EU Migrants: David Cameron Sets out More Benefit Restrictions

Patrick Wintour, Guardian (London), November 27, 2013

David Cameron made a fresh effort to assuage public concern about a wave of migration from Bulgaria and Romania on Tuesday when he announced a series of benefit restrictions on all EU migrant workers, including a ban on access to housing benefit for all new arrivals and a three-month ban before jobseeker’s allowance can be claimed.

Saying he shared the deep concerns of many in Britain at the EU’s requirement to lift transitional controls on Romanians and Bulgarians in January, he blamed “monumental” mishandling of the issue by the previous Labour government.

The package of restrictions announced late Tuesday was backed by the Tories’ coalition partners, the Liberal Democrats, as sensible and reasonable.

The lifting in January of transitional controls on Bulgarians and Romanians entering the UK has prompted anxiety about the numbers likely to come and opinion polls showing that most Britons want migrants from the two countries barred from working.

In the package, Cameron announced:

• No newly arrived EU jobseekers will be able to claim housing benefit.

• No EU migrant will be entitled to out-of-work benefits for the first three months. In line with a previous announcement, no EU migrant from January will be able to claim jobseeker’s allowance (JSA) for more than a maximum of six months unless they can prove that they have a genuine prospect of employment.

• A new minimum earnings threshold will be introduced before benefits such as income support can be claimed.

• Any EU national sleeping rough or begging will be deported and barred from re-entry for 12 months “unless they can prove they have a proper reason to be here, such as a job”.

He also announced a fourfold increase in the fine for employers failing to pay the minimum wage, to £20,000, although critics have claimed the problem lies in lack of enforcement rather than the level of the fine.

The package comes on top of proposals in the immigration bill to require EU migrants to pay for the use of the NHS.

The issue of free movement of workers in the EU, a cardinal principle of the European Union’s single market, is likely to dominate the European parliament elections in the summer.

Downing Street is confident that its own package of restrictions announced Tuesday does not fall foul of EU law, a view supported by the pro-European Nick Clegg. The deputy prime minister said: “These are sensible and reasonable reforms to ensure that the right to work does not automatically mean the right to claim. Other countries in the EU already have similar policies and are considering the case for going further. Unfettered access to benefits across member states simply does not exist.”

Some Tory MPs are unlikely be satisfied with the package. A group of 40 Tory backbenchers are already calling for the immigration bill, currently in the Commons, to be toughened up so that the existing transitional controls on Romanians and Bulgarians are retained until 2018, a move that would put the UK at loggerheads with the European Union.

Cameron also called for a wider settlement on the free movement of workers, an issue that is bound to feature in any Conservative renegotiation of British EU membership.

In an article for the Financial Times, Cameron writes: “We need to face the fact that free movement has become a trigger for vast population movements caused by huge disparities in income. That is extracting talent out of countries that need to retain their best people and placing pressure on communities.

“It is time for a new settlement which recognises that free movement is a central principle of the EU, but it cannot be a completely unqualified one.

“We are not the only country to see free movement as a qualified right: interior ministers from Austria, Germany and the Netherlands have also said this to the commission.”

He also condemned Labour’s “monumental mistake” in failing to control immigration from Eastern Europe as he spelled out new measures to stop EU citizens coming here to live off benefits.

He said it had been a catastrophic failure on Labour’s part not to impose transitional controls on new EU members in 2004, a failure that had led to a surge in immigration, with one million people from central and Eastern Europe now living in the UK. Yvette Cooper, the shadow home secretary acknowledged at the weekend that Labour had allowed immigration to grow too far and too fast.

Cameron writes: “In 2004, the Labour government made the decision that the UK should opt out completely of transitional controls on the new EU member states. They had the right to impose a seven-year ban before new citizens could come and work here, but–almost alone in Europe—Labour refused it. That was a monumental mistake,” he said.

The PM said Labour made matters worse by failing to learn any lessons when Romania and Bulgaria joined the EU in 2007.

“That was the moment to address difficult questions about when to allow new entrants full access to each others’ labour markets – but the Labour government ducked these questions. That is why this government extended transitional controls on Bulgaria and Romania from five to the maximum seven years,” he said.

Cameron also said he would like to like the EU to tackle long term how it prevented “fresh surges of immigration in future when countries join the EU”. The big concern is Turkey.

