Is Red State America Seceding?

Patrick J. Buchanan, Human Events, October 11, 2013

In the last decade of the 20th century, as the Soviet Empire disintegrated so, too, did that prison house of nations, the USSR.

Out of the decomposing carcass came Russia, Belarus, Ukraine, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and Moldova, all in Europe; Georgia, Armenia and Azerbaijan in the Caucasus; and Tajikistan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan and Kazakhstan in Central Asia.

Transnistria then broke free of Moldova, and Abkhazia and South Ossetia fought free of Georgia.

Yugoslavia dissolved far more violently into the nations of Serbia, Slovenia, Croatia, Bosnia, Montenegro, Macedonia and Kosovo.

The Slovaks seceded from Czechoslovakia. Yet a Europe that plunged straight to war after the last breakup of Czechoslovakia in 1938 and 1939 this time only yawned. Let them go, all agreed.

The spirit of secession, the desire of peoples to sever ties to nations to which they have belonged for generations, sometimes for centuries, and to seek out their own kind, is a spreading phenomenon.

Scotland is moving toward a referendum on independence from England, three centuries after the Acts of Union. Catalonia pushes to be free of Madrid. Milanese and Venetians see themselves as a European people apart from Sicilians, Neapolitans and Romans.

Dutch-speaking Flanders wants to cut loose of French-speaking Wallonia in Belgium. Francophone Quebec, with immigrants from Asia and the Third World tilting the balance in favor of union, appears to have lost its historic moment to secede from Canada.

What are the forces pulling nations apart? Ethnicity, culture, history and language—but now also economics. And separatist and secessionist movements are cropping up here in the United States.

While many Red State Americans are moving away from Blue State America, seeking kindred souls among whom to live, those who love where they live but not those who rule them are seeking to secede.

The five counties of Western Maryland—Garrett, Allegheny, Washington, Frederick and Carroll, which have more in common with West Virginia and wish to be rid of Baltimore and free of Annapolis, are talking secession.

The issues driving secession in Maryland are gun control, high taxes, energy policy, homosexual marriage and immigration.

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And there is precedent. Four of our 50 states—Maine, Vermont, Kentucky, West Virginia—were born out of other states.

Ten northern counties of Colorado are this November holding non-binding referenda to prepare a future secession from Denver and the creation of America’s 51st state.

Nine of the 10 Colorado counties talking secession and a new state, writes Reid Wilson of the Washington Post—Cheyenne, Kit Carson, Logan, Morgan, Phillips, Sedgwick, Washington, Weld and Yuma—all gave more than 62 percent of their votes to Mitt Romney. Five of these 10 counties gave Romney more than 75 percent of their vote.

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In California, which many have long believed should be split in two, the northern counties of Modoc and Siskyou on the Oregon border are talking succession—and then union in a new state called Jefferson.

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Like the western Maryland and northern Colorado counties, the northern California counties are conservative, small town, rural, and have little in common with San Francisco or Los Angeles, or Sacramento, where Republicans hold not one statewide office and are outnumbered better than 2-1 in both houses of the state legislature.

Folks on the Upper Peninsula of Michigan, bordered by Wisconsin and the Great Lakes, which is connected to lower Michigan by a bridge, have long dreamed of a separate state called Superior. The UP has little in common with Lansing and nothing with Detroit.

While the folks in western Maryland, northern Colorado, northern California and on the Upper Peninsula might be described as Red State secessionists, in Vermont the secessionists seem of the populist left. The Montpelier Manifesto of the Second Vermont Republic concludes:

“Citizens, lend your names to this manifesto and join in the honorable task of rejecting the immoral, corrupt, decaying, dying, failing American Empire and seeking its rapid and peaceful dissolution before it takes us all down with it.”

This sort of intemperate language may be found in Thomas Jefferson’s indictment of George III. If America does not get its fiscal house in order, and another Great Recession hits or our elites dragoon us into another imperial war, we will likely hear more of such talk.

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  • There’s a semi-serious statehood effort in southern Illinois as well.

    And, in all the statehood movements that PJB describes, sans Vermont which is an actual secessionist effort, the racial and social disparate impact is obvious.

    • 1stworlder

      If chicongo was removed from IL the state would have the same murder rate as Finland.

      • Caledwych

        Quite true.St. Louis is neck and neck with Detroit for the dubious honor of being the violent crime capital of the USA,but if we were to remove about 4 or 5 North city neighborhoods–all demographically composed of,uh,a “certain ethnicity”—my hometown would be one of the most quiet and peaceful cities in North America.

        • My common sense tells me that St. Louis can’t possibly be in the same league of violence as Detroit. I happen to think that Detroit’s crime record keeping is suspect.

          • Caledwych

            Sure it is….Much like St. Louis’ record keeping will soon be.The City and County will soon be integrating crime stats but keeping separate police departments.Translation—-“here ya go,you white county yuppies…have some of our violent crime to make it look like there are drive-bys in Chesterfield and Wildwood,and in the meantime the city crime will miraculously drop almost overnight”.smh

          • You pretty much nailed the reason for that. Slay et al are tired of St. Louis ranking highly in the CQ violent crime city rankings.

    • Sick of it

      Southern Illinois is more on our side I gather? Just guessing based upon the population (mostly Southern in origin) before/during the Civil War.

      • Central Illinois is more like Indiana, far southern Illinois is more like the mid-South.

        Now that Illinois has CCW, I wonder how much steam the statehood movement has left.

  • JohnEngelman

    If the economy declines the United States may break up into two or more countries. It will be like the fall of the Soviet Union, only violent.

    The fall of the Soviet Union was seen in the United States as the failure of socialism.

    The fall of the United States will be seen internationally as the result of the failure of capitalism.

    • MekongDelta69

      The fall of the United States will be seen internationally as the result of the failure of capitalism.

      No – It will be seen as a failure of NoBama.
      Don’t forget – non-white countries don’t give a damn about PC. They will – and have been, and are presently – blaming the black man in charge.

      If it was the ‘failure of capitalism,’ then millions of people wouldn’t be still scrambling (legally or illegally) to get here. Nobody, but nobody, is running off to live in some 9th world hell-hole to put down roots.

      People (in general), want to move up, not down

      • Erasmus

        The similarities between the USSR in in it final days and the US now are uncanny: Bogged down in a war in Afghanistan, which is going nowhere, and rapidly rising military expenditures, short of the necessary revenue to meet civilian needs, a drop in the quality of life for everyone except for a privileged minority and a ruling clique who, for but a handful, are content to maintain the status quo.

        • frederickdixon

          The constituent republics of the USSR had the great advantage of being ethnically based, so that when the glue of repression failed they were able to stand alone as real countries.
          The USA doesn’t have that advantage; your states were not set up for different ethnicities, your people are all technically “Americans”. Why would any state consent to a part of its territory being severed? Why would the US government consent to such a thing (assuming that its consent is needed)? As for Vermont’s proposed secession from the US, I don’t need to remind anyone that its been tried before, and with what results.
          I can only say that if secession is what people want, then I wish them the very best of luck, because they’re going to need it.

          • evilsandmich

            I don’t need to remind anyone that its been tried before

            I think that threat is burned out by this point. As pointed out the American civil war was less a civil war than it was a traditional war between two nation-states.
            If it ‘goes bad’ it will probably look more like Yugoslavia, which I guess isn’t really an improvement in the short run.

    • Tarczan

      The fall of the United States will be because of central banking, with an assist to multiculturalism.

      • sbuffalonative

        Modern economic theory will be our undoing. We’re largely in this mess because modern economists keep coming up with new economic theories just to keep the system going.

        While you and I see the government akin to a household on a budget, a few months ago there were some economists saying that governments aren’t like households with budgets and they were actually talking about infinite debt limit. Google it.

        Luckily, the idea was so absurd, it was quietly ignored and quickly forgotten. Everyone who openly discussed it hopes no one will remember.

        As they say, you can’t make this stuff up.

        • M&S

          White households operate on a different expectation of for-profit driven acceleration through life phases towards specific goals.
          In a sane world, marriage becomes a home as a refuge for children and children become a work in progress to give your genes as your wisdom to -yourself- as support in your golden years. Through love and respect and the understanding that your kindness to them becomes their care for you and an inheritance is the Rise Of The Family as much as the Individual. After you are gone.
          Governments provide a non-profit assurance of -services- which, provided they are executed properly without corruption or failure, will always be renewed because they effectively support and protect the family. As such, they are not based on profit or debt but upon sureties.
          The problem comes from those who conflate the two. Families need to continue to gain in genetic as perspective destiny through renewal.
          Whereas government is not about replacing the family with dependence as surety of continuance.
          Whites have known this for ages and resent a society where government becomes an extension of the tyranny of family. Other races cannot compete with us in our given independent genetic algorithm and so they apply their own tribalist views/values as a brake to our pursuit of our owned genetic fate.
          Making our government, their family is bleeding us of all that is best in our Way.
          I wish I could say it was less than envy and stupidity combined.
          But it is exactly that.
          White wisdom from this cycle of our peoples existence will come from the certain realization that our open ended social altruism ‘accepting anyone’ must have limits. To those whose genes are our own as a gift of furthering The Will to seek The Way.

          • sbuffalonative

            People keep using the word “compromise” when discussing policies. The problem is that because the differences between the left and the right have become so extreme that compromise is impossible to achieve.

            Compromise only works when people are close to agreeing but differ on small or only a few issues. In these cases, working compromises can be achieved.

          • M&S

            I guess it’s a matter of expectations.
            I expect that my government will defend us and our way of life from all enemies foreign and domestic. They aren’t. And until they make some realistic acknowledgments about getting the society whose race you succor and uplift, they will not. Society is a racial construct, not the other way around. And when Mexicans replace us as the largest percentage population, we will get Mexico. Her crime, her corruption, her drugs, her lack of hope in an non-Malthusian (bred to entropy) future.
            I also expect that my government will plan for future methods and means development and integration to help keep providing a way forward for a highly innovative and tech driven, _smart_ people. They aren’t. Mercantile protectionism of American interests over everything and all the world ‘else’ is not happening. And so we are reverting to the social levels which a dumb population can sustain but a pioneering one is not rewarded in. Technical innovation is not H1B Chinese or Indians. It is a space program. It is a genetics program. It is a robotics program. All aimed towards rapid insertion of leveraging means to further improve -us-, not just the toys we play with or the weapons we kill with.
            I want to think that my government sets the bar and maintains white standards. In everything from resource management to healthcare to workplace safety, infrastructure support and education. All while practicing emulative as much as enviable fiduciary control over the budgets. They are abdicating this for private contractor run crutches and favors while employing a racially discriminatory percentage of blacks and other minorities (well beyond their population fractions) whose collective work product further endangers the system and denies whites a government services alternative to the private sector /even if they wanted to/ work for Uncle.
            Whites are being split into factions that have the brains to excel beyond all expectations in a future high-tech world which _will not exist_ because it will be overrun by low IQ and low socio evolutionary developed peoples whose sole skill is breeding.
            While every other element of white society who does well as mangers and effectors of the engine of our culture and would -execute- theses high tech solutions that white innovators create, are being functionally genocided in favor of ‘the kind of jobs’ blacks, Asians and Hispanics will do.
            Since the government is not protecting the highest level whites by keeping the middle and lower level whites on the same playing field _no matter what the cost_ to company profit ‘bottom lines’ at the supranational capitalist megacorp level, it becomes ever more obvious to me that the intent is to annihilate whites by driving us away from each other’s bond-group trust as mutual benefit.
            So that, deunified, by class, we do not fight for or against the system which we feel no loyalty to. When that system begins to take away the freedoms and methods by which we succeed as individuals.
            But that System is not us. Or it would not be doing this.
            It is not that compromise is impossible between disparate parties or groups, it’s that ‘The System’ itself is being gamed to drive us ever further apart and disempower us as sub groups so that we will not be able as much as willing to help our fellow whites out when the ‘Big Event’ begins as the final genocide of our people in our own nations.
            If we have to choose between abandoning what we know of a System that is flawed because it is not racially exclusive in giving us -reason- to bond together. And ‘compromising’ with the agents of that System that empowers others over us and so destroys our Way as genetic algorithm…I say the System goes.
            As long as we have dirt of our own as a national homeland, we can rebuild a new System, more attuned to our beliefs as existence. But America which looks like Africa or Mexico or Asia as a function of numberless hordes, sewerlike conditions, and utter depletion of potential as future horded resources for _white_ development and use, is not our country anymore regardless of who runs it or what the Constitution says about rights and liberties.

          • Terra Magnum Imperium

            Agreed, Obama Care is a good example of Compromise. The Federal Government should only a few responsibilities while the states can pretty much do as they please, 50 islands of innovation and a good way to see what works.

    • blight14

      Capitalism will not cause the downfall of our great nation but if we do collapse, it will be due to our suicidal altruism, aka demographics/diversity.

    • anew

      If the economy declines the United States may break up into two or more countries. It will be like the fall of the Soviet Union, only violent.

      You said this the other day on a thread on Alt Right, and I didn’t feel like asking about it, but now I’m curious: why do you assume that it would be violent?

      I Know that the type of people that I would call deep liberals/universalists would bitterly oppose a break-up, as would the neocons. The first group dreads the loss of power here and abroad, the latter pretty much only cares about the ability to project power abroad.

      But while each group has out-sized influence in Washington, they are still minorities in their respective parties. And however much they may want to act, this thing may be beyond their control. The typical left-wing activist, as evidenced in online comment sections, would just assume be free from the obstructionism of red-state America.

      A lot of amren commenters through the years have assumed that a Hispanic secession movement in the Southwest would give us our opportunity, but I don’t see that happening, at least not for a while. Nor do I think that the feds would consider that to a be a valid rationale for allowing a break-away WN state.

      Red State secession is more likely, and is a much better opening for us. What we need is for the Christian and Libertarian red-staters to splinter, but to hold together in their separatist effort, and then we simply throw our hat in the ring along with them, all agreeing that each will get their own piece of the pie. Or we start our own break-away movement within the red-states after the fact.

      • JohnEngelman

        why do you assume that it would be violent?

        – anew

        There are too many guns in the United States and too many groups of Americans who hate each other.

        Support for secession is usually strongest in states with the largest black and Hispanic populations. They will not peacefully submit to second class citizenship the way blacks did after the end of Reconstruction in 1876.

        The idea that they will peacefully leave as soon as the welfare system is dismantled is an illusion. Most blacks and Hispanics do not receive food stamps and Aid to Families with Dependent checks. Many whites do, especially in Southern states.

        Also, secession will be economically harmful. White blue collar workers who think secession in their states will restore the white male supremacy and the good economic numbers of the 1950’s will be disappointed.

        Dividing the United States will not divide multi national corporations. They will play off the truncated segments of what was the United States for the weakest environmental protection, the least in employee safety regulations, and the lowest wages.

        • anew

          I don’t think there would be a mass black exodus, but I do think that many more would leave than would come. Red State America would not necessarily enforce second-class citizenship for blacks. If they did, then yeah, there would be violence (but probably also a greater black exodus).

          For WNs, it obviously makes sense to choose an already very white area, and to then flood it with whites.

      • JohnEngelman

        What we need is for the Christian and Libertarian red-staters to splinter, but to hold together in their separatist effort.

        – anew

        The religious right and the libertarian right have nothing in common but a common enemy. The religious right wants the government to prohibit abortion and pornography and to censor the popular culture. Virtually all Christian conservatives want to prohibit gay marriage. Many would like to prohibit inter racial marriage. Christian Conservatives also oppose the use of marijuana.

