Greece’s Golden Dawn Lawmakers Freed Before Trial

Renee Maltezou and Yorgos Karahalis, Reuters, October 2, 2013

Three senior lawmakers from Greece’s far-right Golden Dawn were freed on Wednesday pending trial on criminal charges, an unexpected setback to the government’s efforts to clamp down on a party it has labeled a neo-Nazi criminal gang.

The decision to free the men after an 18-hour court session raises questions about the solidity of the state’s case against Golden Dawn after one of its sympathizers stabbed to death an anti-fascism rapper.

Party spokesman Ilias Kasidiaris and fellow lawmakers Ilias Panagiotaros and Nikos Michos stormed out of the court to cheers of “bravo” from supporters. They kicked and shoved journalists out of the way before hailing a taxi.

“We will not back down!” Michos shouted. “You can only stop us with bullets. Even from the grave, we will rise up–know this well!”

The unfolding saga has riveted a country where a crackdown on elected politicians has not been seen since a military coup nearly five decades ago.

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The images of the men walking freely were in stark contrast to footage of the party’s leaders handcuffed and hustled to police headquarters at the weekend.

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In a letter by Golden Dawn leader Nikolaos Mihaloliakos written from his police cell and published on the party’s website on Wednesday, he said the authorities would not succeed in their effort to undermine his party.

“The truth will ultimately shine, their plans will not pass. However this dark story ends, it is certain that we Golden Dawners made history and no one can take this away from us,” he said.

Mihaloliakos later arrived at court flanked by hooded anti-terrorism policemen with machineguns.

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Hundreds of flag-waving supporters were outside the court chanting the party’s “Blood! Honour! Golden Dawn!” slogan as scores of police in riot gear stood guard. {snip}

Kasidiaris was released on bail of 50,000 euros ($67,600). He, Michos and Ilias Panagiotaros were ordered not to leave Greece. A fourth Golden Dawn legislator, Yannis Lagos, was ordered to be kept in detention. {snip}

The four lawmakers were arrested on Saturday alongside Mihaloliakos and two dozen party members.

They have been charged on what prosecutors say is evidence linking the party with a series of attacks, including the stabbing of rapper Pavlos Fissas on September 17 and the killing of an immigrant earlier this year. {snip}

Prime Minister Antonis Samaras’s government has vowed to wipe out a party of “Nazi descendents”. It has shied away from trying to ban the party outright but has ordered investigations into it and plans to introduce laws against hate speech and deprive the party of state funding.

Samaras has said the government was “crushing extremism” and called Golden Dawn a “fascist, neo-fascist, neo-Nazi party whose leader is currently in jail.”

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  • David Ashton

    Let us scrutinise the court proceedings carefully before coming to a premature judgement of any kind.

    • Spartacus

      Some guys got into a fight in a bar. One guy *supposedly* killed another guy . They arrest all the leaders of a party the suspected(currently unconvicted) killer says he supports . This is no trial, just an attack on the JWO’s enemies .

      • blight14

        With ‘NWO’ used as a code term, I believe we all know the ‘who’ behind the persecution of the GD………..

        • Spartacus

          I initially said JWO, but it got modded…

          • blight14

            1. I don’t doubt that……
            2. You are correct……

      • David Ashton

        You could be quite right. We shall see.

  • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

    If ever there was a political party to donate to, this is it. This and the Jobbik party of Hungary.

    • Spartacus

      I wouldn’t donate any money to Jobbik if I were you… They might chop your head of and give it to a Turk as a gift .

      https://en(DOT)wikipedia(DOT)org/wiki/Hungarian_Turanism

      • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

        The Wikipedia post seems a little suspicious to me, I come from a Hungarian family, and I don’t think most Magyar consider themselves Turks, even in the Jobbik party. I’ll look into more though.

        • Spartacus

          Not Turks – Turanics. They claim kinship with Turks, Mongolians, Koreans, even American Indians… But none with the European race.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            That’s little far fetched, I mean before genetic testing I could see an Ideology like that taking hold, but with modern medicine proving that to not be the case how does it survive? Hungarians are considered Europe’s Asians even though they have R1a haplogroup. the most common of Europe.

          • Spartacus

            Tell that to Jobbik’s president :

            “The right-wing Jobbik party and its president Gábor Vona are uncompromising supporters of Turanism and Pan-Turkism (The ideology of Jobbik considers Hungarians as a Turkic nation.)”

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            Yes I read that part, that’s what I cant understand, Vona has to know about the Magyar haplogroup being Indo-European.

