschwitz plaques — 1948 until 1989 — and after 1989, notice the number of victims has been reduced by 2.5 million.

          • Mergatroyd

            Notice that Soviet death tolls are NEVER mentioned, such as the Soviet-created massive starvation in the Ukraine known as the Holomodor, or the 200,000+ Americans that were killed “liberating” Europe from the Nazis?

            All we ever hear about are “the 6 million” as if Jews were the only victims of WW II and now we find those numbers are bogus.

      • Mergatroyd

        I defy you to provide proof that the Nazis own records show that they killed 6 million Jews.

        • stewball

          Such rubbish. They burnt as much as they could but meticulously kept files with details

          • Mergatroyd

            Then put your money where your mouth is and prove it.

      • SoulInvictus

        An appropriate place to link to a site I’m sure will be among the first to be banned.
        http://thegreateststorynevertoldDOTtv/

    • BillMillerTime

      No historian claims that the Third Reich gassed six million Jews and five million Gays, Roma and Disabled men, women and children during WW2. If you want to comment intelligently about that era of history, you should at least read the historians with which you want to disagree. Start with Christopher R. Browning’s book, The Origins of the Final Solution: The Evolution of Nazi Jewish Policy, September 1939-March 1942 (University of Nebraska Press: 2007).

      I don’t wish to see you or anyone else prosecuted for lying about history.

      • David Ashton

        I completely agree with your first statement. My mind was a sarcastic reference to Ruth Gledhill-Franks’ report on the Holocaust Memorial Commission, proposed at Jewish request by HM Government, in “The Times” on January 28, and to similar popular misconceptions which are left uncorrected, possibly because of their political serviceability. It is the Religious Correspondent of Murdoch’s daily who is “lying” if anyone, not me.

        I do not disagree with most of Browning’s book. And I do not want to give you or anyone else the impression that I am obsessed with this particular issue, since my main interest has been the communist democides, but my considerable library of some 4000 books and documents, contains books on the “Holocaust” by the following writers (noting just the dates of my largely p/b editions): R.Breitman (1999), P. Burrin (1994 & 2004), D. Cesarani (1992), L. Dawidowicz (1997), H. Fein (1993), G. Fleming (1985), S. Friedlander (2008), M. Gilbert (1983 & 1987), D.J.Goldhagen (1997), P.Hayes & J.K.Roth [eds] (2010), J. Herf (2006), R. Hoess [tr] (1983), O.Lengyel (1972), M.R.Marrus (1988), M.Mazower (2009), L.Poliakov (1960), T.Snyder (2011), A. Rabinach & S.L.Gilman [eds] (2013), R.Rashke (1984), R.S.Wistrich (1985 & 2003); plus a nearly equal number presently inaccessible because of refurbishments.

        My “revisionist” bookshelf is limited to A.R. Butz (1977), P.Rassinier (1978) and C.Mattogno (2010), plus P.Novick (2001), although much more is easily accessible on the internet and no doubt your curiosity has encouraged even you to evaluate objectively the quality of contributions by Germar Rudolf, Joachim Hoffmann, etc.

        To speak out of turn on this subject usually unleashes smear, such as labelling me a neo-Nazi on another Disqus site. I resent your suggestion that I have ever lied or would wish to lie about historical facts. Perhaps you should address your strictures to survivors like the dear lady who was given an OBE and an honorary doctorate for telling us, for example, that while “sunbathing” in Auschwitz she saw Jews going into a gas-chamber at one end and coming out as smoke at the other, and that gas once escaped from under the wooden doors of a chamber and into the camp.

        Certum est quia impossibile est.

        • BillMillerTime

          You said that “it was impossible to gas at least six million Jew…”

          I simply pointed out that no historian says that the Nazis gassed six million Jews. The consensus among professional historians is that approximately six million Jews were deliberately, systematically murdered by a variety of means including shooting, starving, gassing, working to death, etc. Only a minority

          Do you see the difference?

          It is a common ploy by “revisionists” to claim that professional historians allege that the Nazis murdered six million Jews by gassing them. I do not know how many Jews were murdered by the Third Reich, but I am familiar enough with the historical works to recognize when “revisionists” distort what it is that historians allege.

          I’ve read Arthur Butz, David Hoggan, and David Irving, and was seriously underwhelmed by how amateurish and (in the case of Irving) dishonest they were. Perhaps I should read the other authors you mention.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I simply pointed out that no historian says that the Nazis gassed six million Jews.

            Tens of millions of ordinary white people throughout the world think the historians say that. They have heard it for years on their televisions and were taught it from grade school through college. The opinions of those people is more important to me than the actual words of the historians. The myth they believe in has produced the intended result: anti-Germanism (and anti-Germanicism), white guilt, and favourable treatment towards the Jews and Zionists.

          • BillMillerTime

            That’s what all the Holocaust deniers say.

            You know who never denied the Holocaust? The Nazis themselves. In all the trials over the decades, not once did an accused Nazi war criminal ever take the stand and say, “Plan to exterminate the Jews? What the hell are you talking about? There was no such plan!”

            When they were caught, they might have denied who they were (e.h., Rudolf Höss), or they they denied that they had anything to do with it, or they claimed that they were simply following orders. Show me even one instance where an accused Nazi war criminal ever declared on the stand that there was no plan to exterminate the Jews. Hitler announced publicly more than once that he would destroy European Jewry. Himmler stated in a private meeting with his senior SS officers in Poznan in 1943 that they were engaged in the extermination of the Jews. That speech was taped. You can listen to it online if you wish.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I had a lengthy reply written out but I lost it due to a computer glitch. I’m not interested in retyping the entire thing. I’ll just mention a main point which is that I am interested in all the examples of white genocide of the past and especially the worldwide white genocide of today far more than I am about supposed Jewish losses of WWII.

            Further, I care about Jewish losses exactly as much as the Jews care about white losses. If you understand anything about the Jews, then you’ll know how much that is.

            I can’t help but notice that you had no reply to this: “The myth they believe in has produced the intended result: anti-Germanism (and anti-Germanicism), white guilt, and favourable treatment towards the Jews and Zionists.”

          • stewball

            Excuse me lol
            Favourable treatment towards the Jews? Have you not seen that the world is trying to remove the land of Israel from the map. Goodness knows what will happeto the Jews around the world. Ghettos. Unpunished murders. Citizenships being removed from Jews. Obsns bin Laden jumping for jou with the idiot kerry.

          • BillMillerTime

            “The myth they believe…”

            Ah, so the writer apparently thinks that the deliberate extermination by the German state of European Jewry is a ‘myth’?

            That isn’t what Heinrich Himmler thought.

            “I also want to mention a very difficult subject before you here,
            completely openly….It should be discussed amongst us, and yet, nevertheless, we will never speak about it in public….I am talking about the “Jewish evacuation”: the extermination of the
            Jewish people.”

            What what the hell did he know? He was only Reichsführer-SS und Chef der Deutschen Polizei.

          • jackryanvb

            Or…

            Many were tortured by Soviet officials and simply signed whatever confession the torturers put in front of them. Rudolf Hoess’s confession was written in English, a language he did not speak.

            It was the same with Stalin’s show trials of old Bolsheviks. After torture all confessed to be counter revolutionaries, Rightest Trotskyites conspiring to sabotage the great Soviet economic plans.

            In more recent times in our country, look at the ridiculous things the Southern Avenger confesses to after suffering lots of psychological torture.

            Anti White, cultural Marxism, political correctness is the ruling politcal/media/culture religion in America today. There is a distinct Jewish component to this Inquisition, which is not to say that all Jewish people are bad people, or lot’s of White Gentiles (joe Scarborough, Chris Matthews) are just as bad

          • stewball

            What about the criminals in America who admit to crimes they did not commit due to police brutality etc.

        • stewball

          Martin Gilbert is good.

          • David Ashton

            I also have his book on Churchill and the Jews, his Soviet Atlas and his 20th Century history. I met him when I was a young undergraduate and he was defending Professor Alan Taylor’s book on the Origins of WW2. How careers change!

      • stewball

        You’re quite right. Millions were shot or raped to death or tortured.

  • Evette Coutier

    They should outlaw anti-white male speech first.

    • Whitetrashgang

      They should outlaw jews.

    • ncpride

      Banning free speech will only apply to White people should we dare speak out about our displacement, and dispossession.

  • the sound the flood the hour

    The fact that they are so obsessed with silencing neo-nazis makes me interested in what neo-nazis have to say.

    • Whitetrashgang

      Nothing different then anyone else on this board,just not scared to name the tribe as responsible for 99% of WT problems.

      • LACounty

        Well said. It’s not that people here are afraid. It’s just a waste when you know your comment will be deleted.

    • They use the “Nazi” word as a smear, just to silence honest opposition to Marxism.

      • HamletsGhost

        Ironically, the original Nazis were indeed the most honest opponents that the Marxists ever encountered. They were a lot more serious in their opposition than the namby-pamby coward conservatives we have today.
        The German National Socialists not only opposed the Communists in word, but in deed. They fought them in the streets of Germany with fists and brass knuckles as well as on the plains of Russia.
        If the word “Nazi” scares you into silence, then your opposition isn’t really honest. It certainly isn’t serious.

        • I prefer to be called a “racist”. I am an American, all the way through, and the Nazi ideology was never American.

          • HamletsGhost

            The old America was more “Nazi” than you think. Before 1965, the USA severely restricted non-white immigration, prohibited inter-marriage with Negroes, and still honored the men who “won the West” from the Indians. It also was a pioneer in the field of eugenics.

            Hitler found much to admire in the old America. Perhaps you need to sit and think about which America you belong in.

          • I like this “America” less and less. I’m 3/16 injun and married to a Japanese gal. I used to collect and shoot old military rifles. My neighbor smokes marijuana. I spent the morning getting my fishing gear ready for when the weather turns nice again. What we’re doing hurts absolutely nobody.

          • Long Live Dixie

            I’m 3/16 injun and married to a Japanese gal.

            So, you’re a non-white married to a non-white posting at a white racialist site? The internet certainly brings out the oddballs.

          • I am also a convicted federal felon on the Terrorist Watch List, though I am not really an orc any more and wish I had never been one. I am very much in favor of Western Civilization.

            I am quite intelligent, though, and I know what is good for me and everyone else. Visiting museums is good. Tying fishing flies is good. Writing poetry is good. Physically busting the dog-poop out of someone is bad, even if they really need it.

            We need mot be on opposite sides here. I’m civilized these days, thanks to age, prior incarceration, and the responsibilities associated with a wife and daughter.

          • stewball

            Well we all know I’m Jewish and post here as well. Not that my family know! Perish the thought.

          • stewball

            I loved Japan.

          • jeffaral

            What’s the American ideology? Sex.drugs and Rock’n’roll ?

          • Making money!

            You asked.

          • jeffaral

            Yes, making money so that you can have lots of sex, drugs and rock’n’roll.

          • Sometimes making money means paying off your house when you are only 38. I love rock & roll music. I tried marijuana once at my neighbor’s house and didn’t like it. I positively love sex, however, and I believe any guy who doesn’t like it with a willing lady is completely missing the point. At the age of 47, I am starting to slow down to where three times a day is plenty. It still takes me about 45 minutes to an hour each time. I’m not in any hurry.

            My wife and I have been married seven years and still take showers together. Love and the physical expression of it need not be a little thing.

          • stewball

            You made me laugh. If you’re slowing down at 47 what should I be doing?

      • stewball

        Where I live the ultra religious use nazi for anybody who doesn’t agree with them but especially the government. And especially those that want them to do their bit here instead of leaching off the people.

        • David Ashton

          Reminds me of the “joke” that an anti-Semite was anyone who hated Jews, now he is anyone a Jew hates. Boom boom! Jackie Mason, kindly leave the stage!

          • stewball

            I hate Jackie Mason. Crude and a disgrace.
            The way things are going here there’ll be a civil war between us and them and then the world can stop worrying about how to destroy Israel. After all that’s what they want deep down.
            I’m waiting for Jews to be deemed undesirables and forced to leave their countries like Edward 1 did.

          • David Ashton

            Closet anti-Gentile?

          • stewball

            Me? Good God no. What makes you think that? You’re not reading me properly.

          • David Ashton

            Good G’d! Not reading ME properly!

            Anyway, as I’ve said before, I haven’t time for an endless dialogue.

          • stewball

            Bah! David Ashton – any relation to the lady! ? – Bah!
            Good GOD you’re religious or copying the religious Jews with your G-d.
            You are so anti-pati – Hebrew expression but you know what it means.

          • David Ashton

            No relation to that silly woman at the EU.

            Are you any relation to the Stewballs of Yakutia?

          • stewball

            Lol. Silly child.
            I’m related to a tortoiseshell kitty.

          • David Ashton

            Not the racehorse, then?

          • stewball

            Not far off. It was the time of Lonnie Donsgan’s ‘Stewball’ so you’re not far off. She also had a second name. ‘Fawkes’.can you work that one out Mr. Ashton?