        Since the 1950’s values and behavior in the United States have greatly changed. Patterns of behavior that were customary back then would have to be enforced by the government now.

        Libertarians would oppose all of this. A libertarian can be seen as a Republican who likes pornography, non marital sex, and illegal drugs. Most libertarians have little or no use for Christianity.

        • anew

          The religious right and the libertarian right have nothing in common but a common enemy.

          That’s exactly my point.

    • No: it will be seen as the failure of multiculturalism.

      • JohnEngelman

        That too.

        • Some of the genuine Mexicans in federal prison were OK. We didn’t have any politicized Chicanos in my unit.

          I am fairly confident your dream country would work perfectly, so long we restored our nation to Constitutional rule after my term as a North American Oliver Cromwell. I wouldn’t trust anyone else to do the job properly.

    • WhiteGuyInJapan

      “The fall of the United States will be seen internationally as the result of the failure of capitalism.”
      That should be seen as the failure of diversity.

    • Luca

      More like the failure of lunatic liberalism.

  • Kit Ingoldby

    White people getting tired of picking up the bill for black people who constantly tell the White people how much they hate them.

    Just surprising it’s taken so long.

    • sbuffalonative

      I always say that if ‘progressives’ believed a liberal Utopia was possible, it would be ‘progressives’ demanding secession. That way, they could institute every liberal program they championed. Ending racism. ‘Equal rights’ for women and minorities. Abortions on demand without parental notification. Dismantling the ‘prison-industrial complex’. Food stamps and free health care for everyone. Unrestricted immigration. Etc.

      The reason THEY don’t want us to secede or THEY don’t want to secede is because they know someone has to fund all these programs.

      How many businesses would there be when corporate, business, and individual taxes were raised to 50% or more?

      • Sick of it

        Any decent conservative country born from a secession would have tax rates at least as low as 10% across the board.

        • sbuffalonative

          Spreading the message of low taxes (enshrined in a new Constitution) would be a great selling point.

          • Sick of it

            I like the original Constitution, perhaps with added technical language that modern fools could understand so they would no longer have a legal excuse for their crimes.

      • That’s how high they already are for many people in California. And we can see how things are working out there.

    • Spartacus

      ….

    • The Final Solution

      The only reason it has taken so long is that the US is such a massive country. It’s hard to believe but there are still gigantic parts of this country that are relatively untouched by ‘diversity’. Like any invasion, it’s taking them time to reach the interior. The fact is that even in diverse areas, most of the whites seem to be living apart from it sort of like an occupied people just ignoring their invaders as they go about their daily business. They are complacent and life is just too good for them to get agitated about anything.

    • ZeitTrash

      White people elected Obama president. Twice. That doesn’t indicate growing realism from whites. I’m not trying to ruin anyone’s day but it’s important to be realistic instead of hoping that optimistic predictions come true.

      • Kit Ingoldby

        The majority of White people voted against Obama. It’s important to remember that if the USA had the same racial composition as it had in the 1980’s then Obama would have been nowhere near being elected.

        • sbuffalonative

          Let me amend my comment. When I say new Constitution, I’m only proposing to make the intent of some language clearer and unambiguous.

          Examples: The right of individuals in a free society to own weapons for self-defense and defense of the Constitution shall not be infringed.

          Free speech being necessary for political discourse in a free society shall not be infringed upon by individuals, government, or business. The right of free speech shall be absolute.

          Etc.

          We need to do away with ambiguous legalese.

          • ms_anthro

            I agree that the language needs to be modernized and made clear enough that even a Harvard-educated lawyer can understand it.

            We need to add a restriction on holding dual citizenship and public office. No more spying and warmongering and looting for that miserable little desert welfare country by the sea. Violation of this law should result in immediate and permanent deportation to the offending country. We also need to set Congressional term limits, clearly define the crime of treason, and make it punishable by death. No voting rights for those who pay no income and/or property taxes. No public unions. No borrowing to finance adventurism or pork barrel projects. Carrying a federal debt or deficit should once again be unacceptable. Bribery (“lobbying”) must be illegal and punished with immediate removal from office and imprisonment.

            Attempts by anyone in any of the three branches to change any of the most important Amendments (1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc.) should result in immediate removal from office. They are sacrosanct and cannot be changed for any reason. The Constitution is not a “living document” to be changed by unaccountable activist judges.

            I would also suggest that any government employee whose actions cause the death of an innocent person (i.e. Lon Horiuchi, the Waco killers, anyone involved in Fast and Furious and border patrol murders, etc.) be subject to a timely public execution post-conviction and his estate liquidated to compensate the surviving families. We need real, tangible consequences for would-be tyrants and their minions or our progeny will be facing the same demons in another century or two.

            Working for the government should be hard, thankless, and personally unprofitable. Politics should never be a primary career for anyone holding office. It used to be that Congress would travel to Washington to convene and vote and then go back home to their day jobs and families. We need to bring that back, with gusto. The Constitution was a pretty great protection until we got lazy about protecting it from opportunists, thieves, and murderers. Let’s strip away the chaff and let it work for us again.

          • sbuffalonative

            The current Constitution is a great document but it has left itself open to attacks because of ambiguous language.

            We definately need to firm-up government fiscal duties and responsibilties. Stressing limited taxation and fiscal responsibility are issues that many people would rally around. It worked for the first Revolution and I have no doubt it would be an excellent selling point for a second Revolution.

            It’s funny how ‘progressive’ liberals talk about the Constitution as a ‘living document’ while at the same time declare abortion ‘settled law’.

      • sbuffalonative

        Jared Taylor has pointed out our fatal flaw; we’re too nice.

        White people elected Obama twice because they were willing to give a black man a chance and this was their chance to prove they weren’t ‘racists’.

        ‘Progressive’ liberal views permeate the MSM. It’s difficult to see the real problems when the MSM is complicit in hiding information and distorting opinions to fit one agenda.

  • William Krapek

    This is a terrible idea that will only leave us as prey to the “special whites.” The only policy to pursue is to establish dominance everywhere we have ruled. At the end of the day that will be best for everyone.

    • Sick of it

      Always think in the long term. Short term is meaningless.

      • William Krapek

        There is no longer term than chronically divided and conquered.

        • Sick of it

          There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio, than are dreamt of in your philosophy. Consider the possibilities. The powers that be push so hard to keep America in particular under total bondage lest we make the entire system crumble.

          • William Krapek

            I see what you mean. But it’s not going to do us any good if we don’t stand up for ourselves and fight for our own interests. And if we do that, why would we want to break up OUR own superpower? Round up the Mexican invaders and send them packing. Round up the Negroes running around and stirring up trouble and lock them up. Break up the Jewish mafias in Wall Street, Hollywood, and Washington and send them packing to Israel. Throw the Muslims out of Europe.

            Once that’s done the game’s over.

  • Dave4088

    The secessionist spirit is encouraging, but I wouldn’t get too excited about it. If secession ever comes to pass anywhere in the USSA the new state (or nation) would have to prove to the mainstream media that it won’t become a haven for “racists”, i.e., white people who don’t hate themselves and who wish to preserve their racial and genetic heritage. And the ruling cadre of the new “red” state will be all too eager to prove their anti-racist credentials and commitment to racial diversity.

    Wake me up when a new North American state or nation is founded of, by and for white people only.

    • Sick of it

      Dave, if very American people in places like Texas and Louisiana are involved, that b.s. will be chucked out with military force. We are SICK OF IT! I’ve known otherwise liberal college students who are sick of this garbage.

      • Dave4088

        By “garbage” I hope you mean multiculturalism and black and brown supremacy.

        • Sick of it

          That, welfare programs, people telling us what to do…

    • ms_anthro

      If we secede successfully, it won’t matter whether they think we are “racists” or anything else. They’d no longer have power over us in any way.

  • bigone4u

    Wouldn’t it be wonderful if Barack Hussein Obama was the FIRST black president of the United States and the LAST president of the United States? Obama and Eric (My People) Holder are the key to understanding why the secession talk grows. A bad economy, financial irresponsibility, dictatorial powers, bad law, and a clear hatred of white persons, combined with a massive ego add fuel to the fire. This is one fire that needs to become an eternal flame.

  • Spartacus

    Read this earlier, and I must say, it’s one of the best things I’ve read in YEARS ! Other people are waking up, and starting to see secession as the solution . We can’t lose America! And there is no America without the White race .

    • Sick of it

      Some of us were talking about this years ago, so it is nice to see it become something a bit mainstream (i.e. other folks are finally catching up to the obvious).

      • M&S

        Sometimes it’s better to step further towards a trap to see it’s outline than to simply refuse to acknowledge it’s presence and walk the other way.
        But just because you don’t or won’t set foot in it, doesn’t mean you can avoid characterizing the risk because it’s still a trap.
        White Secessionism will have to be global across American society, acknowledged as ‘for the best’ by all and sundry on our continent. It will also have be _universal_, among those who go, so that there is no “I wanna quit too but I’m scared of all you racists!” as further fragmenting dissent among us.
        And it will have to be intelligent in a manner that makes it clear to our fellow whites who choose /not to/ that _we are leaving_ and if they get into a fight with us, the best they can do is kill us all. Because we will deny them services. Force them to watch our every civil disobedience move. And block every one of their attempts to mandate that we give to what we no longer control.
        At which point this nation will either collapse or descend to bloodbath and if they win, they will get their liberal society of white minoritism.
        With all the blacks, and Hispanics waiting for them, next.
        We can neither rush this nor wait until 2040 when we are defacto outnumbered with a huge aging culture and no real dominance in any single region denying us a place to stage a resettlement into.
        In particular, we must look towards a wider world condition in which the waning of U.S. power is seen as an excellent opportunity to advance other interests. And do what we can to insulate or moderate the chaos effects of a world without a U.S. stabilizing presence in it. Upon our own people.
        Perhaps it would give you some perspective if I said the while the power behind the blacks was the usual suspects among the idiot liberal left, the power behind the libiots was a group that -did not care- about our guilt or our destruction as a goal or moral gain.
        Rather, they drove things like cultural relativism and ethnic disintegration of our nation solely to lessen the resident power we project on the culturation as fate of the human condition around the world.
        As a power which they wish for themselves.
        Whether from envy or from fear, the fragmentation and destruction of the United States is an engineered event and the fact that an ‘obvious’ path to freedom from our ethnic parasites may be a baited trap condition suggests that we be very careful in where we place our choices before we vote with our feet.

        • Sick of it

          Sometimes a trap set by an inferior opponent becomes an opportunity.

  • WASP

    I don’t know if secession will happen for the deep south states in my lifetime or not, but the problem is we have so many Blacks; the mestizo’s are trying to take over too. The stupid Whites are rolling out the welcome mat for them, but certainly NOT ALL of us!! I was born in Dixie; I want to die in Dixie.

    • Jesse James

      I am with you. Born here and plan on dieing here, hopefully peacefully but if they can’t leave me alone I guess that going out in my home as it burns around me would be fitting.

      • WASP

        A kindred spirit. You understand. Thanks.

        • Jesse James

          We seriously thought about moving to Montana, checked out some real estate and at the last minute decided no, most of our family is still down south and though we really were attracted to the idea of finally getting away from all the racial conflict and living near people like us we just couldn’t leave. Home for better or worse, parts of my family have been down here since before the revolution, if we don’t belong here we don’t belong anywhere.

        • DonReynolds

          My Dear Friends….
          There is no place to run and nowhere to hide.
          Either we stay here alive,
          or we stay here dead.
          The choice is simple.

    • So CAL Snowman

      I agree i’m staying in Southern California, and I am dying in Southern California. This is MY home, not theirs. I don’t feel like running, I would rather fight in the sun than die in the rain.

      • Sick of it

        When folks from one region support folks from another region in a just pursuit of freedom, they may later find themselves the beneficiaries of powerful allies.

      • JimmySD

        You sure are brave when you think you’re anonymous.

        Be careful who you threaten. You wouldn’t be the first spoiled little brat from Palos Verdes to wash up on the beach.

    • Sick of it

      Again, the only force strong enough to keep them here against our will is the most powerful military in the world. Most of the combat troops in said military are from the South.

    • sbuffalonative

      Look what I saw in Buffalo, New York Yesterday. And it’s not the first. Only the most recent:

      • Be still my beating heart!

        If only it was the German-Dixieron flag I designed.

      • Mergatroyd

        Forgive me, my eyes aren’t what they used to be. What is it I’m supposed to be looking at? What flag is that?

        • sbuffalonative

          I’m not sure how to take your comment.

          Are you mocking my photography skills for not getting a better picture or are you expressing your disbelieve that someone up-north in uber liberal New York State would show Confederate solidarity?

          • Mergatroyd

            I assure you I was not mocking your photography skills. I couldn’t make out what type of flag was on the back of the Jeep, but you’ve now answered my question. I actually thought it might be a flag from the Third Reich.

          • Sick of it

            It’s the Confederate battle flag.

      • WASP

        A bit of hope. Thanks.

        • sbuffalonative

          They’re more common up north than you’re led to believe by the haters of ‘hate’.

          Until he moved, a guy on my street used to fly a very large Confederate flag on a large flag pole. You see stickers on car windows.

          One bar on the main drag used to fly one. However, the bar was across the street from a local politician who had to get rid of it before someone complained (you don’t want to upset your Democrat base by letting it stay and being accused of complicity, indifference, not caring, or outright ‘hate’).

          • We have one here and fly it. My HOA complained that the covenant states that only an “American” flag can be flown, but the Stars and Bars is an “American” flag.

  • Jesse James

    We have a similar grass roots effort but on a smaller scale in the Atlanta metro area. The majority white area of North Fulton county is trying to resurrect Milton County because they are sick of having their tax dollars stolen by the black run county government where corruption, inefficiency and misuse of funds is rampant. They are being fought by the blacks who control Fulton County who are already crying racism. In Dekalb County whites have tried to regain some control of their local governments by incorporating small towns like Brookhaven. The Brookhaven government is extremely small and very efficient, they pride themselves on keeping government spending to the absolute minimum.

  • Luca

    This type of state secession sounds pretty good if we look at the electoral college and the patterns which emerged in the last presidential election. California alone has 55 electoral votes and 30% of the people voted Republican. If a secession can take away 10 electoral votes that would be an accomplishment.

    Likewise, a good strategy would be for more people to move to Florida to swing those 29 votes into the Red column.

    This probably the only viable strategy to stop the socialist takeover. Anything is better than the current scenario.

    • Sick of it

      Florida’s situation has been the polar opposite. Liberals have flooded the state, changing the entire culture as well as voting trends.

      • Jesse James

        I wouldn’t advise anyone relocating to Florida. I have family down there and there are serious problems related to over development. They drained a lot of wet lands and now have serious problems with out of control fires. Too many people has put serious pressures on the drinking water supplies and the aquifer beneath most of the state is being depleted much faster than it is being replaced. Also they have serious problems with sewage contamination of both drinking water and the ocean. A guy in Volusia County last week died because he went in the water with a small mosquito bite size break in his skin and he got a bacteria infection that killed him very fast. Add to the eco-disaster issues is the fact that the state is always in the way of hurricanes and that it is a multi-cultural nightmare in terms of demographics. Plus the fact that most of the whites are old and weak – not a good place to try and get backup in the event of civil disorder.

        • Viking_61

          Split Florida in half at the I-4 corridor or maybe a little further south (Lake Okeechobee?) and you would have an 85% white conservative state with 10-12 electoral votes. Let South Florida collapse under the weight of brown people and environmental catastrophe.

  • MekongDelta69

    Is Red State America Seceding?

