East Asian Physical Traits Linked to 35,000-Year-Old Mutation

Nicholas Wade, New York Times, February 14, 2013

Gaining a deep insight into human evolution, researchers have identified a mutation in a critical human gene as the source of several distinctive traits that make East Asians different from other races.

The traits—thicker hair shafts, more sweat glands, characteristically identified teeth and smaller breasts—are the result of a gene mutation that occurred about 35,000 years ago, the researchers have concluded.

The discovery explains a crucial juncture in the evolution of East Asians. But the method can also be applied to some 400 other sites on the human genome. The DNA changes at these sites, researchers believe, mark the turning points in recent human evolution as the populations on each continent diverged from one another.

The first of those sites to be studied contains the gene known as EDAR. Africans and Europeans carry the standard version of the gene, but in most East Asians, one of the DNA units has mutated.

Seeking to understand if the gene was the cause of thicker hair in East Asians with the variant gene, a team of researchers led by Yana G. Kamberov and Pardis C. Sabeti at the Broad Institute in Cambridge, Mass., decided to test the gene in mice, where its effects could be more easily explored.

Mice already have EDAR, an ancient mammalian gene that plays a leading role in the embryo in shaping hair, skin and teeth. The Broad team engineered a strain of mice whose EDAR gene had the same DNA change as the East Asian version of EDAR.

When the mice grew up, the researchers found they did indeed have thicker hair shafts, confirming that the changed gene was the cause of East Asians’ thicker hair. But the gene had several other effects, they report in Thursday’s issue of the journal Cell.

One was that the mice, to the researchers’ surprise, had extra sweat glands. A Chinese member of the team, Sijia Wang, then tested people in China and discovered that they, too, had more numerous sweat glands, evidently another effect of the gene.

Another surprise was that the engineered mice had less breast tissue, meaning that EDAR could be the reason that East Asian women have generally smaller breasts.

East Asians have distinctively shaped teeth for which their version of EDAR is probably responsible. But the mice were less helpful on this point; their teeth are so different from humans’ that the researchers could not see any specific change.

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East Asians are sometimes assumed to have evolved in a cold environment because of their narrow nostrils, which conserve heat, and the extra eyelid fat that insulates the eye. But the Broad team calculates that the EDAR variant arose about 35,000 years ago in central China and that the region was then quite warm and humid. Extra sweat glands would have been advantageous to the hunter-gatherers who lived at that time.

But Joshua Akey, a geneticist at the University of Washington in Seattle, said he thought the more likely cause of the gene’s spread among East Asians was sexual selection. Thick hair and small breasts are visible sexual signals which, if preferred by men, could quickly become more common as the carriers had more children. The genes underlying conspicuous traits, like blue eyes and blond hair in Europeans, have very strong signals of selection, Dr. Akey said, and the sexually visible effects of EDAR are likely to have been stronger drivers of natural selection than sweat glands.

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The Broad team is studying EDAR as part of a larger plan to identify all the genetic variants responsible for recent human evolution. {snip}

A team led by Dr. Sabeti and Sharon R. Grossman of the Broad Institute has now refined the usual scanning methods and identified 412 sites on the genome that have been under selection. Each site is small enough that it contains at most a single gene.

Each race has a different set of selected regions, reflecting the fact that the human population had dispersed from its African homeland and faced different challenges that led to genetic adaptation on each continent. About 140 of the sites affected by natural selection are in Europeans, 140 in East Asians and 132 in Africans, the authors report in another article published Thursday in Cell.

Inserting some of the other selected genes into mice might help explain why they were favored, and point to critical turning points in recent human evolution, Dr. Sabeti said.

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  • The__Bobster

    But the Broad team calculates that the EDAR variant arose about 35,000
    years ago in central China and that the region was then quite warm and
    humid. Extra sweat glands would have been advantageous to the
    hunter-gatherers who lived at that time.
    __________

    Short, stubby bodies are designed for the cold, not the heat.

    BTW, what males, besides Engleman, would prefer small boobs and weird teeth?

    • David Ashton

      Genetic analysis refutes the still persistent rubbish that (1) races do not exist or (2) all races are the same under the skin. Here is confirmation of the thesis from Carleton Coon and others that races are largely populations adapted to climatic circumstances or diverse habitats. It also raises the possibility that some race-crossings will lead to maladaptations however slight.
      On the personal issue, the preference for giant mammary glands has notoriously been a white north American specialty (the Playboy centerfold, &c). But the preference for an attractive facial profile rather than the oriental flat-pudding, wide eyes rather then slits, and slender rather than stubby legs, would seem more widespread among Caucasian males. Oddly enough I have just returned from an evening theater performance at which I noticed a Chinese woman with a cartoon-caricature of a face, guessing that she was an older man’s “internet purchase”, whereas some weeks ago I was at a dinner which had among the waitresses a strikingly pretty young girl I guess of mixed white and oriental parentage. I suppose it takes all sorts to make a world, but I still say each to his own is best.

      • crystalevans

        Like I have said before, white men who prefer Asian women have a tendency to prefer petite women and a petite woman would be small breasted to begin with.

        • Diversity is BAD

          Sorry, but breast size has nothing to do with height, but race. My Italian American wife is only 5ft3 and just like her sister and cousins would put much taller Christina Hendricks to shame in that department.

          Southern European women are definitely shorter than Northern European females but they are just as voluptuous, if not more in case you haven’t noticed. While American black women also appear to have bigger breasts compared to africans because of their prevalent obesity, it is an obvious fact that the overwhelming majority of mongoloid females have small breasts, flat buttocks and narrow hips regardless of their height. It’s not just the same dark hair, eyes and flat nose that gave you that “clone” reputation.

          This latest article is another confirmation that asians like yourself are not like White people and constantly defending your asian race here is of no interest to us.

          • Morris Thecat

            Is Crystalevans asian? Do you assume she is just from the one post? Shooting form the hip?

          • Intrepid

            Spend time in Asia. If you live in the U,S then you’re probably not seeing enough Asians to know how wrong you are.

          • pcmustgo

            Jewish women are supposed to have the largest breasts on average…

          • Harry McNicholas

            Please convince Mongolian women about what you say. They are generally tall with full figures. Their facial features also vary. There are blond Mongolians and also many with green eyes.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          Petite is nice, but I wanted one who was intelligent without being neurotic and who could be happy without needing a lot of expensive garbage. I also would never have accepted anyone from an organized religion. I think you are over-simplifying.

          • Joseph

            Race is an oversimplification too but, here we are.

          • Intrepid

            If your wife’s Asian then what are you doing on AR? Does she know you come here?

          • Michael_C_Scott

            My wife is an archconservative *Japanese*, so of course she knows I post here. Sayaka even posted here herself several years ago.

            What I am doing on AR is a more complicated issue. I am 3/16 white and the rest northeast woodlands Amerind: Cherokee and Tuscarora. I am tall and have grey eyes and brown hair and look white.

            I don’t hate Jews, and at age 46, I doubt I ever will, so I’m not made out in the stormtrooper mold. My last interaction with a Jewish family was to help them move their refrigerator after we ate Thanksgiving dinner with them.

            These things make me unacceptable for Stormfront.

            Sayaka is from a famous navy family, and she says the IJN should have sent “Kido Butai” into the Meditteranean to help the British. That would have been six fast carriers, four fast battleships and perhaps 12 heavy cruisers. Italy and the US would never have entered the war and the global conflagration would have been averted.

            My wife is “Asian”, but using the “one drop” rule, I am Amerind. One of my Australian friends observed that I could dilute it out all I wanted, but could never get rid of it all. He was Chinese.

            Did you want me marrying white women, especially after a four-count federal felony conviction and (apparently) permanent status on the US Terrorist Watch List? Perhaps a fat one with some half-black kids I would be expected to support?

            Perhaps I am “white” only when I am a brilliant lab chemist.

            If I should retreat from AmRen, where should I go?

          • Intrepid

            I don’t buy that the general opinion on A/R or any other white race realist site influenced your decision to marry anyone. Chances are you simply find Asian women more attractive than White women. Also, given the overall negative comments about Asians on here, and that your wife knows yet still thinks it’s acceptable, indicates that she’s at least somewhat self-hating. You being here is an insult to her.

          • AutomaticSlim

            “Also, given the overall negative comments about Asians on here..”

            There are many positive comments too.

            Does “race realism” always equal “White nationlism”?
            I will only speak for myself, but I would say no.

            I have no problem with decent, hard working, law abiding east Asians. Now, that doesn’t mean I support unfettered immigration or the repopulating America with non-Whites. But if the US were say 85% White and 15% other, and about 10% of that “other” were East Asians, I would have no problem.