          • David Ashton

            I said weeks ago that I preferred to discontinue our private exchanges, for good reasons supplied, and with respect I shall ignore your question and your further comments. Hot a gutn tog, as your “lot” say in Noo Yark.

          • stewball

            How the hell would I know what they say in bloody New York pray tell. I’ve never even been to America. I’m a Londoner! But as you don’t read properly I certainly do not expect you to have clicked to that tiny bit of info that even romulus knows. Your rudeness is unnecessary. Just don’t answer.

          • David Ashton

            Have a nice day.

          • stewball

            קפוץ לי

          • stewball

            Sammy Davis Junior got on a bus in the deep south. The bus driver said ‘get to the back of the bus’. SDJ said ‘but I’m Jewish! ‘ said the bus driver ‘then get off the bus’. Dah da! Just as bad as your Jackie Mason joke.

          • David Ashton

            We cannot go on jesting like this, but does anyone know the joke about Freud on a train with a match-making Rabbi?

            Here is one just for Herr Spartacus before the Moderator closes down the Jewish Joke section of AmRen.

            The Einsatzkommando officer at the pit was running low on bullets, so he said to the last child at the end of the line: “I vill let you go, if you can tell me vich of my eyes is a glass vun.” (Zey all talk like zat in ze movies.) “It’s the one on the left,” said little Devorah. “How did you guess?” said the officer. “It seemed kinder than the other one.”

          • stewball

            Lol

    • Lagerstrom

      Yep, me too. What are the authorities scared of? I want as much information as possible.

    • stewball

      Nothing new. Just a load of old B.S.

      • oddball1776

        You’ve piqued my interest.

        Off to find out more.

        • stewball

          Oh look. We’ve got the same surname!:-)

        • stewball

          He’s not swedish.

        • stewball

          I don’t think it’s right the Swedes should be messing with my religion.

  • MekongDelta69

    I’m changing my screen name to M’D69ala M’D69ala, so I can be the M’Bala M’Bala of AmRen
    /sarc – duh

    Look – after a while, you have to post ridiculous posts in response to ridiculous articles…

  • “Free speech should not stand in the way of common decency.”
    So he’s all for banning Sarah Silverman?

    • Oil Can Harry

      Rosenbaum’s wife told him: “Just don’t ban Baw-bra Streisand. Her skin is like BUTTAH!”

    • sbuffalonative

      Yes, who will decide what common decency is? Comedians like Sarah Silverman and Sandra Bernhard? Go to youtube and search their names linked with Jesus and Christians.

  • bigone4u

    A country that promotes pornography, while punishing those who say the n-word is a country that is already insane. This is not my country anymore and I treat its government institutions to reflect my divorcing it.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    Neo-Nazi is used by the left a bit too liberally. Often they refer to race realism, white nationalism, criticism of organized Jewry, etc as all neo-Nazi.

    My main problem with neo-Nazis (as in people who are down with the Third Reich) is that they tend to infiltrate right-wing websites and push things in their direction (which is self -destructive because it ruins any broad appeal that the website might have).

    • Long Live Dixie

      The majority of people in America who identify with Hitler and the Third Reich are just white nationalists. Very few of them have an understanding of the National-Socialist worldview. They’re sort of like the college kids who call themselves Communists but have never read Marx.

      • So CAL Snowman

        “Very few of them have an understanding of the National-Socialist worldview.”

        I would say given the massive amounts of insane anti-German propaganda that is to be expected. I identify with the Third Reich because I see them as the ONLY entity that has actively fought against the insane evils of Communism and the New World Order. I also identify with the Third Reich because of what England, France and all the others did to Germany after Word War 1. I see a country that fought to throw off the shackles of the New World Order in order to guarantee freedom and prosperity for not just the German people, but for all Europeans who despised communism and the machinations of the global banking cartel.

        • Kathy M

          Hard to believe you would really think that given your ethnic background which maybe two people here know about — you and I.

          • NeanderthalDNA

            Yer scary, woman…

            In a good way, ha ha.

          • So CAL Snowman

            My ethnic background? You mean Irish, German, and French? I’m not saying the Third Reich was some sort of utopian heaven, lord knows they did their fair share of killing, but compared to the USA or England I think the Third Reich is not so bad.

          • dd121

            One of their stated objectives of the Nazis was to save Western Civilization, presumably for white people. I for one am in favor of that. The Marxists, on the other hand, wish to destroy everything I cherish. Anybody who disagrees with that, may smear me all they wish and I don’t care.

      • Sick of it

        Reading Marx may not wake them up, but reading the words of Lenin, Stalin, Castro, etc. can wisen them up real quick (as will a more thorough understanding of how Communist countries worked). Worked for me.

        • Sangraal

          ‘Surely you do not imagine that we shall be victorious without applying the most cruel revolutionary terror?’
          -Lenin

      • David Ashton

        Though usually warned off by the description “turgid” Mein Kampf is probably more readable and intelligible to ordinary people than Das Kapital. Hitler said that the Nazis found their rank-and-file communist opponents had little comprehensive knowledge of the Marxist classics but just echoed the same slogans, insults or questions which they had been instructed to repeat in public encounters.

        • Long Live Dixie

          . . . but just echoed the same slogans, insults or questions which they had been instructed to repeat in public encounters.

          Yes, and it’s the same today with the Left as it was in the 1920s. They mindlessly chant slogans about ideologies that they have no real comprehension of. “Useful idiots” comes to mind here.

    • sbuffalonative

      How many of them are leftist provocateurs trying to make the right look like racist bigots?

      Google: Crash the Tea Party.

      There are far too many examples of the left showing up at conservative events with misspelled signs and offering ‘racists’ sound bites to the press to not be suspicious.

      Just this morning, I was watching Washington Journal on C-span. During the call in on immigration reform, two ‘republicans’ called in with bizarre comments that made them seem like nut jobs.

      I don’t know any conservative Republican who makes such comments.

    • SoulInvictus

      The thing I would hope everyone realizes (as you infer) is that every single person on this thread would be considered a neo-nazi by these people. While you may see the nuanced differences, they don’t and you will be included in whatever restrictions are coming down the pipe.

      lol, which makes me think of a ironically fitting quote, to paraphrase:
      When they came for the neo-Nazi’s, I said nothing because I wasn’t one, etc etc etc.

  • No doubt the same POS writing the above article would whole-heartedly agree with the one Sailer notes here: http://isteve[dot]blogspot[dot]com/2014/01/the-best-defense-is-good-offense.html

  • Truth Teller

    Q. What is a neo-Nazi?
    A. Whoever Morris Dees or Abe Foxman says is a neo Nazi, is a neo Nazi!!!!

    • Conrad

      Actually I’m Meso-nazi. I’m not old enough to be a Paleo-Nazi nor am I young enough to be a Neo-Nazi.

      • So CAL Snowman

        I’m a National Capitalist

        • KevinPhillipsBong

          Is that like a paleolibertarian?

        • If it helps any, I’m a racist.

          • stewball

            Aren’t we all in one way or another?

  • sbuffalonative

    Many more countries have outlawed Holocaust denial.

    I can deny the earth is round but it will still be round. Why does my denial matter? You shouldn’t have to ‘enforce’ the truth.

    • So CAL Snowman

      The Truth does not fear investigation.

    • Spartacus

      They know it’s bull**** . It’s really that simple .

    • François

      And historians like David Irving shouldn’t be sent to jail, without having a real chance to be heard, and explain in sufficient detail the things on which their opinions are founded.

      I mean, if someone like Leonard Jeffries can not only write books, but actually become a tenured professor, David Irving deserves a fair chance to explain himself!

      • David Ashton

        Irving has always been a bit of documentary stunt man. Professor Richard Evans published a shrewd critique of Irving’s historiography and Irving replied by calling him “skunky”. However, most of Irving’s work is based on intensive and extensive documentary research, and also beautifully written. He foolishly upset Jews in earlier days with odd remarks (e.g. Rakosi resembled a kosher butcher) and his Focal Point website today largely consists of quoting news-items unfavourable to Jewish publicists and pressure groups. His libel trial was a mistake, but he cannot seriously be called a “Holocaust Denier” tout court. Every effort has been made to ruin him financially, apart from imprisonment and banning him from various countries. His forthcoming biography of Himmler may annoy everyone, but hopefully enlighten us on the notorious Posen Speech. His writings are easily accessible on-line.

  • One other thing.

    “Deny Neo-Nazis free speech”

    What Neo-Nazis? You mean the Potemkin Neo-Nazis that Thane Rosenbaum’s friends invent to give the paranoia-industrial complex a fund raising pretext?

  • dubyasee

    When you have put in enough research, it becomes painfully obvious who you aren’t allowed to criticize. Even here on AmRen, you must be careful to couch your rhetoric in generalized terms, or your post simply disappears. I don’t know if we are way past a tipping point where it is futile and self-defeating to point out our oppressors and their evil behavior, but I cannot help but speak out for truth and denounce the monstrous lies that have become the religion of our time.

  • sbuffalonative

    The first restriction on free speech will be Holocaust Denial. Once Holocaust Denial is illegal in the US, the precedent will be set to go after any other ‘hate speech’ .

    The End of the US is Nigh.

    • the sound the flood the hour

      It’s always boggled my mind that its perfectly acceptable in our society to deny the holodomor or the great crime but to even question any little detail of the holocaust is considered a thought crime and can actually get you arrested in some parts of europe.

    • anton drexler

      Holocaust denial has to be illegal because the orthodox story can’t stand up to serious scrutiny. If the orthodox opinion about the holocaust is unassailable, what do those who hold it have to fear from the revisionists? What are they so afraid of if they’re so sure their version is true? When I went to school in the 80s, the commissars taught me Nazis made lampshades out of human skins, shrunk heads, electrocuted people on conveyor belts, etc. All of these falsehoods are now accepted as pieces of Allied propaganda, even by establishment Jewish historians like Deborah Lipstadt. The massacre at Babi Yar is now seen as fictitious, as are other atrocities Communists claimed were committed on the Eastern front.

      • Sick of it

        Jewish historians have often give much smaller figures than 6 million for the number of Jews killed by the Nazis. Guess what? The average man doesn’t know any better, so you get treated like garbage if you say anything about the official story.

      • Sangraal

        I was unaware that the Babi Yar massacre is now considered fictitious by mainstream historians. There’s no mention of it on the wikipedia page and googling yields only revisionist sources. Could you provide a link to confirm this? Thanks.

        • anton drexler

          Mainstream historians don’t doubt the orthodox story of Babi Yar, at least not openly; but then, if they did, they’d no longer be mainstream historians, they’d be out of work. Babi Yar is another chapter in the holocaust that’s veracity, at the very least, is highly questionable. The reason holocaust orthodoxy has to be maintained at any cost is because if it collapses, if it is in fact true that Jewish propaganda has exaggerated Nazi evil to an enormous degree, the age old goy attitude toward Jews (that they are swindlers and liars) will be greatly validated, and a counter-revolution against Jewish power will commence.

      • jeffaral

        You’re forgetting that the Germans used to play soccer using jewish babies and fed their dogs with jewish babies’ meat. Simon Wiesenthal told us, must be true!

      • Sangraal

        Thanks for your (now deleted) reply. I read your post to mean that it had been ‘officially’ confirmed as propaganda/a hoax/false flag, like the Katyn massacre. It will be interesting to see what other (if any) revisionist claims are vindicated by mainstream historians if we come to find ourselves in less ‘sensitive’ times.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Maybe I should become a jewish Neo Nazi? O vey!

  • Pro_Whitey

    So, you can’t burn a cross, but you can burn a U.S. flag? I find that mentally excruciating, along with anything coming out of Obama’s mouth.
    Also, are Brazil and France really good examples of keeping the peace? Darker Brazilians are storming shopping malls. Would there have been 2,000 cars burned in France on New Year’s had they not had these laws?

    • David Ashton

      Look at Brazilian prisons especially where you have black inmates.

  • Tarczan

    What was the hallmark of Nazi Germany? Lack of free speech.

    • Extropico

      It was definitely a Shibboleth of Nazi Germany. Heh.

    • Whitetrashgang

      No going against the tribe.

  • Extropico

    The Bolsheviks are here in Amerika. It is my position that antiWhites are neo-Nazis, socialists who favor government and corporate ethnic cleansing of Whites. By his own standard of conduct, Mr. Rosenbaum should censor and censure himself.

  • LACounty

    The term “Neo-Nazi” is about as watered down as the term “racist”. If you’re White and haven’t been accused of being at least one of those, you aren’t pulling your weight.

    • Lagerstrom

      Heh heh. The number of times I’ve been called this-and-that is most likely incalculable. And I’m pretty easy to get along with!
      My brother was wearing his Willy Nelson ‘Don’t Mess With Texas’ t-shirt on the bus. He was called a ‘fascist’ by a funny-looking female university student.
      Willy Nelson, the big fascist.
      What I’m saying here is you don’t have to try very hard.

