5 Immigration Falsehoods from the White House

Jessica Zuckerman and Ken McIntyre, The Foundry, September 6, 2013

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On the White House blog, Cecilia Muñoz, assistant to the President and director of the Domestic Policy Council, laid out the Obama Administration’s take on the benefits of “commonsense immigration reform.” {snip}

Here is how five of the White House’s latest claims stack up against the facts.

1. CLAIM: The Senate-passed bill would reduce the deficit.

FACT: It would explode the deficit.

While a properly functioning immigration system could indeed help reduce the deficit and grow the economy, the amnesty portion of the Senate bill would be extremely costly for American taxpayers, particularly in the long run. As Heritage senior research fellow Robert Rector has explained:

Amnesty and citizenship would make 11.5 million illegal immigrants eligible for Social Security, Medicare, Obamacare, and more than 80 different means-tested welfare programs such as food stamps and public housing. The average illegal immigrant is 34 years old and has a 10th-grade education. At that age, education levels would increase very little after amnesty.

Under the Senate-passed amnesty bill, each current illegal immigrant would receive more than $900,000 in government benefits over his lifetime while paying around $300,000 in taxes—a net cost of more than $600,000 to taxpayers. Even if the wages of amnesty recipients were to soar by 25 percent, the long-term costs per recipient would be more than $500,000—costs ultimately borne by the American taxpayer.

2. CLAIM: The Senate-passed bill would increase wages.

FACT: Many workers’ wages would decrease.

The wages of formerly illegal immigrants would likely increase, as Heritage has also projected, under the bill. However, many legally present workers would find their wages lower, as immigration expert George Borjas of Harvard found.

3. CLAIM: The Senate-passed bill would eliminate visa backlogs and reduce wait times.

FACT: It would overwhelm the current immigration system.

The current immigration system is slow and overly complex. Yet rather than address these problems, S. 744 would thrust millions of additional people into the system by granting amnesty to those who are in the U.S. illegally and unrealistically requiring our immigration services to first clear the backlog of those waiting to enter the country legally.

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4. CLAIM: The Senate-passed bill would provide a “lengthy but fair” path to earned citizenship.

FACT: Amnesty itself is inherently unfair.

Amnesty is deeply unfair to all those who waded through the complex and convoluted immigration system to come and remain here legally, and the approximately 4.4 million who at this very moment are waiting in line to come.

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5. CLAIM: The Senate-passed bill would improve employment-based visa programs.

FACT: It would make the process worse.

Take the H-1B visa program, which allows employers to hire qualified immigrant workers to fill highly skilled positions. {snip}

However, the Senate bill would impose a list of new restrictions on employers of H-1B visa recipients. These include requiring employers to pay higher wages to most H-1B workers than current U.S. workers and other requirements that would create a bureaucratic nightmare for employers and put them in legal jeopardy.

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  • Puggg

    I don’t agree with point #5. The “rebuttal” is written as if the person who wrote it approves of H-1B visas, and in fact, the Heritage Foundation, (where this came from), does support H-1B and massive legal immigration. And as a matter of fact, the Gang of 8 bill massively expands the number of H-1B visas.

    Point 1 and 2 are common sense. You don’t let in more potential welfare clients without increasing the amount of money welfare programs must spend, therefore increasing the deficit, and you don’t let in more people competing for an almost static job supply universe without lowering wages and salaries.

    • Sick of it

      The job supply for full time jobs has been decreasing. Especially better paying jobs.

  • DudeWheresMyCountry?

    FACT: This immigration lie will be the end of middle class and first-world America.

    The slogans should simply read, “Are you ready to support your own destruction?”

    • The end of the middle class? Isn’t that the whole point?

      • Franklin_Ryckaert

        If you want a slave state, then an educated middle class is a source of danger. The endgame is : a small elite at the top with the rest consisting of poor uneducated (and obedient) proletarians.

    • RisingReich

      If we were ever ‘asked’ – we would have said no. In fact, the vast majority of Americans are still saying NO. You’d think this mask of ‘free elections’ would be seen for what it is, a MASK over the tyranny that has become ‘gubmint’.

    • sbuffalonative

      The slogan I post everywhere is AMNESTY IS NOT IMMIGRATION REFORM

      • Stentorian_Commentator

        True, but increasing legal immigration by other means would be just as big a problem. We need to push for an effective moratorium on immigration for at least a few decades, something like no more than 50,000 or so per year let in (unless we’re trying to save the Boers from murder). Refugees should be shuffled off to refugee camps that provide the bare minimum for subsistence, and then let’s see how many wish to remain here as refugees. Marriage to a citizen should not provide permanent residence, but temporary residence for the duration of the marriage. If that seems unfair, tough.