    Hell – I hope so…

    • Katherine McChesney

      Isn’t it unrealistic to consider succession? Couldn’t access be cut off preventing delivery of necessities to the ‘new state’? It seems that the infrastructure would suffer without proper funding. The government could deny federal and state funds to keep it operationable and habitable.

  • Speaking of non-traditional solutions:

    See the front of Drudge just now?

    Executive summary: The Stupid Party did what the Stupid Party do.

    OTOH, we just might be able to get this party started.

  • DonReynolds

    “And there is precedent. Four of our 50 states—Maine, Vermont, Kentucky, West Virginia—were born out of other states.”
    Tennessee was part of the State of North Carolina, before becoming a state in 1796. That makes five of the 50 states.

  • Rhialto

    The European examples that Buchanan provides are interesting, but keep in mind the overreaching European Union, which would benefit by the fragmentation of its member countries. On the other hand, the Federal Government would not benefit by state fragmentation, which would not likely get the required congressional approval.

    As far as succession is concerned, do you think that FedGov would hesitate to use its massive military force to “preserve” the union? I don’t! The present is not the time, for these measures.

    • Ella

      Maybe, if a few smaller States voted for secession, they might be able to leave peacefully if they are not mineral rich. States that have economic wealth similar to Germany or France will be occupied miserably to prevent federal revenue losses. I think any action should begin at the State level where much powers supposed to reside.

    • Sick of it

      State fragmentation only requires approval of the state legislature. Per the Constitution anyway. I disagree re: secession – This may be the last chance we have, considering things like Common Core and massive immigration.

      • Mergatroyd

        The Constitution has already been torn asunder. Best not to put any faith in it at this point, move on and do what’s best for whites. You can bet our enemies aren’t beholden to any Constitution written by old, dead, white slavers.
        We need to adapt to this mind-set too. There IS no Rule of Law for non-whites and so it must be for us as well until this nightmare is settled and a new pro-white government is formed that looks out for the interests or our people, because the current government doesn’t. In fact, it supports white genocide.
        Ask every day, “is it good for whites?” and then act from that perspective. It’s the only way we’re going to survive.

        • Sick of it

          My response is yes, the Constitution is good for us. The rule of law is good for us. But the Founders never tied their hands when dealing with enemies who were trying to kill them.

    • Jesse James

      I agree the US military would definitely act against any real secession attempts, after all they have a deep history of suppressing rebellion. The first mission of the Army after independence was putting down a separatist tax revolt, Shay’s Rebellion, in Western Massachusetts. The factors that initiated this rebellion are more similar to the things that we are facing today in some ways than the American Civil War.

      • The problem there is the atom bomb. Any former US secession nation with nuclear weapons would have to be instantly recognized by Washington DC because someone like me would blow Washington DC right off the map without warning, along with Mexico City and anyone else who wanted some.

        In the case of Mexico City, I would want a ground burst, so it would eventually be a lake again.

        • ms_anthro

          In the book Molon Labe! by Boston T. Party (Kenneth W. Royce), a scenario quite like what you’re describing plays out in Wyoming. I won’t spoil the ending for anyone but it’s an entertaining read.

          • I wrote about the nuclear issue. A nuclear-armed secession state changes the entire equation.

          • ms_anthro

            Your comment shouldn’t have been deleted, just as my comments shouldn’t be routinely edited without acknowledgment. For a site that prides itself on speaking the unvarnished truth, there sure are a lot of faceless, nameless thought policemen lurking around ready to send truthful posts down the memory hole.

            This will be deleted but hopefully you’ll see it, Mr. Scott. Thank you for reposting your thoughts.

  • joesolargenius

    I am already fantasizing about a name for our New Country,perhaps the United Conservative States of America !

    • Ella

      I’ll dream with you. I like the sound of Jefferson for a new State symbolizing hope and our great US Constitution, especially the Bill of Rights.

      • Mike Conrad

        And we can get rid of some of the later amendments, in particular the 14th which our enemies have used as a powerful lever to destroy our society.

    • Sick of it

      The American Dominion. Those other jokers will likely keep the name USA, so there’s no point in creating any confusion. We could be called Americans, they could be called Yankees or Yanks (per the British term used for Americans).

      • Mike Conrad

        They could be US but not USA as they are in lockstep with our latino friends who insist that A is theirs too (or only theirs). Better yet they should be EU for Estados Unidos. America–as an idea–is ours not theirs.

      • joesolargenius

        Mexico full name is The United States of Mexico ,estados unidos de mexico, so they already have competition for that name.

        • Xanthippe2

          Mexicans never use the whole name though. And when they want to be polite they call Whites “Americans.” In fact, a Swedish tourist might be called an “American”. Blacks and Asians are not called “Americans” even if their families have been here for generations.

          • joesolargenius

            The Hispanics refer to blacks as Maietes which is a racial slur and refer to the Chinese as Chinos.

    • Jesse James

      How about “The Confederate States of America”

      • Katherine McChesney

        LOL. I wish.

      • joesolargenius

        I could get behind the Confederate States of America !

  • bill e bobb

    If you are white and live in a state like california, either you move or you resign yourself to paying ever higher taxes to support the “people of color” who are destroying the state.

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      Moreover, if you are white and you live in that darkie ridden hellhole, your children will be targets for abuse, rape, assault, murder. Your home will be a target for home invasions and robberies by non-whites, while the state continues to disarm you and render you more vulnerable. And if you dare kill one of these enemy invaders, you will be prosecuted and thrown in prison where more darkies will kill you. All the while the state will keep taxing you more and more to support these enemies of our race, and take away the few freedoms you still have left. No, you are a white person must leave California and form white only enclaves called Pioneer Little Europes, and work towards the goal of taking over states or parts of states with the goal of seceding from the blacks, browns and those who cannot be named.

  • Mike Conrad

    The smaller the political unit, the greater the freedom. Local control is real control. I’m in favor of every kind of secession.

  • Luca

    Personally, I’d rather see the radical Liberal/Leftist/NeoMarxists purged.

    • JohnEngelman

      What do you intend to do with them? Put them in prison?

      • Luca

        So many should be arrested and thrown in prison and prevented from being in politics.

        I am an advocate of deporting criminals, or shall we say, outsourcing them to Liberia and/or any third-world government overseas so they have no chance of repatriation. Those countries now accepting our foreign aid would be prime candidates if they wished further aid.

        All hard core criminals are a cancer on society and the further and the longer they are removed the better.

        • JohnEngelman

          These “the radical Liberal/Leftist/NeoMarxists” have not broken any laws that I know of. You simply want to imprison those you disagree with. You have read quite a few of my comments. Do you want to put me in prison too?

          • Luca

            What is wrong with your comprehension process? That’s a rhetorical question, clearly you lack common sense. You need to spend less time cutting and pasting liberal statistical minutiae and more time processing thoughts before you write.

            Yes, people break laws, yes, some of those are liberals, example: Occupy protesters who committed criminal acts, vandalism, rape etc. The immigration crowd who riot and break laws, Bill Ayers, Bernadine Dorn, etc. ad nauseum.

            Also think of all the Obama voters currently in prison. Think of all the politicians who actually should have gone to prison or at the very least had been removed from politics like Holder, Hillary Clinton, Ted Kennedy, Rangel etc.

            No one should go to prison for their beliefs, only when they act out and violate the Constitution and statutes on the books.

            Oh that’s right..you said common sense is wrong. And don’t forget to contact the moderators and tell them that I am a mean-spirited, insensitive bully who hurt your feelings..

          • JohnEngelman

            Ronald Reagan prepered for his debate with Jimmy Carter using a briefing book that had been stolen from the Carter campaign. That was almost certainly a felony.

            Ted Kennedy was given a two month suspended sentence because of Chappaquiddick. What did Eric Holder, Hillary Clinton, Charles Rangel do that was illegal?

          • Actually you’re wrong. I want to *KILL* people who disagree with me about fundamental rights. I don’t want them imprisoned.

          • JohnEngelman

            You and I disagree about quite a few issues. Do you want to kill me? Yes or no, do you?

      • (Raises hand) I know precisely what to do with them.

  • libertarian1234

    The grand push by the globalists to force a one world order made up of a rainbow of smiling international faces has hit a snag that is going to be their undoing.

    Nature deeply imbeds in us an instinct that compels us to prefer our own kind. Normal, sane people have a natural aversion to sharing societies with those not like themselves.

    And we’re seeing that play out right now. It has never worked and it’s not going to work now.

    • Jesse James

      I think you are on to something here. The Soviet Union worked hard to suppress ethnic loyalty and to stress the creation of “the new Soviet man”. Yet when they broke up it occurred very rapidly along historical national and ethnic lines.

      • libertarian1234

        That’s a good point.

        Tito’s Yugoslavia is another example.

        As soon as the propaganda ceased and the bayonets were removed from the throats of the people, they continued to pursue their rivalries and differences as if the old regime had never existed.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Libertarian1234, chapter and verse, how do you see the undoing of NWO/globalism manifested in the USA? Help me out with a few encouraging words.
      As a MexiSikhHmongMuslimVietChinesefornia resident, I see us sinking lower and lower into a multicult Marxist abyss, the icing on the cake, millions more parasites invited to the party and on their way.
      Meanwhile, rageful puppet, Barry “you did not build that” Soetero acts at the behest of criminal SDS, Weather Underground mentors, carefully appointed subversive Czars, the treacherous DOJ, various sycophants, and finally, an idealized Marxist father to realize his fondest dreams. The hated imperialistic, global bully, USA, is brought low, our Constitution and Bill of Rights imperiled.
      And, as I keep ranting: he moves away from the ruins to economically intact, 3rd World immune Hawaii and his 35 million dollar estate.

      • libertarian1234

        “Libertarian1234, chapter and verse, how do you see the undoing of NWO/globalism manifested in the USA? ”

        The entire picture, if examined, reveals a trend toward homgeneity….as Pat Buchanan correctly points out. And homogeneity is in DIRECT opposition to globalist views of a rainbow utopia.

        Also, briefly, the signs include contentious tribal clashes that are getting even more divisive; a concentration on group interests to the exclusion of the interests of the country as a whole; black on non-black violence that reveals an animosity and hatred by a majority of the black population towards people unlike themselves….especially whites…..which is too imbedded to ever change; a growing division along political lines between traditionalists and liberals that is truly at crisis levels; and obvious evidence from every group that there is zero intent or desire to assimilate into American culture as it has existed for centuries, preferring instead to set up colonies of like-minded people who share common interests, culture, language and a common view of what they want for the future.

        America is an empire, and empires are disunited by their very nature, involving multi-ethnic, multi-racial types, non-contiguous geographical entities containing dissimilar people, and all them require force or the threat of force to keep order, because they’re basically at constant odds over almost every policy of the governing authority. Many of them despise each other.

        There’s much more to it than these brief points, but the most convincing argument against globalism….in a nut shell… is that it’s simply against human nature. People prefer their own kind. There’s proof of that everywhere in abundance and man-made edicts and psychological ploys fail in the long term

        • itdoesnotmatter

          Buchanan’s observation thus: ” Francophone Quebec, with immigrants from Asia and the Third World
          tilting the balance in favor of union, appears to have lost its historic
          moment to secede from Canada,” needs clarification.

          The stickler, if I read this correctly: multicultural divisiveness via immigration from the Third World has weakened the Quebecois’ desire to secede from Canada’s central government.
          Does Mr. Buchanan mean to state that mixed cultures with disparate group interests occupying the same territory might lack cohesive strength or more to the point, cannot afford to separate?
          We witnessed European balkanization with the breakup of the Soviet Union. Some countries, unable to support a newly formed independent state, spiraled deeper into poverty.

        • agreed but i assimilated speak english and believe in the laws that govern all not certain groups. By culture I like Japanese Chinese and South Korean culture more than current american ones and I do enjoy foods from all over the world. But I am an exception not the rule most people refuse to free themselves from group think and be an individualist

    • Mergatroyd

      The final battle will be when there is competition for resources, and there will be, as in food, water, and living space. That is when the so call — will hit the fan. Which will it be? Watch your children, your family, your people starve? Or fight with everything you’ve got. At that point, we’ll have nothing to lose, and this IS what it’s coming down to.

      • libertarian1234

        “The final battle will be when there is competition for resources, and there will be, as in food, water, and living space.”

        In my opinion I think that’s the greatest danger facing humanity, especially China and India both of which would have mass starvation if even a serious drought occurred, especially since not enough rainfall translates into not enough food, since crops and livestock require massive amounts of water.

        Also, there are reports of rivers and lakes that are dangerously low, with some of them now drying up, which has never occurred before.

        China is seen as expanding its interests in Africa and South America in order to acquire land, because they’re having difficulty providing food and water to their existing population. And the bad news is that it looks as if they’re going to abandon their one child policy, because of an ageing population and not enough younger workers to offset the expenses required.

        The US right now has ground water levels never before this low, and it is continuing with no let up in sight, yet the politicians are pressuring for third world immigration and a constant call for more growth.

        Politicians will never change course because of the obvious danger, so in all likelihood they’ll have to start another world war in order to keep the populations on the planet under control.

        • The next major international natural resource issue will be fresh water.

        • WR_the_realist

          It’s good to see this common sense from a libertarian. Most libertarians are cornucopians, believing that more people simply means more hands to do work and more brains to solve problems, and thus more people is never a problem. Curiously, they share this opinion with the late Chairman Mao, who encouraged Chinese to have large families, believing that this simply meant more hands to build the communist utopia. The resulting surge in what was already a large population was what cause the Chinese government to do a 180 degree turn in its population policy and impose a 2 child and then a one child limit on families.

          • Beloved Comrade

            People need not put all of us libertarians into the pro-open, pro-Ron Paul borders category. I am, unlike Republicans or Democrats, certainly not for open borders. I am, however, anti-welfare state, pro free markets and pro- limited government, also unlike the Republicans or Democrats.

            As John Adams wrote, Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. Never forget that the first immigration act of 1790 was for free WHITE people only and that “for us and our posterity” did not mean life-long welfare users from Somalia, Sudan, Mexico or El Salvador.
            The country was set up for whites and ONLY whites, and it worked and worked well when it was majority white.

            PS: Don’t start up with slavery, only a small fraction of whites owned slaves and slavery was ended by whites and ONLY whites.
            What about the sacrifices whites made to end slavery? such as 500,000 dead young white males that it took to end it in America.

    • i dont care about race it is ideology and culture that holds a nation together but most racists dont see that

  • Sick of it

    And the entirety of the youth would be against us at that time, standing hand in hand with the invaders.

  • Sick of it

    They would send U.N. troops to attack the seceding conservatives.

    • Jesse James

      The UN would be delighted to rent a few hundred thousand troops to the embattled socialist USA. We thought the Hessians were bad…at least they were white.

      • Sick of it

        The Hessian soldiers conducted themselves far better than the Union soldiers during the Civil War.

    • Xanthippe2

      If it wasn’t for the U.S. would the U.N. even exist? I’m not sure.

      • Sick of it

        The planning for organizations like that did not begin in America. The movement did not begin in America. The planners and money men did not start out in America. Hell, the socialist/progressive movements were wholly imported.

      • Mergatroyd

        The U.S. provides the major funding of the UN and allows it to operate in the US.

        • Katherine McChesney

          The UN is the enemy of freedom. It’s filled with dictators, murderers and corruption. We should defund it and kick it out of the country.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            The UN is also the mortal enemy of all people of European bloodlines as well.

    • Mergatroyd

      Where will they get the military ordnance to do so? Or the personnel to repair the jet engines when theirs break down? UN troops are made up of 3rd world slime.