He said: “One would be to require a new country to reach a certain share of average EU GDP per head before full free movement was allowed. Individual member states could be freed to impose a cap if their inflow from the EU reached a certain number in a single year,” he said.

The number of EU migrants claiming jobseekers allowance in February 2013 was estimated at 60 100, according to government statistics.

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  • Jefferson

    Do Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants in the U.K commit violent crimes at a higher rate than Obama’s sons ?

    Somehow, I doubt that very much. Romanians and Bulgarians are the least of the U.K’s problems when it comes to vibrant diversity getting violently out of control.

    • frederickdixon

      The crime problem is a gypsy problem. Ordinary Romanians and Bulgarians are no more prone to crime than any other white population; they may bring the problems which arise from overcrowding of an already crowded island, dilution of national identity, competition for housing, jobs, school places, hospital beds etc., but crime? No, not much.
      Gypsies on the other hand are altogether different; they live by pickpocketing, theft, fraud, begging, prostitution, bogus marriages, people trafficking and selling their own children – most of it illegal, all of it undesirable. Gypsies don’t change, even those who have been in England since Tudor times and no longer look very distinctive (thanks to centuries of absorbing all sorts of waifs and strays) still live on the margins, are still believed to be responsible for most rural crime. And our wonderful government has rendered itself incapable of preventing the entire gypsy population of the Balkans (guesstimated at fifteen millions) removing themselves to Britain!

      • Spartacus

        Dunno where you got the fifteen million number, there’s like 10-12 million of them on the entire European continent.

        • frederickdixon

          It’s a figure I’ve seen, but by the very nature of gypsies a guesstimate is the best that anybody has been able to arrive at.

        • joesolargenius

          All polls including the census are biased in order to produce the desired results , such as America only having eleven million illegals living here. I have been all over this country multiple times and I can assure you that in every small town I went through has it’s fair share , or as the old saying goes there is one behind every bush.
          I and many other older well traveled Americans have put the number at twenty five to thirty million illegals. Every Chinese or foreign owned restaurant employs at least a dozen or more and there are virtually no Americans doing non union construction anymore except in remodeling.

      • Anna Tree

        Gypsies are distinctive: they still look Indians, although you are right a bit lighter due to many kidnapping of white children. (The white blue eyed little girl who made the news some weeks ago, suffered from a kind of albinism.)
        I think you are maybe confusing with a group called the Irish travellers, those are sometimes called gypsies too but are not gypsies/romas/manouches. They are of Irish descendants.

        • frederickdixon

          Once upon a time I had quite a lot to do with both English gypsies and Irish tinkers, as they both resorted to the area where I worked and part of my job was to remove them. The tinkers are of native Irish descent and are, in effect, hereditary tramps – physically they are a coarse Irish type and English people often mistake them for working class Irish, a mistake which no Irish person would make! English gypsies are different in appearance and I agree that English country dwellers can usually tell a gypsy, but their appearance is rarely distinctive enough to be certain if you see them away from their usual context. I disagree that they still look Indian.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            In Romania Gypsies look more similar to Indians.

            Probably in Britain they mixed more with the Irish Travellers.

            But look what I have found in Edward Bulwer-Lytton’s novel “The Disowned” (1929):

            “Relieved from his former fear, but with increased curiosity at this quotation, which was half said, half sung, in a tone which seemed to evince a hearty relish for the sense of the words, the youth replied,—

            “Truly, I did not expect to meet among the travellers of this wild country with so well-stored a memory. And, indeed, I should have imagined that the only persons to whom your verses could exactly have applied were those honourable vagrants from the Nile whom in vulgar language we term gypsies.”

            “Precisely so, sir,” answered the tall stranger, indifferently; “precisely so. It is to that ancient body that I belong.”

            “The devil you do!” quoth the youth, in unsophisticated surprise; “the progress of education is indeed astonishing!”
            [Lol]

            “Why,” answered the stranger, laughing, “to tell you the truth, sir, I am a gypsy by inclination, not birth. The illustrious Bamfylde Moore Carew is not the only example of one of gentle blood and honourable education whom the fleshpots of Egypt have seduced.”