  • JohnEngelman

    2. CLAIM: The Senate-passed bill would increase wages.

    – Jessica Zuckerman and Ken McIntyre, The Foundry, September 6, 2013

    More immigrants mean more people. More people mean more job applicants. More job applicants mean that it is more difficult to get a job, easier to lose one, and that wages decline.

    No amount of sophistry should be allowed to cloud that simple reality.

    • Amnesty would also disproportionately impact undereducated, unskilled US citizens, the people who are already forced to compete for jobs with illegal aliens.

      • Spartacus

        Good. Recruit them, start your own PLEs. The worst things are, the better they are.

      • Bossman

        So you’re saying that there is no upward mobility in the illegal immigrant community.

        • Greg Thomas

          Yeah, they experience “upward mobility” the moment they violate our sovereignty and pump out their first anchor baby. Their mobility continues to climb for each subsequent anchor spawn. They never had it so good in mexico. America is mexico’s welfare system.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Immigration wasn’t bad for the US economy from 1776 to 1965 because the immigrants were almost all white.

      It’s a disaster now because most immigrants are black and hispanic and therefore a drag on the economy.

      I’m sure you already knew that but I just wanted to clarify your argument in case some misunderstood your point.

      • WR_the_realist

        Immigration was also at far lower levels than it is now. Current legal immigration is over 100,000 people a month. We used to get 200,000 in a year.

        • Oil Can Harry

          Indeed the current amnesty plan is to ship 33 million third worlders into the country. That’s more people than there are in Canada.

          Where are the environmentalists? They should be howling about the increases in gridlock traffic, sprawl and “ecological devastation” that would be caused by 33 million newcomers.

          • OnGuard

            The Sierra Club split in two years ago over just that issue!

          • Brian

            Bill McKibben, a professor in whitopia Middlebury, VT thinks this horde of Mexicans is wonderful for the green movement, because ‘they are full of hope’. Utter delusion. They’re working in the fields, construction, landscaping or a poultry plant, trying to scrape by and send money home, and this numbskull thinks their top priority is to separate paper and plastic, and buy an electric car. Just by being here, they are automatically increasing their material and fuel consumption closer to first-world levels, massively worsening environmental problems.

          • kjh64

            That is the problem with naïve people like Bill McKibben. They don’t live around them. Let’s ship thousands to live around Bill. Bet he’d have the house up for sale quickly and say the neighborhood went bad.

      • JohnEngelman

        High quality immigrants exert a more depressing effect on wages.

        • Oil Can Harry

          I would argue that European immigrants have traditionally created at least as many jobs as they’ve taken from native born whites.

          The 90% white USA of the 50s and 60s may have had the strongest economy of any nation in history.

          • JohnEngelman

            The turn of the last century was a time of high economic inequality, and for the same reason the present is: a high rate of immigration.

        • Bossman

          Only if they agree to work for sub-standard wages.

          • JohnEngelman

            The more people there are competing for a specific job the lower the eventual wage will be. It is the law of supply and demand.

        • Brian

          I work in IT and can testify to the effect the H1B-ers have in my arena. Poor Zuckerberg can’t find enough engineers and programmers? Is this guy not rich enough, that he needs to import competition for me and run down wages more?

      • T_Losan

        Also, in the period you cite there was a lot of minimally skilled work to be done. Now there isn’t. In addition, the immigrants of yesteryear intended to become Americans, going so far as changing their names. Now they don’t even bother to learn English and send their earnings back to their own country.

      • Sick of it

        Immigration was bad in how it changed the political and social sphere in America. We became like, quite frankly, rotten old Europe. After a certain point most of the European immigrants were pushing for state control of everything, the loss of freedoms, and welfare programs…just like at home.

    • Sick of it

      Sadly, most people have a poor grasp of basic economic theory.

    • Stentorian_Commentator

      Way too many are willing to ignore the dynamic interactions of supply and demand on price. That is one part of economics that is close to a law of nature, like gravity. It’s as if they think they can walk off a cliff and keep walking through the air without dropping.

    • Bossman

      It is not as simple as that. More people means more demand for goods and services. When a factory closes, more often than not it is because there’s not enough demand for what they are producing.

  • John Ulfsson

    I absolutely hate how the main segment of Mexican political activity consists of getting more Mexicans in the US. Yeah, multiculturalism really works, they’re totally not just working towards the interest of their group and against us.

    • borogirl54

      What is wrong with doing what we did during the Depression? That was sending them all back to Mexico so that they would not compete with US citizens for jobs.

      • Bossman

        And that didn’t solve the problem of the Great Depression. There was zero immigration during the Great Depression. Some people claim that that in it self caused the Great Depression. The Great Depression was a worldwide shutting down of trade and migration among all nations.