          • David Ashton

            Language does not necessarily correlate with “race”. What about the Finns?

            What fun to see the quarrels over Christianity and Paganism, anti-Semitism and philo-Semitism, Nazism and anti-Nazism, America and Europe, this ethnic group and that ethnic group, keeping the “White Man” busy – while the real dangers loom over us all!

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            Did you not read the part about genetic haplogroups, or are you being purposefully disingenuous? I’d call you what you are but if TWMNBM are brought up all of the posts on this page will be deleted again.

          • David Ashton

            I can’t see why you could take exception to what I wrote. I presume there is some abusive remark directed at me which I shall try to recover from the Disqus archive. Anyhow I believe in both genetic and linguistic ethnology and prefer polite debate to personal insult.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            “What fun to see the quarrels over Christianity and Paganism, anti-Semitism and philo-Semitism, Nazism and anti-Nazism, America and Europe, this ethnic group and that ethnic group, keeping the “White Man” busy – while the real dangers loom over us all!”
            Yeah, that sound like polite debate alright. What did you cry to the moderators last night about the “Happy Endings” posts bringing to light what your people have done?

          • David Ashton

            I did no such thing. It’s complete rubbish.

            I haven’t tried to suppress any comments on this website, though my own have sometimes been deleted. My guess is that “your people” is a suggestion that I am a Jew. This is also quite untrue. And my comments on this website over very many months would confirm this. I shall not respond with any comments on your own personality about which readers can draw their own conclusions.

            In 1967 as a younger man I proposed and helped to organise a half-century Commemoration of the Victims of Bolshevism in London’s Albert Hall, and was pleased that Russians and Ukrainians, Serbs and Croats, Germans and Poles, and Hungarians and Romanians, joined together. I have actively opposed communism and multi-cultural immigration all my life.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            Well allow me to apologize, and say thank you for standing up for, and helping the victims of the Bolsheviks. I don’t trust or like Jews, and try to ferret them out any chance I get. As far as the assertion of Magyar being of Asian descent, this was the first time a heard it being taking seriously, and not just a derogatory statement. I’m glad to hear you’re against Communism aka. International Jewry. I’m only 23 so I’m still an angry young man.
            I also am disappointed in the leadership of the Jobbik party for subscribing to an anti-European Ideology. If not for the Turk worship it would be a great party.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            TeutonicKnight is clearly a loose cannon that has not connected the dots and figure himself out, let alone you or me.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Well, I argue about Christianity because it can be used so easily and often has been, to embarrass whites and especially white nationalists like TeutonicKnightTemplar. It is child’s play to politically destroy a white nationalist that clings to Christianity. It is a main reason why such whites get nowhere, fast, the laughing stock of the media.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            So that’s why a White Christian Nationalist by the name of Vladimir Putin is currently turning Russia into the most powerful economy in Europe?

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            Last I checked, he was using the Christian church to once again oppress the Russian people. Russia is not independent of the world and if the West collapses, so will Russia.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            You got destroyed in the comment section under “Happy Endings” last night.

          • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

            In your mind. But it is obvious to me that you are a wild and unorganized thinker who hasn’t connected the simplest of logic. You are making an exhibition of yourself and zero friends here. FYI, I have been posting on this board since at least 2006 and seen people like you burn in and out. It is not my error that you can’t think critically or even write one correct sentence. You follow a Jewish god and claim to be pro-white, etc. You haven’t got a clue of what you’re about or what you need to do. You’re just fighting because it’s your nature to be difficult. But you’re fighting white people, here.

          • Sick of it

            The anti-Christians have done a pretty good job of destroying western civilization entirely.

      • David Ashton

        Hungarians v Romanians???

        • Spartacus

          You might have heard we don’t like each other too much…

          • David Ashton

            Yes indeed. I am not against the Hungarians, who rose against the Soviets in 1956. There is a “Teutonic Knight Templar” who has a vivid imagination about what I am and what I have done. I am just a white Englishman who seeks unity among white peoples against common dangers.

          • Spartacus

            And I am a Romanian who seeks the same thing. I know that if we fail in our current struggle, there will be no Romania at all, or any White nation for that matter, which is why I’m willing to bury the hatchet, at least temporarily, with all the ancestral enemies of my nation, be they Huns, Russians, Ukrainians, etc . Still, Jobbik has openly declared it’s willingness to wage war on Romania, and should that be the case, then the hatchet gets unburied and I start bashing heads with it.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            This was meant for you.
            Yes the belief that Transylvania belongs to Hungary is misplaced, and it’s things like that quarrel that do more harm than good to Ethno-based nationalism, I have no problem with you, and am now upset that the Jobbik party is not more concerned with the welfare, and relations of Hungary’s European neighbors.