      • Sick of it

        Liberal Europeans will do such work for them with gladness. I’m sure they would also enjoy providing the needed materiel to murder the lot of us.

    • Erasmus

      They would send U.N. troops to attack the seceding conservatives.

      Many Americans would respond to them the way the Mujahedeen responded to Soviet and American troops in Afghanistan. Oh, yes, we now call Afghanis fighting US forces “Taliban” but they are, for all intents and purposes the same as the Mujahedeen who fought the Soviets.

      • Any honest US patriots who could get their hands on a nuke would set it off in the capitol of one of the occupying nations.

        I would do it.

        This is why there will never be any UN occupation of the United States.

  • Sick of it

    Using the South as an example for secession, we have quite a few major ports.

    • Ella

      For example, Portland and Seattle also offer big seaports along with Alaska. They have some Asian communities who seem assimilated enough. However, many nations will put an embargo on this so-called country and “starve” it.

      • Sick of it

        Good luck starving people in farm country. We also have the nation’s oil, natural gas, and salt down here. Then there’s the manufacturing in certain parts of the South, machine shops, technological research…the new South has a lot more tools at its disposal than the old South. We also have a good chunk of the air force and the nuclear arsenal.

        • Oof

          So, you’re threatening to nuke the USA? Good job, patriot.

        • ms_anthro

          In your estimation, what would be a most promising Southern city to live in for a productive White family? I’ve heard a lot of Constitutionalists are moving to Asheville.

          • Sick of it

            I’m not sure we have any good cities at present. They need to be cleaned out of various unwanted persons, most particularly liberals. I can suggest nice rural areas like Northern Arkansas and even parts of Southern Louisiana where the criminal element is in the extreme minority, if present at all.

      • We could starve them.

        We could also nuke them.

        I am not afraid of an independent Colorado having a nuclear war with China or Russia. We’d beat them quite nicely, though we’d have to take some very heavy hits.

    • Katherine McChesney

      Retaining access to our ports is what motivated Lincoln to fight against the Confederacy.

      • Sick of it

        Mostly he wanted to keep us paying the majority of the taxes funding the Federal government.

        • The permanent federal income tax hadn’t been invented at the time.

          • Sick of it

            We were funding the government via tariffs.

  • john boggs

    Agree 100%. My friend’s dad would say the same thing when we were kids. Any man who has had to work with black men in the military or in a blue collar profession knows first hand that they’re as useless as tits on a bull. I have zero reservations about going to battle against blacks, if necessary. It would be an absolute cake walk. I also think that people are putting too much stock in the Feds using the US military to crush a secession movement. Many of the troops would be on our side. Not to mention that other red states would ally themselves with any state that was able to secede. These are interesting times.

    • Jesse James

      Let’s not make the mistake the South made in the rah rah lead up to the Civil War thinking that every Confederate was worth twenty Yankees. Quantity has a quality of its own and by 1864 the experienced Union troops were as good as the Confederates. I have seen blacks who were useless but there are always a few that are very good. Often they seem careless, sloppy and indifferent part of that attitude is no doubt because they don’t give a damn about white man’s business. They will be much more motivated and savage if they are working in all black units to destroy us. Rape, pillage, murder and chaos will definitely inspire them. John read about the opening months of the first American Civil War and it’s prelude. The things that you are saying are EXACTLY the things Southerners were counting on to allow their secession to work. 1) Yankee’s are piss poor soldiers and we are qualitatively better, 2) Many of the Federal troops are Southerner’s and they want fight against their home states and their people, 3) The border states will side with us .

      • Sick of it

        We aren’t bound by technological constraints like the enemy. They HAVE to keep their people backwards in order to maintain power. We could go full steam ahead and make Nicola Tesla proud of the lot of us…and the enemy cringe in fear.

        • Jesse James

          Archeofuturism is the path you are suggesting I think and I agree it does have promise. Nicola Tesla is my favorite Serb.

          • Sick of it

            Another thing to consider is the difference in morale. What cause would the enemy have to support but the destruction of freedom?

            We would offer freedom, faith, huge potential for prosperity, actual property ownership and rights (think allodial title to land), and a government much more akin to the original America that people so valiantly fought and died for…compared to a foreign terrorist pretending to be President who is hated by nations all over the earth.

          • Jesse James

            Sick that is how we see it but suppressing a secession by white Tea Party types fits in exactly with the current progressive socialist propaganda line. They would have no problem type casting us as villains who were trying to stop the “fundamental transformation” of the US into the final stage of the progressive Utopia. There line would be the secessionist are racist who fear the loss of our white privilege because we can’t compete with blacks and Hispanics. Mind you this is not what I believe I am just presenting it as Devil’s Advocate as it is the obvious direction their propaganda would take.

          • Sick of it

            Again, Obama has been shown for what he is and even the moderate types are seeing it clearly. Hardcore liberals will always be the way they are and we would have to fight a war against them in virtually any case.

          • Mergatroyd

            Obama knows he has the media on his side to demonize his opposition. This is what emboldens him to act as he does. He is nothing more than a puppet for the NWO masters he takes his orders from.

          • Mergatroyd

            If the enemy were non-white, which he is, then the thought of eradicating the white race is all the motive he needs. The media are doing a great job of pushing the message and priming non-whites that whites should be destroyed. Look at the black mob violence going on against whites while the media look the other way or even encourage it and the DOJ does nothing to stop it. This is emboldening low-impulse, unintelligent non-whites to become even more brazen in their attacks on whites.
            Let the situation in SA be your guide. Whites there are being slaughtered while blacks are singing “kill the boer” and UN does nothing.

          • Sick of it

            True, but I was referring to white troops or potential white troops. I expect every minority in this country to try to destroy us.

          • you forget their are some of us non whites who would like to live in a country that has limited government and true free enterprise to make a living but we have a tough road to slog fighting all types of racists white and non white communists and muzzies

    • Viking_61

      Don’t forget about all the carrier groups and nuclear ballistic missile submarines. Some of the commanders of these civilization-ending machines may well be good American patriots.

  • Mississippi is a red state, and is also a net services consumer state.

    Do you want to guess why?

    • Zaporizhian Sich

      That is in large measures 90 percent plus of the people there are paid poverty wages.

  • Sick of it

    You are forgetting about institutionalized brainwashing. It has made a worse generation every generation so far. The next one will be the Common Core generation. They will be slaves who will do as they are told.

    • ms_anthro

      On the contrary, I have met more realists among the youth than I have among any other demographic. From the mouths of babes…

      The brainwashing has become too ham-handed and obvious. Young people aren’t stupid, and they have the sort of recklessness and optimism that will allow them to tear the country apart at the seams if they so choose.

      It is our job to encourage their realism, validate the insanity and lies they see with their own eyes but are forbidden to acknowledge, and help them understand that they are not alone. Do you know a young person who trusts and respects you? Get them a copy of White Identity. Get them a copy of White Girl Bleed A Lot. Send them a link to The Color of Crime.

      We mustn’t fear the youth. They are literally the future and it’s our job to be their stewards.

      • Mergatroyd

        There’s a new edition out of White Girl Bleed A Lot, available for purchase.
        And, your are dead-on about the white youth being realists. They are the direct recipients of the “no whites allowed” when applying for jobs, admission to colleges, scholarships, etc.
        There are real consequences of AA and it is the white youth that are paying the heaviest price. Why bother to try when you’re going to be passed over for unqualified blacks or browns and told you are responsible for all the evils of the world.

      • Sick of it

        I remember the lessons of history. Giving them a generation to initiate an even more powerful brainwashing program is not a great idea. Plus, people are ticked off NOW. I expect things to ratchet up quite a bit in the next few years.

  • Xanthippe2

    I think the “redist” county in Calif. is Placer County — and it is majority Democrat. Calif. was conservative (and very White) a few decades ago. By no means ancient history. The same is in the works for elsewhere unless Whites speak up.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      No, I think the most conservative CA county is Modoc, and if memory serves, it’s an economically depressed area.

  • alex

    Just because state voted for Obama doesn’t mean that its contribution in federal taxes came mostly from Obama voters.

  • Jefferson

    If Liberals have it their way, Minnesota will turn into an extension of Somalia.

    • Mergatroyd

      They only survive there because morong like Lutheran Charities and the lefties in the government provide them with food, housing, clothing and heating. They were imported specifically to destroy white Minnesota.
      Wait until the Somalis are cut off. I give it one good winter.
      Whites survived ice ages, Africans did not. They do not have the future reference to prepare for a long, cold dark winter, but we do and will survive again.

      • Sick of it

        Lutherans have a long state-church history (including a history of killing Bible believing Christians) and many today are quite liberal.

  • Sick of it

    Because this time it will occur in opposition to the official government, which is operating illegally and in opposition to the will of the American people. This time they cannot talk about how we’re in the wrong without lying as usual. Congress currently has a 5% approval rating or something ridiculous like that.

  • Oof

    Hey racists. Please leave my country. I am all for this notion. Just go away, thanks. You guys can have Minnesota or something.

    • Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

      You’ll still be whining about racism when you’re getting the negrocalypse train run on you, fool. May you trip, fall, and find yourself in the middle of a negrolocaust … ahem, I mean an inner city.

    • Garrett Brown

      What does that even mean, “racist”?

      • Nathanwartooth

        It means he doesn’t agree with you so he calls you names.

  • M&S

    >>
    We’re just too big for DC to effectively manage.
    >>
    They said the same thing about Rome.
    Largely because the former colony states in Egypt and Spain got tired of defacto tributizing the continued welfare state existence of the corrupt peninsular government.
    But then the Huns came and the Romans couldn’t levy enough Legions to matter (the center Provinces not having had any standing armies in centuries) and it was up to the Aetius, who had grown up with Atilla to choose the lesser evil in the Germanic tribes as ‘allies’.
    Just like the Ethnic Wage Slavers today, Romans thought they could chain a dragon to cook Rome’s dinner and just like today, they made the mistake of letting these Foederati cross the damn river and ‘make it a permanent arrangement’.
    Valen’s Danube is our Rio Grande and just like him, we mistakenly believe that the peasants will accept menial wage enslavement without social welfare.
    The Mexicans are -everywhere-, in all aspects of our life. And unlike the blacks who run to any show of gold as a promise of handouts without work, they are smart enough to grab for -control- in things like agro, construction and manufacture.
    When Valens finally confronted his stupidity, it cost Rome a couple Legions and an Emperor at a little place called Adrianople.
    And the split of the Empires became the defacto -end of Roman world-.
    Because more of the steppe raiders came out of the woodwork, everywhere. And they drove the Germans out of the open plains and forests of Europe onto the essentially defenseless colony states a century after Rome got sacked.
    I am all for splitting into ethnostates. I want to see Afromerica fall on it’s bloated ass. I want to see Socialist Republic of Mexifornia turn into a agrodrug kleptocracy ruled by corrupt juntas and rival gangs.
    And I want to see Whites acknowledge, from some Festung Europa in the middle States, that we are better off rid of them than carrying their primitive level of genetic cultural expression within our own society.
    I don’t give a damn about socialist vs. capitalist approaches because they both have useful traits and applications and both are subject to getting the governance you participate in vs. the one you pay for.
    But genes are the parents of culture. And once lost to ‘blending’, they are gone forever.
    The problem in the telecoms era is not going to be about ‘too large to manage’. That’s rubbish sold on the basis of justifying intent to break the U.S. up and disenfranchise us from superpower status. By outside interests.
    Rather, any post-Union environment is going to be about whites holding onto -enough- resources to maintain our separate way of life without local overrun and breedout by ethnic populations who will displace and destroy what no longer serves their social welfare systemic needs.
    Fragment a majority rule governance enough and you gerrymander support weird outliers as the rise of corruption and conceit.
    Isolate the gene base of an ethnically homogenous people and you invite genocide by the breeding Hordes.
    We should know the difference.
    Because the disease of globalism is -resident- in Washington D.C. and ‘mismanagement’ is about creating the forcing conditions by which our economic collapse pushes us towards globalist rule.
    I don’t want our people to be responsible for babysitting the other races of this planet. I want to see us return to our roots as the pursuit of Western Cultural excellence, within our own genetic destiny.
    Robotics not mass labor industry.
    Enlightenment not bread and circus edutainment.
    Our own lives and work for our own children’s futures, not for other cuckoo birds to line our nests with the egss of their own bratlings exogroup elevation.

    • Terra Magnum Imperium

      I agree with your statement that the type of government does not matter much because Germany and Northern Europe all have large and successful welfare programs with little abuse.
      This shows me that a country with a mostly homogenous white population that socialism works.
      I guess we could always move the US Capital to St Louis a fairly central location…

      • M&S

        Germany in fact has -huge- problems inherent to an Eastern European and West Asian (Turkish and Syrian) workforce that they brought into Germany to reinitiate their economy using funds that the Nazis had squirreled away in the Flight Capital/Feurland efforts.
        They had the money, but they didn’t have the manpower, having lost huge numbers of men to the war and to partition, after.
        A ‘temporary’ solution in the 1960s has become permanent and now Germans feel so dispossessed in their own homelands that they are ‘greying out’ as record numbers emigrate -anywhere- outside their borders, before committing to children. Switzerland, Argentina, Australia, America and Canada. And they are rich which means that they are welcome. Usually (see racial favoritism as quota crap).
        Such abandonment in place takes the working generation, the breeding generation and delays the introduction of the next generation all in one swoop. And generates massive holes in the tax base which are made worse because many Turks are going home and taking their skills sets with them.
        And those that stay are socially unfit to move up in the work place as salary base and so live as bottom feeders, on state welfare.
        All this being exacerbated by Angela Merkel’s government who are schizoid in their attitudes to say the least.
        One day scolding Germans (who have had quite enough of outsiders as both NATO and Muslims) that they should accept that the call to prayer will ‘forever more’ be singing out over the German countryside.
        And the next announcing (because brave men like Sarrazin show the proof in crime rates, joblessness, class payments into social welfare etc.) that yes, multicult-uralism is an abject failure.
        The sadness being that the everyday German who is left in the country is not of the same Herrenvolk stock as his rich countrymen who strive to escape the demographic disaster looming over their country so they can’t hold the line, even if the wage slaves went home tomorrow.
        Whites will have to admit that, racially, we are a breed apart and thus entitled and _needing_ to draw a line /some where/ denoting that ‘this our homeland’ and ours alone.
        Or we will overrun by the breeder groups and vanish like drowning victims in wave after wave of destructive amalgamation as ‘blending out’.
        Part of this may well mean acknowledging that there are benefits to socialist institutions. Because it is the pursuit of unrestricted capitalism that is disenfranchising our people. Capitalism spits in the face of higher physics as the three basic laws of Thermodynamics:
        1. You can never get more Work Product out than you put Energy into a system. Where energy is raw materials as well as electromotive or IC based, there is a fixed functional limit to the number of people you can ‘entice’ to live a Western Style ruled existence by sharing our wealth. And yet those same people are the ones whose lives and resources you expect to coopt for every more cheap, slave, labor.
        2. You can never have more efficiency in the translation of E->WP than the total number of 1-2-3-4-5 process step losses inbetween. Which is anathema to capitalism which always seeks to create ‘more work’ as less efficiency because by _owning added processes_ through investment as stocks and bonds, you pay for the creation of more and more upper class positions whose _virtual value_ (as moneyed wealth) is all an illusion because they do no work. Through threat of denial of monetary exchange for items which -do- have value, they own the work, at a penny per back, of everyone else. Where raw materials that could be made _at the point of consumption_ into marketable goods are instead sent halfway around the planet with multiple intermediate refinement and manufacturing stops, the entire concept of ‘cheaper from China’ is rendered bogus because each one of those steps has to be paid for.
        3. All systems are natively entropic. Which is quite simply Malthusian Ethics in action. Forget consumer goods, let’s talk about clean water, electricity and food, the more you use of a given resource to enable the dispersion of other resources, elsewhere, the faster you consume all resources and the faster you consume, the less is left and harder you have to work to recover, refine and deliver it. As efficiency losses are defacto built in from the moment you begin depletion until a tipping point where the delivery rates drop off like a cliff. Here too, the only thing we are adding is people and it’s the dumbest ones who are breeding the most.
        You don’t have to be a communist to understand that the physics of what we are doing is unsustainable. We are headed towards a PONR threshold where ‘purely for profit’ based international capitalism will be a death knell to the soul of our people who are used to having the very best in trade for hard work and disciplined living but where our industry is offshored and these back of beyond barbarian nations demand that they get the best cut because they are the ones doing the drudge’s share of the 50 cents an hour bulk manufacture of goods for global consumerism, that is not a good idea.
        And the only way we will be able to tell them to buzz off is if we can do it ourselves, cheaper. So that internal mercantile economies can support reindustrialization of the homelands.
        The only way to beat slave economics is with robot economics and since robots neither consume goods nor earn salaries, the rich will be in a bad way when it comes to justifying their lifestyles by as a function of charging us for what they make for free.
        It is because of these simple thermodynamic realities as Us against The Horde and the depletion of resources past the point of living with throwaway consumerism in trade for ‘moneyed wealth’ (virtual value = no real worth) that our entire concept of living will have to undergo a massive change.
        Because make work will have to be among the first things to go in a ‘service economy’ that presently thrives on thermodynamic waste.