        • kjh64

          Nobody said it would solve the problem of the Great Depression. However, sending foreigners home would mean that the few jobs there were would rightfully go to Americans.

    • OnGuard

      The motto of LaRaza(the Race) translates to “For our race everything, for the rest, nothing!” And yet they get $miilions from the gub’mint! The woman cited in this article, Cecilia Munoz was one of the heads of LaRaza (now a chief advisor to Obongo).

      • me

        Infiltration, corruption, and racism by LaRaza. Where’s the ACLU, the SPLC, and the NAACP? This is a race war, but nobody will admit it.

  • Evette Coutier

    facts
    – the Senate bill will increase crime.
    -taxes will go up to pay for more police and provisions.
    -increased crime will be used to justify additional anti-gun legislation
    – property values will plummet.

  • Spartacus

    FACT : People who just jumped the fence from another country have no loyalty to the country in which they just jumped the fence. Also, they’re of the inferior race, so even if they were loyal, that still wouldn’t help at all.

  • odious liberal

    The importation of poverty benefits no one.

    • joesolargenius

      Statement :The importation of poverty benefits no one.
      Actually it is by the increase of poverty that the Socialist gain control of a larger group of people in any given area .The upper echelons of the Socialist party have mostly always been Homosexuals and this allows th

      • IstvanIN

        Sotomayer is married.

        • joesolargenius

          I bet they still got young female staffers cleaning their carpet.

  • Whitetrashgang

    Most politicans just lie and steal, we still need a third party just to fight illegal aliens.. Failing that what about a tax revolt, if 25% of white people don’t pay taxes they would be forced to deport all the illegals. Trust me we are at least 50 % of whites in real life.

    • White Makes Right

      That’s not what they would do. They would just import more illegals and try to keep the Ponzi scheme going. If we stop using their money,though, they would lose a 5#itload of credit internationally. Especially if non-American whites are the ones who refuse to take U.S. dollars as currency. It would cause a credit contraction that might bring the juggernaut to a crawl or maybe even a halt.

  • IKantunderstand

    Let’s make it easy. No more immigrants, legal or illegal. No more refugees seeking asylum. Enough. We know who is behind this mass immigration into historically White and successful nations; countries that have been a part of civilizing the world, creating art, music, technology, literature, universities, architecture, and technology. We have already shared our accomplishments with the world. Now, it has been decided we must also share our homelands, and, in fact our homes and beds with these colored savage interlopers. When are we going to have our version of the EDL? I am sick of this. If I desire to look at a minaret on a mosque, I should have to travel to the mideast, not around the block. When I travel to Europe, I want to look at and meet Europeans. Not faux Europeans, not some Black who now lives in France. He is not French, he will never be French. But yet, this is what is being done to us. It is being done purposefully and with malice aforethought. The coloreds around the world, and our own children are being taught that White people and Western civilization is the scourge of the world. And, the only cure for this scourge is our removal from the face of the earth. We have two choices:Death by miscegenation, or death(plain vanilla). This is what is planned for us, unless we fight back and start doing it now. There is no other choice. We don’t fight back, we die out. We fight back, we might win, if we don’t win, we die out. We face death as a race, our only chance to live is to fight back, and fight to the death if need be, because we are marked for death regardless. Look at what is happening to Whites in South Africa, in Zimbabwe, in England, in the United(for now)States of America. We have been marked for extinction. I think the powers that be would prefer race mixing, everybody being cheerioed, you know, everyone is a little tan circle, nomnom. Screw that. Revolution 2.0.

    • Whitetrashgang

      The thing is how do we start, and who is going to lead? This talking on the internet is getting old, very old.

      • IKantunderstand

        I agree that: “this talking on the internet is getting old, very old.” What are your suggestions as to how we start? I have already suggested many avenues. Why don’t you lead?

      • JohnEngelman

        If one feels something strongly it is easy to overestimate the number of people who feel the same way, and easy to underestimate the difficulty to convert others to one’s persuasion.

        One does not get places in politics by changing other people’s minds. One gets places by articulating and challenging sentiments that already exist.