          • David Ashton

            I appreciate your unpublished correction of your view of the ideas and actions of David Ashton, who was christened and married in the Church of England, though not now personally sharing the Christian faith with other friends and “comrades in struggle”.

            Both Hungarians and Romanians belong to the white community and should align with others. I regret that my record in this respect and in opposition to communism as well as multiracialism has been deleted from this thread. My views on the role of Jews in communism are admittedly more nuanced, but based on careful research.

            My other deleted point was that the Magyars and Finns generally belong to the white race, even though their languages differ from most others in Europe. Apart from recent genetic study, there is the phenotype evidence of Guenther, Coon, Lundman, etc. Hungary would be foolish to adopt a mythology that aligns the land of St Stephen with Asiatics.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            Yes the belief that Transylvania belongs to Hungary is misplaced, and it’s things like that quarrel that do more harm than good to Ethno-based nationalism, I have no problem with you, and am now upset that the Jobbik party is not more concerned with the welfare, and relations of Hungary’s European neighbors.

  • Puggg

    Is there an election in Greece coming up soon? This sounds like the kind of trick you pull if you want to try to drive down a party’s election results.

    • Spartacus

      Elections for the European Parliament are in 2014, not sure about the date exactly. GD was expected to get at least 15% of the vote before this .

    • This happens in Britain quite a bit.

  • Spartacus

    “Even from the grave, we will rise up–know this well!”

    ———————————————————————————————————————

    These are REAL men, the kind that the marxist cockroaches will never defeat .

    Those of you in the US that want to help Golden Dawn, go here ;

    https://xaameriki(DOT)wordpress(DOT)com/about/

  • joesolargenius

    Anyone that opposes Socialism is a good person as far as I am concerned , after socialism comes communism and true despair.

  • bigone4u

    White civilization started in Greece. The rebirth of white civilization may be starting in Greece. There’s something poetic about that which I like.

    • Spartacus

      And the funny thing is – Golden Dawn’s not reinventing the wheel, quite the contrary- they’re doing what has been proven to work :

      • So CAL Snowman

        Supporting your own people is RACIST if you’re White

        • Spartacus

          Why would I care about the enemy’s opinions about me ? The only interaction you should have with the enemy is a violent one, otherwise you ignore them. You don’t sit around to read their propaganda…

          • bigone4u

            Is there a political party in Romania that espouses your views? Or, are you a “one man army?”

          • Spartacus

            There is a nationalist party called The Greater Romania Party . In the 2000 elections they won 24% of the parliamentary vote, and their leader Vadim Tudor got into the second presidential tour. Still, they weren’t exactly radical – center-left wing nationalists . They’re still around, but they were frauded at the elections and didn’t get into parliament since 2008 .

        • Raised Its Ugly Head

          That’s why wiping out Whiteness is erasing Racism.

          White = Racist

          Destroy one, destroy the other.

          • TeutonicKnightsTemplar

            It’s basically a semantics game with the “Left”.

      • RisingReich

        It is very uplifting to see a Greek woman participating in the picture on the right. I will be giving them some $.

        • Spartacus

          I posted a link above, but you should donate to their American branch, and not directly to the one in Greece, as their accounts and assets there could be frozen by the government at any moment .

      • blight14

        Beautiful..!

      • NoMosqueHere

        sugar is the worst thing you can give a middle aged person.

    • Garrett Brown

      This is exactly what I was thinking. TRUE Greeks fighting against third world scum and traitorous governments. Just as they sparked a new standard for politics, military, and education they will ignite the spark for nationalism.

  • NorthernWind

    “We will not back down!” Michos shouted. “You can only stop us with
    bullets. Even from the grave, we will rise up–know this well!”

    Now that’s what we need more of!

  • Raised Its Ugly Head

    Golden Dawn won’t last.

    Whiteness is on the Endangered Species Watch List for a reason.

    The Nuremberg Trials were just a start…

  • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

    Being a nationalist is not being a neo-nazi. A neo-nazi is a nationalist that shoots himself in the foot by habitually ranting about Jews.

    • Anon

      You mean the jews who can plainly be seen behind every anti-white behavior in the world without a single exception?