  • negrolocaust

    i pulled up to get gas yesterday and i walked in and as i was walking out a former slave said to me ” hey yo gimme 5 on 6″ … ha ha i just laughed and right at his face real disrespectful !! ha ha, i said “i do not work here” so he gets mad and he starts to jump in my face right ? ha ha , my shepherd stuck his big head out of the window and showed his teeth !! ha ha haaaaaa!! this black just sulks away mumbling BLACKS ARE HELLA SCARED OF GERMAN SHEPHERDS!! ….. I LOVE IT!!!

    • Garrett Brown

      No you didn’t. You’re probably 12 years old.

    • Garrett Brown

      No you didn’t, you’re probably 12 years old.

  • Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

    The vision of true America died when the North attacked the South for using its right to secede.

    • JohnEngelman

      After defeating the Confederacy the United States went on to become the strongest and richest country in the world.

      • robinbishop34

        We now know there are things much more important than that.

      • Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

        And?

        • JohnEngelman

          Your “vision of true America” seems to include slavery.

          • Nathanwartooth

            I highly doubt anyone on this site actually wants slavery to have continued.

            Most people realize what a horrible mistake it was and that repatriation is the only real solution.

          • MBlanc46

            Perhaps they realize that now, but the overwhelming majority of southerners did not realize that in 1860-61.

      • Garrett Brown

        You’re missing the part where he said “true America”, not most powerful America.

        • JohnEngelman

          Sorin, Lord of Innistrad’s “vision of true America” seems to include slavery.

          • Sorin, Lord of Innistrad

            Wrong. It’s states’ rights and autonomy. Idiot.

      • alex

        Correlation doesn’t mean causation,

        • JohnEngelman

          People always say that when they do not want to acknowledge a causal relationship.

          • alex

            Do you have any proof that defeat of the Confederacy caused the USA to become the strongest and richest country in the world?
            I can say that after assassination of Lincoln, the United States went on to become the strongest and richest country in the world.

          • JohnEngelman

            Casual relationships are impossible to prove in history because we cannot go back in time, choose a different policy, and measure different results.

            What matters is that after crushing the Confederacy the United States did become the richest and strongest country in the world.

            Without industry the Confederacy would not have amounted to much. Without the manpower of the South the United States would have been less powerful militarily.

          • alex

            What would’ve happened if the Confederacy had crashed the United States?

          • JohnEngelman

            What do you mean by “crashed?”

            The Confederacy never had the power to invade and conquer the United States.

          • alex

            I know I am dreaming but wouldn’t it be nice?

          • Completely agree, even Lee’s raid into Pennsylvania (Gettysburg, July, 1863) was planned as just that: a raid to get stuff and maybe threaten Washington a bit.

            Jefferson Davis was never the strategist that Lincoln was. All he needed to do was keep the Union out of the heart of the Confederacy. They never had the power to occupy the North.

          • In that light, the Gettysburg battle was not needed.

            If my orders were a raid in force, I would never fight a pitched battle against a good position. Get around behind them, make them very unhappy, and then get out of Dodge. Gettysburg was criminal.

          • Luca

            Not only was it not needed. The battle of Gettysburg was not planned. Both sides blundered into it. It was a series of ever growing improvisations and skirmishes that developed into some larger battles. The fate of the South was sealed upon Picketts “suicidal” poorly planned charge and the failure on Little Round Top.

            Of course we all sit here doing this Monday morning quarterbacking and hindsight is always 20-20, but Lee would have been better off adopting the guerrilla tactics of Mosby’s raiders for this particular foray.

          • I think what happened was that Lee was riding high, the Army of the Potomic (North) had a brand new comander and Lee thought that a raid in force would demoralize the North and make a very strong statement. England’s Parliament was deciding on whether to recognize the Confederacy and send supply ships there to break the Union blocakade. How that would’ve fared is another question.

            Anyhow Lee’s genius Cavalry commander: J.E.B. Stuart was tasked to scout out the Union Army. He got carried away capturing some Union wagons and without guidance the Confed Army blundered into the Union position.

            Lee & Longstreet thought they could scare the Union Army out of Gettsburg but it held it’s ground & basically the Confederate Army was wrecked at Gettsburg. From that moment on, diplomatic recognition of the Conderacy by European Powers evaporated and things for the South went downhill steadily.

          • It was the wrong terrain.

          • Nathanwartooth

            While I think that you are wrong in this situation because I believe no matter what had happened to the Blacks in the country, history would have been about the same until 1960.

            But you are correct when you say that people pull out the “correlation doesn’t imply causation” when they don’t want to believe whatever it is you are saying.

            For example, tell a mainstream person that IQ correlates inversely with crime and that Blacks have a low IQ. The person would say “But correlation doesn’t equal causation! Oh and IQ was created by Nazis to make non-Whites look bad!!!!”

            But then you would say “Well the only evidence for anthropological global warming is the correlation between CO2 and temperature. So does that mean that AGW isn’t true either?”. Then they would probably just call you a racist bigot because there is nothing else to say.

      • Sick of it

        Interesting, considering that poverty has become more pronounced in our country since that time as REAL WEALTH has been either destroyed or stolen. We were the richest nation in the world before the Civil War.

    • South Carolina made a tragic blunder when they shelled Ft. Sumter. Yes, it blocked access to the harbor at Charleston, but starting a shooting war is rarely a useful way in which to get things done properly.

      • Actually, the Union feller holding Fort Sumpter, agreed to Confederate demands that he vacate the fort by a certain date. He was essentially under blocakade and no longer could buy food from Charleston. I “think” but am not certain that Lincoln said the Fort would be evacuated on a certain date.

        It is true that by shelling the fort and starting the war, the South enraged the Northern population and greatly assisted Lincoln in mobilizing the Northern Armies. It was a less useful move than Pearl Harbor even for the Japanese.

        • The worst thing about the Pacific War was that the US insistence that Japan withdraw from China did not include Manchuria. Those stupid diplomats never addressed this issue. The USA also wanted colonialism in the Far East to end. We had promised the Philippines independence in 1943, and the British had likewise given their word to India.

          The Pacific War was thus fought by mistake.

        • Pale Rider

          Incorrect, actually.
          The first act of war was when Lincoln blockaded the Confederate port of Charleston Harbor. The firing on Ft Sumpter was actually the second act of war.

          • Actually I don’t recall the port being effectively blockaded until much later in the war, maybe 1863 or later. Lincoln did declare a blockade of all Southern ports early in the war (April 19th, 1861) but this was a ‘paper blockade’ as he didn’t [yet] have the Navy to enforce it.

            According to wiki, the 1st shots of the Civil War were fired (by the South on Jan 9th, 1861) at an UNARMED merchant ship (the Star of the West), carrying relief supplies to Maj. Anderson inside the Fort.

            Thus you are correct in that technically the shots fired by the South at Ft. Sumpter were not the 1st shots or the CW, the shots fired by the South at the relief ship were. However the bombardment of Ft. Sumpter (April 12th, 1861) got the North agitated and are most noted in history.

  • Garrett Brown

    Glad they’re finally waking up in Commie Cali.

    • itdoesnotmatter

      Don’t hold your breath. For every awakened, half way intelligent, race realistic, authentically conservative white, there are 100 uber-libtards.

      Sad to say, uneducated, lower lower class California whites on welfare, EBT, etc., vote gibsmedat party too, but not as a matter of politics. It’s the seductive free stuff, a steady income higher than one with no skills can make at a menial job.

      • Garrett Brown

        Why was my comment deleted???

      • Garrett Brown

        Why was my comment deleted?

        • itdoesnotmatter

          I don’t know, I didn’t see it. Try posting it again using different wording.

          I’ve been mod’ed before and not known why, too.

  • Spartacus

    Then fight them !

  • Fr. John+

    IF the South secedes, and awakens to the evils of multiculturalism, starting with what’s black and white in front of our faces, I’d be the first to move there with my family.

  • Not even white women. White women under 25 did vote Obama, but white men under 25 also voted Obama.

    Really the dichotomy is obvious. It’s the Sailer Correlation.

    You will find that the areas of these states that are pushing for statehood movements are generally red areas, and they’re red areas because they have high percentages of people who are white adults involved in traditional nuclear families.

    • sbuffalonative

      Yes, red-state minded people want to leave because they know their incompatible with blue-state minded people and they know they could go it alone. Blue-state minded people want us to stay because in their hearts and minds, they know they couldn’t make their Utopia work without productive people to support it.

  • ok, I will try this one more time.

    I speak to you today of REAL politics. Theory and evidence.

    History, fake and real.

    I have gone over this 100 times with you all, it seems.

    I tire of it, but this is very important.

    I agree with most of what Pat says above.

    But he is missing a lot, and I will speak of that today.

    Secession is the best way ahead for the white race.

    For the white working class, that is.

    However, secession is poison for the rich and powerful, the corporations.

    The elite want bigger nations, and the people want smaller nations.

    Smaller is better for the white majority.

    Bigger is better for the elite/rich/corporations.

    The white working class wants to be and live and work with others like themselves. Why? I will address that here today.

    The rich/corporations want to mix and integrate and enlarge.

    Why these differences?

    Let’s go right back to the source.

    Over 200 years ago the rich came up with the idea for a pseudo-democratic nation.

    The pseudo-democratic nation is based on giving the rich/corporations more control over the government and giving the majority less control over the government.

    The so-called founding fathers created the USA, the first pseudo-democracy.

    There, everyone is allowed to vote, but the majority control of the govt is decreased by increasing the size of the voting districts.

    Why increase the size of voting districts? Because more people in the district means more factions. A voting district with a population of one has no factions.

    A voting district with the size of a million has many more factions.

    A voting district with two towns has more factions that a district with one town.

    A voting district with just farmers has fewer than a district with farmers and white collar workers.

    A voting district with just whites has fewer factions than a district with blacks, whites, asians etc.

    What is the deal with factions?

    Factions decrease unity among the voters.

    A district with just whites is more united than one with whites, blacks, asians etc.

    What is it with unity?

    The more unified the voters, the more control they have over their politicians, which means they have more control over their govt.

    Imagine a district that has only clones in it. Each voter is the same as the other. They then elect a politician to represent them. Then imagine a district with whites, blacks, asians, foreigners in it. They elect a politician to represent.

    Which politician is going to have to be more accountable to the voters? Which politician is going to be able to better represent the voters?

    That is what the elite did 200 years ago in america. They ditched the articles of confederation wherein each state was more or less independent. And they formed a federal govt that was comprised of ENLARGED districts. The presdential voting district, the senate voting district and the House districts. All federal. All these districts were larger than the districts that were previously in control at the state level.

    Larger districts, more factions, less control for the majority, more control for the rich/corporations.

    This was all spelled out in madison’s writings–the notes for the constitutional convention, his federalist papers, his letter to jefferson.
    Read these books to get more background: fresia’s online book TOWARD AN AMERICAN REVOLUTION, and Holton’s book UNRULY AMERICANS.

    That is why the elite created the USA and the EU–to enlarge districts and lessen majority control. That is also one reason the elite love mass immigration–it increases factions.

    Sigh…another day’s useless energies spent….but we decide which is real…and which is an illusion…

    • SFLBIB

      Not useless. It’s the first time I’ve encountered your interesting theory, and I got something out it. Thx.

    • Northern American-Nationalist

      That’s an interesting analysis for sure. Have you heard that the original Bill of Rights included twelve amendments, not only ten? It was recommended amendments three through twelve that were approved as the U.S. constitution’s first ten amendments, and then one of the first two recommendations became our latest U.S. constitutional amendment two hundred years later, which has an interesting story as to how that came about that you should look up, but there’s one of those original twelve still “on the books” that never received enough official passes from the states, and it deals with the issue you’ve discussed here. The oddity is that there were some curious irregularities with its wording that likely caused the potential amendment’s disuse. The amendment capped and/or gave a formula for how large, by population, a House of Representatives district could become! Please look that up too because I believe it is a worthwhile venture to put political support behind, and legally it’s apparently still passable.

      • That other “out there” amendment, Congress withdrew from consideration for ratification after what we now call the 27th amendment was ratified.

        • Northern American-Nationalist

          Oh, really? I knew that Congress discussed that possibility, but I hadn’t heard that they went through with it; apparently, any legitimate threat to their power must be expunged immediately! I would argue what they did wasn’t even constitutional, but I bet they had no such discussion.

    • “The so-called founding fathers created the USA, the first pseudo-democracy.
      There, everyone is allowed to vote, but the majority control of the
      govt is decreased”

      I believe that up until around 1850 there was a property requirement to vote. This was instituted specifically because they (framers of the Constitution) didn’t want people who had nothing being easily bought by politicians promising them other peoples’ money.

      • agreed only those who own property or pay taxes should vote if you are on welfare you should not be able to vote.

        • Sick of it

          Personally, I have a simple view of property ownership and voting in mind. As long as one owns some land, numbers are unimportant, they would have a right to vote. Some can only afford a half-acre, others a thousand acres, but all would have a stake in the future of our country. We also should go back to the original qualifications for citizenship as devised by the Founders before they withdrew their Federal law in favor of State laws.

      • the property requirement was taken out during the creation of the federal govt. The elite wanted to keep it in, but they could not get enough votes for ratification of the constitution.

        However, regarding your statement that our oh so benevolent founder just had our best interests in mind and were just looking out for us in every way, please give me your wallet, your house and all your money. Your unhealthy lifestyle is no good for you. You will live longer if you eat less.

  • DiversityIsDeath

    Ha, the white hating liberals wouldn’t be dumb enough to allow the least troublesome and most productive part of society— hard working, tax paying, law abiding White conservatives– to secede. No, the liberals will never allow the “evil white Red State racists” to get away because they know damn well that this demonized group is propping up the whole house of cards.

    • sbuffalonative

      They won’t let us leave because they know they couldn’t support their Utopia without us.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        They won’t have a choice when we are finally pushed far enough. There will be a day of reckoning.

    • ms_anthro

      Why would we ask their permission? We will leave no matter what they want to “let” us do.