            ————————————————————————————-

            What say you to passing a night with us? our tents are yet more at hand than the public-house of which I spoke to you.” The young man hesitated a moment, then replied,—

            “I will answer you frankly, my friend, even though I may find cause to repent my confidence. I have a few guineas about me, which, though not a large sum, are my all. Now, however ancient and honourable your fraternity may be, they labour under a sad confusion, I fear, in their ideas of meum and tuum.”
            [Lol]

            “Faith, sir, I believe you are right; and were you some years older, I think you would not have favoured me with the same disclosure you have done now; but you may be quite easy on that score. If you were made of gold, the rascals would not filch off the corner of your garment as long as you were under my protection. Does this assurance satisfy you?”
            ———————————————————————————–
            And after almost two hundred years have the things changed at all?

          • Jefferson

            Some Romanian Gypsies I have seen look very similar to south of the border Squat Monsters here in The United States.

            Meaning if some of these Romanian Gypsies were walking on the streets of Los Angeles for example, I would mistake them for a Mexican or a Central American.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            That is what Columbus probably thought himself when he believed that he reached India when he saw the locals.

          • Katherine McChesney

            I knew two Romanian Gypsies for a short time in Santa Monica. They lived in Downey and in the San Fernando Valley. A group of them came to SM for their usual activity…pickpocketing on Friday and Saturday nights on 3rd Street Promenade.

          • Anna Tree

            Well I have seen gypsies in many European countries where I lived or traveled. Even in South Italy where the Italians have darker skin, it is easy to spot the gypsies, and not only because they were begging and because of their tramps clothes: Gypsies in general are definitively not European in appearance. In my opinion they look Indians. Actually the etymology of the word gypsy is egyptian. They indeed could seem Egyptians or Palestinians. Some have lighter skins and eye color, but most not.

    • stewball

      The Romanians who came here to find work to send money home were a load of drunkards.

  • Greg Thomas

    But no word on any immigration restrictions.

  • sbuffalonative

    Someone needs to ask Mr. Cameron point black, ‘How many immigrants will be enough?’

    The whole of England is about the landmass of a couple medium sized states.

    How many people can England support?

    I though Blair was bad but Cameron is even worse. Why?

  • Spartacus

    Leave it to this minglisch to be worried about Whites moving there, and not about blacks, arabs and bangladeshis…

    • Jesse James

      Yes all these golliwog chaps and sand whatzits are fine fellows but those dark eyed Bulgarians bear watching. You never know what those fellows are thinking. Beggars and thieves the whole lot of them.

    • Bossman

      I read somewhere that the further east that you travel in Europe and the world, the more nasty and brutish and unfriendly the people become. My own experience with East Europeans is that they are unfriendly and dumb-looking.

      • Spartacus

        Can’t blame them for being unfriendly to you, I’d do a lot worse than that.

        But if you don’t like eastern Europeans, then feel free to associate with some friendly and intelligent darkskins.

        • Bossman

          Hitler and the Nazis did not think much of the Eastern Europeans; that is why they were brutally and mercilessly attacked by the Nazis. The English word “slave” and the word “Slav” are related.

          • Spartacus

            If you’d bother learning history, you’d know that only Poland and Russia were attacked, and from the latter more than a million citizens joined the fight against communism on the German side. Everywhere else the Third Reich’s armies went, they were greeted as liberators, with cheers and flowers, like in Riga for example:

          • Bossman

            For all kinds of reasons, the Eastern Europeans were and are less advanced than West Europeans.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            Yes, let them have a bit of fun.
            However, you exaggerate. The Germans behaved atrociously with the Poles, Russians, Czechs, Greeks, etc.

          • Spartacus

            Well, it varied from country to country. Keep in mind though – the National Socialists were liberators in some countries, and opressors in some, but no one ever looked at the reds as saviors.

          • stewball

            Damn right sparky. Your country was communist wasn’t it?

          • stewball

            Did they have their heads shaven after the war for fraternisation?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            They are quite a looker though. That is why many single westerners fancy to marry a “Russian bride”, ordered by mail or not.
            Even in Israel the white Eastern European flesh is very much appreciated.

          • Bossman

            Yeah, those from the Ukraine are quite attractive. Ukraine is a very poor country, the young attractive women there would do anything (it seems) to get out from there. They go to Israel to become prostitutes.

          • stewball

            It’s the oldest profession and if they are unlearned and have no skills what is the alternative?

          • stewball

            It is?

        • Bossman

          Who is this person? A South Pacific islander?