      How is it a “rant” to notice that, until very recently, 100% of he so called NAACP was jewis. Or to notice ALL of those controlling media spewing out the anti-white lies and propaganda are all jews. When was the word “rant” redefined to stating facts.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        You are a perfect example of what I am saying. The NAACP was never a Jewish organization, but in fact was set up by Christian white women for blacks. The blacks tend to be Christians or nominally Christian with Nation of Islam also a major influence along with the New Black Panthers. Your first sentence is pure hyperbole. Some Jews, is not ALL Jews.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Jews are unusually intelligent people. So they are disproportionately involved in almost everything. If you’re a commie, you see them heavily involved in finance and business. If you’re a rightist, you see them with the leftist groups or in hollywood. This is the fate of the jews. But, you would think by now folks would have a sense of humor about them and maybe a smidgen of compassion.

      • Carney3

        Without a single exception? Jews are basically absent from Sweden, and yet that country has been in the forefront of handing over its territory and destiny to non-whites.

        Yes, Jews are disproportianately wealthy, infuential, and leftist, and deserve SOME criticism, but scapegoating them as THE reason for our problems is not only a misdiagnosis and a distraction sure to lead us to wrong “treatments” or solutions, but also a certain path to defeat, since our fellow whites will NEVER support anything that even has a whiff of Nazi-ism. False and ineffective.

    • ms_anthro

      Speaking truth to power only sounds like a “rant” to those in power.

      • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

        Interesting, you’re using an old 60s, leftist slogan to justify another brand of political insanity. So I will throw another one back at you;

        All the “truth” in the world adds up to one big lie.”

        Here’s another one for good measure; “Living is easy with eyes closed, misunderstanding all you see.”

        • ms_anthro

          And you’re dismissing any criticism of the most powerful ethnic minority on Earth as “ranting” and “political insanity,” just like the Soviets did when they deemed dissidents insane to justify locking them in cages.

          Which of us has more credibility, I wonder?

        • ms_anthro

          My polite, well-written post was deleted without explanation by the censors, so let me try again.

          You’re dismissing justified critique of the world’s most powerful ethnic minority as “ranting” and “political insanity,” quite like the Soviets did when they labeled dissidents as insane to justify locking them in cages.

          Which of us has more credibility, I wonder?

          P.S. Mods, I have started saving my posts for easy retrieval and reposting. How about letting honest discussion flourish instead of trying to shut us up? Certainly that would be keeping things more true to the Jefferson quote at the top of this page. Or perhaps there are some truths which you fear or would wish unknown to the whole world.

        • ms_anthro

          My polite, well-written post was deleted without explanation by the censors for the second time, so let me try again.

          You’re dismissing justified critique of the world’s most powerful ethnic minority as “ranting” and “political insanity,” quite like the Soviets did when they labeled dissidents as insane to justify locking them in cages.

          Which of us has more credibility, I wonder?

          P.S. Mods, I have started saving my posts for easy retrieval and reposting. How about letting honest discussion flourish instead of trying to shut us up? Certainly that would be keeping things more true to the Jefferson quote at the top of this page. Or perhaps there are some truths which you fear or would wish unknown to the whole world.

        • ms_anthro

          My polite, well-written post was deleted without explanation by the censors for third time, so let me try again.

          You’re dismissing justified critique of the world’s most powerful ethnic minority as “ranting” and “political insanity,” quite like the Soviets did when they labeled dissidents as insane to justify locking them in cages.

          Which of us has more credibility, I wonder?

          P.S. Mods, I have started saving my posts for easy retrieval and reposting. How about letting honest discussion flourish instead of trying to shut us up? Certainly that would be keeping things more true to the Jefferson quote at the top of this page. Or perhaps there are some truths which you fear or would wish unknown to the whole world.

    • Formerly_Known_as_Whiteplight

      To answer the deleted post; The main group that has called for the elimination of white people through systematic process is NOW, The National Organization for Women. In the late 70s and 80s, they were blatantly repeating that white men are the most evil thing in the world and that no white woman of conscience should bear any white man’s children. Many white women have either directly acted on this, or rather unconsciously, after this attitude was generalized by supporting propaganda in films and tv media. Black Panters, The Nation of Islam, also in the running.

      I am guessing that your rather vague comment was meant to say that the ethnic group you’re suggesting is Jewish. The problem with that argument is that the Jewish world is comprised of a number of races and ethnicity. So, as it always does, such rabid, fevered reasoning leads to the old confrontation with Ashkenazi, “German Jews,” many of whom cannot be told apart from white Christian populations. Wasting time continuing to obsess on them only guarantees that many of these very capable people will continue to be enemies that will work to defend themselves, just as you would and are. But people like you just shoot yourself in the foot and hurt all whites.