      • LACounty

        Yeah. Something as ethical as wanting your immigration laws enforced draws the racist finger pointing. Two of my favorite funny Willy Nelson songs are, “Ain’t Goin’ Down on Brokeback Mountain”, and “Ten with a Two”. I’ve been accused of being a racist, homophobe, xenophobe, Nazi, Neo-Con, Liberal loon, Marxist.

  • So CAL Snowman

    “Should Neo-Nazis Be Allowed Free Speech?”

    Allowed by whom? That’s the thing about lefties and Marxists like this, they are inherently COWARDS. They want to impose their ideology on those they dislike but they do not want to get their hands dirty. They are afraid of physically confronting us, so they implore the State with it’s jackbooted thugs to do their dirty work for them. Lefties are INCAPABLE of physically standing up for what they believe in. They are only capable of invoking someone else to do their bidding for them. Thane Rosenbaum if YOU want to deny ME free speech you come out to California and physically put your hand over my mouth and tie my hands behind my back, but you won’t because you are afraid of what might happen if you try.

    • Guest

      uu

    • David Ashton

      “No tolerance for the ‘Right'” (Marcuse).

  • Druid

    Should Neo-Nazis Be Allowed Free Speech?,
    _______________________________
    I despise Neo-Nazis. They’re nothing but a bunch of commie, pinko, screaming liberals.

  • Okay, but the ramblings of goofy law professors today become legal jurisprudence tomorrow.

    • Ron Cheaters

      Agreed, our freedoms are disintegrating at an alarming rate. So why are we so complacent in allowing these thought police define who they think we are?

    • john miles

      That is the real problem Question. Of course this creep sounds like just another lefty loon but how many absurd leftist notions have become law in the past forty to fifty years? I think we can agree that the answer is far too many.

      • Joe blow

        He’s a jew. That answers 90% of the question as to why he would write un-American crap like this.

        • john miles

          Well he is a radical leftist that much is very clear.

  • Luca

    Getting your feelings hurt is subjective. There is no protection in the Constitution about getting your feelings hurt. There is no law of nature that allows us insulation from emotional pain. We need emotional pain as a way to grow and become stronger.

    So Mr. Rosenbaum, I suggest you take your propagandized pseudo-science to another country where personal freedom is not such a pressing issue.

  • Marc Zuckurburg

    I disagree strongly. If for no other reason, Thane is good people, quality rock solid as a man can come. So I don’t know why he’s wasting time writing silly stuff like this when we need his help to get comprehensive immigration reform across the goal line.

    Maybe my last check to him needed a few more zeroes.

    Thane Rosenbaum (L), and some woman (R).

    • Luca

      That’s not some woman, that’s his Rabbi.

    • sbuffalonative

      His Wikipedia entry is certainly enlightening.

      • Sick of it

        Huh, it appears that I’m being heavily moderated now.

    • Not the same skull.

    • Lagerstrom

      “I write the soo-oongs that make the whoooole world siiiinnnnggggg”

    • Hey Mr Fantasy

      Does “she” have fangs? All the better to suck the blood out of little Gentile children…

      • stewball

        You do live in a fantasy land A.H.

  • tickyul

    Don’t laugh TOO hard, when the Doucheocrats gain more and more control…..they would love to restrict speech that THEY find repellent.

  • Biff_Maliboo

    Neo-Nazi’s really don’t exist outside of Hollywood.

    • Lagerstrom

      I thought American History X was a scary documentary!

  • Bon, From the Land of Babble

    Perhaps America’s fixation on free speech has gone too far.

    I gave your proposal some thought.

    About one second’s worth.

    The answer is NO and HELL NO.

    The First Amendment was written to protect speech the government doesn’t like. Just who gets to decide what is hurtful, harmful and hateful? The government? Those who believe ALL conservatives, libertarians, tea partiers and Republicans are neo-Nazis?

    After all, in 1977 a federal court upheld the right of neo-Nazis to goose-step right through the town of Skokie, Illinois, which had a disproportionately large number of Holocaust survivors as residents.

    “In 1978, Frank Collin (born Frank Cohen) led a neo-Nazi march near the predominantly Jewish town of Skokie, Illinois. This was a typical controlled opposition operation. Its purpose was threefold: to push Holocaust guilt propaganda on the American people, to use Nazi symbolism to justify government repression of freedom

    of speech, and to mislead the population into thinking that anyone who is critical or suspicious of power must be a Nazi, just like those evil “Nazi’s” in Skokie. The end result was that they succeeded in achieving two of their three objectives. But they couldn’t crush freedom of speech here the way they succeeded in crushing it in Canada and Europe.”

    Collin was arrested by Michigan police in 1979 while having sex with a pair of 10-year-old boys…Collin was convicted of child molestation and sent to Pontiac prison where he served three years of a seven-year sentence.”

    Free Speech is hateful, harmful and hurtful:

    But it sure beats what YOU are proposing, Rosenbaum.

  • Puggg

    Too much time your hands, Thame. Law school professor has to be about the easiest and cushiest gig alive, if they have time to dream up garbage like this.

    His case centers around the “science” that five Neo Nazis are ruining the collective psyche and morale of 44 million black people. Either Neo Nazis really have their act together and are that smart and savvy with their words and actions, or blacks are just that weak and such timid souls.

    • Sick of it

      Apparently not – See the murder of Jesus Christ.

  • slash345

    The constitution thankfully protects us from these tyrants on the left.

    If not for the constitution this country would have evaporated a long time ago.

    • Hey Mr Fantasy

      Not for long! Demographics is destiny and whites were too busy with their perpetually childish, hedonistic, materialistic lifestyles to have children, so now the “minorities” will rule us and what do they care for the Constitution? That was written by rayciss old dead white men! Within 20 years at most we will be the New South Africa, where they rule over us and get their revenge. It’s coming, mark my words. We all know it, deep down inside, but nobody will do anything to prevent it. We’ll be living The Turner Diaries, mark my words.

  • sbuffalonative

    While you’re laughing, he’s seriously pushing his agenda; and the left doesn’t stop until they get what they want.

  • Truthseeker

    In pluralistic nations like these with clashing cultures and historical
    tragedies not shared by all, mutual respect and civility helps keep the
    peace and avoids unnecessary mental trauma.

    Translation: “Diversity requires a police state.”

    • Gianni_Paolinzetti

      I, like many of us here, surely must have missed the historical event where Frenchmen and Brits got together and determined that they would henceforth become “pluralistic” nations.

      • David Ashton

        They didn’t. It was imposed on us by stealth.

  • Sick of it

    “Thane Rosenbaum” – Sums up the article all by itself…

    • sbuffalonative

      For more, read his Wikipedia entry.

      • Sick of it

        “The Myth of Moral Justice” does speak volumes.

  • WR_the_realist

    I know some people aside from illegal immigrants who do not belong in the United States: Thane Rosenbaum, and anybody else who does not fully support the Bill of Rights. I am not a neo-Nazi, and don’t hate Jews, but I know if neo-Nazis are forbidden to voice their opinions then I am next in line for censorship.

    • Sick of it

      “The original United States Naturalization Law of March 26, 1790 (1 Stat. 103) provided the first rules to be followed by the United States in the granting of national citizenship. This law limited naturalization to immigrants who were “free white persons” of “good character”. It thus excluded American Indians, indentured servants, slaves, free blacks, and Asians. It also provided for citizenship for the children of U.S. citizens born abroad, but specified that the right of citizenship did “not descend to persons whose fathers have never been resident in the United States”. It specifies that such children “shall be considered as natural born citizens” — the only U.S. statute to ever use the term “natural born citizen”.

      The Act of 1790 was superseded by the Naturalization Act of 1795, which extended the residence requirement to five years, and by the Naturalization Act of 1798, which extended it to 14 years. The 1798 act was repealed by the Naturalization Law of 1802. Major changes to the definition of citizenship were ratified in the nineteenth century following the American Civil War.”

      en (DOT) wikipedia (DOT) org/wiki/Naturalization_Act_of_1790

  • JohnEngelman

    New studies show that unbridled hateful speech can cause emotional harm.

    – Thane Rosenbaum, The Daily Beast, January 30, 2014

    Flag desecration, obscenity, and blasphemy cause emotional harm, but liberals do not care about that.

    • Alexandra1973

      Personally I think that’s a lot of what this anti-bullying campaign is about…making sure that no one is ever offended by what someone has to say. And I say this as someone who was constantly bullied throughout my school years.

      • JohnEngelman

        I am sorry to hear about your school years. When I was bullied I worked out with weights and took karate lessons. Eventually the bullies left me alone. Bullies like hurting people, but they are cowards. They avoid fair fights.

        I think restrictions on hate speech are efforts to suppress irrefutable arguments in favor of intrinsic racial differences. Most liberals would rather not think about the biological reasons Head Start and No Child Left Behind failed.

        • Guest

          I stopped the bullies by tearing a few apart, with either words or my fists and feet. Ripping a new a****** for someone that deserves it a few times usually has the desired effect of convincing others that you are not to be fooled around with. It works on th

        • Jotun Hunter

          and are you yourself suddenly no longer a proud, obama-voting liberal? you snake in the grass with your smokescreen posting.

        • Mergatroyd

          Just like you try to bully people here into accepting your sick agenda of race-replacing Whites with Asians and Jews.

          — The thought of you losing your job to a more intelligent Jew or Oriental is pleasing to me. As time goes on there will be more of that.

          — I like ethnic diversity

          — What matters is not race. What matters is IQ.

          — Miscegenation is the coming trend. There is not point in even trying to reverse it.

          — Get used to it. In the future inter racial marriage will be even more common.

          — History is moving against you. America is becoming more multi racial, more multi ethnic, and more meritocratic. There is nothing white nationalists can do about. One gets places in politics by getting in front of popular issues. One does not get places by fighting for lost causes.

          Celestial Time is correct: Every Time you try to pretend you are one of us, these quotes need to be posted for all to see as to what you really are: an anti-White who favors the race-replacement of Whites by Asians and Jews.

          You said it yourself, John, now own it.

          • WR_the_realist

            John Engelman expressing some contrary views is not the same thing as bullying.

  • RHG

    And just exactly who decides who is a “neo-nazi”, liberals who already smear anyone that don’t agree with them of being “nazi’s”?

    • Notice the sleight of hand moving immediately from “Neo-Nazis” to anything deemed “hateful”. He’s priming his readership to go into his article agreeing with him. (I mean, Neo-Nazis are the most horrific, evil things in the world, are they not? Surely no one sensible would be against silencing them, right?)

      • JohnEngelman

        There are people in our day and age who admire the Nazis and wish that Germany won the Second World War. Those attitudes sicken and anger me. Nevertheless, a successful effort to silence them would probably endanger race realists too.

        We need more candor, rather than less, on the ways racial groups differ in average ability levels and behavior, and the likely biological reasons for these differences.

        • I wish the First World War had been drawn out into a miserable peace.

          • WR_the_realist

            Had Woodrow Wilson not dragged us into World War I the most likely result is that there would have been a negotiated peace (which Germany wanted) and all the combatants would have returned to their original borders. Instead we got the punitive Treaty of Versailles, which led to hyperinflation, the destruction of the German working and middle classes, the rise of the Nazis, and World War II.

            Americans who think it’s our job to fight other people’s wars have a lot to answer for.

        • David Ashton

          “The Holocaust” is used today to silence discussion of racial differences, although there was more free speech than usually supposed among German scientists about race (except for the Jewish issue, though even there it was not as cut-and-dried as people suppose until 1942).

          There should be no limitations on free speech, except direct incitement to crime and violence, apart from redress for personal defamation. Pornography is not “speech”.

          • I don’t even have a problem with pornography so long as it is not interspecies (you know exactly what I mean) or depicts rape. We can already use laws about “incitement to violence” to remedy this.

          • David Ashton

            Not if the adult participants, viewers and merchants claim consent. Worth reading is Phyllis Schlafly’s “Victims of Pornography” (1987) written at a milder time – less than a dollar on Amazon.

          • The nastier varieties can still be prosecuted as incitement to violence under existing laws.

          • Mergatroyd

            Normalization of porn is used as a method of tearing down orderly, civilized White society. It is being strewn everywhere and aimed at our youth. Anyone here see the Grammy? Or gone to a targeted-to-teen PG movie lately? The most deviant behavior and language is passed off as normal. First was the justification for same-sex marriages and gay issues, which is repeatedly being shoved down our throats all over the place, including the Grammys and the Rose Parade.

            Now there is a movement to normalize pedophilia or man-boy love. Sounds crazy, right, but it is happening the same way gays forced their issues into the popular culture.

            See here for a more recent article than Schlafly’s: “Sex Plague: The Normalization of Deviance and Depravity”

            http COLON www DOT veteranstoday DOT com/2014/01/25/sex-plague-the-normalization-of-deviance-and-depravity/

        • Martel

          There are a handful of people who wish the Nazis had won, while communist sympathizers basically have and still run Western education, its bureaucracies and other drains of economic capital and innovation, like Unions. Yet you are angered and sickened not by the average Jean Paul Sartre,or Oliver Stone, highly esteemed, well connected and well established, but by a nearly invisible portion of Americans and Europeans who support nazism today.

