Germany Grapples with Rush of Immigrants from Bulgaria, Romania

Japan Times, January 5, 2014

Germany, Europe’s top economy, is grappling with how to handle immigration from poor EU members Romania and Bulgaria now that their citizens can seek work anywhere within the bloc.

Restrictions that barred residents from the European Union’s two poorest states looking for jobs in some of its wealthiest members expired Wednesday, sparking fears by some of mass invasion and so-called benefits tourism.

Britain, where hundreds of thousands of immigrants have settled since the European Union first expanded into Eastern Europe in 2004, in December rushed through legislation restricting EU migrants from claiming unemployment handouts.

Germany, the continent’s economic powerhouse, where the minimum wage is about five times what it is in Romania and Bulgaria, is now also considering what steps to take.

Days before the government of conservative Chancellor Angela Merkel is due to examine possible measures to make benefits abuse more difficult, Vice Chancellor Sigmar Gabriel called for a debate on the issue.

“I think it’s not necessary to exaggerate this issue. But it shouldn’t be minimized either,” he said in an interview with Bild newspaper Saturday.

Gabriel and Merkel agreed in talks held Friday on the need for tougher measures against those abusing the country’s generous welfare system.

“We don’t need all-out discrimination of the Bulgarians and Romanians, but neither should we ignore the problems some big German cities face with the immigration of poor people,” Gabriel said.

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Like Britain, prosperous Germany also presents a strong lure to Romanian and Bulgarian migrants. The minimum wage for a 19-year-old there is the equivalent of $1,140 per month, compared with $232 in Romania and $208 in Bulgaria, according to the World Bank’s 2014 economic profiles of the countries.

In addition, the country has a generous welfare system, in which any family with children legally residing in the country has a right to ask for state benefits.

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  • D.B. Cooper

    Hey Germans! At least they aint black, right?

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Just about as bad.

  • Daniel Schmuhl

    How many of these are Romani?

    • anew

      If the answer is more than one, then the answer is too many.

    • Spartacus

      Gypsies…. Rroma(that’s how it’s spelled) is an artificial name for gypsies, implemented by our first prime minister after the revolution, who was not an Eskimo.

      • Daniel Schmuhl

        So is it a euphemism then? I think Roma refers specifically to those in the Balkans. I call em gypsies sometimes and other times Roma or Romani. I don’t ever come into contact with them where i live, but what i’ve read and seen on documentaries about them was pretty bad. According to J.P. Rushton their IQ is about 70 (sub-Saharan African level).

        • Spartacus

          It’s not a euphemism, it’s supposedly because “gypsy” is a “discriminatory” name…

          About their IQ, well… They have a lower literacy rate than many African countries, that should tell you what you need to know.

      • IstvanIN

        Which revolution, the one that overthrew King Michael or the one that overthrew Ceaușesc?

        • Spartacus

          The one that overthrew Ceausescu…

      • Anna Tree

        I know that Gypsy is for Egyptians (similarly in French Gitan or Tzigane), because Europeans thoughts the gypsies were/look Egyptians, but I always thought that Rom was how they call themselves (in French Romanichel), in their own indian language.

        Who is this prime minister? And do you have some support to your claim? Thanks.

        • Spartacus

          Will this do ?

          • Anna Tree

            He is of Jewish origin it is written, okay, but you said if I understand correctly that he implemented an artificial name for gypsies, but I find that rom is actually how gypsies call themselves in their own indian language.

          • Spartacus

            Petre Neulander started the initiative in 1990, supported by the
            Sörös foundation to change the name of this breed of vermin at a European level, and finished the job in 2000, when he was Minister of Foreign Affairs. I can’t find anything in English about it, but here’s an article in Romanian, along with a text copy of the memorandum he wrote in 2000:

            http://roncea(DOT)ro/2010/02/23/cum-au-devenit-romanii-romi-memorandumul-prin-care-petre-roman-a-oficializat-rom-anizarea-tiganilor/

            You can try your luck with Google translate, or you can wait until I find something in English .

          • Anna Tree

            I believe you that he started the initiative to call them Rromas in Romania, but it was done all over Europe by I presume politicians of different religions or non-religion, and it was done because the gypsies asked for it at their Union romani internationale (IRU), during their world congress in London from April 8 to 12 1971.

          • Spartacus

            That’s when they asked for it, but it didn’t happen until Roman convinced the European Comission to issue a recomandation on changing the name in 1990 . That was when the name was officially changed .

          • Anna Tree

            Yep. But I don’t mind calling them Gypsies or Roms, I mind more about the things they do, or don’t…

            I just wanted to say that there are enough bad things Jews have done, to add more. The same I say about liberals, Muslims, Christians, communists or anyone.

            Thanks for the chat Spartacus!

          • ShermanTMcCoy

            I go with the title of Cher’s song: “Gypsies, Tramps and Thieves.”

  • Romulus

    As Mr. spartacus always points out ( to his credit) the Romanians and roma are not the same.

    • skara_brae

      Nonetheless all Romanians should bloody well stay in Romania. Since New Year’s Day they have flooded into England.

      • Romulus

        Yes, all peoples should have the right of self determination in their own homeland.
        Blessed be the Anglo/Gaelic brits! Thank you for creating America, my cherished heart.
        One day,the people will remember.

  • D.B. Cooper

    I’m guessing the big fuss is because these Bulgarian and Romanian immigrants look nothing like Miss Bulgaria, 20 year old Nansi Karaboycheva; and Miss Romania, 26 year old Oana Andrei?

    • The second one looks a little “dark.”