            I will admit though, the fact that Asians voted 70% for Obama is very, very discouraging. I attribute this to the fact that many Asian American kids attend liberal colleges, and have been brain washed by their professors. But this happened with White American kids too.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Uh Slim. You realize that all the Americas was originally populated by those Asians correct? Almost all people south of the border are at least 50% Asian. A large number of people in Canada the same. There is a fairly famous Mexican actor with the nick name “El Koreano” and yes he looks like he should be in Seoul. He has never been to Korea and his family is Mayan and not Korean. Also, Asian immigrants outperform White kids in the same schools and Asians will earn an average of 10,000 bucks per year over a life time to that of a White American. Sorry I will take them in and maybe they can teach the modern Americans about work.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            I have never yet read here or anywhere else that Japanese men were cowards. They routinely accepted 100% losses, which would have made anyone else mutiny. I would certainly have done what Sayaka’s great-grandfather did.

            I accept death, because all death is certain, and logically one can not be afraid of a certainty.

            If my being here is an insult to anything, it is an insult to death.

          • Intrepid

            My post will probably get deleted, but it needs to be said. You sound just as messed up as she is. Something that’s likely common to most interracial couples.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            I’m already 3/16 Amerind, so what exactly is “interracial” about my family? It wouldn’t matter if I’d gone one way or the other. Maybe I could have had myself “fixed”, but I doubt the racial purists among you would want me dating your sisters, even without the possibility of children.

            As for being “messed up”, I’m a lot less so than I once was, and many folks still are. I make “jokes” in some of my posts about hanging our enemies from lamp-posts, which the moderators almost always redact,

            I know exactly what I am, and am well-adjusted to it.

            I love Western Civilization, and I don’t want it ruined. I would do literally *anything* to save it from PC liberalism, and that’s why I post here.

            Peace.

          • pcmustgo

            1/4th Amer-Inds, and I’ve known many, in fact my best friend is one, are pretty white looking…

          • Morris Thecat

            right, they were AFRAID to do what they knew was right- TO MUTINY! They were cowards. Those who are always subservient to authority and traditions are always cowards. They may call it “honor” but the truth is that it is just plain cowardice.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Sayaka’s great-grandfather sent an extremely insulting letter to his superiors before he flew his last mission. He wasn’t one of your “cowards”.

          • Harry McNicholas

            You are an idiot and liar. In the battle of Okinawa, 24,000 Japanese marines and soldiers refused to surrender and they all died instead of surrendering, This is why Truman and the generals decided they must bomb Japan and not invade it. The Japanese army was not defeated and had 800,000 troops on Honshu and the Americans knew they all would fight along with the Japanese people.

          • Harry McNicholas

            If the Japanese men were cowards, 24,000 of them would not have died in battle on Okinawa. There are short ones, tall ones, fat ones, skinny ones, mean ones, and kind ones but I never met a Japanese coward.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Hm I find attractive women attractive and ugly women ugly.

          • pcmustgo

            I’m half jewish and I post on here…. I’m here because of all my painful, terrible, upsetting and negative experiences with blacks and sometimes latinos, east indians and asians.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Well were you cut only half way? ha ha. True story as told by Groucho Mars. He was living with his family in Beverly Hills and his daughter wanted to use the local social club’s pool but they would not let her in because she was Jewish. So Groucho wrote them a letter explaining she was only half Jewish and maybe she could go in only half way. I was shocked years ago when my Jewish friend told me we were going to visit his aunt Ohara.

          • Luca

            I assume anyone can come here for some realism and free speech. What do you suppose Jared’s view are of Asians? Were you looking for a site of realists or racists? I would never post on a racist site as it would serve no purpose and White racists will never be given the time of day. Being realistic is more…well..realistic and honest.
            Due to the freedoms we enjoy, anyone can marry anyone of the opposite sex whom they choose. What is unrealistic is the government using tax money and promoting cheerleader squads forcing us to believe “Diversity is our strength” and forcing more diverse people to live with each other when this is not a natural occurence.
            Asians are not the enemy, White elite liberals are. I’d be more upset if my kid married a liberal than an Asian.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Amy Chu, the TIger Mom, is married to a Jewish fellow.

      • Cyclops

        Given that DNA is responsible for what is expressed in a human’s physical appearance, we do not actually need decades of scientific research to know that race exists. Only a pair of functioning eyes is required. Science is merely verifying what we see.

        • David Ashton

          Of course, but the PC fad encouraged by “scientists” like Lewontin is that the outward appearance is virtually all there is to it, etc. Even geneticists like Cavalli-Sforza have to pay lip-service to this theme.

        • MikeofAges

          I remember that old joke — More t*t in Israel than in all of Japan. Finally, we have scientific proof!

        • BluGene

          Given that our human ancestors mixed in so many unbelievable ways to form what we have today as distinct physical traits, I predict that further mixing is going to happen whether we like it or not, unless we tamper with the laws of nature to which nature retaliates by wiping us out in larger numbers. Laws of attraction are different for each species on this planet and I think the same is applicable to humans whether or not we have a conscience about our racial identity.

        • Harry McNicholas

          Not really. All of us are mixed. My grandson is three quarters Mexican. He has blond hair, very White complexion with blue eyes. Mongolians are suppose to look like typical East Asians with black straight hair and dark brown eyes and the typical East Asia eyes. Well not exactly, my friend has light brown hair and green eyes. There are Mongolian blonds and many Mongolians who look more like they are from Southern Italy. Most Japanese are suppose to have very straight black hair, thick like a porcupine but my friend had black kinky hair and another has red running through her black hair. Stop making generalizations.

      • Justin Thomas

        Of course people who look different will have different genes “under the skin” which lead to the phenotype. But, scientifically speaking, the difference between two members of different “races” of humans is barely noticeable when you compare it to the difference between two members of the same “race”. Humans are the LEAST genetically diverse (sexually reproducing) species on the planet. And as far as race having any bearing on intelligence, personality, etcetc – no evidence as of yet.

    • Morris Thecat

      Well then, perhaps natural selection happened at a later date. Anything could be possible. Perhaps the people with the thicker hair shafts and more abundant sweat glands migrated north. Then natural selection weeded out the lanky ones and left the stubby ones, and then the stubby ones migrated south again. BTW, not all Chinese are short, and when they are it may be diet related. The younger generations of Japanese are much taller than their grandparents. the younger generations have had much more beef in their diets.

      • Intrepid

        China isn’t a first world nation. The nutrition over there isn’t as good as it is here. If it were, their average size would likely increase substantially. That’s why lots of Asians raised in North America can grow quite tall (at least from my own observations).

        • pcmustgo

          ditto for India, many have noted it

  • brengunn

    I thought East Asians had less sweat glands than whites. Don’t they think we smell?

    • zimriel

      It’s not the sweat that stinks, it’s the rotting dead skin dissolved in it that stinks…

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Diet also affects this. Meat eaters stink more. For a simple pet-store experiment, compare the smell of the poop in dog or cat enclosures with those of the rabbits or guinea pigs.

        • Morris Thecat

          wrong, when it comes to humans, vegetarians stink much much more. When there is fermentation- which is what happens to undigested vegetable matter, cellulose, carbs, etc, the feces has a much stronger smell. I suggest you go on an all meat diet for a month. The first week you may be in distress from the die off of all the pathological bacteria that vegetarians harbor in their system, after that you will discover that for the first time in years you have a feeling of comfort that you had totally forgotten about since you went on the vegetarian diet. You will see that there is an absence of flatulence, you have much fewer movements, and they hardly smell at all. You have fewer movements because when one is eating carbs and fiber, bacteria feed on them, and up to half or more of your movements are actually bacteria. When you limit your diet to meat and fat, there is no proliferation of bacteria and there is no fermentation. This results in no flatulence, no bloating, no intestinal discomfort at all. Most of the fat and protein are absorbed by your body. If you do try that diet you will find that the vegetarian condition of inflamed digestive system with it’s characteristic constipation and or it’s opposite is completely gone.

          • brengunn

            I’ve never been on an all meat diet but I have been both vegetarian and omnivorous. There is much less odour while on a vegetarian diet. I can’t see how eating nothing but meat would be odourless.

          • AutomaticSlim

            Many Indians are vegetarian. That should speak for itself.
            Although I have to believe personal hygiene comes into play as well…

          • convairXF92

            South Asian stink (from sweat glands as well as digestive excreta) largely results from consumption of hing (asafoetida). Hing is a tree resin with an onion-like taste. It is used as a substitute for onions and garlic, which are considered not sattvic (i.e., not good for spiritual health) by some South Asians. Others add it to food as a digestive aid. I ate hing for a while, when sharing an Indian roommate’s cooking, and yes I too sweated hing.

          • AutomaticSlim

            Interesting stuff, thanks for the info!