          I’m in no way an admirer of nazism, but it was much less damaging, it actually had some legitimate grounds, and it was reactionary in comparison to the opportunist ideology driven foreign invaders which constituted the totalitarian Bolsheviks. The attitudes which sicken me is of those who vote to endanger the lives and future of whites today, something which is actually relevant, and something which you explicitly endorse

          • JohnEngelman

            How do I “vote to endanger the lives and future of whites today?” I am in favor of a harsh criminal justice system, and more restrictions on immigration. I want all illegal immigrants to be deported, and I want their employers to be punished.

          • Martel

            You push the false notion that Republicans are the main forces behind immigration and amnesty, and as far as I know, you are a democrat.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are right about the Democratic part.

          • WR_the_realist

            Every single Democratic senator voted for that horrid immigration bill. Only some Republicans did. I’m sure we’ll see the same pattern in the House. So as horrible as Republicans are, Democrats aren’t the slightest bit better.

          • Even if Mr. Engelman is a Democrat, I would rather recruit him as an ally.

          • Martel

            Then you don’t understand what he is. The cornerstone of his morality is his disdain for average whites, its as much part of his identity as it is with the most radical of leftist activists. There is a reason he continually gloats at the misery of whites, mocks whites for having a sense of pride, while at the same time making statements which would make an Asian nationalist blush. He considers jews not only intellectually superior, something which you can argue for indeed, he considers them inherently morally superior. How is this different from a leftist who considers blacks morally superior to evil whitey?

            He also supports presidential candidates who without any doubt consider whites a mere obstacle to be removed, he knows about Obama’s background and therefore its easy to understand how the man views whites, yet he votes for him. A naive leftist has an excuse, he doesn’t.

            He will never change, I have seen plenty of people revert and he is not the type.

    • David Ashton

      Keep an eye on appointments to the Supreme Court. Judicial activism could undermine free speech as it undermined free association. “One nation under God”?

    • Alexandra1973

      I have to wonder what Nazis thought of blacks. That would be interesting to find out. If they had no issue with blacks, that’d be an interesting nugget to toss out.

      • jackryanvb

        Read “destined to witness- growing up Black in Nazi Germany” by Hans Massaquoi. Very interesting, honest book. Hans considered himself German and his public school classmates generally looked out for him.

  • obot

    Writer: Rosenbaum

  • obot

    Hate speech is anything that is not politically correct

    • BillMillerTime

      “Hate speech” is merely any speech that they hate.

  • MBlanc46

    That this is being seriously discussed is very worrying.

    • sbuffalonative

      I agree. The ‘progressive’ left doesn’t stop until they get what they want. The issue is now out in the open. We’ll have to see how who picks it up and how far it goes.

    • I find it a hopeful sign. The more we rankle them, the more they tip their hands, and the more we can expose them for the totalitarians they truly are.

      • Sick of it

        They’ve been exposed as totalitarians. The people have chosen to give up self government. Otherwise, why back down at every turn? The mass of the people are uneducated and have a relatively low IQ. An average IQ isn’t good enough to determine the future of this country, let alone the world.

      • WR_the_realist

        We all know that the left is totalitarian at heart (as were the Nazis). Naziism may be a dead cause but the left goes from strength to strength.

    • SoulInvictus

      I look at it both ways. It is disturbing, but also reassuring a little. If things are heating up so much that they feel control needs to be clamped down harder, then that could be a good sign.
      Authoritarianism always oversteps, it can’t help it. It will push farther and farther until the cracks start to show.
      I think they already are.
      People have realized the economics aspect already. They let it become too obvious. The rest isn’t far behind. And then it won’t just be whites, it’ll be every poor person. That’s why it always serves me fine to refer to the international banking and investment class. It’s largely one and the same., and the whites that are in bed with both of those groups, can go down with them for all I care.

  • sbuffalonative

    We all know what he means. ‘Hate Speech’ is anything the ‘progressive’ left believes they can use to silence their opposition.

  • Evette Coutier

    I agree. Liberals calling me racist is hurtful and is causing me long term emotional pain. It should be outlawed and I should get a large civil settlement against MSNBC. I think 100 million is fair and reasonable.

  • M.

    I regularly come across videos of comedians ridiculing Christians and their beliefs on TV. I’m sure that causes “emotional harm” to some believers. But should this be outlawed too?
    Why not just reintroducing blasphemy laws?

    This is the problem with trying to regulate free speech. What parts of it should be regulated: sexist jokes? Racist allusions? Nazi gestures?
    It’s a joke.

    Also, what the writer forgot to mention is the public backlash of when the French Interior Minister intervened and tried to prosecute that Dieudonné quenelle guy.

    • Ironically, Dieudonné is part black.

      Yet, in an article about the “evils” of anti-Semitism, that does not seem to be mentioned at all. Only vituperative for (white) neo-Nazis is allowed.

  • IstvanIN

    The only diversity that counts for beans is the diversity of thought and ideas. Unless one is directly, and seriously, threatening someone with harm, or making a false statement that is likely to cause mass hysteria, such as yelling “fire” in a crowded theater, all speech should be legal, regardless of how repugnant it is. One should be able to advocate for what one believes. Blurting out “I could kill him”, or something similar, of course should not be considered threatening harm. So many nations today prohibit speech of one sort or another. What is scary is that so many people support prohibiting speech that they don’t care for, not seeing the slippery slope that eventually may cause them to lose the freedom to express what they believe in.

    Much of the stagnation of the USSR, Eastern Europe and Cuba under communism was caused by the lack of freedom of expression. The constant fear of being disappeared because you said something the authorities didn’t care for. Of having to back the official line even in non-political areas. On the other hand fear is an excellent tool to control the masses.

    Our Founding Fathers were truly brilliant men. The God-given rights they enshrined in our constitution should not be abrogated. We disregard their advise at our own peril.

    • The First Amendment comes right ahead of that one about guns.

      Remember that, everyone.

      • Mergatroyd

        Without that one about the guns there would BE no First Amendment.

        As the old expressions goes: The Second Amendment is there to protect all the others.

        • Laika

          And even that gun one is hanging on by one vote in the Supreme Court and Obama’s EO pen:

          Daily Caller, 1/29/2014, “Obama Vows to Pursue Gun Control With or Without Congress”

          httpCOLONdailycallerDOTcom/2014/01/28/obama-vows-to-pursue-gun-control-with-or-without-congress/

  • Funruffian

    If Thane Rosenbaum is so concerned about the emotional impact words can have on people’s feelings and psychological well-being maybe she can start by addressing these very issues with all the bigwigs in Hollyweird, print media and TV who happen to be of her persuasion.
    Look at your own injustices, Ms. Rosenbaum, and then get back to us.

  • Lada Belyy

    Should people who hold dual citizenship be allowed free speech? Should people who try to deny others the right to freely express their own thoughts be allowed free speech? blah blah blah…I’m sure this cockroach would say Pussy Riot has every right to crap on the altar of the National Cathedral while inserting frozen chickens into their bodily orifices, but hey, he doesn’t like church either, right? Freedom of Speech for me, and not for thee, much?

  • Spartacus

    “The Israelis are concerned about both the rise of anti-Semitism globally, and the trivialization of the Holocaust—even locally. ”

    ——————————————————————————————————————–

    They should make sure to ban their own words as well :

  • kris

    Huh. Funny Rosenbaum is so against all those neo-nazi groups as they are the only entity keeping his brethren’s victimhood alive. Not to mention all of them are false flag operations run by his buddies, however.

  • Who Me?

    Classic slippery slope.

  • GeneticsareDestiny

    I agree that trans people are how they are for a medical reason. And I actually do feel some sympathy for them; it must be awful having a body that is radically out of sync with your brain’s idea of it.

    What I object to is the leftist idea that having a mental illness makes you the opposite sex. And yes, I am aware their mental illness incorporates physical brain differences; many mental illness do, including schizophrenia and psychopathy (in fact, I would doubt the reality of a mental illness that did not incorporate any physical brain differences).

    But we are not expected to play along with the delusions and desires of schizophrenics and psychopaths, and neither should we be expected to play along with those of trans people.

    It is that expectation that the rest of society conform to the mental illness of less than 1% of the population that I object to, and that is my main problem with the “transgender rights movement.”

    • Ron Cheaters

      I wonder how they ever survived until modern medecine accepted it as a syndrome.

      • stewball

        I wonder how many committed suicide.

    • There are a lot of factors here but our emotions get caught up into focusing on only a few, and often in the wrong way. Especially when are emotions are being triggered by the politically correct.
      Some factors:
      – an exceedingly small percentage of the population are transgender
      – there are various degrees various people who claim and or think they are transgender are transgender, and this has to be taken into consideration much more than it is now.
      – will operations help that much
      – how costly are the operations?
      – given the above, to what degree should taxpayers be forced to pay for the operations.

      – no doubt there are some of such people who truly have a challenging existence. There are a number of people of various kinds, not just true transgender, who have incredibly challenging existences. It is absolutely heart-breaking if you start thinking about the different categories. One night, reading an internet medical site, I suddenly broke down crying as I read about a young woman asking if certain vitamins could help some condition, but in actuality the condition was just a small part of her Crohn’s disease.

  • Ron Cheaters

    Our tax dollars are
    likely funding those studies.

  • Lagerstrom

    Should Neo-Nazis be allowed free speech?
    Of course they should! Every Marxist commie nutcase is! Muslims marched in London a while ago brandishing placards with ‘Get Ready For The Real Holocaust’ and ‘Behead Those Who Demean Islam’, so yeah let Neo-Nazis say what they like. No one listens to them anyway and I think there’s only a handful of them left.

  • Ron Cheaters

    Just most of us are tired of leekng arse to those who appear to oppress us I believe is the sentiment. Tired, tired, oh so tired.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    If someone Jewish suggests that ‘Nazis’ should not be allowed free speech then ask them whether ‘Zionists’ should be allowed free speech.

    Censorship is a double edged blade.

  • What a complete load of rubbish. Nobody should be protected from being insulted or emotionally “hurt”. Perpetual harassment is one thing, giving out an opinion or statement of fact is another.

    If they are talking about being “less free, having their private space invaded and their sensitivities cruelly trampled on” – what about our “rights” to not have our space invaded with such people we find objectionable, that assault our peace and sensitivities and which often mean that our freedoms are trampled on?

    What are we expected to do, to take this to absurdity, where we cannot speak about anything or condemn anybody for anything they and their collectives may do, because it might cause them emotional harm? Are we supposed to race to the bottom so as not to upset anybody?

    “I know you have butchered five people to death with a chainsaw, but I know you are not a bad person really, that circumstances must have driven you to it and all those who are calling you a murderous and evil son of a gun ought to stop doing so because I know it deeply upsets you and may physically hurt your emotional state”….

    Should “Neo-Nazis” be allowed free speech. Of course. Much like people should be able to discriminate as to who they employ, and all sorts of things which are against the law in many countries today.

    If the “Neo-Nazis” are wrong then the battleground is that of ideas – not emotional upset. By suggesting people are silenced, it only serves to show that they have not got the answers to their critics.

    I have emotional pain and suffering at seeing my country eaten alive by thirdworlders and assortments of scumbags from around the world. I am offended by it and I am offended by the “scapegoating” of the white race for all the problems in the world and all the misfortunes of others, by “bigoted” ‘leftists’ who “hate” and use “blanket” narratives against a whole race of people.

    Does this mean I can shut up ‘leftist’ whiners? Somehow I doubt it.

    • Malgus

      Brother, you just surprised me, and believe me when I say I don’t get surprised often… I had thought that sanity in Britain was extinct. There’s at least one of y’all left who can think straight.

      How can you stand the Thought Police? Speak your mind and go to jail if someone even CLAIMS that they heard you say something they didn’t like? Orwell was right, just a little off on his dates is all…

      • Lol, thank you. There are still a few of us left who stand up for principles and values that fly in the face of currently expected norms.

        You are generally right though, in that Britain is a mad-house and has reached absurd levels of control by the thought police and is backed up by the real police.

        As you may know, people here have been arrested over a twitter comment, sent to prison over a facebook comment, some have spent around 8 hours being interviewed over comments and jokes that they made which were not in favour of Nelson Mandela…..

        One unwitting chef was in trouble the other month for simply saying the word “gollywog” during a discussion about the old Robertson’s brand jam jars, as it caused emotional upset and was seen as racist by the black listener who overheard.

        I cannot stand the thought police, however, it is a bit like a game which you tend to carry on playing despite knowing that one day they will probably “come for you” too; and have you put through the trauma of having to try and defend yourself and your freedoms in a land where they increasingly mean nothing.

        It is generally a “when did you stop beating your wife” situation, where it is loaded against you from the start.