      • Spartacus

        Nah, she just has a tan. Lots of people get fake tans here in Romania, they think it makes them look good… You can check out other pictures of her, she’s just fine :

        • It was also the flattish nose and kinky hair, but I guess she looks pretty White there.

          • Spartacus

            Her nose looks pretty much like what you’d see in most places in Europe. South of Scandinavia and the British isles, noses are flatter, on average .

  • ftex

    Diversity will be their strength.

  • bigone4u

    The German racial identity was forged over thousands of years and should not be trifled with. Germany has no need for immigrants, unless they be German-Americans who want to leave the third-world country that is now America, which is rapidly eating its stock of capital built up when it was a first-world country. If Germany wants to join the US on the scrap heap of history, then allow unlimited immigration of non-Germans.

    • Pro_Whitey

      The Krauts have already done a lot of damage to themselves by letting in Turks. I hope that the Germans, as I hope for Americans, get their heads out of their read ends, close the borders, and expel a lot of the refuse they currently have.

  • Spartacus

    You know non-whites, primarily Turks, have nearly weekly riots in Germany. Somehow, this never makes any news… This is what comes up if you google “immigrant riots in Germany”:

  • Alexandra1973

    My understanding is that among Whites, Germans have the highest intelligence and Slavics…well, pretty much at the bottom.

    I say this as someone who’s half Polish/Russian. I also have German ancestry.

    With that being said, Germany should have the right to say who gets to come in, and who gets the boot.

    I also wonder what the Roma population is in Romania and Bulgaria.

    • AutomaticSlim

      “With that being said, Germany should have the right to say who gets to come in, and who gets the boot.”

      The people of ANY supposedly democratic country should have that right.
      Here in the U.S., this decision was made in 1965 by congress, pushed by Emanuel Cellar with a lot of help from Ted Kennedy. The people of the US were never consulted on this issue.

      • MBlanc46

        We’re never consulted on any issue. Our “representatives” decide everything for us.

        • AutomaticSlim

          Yes, but the “acts” of the 60’s, including 65 immigration, were especially egregious as the “representatives” did not campaign on these issues. They merely caved in to left wing pressure, a sort of mob mentality amongst politicians.

    • Daniel Schmuhl

      Not an expert on this but here is my two cents. Not all Eastern Europeans are Slavic. it is true that some Slavic countries score lower on IQ tests but the exact reason why isn’t established. The Irish and other non-Slavic groups also score lower on IQ tests. In the US some Slavic populations score higher than German, Dutch etc on IQ tests unlike in Europe.

      • IstvanIN

        Who cares? I love all the inventions that have come from the minds of Germans and Scots. I am smart enough to not be jealous and to enjoy the life my betters have allowed me to live.

        • Guest

          As a German/Scot I gratefully accept your kind words. I will reciprocate by pointing out the remarkable beauty of Ukrainian and Russian women, as anyone who watches women’s tennis can attest to.

          • IstvanIN

            The Hungarians are pretty cute, too!

  • MBlanc46

    The EU went seriously off the rails at least twenty years ago (the Maastrict Treaty, especially). I suppose that European capitalists, like capitalists everywhere, salivated at the prospect of all that cheap labor, but this latest immigration crisis just might be the straw that breaks the camel’s back.

    • Max Krakah

      I hope so, or the candle that lights the tannenbaum on fire

    • Anna Tree

      The EU was never on rails. It is a travesty of justice, of democracy, of Europe. It was bound to fail and it created or strenghtened the problems facing Europe today.

      • MBlanc46

        As a customs union and free trade zone including Germany, France, Italy (okay, a bit dodgy but one of the cornerstones of Western civilization), and the Benelux countries, it made perfect sense. When it started going all one nationy and then let in all the basket-case countries, it started going off the rails.

        • Anna Tree

          I do agree it looked innocent at the start, but it could grow only to a monster: the EU members are not elected directly and the countries with the most members force smaller countries to do what they want: people loose their voice and countries their sovereignty. EU is a bureaucrat dictatorship, precursor of globalization and one world system. I think Europe didn’t and doesn’t need EU.

          • MBlanc46

            I don’t think that it was inevitable that the EU evolved from a trade bloc to a superstate. Nor is it inevitable that it keep growing like a cancer. The rejection of the proposed constitution by several countries was a shot across the bow of the Brussels bureaucracy. The crisis of the euro has probably put further economic centralization on the back burner for a bit. And if the British make serious noise about pulling out, it could lead to some real decentralization.

  • dd121

    That’s gotta be a whole lot better than what’s coming from Africa and Turkey.

    • ShermanTMcCoy

      Not much.

  • Massif1

    Came back from Germany two weeks ago – this was my first visit since 2011. I was shocked at how many Africans I saw. The new wave of 3rd world bodies is now enjoying the good life in Western Europe.

  • arthurenglish

    Gypsies originate from the Indus Valley (Pakistan). They were wrongly thought to have come from Egypt when they first entered Western Europe hence the ‘Gyp’.

  • ShermanTMcCoy

    I suppose Spartacus just pulled those links out of his Arsch? Or perhaps you live everywhere at once? Nice to know that you are out there, “God.”

  • Guest

    Absorbing backward immigrants into the workforce will be destructive to western nations, such as Germany, but the real death blow will come later. When a country can no longer educate its children because its school system is totally disfunctional, that is the end of the country. Youtube documents some schools in Germany where learning and teaching is simply impossible due to the children of 3rd world immigrants. To make matters worse, many European countries regulate education and make home schooling illegal.