            I never heard of “hing” before, and I even went to India on a business trip a few years ago. I do know that certain castes refuse to eat anything grown under the ground, I worked with a guy like that once.

          • Morris Thecat

            I tried that stuff- didn’t like it at all. What was worse was the “black salt” or some kind of salt that had a definite sulfur/rotten egg taste to it.

          • Morris Thecat

            I have done vegetarian, standard, and all meat diet. There is almost NO odor on an all meat and fat diet. There was MUCH flatulence and odor on the vegetarian diet. The vegetarian diet also sets up an inflammation in the digestive system that can do great damage. The reason why there are so many IBS cases and celiac cases and Crohns cases and ulcerative colitis cases is because of diets too high in carbs and fiber. Try the all meat diet, you will be surprised.

          • brengunn

            I couldn’t afford an all meat diet. The reason I’m semi vegetarian is because I’m in seemingly permanent penury. If I had the money I wouldn’t hesitate though I just can’t see it myself.

            I mean, is it steak every meal? Can you eat meat broths?

          • Morris Thecat

            no, it is not steak every meal. It is eggs, steak, cheese, fat, pork, and also perhaps some macadamia nuts, although they give me trouble. Google and find the youtube video on how to make dry curd cottage cheese. It is not at all like the cottage cheese one buys at the store. It has a creamy texture but almost no flavor. A little of it goes a long way though as far as hunger is concerned. I did the fat fast diet where I ate a little bit of that with home made lard as well. Not the most tasty diet, but it sure kills hunger. I tried the fat fast with the cream cheese as Atkins suggested, but the little lactose in the cream cheese gave me a lot of trouble. The dry curd with the lard gives me no troubles at all, and when I fat fast I lose about 3 pounds per day for the first three days, then 2 pounds a day for the next few. Lately I have added unsweetened dark chocolate as well.When one is in ketosis, a little food goes a long way. Carbs cause hunger to increase dramatically.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Vegetarians fart more; that’s all.

  • humura

    I taught in China for 2 years. My students did not use deodorant, yet I never smelt them. I do not know what effect having more sweat glands might have on the odor of the sweat. As the showers were located in a building separate from the dorms, they did not shower daily. Yet, I never once smelt body odor.

    • MarcusTrajanus

      John R. Baker’s “Race” mentions the fact that Orientals have very little body odour while blacks are, well, on the other end of the spectrum, as usual.

    • brengunn

      I have read that they have less apocrine sweat glands. They are the glands that are responsible for odour. I had always assumed that meant fewer glands overall, but apparently not.

    • Joseph

      Every Chinese that I run into smells like some kind of garlic preparation.

      • Harry McNicholas

        Likely they were from Hunan province where people eat lots of garlic. Try Italy some time.

  • Eh, I wouldn’t call thicker hair a bad mutation. It’s certainly a better one to have than the male pattern baldness many men, especially white men, seem to have. I’m rather fortunate baldness is a trait I do not carry.

    As for the smaller breasts, it seems that japanese porn star Hitomi Tanaka seemed to bypass that gene.

    • brengunn

      I don’t find them attractive. Or most of them anyway, they don’t seem like real women to me, they look like they’re permanently on the cusp of puberty.

      • zimriel

        I think the word you are looking for is “neoteny”. And the base preference for the younger ones looks to be the same for all of us Neanderthals (and Denisovans).

        European physiques and cultures have neoteny too; blonde hair, for instance, typically is for the young and then darkens with age. Ditto blue eyes. My baby pictures tell me that I went from blond to redhead to brunet (sp?). Also my eyes used to be more green. Blonde hair and blue eyes used to mark females as younger than they were and, so, more desirable.

        But that’s just the West.

        The East seems to have selected different traits for neoteny: epicanthic folds, smaller breasts. A Dark-Age Westerner would consider a child with epicanthics as a “mongoloid” probably with Down’s and leave it on a hilltop. Maybe our cousins out east, when they begat a blond child, had the same feeling of revulsion.

        • brengunn

          I don’t see what epicanthic folds have to do with neoteny. They’re not a signifier of youth. Small pert breasts and hairlessness are traits that could result from neoteny, though.

          Maybe our cousins out east, when they begat a blond child, had the same feeling of revulsion.

          Except, that blond hair is not a sign of retardation, in any race. Whereas, epicanthic folds in a white child may mean Downs syndrome. But I don’t see an Asian having a blond child, why and how could that happen?

          • Dude

            Epicanthic folds are a fetal trait, so they can be related to neoteny.

          • CaptainCroMag

            Blondness in East Asians isn’t very common, but there a few ethnic groups where you can find blond children, such as the Hmong. If you want to see for yourself, google “blond hmong.” I was pretty surprised myself when I first saw naturally blond Asian children.

          • Morris Thecat

            Some say that Genghis Kahn had blonde/light brown hair and blue/green eyes.

          • potato78

            In very old time, about 3000 years ago, East Asia Area had have a lot of blondes, also was like Europe now, had a lot of small countries, at least 20 countries then. Later on, “east asia countries were united around 2500 years ago, called “China”, living condition became poor and at certain periods after then, people fashioned black hair for a long period = selection,
            For example, at certain period, people thought blondes were not healthy, and beautiful, which was 2nd selection in history. So very much easily blondes dispersed in old “China”, they might migrated northern region further ot part of blondes became dark, darker, then black hair. But tender milky white skin was, is now their cultural beauty kept, never lost. Because nobody like to work under SUN, especially as girls and women.
            I think eventually, blondes would disappear too after 500 years, united like china.

          • Harry McNicholas

            This is total BS. The only blond people in East Asia are the Hmong and Mongolians. Some Turkish people had lighter colored hair but no blonds. They did not gain any blonds until they migrated to Central and Western Asia and intermixed with the Europeans.

          • Harry McNicholas

            I asked my Mongolian friend and she says no. Chingiss Khaan had dark hair and eyes. However, Mongolians vary from black hair to blond hair. Dark brown eyes to green eyes but sorry no blue eyes, yet.

          • Harry McNicholas

            The same occurs among the Mongolians. The Hmong and the Mongolians though are not related. It is a trait developed separately in both people. Further west Asians and Europeans met and you will find Central Asians with light hair and eyes but again the trait in Hmong and Mongolians is a mutation among themselves.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Again, another one who is wrong. You bet there are blond Asians. Mongolians and Hmong. The trait is a mutation among both people just as it is among Northern Europeans. They are not related.

        • Harry McNicholas

          Sorry you are wrong. There are many blond Mongolians. There are also many Mongolians with green eyes. Green is a shade of brown. Blue is not. There are also blond Hmong.

      • JohnEngelman

        I have always found them attractive. The first time I saw Oriental girls I thought, “Some white girls are pretty. Some are not. All Oriental girls are pretty.” I was probably seven years old.

        • AutomaticSlim

          Even Margaret Cho? Or the girl who played “Nurse Kelly” on M*A*S*H?

          • NortherTempest

            Margaret Cho looks like Sammo Hung in drag, she also shows a viceral hatred toward whites and particulary Nordic white woman because the beauty standards in the US are Northwestern European.

          • potato78

            You sound like ” White skin battle: East Asians vs. North Europeans”
            http://missosology.info/forum/viewtopic.php?t=91130#p1895731

          • AutomaticSlim

            They zapped your reply to me from below.
            Here is my “counter” reply anyway…

            I agree with your criticism in general, though I think you are being a bit
            too all encompassing. Yes, way too many White females have thrown away the traditional behavior of the 40s and 50s and that is destroying our country. But I have to believe there is a minority (possibly sizable) of traditional White women left.

            I do believe that, in general, North East Asian females do ascribe to a more feminine behavior. And they also are much more receptive to “nice guys” than most White females. NE Asian girls want polite, intelligent, quiet, hard working men, while way too many White women seem to want loud, aggressive, obnoxious, tattooed and pierced barroom jerks.

            I can’t speak for SE Asian women though, I usually steer clear of Third World types.

          • Jefferson

            Southeast Asian women would include Vietnamese women and Filipina women for example. From personal experience, they also tend to want nice guys and they also do ascribe to a more feminine behavior.

          • AutomaticSlim

            I have to admit, the Thai girls do seem very cute.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Never saw a Filipina woman go buong did you? All women vary and you cannot put them into a mold. A famous Mongolian woman who was niece to Kublai Khaan but stayed in Mongolia made a challenge, her name spelled in English is Kunlun. She would marry any man who could beat her in wrestling. The man had to put up 50 horses. Many tried but in the end she wound up with 10,000 horses and was never beaten in wrestling. She did marry but for love.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Hm, I think you need to meet more Asian women. They are just as prone to bad boys as American girls are. You may marry a good boy but you will sleep with a bad boy.