    • RisingReich

      No one ‘s concerned about the perpetual harassment of Whitey, that’s for sure.

  • Malgus

    My family is German- both sides. My wife is German. Even our DOGS are German (Shepherds). Growing up, you think I wasn’t hit with all sorts of slurs?

    Later on in the military, you are subject to the most foul and vile insults ever created – stuff that would make the Thane Rosenbaum’s of the world cringe or faint. You either grew a thick skin and gave back as good as you got, or you turned into a Blue Falcon. Ex service members will know what a Blue Falcon is… I have a feeling Thane Rosenbaum is one of them, too.

    I’m not a Nazi. Neo or otherwise. I despise socialism of all stripes. BUT, if there are those who wish to advocate for a position that I do not particularly care for, then that is their right and I have no say in the matter. That’s just the way it is.

    Trying to ban certain words and phrases, or even a political philosophy (and National Socialism is a political philosophy) is outrageous. We’re well on the way to those reviled “hate speech” laws that England has. If you speak your mind, then you go to jail and are smacked with a fine if someone CLAIMS they got their widdle feewings hurt.

    I hear the “but, we have speed limits and…” argument in the gun debate all the time. The Rosenbaum’s of the world don’t recognize the distinction that free speech is codified into the Bill of Rights, and that driving is a privilege. Or else they do recognize it, but are so disingenuous and dishonest that they ignore it on purpose because it flies in the face of their ridiculous argument.

    Mr. Rosenbaum likes to cite what the French and the Israelis do… the French will grovel to anyone with power, who cares what they do? And this isn’t Israel. If you like Israel so much Mr. Rosenbaum, then I suggest you move there. You already have dual citizenship, so it’s an easy thing. Just get on a plane and GTFO.

    I’d rather live in a country where we can say what we want, when we want than live under the yoke of do-gooders like Mr. Rosenbaum, surrounded by Thought Police where you have to watch your every word..

    • Sick of it

      Speed limits, gun laws, driver’s licenses, etc. could all be considered unconstitutional. The enemy started with little things and became emboldened by a lack of opposition.

    • Talltrees

      I know a German family like yours. All German. Their great grandparents speak of being beaten by other Whites and blacks, called Nazi’s, and the like during and after World War II. Police did nothing about it. They, too, had and have German Shepherds.

      • Malgus

        My great grand-daddy was a pretty respectable guy. Owned a factory here in the US and employed a bunch of folks, so we didn’t get the blowback that the folks you know did. However, I find it interesting that great-grand-daddy found it necessary to change our last name slightly to appear “less” German. I changed it back.

        Still, I did get flamed some growing up in the 60’s and 70’s… just made me tougher, is all. Just the way things were.

        Once we go down the path of restricting speech that certain people don’t like, then we’re no better than England… first it will be fines, then jailtime, then worse…

        If you want to know who rules your country, look and see who you cannot ridicule…

        • Alexandra1973

          Good for you on changing it back. Having German ancestry is nothing to be ashamed of. I had Schram ancestors who came from Germany.

        • RisingReich

          If you want to know who rules your country, look and see who you cannot ridicule.

          No kidding.

          • nicholasi

            K***s? (this k***-site bans the naming of The K***)

          • Did some African’t urinate in your corn flakes this morning? If you want to criticize folks – and we all do here – please use accurate descriptions of why those folks have you irritated.

            John Engleman doesn’t like violent black criminals because some of them once beat him nearly to death. I don’t like methamphetamines users because one lied to me and stole from me. I also don’t like wife-beaters because my ex-father liked hitting women, especially my mother If the object is rational discussion of social issues that concern us, accuracy is important.

  • Spartacus

    ….

  • Spartacus

    …..

  • David Ashton

    Is it really “Protocols Paranoia” to suspect that the driving motive behind the criminalization of “hate” speech is not the protection of Black or Muslim or Christian or Homosexual sensibilities but to curb criticism of Israel and its dependence on “The Holocaust” as a justification for its existence? Actually I support its existence within secure borders, but there is more to the above article than meets the jaded eye. “We never feel secure unless we are supreme” (the late Rabbi Hugo Gryn, a Holocaust survivor and story-teller).

  • jackryanvb

    Like Georgetown, Fordham University is CINO – “Catholic in Name Only”..

    But then again, so is the latest, maybe the last Pope – who’s on the cover of Rolling Stones Magazine, featured as a hip, Lib, pro gay, pro multiculturalism San Francisco kind of guy.

  • DonReynolds

    I am sure we could never agree to eliminate hateful speech……without focusing exclusively on Neo-Nazis……because this is the main weapon of the Leftist Liberals and Communists. Without hateful speech and false accusations, the Left would have nothing much left to talk about. Take away their ability to intimidate their opponents by screeching “racist” or “bigot” or “nativist” and they would lose one of their most effective tools……used to intimidate those who do not comply and obey. As for stripping the free speech from Neo-Nazis alone….I would say NO. We all know the Left will only shift attention to another voice and another voice until there are no voices permitted except Leftist and Liberal and Communist. Has it ever been any different???

    • Mergatroyd

      The cultural marxists ability will never be taken away to speak out and accuse Whites of evil. The laws they pass are specifically aimed at silencing Whites, not them, and they’ll find ways to rationalize their right to demonize Whites and why your right to fight back is illegal.

      That’s what happens when your side controls the justice system and government.

      • DonReynolds

        I gently disagree. People who believe in individual freedom and free speech are at a disadvantage when dealing with those who would silence their opposition. As a conservative, I insist that everyone has the right to speak and I am a law-abiding citizen. The Left has contempt for the law and free speech, but they are eager to write the laws that would order me to comply and submit. That is why our Republic of Laws is so important, no matter how many are duped by the Marxists. In order to maintain freedom in the future, I must be willing to defy unconstitutional laws……else we will all become slaves……even if the supreme court is packed with Marxists.

      • nicholasi

        “cultural marxists” = k***s

  • The point is to progressively silence discussion by using the same laws against other non-mainstream political dissidents.

  • Bobbala

    Remember when rights meant that you didn’t need permission …

    P.S. I just sent in my $200 tax and forms to be allowed to use my 2nd amendment rights.
    P.P.S. Just try and write “Department of Firearms division of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives” on a check and Post Office forms.

    • Machineguns are a lot of fun. The last firearm I shot was a BREN. It was simply glorious. I used to have a “03 Curious & Relics” license.

  • BobWhitakerisokay

    Neo-Nazi is a code word for pro-White.

  • DonReynolds

    The ancient Romans conquered a fourth of the human race. Without a doubt, the Romans were much more brutal and oppressive than the Nazi Germans ever thought of being. Should we also ban any mention of ancient Rome, or the Roman empire, or repeal all common law (which was Rome’s gift to England)? Of course not. (No matter that the fascist salute was handed down from imperial Rome.)

    • Kit Ingoldby

      As an aside, Common Law didn’t come from the Romans. The Anglo Saxons settled in England after the Roman Empire disintegrated and developed Common Law from their own separate traditions.

      • DonReynolds

        Do more reading….and you will find that a good many of our laws, including much of common law, was handed down from the ancient Romans. Brits serving in the Roman army were some of the last to quit the empire. But not only our laws, but many of our traditions and customs were handed down from the Romans……bankruptcy was invented by Julius Caesar, the wedding traditions, property law, etc etc.

        • Kit Ingoldby

          Don’t try to patronise me, I obviously know a lot more about this than you do.

          The ‘Brits’ serving in the Roman army were not the ones who developed Common Law. Common Law was developed by the Anglo Saxons who invaded and settled in England AFTER the disintegration of the Roman Empire. The Anglo Saxons were NOT related to the ‘Brits’ who had served in the Roman Army. The Anglo Saxons were a completely separate group of peoples who had never been under Roman rule. Their legal development was completely separate from the Roman civilisation.

          We can thank the Romans for a great deal, but Common Law is not one of those things.

  • Calufrax

    You know, you may be on to something there, Thane. Maybe the use of hateful terms disparaging a group should be illegal. For starters, how about we make the use of the word “shiksa” a federal crime.

    • nicholasi

      That a k***-word

      • The word is Hebrew, from “shekets”, which means an impure girl or a “slut”. Normal men actually like sleeping with women, but we don’t later hate them for it. Perhaps you should try it sometime.

        • nicholasi

          You’re a sick pig. You sink to ad hominem k*** “argumentation”. I was pointing out that “shiksa” is a k*** word, of contempt for human (non-k***) women. It’s mostly k***s who push sodomy, you scumbag.

        • Calufrax

          “Shiksa” actually means far worse than “slut”. It actually means “female abomination” or “object of loathing”. It is an extremely nasty term meant to express contempt and hatred of non-sandpeople females in general and European women in particular. If you are in favor of its use, than you are anti-European.

  • David Ashton

    No.

  • David Ashton

    It’s all a bit complicated, but to generalise: Jews have “woken up” to the fact that their previous support for multicultural immigration has led to massive influx of hostile Muslims and others. In my view, there is a case for some kind of alliance between Gentile patriots and some Jews, but this needs care on both sides.

    • RisingReich

      The Jews in Israel sure seem awfully ‘race realist’ to me….

      • David Ashton

        We shall see what happens with the West Bank and how the rest of the world (other than the USA, perhaps) reacts. Looking at a map the Jordan would make a good frontier. The problem is that it is full of Palestinians, and to give them little self-governing enclaves will raise the “apartheid” hysteria. Transfer across the border is not going to be easily feasible except in the context of another Arab-Israeli war. Whatever happens, Europe is going to be stuck with hostile Muslim communities within our own borders, unless they too are somehow transferred back to their House of Submission. Please feel free to add your own comments, corrections or proposals.

        • Truth Teller

          Both Israelis and Islamists are parasites. They want US money and expect everyone to fight for them. The only ones from the Middle East that have not caused trouble for the West are the Christians. Why is it that the early Ottoman empire immigrants were so successful and never caused trouble in the USA?

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Yes, they are:

        African Migrants In Israel Asked To Leave The Country — Or Report To A Detention Center

        This month alone 1,700 African asylum seekers living in Israeli cities were ordered to report to the Holot facility, according to the Jerusalem Post. But very few have done so.

        The four camps in the area hold more than 16,000 inmates, which makes them the single largest detention facility in the western world, and possibly in the whole world…The Israeli concentration camps are used to detain the majority of the 60,000 African asylum seekers in Israel, most of them from Eritrea and Sudan.

        The Israeli Parliament has passed a ‘Prevention of Infiltration’ law, which sanctions the detention of everyone who enters Israeli illegally, including minors, for a minimum of three years.

        Only 26 African migrants arrived at the detention facility as 30-day deadline expires

        Israel is also offering a payment of $3,500 for any economic migrant willing to leave the country.

        …It will be very interesting to see what happens next.

      • Spartacus

        ….

        • RisingReich

          Hate that lady snake…

    • jackryanvb

      It’s a nice thought, but just isn’t happening, except on very small limited basis. We tried this when we let supposedly reformed new Conservatives – Jewish Neo conservatives in to most of all or Conservative think tanks, magazines like National Review.

      The Neo Conservatives proceeded to purge most every sane, somewhat pro White Conservative or any White Gentile who dared say, or think anything against the Neo Conservative program of invade the world for Israel, Invite the world – open borders immigration in to the USA and in hoc to the world, in hoc to the world endless borrowing to pay for both.

      It’s gotten to the point where any individual American Jewish people who take the White side or who work for common sense immigration policies have to formally convert, leave the Jewish community.

      Messianic open borders immigration to the United States to “change” the historic White British US population – it’s something of a fundamentalist religious belief for American Jews. I thought 9-11-01 had changed that, but sadly it hasn’t.

      • David Ashton

        I have noticed the “neo-conning” of conservative groups and periodicals over recent years, and of some leftist groups hitherto Palestine-friendly too. However, the division among Jews over Muslim and anti-Israel immigration is in my judgement in England and western Europe greater than you think, and no departure from the synagogue is needed or expected, quite the reverse. Maybe the Zionist self-confidence in the USA is stronger than the Zionist self-interest in Britain. Anyhow, I am willing to work with Jews who oppose mass-immigration into England, however few or egocentric.

        • jackryanvb

          Ok, but you might want to suggest that such sane, immigration restrictionist Jewish people in the UK, Europe form their own Jewish groups. It just doesn’t work well to have them come in to our groups, have them assume leadership and then for some reason, there is little or no immigration restrictionist activism getting done.

          I can so many cases, like Dan Stein becoming President of FAIR – Federation American Immigration Reform. This group was the best known, best funded immigration control group in the 1990s, and then it’s pretty much done nothing.

          Also Jewish Nicholas Sarkozy became President of France for the mainstream Conservative Party, he ran as the former tough Minister of the Interior who clamped down on Arabs, Muslims Black immigrants rioting in French suburban slum areas. He campaigned to control immigration, steal the issues of the Front National Jean Marie Le Pen. Once in office he sort of, well….