      Break your mental chains.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        They don’t believe in following any white man’s law, and neither does the current regimes in Washington D.C. We need to play it from this angle, IOW, there is no rule of law.

  • ms_anthro

    And who composes our military? Many blacks and browns, true, but also corn-fed White boys from red counties all over the US. Do you really think they would follow orders to fire on their own people? Maybe some would, but most wouldn’t. Desertions and the fragging of traitorous superiors would become commonplace.

    We also saw what our alphabet soup agencies are like under pressure during the Boston Marathon bomber manhunt. If that’s what we’re up against, perhaps we have less to fear from Leviathan’s shock troops than we think.

    We shouldn’t underestimate our enemy, but let’s not make them out to be invincible and omnipotent. “They” are people who bleed, just like we do.

    • Sick of it

      The many black soldier on white soldier attacks have surely made them a bit skeptical of the usual narrative.

    • Erasmus

      We shouldn’t underestimate our enemy, but let’s not make them out to be invincible and omnipotent.

      Well said. Few foresaw the break-up of the old Soviet Union, and the similarities now between them and the US now are striking.

      Moreover, it was fiscal crises that finally set in motion the English Civil War of the 1640s and The French Revolution. History never repeats itself precisely, but it remains a good guide to present and future events.

  • ms_anthro

    Houston is under Marxist control? Please explain.

    • Sick of it

      Consider their powerful zoning laws, among other things. Austin is a more obvious Marxist city, as is San Antonio.

  • ms_anthro

    You don’t ask your enemies for permission. You just do it, and you do it to win. The regime wouldn’t let us go without a fight, so that’s something to take into grave consideration. Are we willing to fight? It’s a personal question we have to ask ourselves individually.

  • ms_anthro

    Because we are moving past the point of asking Washington’s permission to do what we need to do to protect ourselves, our culture, our history, our way of life, and our future. Elections are far less important than other actions we can take.

    • Mergatroyd

      We will only fight back when our resources are threatened. When our water sources are cut off from us, our means of providing sustenance for ourselves and families, our land co opted and given to non-whites as in SA.
      It will be as it was in the Ukraine in the 30s when the Soviets gathered up all the food and let the people starve, by the tens of millions.
      Difference? We are heavily armed, many of us have military experience and the government’s troops are composed of non-whites with low IQs.

      • NoMosqueHere

        A big problem today are the tens of millions of high IQ whites who don’t care that america is becoming a third world country. I don’t see that changing any time soon.

        • QuinnTheEskimo9

          Then they will be culled, as they should be, when the separation starts.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        You can be sure the racial and religious aliens who are the real governors of the country intend to create another Holodomor here. They will do this for the purpose of decimating the white population and preventing us from either seceding or overthrowing them. Even if we are armed, if most of us are starving to death, we won’t be able to fight them off. Because of drones and other technology unknown in the Ukraine during the 1930’s, they could render it impossible for us to grown enough food to feed ourselves, unless we plan for the bio-terrorism they can employ against us. That is in a nutshell, creating and deploying diseases to attack a people by destroying food supplies, creating famines, Those who cannot be named love to starve other peoples to death en masse, Ukrainians were not the only victims. Germans were too.

        • Sick of it

          Germans were the victims at least twice no less.

          • QuinnTheEskimo9

            Germans were the victims of what? Mass starvation? Yes, during the Weimar Republic and after WW II. Starvation and worse at the hand of the allies, especially the Russians.

          • Sick of it

            And the French/British colonial troops.

          • Jesse James

            Don’t forget that even AFTER the Armistance was signed at the end of WWI the British maintained a starvation blockade against Germany for an entire year.

          • Zaporizhian Sich

            The Western powers also starved the Germans, before the war and after. Let’s not forget whose actions made it possible for the Nazis to take power in the first place, and who financed the Bolsheviks too.

      • Zaporizhian Sich

        Don’t think for one moment the hostile aliens ruling the nation are not planning to create another Holodomor for the purpose of decimating us, and ensuring even if we rebel we would lose. They did it in Ukraine and caused the deaths of as many as 12 million Ukrainians, but many sources indicate at least 7 million died in one year. Many of them were children, KGN guards also shot children to death for gathering up kernels of grain from fields. Also Germans were left to starve before, during and after WW-II. We can grow our own food, but do not forget they could use drones and other means to destroy food supplies or make it impossible to grow any sort of food in a given area. Of course, if they do this, then there will be no other option but to go to war, and as part of our strategy no doubt we would return the favor. The Ukrainians most certainly did during the Second World War.

    • NoMosqueHere

      You don’t need anyone’s permission. If you control the congress and the presidency you can do what you want. And I want to change the immigration laws to favor whites. For me, that’s job one.

      • ms_anthro

        What I’m saying is you can do what you want whether you control the talking puppets in government or not. We are free human beings with or without their permission. It’s astounding what an armed populace can accomplish when it decides to stop obeying the unjust laws of its own government.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Sounds a bit like anarchism. Do you believe in the constitution and republican government our founding fathers created?

          • ms_anthro

            It’s not anarchism any more than it was anarchism when the Founding Fathers revolted against the English tyrants who sought to enslave them.

            As I have posted elsewhere, I am a Constitutionalist. The monstrous government that purports to represent us no longer adheres to the Constitution and is actively working against the American people, its most dangerous enemy. I believe in the Constitution but the sociopaths who have sworn to uphold it do not, and thus I owe them no allegiance or loyalty. They are usurpers.

          • WR_the_realist

            Precisely. We long ago gave up any notion that congress is limited to the powers granted to it by the Constitution. But now we don’t even bother to uphold the 4th Amendment. Liberals never cared about limiting congress to its enumerated powers, but even they claimed to want the Bill of Rights. I say this to the liberals: If you claim to be able to hang any program you want on the commerce clause and the statement that laws must be “for the general welfare”, then don’t be surprised when the neocons decide that the obligation of the federal government to provide for the national defense trumps the first, fourth, and fifth amendments.

          • Sick of it

            You’re joking? The members of the government we complain about the most have committed literal treason and stand unjudged. They have far exceeded their constitutional authority. They are taking away our rights as American citizens.

          • NoMosqueHere

            Don’t we still have the right to vote?

          • ms_anthro

            Yes but there’s only one name on the ballot, essentially. And the fox is guarding the henhouse when it comes to the count.

            How many dead people voted for Obama? How many people voted multiple times for that grinning charlatan? We’ll never know, because there’s no way to hold them accountable. Voting is a sham and no sane person can look at the US today and believe that it will really change anything. Both parties are controlled by the same globalist interests. No matter who “wins” (is installed), we lose.

          • Sick of it

            Apparently rigged voting. Plus, what votes have stopped this tyrannical government from doing what they please? They’re cracking down on those dangerous Amish farmers for growing their own food and collecting their own milk for sale…meanwhile, we are importing Chinese food products containing MELAMINE, which is potentially deadly to the human body.

  • blight14

    100% correct……

  • Mergatroyd

    Good job demoralizing this thread and forum. Keep it up. We whites need all the demoralizing we can get, especially on pro-white sites like this. It’s great you let us know every day on every thread through your many posts how stupid and evil we whites are. I used to think you posted statist drivel, but no longer. Your posts are brilliant and do a better job of demonizing whites than the media and schools combined.

    I’m glad AR doesn’t delete your posts, we whites need to be put in our place, especially evil Republicans which is all whites who aren’t Democrats according to your posts.. Just who do we think we are? More of us should listen to your advice. We have NO right to exist and should be honored that we are being replaced by superior Asians, blacks and Mexicans, for past bad acts we’ve done like slavery. We have no right to demand a homeland for our people and deserve to face genocide by our betters.

    You’ve done a good job convincing me that I should support Obama’s NWO, the one that wants to genocide me. From now on, because of your convincing arguments in favor of white genocide, I’m going to vote for non-white, lefties who wish to destroy the white race.

    All of us should heed your wise advice and line up immediately against the nearest wall.

    • JohnEngelman

      Your comment is an example of the straw man argument. In a straw man argument one does not refute an argument; one refutes a distortion of that argument.

      I never said that blacks and Mexicans are superior to white Gentiles. Indeed in numerous posts I have said the opposite. My chief regret about slavery is the slave trade. I do not believe Negroes should have been brought over to the thirteen colonies and later to the United States as slaves. I do not believe they should have been allowed to immigrate here either.

      I do not advocate the genocide of whites. I only point out that is it not happening.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        You are an anti-white who advocates the race replacement of whites with Asians. That makes you pro genocide of the white race.

        • JohnEngelman

          How am I anti white?

          How do I advocate race displacement?

          How do I advocate genocide?

          Behind your accusations is the fear that whites cannot compete intellectually with Orientals.

          • I agree asians seem to ignore communist speil because they live through undemocratic regimes since their earliest history american whites get easily distracted because they are not used to living in that mind set and how to survive that is why it was easy to dumb them down since the 60’s

        • ms_anthro

          The real mystery is why anyone still responds to him at all.

      • I agree with your first two paragraphs.

      • I am not white but I do think blacks are targeting whites though

        • Blacks hate everyone, even each other. I’m 13/16 white, and my wife is Japanese, but the writing is on the wall: blacks and civilization can not co-exist.

          • Luca

            Negroes do best in Negroland. Africa.

  • Mergatroyd

    If our economy goes down and the dollar becomes worthless, which is exactly what is happening, there will be worldwide consequences, especially in China, none of which will be good for those countries.

    • Nathanwartooth

      We aren’t as important to China as you would think.

      I heard on NPR that if we stopped buying all products from them right now it would only reduce their GDP by like 5%.

      In other words, they would take a hit but easily survive.

      • ms_anthro

        Well if you heard it on NPR it must be true! I’m not saying I don’t believe you but do you have another more reputable source than National Progressive Radio?

        • Nathanwartooth

          Yeah I hate them too. Listening to them for too long makes my brain feel like it’s going to explode from all of the misinformation.

          But no, sorry, I don’t.

  • Caledwych

    It’s nice to see this seep into the MSM.The leftist St. Louis Post Dispatch had an old liberal columnist named Bill McClellan who succinctly said what has been said on here;the US has simply gotten too big and is ungovernable.A LIBERAL said this!Of course,he didn’t mention that the USA has gotten “too diverse”—that’s blasphemy,as we all know in leftspeak—but people can read between the lines.The 50 United States have the power to invade Iraq.The hypothetical nation of Illinois,Wisconsin and Iowa–Illowasconsin?—doesn’t have the means or the inclination to invade Iraq.
    We are on our way….and I would venture that millions of white people think this way and will start to say it in the coming years.

    • I wouldn’t get too excited by McClellan. I bet his column went something like this:

      “America is ungovernable, because my precious Obama is only getting 90% of what he wants, and not 100%, because those evil Republicans and teab*****s are getting in the way of the final 10% of Obama’s agenda which is the difference between our hell and utopia.”

      When lib says “ungovernable,” he’s complaining about libs not being able to be autocrats.

      • Caledwych

        Google it from about a week or two ago,QD…it will surprise you because it surprised the hell out of me.McClellan,to my memory,didn’t mention a word about the Messiah or the GOP;just some anecdotes about how some of his old friends are contemplating emigration and “maybe” the country has just gotten too big and unwieldy.I saw it as a good thing…like this tired platitude-spouting leftard is finally realizing in his golden years that the Kumbaya-style multicultural paradise that he and his ilk envisioned just isn’t meant to be:)

        • ms_anthro

          Just wait until he’s being “cared” for by exclusively AA hires in the nursing home. I wonder if the enormity of his idiocy will dawn on him then?

        • LH_Oswald

          The article is titled ” I blame Robert E Lee “.

  • Nathanwartooth

    This is just bullcrap and it’s easy to tell from the voter percentages and then cross referencing that with the welfare numbers.

    • JohnEngelman

      Welfare recipients seldom vote.

      • alex

        They changed their voting habits when Obama was running.

      • Sick of it

        I know that is completely untrue where I live. The black community has fairly routine voter registration drives and they push them all to vote a certain way.

        • JohnEngelman

          I would be interested in reading a survey of the topic.

          The Congressional election of 1994 gave the Republicans majorities in both houses of Congress. A reporter for the San Francisco Chronicle thought that this was bad news for welfare recipients, so he visited several welfare offices to see what the welfare recipients thought of the election. None that he talked to had voted. Many were unaware that an election had taken place.

          I did my own research after the presidential elections of 2008 and 2012. I visited several black bars in my predominantly black city. The televisions were on sports events or situation comedies, not the election. No one I talked to had voted. No one seemed to care.

          Helping poor people politically is like helping endangered animal species. They do not help back.

          • Sick of it

            It could be regional differences again. Around here we have a very active NAACP.

          • In the black community, it is middle aged to elderly black women that disproportionately do the voting. Midterms are generally low turnout for Democrat-leaning minority groups.

            You’ll find a circa 30-year old black woman welfare recipient with several kids that votes in a midterm election as often as you’ll find a Swedish supermodel in my arms.

          • Luca

            These black welfare recipients vote very nicely when they are organized by unions, Acorn, and community organizers.

            According to the Washington Post black voter turnout rates exceeded White rates in 2012.

            If a black doesn’t show up to vote, a black poll worker will pull the lever for him.

            The dregs will always come out of the woodwork to vote for more handouts.

            Politicians kept blacks here after the Civil War rather than ship them back to Africa because they were a group who could easily be swayed with a bottle of whiskey and a promise of 40 acres and a mule in return for their vote.

            Democrats realized this a little late and did a 180 degree turnaround, from preventing them from voting to pandering to their votes.

          • “Pull the lever for him”

            And there’s the missile hitting its target. Shaniqua LeEbt wouldn’t register to vote given her own propensities, but she is registered when she signs up for welfare and also renews for welfare. Since Shaniqua LeEbt has a new address every few years, she’s registered to vote in every place she has ever lived, and good luck purging her registration from where she doesn’t live. Shaniqua LeEbt won’t vote herself, but if she’s registered to vote at her current address and the four previous where she has lived while being on welfare, there’s the chance for five votes in five different precincts being cast in her name.

            Padding the voter rolls with registrants is the keystone to voter fraud.

          • Luca

            Your’e right, but your dancing on the tip of the iceberg. Voter fraud is rampant in many places but under-reported in the media. There are a number of ways of committing it too. I saw a YouTube video where a black woman openly admitted to voting 6 times.

            Romney would have lost anyway, but the fraud was very widespread.

            Why do you think the liberals are in a panic over voter ID laws?

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        I call BS. They are bused into the voting polls by activists, sometimes several voting venues in one day. They make use of the same-day voter registration in places like Minnesota where activists bus them around the state to vote repeatedly. They also make use of early voting to commit voter fraud which.

        As usual, you have drunk deeply from the well of ignorance.

      • Nathanwartooth

        My step cousins (grandfathers first wife) do work for the Democrats around election time.

        They drove into the ghettos and picked up vanloads of Blacks over and over the entire day in this past presidential election.

        Sure, they don’t normally vote on their own but there is a ton of people pushing them to vote.

        But in the end, it doesn’t matter if those numbers are correct or not.

        If the nation did split, the people who joined either side would be willing to make sacrifices to make it work. Also, the federal government is 17 trillion in debt, so it looks like the main party supporting America is the federal reserve.

  • RHG

    Of course the Democrats hate all this talk of secession because they want to force white Republicans to finance the failures of their multicult policies.

    • ms_anthro

      White Republicans are flooding our country with unassimilable illegal invaders with gusto. Stop pretending there’s any substantial difference between the elephants and the jackasses. They serve the same masters.