    • me

      There will be rectification. Have you forgotten your history? How many centuries, how many times, have the peoples of the North been laid siege to? How many of the uneducated, unintelligent, and brutal degenerate races have tried to dominate us? Steal our wealth, our lands, our beautiful women, and enslave our people? How many wars, and how many victories have we had? This is NOTHING! A bunch of weak, effeminate money whores calling out words from their air-conditioned cocoons, and saying, “This is the law that we have laid down. You must obey!” Their power is illusion, their souls corrupt, their concern for only their vainglorious dreams of rule over beings that are superior to them in every way. They crawl on their bellies to the worship of Mammon, inciting the wrath and disgust of every righteous man. Their corridors of power reek with the foulest of corruptions and evil. You think that this usurpation will last? Do you think that the Creator has given them dominion? WE have, by our passive and silent acceptance. Are we to be slaves to the abominations that try to own and control us? Accept this no longer. Look to your forefathers, gird your loins, and FIGHT! Fight with words, fight with money, fight with time, and fight with resistance and shunning. Fight in your local communities. Fight in your local elections. Educate yourself, then educate your family and friends. Form alliances. Fight with your fists, if necessary. Fight with any means necessary. This is a battle of the mind and spirit, for now. They are on the wrong side of nature, righteousness, and truth. Their strongholds are but a house of cards, their power, illusion. Their money, their indoctrinations, their values–worthless! These times will fall into history as a dark smear on the world, and we will, once again, triumph!

      • IKantunderstand

        Fabulous speech, me. But please, do you have a game plan? My game plan consists of all White people not showing up for work. Not showing up for volunteer duties. We White people, pick a day that none of us show up to work on. We could stop the world. We Whites control the world. Period. We only pretend that the rest of the worlds ethnic and racial grouping are as smart as we are.

        • me

          I’m in! Let’s make it a month….

        • me

          What did you miss? The whole post was a ‘game plan’. This is not a game, though. It’s deadly serious.

          • IKantunderstand

            me, sorry about the sports metaphor. I am not sure Whites could sustain not showing up for work for a month’s duration. The world would come to a screeching halt. Wait, now that I think about it, a month would be perfect. Talk about gortifying the world, this would work much better. Also, I would like to suggest that everybody who has a mind to, write S.P.O.O.C. on everything as a graffiti campaign.

  • sbuffalonative

    How could any economist claim that more workers would increase wages when Economics 101 teaches the opposite? These people lie and expect us to believe them.

    1. CLAIM: The Senate-passed bill would reduce the deficit.

    The vast majority of immigrants would have low wage jobs. Mexicans have large families. How can anyone believe that a worker with a larger than average family could afford to live in a 1st world nation earning only minimum wage? Someone has to pay for food, housing, transportation subsidies.

    Paul Ryan is supposed to be a brilliant economist. How can we expect him to believe the things he says about immigrants boosting the economy?

  • kjh64

    You mean the 40 million illegals.

  • Brian

    You raise a good point about how to draw in a critical mass, from people who could be sympathetic but are not ready for the messages of the ‘inner circle/true believers’. Personally, I am not naturally a conservative. I have no problem with gays, environmental protection, or social safety nets, nor am I a Christian. During the time of the New Deal and segregation, I think I would have supported the CCC, WPA, Social Security, and so forth. But I have been driven into this movement here because of the effects of immigration, the constant drumbeat of White Liberal Guilt, daily frustration at dealing with Diversity/crime, affirmative action, outsourcing, the surveillance state…

    In a nutshell, I feel that my tribe, and the next generation’s ability to prosper, is under siege from different fronts, and so I’m in hunker-down mode. I’m not sure there is a Grand Conspiracy To Destroy The Glorious White Race, but the overall effect of all the actors and variables in play amounts to almost the same thing…demographic, cultural and economic decline. There are many moderates who could, if properly messaged, make common cause with us, or at least stop fighting us so vehemently. Telling someone, for example, ‘you don’t want the Section 8-ers moving into next to you, do you’ would be more effective than a bunch of Sieg Heil stuff. I’m not saying the more hardcore people are wrong, but you have to introduce people slowly to things…something to make the medicine go down.

    • JohnEngelman

      I feel some of the same frustrations and stresses you and others here do. That is why this website appeals to me.

      H-1B visas destroyed my computer career. I have been mugged, robbed at gunpoint, and nearly murdered by blacks.

      Nevertheless, I realize that just because I feel something strongly does not mean that enough other people feel it for those feelings to generate a political movement capable of changing the United States.

      Political movements and political behavior can be counter productive. I was active in the anti-war movement during the War in Vietnam. I continue to believe that the War was tragically futile. However, I also believe that the socially disruptive behavior of many anti-war demonstrators angered voters and caused them to vote for hawks who prolonged the war.

      Although I supported the civil rights movement as a child, I have become disenchanted with it. However, the violent response by many segregationists to peaceful civil rights demonstrations offended fair minded white racial moderates, and led to the passing of the civil rights legislation.

      Then the black ghetto riots that happened from 1964 to 1968 generated a white backlash that caused the United States to become a Republican country. The only people who have benefited economically from the Republican ascendancy have been rich people, and the rather small minority of those with the talent and luck to become rich.