          • David Ashton

            I have said on this site before that Gentiles should keep control of any alliance, not vice-versa. There is more than can be said about Jewish fears of a renascent neo-nazism, but I frankly haven’t the mental energy to go into all the pros and cons of that, or the diplomacy required.

    • Mergatroyd

      The fact that Jews hold themselves separate from Whites and have NO problem with importing massive numbers of hostile Muslims into White homelands (England, the U.S., Australia) and that they are behind and push for open borders (Jack Straw in England for instance) shows that they are more hell bent on destroying Whites and White homelands than they are about protecting themselves from Muslims.

      Ironic, isn’t it? When our countries are completely ruined and taken over by non-Whites, who do they think will fight their wars in the ME to keep Israel safe? They’re more afraid of “evil Nazis” that only exist in their minds instead of a BILLION Muslims that openly vow to wipe Israel off the face of the earth. But we never hear about that, do we? Only about “evil Nazis.”

      Their trump card, though, is Israel, where they can always run after they’ve destroyed White homelands, a country that they’ve walled off from outsiders and that uses DNA to decide who gets to stay.

      • jackryanvb

        Jews have mostly left Zimbabwe and South Africa, though they were very prominent in working for Black mis rule. If America, England, Canada and Europe go down in to Muslim, third world hells, Jews will leave, start new colonies in places like China, try to get back parts of Poland.

        • Zaporizhian Sich

          Of course they are not going to stick around when the blacks massacre every last white, given to them whites and Jews are all alike.

          • Laika

            Example #1 is Iliana Mercer the darling of “exposing” South African horrors. Her father was a rabbi who was front and center of the anti-apartheid movement and helped to usher in the vile ANC government.
            The minute Mandela and his murderous henchmen took the reigns of power, she and her relatives split, which is easy to do if you’re a Jew.

    • jeffaral

      To ally with jews?? The funniest post ever. Thanks for the belly laugh!

    • nicholasi

      K*** is K***

  • John K

    Why not? The Black Panthers don’t have a copyright on the Declaration of Independence. If they can hate on whitey, I don’t see why whites can’t call a spade a spade.

  • Raw England

    As for the Free Speech argument: Given the RANCID, disgusting, filthy situation we Whites find ourselves in (a tiny global minority, and soon to be minority in our own homelands), I believe Neo-Nazis and any others similar should have total, absolutely unrestricted Freedom of Speech.

  • A Freespeechzone

    Make NO MISTAKE that this bullshit ’emotional damage’ never applies to the vile, nasty, violent and threats by liberals against Conservatives, Patriots and anyone who does not comply with the anti-Christian, anti-White, anti-American agenda.

    It’s about silencing any and all opposition to the communist agenda advanced by the administration and evil.

    Those who sacrificed for generations are watching us; we cannot be complacent or compliant to tyranny that seeks to destroy our sacred Constitution.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Never forget we are those Nep-Nazis our Eskimo overlords wish to silence, first by “hate speech” laws then by killing us as they killed or imprisoned millions in the Gulags. What their intent is to crush any opposition to their genocide against white Americans. If we cannot speak our peace, then we will make our point through other, direct means.

    • nicholasi

      “eskimo” = sh!t-k***?

    • NoMosqueHere

      Jews aren’t trying to kill white christians; they are marrying them.

      • nicholasi

        Spreading contagion: “Jews aren’t trying to kill white christians; they are marrying them”

        • NoMosqueHere

          It takes 2 2 tango.

          • nicholasi

            Whites are subjected to a lifetime of kikemedia dumbing-down and demoralization. Whites must boycott kikemedia for survival.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        History proves otherwise.

    • Kathy M

      LOL

      I can barely take this much longer. American Nazis, neo or otherwise, is a figment of your imagination. Get a clue. Americans HATE Nazis. We killed plenty of them in WWII.

      I cannot believe your comment wasn’t deleted! What a joke this site is becoming!

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        I have family from the former Soviet Union who suffered terrible death and destruction at the hands of both the Nazis and the Jewish Bolsheviks too. Americans did not kill plenty of Nazis, Russians and Ukrainians did. If you cannot stand the heat, then stay the Hell out of the kitchen.

        • jackryanvb

          Think Amren is not the place to try to refight World War II

      • jackryanvb

        Kathy, Zapp is saying that any of us who express any pro White racial loyalty are now demonized as Nazis. Even milk toast Conservatives like Focus on the Family, pandering, castrated old Libertarians like Ron Paul, Glen Beck, any Jewish American or Canadian who speaks out against mass Muslim immigration in to the West – all smeared as NaZIs, RACISTS – she’s a witch, burn her!

        Whenever any White person is attacked for saying something pro White, defend that person.

  • Hey Mr Fantasy

    Oh surprise! Shane ROSENBAUM wants to silence free speech! When will people wake up to the treasonous, vile Fifth Column in this country, and the Western world? Our ancestors knew the real enemy but somehow we are unaware! The Romanovs, Henry Ford, Voltaire, the Founding Fathers, Ezra Pound, etc…they all knew and wrote about it. Heck, the slimy Sons of Satan themselves make no secret of their hatred for the non-chosenites in their very own holy book! It’s all there for anyone to see, but nobody seems to want to look or listen. Funny how the problem isn’t violent minorities raping, murdering and attacking white people….it’s the FEELINGS of those minorities that’s the primary concern here! Good God. Talmudic logic and thought in action, people! Wakey wakey….time is running out.

  • Talltrees

    “Imperial Japan. Tojo and his goons were cold-blooded killers too.”
    Japan was much worse than Germany. Wish that would be brought out in the open.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Also Japan’s bloody colonial history.

      Genocidal cultural marxists demand that present-day Whites rectify for past colonialism that happened GENERATIONS ago by ceding their homelands to non-Whites and opening up their borders to everyone — but then completely ignore other races’ hegemonic pasts and do not hold them accountable.

      Why is it considered racist for Whites to colonize other people’s countries, but also racist if Whites resist the colonization of their own countries?

      “It is clear to all but the incurably stupid, ignorant, or deliberately blind, that if the current trends continue, European people, and European people alone, will be physically exterminated from Western Europe within one hundred years.”

      –Arthur Kemp

      • nicholasi

        Banzai! Its a pity Japan didn’t prevail. They were the last hope for freedom.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    We already know what would happen to them, nothing! Just as Eric “My People” Holder said that he would not apply hate crime laws to protect White victims of hate. These laws will not apply to anyone other than Whites.

  • Ella

    Does that include Jewish comedians who still make crude jokes about Germans being Nazis or accusing the Tea Party members as Nazis by the media? These groups will be fined more than your average Whites. This article spells “paranoid control-freak.”

  • Malgus

    Speed limits, drivers licenses, speeding tickets… have nothing whatsoever to do with safety. Nothing. They are there simply to generate income for the state. You think George Washington would have stood for getting a license, registration and proof of insurance for his horse? One could argue that horses are MORE dangerous than automobiles…

    ANYTHING the state does, or forces us do to against our will, has ulterior motives. Always. And yes, I really do think “speed limits” are unconstitutional, along with a whole bunch of other stuff…

    Remember the big push for helmets for motorcyclists? Everyone whined that it was to make everyone ‘safer’ or somesuch nonsense… until about a year after the laws went into effect and the insurance companies were leaning on our bought-and-paid-for “lawmakers”.

    Seems folks were wearing their helmets and when they got into accidents, they survived. Completely paralyzed, but they survived. The insurance companies figured out that eventually, they would be broke from paying out the mountains of cash needed to take care of paralyzed folks, so they pressured our ‘lawmakers’ to get rid of the helmet laws. It’s cheaper to pay out for a dead guy with a crushed skull than it is for a paralyzed guy.

    Most of what the State gets away with is unconstitutional… they have made it impossible to go about our daily business without unknowingly committing a felony. Read the book “Three Felonies a Day”… it is now impossible to live within the law.

    • jackryanvb

      Please stop posting this race denying Libertarian nonsense. Amren is a race realist web portal. We know from painful personal experience we can not let the lower caste, Black and other non White underclass do whatever they want. We support all kinds of laws, rules, social restrictions on what these people can and can not do – they can’t be allowed to have guns, porn, hard drugs, access to incitefull anti White movies, music.

      Yeah, we actually need laws that prohibit low class Blacks from wearing their pants below their butts, laws forcing low class Mexicans to se toilet paper and wash their hands with soap, laws that sterilize men and women from fathering 20+ children.

      Please take this race denying libertarian nonsense somewhere else – maybe Somala, that should be a Libertarian utopia, no government, everybody has guy puns, freedom to use drugs, blah, blah.

      Don’t even think of promoting Libertarian loon, white traitor of the year Rand Paul here.

  • Jack Burton

    Just because you curse Hitler isn’t going to make them not call you a racist and hate you all the same, just so you know.

    The left almost never condemns their own, so don’t be so quick to insult your own people.

  • Alexandra1973

    It could also be reverse psychology. I think we’re being geared towards denying the Holocaust happened. I think TPTB want more people on the blame-the-Jews bandwagon. It worked right before WWII broke out.

    Just my take on it. I believe the stage is being set for the coming persecution…the Bible refers to the Great Tribulation as the “time of Jacob’s trouble.”

    Jacob meaning the House of Israel.

    • jeffaral

      The Bible(the Books) were written by psychotic desert people suffering from sunstroke.

      • Alexandra1973

        The Bible is a collection of 66 books. Now what are the odds of getting so many books to agree with each other?

    • jeffaral

      God bless Israel and the poor, innocent Jews, always persecuted throughout history for no reason at all. Israel. right or wrong eh?

  • Alexandra1973

    Fordham, huh? That’s a Jesuit university.

    Hm.

  • jackryanvb

    Some individual members of the tribe in Canada have vigorously fought against these thought crimes tribunals. Google Ezra Levant, he was my model for my own efforts to defeat the United States Federal Hate Crime / thought crime bill.

    • Paul

      Ezra Levant is controlled resistance

      • Bon, From the Land of Babble

        Do you have more information? Could you please put up a link?

        Thanks in advance.

        • Calufrax

          Check out Levant’s own website. Once he did a video attacking those who opposed third world immigration to Canada. That should tell you how much of an “ally” he really is.

        • Paul

          If you watch his interviews with, for example Doug Christie you will see that slanders and vilifies people he doesn’t like as nazis, haters, antisemites and all the usual crap. And he does it all under his pretend agenda of free speech.

  • jeffaral

    I’m for banning freedom of speach in cases of people suuporting terrorism, e.g. Christian Zionists supporting the terrorist state of Israel.

  • Mergatroyd

    New studies show that unbridled hateful speech can cause emotional harm.

    Well, tsk tsk, Mr. Rosenbaum, we can’t have anyone’s feelings hurt, now can we? That would be a federal crime punishable by punitive fines, prison time and ruination of career and reputation.

    A crime far more serious that the “knock-out” game, rape, armed robbery, assault, carjacking or murder.

    Gotta keep those evil White devils quiet in their place while you strip them of their wealth and ruin their living spaces.

    Who do you think you’re kidding you genocidal monster?

    • nicholasi

      Unbridled hateful k***-speech can cause existential harm.

  • Mergatroyd

    While Stalin and the rest of the Soviets get a pass.

    Wonder why?

    //sarc off.

  • jackryanvb

    This tribe changes their names a lot to fit in at different places. Comedian, political commentator John Stuart sounds like a Scottish nobleman from the House of Stuart. His original name was Jonathan Stuart Leibowitz. Likewise the Rightwing talk show host Michael Savage of “the Savage nation” – he was once a Leftist New Yorker named Michael Wiener. Somehow, I doubt he would be a successful Conservative radio host of “the Wiener Nation”.

    • nicholasi

      naming the k*** upsets the people who run this site

  • Mergatroyd

    The Holocaust and Nazis theme are shoved down our throats every minute of every day. How many “evil Nazis” movies are released each year? Almost one a month, the latest in this long long series is called “Monuments Men.” There’s a good reason the History Channel is called the “Hitler” Channel, what with its one-sided rantings about how if the Germans had won WW II, we’d all be speaking German and Jews made into soap and lampshades.

    “Evil Nazis” are kept front and center in American culture to justify permanent victim status for for a certain ethnic group, raise tons of money for their anti-White causes and to keep us Whites silenced and in fear, i.e., if not for US (SPLC, etc.) Nazis would be marching in the streets of every American city and firing up the ovens.

    • Malgus

      I’ve heard the ‘we’d all be speaking German by now’ lie my whole life. I find it laughable.

      The German army that couldn’t get across 15 miles of English Channel was somehow going to cross 3000 miles of open ocean with enough of a logistical train to establish a foothold and conquer the continental United States? The SAME United States where, at the time, every manjack had a rifle of military usefulness and the will to use it? Yeah, okay… sure.

      Even the Japanese weren’t that stupid. The knew if they invaded, whatever invasion force they managed to land on US soil would have been annihilated in short order.