  • RHG

    What is funny is that to leftwing Democrats people who talk “secession” are just a bunch of inbred hillbillies lacking any ability to think without government involvement. You would think they would be happy to rid themselves of us, but no, they want us around as a source of tax money to finance their welfare state and provide a boogeyman for them.

    • QuinnTheEskimo9

      until there is nothing left to tax. After that, our bank accounts, retirement accounts and eventually our land will be confiscated to feed the welfare state. After we have served our purpose and are a small, hated minority, we will be hunted down like rats and killed off.

      • You mean like what’s happening today in South Africa or Zimbabwe (ex-Rhodesia) or all over the African continent? In 1900 there were more whites living in South Africa than Blacks. This makes me very sad about the Boer War: a terrible mistake by the UK.

    • agree if they hate the right so much let them go and form their own states

  • Xanthippe2

    Thanks for that! It would appear that many of the blue areas have large concentrations of Mexicans. Shocking, I know. This is mentioned, but not really emphasized in the article. (I will avoid another sarcastic remark.)

    • itdoesnotmatter

      You are welcome. Don’t get me started on our vibrancy in this brown invaded, colonized state. I probably could match you snide for snide in a sarc-off contest.

  • Ella

    The trick of the corrupt government is they will probably NOT raise federal taxes on US citizens in order to pay for loaded welfare programs, war and pork projects. Govt. will continue to borrow and print money as we witness in these debt ceiling talks. Govt. also borrows against itself. Rome and Colonial Spain manipulated their currencies badly for years until financial and territory collapse. And so will America.

    • MBlanc46

      You are probably correct. We are a very divided nation that cannot muster the political will to determine how we want to organize and manage our national affairs. With the globalization of capital, the corporate elites no are longer tethered to the fate of the nation. They can continue to do very well while the country goes down the chute.

    • Epiminondas

      The military is used as an enforcement agency for the US dollar. Nations like Venezuela, Iran, Russia, and others who don’t play along come under pressure. Those hundreds of US military bases around the globe aren’t there to “protect freedom”. They’re there to make sure our dollar remains supreme. We make billions off the carrying trade of moving our currency around.

      • QuinnTheEskimo9

        Until the whole house of cards comes crashing down, which it will. Government cannot continue to print money indefinitely, inflation is already hitting but the govermedia are covering it up as much as possible. Notice how so many products have suddenly shrunk over the past two years or so?
        No country based on fiat currency has ever survived, and the U.S. won’t either. Ditto for China and the Euro union.

    • While not an expert in either late Roman nor Colonial Spanish currencies, I do know something about them. Could you please provide more backup to your point about the debasement of Roman & Spanish currencies? I’d like to know more as I’m intested in the economies of both these eras as I collect their coins as a hobby. Paper money did not circulate in these places at this time, and I don’t believe bills of trade had much credit unless they were backed up soon by precious metal coinage.

      The economics of the Roman era were different than today as they couldn’t issue a fiat currency. Base metal coins (silver and heavy bronze) did indeed disappear from circulation probably from 300 AD for the bronze and 350 AD for the silver. However, the Roman Imperium maintained a gold coinage: the solidus, and it’s subdivision, the tremissis, right up until the end (476 AD). Both of these were struck in pure or nearly pure gold until the end. (I have samples of each: they’re NOT rare). My avatar is one of the last Provincial large bronze coins struck and is quite rare (possibly unique) from 270 AD.

      With Colonial Spain, they did a secret devaluation of their gold coinage from ~93.1% around 1760 which eventually fell to 87.5% (J.E. Restrepo). However that was after their heyday has passed (early 1600’s) and they were well into their decline. Still I’d hardly scoff at an 87.5% pure large gold coin if I were a merchant of the day.

      • Ella

        I’m aware of Rome and ancient cultures using metals for their currency. I studied some Ancient cultures years ago and came across historical information. I visited some museums both in Rome and Athens. The Denarius was a small silver coin and eventually debased with other metals and replaced by the Antoninianus, which eventually became defaced using more bronze, They cut the metals with bronze and copper as I read some historical research in museums. The metal debasement started more under Augustus and continued with Nero more so. For Rome, I think it was at one time near 7 grams and ended up at 3.5g within 100 years. I had six colleges courses that gave a quick overview of coin artifacts but I’m no expert in currency and money. It just overlapped my field of studies at times being Ancient cultures.

        For Medieval Europe, Thomas Aquinas wrote about the debasement of money- metal coinage. He may have been sent to prison for criticizing the thieving act of governments who tamper with the weight. I only wish to have time to study coinage debasement in Medieval Europe more in detail. I miss my studies raising children and forgetting parts of it.

        • The Roman denarius was around 3.5 grams and under the Republic was very pure silver. It was progressively debased and was replaced with the Antoninianus ca 212 AD. This was replaced during the reform (I think) of Diocletian with a high purity silver coin called the siliqua. After this came a silver milarense, which along with the siliqua was stuck into the 5th century.

          However the gold coinage continued to the end and beyond. The small gold tremisses were apparently struck in ample numbers and would’ve sufficed for all important payments.

          Note that the reign of Augustus was 27 BC – 14 AD and Nero’s was 54-68 AD. The Fall of the West was in 476 AD and the Fall of the Eastern Roman Empire was in 1453 AD. This is a 400 year difference at the least. This is why an analysis of the Fall of Rome should include at least the last 100 years around that era.

          Roman coinage is a very interesting field and I’d encourage everyone to read more about it and perhaps collect a token piece or two. However still don’t see the failure of Roman currency at the end as they maintained a good gold coinage.

          Thomas Aquinas lived in the 1200’s AD. Spanish Imperial power was at it’s max around 1550 – 1620’s I’d guess. He couldn’t have written about Spanish currency. Tho Spain had their “flings” with debased currencies, like Rome they fell for other reasons.

          Of course the coinage during those times mirrored what was happening with the power of both empires which is part of why I find it so interesting. With the US it is different in that we don’t have to back our currency with silver or gold or bronze, or possibly anything other than the good faith of Obama.

          • Ella

            For Rome, I meant starting at 210 BC for the Denarius first minted, which was full value about 6.8g of weight. About 100 years were between Augustus and Nero where the Double Denaruis decreased to 3.6g. over time. I tried to give a quick summary…..my mistake.

            I never really read much on gold except how it is used in metalsmithing and early jewelry making. You described a high percentage of gold, but the average unskilled workers were paid mostly in silver due to cheap wages. You might make $3.50 p/d and paid out in silver. So it would take time to save enough monies for gold pieces.

            If you have time to read, there is a collection called The History of the Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire. A relative did and gave me a short synopsis. I never had the time to read through it. Paper monies were introduced by the Chinese as early as 7th century and European bankers used paper money during Medieval Europe.

            This is a very quick comparison of Rome and America’s decline:
            1. There were too many ethnic groups (multiculturalism) that led to questioning what is a Roman subject or clash of identities

            2. There were frequent raids by Vikings and other groups on the outside border regions. I think Byzantine Empire had to pay monies to the Vikings to prevent raids or buy so-called peace. Ethnic tribes raided for loot and food.

            3. There were many Slave revolts and soldiers were not paid well or at all toward the end of Western Rome. Rome also lost an important battle in Teutoburg Forest and could not expand North.
            4. Too many debts, currency became weaker.

            Anyone can correct me or just add information, especially among the politics of the Church. These are just from readings and historical films.

          • Ella

            There are some good film documentaries on Rome and its fall on Youtube.

          • Thanks, I’ll try to watch those documentaries. I have Gibbon’s books but have only read some of them. They were written back in the 1770’s and following I think.

            Unfortunately information about the latter Empire is lacking as apparently a lot of stuff was lost during the Fall. The early Empire gets a lot of attention: that’s the era around Julius Caesar, Cleopatra & her lover Marc Anthony, Augustus, Tiberius, Caligula, Nero, Jesus Christ (not an Emperor but he lived then) & most of the big names that everyone knows. People don’t read about Emperors of the 5th century AD and even numistmatists (coin collectors) are less interested in late Empire pieces.

      • usathoughts

        I get these Emails telling me I have a follower on Disqus.

        Been receiving them for some time but have no idea how to respond and/or make any kind of contact.

        Would appreciate how this is supposed to be used?

        First time on this site. Am absolutely delighted with the caliber of the comments.

        Though I receive quite a number of replies on other sites, very few critiques. I should like to see the topic expanded. More importantly, identify serious errors I have made.

        I refer to Rome quite often so your narrative is much appreciated. Thank you.

        • itdoesnotmatter

          I suspect the crossover happens via the ubiquitous disqus and your comment profile.

          Welcome, usa thoughts. I think you will find enlightening discourse by intelligent, informed people here. So satisfying, it’s addicting.
          I especially appreciate the international points of view and in general, reading thought provoking disagreements aired without the usual political blog name-calling and abuse.

          • usathoughts

            Thank you for your kind invitation. Will soon enter the drawing room discussions.

            Question. What does Disqus being extensively used have to do with ones profile. Did not know I was being profiled. Is access available?

            Interesting moniker, “it does not matter the worlds mad as a hatter.” A reference to ‘the looking glass’? Or a philosophy? Just curious.

          • itdoesnotmatter

            usathoughts: Click on your icon. You will see that all your disqus comments are accessible.
            I you wish your disqus comments private, go to “settings” and adjust accordingly.
            Yes, re my user name: I, too, am at the fork in the road and don’t know where to go in a country that is no longer mine in a world gone mad.

  • Sick of it

    They already have a plan to declare martial law. They already have plans for camps. They already have plans to reduce the world population by 90%. Being a coward will save no one anymore.

  • QuinnTheEskimo9

    I believe what will happen is what happened in Eastern Europe after the USSR fell. Bloody, vicious wars started when people sorted themselves out according to race and religion and old grudges came to the surface as to which ethnic group controlled which patch of land.
    Any separation from non-whites will be bloody and as far as I’m concerned, let’s get started.

    • you forgot ideology but I guess most racialists are communists this just proves it

  • Caledwych

    Correct.The South Side held back the tide for as long as they could,but the spillover is too much.I’m thinking the Northsiders ran out of victims and are taking the Grand Ave. tour into the Hill and such.Meanwhile,there’s some clueless white lib named McKee who is trying to invest millions in order to “rebuild” the North Side…good luck with that one,idiot.True to their form,the Northside blacks are not happy that some white guy is throwing a lot of cash into their ‘hood…they’re upset that whitey “isn’t including us in his plans and not spending enough in areas we want”.These people would be comical if they weren’t so seriously pathological..y’know,that whole “gift horse in the mouth” thing.Ten years from now,the North side will be the same and probably worse,and McKee will be a lot poorer but a lot more enlightened.

    • The blacks are trying to save McKee from himself.

      I have no dog in the fight, but it’s fun to watch nevertheless.

  • After the US Civil War (1861-65) Lincoln was seriously considering sending blacks back to a newly created Nation in Africa: Liberia. However I guess everyone sort of procrastinated.

    Definitely this division would be a good investment, however, plans would be drawn up carefully as the white lands would expect to be invaded or raided for resources (food, water, oil, newly made sneakers, etc.) as those become scarce, then rare, then non-existent in the black lands.

    Thus I suspect some defensible boundaries like major rivers would be chosen. Of course both sides would be militarized but eventually the miliatries in the black lands would erode as they’d be unable to support advanced weaponry or develop new things as effectively.

    • We would never be able to tolerate them on the same continent as us. So sorry; that means Africa.

      • Don’t appologize to me – I’d think it’d be wonderful if the North American continent became white. However I think it’s a practical impossibility.

        The most likely outcome will be that all whites will be forced to live only in Quoddy Head, Maine, with our defensible boundary set at the West Quoddy Head Creek. Blacks will have the rest of the North American continent, including Alaska, Hawaii, and Cuba.

    • Sick of it

      Folks did not procrastinate so much as Lincoln was assassinated. Congress was at Johnson’s throat continually so nothing could be done under his presidency. After Grant got elected, the Radical Republicans were in charge of the entire government more or less. So obviously repatriation was out of the question.

  • Garrett Brown

    Why do you have the Boondocks as your avatar?

    • Nathanwartooth

      I watched the first 5 minutes of the first episode.

      It was so anti-White I thought that the Black Panthers, Obama, Holder and Tim Wise got together and wrote it.

      • Sick of it

        Wow, watch some more. Aaron pokes fun at black people constantly.

      • Garrett Brown

        That show is anti everything. It’s just plain stupid.

  • Nathanwartooth

    I know this goes against my libertarian views, but I think that all casinos and gambling should be controlled by the government.

    Casinos are just money machines. Because of statistics the house can literally never lose. So why not just make all government owned casinos and lower taxes?

    I would like a government system that is more reliant on charity and fun than force.

    • Kit Ingoldby

      I’m trying to imagine what a government owned casino would be like.

      I expect they would run out of gambling chips, have a waiting list for the poker machines and be closed on public holidays.

      • Nathanwartooth

        Oh I hate the government as much as anyone else. They can’t run anything worth a damn.

        But I am trying to come up with more creative ways of revenue generation for the government besides pay money or we’ll kill you.

    • WR_the_realist

      I see gambling the way I see recreational drug use. It perhaps should be legal, but it should never be encouraged. When governments are dependent upon gambling revenue they encourage it.

  • Sick of it

    Our people literally threw out or hung loyalists after the war.

  • Sick of it

    I can tell you from experience that all the casinos bring is more hard luck stories from impoverished people. They promise to send thus and such money to the schools, yet it never seems to get there.

  • ms_anthro

    I feel exactly the same way. But I feel that way watching neocon programming like Fox News too. It’s all rotten to the core.

  • consider this: regarding all the thousands upon thousands of statements and articles and blogposts and news media writing and pundit talking heads on TV jabbering, in all those millions of words uttered on contentions political issues in the last, say, 10 years, when have you ever heard or read anyone say something like this: “Maybe this contentious political issue ought to be dealt with at the local level instead of the federal level.”

    Also, same idea, posed another way: immigration and healthcare are two issues that supposedly divide the two parties in america–the GOP and the Dems. The Dems are for immigration and national healthcare. The GOP is against immigration and healthcare. Supposedly.

    But have you ever heard or read anyone in the corporate media, tv or newspaper or magazine ever say something to make you think that person is against immigration and for healthcare, favoring less immigration and also a better healthcare system? I never have. Again, what a huge statistical anomaly. Out of all the millions and millions of talking head statements and articles in the media, no one has ever said this. Something very strange there.

    Again, relating back to the secession issues, out of all these millions and millions of words uttered and written in the mainstream media, no one person has ever said anything favorable about a gradual secession, about sending more power back to the states, and how that might make a better government.

    Just think about the numerical, statistical aspect of all that. It boggles the mind.

    And that is weird as all get out. That ought to tell us something about the nature of our so-called political debate, about the very nature of homo sapiens and ideology, about homo sapiens and propaganda, about homo sapiens and rationality.

    • I’m looking in vain for a politician who is against health care.

      BTW, I’m still waiting on you to give me the name of even one Senate Democrat that voted against the Gang Bangers of Eight bill.

  • ms_anthro

    I agree with you. What Whites need to realize is our enemies need us to survive in First World comfort and prosperity. We, however, don’t need them. And they know it. So they cajole, wheedle, and finally outright threaten and bully to keep us in line, using our genetically ingrained European sense of fair play and justice against us.