          • Spartacus

            I think he’s Liberian, although I couldn’t say for sure. Doesn’t matter though, they’re all filth anyway .

          • stewball

            A Romanian!

        • stewball

          Hey sparky. Don’t get nasty just because you’re an East European.

      • Fak_Zakaix

        This was very much true 60 years ago. However, now from the eastern extremity of the EU whether one travels eastwards or westwards is the same thing.
        I my first trip to Britain years ago my first stop was Leicester. I got the feeling that I took the wrong flight, if you understand what I mean.

        • Bossman

          I know for a fact that the public toilet situation is far better in London than in Amsterdam. Someone who had traveled around the world said in a story on the internet that the farther east that you traveled the nastier the public toilets became.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            I have not travelled much so I cannot confirm with personal recollections. However, I agree on your assessment of Amsterdam where I have been. I was shocked to discover what a dirty place it is. Maybe it is a special case though because of its large city-centre red-light district and because of the then liberal policies on the consumption of marijuana.
            But if I am to compare Bavaria (Munich) with the places I have seen in Britain…Vienna, is dirty, true.

          • Bossman

            My impression of Amsterdam was that it was a very dirty place but the people were very friendly. Most of the prostitutes appeared to be not Dutch.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            I was there in 2003. It was a two day trip so I cannot say that I know Amsterdam well. However, my few encounters with the locals made me conclude that it had a low trust culture. Of course, it must have been a subjective impression. Things like not giving the correct change, not receiving the right product, approached by beggars, by drug dealers (charlie? charlie?). Many immigrants from their colonies, who didn’t look good at all. Jut to imagine how naïve I was then, I tried to visit the Anne Frank Museum but it was closed when I arrived…
            However, the most memorable thing was the red-light district, huge, non-stop, in the heart of the an indifferent city. What a sight!

          • joesolargenius

            So who did you pick as your date there ?

          • Fak_Zakaix

            It was difficult to chose though. More like an embarrassment of riches. Women of all ages, (yes, I have seen some in their 80s!), all races. I wanted to see all of them first. I wandered through the district well into the night seeing one more lane of window girls and another one… The next day my fellow travellers seeing me unslept probably though that I had a wild night… I spoiled the whole thing. I was left with the memories. Probably the place has not changed much, and neither the age of the girls, it is me who got older and wearier…

          • Bossman

            When you travel, it is best not to have sex.

          • Katherine McChesney

            I feel disgusted by your loose morals. You are the type of man who spreads sexual diseases.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            No, it is definitely not men like me. It is more probably the type of men that you fancy.

          • stewball

            I don’t understand what you being naive and wanting to go to the Anne Frank Museum and it being shut.

          • Fak_Zakaix

            You are new to this, isn’t it? By the negative affect that my comments induced in you I suspect that you are a Jew. I wonder if there are Blacks who read AmRen too.

            The Anne Frank journal was promoted in my country when I was a child. My mother who was (is) a bibliomaniac like me bought the book and read from it to me. Because in two days there is no much to be seen in Amsterdam, besides the red-light district, I thought a good idea to visit the museum and tell to my mother the impressions. (Un)fortunately I arrived too late.

            Then I was naïve like all youngsters. Now I have learned to stay away from anything Jewish (it is very difficult I must agree, as they are now present everywhere). Because now I understand why Schopenhauer called them “the great masters of lying”.

      • Jefferson

        You are just angry because none of the Eastern European women you have met are attracted to south of the border Mestizos like yourself. They all turned down your sexual advances.

  • Jesse James

    I wonder if Rumanians and Bulgarians actually work and have more skills and so are greater competition for working whites. Or maybe they are just a way for people and politicians to question the entire out of control UK immigration policy without seeming racist. They can hardly complain about all those wonderful Pakistanis, Arabs, Indians, Caribbean blacks and Africans can they? Much more PC to mutter about dark Romanians.

  • Extropico

    Perhaps someone knowledgeable in the UK can edify as to BNP’s Nick Griffin denying the accuracy of Cameron’s statements on the restrictions.

    • frederickdixon

      Google BNP and have a look at the website. There’s an article up today demonstrating that Cameron’s announcements are just window dressing.

  • David Ashton

    These welfare controls are too little and too late. Under EU guidelines Romania will be quite happy to unload its huge Gypsy population on England rather than trying to deport them to an eastern zone as once before.