      All be speaking German by now? Hardly…

      • You forgot to mention the complete unwillingness of Americans or Australians to surrender or accept prisoners in the Pacific War after incidents like the Bataan Death March. The typical German soldier wouldn’t be executed on the spot by US or British Empire forces. He probably looked like the guy next door. Some of the Waffen SS had trouble surrendering to Americans and Canadians, but very few were shot in cold blood. Your typical German was a guy you with whom you would go fishing, or who could marry your sister.

        One of my mother’s friends is a Russian Jewish lady, and her grandfather was in the Imperial Russian Army during World War One. The first pair of shoes he ever owned were given to him by the German soldiers who took him POW in 1914. He joined the German army and was later taken POW again by Americans in 1918.

        What Europe has done to itself is terribly sad, but never actually threatened us here in the States.

        • Malgus

          Your anecdotal story dovetails perfectly with what I have said for years – that cultures clash, and the further apart the cultures are, the more violent the clash.

          Not to go off topic, but look at the American Indians and the Anglos. The moment they set foot in the New World, both sides were embroiled in a no-holds-barred race war that only ended with the near extinction and total subjugation of the American Indians.

          American culture is derived from European culture.. whether folks like it or not, we’re cousins. If the Japanese would have landed in the continental US, they would probably have been wiped out to the last man.

          It’s because of this that I fear for the future of the US. Multiculturalism is a sham, and those invading our country are not interested in assimilating into our culture. Small numbers of ‘others’ usually keep quiet because they’re outnumbered and they know it. When their numbers grow, they find their voice and a new target – us. Which is what we’re seeing today. The only way multiculti societies exist peacefully is with the iron hand of a dictator or the overwhelming power of the state enforcing that peace.

          Remove that for whatever reason? All of hell will break loose…

  • jeffaral

    The Thiird Reich was the first society that implemented Animal Rights; compair this to the present day suffering imposed on animals by Halal and Kosher slaughter in Europe and the USA.

  • 2eRep

    “New studies”……. Nothing more needs said. Hitler restricted speech so therefore the daily beast is no better than Hitler.

    • jeffaral

      Pro-White opinions were not banned under Hitler. Anti-German, pro-Communist were.

      • The problem there is that minor, appointed functionaries were allowed to decide which forms of speech were “Anti-German”.

        • IstvanIN

          That is always the problem with “government” approved speech, everyone thinks it is nifty to ban speech they don’t like until their speech is banned.

        • jeffaral

          You have a point but Germany had, contrary to the Hollywood lies, a great deal of freedom; I don’t blame you for lack of information: The brainwash we’ve all been submitted for years is overwelming. Hollywood and the eskimo media rule supreme.

  • bilderbuster

    It would be real easy for you to find out the capacities of modern crematoriums yourself in a matter of seconds.
    Then check out how much fuel it would take even if it was possible.

  • Malgus

    Oh I agree completely re: the failed war on drugs, wide open border, the incremental attacks on the IIA… and yeah, even our Imperial Wars. I was a lifelong soldier. Starry eyed and eager when I was 18, now disillusioned and, frankly, more than a little ashamed. Not ashamed of my service to the Republic, but that I allowed myself to be used by evil men – being lied to and believing it…

    The FedGov has precious few specific jobs that, according to the Constitution, it MUST do… securing the borders is one of those precious few specific jobs. And they are not only NOT doing that, they are avoiding securing the border on purpose!

    Specifically to water down the demographics of These United States and ensure a generational voting block for whichever side can promise them the most freebies… it’s sick. Far as I’m concerned, there’s now places in These United States that are under enemy occupation… yeah, our flag flies over that land, but for all intents and purposes it’s not the US anymore, not really. There are now NO-GO zones in the US where the Border Patrol won’t even go, unless it is in force and even then their stay is only temporary…

    Not securing our borders, on purpose, is probably one of the greatest, most egregious crimes ever committed against the people of These United States by the turncoat traitors in Mordor…

    Don’t get me started on ‘the drug war’…. just don’t…

    Oh, and as far as license, registration and insurance is concerned? Those might not be unconstitutional, but they ARE used as a “hook” – justification – during those really irritating, clearly unconstitutional roadblocks the cops toss up every once in awhile… call them ‘compliance checkpoints’ or ‘dui checkpoints’ or whatever euphemism you want, what they are are fishing expeditions.

    Our grandparents and great-grandparents would never have stood for such silliness… and if you try to exercise your rights at one of these ‘compliance checkpoints’, you are singled out for persecution and, if you are unlucky enough to not have someone filming it, the odds of you being tazed and/or beat down and/or arrested are pretty good…

    Unfortunately, I feel it will only get worse before we’re given the opportunity to make it better…

  • shmo123

    Take Hitler out of the equation, and any number of things may have transpired in the post WW1 period that could have benefited Germany and Europe as a whole. However, when you have a psychopath for a leader whose megalomania is all consuming, and is the unchecked head of a large military force he commands at whim, what other outcome could there be except absolute disaster?

  • Speed limits are unconstitutional when one is driving on a private road with the permission of the owner(s) of that road to go as fast as one likes. On public roads, the public speed limits apply. I have been pulled over at 140 mph before, but I was not drunk and otherwise fine, so the Arizona cop let me go with a warning. Since everyone has to pay for our public roads, we have public officials who set speed limits for them. While 200 is a lot of fun, I think 75 on a dry road in clear weather is plenty.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Most scholars and elitists agree Nazis are entitled to the protections of the first amendment too — even though their speech more resembles vomit than literature.

  • IstvanIN

    The Austrians, German Swiss and Liechsteiners should not have been compelled to join Germany.

  • IstvanIN

    I have always been leary of anyone who denies speech to anyone or any group. They started with the Sovereign, no political comments, no speech unless approved by the government, and worked down from their.

  • M&S

    Try teaching people not to be hurt by the truth rather than be so horrified of the potential that they are subject to it’s restrictions that they ‘cannot abide’ by their –

    ‘bereavement, betrayal, social exclusion and grave insult.’
    Knights were caned with lashes made of stripped green wood until their skin hardened and they felt no more pain. Shaolin Monks stand under freezing cold waterfalls pronouncing mantras until they can step from the shower and dry their own bodies with sudden surge in metabolism.
    Yet some truths, when ignored, form their own risk:
    1. The Poles have declared that only 1 million people died at Auschwitz. It’s on a plaque outside the camp. Where Jewish assertions about the Holocaust /require/ 4-6 million to have died in that place ‘or there is no organized genocide’ then making free speech a crime allows a massive and ongoing fraud with -real- genocidal displacement the result of Palestinians being locked up in POW camps of the Gaza And West Bank.
    2. Blacks have 87 IQ, Mexicans crossing the border an average of 83. And where IQ ‘works for everyone else’ (Asians get better jobs than whites, Jews have incredible presence throughout our government, media, medicine and academia etc.) the risks of elevating such a underclasses through debtor socialism as welfare threatens the success of the U.S. as a high tech nation by disenfranchising whites in our own homeland.
    If I couldn’t say those two things then I couldn’t argue against the predominance of leftist politics inspired by 2% of our country’s population, using the sock puppet cutouts of 40% of it’s least capable ‘oppressed classes’ as their cat’s paw method of derailing white culture.
    Which I know for a fact -is also- genocidal.
    In 1950, we were 27% of the planetary population.
    In 2010, we were 16% of that global total.
    In 2060, we will be 9.8% of that population.
    In 2100, we will be 4%. Or nothing.
    We can only say the uncomfortable, necessary, things if we know for a fact that those things are mentionable -in relation to- other, similar, causative, or derivative topics. Such as the kind of nation that will derive from a low-IQ peoples becoming the dominant majority population. And the nature of who is encouraging this and indeed /has been/ doing so, from 1965.
    And because of this, we must not let Eskimos dictate their fear of being revealed as total frauds into policies of ‘unmentionable topics’.
    Rosenbaum indeed.

  • tlk244182

    Seeing the Holocaust factually, in context, reduces its effectiveness as a psychological and political weapon to protect and increase Jewish power. Obviously, Jews dont want that power reduced, hence the push to criminalize skepticism. Also, since the facts of the Holocaust have already been fudged somewhat to produce maximum sympathy and guilt among Gentiles, any unrestricted investigation is potentially embarrassing to Jews, since it would uncover these little fibs and obfuscations, and would likely produce an anti-Semitic reaction in the rank-and-file Gentile schmuck (like me, for example) when he finds out he’s been lied to all his life, and made a Zionist patsy (See K. MacDonald’s ‘Culture of Critique.’ and I. Vinson’s ‘Some Thoughts on Hitler and Other Essays.’)

    • stewball

      I’m sorry you feel like a gentile schmuck. Does the cap fit?

  • bilderbuster

    American’s have the freedom of assembly & the right to say what we want!
    Illegals have no rights to gather unless it’s to go home.

  • nicholasi

    JEWIDIOCRACY:

    One man performed the quenelle at three locales. The French police are now searching for this individual. (Wikipedia)

  • nicholasi

    Rosenbaum is one of the K___s whom Jared Taylor calls “good Whites”

  • nicholasi

    Daily Beast = Jewly K___

  • nicholasi

    ” Left out of the discussion is the other enemy of WW2: Imperial Japan.” — Not my enemy. Banzai!

  • nicholasi

    “My Dad was a veteran of the Battle of the Atlantic and the Salerno Landing. ” — how tragic for you to have a tool of The K*** in your family tree.

    • My wife’s great-grandfather died opposing the Leyte landings in 1944; he sank a US escort carrier. Was he a “tool” of your K***s as well?

      I would be completely ashamed of myself if I had written what you apparently just have.

      • nicholasi

        Your “argument” about your alleged wife’s alleged ancestor is stupid and irrelevant to the fact (according to you) that your alleged ancestor was a whore for The K!ke.

  • John R

    So, limit “hate speech” because of the “emotional harm” it may cause? Would that include a certain black minister I saw on YouTube who said “we must exterminate white people from the face of the earth to get rid of this problem”? Or, the New Black Panther leader who said “You have to kill some crackers; you have to kill some of their babies”? Are these people going to be arrested for “hate speech” any time soon?

  • Randall Ward

    If they want to outlaw something, outlaw Jews in the media. Free speech is already outlawed in the liberal media; try posting something conservative on Huffington Post. Try posting something anti Israel on the WSJ. It is high time to recognize how much the Jews control the media to suit themselves and their causes. It is high time to recognize Israel for what it is; a Fascist country that in some ways is as bad as the Soviet Union was. A poll taken in Israel recently showed that Israeli people preferred a “strong Leader” over democracy. Israel is no longer a democracy.
    All this is Israels business, but it becomes our business when Jews in the US get the US to fight wars for Israel. This has been going on since the end of WWII and there should be an end to it now that Israel has the strongest military in the Middle East.

  • Randall Ward

    No one gave us the right to free speech, we were born with it as human beings. The state gives no rights, it only takes them away at the barrel of a gun.

    • Bon, From the Land of Babble

      Correct. The Founding Fathers saw correctly that such things are “natural” rights not granted by man but endowed by God, and the Bill of Rights and Constitution were written to PROTECT those rights precisely from tyrants like Thane Rosenblum.

  • Joe blow

    Hold on to that First Amendment, and hold on to your Second Amendment right to keep and bear the guns to defend it.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Nothing has done more harm to the German reputation than nazism. The Germans will never live down their atrocious conduct during the Hitler years. Why some germans or those the german nazis deemed inferior (i.e., certain non-aryan whites) think otherwise is beyond comprehension.

  • I was once an orc-person, but got better.

  • jackryanvb

    Agreed. Still he’s one spoiled, lazy law professor threatening to take away White 1st Amendment rights, plus he celebrates hard core porn as a great free speech victory and he’s wildly pro Israel. The guy might as well be sent from central casting as the bad guy, atheist, pevert antiwhite Zionist Jew, plus he’s got a cushy job as a law professor at a nominally Catholic University.

    This guy needs to be slapped down, and I think decent Jewish Americans should be the ones to do the job.

    Don’t kill him, just… Slap this punk down.

  • SoulInvictus

    This brings to mind a few questions I’ve been waiting for an appropriate place to pose. I’ll preface this with saying I’m not trying to go into tinfoil hat conspiracy territory… but when people in other parts of the world are already jailed and fined for saying the exact things said here…

    A. How long do you think it will be before sites like this are shut down?
    (Honestly, I think within five years given the climate of things. As indicated by this article, efforts are ramping up.)
    B. How many posters/readers do you think are Cointelpro type Feds?
    (I’ve already seen one that was pretty blatant as he was talking about explosives and weapons and seemed to be fishing for domestic terrorist types.)
    C. Given what we know about the NSA and their capabilities, are you concerned that your IP is likely being logged and stored in a database for later use?
    (I think it’s safe to assume it is.)

    I think it’s humorous that people think a certain group doesn’t have a signifigant degree of control, when the mere mention of them or their history in a negative light, can land you in prison. Really, what evidence would someone need beyond that…

  • Magician

    Kinda off topic but, those “generic white” Disney princesses sure did very well in the box office and made ridiculous amounts of profit!!