          • potato78

            http://www.thebeijinger.com/forum/2011/04/05/All-White-Women?page=1

            All modern white women are disgusting, masculine, waddling, whiny, inarticulate, gravel-voiced, frizzy-haired, scowling abominations.

          • Morris Thecat

            they all look like Cho when they get older

          • Intrepid

            Nope.

          • Morris Thecat

            Road kill is more appealing.

          • Harry McNicholas

            If she has a different hair color than black it is because she dyed it.

        • a multiracial individual

          John, come on pal. I know you are being facetious but, no race has a monopoly on any characteristic. This Chinese man won a lawsuit against his wife for being ugly.

          http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/man-sues-wife-for-being-ugly-1415695

        • David Ashton

          How many times have you told us this, John?

        • Morris Thecat

          You are the typical lib, or in your case, you are a “proto lib”. You want to be above other white people and you do this by association, adulation, of groups you feel are superior. You are no different than the people who worship blacks because they think that makes them better than other white people.

          • JohnEngelman

            The difference is that Oriental people deserve to be admired.

          • Morris Thecat

            Name the Asian Isaac Newton, the Asian Copernicus, name any Asian that contributed to the scientific understanding of the world. Why are they so conspicuously absent in this regard? A chinese city had gas lights centuries ago, they used bamboo pipes to channel the gas, yet they did not develop a petrochemical industry. They had firecrackers but did not develop cannons, rifles, machine guns etc. It was the European minds that took such things beyond the very primitive and basic and developed modern technologies. China was a medieval country all the way up to the fall of the Ching dynasty. China has only just recently caught up with the west by copying it’s technology. Japan was also a medieval country until it sent people out to learn from the west. The Asians are hard workers and great conformists. They do not innovate. They have a moderately high aggregate IQ but they have few geniuses and creative thinkers. you can quote academics all day long. Their writings and research are nothing compared to the record of achievement. The modern world was created SOLELY by the white Europeans John. There is just no way around that. If the asian countries had not had contact with the west, they would still be medieval.

          • JohnEngelman

            From the fall of the Western Roman Empire to the beginning of the Italian Renaissance Chinese civilization clearly eclipsed what existed in the West.

            The imperial exam system in China had a paradoxical effect on the Chinese nation. On the one hand it enabled brilliant men from humble origins to enter the Scholar Gentry. These were expected to have several wives and many children. Because they were well paid most of their children survived and reproduced.

            While this was happening intelligent peasant boys in Europe entered the priesthood of the Roman Catholic Church where they were forbidden to have any children at all. Differing population pressures explain higher average IQs for Chinese.

            However, the imperial exams were based on ancient Chinese classics, rather than on science. This caused the most intelligent Chinese to look backward, rather than to make innovations. Now that the Chinese are looking forward they have a prominence in science departments in America’s best universities far out of proportion to their numbers. In China scientists are catching up with Western scientists.

          • Morris Thecat

            you can try to comfort yourself with this line all you want, the truth is that the west eclipsed China, in a very big way. and China was no more advanced than Rome had ever been. China just stood still for centuries. It is not that China Eclipsed the west. the west slid backward, and then a few centuries later, zoomed past China which had not changed a bit in centuries.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Actually you are wrong. It was the Chinese economy until 1850 that drove the world’s economy. The British had nothing the Chinese needed so they fought the Opium wars to make the Chinese accept Opium for Silver.

          • Harry McNicholas

            China did have scientists and also excellent engineers. They taught the Mongolians how to invade walled cities. They also gave the Mongolians gun powder. When the Americans showed up with Perry in Japan, they were made to live in a separate part of the city because they were so dirty and smelled bad.

          • Clb28

            Well then, why did your ancestors interfere? Could’ve let us be in that medieval state. Why were the European merchants so interested in doing trade with us?

            “It was the European minds that took such things beyond the very primitive and basic and developed modern technologies.”

            Exactly, we gave you people something to start with. Obedience or respect to the elders or generally the people around you isn’t conformity. This hasn’t stifled creativity yet. To be honest, it was a few religious and superstitious beliefs that hindered our creativity and ingenuity. How would you fly a rocket, or create a computer, or put a man on the moon without the number system, algebra or trigonometry? None of these came from the Whites. The great curious minds in your societies just worked on the knowledge we had at one point and then developed further. If sharing, or in some cases, stealing of knowledge or ideas didn’t happen, then how would any of us have developed this far?

          • Morris Thecat

            yes, it has stifled creativity, conformity is the exact opposite of creativity. Perhaps the asian mind can not understand. As far as the numbers system is concerned, you are wrong, they came from the greeks and the Aryans in India.

          • Clb28

            I said obedience or respect isn’t the same as conformity. Greeks came up Pythagoras theorem and Euclid’s elements, but number systems and other things I’ve mentioned, came from India. Even Egyptians and Babylonians had their own share of contributions before the Greeks. I don’t know, why you consider or call Indians as Aryans, because they didn’t call themselves that. They weren’t white either. I don’t know what you believe in, but the point I’m trying to make is, China and India had their own unique achievements when compared to Greeks, which then was used in later years by Copernicus, Galileo or Isaac Newton etc. These great minds then later accomplished some things of their own. It’s been a continuous flow of knowledge and information worldwide ever since. Imagine, if all of our ancestors kept their studies and findings to themselves?

          • Harry McNicholas

            Cb It also must be remembered that Galileo spent most of his time on astrology and not astronomy. Newton only spent 10% of his time on science and the rest on alchemy and reading the scriptures to find the philosophers stone. The periodic table had not been made during Newton’s time and so the idea of the five elements was still held. China really did not close its doors until the late 19th century. It did out of fear of becoming a colony of the West.

          • Myra Esoteric

            This is true, most of us who come from Asia and Africa know this. That is why we study Western science / STEM most of all, look at what departments contain many exchange students.

            Then tell us, how can we improve if we are innately conformist and non-innovators? How do we move beyond this? If there is some gene that causes conformity, a lack of innovation and curiosity, how do we weed this out?

            We admire and appreciate the Western sciences and ingenuity. But is it something wholly immutable?

          • Harry McNicholas

            Michio Kaku. Also, it was the Chinese who invented gun powder. Also, the first rockets were invented by Chinese. The first guns and first canons. The Chinese also were the first to develop grenades and Kublai Khaan used them in his attack against the Japanese. China drove the world’s economy until 1850. Your lack of education is appalling and not wonder our country is headed into the toilet. Chingiss Khaan built the largest land empire in history and he did it from the back of a horse. His country he united in the 12th century is still here. The stupid European army went out to fight the Mongolians in Hungary and ended up dog meat.

          • JohnEngelman

            If you have read many of my comments you should have learned that I am liberal on environmental and economic issues. I vote Democratic, and am glad that President Obama was reelected.

            Nevertheless, I am pessimistic about human nature and human potential. I think there is often wisdom in tradition. I distrust abrupt social and economic changes, and untried social and economic experiments.

            In this respect I am more conservative than many Republicans. Many of them would like to replace the income tax with a national sales tax. They would like to restore laissez faire capitalism. Some of the posters on this website advocate the breakup of the United States into two or more countries.

          • Morris Thecat

            john, i really don’t care , you are a lib and everyone is tired of you

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who are tried of me are tired of being told the truth. They are tired of the facts I post. I am closer to the American consensus than those who are tired of me. Maybe they should try to figure out why they are on the political fringe.

          • Morris Thecat

            I don’t read most of your posts anymore. The only way I got to this one was because I read the comments of others. No one is listening anymore john. You life on the computer now mirrors your life in the real world. you are a bore that people avoid.

          • JohnEngelman

            Those who claim to ignore me reveal reveal how difficult it is by flaming me. Those flames are expressions of pain as I try to push facts into their narrow minds.

          • Harry McNicholas

            The two most innovative countries today are Korea and Japan. Singapore is third and Taiwan is 4th. The US. comes in fifth but no European country is in the top five.

          • pcmustgo

            I’m an environmentalist as well, but was never happy that Obama was elected… And I don’t vote democrat anymore because of reverse racism and their refusal to acknowledge it.

        • potato78
      • Harry McNicholas

        Ah so you prefer the big Mamas of Wal-Mart.

    • guest

      The “thicker” hair refers to the actual diameter of an individual strand of the hair as seen in cross-section. The East Asians or Mongoloids also tend to have a very round cross section leading to the hair being very straight. An oval cross section will cause wavy hair and an even narrower, longer cross section would create curly to kinky hair depending upon the cross section.

      • crystalevans

        Asians have the strongest hair. Blacks have the most delicate hair that can damage easily.

      • Harry McNicholas

        Where are you getting this crap “Mongoloids”. The term is East Asian.

  • NortherTempest

    Mongoloids were also known as the Polar and Arctic race.