  • Dave4088

    It looks like the Greek criminal justice system has some integrity unlike the USSA where unpopular political viewpoints pretty much determines your fate regardless of the evidence. Here in the land of the “free”, their assets would have been frozen and they would only be guaranteed the formality of a show trial, but the verdict would be all but a foregone conclusion since they harbor politically incorrect beliefs.

    • RileyDeWiley

      I don’t think there was any evidence against them at all. Someone who washes dishes and mops the floor in a political party HQ kills someone in a street scrape, and you arrest the entire party leadership, including parliamentarians? The KGB would blush.

  • Paleoconn

    I wish these brave patriots well. Soon, we’ll be sending the traitors to the jails. Or to meet their maker.

  • Sick of it

    Apparently nothing is so fascist or hateful in today’s world as feeding poor white people. If that doesn’t wake people up by itself, humanity may well be doomed.

  • Sick of it

    I wouldn’t be bothered by the label arch-conservative. Maybe I could design a nifty getup to go with the title.

  • Sick of it

    Except that modern Europe followed socialist-lite Europe, complete with the iron fist of the “European Union.”

    • JohnEngelman

      The European Union is not tyrannical like the Soviet Union was. It was entered into democratically. A mark of intelligence is the ability to discern differences.

      • Sick of it

        The mark of intelligence is how much one believes in collectivism versus individual activity. Low intelligence favors collectivism.

        • JohnEngelman

          The white racial solidarity advocated by many posters on this website is a form of collectivism.

          • Sick of it

            Actually no, it’s genetic. People are naturally inclined to gather around members of their ethnic group. That has little to do with collective farming or aggregating people according to temperament.

          • JohnEngelman

            If that is true, why is the practice and approval of interracial marriage increasing? Why do the brightest and best educated young people try to get jobs in ethnic and racial melting pots like New York City, and San Francisco?

            Friendships are based on shared interests, values, and other characteristics, but people decide for themselves what characteristics they want in friends.

            One of the most fascinating friends I ever had in my life was a black college professor who taught at Howard University.

            I suspect that my preferences in friends increases as one moves up the IQ, education, and income ladders.

          • Well then, in that case, hooray for collectivism.

            Our civilization and people just might die thanks in no small part to the ideological cultists among us who think that our enemies have an individual Constitutional liberty to kill us and at the same time denounce the collectivism of our defending ourselves.

      • Paleoconn

        You sound so much like a child, you can’t be this naive. Unless of course this act is deliberate and you have some sort of agenda, which I suspect more and more.

        Would the EU democratic process be anything like that in the good old USofA? In other words, the honor and privilege to choose between two puppets every four years?

        • JohnEngelman

          I am sympathetic for some of the reasons most white blue collar workers have become alienated from the Democratic Party. Nevertheless, it is foolish for a white blue collar worker without health insurance from work to vote against Obamacare and in favor of tax cuts for the rich.

          Obamacare is almost the same as the health plan Romney introduced for Massachusetts. That plan is popular in Massachusetts. I would have preferred the Canadian single payer plan. That is popular in Canada.

  • WR_the_realist

    When Saudi Wahhabis attacked the Twin Towers the response was not to look the other way — it was to use the attack as an excuse to go after the country the globalists wanted to attack all along — Iraq. Saudi Arabia was left alone.

    • Anon

      Since then, it has been firmly established that Mossad was behind 9/11. They got caught. They got arrested along with hundreds of other spies. Everyone from that time now admits this. Israel is particularly smug and open about this act of war.

      When you say “globalist”, the specific people you are talking about are 100% jews.

      • WR_the_realist

        Well, George W. Bush and Dick Cheney aren’t Jewish. But yes, a lot of neocon Jews favored the Iraq war. OTOH, the liberal Jews I know personally were against the Iraq war.

        I would say that it’s highly ambiguous what Mossad did or did not know prior to 911, and what they did or didn’t do concerning that event. So what you say is far from proven.

        • Franklin_Ryckaert

          A conspiracy can only be proven if members of that conspiracy confess. That has not happened, but there is a lot of circumstantial evidence that points in the direction of Israel, American Jews and their gentile accomplices.

      • Carney3

        Eye roll. Not enough names in the book for this tomfoolery.