    But there is no justice in what is being done to our people in our own lands. The parasites are getting arrogant and pushing us too fast, too hard, too far. That same sense of justice is working against them now as Whites slowly blink the guilt out of their eyes and realize that we are being robbed, murdered, and exploited. That our women and children are being hunted for sport and our men emasculated and humiliated. The righteous anger is growing every day, with every story about anti-White violence and theft and disenfranchisement that leaks out to the internet despite mainstream governmedia attempts to suppress it.

    Don’t ask to be a free person. You are one, if you choose to be. Don’t beg your jailer to let you go. Summon your rage, destroy the bastard, and burn the prison down. Then go after the monsters that put you there in the first place and their enablers too. No compromise, no mercy. That is how Whites will win–not by groveling or obsequious begging. Like any other species on Earth, we will fight for our survival or we will go extinct.

    Does anyone really believe that when Whites finally say, “Enough!” and decide to fight back, our enemies stand a chance of defeating us forever? It will be ugly and bloody but deprived of their access to White technology and skilled workers, they’re essentially gutless, superstitious, Stone Age primitives with devastatingly low IQs and poor impulse control.

  • He could do that, but then we’d have our country again within three months, and in only a few years there would be no blacks or Mexicans here. I have no political ambitions, but a US civil war would guarantee that someone very much like me would end up in charge.

    • Tucker

      Sorry, pal. I have zero trust in any White man to ‘be in charge’ of me or any resurrected White dominated nation who is an admitted practitioner of miscegenation.

      You and John Engelman can, however, team up and assume a leadership role in the new Asian ethnostate.

  • Martial law?

    That didn’t work in Slovenia or Croatia.

  • The Balkans did that before World War One and Greece and Turkey did it again after 1922. Jews were expelled from almost every Arab nation after 1948 and usually allowed only two suitcases per family. Population exchanges are cruel and miserable, but often necessary.

  • Bobbala

    Until anybody can secure their border, all of this is moot. Detroit will always follow you with one hand out and the other fist raised.

    No new state would dare oppose them from moving in. Their children must be sacrificed. Somebody might call them “racists”.

  • Erasmus

    At this juncture I couldn’t care less who decides to call me “racist.” That has now become a term used at least as often as “anti-Semite” to dishonestly stifle debate.

    I am beyond an age where I care very much what others think of me.

    • Keep Honkin I’m Reloading

      Nor do I. I simply respond with “well, thank you for noticing.”

  • Luca

    And I can show you studies and opinions that state that 911 was an inside job, the moonwalk was faked, Elvis is alive and well in Canada and the earth is flat.

    Democratic states are well known for high state and property taxes, therefore they attract more Obama voters sucking up that revenue at the state and county level.

    Certain Republican states are poor, rural, farming or mining states with low populations and low State taxes, therefore they may receive more in tax revenue which in fact go to farmers, mines etc.

    Democrats don’t “contribute” more, their politicians “steal” more from their citizens, including the many Republican citizens who live in Liberal states.

    Crafty liberal writers can twist facts, figures and words to create a desired pre-conceived outcome.

    Common sense dictates that the party of the welfare recipients is not truly the party contributing more.

  • Funruffian

    Similar to the Basque separatists of the early 1900’s who occupy the borders of Spain and France, we will see similar movements here. We will no longer be the Unites States of America, but rather the Disunited States of America.

    • You say the Basques “occupy” that area. Where would you suggest they go, if they currently “occupy” it?

      The Basques were the original inhabitants!

      • Funruffian

        They have the surrounding of the Pyrenees mountains. All I know is that they formulated their own militia over 100 years ago.

      • Kenner

        The Basques are more culturally akin to northern Europeans. Wherever they are in Latin America, they prosper.

  • M&S

    Idealized Dreamworld aside…

    1. We would be stopped by outside powers imposing export tariffs and outright restrictions on critical strategic resources and consumer goods, similar to Japan after Nanking. No invasion to kill another bunch of Nazis would be required.

    2. Blacks would not go willingly, certainly not to Africa because Africa doesn’t have the industrial base to support a modern society. They import more than we do when it comes to filling those Kenyan shopping malls with bling. Blacks are not stupid. They are not smart but they are a full mean standard deviation in intelligence above the 67IQ Africans whom they left behind 250 years ago.

    3. Blacks -might- accept conditional separation, here, in the U.S. if they were paid to do so and if they had sufficient residual whites to think that they could continue to lamprey a working social system, from the top.
    A million dollars per minimum six member family buys a lot of aunts and uncles in on a separation plan.
    But only if you give them decent states as settlement areas. And only if he currency is worth something.
    Right now, I think we are seeing the beginning of the collapse of America as unlimited debt ceilings and QE4-5-6 to go with will no longer be blaise` accepted by the rest of the world which is tired of artificially depressed interest rates and flatlined economic growth.
    As China’s RMB becomes the obvious (stronger industrial economy + wealthier middle class = more need for oil and more ability to leverage currency values while sustaining growth interest rates) alternative petrocurrency, no one will want to take our debt chit and it flatly will not matter how much money we print or what our deficiency addicted fools in Congress pass as continuing resolutions or hard budgets.

    4. Whites need to be massively re-indoctrinated in the evils of black dependency as much as savagery.
    Because as bad as Knoxville and Wichita are. As horrific as the notion that we are sheltering and cosseting 52% of murders from 13% of our society is. As unforgiveable as 35,000 white rapes per year might seem to be.
    It is the Balkanization of this land behind social enablement vs. commercial exploitation politics which is doing the real damage.
    Governments exist only so long as the people and society which need protecting exist.
    With influxes of Mexicans to solve what should be a technical problem (Athropomorphic Robotics!) and a million mutating viral charities to support the world’s sorrows as industry moves offshore to avoid workplace safety and wage issues that we impose on it here, there will soon be no American Base to support.
    And no society to continue with.
    This is the frightening truth which blacks are a part of the problem behind. Remove the charity cases from the Dems and they will, once again, have to start looking at what keeps Whites on the right track as their source of electoral votes.
    Give them a base which still includes 60 some odd percent of the national population and Republicans will have to turn away from sucking corporate teat to stay empowered.

    And again, if you wait until whites are /really/ in trouble, as a minority in 2040, it will be too late.
    Because then government will become partisan behind multiple, racial, group interests whose outcomes will leave this country looking like Mexico or Africa. Because society is a racial construct, not the other way around.

    5. What is holding back white reproductive rates is white women. Liberated, in the workforce, sucking down wages with an excess of smart workers. This is an internal, socio-sexual issue which we wil have to confront on our own. Women who think they don’t have to breed until they are forty and then are shocked to discover how hard it is (fused pelvis, fading liver and kidney and heart functions), how many more birth defects there are due to cumulative genetic and body toxin related issues and the general realization that ‘their guy’ married someone more willing to be a female, 10-15 years before, need to be having real talks with the starry eyed follow-ons who see in their existence an expectation for themselves.

    IF that doesn’t happen, we need a crash program in Exogenics. Which is to say, state run eugenics programs to backfill white generational gaps in the workforce from 60 years back to 20. There is _no getting around these two options_.

    If you aren’t making your own babies until the time when past generations were thinking about grandkids, you are _killing_ this society’s survival options as surely as if you walked into a natal ward with an SMG and started spraying.

    Once more, this is not a problem without a technical resolution. And I am interested in the exogenic option because it means we can give fetus’ the kinds of super doped hormones and protein base driven accelerants to really prime the pump on things like brain development and hearty immune systems. Something which would send a woman into preeclampsic conditions if we tried.

    But if we switch to state run birthing crèche`’s and institutionalized kid-farms, we will also forever change the meaning of what family and loyalty to blood means. And that is a large part of what we are arguing here, when it comes to our own folkway needing to have primacy over all others in our homeland.

    What we do to resolve this issue is entirely in the heads as hearts of women, which unfortunately, does not give me much hope. They are disenfranchising themselves from the one species replenishment task which formerly females could ‘always find a job’ doing well. And they are transforming our working society in a soft-jobs friendly femtopia which is _not sustainable_ in economic competition with the likes of China.

    CONCLUSION:
    Whites need an out. The collapse of government may be an unfortunately necessary part of this as no organizational base = no money to enforce conformity through Homeland Security and hidden powers Executive Orders.
    If we don’t establish our own homeland with our own control over it’s moneys and social agendas as the driving element behind our survival, then we will be blended out into annihilation by 2100.
    That is the essential thing. America is likely dead, regardless. But whites must learn to separate who they really are, as a nation, from what makes them comfortable ignoring the truth of what this country can no longer be. A white homeland.

    • kjh64

      “. What is holding back white reproductive rates is white women. Liberated, in the workforce, sucking down wages with an excess of smart workers. ”

      I’m sick of this nonsense on here. White women aren’t “sucking down wages”, they’re making money as they have a right to do same as men. Seriously, you and others on here act as if White men are just dying to marry and have six kids but White women don’t. A LOT of young White men today don’t want to marry and have kids. They want to play around, hang out with their buddies, drink beer, watch the big game on their big flat screen, SLEEP AROUND, boy do they want to sleep around, but they don’t “commitment” and kids. Perhaps White men should GROW UP.

      Some here want to blame marriage laws such as community property for men not marrying, even though after divorce women on average are worse off financially. It’s women married to rich men who make out like bandits but most women aren’t married to rich men.(I do think that the money and assets a man or woman has before marriage should stay with them in the event of divorce because those things weren’t earned or accumulated during the marriage). However, the bottom line is that if men aren’t willing to “commit” for whatever reason ,then you can’t blame women for not having as many kids can you?

      It’s the White women who do want to marry and have kids much more than White men. As far as “liberation” and being in the workforce, women can do that and still have kids, plenty do. However, White couples together decide how many kids they want and White couples are choosing, both of them, to have fewer kids because they want to have only the kids they can afford and they take raising kids more seriously and giving them what is needed more seriously

      • Sick of it

        As men often complain about, the situation is the opposite of what you’re saying. Perhaps women should stop playing the field with losers who obviously only have one thing on their mind.

  • libertarian1234

    “…..most likely because the programming was outsourced to India or done by blacks…..”

    If there’s considerable misspellings, phrases that don’t make sense or involve incomplete ideas or sentences, or just plain incompetence, you can be pretty sure it involves one of Obama’s AA hires.

    I’ve been paying particular attention to the black AA hires for newsrooms all over the country….under a program initiated by Mark Lloyd (FEC Diversity Chief)…….. to see if I could click on to something they’ve written, but all I can see so far are the black talking heads reading from teleprompters.

    They’re supposed to be but 13% of the population, yet they demand to be 25%….or more…. of the daily news reporting and not have to qualify for their jobs.

  • Jesse James

    This nation can’t stand half tax slave and half free loading communist.

  • JohnEngelman

    A white ethno state is an idle fantasy of white nationalists, just like a classless society used to be an idle fantasy of Marxists.

  • Jesse James

    I just wanted to let you folks know after reading one last time through this interesting thread of discussion that I really wish we all lived in the same town. Just imagine how sweet it would be to live among people who hold similar values. Sure we argue about specific points, tactics or interpretations but I would be proud to stand with most of you folk anywhere for any reason.

    Deo Vindice

    • Garrett Brown

      A community of like minded people would be welcome in any circle, so why does our government refuse to let us have freedom of association? But yes, I would welcome someone like Jared Taylor our community leader, maybe even our president.

    • Kenner

      I asked JT about a way for us to connect–there used to be a chat site–and he said it posed too many security problems at this point. –Frustrating!

      • Jesse James

        Yes I emailed them about that just last week. Perhaps we can come up with something that would work and not cause the AMREN staff extra work.

      • European Observer

        You could try establish an internet forum at AR as a place for discussions. It should be as secure as Disqus.

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    Agreed the only way to secede is to kill so many of them and their minions, they could not prevent us from seceding, let alone avenging their oppression against us.

  • Luca

    The Democratic party is the party “of” and “for” welfare recipients. Do you think there are more rich Democrats than welfare recipient Democrats?

    Your figures do nothing to indicate the income levels of Democratic voters or how much tax revenue they pay. It is clear the “takers” are voting for more benefits from the public treasury. It is the clear the takers vote Democratic.

    • JohnEngelman

      Do you think there are more rich Democrats than welfare recipient Democrats?

      – Luca

      Yes, I certainly do. The most important constituency in the Democratic Party is of affluent, well educated professionals who owe their high incomes to professional degrees from elite universities. These people recoil in disgust from what the Republican Party has become.

      • Beloved Comrade

        I defy you to prove this.

    • Beloved Comrade

      DFTT. Stop wasting your time.

  • IstvanIN

    I had always heard that the majority of Americans were loyal to the Crown, despite differences.

    • Alec Smart

      I remember numbers something in the range of 10% support for the revolution, 10% support of the king, and 80% indifference.

      This might have been public sentiment sometime before the start of the war.

  • Beloved Comrade

    “Common sense is wrong.”

    That’s laughable coming from you. You don’t know what you’re talking about as usual and anyone who listens to you or believes the statist pap you write is a fool.

    You are a tool of the Obama administration.

  • Luca

    Move to a swing state and help turn it red.

  • Sheik Yerbouti

    I would have had more faith in the Cobb experiment if he had simply expressed it as a white separatist initiative. By implying, or letting it be implied that he was instead trying to build an encampment for “White Supremacists” or “White Nationalists” or whatever leftist fodder it came out as, he has proven nothing new at all.

    The proof most Americans need to see is that peaceful white Americans are not allowed to have ethnic enclaves of any sort and that when they attempt it the “diversity” train will roll over them. This effort by Cobb was expensive and proved nothing but that he could be used as effective fly paper for an inflamed story.

    Like it or not, MOST white Americans do NOT want to join any sort of “gang” nor do they want to be associated with organizations that will surely be targeted by the government. Who in their right mind would paint a target onto their back or that of their family and children?

    For an ethnic white enclave to succeed, it has to be seen as free from that sort of influence. Sorry guys, I KNOW some of you want a certain kind of community and I believe you should be free to have it. But your enemies are waiting with bated breath for you to surface. Cobb surfaced and they swooped down. They will soon have an army of “lawyers” consuming all of his time and resources in a typical leftist bleeding tactic and MOST of white America will not care.

    But so you know Tucker, I agree with you entirely. They KNOW they will starve without whites. They also know the only card they can play is intimidation. This is why they attack soft targets. Terror is all they have left.

  • Kenner

    I had the same idea– great minds, yadda yadda…!

  • Kenner

    Thanks. I get weary of tangents re ‘who is white enough’ here. Weez ALL white ’nuff, nomesane??

  • We are too far gone. Secession is an idea that is Never.

  • Terra Magnum Imperium

    I have to agree with JE on this one, for starters I am not sure what a future what ethno-state would even look like:
    1. Where (Siberia, Midwest, Under the Ocean, Created from artificial land, etc. )?
    2. What type of Government, Libertarian, or Socialist or a combination
    Socialist with a few free trade zones like Hong Kong? also how free can a white Ethno-State be?
    3. Purely white or a small % of some other races allowed. What would white be defined as? If someone married a different race would he lose is citizenship? What About IQ and other eugenic issues?
    4. How would the movement start? like the Free State Project or Christian Exodus?
    5. What would be the State religion if any?
    My list of questions can go on but I think I bored everyone enough…
    The problem here is that 5 white nationalists have 6 different visions for WSA (White States of America)

  • Zaporizhian Sich

    When their loved ones are harmed or killed, you will see enough of them turn into rabid, bloodthirsty, vengeful fanatics that our enemies will find out what it’s like to be hunted like bunny rabbits. Darkies cannot fight with the determination and sheer ruthlessness whites can when their own existence as a people is at stake.

  • JohnEngelman

    It is impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who rejects credible sources.

  • ms_anthro

    What terrible news. Thank you for the information.