    The worst thing is the amount of sinophilia you can witness in the WN circles, “asians are our friends” what a joke, mongoloids are the jews of Asia.

    “I hate the gooks, I will hate them as long as I live.” John McCain

    This is a man who is aware of the soullessness of this sadistic race.

    Gooks the enemy of the white race.

    • brengunn

      mongoloids are the jews of Asia.

      How so? Mongoloids are the majority of Asia.

      “I hate the gooks, I will hate them as long as I live.” John McCain

      And with good reason, but why should we hate them because John McCain does?

  • NortherTempest

    “As for the smaller breasts, it seems that japanese porn star Hitomi Tanaka seemed to bypass that gene.”

    And you would know that how? By being a viewer of gook porn that is how, another sinophile…

    For a people who self-decribe as highly spiritual and anti-individualist, they seem to be literally obsessed with individualist concerns, such as physical appearances. Do your research, gook women are all about plastic surgery.

    • crystalevans

      She could be mixed race or have had breast implants.

      • AutomaticSlim

        They deleted “NortherTempests” comment, but I still wanted to post my reply.
        He actually quoted John McCain.

        John McCain????
        Talk about an enemy of White America!
        I would
        absolutely take a racially realistic Korean or Japanese neighbor who
        recognizes blacks and mestizos for what they are over Sen. McShamnesty.
        The same Senator who scolded Bob Jones U. for its completely reasonable
        policy on dating and who welcomes grimy illegal alien mestizos with open
        arms.

        • NortherTempest

          http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h5XTVwxX7BI
          The zipperheads are the fatest growing minority, Obama is importing them en-masse, McCain is a hero who fought against these things in the war.

          • a multiracial individual

            Is that you Clint Eastwood?

        • Harry McNicholas

          As opposed to grimy people like Automaitc Slim who is the lowest of the low lifes on the planet.

  • potato78

    Selection is also very important.
    Asian man does not like big breast, so that Asian women don’t have to have big breast to seduce men.
    https://www.google.com/search?q=ancient+beautiful+women&hl=en&tbo=u&tbm=isch&source=univ&sa=X&ei=j90eUdz3CY_K9QSJtYD4DQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEgQsAQ&biw=1024&bih=629

    • Intrepid

      I don’t think agree with the author about that. There’s variation in breast size. Lots of Asian women have big breasts too. However, Asians are a slightly smaller people in general… so people will see the average Asian woman with small breasts, but they’re really just proportional to her body size.

      • Morris Thecat

        wrong, on the whole, asian women have much smaller breasts. There are always going to be exceptions to the rule but most Asian women are like surf boards

        • Intrepid

          Chances are you haven’t seen that many Asian women. If you’ve ever lived in Asia for any extended period of time, you would know that their size runs the spectrum from small to large too.

          • Morris Thecat

            The clothes tell the story. The west has the low cut dresses and the bustier in it’s history of female attire. The East has… the mandarin dress. The mandarin dress is not made for women with big jugs.

          • Harry McNicholas

            Huh. You are an idiot.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          That was a cruel way to put it.

          • Luis

            So, I use the term flat as lumber board, or flat as Kansas.

          • Morris Thecat

            well, there are prairie dog mounds in kansas aren’t there?

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Sarah Aoki.

          • Harry McNicholas

            The only thing flat is your head.

        • Harry McNicholas

          Indian women? No. Mongolian women? No. I think you have a screw lose.

      • Harry McNicholas

        Have you ever seen a Mongolian? Mongolians are the top Sumo wrestlers in Japan.

    • Daisy

      Well has anyone noted that mainland and northern european women often have squarer bodies which feature somewhat smaller hips and often larger breasts compared to mediterranean, latin and seemingly asian women. It seems like the europeans favored that body type for some reason. The males follow a somewhat similar pattern in what broad shoulders and skinny butts mainland euros have. It’s just an obvious trend I’ve always wondered about.

      • Harry McNicholas

        Well someone had to pull the plows.

  • potato78

    In general,

    Black Women have the biggest size breasts, then

    White women have the middle size breasts, then

    Asian women have the smallest size breasts with the most density.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100505131524AAXW7cV

  • Anon

    sexually visible effects of EDAR are likely to have been stronger drivers of natural selection than sweat glands

    What a ridiculously stupid statement. It makes wild assumptions that are unlikely to be true. For example, it presupposes that people had a choice to mate with those with or without the gene or even that. It assumes those that made the choice had greater survival value and hence the prodigy of those choices survived (when there is no reason to suggest…NONE WHATSOEVER that those that chose differently died off to any significant degree). Sexual selection is a more credible explanation…but is powerfully counterintuitive of what we know about sexual choice and signs of fertility. It ignores the obvious. In fact, it goes out of the way to gloss over the most overwhelmingly likely explanation. People simply choose to mate with those that look like themselves. Family like bonds to a greater community based on race (not genetics….the genetics explanation just is not credible separate from the race issue).

    The article struggles to assume and then dismiss overwhelming evidence against, both the out of africa theory and genetic adaption. The out of africa theory is so thoroughly discredited that it’s not even worth addressing. Go read an updated book on this, if you care enough to know. The genetic adaption theory simply has no credible evidence to support it. All humans of a white normal IQ easily conquer all environments on earth and I challenge anyone to show any evidence that any race with any feature is even slightly more comfortable in any of those environments….separate from humans ability to utilize tools. It cannot be done because it does not happen. Only one trait has “survival value”. The presence or non-presence of what we today call having a normal IQ> Retards die. Everyone else survives….that is the limit of human natural selection. No one, ever, has either observed, found evidence of, or found reason to believe that it has ever been different in any culture in both recorded history and those people we only know about because of archeology. To blatantly assume otherwise is not science. It’s fantasy.

    The genetic finding is interesting. We will never know what it means when the limits to scientific inquiry amount to little more than searching for any excuse to believe liberal religious orthodoxy in the face of overwhelming evidence that they are simply, or even purposefully….wrong.

    • David Ashton

      Not quite sure what you mean by the evidence against genetic adaptation. What is the origin of the varied clusters of human phenotypes? Hasn’t climate anything to do with it?

    • Morris Thecat

      retards didn’t die in africa because there was no winter season.

  • Hal K

    Thick hair and small breasts are visible sexual signals which, if preferred by men, could quickly become more common as the carriers had more children.

    Why would small breasts be preferred by men? It sounds like the Chinese member of the team has some more work to do.

    • Extropico

      Yes, that didn’t sound very plausible to me either. I however am in need of some thicker hair on top and could use a retro-genetic implantation.

      • IstvanIN

        Isn’t it possible that in societies where the grooms parents either select or have a big say in which bride gets picked the parents make choices based on attributes other than breast size? Like the family she comes from or the likely hood she will make a good wife and daughter-in-law?

        • Morris Thecat

          Yes, and let’s not forget that when women have to do things such as work in the fields all day, large breasts are a definite handicap. ONe look at such a woman and the parents of the groom will tell him that she is no good, she can not work without getting tired and having back pain, she can not run without discomfort etc, etc. Let’s face it, choosing a mate was at one time like buying a car or a tractor. A workingclass family man does not buy a little two seater sports car that is good only for show, only the wealthy can do that.

          • IstvanIN

            A small, light-boned woman with huge breasts wouldn’t be much of a worker.

          • Harry McNicholas

            How about pulling that plow? Also what about the nomadic women. Sorry they did no farming. You are an idiot.

      • Morris Thecat

        Thicker hair SHAFTS, not a more abundance of hair follicles. In fact, I think that Europeans with finer or thinner hair shafts, blondes especially, tend to have the most follicles per square inch of all peoples. When the hair is straight, it appears that there is less of it. A person with the number of hair follicles that that caucasians have, with the hair texture that blacks have, would have an immense, uncontrollable head of hair . There is an old episode of Groucho Marx’s “you bet your life”, where such a person was on, she was “Fi Fi”, the sheep headed girl. Africans have the least number of follicles per square inch on their heads. When Blacks straighten their hair, it ends up being very flat and thin. They do not have the number of hair follicles to get the same look that whites with straight hair have. This is why black women get “weaves”.
        As for Europeans, a more abundance of hair would insulate better against the cold. A clearer hair shaft would let more sunlight pass through it and therefore more radiant heat would be absorbed.

    • Morris Thecat

      Small breast don’t migrate downward with age the same way large breasts do.

      • Hal K

        What about Rushton’s r/K selection theory for human races?

        There is also the concept of biological spandrels.

      • Daisy

        But when humans were evolving they usually had borne their children well before age caused breasts to sag. Before and maybe during the Middle Ages the average life expectancy wasn’t much over 35 tops.

        • Tired

          The life expectancy of 35 didn’t mean medieval Europeans died at 35. If you lived to be a teenager, chances were you were going to die in your 60’s or 70’s. The average lifespan is brought down because of infant deaths.