    • Carney3

      It was long overdue to go after Iraq. 9/11 wasn’t an “excuse’ – it was a wake up call that letting terror sponsor regimes plot against us unmolested is suicidally stupid.

  • WR_the_realist

    Increasingly, in more and more Western countries, truth is not a defense for certain thought crimes. You can be imprisoned for doubting certain claims about the Holocaust regardless of how much evidence you have and how well reasoned your argument is. And increasingly the same “principle” is being applied to issues involving race realism.

  • WR_the_realist

    No. In the lamestream media there are right wing extremists but no left wing extremists. There are ultra-rightists but no ultra-leftists. There are right wing terrorists but no left wing terrorists.

  • libertarian1234

    Samaras and his goons have got to go. They’re terrorists and extremists who have forced multiculturalism on people who don’t want it, and it has weakened their country horribly.

    GD needs to buy arms and ammunition….if they do not yet have them stashed somewhere …… in order to fight back if the hooded pigs try to attack them again.

    They must now work to get underground cells established under the concept of leaderless resistance.

    The arrests were political and illegal, and the present regime is as criminal as the one in Stalinist Russia.

  • If these are the same goons that force state-sponsored multiculturalism down the throats of the Greek population and hinge their economy on a global Corporatist model, would I assume that when they use the word “fascist” it would just mean someone who is opposed to their brand of Fascism?

    • ms_anthro

      Orwellian word inversion is a hallmark of our enemies. Think of it almost like a signature. The parasitic globalist class will only ever accuse us of the very things they are doing.

  • And who was the Attorney General who tried to string her up?

    Oh right, Tony Abbott.

  • Carney3

    Golden Dawn is ultimately a dead end. It is indeed a neo-Nazi party, is full of crackpot anti-Semitic Holocaust-denying Islamist sympathizers. I’d love to know how the other nationalist party, the Popular Orthodox Rally, had failed to properly capitalize on the discontent over the economic downturn, and indeed ended up losing its parliamentary representation. The POR had a chance of entering a coalition government and forcing through actual policy changes, and had a tough line on immigration. The GD is a diversion into certain failure.

  • Raised Its Ugly Head

    Either it’s a Whitey who doesn’t live near blacks, or one who is surrounded by blacks and just uses anti white code words as cammo.

  • Carney3

    This is a good, informative summary.

    I’m still looking to find out why LAOS (the Popular Orthodox Rally) lost so many votes in 2012, falling not only out of parliament but also out of the cabinet of the conservatives. Maybe any party that had any connection to the government lost credibility with a furious electorate.

    Also, this sentence: “Metaxas left office in 1941.” is a howler. British level under-statement. He left office because he DIED in office.

  • Ella

    If you look at Texas, who mostly voted for Romney, they have many well educated voters and the highest number of engineers in the US. Most of the voters in Texas are white and older since many Latinos are too young to vote. Texas also has a very high percentage of millionaires and small businesses. Some successful people are self-made who avoided college or dropped out to pursue a niche in the business world.

  • Ella

    Well, look at the Republican candidates for the last 10 years: Bush, McCain and Romney. Can they get any worse? I don’t think there is a relationship between diplomacy and/or intelligence and voting behaviours but the candidates who suck to say the least do an excellent job in deflecting votes. There were so-called conservatives who voted for Obama, because no one wants to risk another Middle East invasion from the fundamentalist Republicans. There are many reasons beyond education, John.

    • JohnEngelman

      Genes matter. Genes matter.

      • Ella

        True…….

  • Carney3

    Sold out how? What kind of deals? I’m all for nationalist parties holding the balance of power to extract deals from the “safe” conservative parties – in return for a parliamentary majority, substantial improvement in immigration policy has to happen, such as major reductions in overall numbers, language and assimilation requirements, etc. Doesn’t mean the nationalist party gives up on its bigger or longer-term objectives, any more than Greens or Communists do when they enter into coalitions with center-left parties.

  • Carney3

    Yes of course there are some ultra-Orthodox in Israel who hate anyone not themselves. But they are highly controversial at best even among the Israeli right, let alone broader Israeli society. Even the current conservative government is moving to curb some of the longstanding special treatment this group enjoyed, such as exemption from the draft. In any case, all religious and ethnic groups have “ultras” in their ranks who look down on all outsiders. Instead of seizing on the presence of such people in Israel as an excuse to to justify already pre-existing anti-Semitic crackpottery, we should realize that Israel has been a staunch friend of the USA throughout the Cold War and afterwards, and that blaming Israel for Political Correctness and anti-white policies in Western nations is delusional.