    Princess Merida from “Brave” – $185 million to make, $539m revenue
    Princess Rapunzel from “Tangled” – $260m to make, $592m revenue
    Princess Elsa from “Frozen” – $150m to make, $864m revenue

    Princess Merida – Irish
    Princess Rapunzel – German
    Princess Elsa – Norwegian ( or Danish? )

    The black princess in “Princess and the Frog”, still made pure profit of over $150m
    $105m to make, $267m revenue

  • jackryanvb

    Ukrainians went with a germany in World War II . No nation suffered worse under the Bolsheviks than Ukraine. Read up on the Holdomor -Soviet collectivization of private farmland in Ukraine. Very similar to what Mugabe Black Marxists did in Zimbabwe – as Rhodesia was the breadbasket of Southern Africa, Ukraine was the breadbasket of Eastern Europe.

  • jackryanvb

    The comments have strayed just a bit in to subjects not generally allowed on Amren. Amren has high standards. Most of America does not.

    This CINO (Catholic in Name Only – I made that up) Fordham law professor is a real jerk. But he’s just one guy. It’s not like we just have a few enemies or a few groups not on our side. Who is on our side? Not this new Catholic Pope! Not the name changing new mayor of New York City – he with the Black former lesbian wife and mixed race children with Afros. Certainly not White traitor of the year Sen. RAND Paul.

    What kind of mass media do we have on our side? Well, Fox sort of, Australian Murdoch is getting old, want to bet his inheriting relatives are going to sell us out?

    As Elrod King of the Elves tells Gandolf the Grey on learning of Sauramon’s betrayal:

    “Our list of allies grows thin”.

    • Calufrax

      Somehow I don’t think he’s Catholic. Just a hunch….
      And that’s “Elrond”, “Gandalf”, and “Saruman”.

      • jackryanvb

        Thanks, afraid my spelling skills in ancient Elvish languages is deteriorating.

  • stewball

    Now you’re being ridiculous.

  • scutum

    Thane Rosenbaum? Need I say more?

  • jackryanvb

    I think it’s perfectly fine to speak out against this jerk CINO Fordham law professor who champions the rights of the worst hardcore porn producers but also wants to criminalize the speech of evil RACISTS (ie anyone the Marxist Left doesn’t like). Bit don’t think Mods should allow comments rehashing World War II, holocaust revisionism. There are other places on the Internet for that.

    Amren is mainstream White American, Uptown, good manners, doesn’t fal down in to Jew hating. It’s fine to oppose this one jerk, but that’s not the same as falling down in to the worst anti Semitism.

  • stewball

    Clowns scare me.

  • Tacitus1

    The anti-Nazi of today will become the Nazi of tomorrow by attacking free speech.

  • WR_the_realist

    The problem with those polls is that the pollsters can generally get the answers they want by how they word the questions and which options they allow. For example, if you envision mass deportations of 15 million illegal immigrants, that would hopelessly clog the courts and just wouldn’t work. So if people see that as the only alternative to a “pathway to citizenship” they’ll take the pathway to citizenship. But how about just mandating E-verify and getting stricter about not allowing illegal immigrants to get public benefits? In that case most of the illegals would go home of their own accord, unable to gets jobs or handouts.

    • JohnEngelman

      Pew Research is a credible polling agency without a political agenda.

      Clever politicians do not bother with polling agencies that ask leading questions. Their careers depend in learning what most Americans really want.

      • WR_the_realist

        The Pew Research poll did not give the alternative that I described.

  • stewball

    @FRANCOIS.

    YES.

  • Truth Teller

    Rosenbaum, the name says it all

  • Truth Teller

    I read that “forgery” before the internet. I had to go to the locked section of a major university library and show my dr license and a piece of mail with current address. The 4th protocol was: ” We shall see to it my brothers, that they (the enemy) appointment only the unfit and incompetent to government positions and thus undermine their capacity to resist.”
    That protocol was implemented in the early 1970’s by the supreme court in Kaiser vs Weber and Griggs vs Duke Power. A few years later I sat down at the computers in the federal courthouse and made a list of more than 800 attorneys on the anti White side of the affirmative action lawsuits. 720 had obviously Jewish names.
    The rest of the “forgery” was more plans to destroy any society.

  • Truth Teller

    Michael Scott
    My parents never thought there would be ferociously enforced laws mandating that only the dumbest and least qualified be admitted to college and given jobs. The tribes anti free speech laws are already facto. Look at Paula Deen. She used the n word 30 hears ago to refer to a OFE who held a gun to her head during a bank robbery and her career was destroyed. Do you have any idea how anti White the law schools have been for the last 100 years? The law students are brain washed and then go on to become the attorneys who file the anti white lawsuits such as school busing and no discipline for savage blacks and the Judges who rule against Whites.
    Our laws are no longer made by the elected legislative branch. More and more they are made by life long tenure appointed by anti White anti American elite Judges.
    If a law is passed and the liberals don’t like it they file a lawsuit and the Judges rule against the law and the law is no more. Liberals want a law that has no hope of passing through legislative means ? They file a lawsuit and the Judges make up a new law.
    The founding Fathers intended it this way. Like their soul mates in the French revolution they used a lot of democracy propaganda to get rid of the English. But with judicial review of laws and judges able to make law they saw to it that us unwashed hordes of frontiersmen who won the war for them would never rule America through elected legislatures.
    As soon as possible the founders established judicial supremacy over the elected presidency; Marbury vs Madison, 1804. It wasn’t too bad until the 1950’s, but since them the judges have ruled. Have ruled against Whites actually.
    I’ve gathered you are a 2nd amendment supporter. Good for you, but you need to realize that the only reason the 2nd amendment will survive is because of the NRA and other gun rights groups. There is no such group for the 14th amendment applied to Whites. There are no such groups protecting free speech or other parts of the constitution.
    OFE obsolete farm equipment

  • Truth Teller

    A Netflix series I recommend is “House of Cards” Kevin Spacey is a conniving congressman, the majority whip. Usually movie political villains are Christian conservative Republicans but here the Spacey character is a Democrat atheist.
    A last word on the constitution. The constitution is only what the Judges say it is. Ever heard of Louisiana slaughter house? The supreme court decreed that the state of Louisiana had no right to pass a law that slaughter houses could not dump blood, manure, guts, bones and other slaughterhouse waste into streams rivers. So the Mississippi, the bayous and waterways of Louisiana were contaminated by slaughter house waste for another 70 years. In some ways I think that was the worst court ruling, in some was even worse than the school busing rulings. The busing rulings had a reasonable justification, improvement of the academic performance of the OFE spawn. But there was no justification for Louisiana slaughter house except for the bribes the judges probably accepted from the slaughter house owners.
    OFE obsolete farm equipment

  • Truth Teller

    The best book about the holocaust is by Arthur Butz. The title is something like Hoax of the 20th century. I have read the book. Butz is an engineering professor a Northwestern University He had no opinion either way about the holocaust until he went to Poland as a tourist about 1970. He took the tour of Auschwitz and realized that from an engineering and scientific standpoint the gassings and cremations just could not have happened.
    The book has been banned in many pubic libraries but is available in most university libraries. It might be on amazon, Anyone who wants to know engineering and scientific facts about whether the holocaust happened as the Zionist propagandists say it did should read the book.

    • Pelagian

      Even if the book is a bunch of baloney, the idea of taking a topic of recent history and banning books about it from the library is so risable as to be completely suspicious. Don’t the non-Eskimos see that? Books that were banned in the old days were books that a) were commonly accepted everywhere and at all times, back to time immemorial, to be false and b) which might cause a complete breakdown in the public order if they were to be believed. But if Butz is right, or even a smidgen right, what’s the big fallout? The censors need to define that intelligibly.

  • Truth Teller

    Not only did WW2 Germans paly soccer with Jewish babies, but during WW1 they did not just rape every nun in Belgium. After the rapes they kept the nuns in concentration camps and 9 months later when the babies conceived by the rapes were born they used the babies for bayonet practice.

  • Truth Teller

    David Ashton
    I live in a Jewish neighborhood, read several Jewish periodicals and see the posters and announcements of Jewish events. Los Angeles Jews have no problem with muslim immigration. There are constant meetings and inter faith dialogues with muslims. Los Angeles Jews are still in love with their myth that medieval Spain was a paradise of united jew muslim superiority over the native Christians.

    • jackryanvb

      I instinctually know this to be true as I’ve seen this in so many places, like the 30 something Jewish American editor at the Atlantic Magazine who volunteered for military duty in Israel, actually supervised Arab Muslims in POW/prisons in Israel, he bonds with the Arab Muslims and uses his connections in academia in the United States Northeast to get the Arab Muslim POWs in Israel accepted as students in NorthEast American Universities.

      It generally takes immigrant Arab Muslims and other non White Muslim immigrants a little time to figure out the USA ‘s cultural Marxist PC victim con game that has them on the same side as Leftist Jews, gays, Lesbians, Mexicans and the post Vatican II Catholic Church that hates all things traditional White, traditional European, European American.

      These Muslim Immigrants are now being brainwashed to protest Vladimir Putin’s anti Gay, Anti Muslim, Anti Jewish policies.

      Go figure.

  • stewball

    Yes.

  • Screamin_Ruffed_Grouse

    “Pain has a shared circuitry in the human brain, and it makes no distinction between being hit in the face and losing face (or having a broken heart)…”

    I’ve been on the receiving end of each of those scenarios more than once. Trust me, there’s a distinction.

    • Jim

      Warning, young lovers: It will soon be a crime to break someone’s heart.

  • Jim

    Folks, step back for a moment. Have you read the overwhelmingly negative comments about this article over at the Daily Beast? Very few of them appear to be from the paleo-Right or from white advocates. They’re from all over the political spectrum.

    In light of this, I wish they could have a thousand articles like Rosenbaum’s posted at TDB. He’s only saying openly what most Leftists are thinking. Let them expose themselves. It can do nothing but harm them.

  • Jack Burton

    He was one of the greatest men to ever live, and without question the greatest racialist leader to ever live.

  • Fr. John+

    Let’s see… with a name like ROSENBAUM, can ANYONE say he’s already not BIASED???!?!

    I agree with the French. Give ’em the quenelle, then a passport OUT. Just like every nation in Europe did, in the Middle Ages. And like Ferdinand and Isabella did in 1492.

  • stewball

    They are leaches. Sucking the life’s blood from the country. Ignorant and should not expect handouts that my taxes go towards. They behave like rabble. I’m sure the God they believe in looks down in disgust at what they have done to his name. These people are what’s turning us away from the religion. Go to the bloody army. If king David could fight what’s so precious about these cowboys.

  • KimCraigNeeDay

    everyone needs to go back to their own particular corner of the world, take care of their own, and live their lives. Multiculturalism, constant war, attempts at cultural and political domination of disparate nations, global economy, etc have been perpetrated by violent, arrogant, ignorant men who need to stfu, sit the hell down, mind their own business, and pay attention to their own back yards. If they can’t, is it too late to have their mamas beat the holy living shite out of them? I vote “no!” Bring your baddest belts, mamas!

  • While I do NOT agree with Neo-Nazis, and I even told people to block trolls (https://www.pinterest.com/pin/420171840210500039/ for instance) I do NOT want government enforced censorship. I think (though I don’t have evidence at the moment) Jesse Ventura also said something about how he views freedom as being a double edged sword (the freedom to be stupid). If you don’t think that laws can be abused for political gain, look up the lies made by the Southern Poverty Law Center. Without letting people speak, smart and stupid alike, we may not be a free nation today. Let me elaborate.

    What if the laws you want do come in, & there’s success in cleaning out the hogwash idiots have puked. But what if the law gets interpreted to cover things such as disagreeing with certain groups and/or institutions, like say, the Israeli government (because a lot of their politicians are Jewish and Neo-Nazis also disagree with the Israeli government and may use it to accuse all Jews of crimes they had little to nothing to do with)? And then the laws could expand to also cover political &/or religious dissidents.

    As crazy as all of this may seem, it has happened in history and will repeat unless we learn from our errors and change. To partially understand this, go watch 2 videos called “America, Flirting with the Dark Side of History” & “Economic Collapse & The Rise of Fascist & Racist Elements”. While the examples shown in the videos can be labeled to be “extreme” it does show a quick glance of how quickly the thought police can grow once placed in power. Sorry for the logn comment. “Oh please! That’s ridiculous! But don’t free people have the right to be ridiculous?” – John Stossel on raw milk, from his “Illegal everything” episode. “The moment you declare a set of ideas to be immune from criticism, satire, or contempt, freedom of thought becomes impossible.” – From controversial author (who I’m not even a fan of), Salman Rushdie.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UQYlziIVBKY&list=PLkYQwSCzfVRGFvJAusObryN_3-tm-Okg4&index=37

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ir0rnMNNJ0&index=15&list=PLkYQwSCzfVREqNGN81m5LsysTVIGDcwS1