          • Daisy

            More children were born before aging had set in was my point, so the notion that larger breasts sagged with age likely wouldn’t have impacted whether they were deemed attractive and therefore got passed on genetically. Lifespan was shorter for a number of reasons particularly before the Middle Ages.

          • Morris Thecat

            This is wrong. People who survived childhood, and therefore made it into the reproductive years, often lived to their 40s and 50s. Otzi, the iceman was 45 when he died, and he died form a wound.

          • potato78

            Long time ago, women could marry very early age before larger breasts sagged, now these days, larger breast women married after larger breasts sagging. White male is gradually losing interests to those women. The selection could force those women to select even larger breast male, who have black skin and more testosterone, likelihood?

          • Daisy

            Many girls entered menarche later than today when food was scarce, and weren’t fully fertile until the late teens and early 20’s, but most females were having most their kids early enough so that ‘sagging’ wasn’t having much impact on anything. And just so you know, I’m sure lots of those aging women wouldn’t mind a guy whose thing stayed up all night, huh? So much for either sex sagging with age… In general potato78 you have a habit of posting and linking to perverted issues.

          • Morris Thecat

            it’s a sensitive subject huh?

          • Cherry Bomb

            Not true. Before the age of sanitation, antibiotics and clean water, the average life span was 40. In 1900 in the US, average lifespan was 42, hence the drinking age was set at 21 because by then you’d lived half your life.

            An infection at any age usually meant death. Water-borne illnesses killed the rest.

            You can thank Whites, NOT ASIANS for discovering germ theory and antibiotics, and creating sanitation and clean water systems– which have saved BILLIONS of nonwhite lives.

          • T6

            “You can thank Whites, NOT ASIANS for discovering germ theory and
            antibiotics, and creating sanitation and clean water systems– which
            have saved BILLIONS of nonwhite lives.”

            What rubbish, clean water, sanitation and herbal medicines equivalent to antibiotics already existed in Asian civilizations before the White Renaissance and even before the Greeks and these techniques are continued and practiced even now. Only when you have a serious medical condition and if a person requires quick relief from it, people go for Allopathic medicines and surgeries. Yes, we’re thankful to Sir Alexander Fleming for coming up with anti-biotics but we try to avoid it wherever we can because of the side effects of it and we just stick with the herbal medicines, which is hundred percent effective and a natural cure without any side effects.

          • Cherry Bomb

            Try again. It seems you have had a little bit too much of the politically correct cool-aid. (History books written by marxist professors).

            The fact is that this world is still completely dominated by Western Civilization and White technology and is proof that IQ isn’t everything. Especially when you’re using the White English language, electric power, computer, Internet to communicate to us here, NOT the Chinese one.

            History is largely an opinion, yet in the hands of an anti-Whites like you it becomes a weapon. I’ve found it odd at times that Anti-Whites ignore real science just like any member of a cult does.

          • T6

            Dominated by western civilization and white technology? Yes, only because we let your corporate companies sell your products in our nations. Just because your ancestors had the early patents to the inventions that you mentioned above, doesn’t mean, others (non-whites) didn’t know or were doing scientific researches in those fields. If our nations didn’t agree on trade and commerce treaties, then none of those patents will mean anything to us non-whites and we’ll just create our own stuffs. Sure we’ll be several years behind you, but we’ll catch up sooner or later. Borrow your language? What will I use then, to communicate or reply to your drivels? Of course, you won’t understand my native language now would you? English is internationally spoken and favored today only because of the British colonialism and nothing else. We’re anti-whites? We have no history of invading or subjugating any White nation so far (well the Mongolians are an exception but they invaded some of our lands as well), but we’re the anti-whites. Anyways, keep spreading your fear, insecurity and other false agendas about non-whites, my fellow earthling.

          • Luca

            Asians accepted White technolgy and products because they had neither and coveted them. Asians may have higher IQ’s but it takes more than that to do what Whites did. It takes ambition, drive, creativity, courage, persistence, effective communication, etc. Many Asians cultures preach obedience and therefore the people are subjugated and cannot express free thought or free speech. What good is a high IQ that is silenced, meek and untapped?.

          • gary

            I don’t think anyone ever claimed Asians were responsible

          • Cherry Bomb

            Nope, but they are responsible for stealing our technology and then laying claim to it.

          • Ren

            As if, whites haven’t stolen anything from other civilizations.

          • Anonymous #3

            Asians are better than whites.

          • Cherry Bomb

            Why can’t you reply properly? Your answer is a sure sign of a nut who has lost a debate.

            Think about the thousands of people reading this and seeing your silly, childish answer, without actually debating or having any point but mockery.

            All that’s left is for you to tell us when you started hating Whites.

        • Morris Thecat

          Without wearing support, a large breasted woman’s breasts at thirty five will be bookends for her navel.

          • Daisy

            I don’t know why we’re even discussing this, but women’s breasts are all different and a lot of the difference in how they age is just idiosyncratic. I’ve known women whose breasts sagged at a young age yet they weren’t particularly large, and I’ve known of women whose chest was pretty big yet it didn’t sag much well into their middle age. It just depends. Does gravity and size affect sagging? Yeah, but not as much as you seem to think.

          • Morris Thecat

            this subject has been blown all out of proportion.

          • Morris Thecat

            I get the suspicion that there are a couple of things you want to get off your chest Daisy.

          • pcmustgo

            A lot of women don’t wear bras or the right bra size.

    • Blaak Obongo

      “Why would small breasts be preferred by men?”

      Not all men have the same preferences that you do. Some men prefer them large, some prefer them small. I very much doubt that it’s something that can be generalized to the entire male population.

      • Hal K

        Rushton’s r/K selection theory for human races suggests that small breasts in East Asians indicate a lack of sexual selection. The breasts are small because sexual characteristics are not important. This is what r/K selection theory says. Think in terms of organisms in caves. Their eyes don’t grow small and disappear because small eyes see better. Their eyes disappear because they are not needed.

      • potato78

        The reason is that small breasts is symbol of juvenile, including small hip.

  • potato78

    http://www.stormfront.org/forum/t728046-3/
    The idea that white men are more prone to race mixing than white women may be true in North America. In the U.S. and Canada the White man/Asian woman mix is indeed more common than any other interracial pairing. However, in most European countries the reality is very different. White European women engage in miscegenation in greater numbers than their male counterparts, and this is especially true in Northern Europe (British Isles, Germany, the Netherlands, Scandinavia).

  • jay11

    What will happen if a segment of the human race goes to the stars and begins to populate space cities, planetary bases and leapfrogs out from there? There’s a great book called the starfarers that explores this issue.

    • Morris Thecat

      maybe they already did.

  • I don’t buy the lie that humans evolved in Africa esp. since there is more evidence that we evolved in the Middle East (what is now Iraq). Every where on earth, societies have advanced beyond the stone age. All the true civilization that is in Africa is there because of Europeans. Hunting and gathering is dominate in Africa only. Northern Africa -despite its very limited resources, never has famines. That is reserved for sub-Saharan Africa where people would rather starve themselves rather than adapting to farming. They have the worlds lowest IQ and -as a result, have the worlds last paleolithic state.

    • Anonymous #3

      All races come from Africa.

      • Cherry Bomb

        Ah, the ole “out of Africa” hypothesis.
        Why is that hypothesis only used to benefit non-Whites in White countries?
        In America & Europe, we’re told “we’re all from Africa” so we have to set aside our ethnic interests to not offend our non-White “cousins.”
        In South Africa, even though “we’re all from Africa,” we’re told Whites have no right to the country they built. People shouting “we’re all from Africa” to “fight raaacisssm” are anti-White, just like you.

        • potato78

          My white brother said that our whites were from Africa, your East Asians must come somewhere Africa too. Even though, we still believe that we came from very northern Siberia, but my white brother still insisted that I was from Africa somewhere. Because everyone else came from there.

  • Morris Thecat

    …..”Thick hair and small breasts are visible sexual signals which, if preferred by men….” So then, the ancient people in this area were ….fashion designers?

  • potato78

    Scandinavian Asian look is much better than pure European look.
    Nordic European look must be optimized through mixing East Asian Blood.
    Because Nordic Girls are too manly with coarse/hairy skin.

    http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20100724061914AAkC0RE

    • IstvanIN

      Gross, you are simply gross.

    • IstvanIN

      Nordic girls are beautiful, if not ideal. Asian girls are scrawny and all look-a-like. Your tastes are non-existent.