    • Spartacus

      Well, you brits worked very hard to stop us , didn’t you ?

      • David Ashton

        I get the point of your picture, and have often said as much myself, although we now know that WSC himself opposed “coloured immigration” but found his Cabinet obstinate. Personally I agree with Oswald Mosley’s arguments against declaring war on Germany in 1939.

        For reasons explained on several other threads I do not have much time or inclination for largely futile “debate” on Amren, except to answer direct attacks of ALL kinds from any quarter on my English fellow-countrymen, especially “white” insults on here added to our “foreign” injuries.

        So, “Gadje Gadjensa” to them, and “Adio” to you.

        • jane johnson

          Who decides which countries may join the EU? And the corollary: why admit a country to the Union if its citizens are considered undesirable by established members? I’m really confused by this.

        • stewball

          David. Who was that politician in the 50/60’s with the eyebrows who was so against immigration. Seems now he was right.

          • David Ashton

            Eyebrows?

            Oswald Mosley, Cyril Osborne MP, Peter Griffiths MP (just died), Enoch Powell MP, John Tyndall, Alfred Sherman….that’s about it.

            Atsind zayt azoy gut avekforn mir aleyn, Stewball. Gai gezuntehait!

          • stewball

            Enoch Powell. That’s the one. Thank you.

  • bigone4u

    The only people living in Britain should be the white peoples whose roots go back at least to the Magna Carta. France for the French, Germany for the Germans, etc. Blacks and browns have no legitimate claim on a single square inch of the soil that each white ethnicity defended with blood and honor.

    • Sick of it

      My family has more claim to England than many of the modern “British” elites.

  • Chip Carver

    The Bulgarians are lumped in to make sure there’s a White face on this.

    Crime? Gypsies, Jamaicans, Blacks in general, Pakistanis, Indians… I could go on, but any sane White person knows this already.

  • Anna Tree

    Affirmative action for welfare recipients: blacks and muslims, criminals and terrorists included, can still get it but not the white poorer Europeans!

    This is a red herring again: mass-immigration from Non-white countries, self hatred and white replacement/suicide continue…

  • Spartacus

    You’re very good at missing the point, you know…

  • Ella

    Poor Romanians will leave by a few million easily out of 21 million, so I can just imagine the British politicians crying out that we came up with only 6,000 migrants, and we got over two million! Most Romanians are Romanian Orthodox. Muslims aim for rich Western countries for the big ticket welfare items, not so much Central-Eastern Europe.

  • T_Losan

    Gypsies are a different subject and shouldn’t be grouped in with Romanians. Romanian criminals are no joke either though, and in Italy specialize in prostitution, ATM scams, home invasions, and are regularly featured on the news for violent crime including rape. I’ve known some Romanians who were great guys, but there is an itinerant criminal class as well. The UK is right to be very wary.

  • Bossman

    I pity the Brits. At one time they were able to spread themselves all over the world through conquest and they can’t do that anymore. They now have settle for union with foreigners from across the channel. That is something that they never really wanted to do.

  • Fak_Zakaix

    A picture is worth a thousand words, they say.

  • jane johnson

    Thanks for the link, but it doesn’t answer my question. Who, exactly, are/is the “Commission”? That was the only reference I found as to who decides which countries may join the EU. Info on criteria was informative, and made sense, but who gets to decide?

  • Bossman

    Thanks for all this information. It is not always wise to generalize too much. I live in America so I don’t know them that well but this has been my general impression. I’ve also heard that Russians are extremely unfriendly people.

  • mrcan

    lets see… millions of 3rd worlders flood into Britain from their former colonies…. but they are concerned about Europeans. Europeans assimilate. In Canada we have millions of Canadians from Eastern Europe…. Poles, Ukrainians, Russians…etc…. and after a generation or less they marry Canucks and assimilate. I would only be concerned if they are gypsies or Muslims.

  • Whirlwinder

    Get rid of Islam in Europe, tighten your immigration laws, get rid of socialism, and then you can address such mundane concepts as whether to allow Romanian and Bulgarian immigrants in the UK. Tall order but if you want your civilization to survive, you had better start formulating a plan. Time is short.

  • Bossman

    The Swedes may have gotten it from the “Lapps” a very northern people who usually identify themselves with American Indians although they’ve been classified as white.