      • potato78

        “scrawny” is negative and not factual.

        http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5iTlE7fzsj8
        http://www.top-beautiful-women.com/asia-oceania
        East Asian Women are much more youthful than Nordic Women, but Nordic women are more colorful when they are young.
        http://top-beautiful-women.com/europe

        • Cherry Bomb

          You are an anti-White and have no place on a White issues site. I encourage everyone here to flag your posts as inappropriate and vote down your sick, anti-White comments. Why don’t you find a site where you can fantasize about bashing Whites. There are plenty of them: SPLC, ACLU, Tim Wise.

          Asians have poker-straight black hair and effeminate bodies and eyes with little to no variation. They all look alike.

          Whites have red, black, brown and blonde hair, pale, olive, freckled complexions, blue, green and hazel eyes.

          You want and call for the end of the White race which makes you sick, twisted and evil.

          When and for how long have you hated Whites?

          • Skip

            “Asians have poker-straight black hair and effeminate bodies and eyes with little to no variation. They all look alike.”

            What have you been smoking? I’ll agree that blondes are specific to Caucasians, but other traits that you have mentioned can be found in Asia.

          • Cherry Bomb

            I don’t have time to smoke. I’m too busy trying to prevent the genocide of my race, the White race, against hateful anti-Whites like you.

          • Skip

            Ok, how many have you saved? What considerable contribution have you made lately to the White race? Where have I mentioned anything hateful? Delusional psychopaths like you can’t stand somebody disagreeing with you and think we’re anti-white because of that.

        • Morris Thecat

          east asian women definitely do not age well. Just go to any hotel that has an asian housekeeping staff and watch when the shifts change. You have an idealized, fantasy version of what asian women are.

          • AutomaticSlim

            Not always true.
            Kaity Tong (NYC News Anchor) looks great for her age.

          • Morris Thecat

            makeup, plastic surgery. The housekeeping staff does not spend money on surgery, nor do they have a makeup artist and hair dresser hovering just out of camera range. Have you ever seen the pics of celebs without makeup? Same thing here. Look, the wide flat face does not age well. People get fatter as they get older. What may be attractive on a box shaped, flat face of youth, is only a few pounds away from being dumpy frumpy.

      • AutomaticSlim

        Jeez, a lot of people are speaking in absolutes in this thread…

    • Cherry Bomb

      When did you first start hating Whites?

    • Cherry Bomb

      It is only your OPINION that “Scandinavian Asian” (SIC) is “much better than pure European look.”

      Are you a social anthropologist studying and judging White and normal people, categorizing them so they know more about what their identity should be?

      That’s anti-White supremacist behavior. But then you are a sociopathic anti-White as evidenced by your childish, semi-literate posts.

  • potato78

    “My daughter was interested in her genetic history. Her natural dad is
    not her real dad. Her real dad adopted her a couple of years after I
    married him. Anyway, I’ve told her all I know about her real dad, but
    she was very interested in learning more.”

    http://howmanykids.hubpages.com/hub/how-come-I-never-noticed-Im-Mongolian#

  • JohnEngelman

    According to Professor J. Philippe Rushton Orientals have lower rates of crime than whites and higher average IQs.

    http://archive.org/stream/RaceEvolutionBehaviorabidgedVersion/REB_djvu.txt

    According to Professors Gregory Cochran and Henry Harpending agriculture and urban civilization promote population pressures in favor of less crime and more intelligence.

    http://www.amren.com/ar/2009/05/index.html

    Nevertheless, agriculture and urban civilization began one to two thousand years earlier with whites than Orientals. I am interested in an explanation of why and how Orientals as a race have evolved further than whites.

    • AutomaticSlim

      Out of the 1 billion or so Chinese, about 800 million are still living the lifestyle of feudal peasants. Not to mention the populations of countries like Laos, Burma, and Cambodia.
      Do you consider these impoverished 3rd worlders to be more intelligent and more “highly evolved” than Whites?

      If you reply, I will ask that you give your own opinion, instead of quoting Rushton and Taylor and others. It’s not that I don’t agree with much of what they say, but it’s kind of a cop out.

      • JohnEngelman

        Yes.

        • AutomaticSlim

          I am not sure about your reply. Are you insinuating that I am an anti-Asian bigot? If so, please see my above posts in this thread.

          But anyway, you answered “Yes”. So you really believe that grossly impoverished 3rd worlders are more intelligent and evolved than White Americans? Now that is truly ridiculous.

          The proof is in the results. If they were smarted than us, they would be living better than us. It is that simple. And it is not even close. And the only reason that China has been “catching up” is because our traitorous government has seen fit to allow them to become our manufacturing base and then, to subsequently buy up our debt. If we had never been willing to do business with Communist China, and let’s remember, they are still a Communist country, where do you think they would be, from an economic standpoint?
          And where would they be from a military standpoint if Slick Willie wasn’t running such a shoddy National Security operation?

          • KalW

            Uh… how do you think the Chinese people lived and defended their civilization up until the 19th century? Were there any investments from any White European nations in the past? Was it all sorcery and martial arts that helped them live a moral and decent life?

          • AutomaticSlim

            They did not do so well against the Mongols,did they?
            That was well before 1800.

            And then afterwards, as you already know…

            The British.
            The Japanese.
            Not such a great record in defending themselves.

            Listen, of course the Chinese have their merits. Most cultures do, except for sub Saharan Africans and their descendents. And I have posted many comments on this site that are very favorable to Asians, albeit mostly Koreans and Japanese, but also to the Chinese in Taiwan and Hong Kong who have thriving first world societies.

            But Mr Engelman’s claim that ALL Asians are more intelligent and highly evolved is preposterous! Please justify how a Chinese peasant (and about 80 to 90% of them live on less than 5 dollars a day) or a Cambodian living in a shack with a dirt floor is more intelligent and evolved than an average White guy in the US? Engelman didn’t do it (he only said “yes” without an explanation), and neither can you because it cannot be done.

          • Morris Thecat

            sub saharan africans don’t have a culture. Mud houses and dart guns and sticks are not a culture.

          • AutomaticSlim

            Very true sir.
            I happily stand corrected!

          • JohnEngelman

            When Europeans came to the United States and to the thirteen colonies before the American Revolution they came to a lightly populated country that was defended by disunited stone age warriors. In addition, those whites found a country that was rich in natural resources. Those Europeans had it easy.

            China is over populated and resource depleted. When Chinese come to the United States they prove what they can do.

          • Morris Thecat

            yeah, serve bad cheap food loaded with sugar.

          • JohnEngelman

            Chinese Americans get the best grades at the best universities in the toughest subjects. They get the best paying jobs with the best corporations. They move into the best neighborhoods, and drive the best cars. No one gives them that. They earn it.

          • Morris Thecat

            the owners of three restaurants gave me a negatve

          • AutomaticSlim

            Your theory goes awry when you consider the fact that the Chinese had at least a three thousand year head start on America, and still did not figure a way to fix their problems. Also, the ones that come here are the “best and brightest”, not the peasants. You are basing your conclusions on a highly skewed sampling.

            I am an IT consultant, and have been programming professionally for over 25 years. I have worked with MANY Chinese people, and have befriended some.
            A Chinese friend of mine once told me “you want to see a lot of stupid people? Go to China!”. His point being that only the smart ones figure out a way to come here.

          • JohnEngelman

            Actually, agriculture and civilization each began in what is now China one or more thousand years after each began among Caucasians.

            From the end of the Western Roman Empire to the beginning of the Italian Renaissance an extraterritorial visitor would have had little trouble concluding that Chinese civilization was more advanced than European civilization.

            However, after the Chinese expelled the Mongolian conquers in 1368 they developed their form of American exceptionalism, and became xenophobic, They decided that they were the Middle Kingdom, surrounded by primitive societies that had nothing to teach them. While this was happening the Italian Renaissance was beginning.

            In the nineteenth century European countries, especially Great Britain, began to aggress against China. At that time the Manchu Dynasty began to devolve into the organic decline that Chinese dynasties historically experienced after one or two centuries. Also, the Manchu Dynasty was Manchurian, and not considered by most Chinese as authentically Chinese. Thus it was unable to appeal to Chinese nationalism.

            The Manchu Dynasty fell in 1912. Sun Yat Sen became the leader of China. He was a great leader. Unfortunately, when he died in 1925 no one with his leadership abilities and integrity rose to take his place. Mao Tse Tung and Chiang Kai-Shek were dictators who valued personal power more than the well being of the Chinese people.

            Their civil war weakened China. The Japanese invasion weakened China more. Now China is ascending. The United States and most of Europe is descending.

          • Luca

            Asains come to a White European crated society to thrive. Otherwise, due to a culture of obedience and subjugation they are not allowed free speech. Other values are needed besides a high IQ such as creativity, courage, persistence, risk taking, effective communication, etc. not to say every Asian lacks these things but apparently they do better in our world than the one they created.

        • Michael_C_Scott

          By your own admission, you are a troll.

          I hope you get better.

      • JohnEngelman

        By “Oriental” I mean Chinese, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, Tibetan, and Mongolian. The answer to your question is “Yes.”

        • AutomaticSlim

          OK, you are narrowing down the field.

          1. There is no way you or anyone else is going to convince me that 800 million impoverished Chinese peasants are more intelligent that average Whites in the US.

          2) As much as I respect Korea, Japan and Taiwan/Hong Kong, any rational person has to realize these places owe a GREAT DEAL to the White America for helping to build their economies. Simply would not have happened without us.

          3) Vietnam? Yes maybe they are doing better now than 40 years ago, but they are still a relatively poor, overpopulated and, most importantly, Communist country.

          It is my opinion that you base your conclusions on what you see here in the US, and I admit that many Asians here are quite successful, but as I stated above the ones we see here are the “best and brightest” and their descendants. Factor in the “great unwashed masses” back home and I have to believe the aggregate intelligence goes way down.

          • JohnEngelman

            According to Richard Lynn and Professor J. Philippe Rushton, both of whom have spoken at American Renaissance conferences, Oriental nations and Oriental people have higher average IQs than white nations and white people.

            http://www.sq.4mg.com/NationIQ.htm

            http://archive.org/stream/RaceEvolutionBehaviorabidgedVersion/REB_djvu.txt

            According to the Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) students in Japan and South Korea outperform students in white countries.

            http://siteselection.com/ssinsider/snapshot/sf011210.htm

          • AutomaticSlim

            Back to the Rushton stats, huh?
            Guess its time to end my replies.
            One last thought on this topic. You seem very hung up on IQs.
            There is more to intelligence than IQ scores, as Luca has already pointed out. In the end, it is the results that count. And White America has achieved far more in a far shorter time frame than any other society in history.

            Have a nice President’s day.

          • Morris Thecat

            Once again you bore people by whipping out your Yugio cards of racial IQ facts. “Yeah, but my Asian IQ Dragon beats your Euro IQ Griffin” Grow up john and put your deck of cards away. The picture is always much more complicated. Quoting others does not mean YOU have a high IQ. factor. The real story is that IQ differences between Asians and Euros are just slightly different. There is another factor though. Asians don’t have as a great RANGE of IQ’s in their populations. An IQ of 106 is nowhere NEAR genius level. Euros have a much greater range in IQs amongst their populations. So while the Chinese may have a population where the majority of people have mediocre IQs with a few geniuses sprinkled amongst them, the Euros have many more geniuses and creative thinkers in their midst. You talk all the time about the great Jewish and Asian IQs. Yet most posters on here are probably at least one standard deviation above both of those groups. Why should we listen to a mediocrity like yourself wax on inanely, with the SAME stuff over and over when we outclass those great 110 IQs. Your whole point, said one way or another, is that Euros are inferior to Asians and Jews. The fact that can not be refuted though is the unparalleled success, unparalleled in all of human history, Of Europeans and European culture. WE created the modern world.

          • JohnEngelman

            I thought you said you were ignoring me.

            ———

            Asian students have higher average SAT scores than any other group, including whites. A study by Princeton sociologist Thomas Espenshade examined applicants to top colleges from 1997, when the maximum SAT score was 1600 (today it’s 2400). Espenshade found that Asian-Americans needed a 1550 SAT to have an equal chance of getting into an elite college as white students with a 1410 or black students with an 1100.

            Top schools that don’t ask about race in admissions process have very high percentages of Asian students. The California Institute of Technology, a private school that chooses not to consider race, is about one-third Asian. (Thirteen percent of California residents have Asian heritage.) The University of California-Berkeley, which is forbidden by state law to consider race in admissions, is more than 40 percent Asian–up from about 20 percent before the law was passed.
            http://www.amren.com/news/2011/12/some_asians_col/

            ———

            Though Jews are only about 0.2 percent of the world population, half the world’s chess grandmasters, for example, and 16 percent of Nobel Prize winners for science have been Jews.
            http://www.amren.com/features/2011/12/the-chosen-people/

            ———

            A higher percentage of Orientals and Jews have genius level IQs than white Gentiles. White Gentiles built the modern world, but the future is being built in China.

            http://www.amren.com/news/2013/02/a-genetic-code-for-genius/

    • Morris Thecat

      It must be a chore going through life with a box of footnotes and reference cards

      • JohnEngelman

        Not at all. I enjoy demonstrating that my opinions are based on well documented facts and logical reasoning.

        • Morris Thecat

          If you had the ability to understand your facts I’d be more impressed. Memorization and footnoting is a very inferior form of thinking. It is not understanding nor reasoning.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are having difficulty carrying out your promise to ignore me, aren’t you?

            What makes you think I do not understand my factual assertions? Present an example from one of my comments that demonstrates my incomprehension.

  • starlight

    I notice most white women also have very small breasts, except really obese ones or ones who had a surgery. Taller than most East Asian women? Yes, but not necessarily bigger in the breasts department.

    Also, this photo was taken last year in Malmo, Sweden in 2012 and I noticed a few things

    http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7106/7002139628_4d62d30e75_o.jpg

    1. It is scary most non-white immigrants in pubic seen in that photo are young male.

    2. I keep hearing that Sweden is known for the amazing beauty of the native women there but, the young native blond Swedish white woman in the photo, with the letter W written on her face, does not exactly impressive to me. I doubt she ever had a boyfriend in her life. The blond woman standing on the other end in that photo, wearing the black scarf, looks attractive indeed, but it is not like she is clearly superior to white girls we commonly see in USA or Canada or even white girls in Mexico.

    • rose

      During the London Olympics, Usain Bolt, the Jamaican gold medalist, received a visit from three players from Swedish women’s handball team at night in his bedroom. He won three gold medals and the female Swedish players paid him a visit after he won his 1st gold medal.

      And it was reported on newspapers around the world, and most men commented, “Three Swedish handball players in his bedroom at night!!” “The headline should have read, Usain Bolt did what any heterosexual guy must have done in that situation” “I am very jealous” “That’s the type of a prize you expect when you win multiple gold medals”

      Well Bolt indeed received a visit from three Swedish women at night in his bedroom. Now, let’s look at the photos of the Swedish handball players shall we?

      Ulrika Ågren http://goo.gl/mCmxl http://goo.gl/rmnwi
      Jamina Roberts http://goo.gl/16iH7 http://goo.gl/FVwne
      Isabelle Gulldén http://goo.gl/JMfLB http://goo.gl/Q6uAJ source http://goo.gl/lF6H7

      First Jamina Roberts isn’t ethnically Swedish. In addition to her skin, her last name is not a typical Swedish last name.

      I won’t comment on Ulrika. If I do, I could possibly be labeled a rude person. Isabelle looks acceptable but we constantly see girls better looking than Isabelle around us.

      To be honest, after seeing the photos of the three Swedish players, I was not jealous a bit.

      • brengunn

        Why would yo be jealous. Do you want to share Usain Bolt’s bed?

      • Magician

        Thanks for the story and photos. I also acknowledge that there was no need for any heterosexual guy to be jealous that he received a visit from the three particular Swedish female players. As it has been stated a few times in this AmRen thread, some Swedish females do appear to have some Eskimo blood in them? I am not saying that is a good thing or a bad thing.

  • Michael_C_Scott

    Why didn’t you marry a Northeast Asian, the way I did? I think you would have been much happier.

  • Michael Mason

    Fascinating information; and no doubt a slap to the face of liberals who keep saying human groups only differ in ‘skin color’

  • Hal K

    Thick hair and small breasts are visible sexual signals which, if preferred by men, could quickly become more common as the carriers had more children.

    The eyes of cave organisms shrink over many generations. This is not because smaller eyes see better in the dark. It is because they don’t need their eyes. If anything, smaller breasts indicate a lack of sexual selection.

  • Justin Thomas

    Insecure white people on this website. SMH, SMH.

  • Myra Esoteric

    Looks like the thick hair and small breast gene missed me, even though I’m from the area of China where these genes are at fixity. My nostrils are wide as fark though.

  • Harry McNicholas

    Good. I think you should visit Mongolia and wrestle one of their women.

  • JohnEngelman

    But Joshua Akey, a geneticist at the University of Washington in Seattle, said he thought the more likely cause of the gene’s spread among East Asians was sexual selection. Thick hair and small breasts are visible sexual signals which, if preferred by men, could quickly become more common as the carriers had more children. The genes underlying conspicuous traits, like blue eyes and blond hair in Europeans, have very strong signals of selection.

    – Nicholas Wade, New York Times, February 14, 2013

    I am skeptical of this kind of reasoning. It does not explain why men would prefer thick hair and small breasts in the Far East, and why men would prefer blue eyes and blond hair in Europe.