Tribal America

Mark Steyn, National Review, November 16, 2012

To an immigrant such as myself (not the undocumented kind, but documented up to the hilt, alas), one of the most striking features of election-night analysis was the lightly worn racial obsession. On Fox News, Democrat Kirsten Powers argued that Republicans needed to deal with the reality that America is becoming what she called a “brown country.” Her fellow Democrat Bob Beckel observed on several occasions that if the share of the “white vote” was held down below 73 percent Romney would lose. In the end, it was 72 percent and he did. Beckel’s assertion—that if you knew the ethnic composition of the electorate you also knew the result—turned out to be correct.

This is what less enlightened societies call tribalism: For example, in the 1980 election leading to Zimbabwe’s independence, Joshua Nkomo’s ZAPU-PF got the votes of the Ndebele people while Robert Mugabe’s ZANU-PF secured those of the Shona—and, as there were more Shona than Ndebele, Mugabe won. That same year America held an election, and Ronald Reagan won a landslide victory. Nobody talked about tribal-vote shares back then, but had the percentage of what Beckel calls the “white vote” been the same in 2012 as it was in 1980 (88 percent), Mitt Romney would have won in an even bigger landslide than Reagan. The “white vote” will be even lower in 2016, and so, on the Beckel model, Republicans are set to lose all over again.

Hence the urge to get on the right side of America’s fastest-growing demographic. Only 27 percent of Hispanics voted for Romney. But all that could change if the GOP were to sign on to support some means of legalizing the presence of the 12—20 million fine upstanding members of the Undocumented-American community who are allegedly “social conservatives” and thus natural Republican voters. Once we pass amnesty, argues Grover Norquist’s Americans for Tax Reform, “future immigrants will be more open to the Republican Party because, unlike many immigrants who are already here, they won’t have been harmed or insulted by Republican politicians.”

So, if I follow correctly, instead of getting 27 percent of the 10 percent Hispanic vote, Republicans will get, oh, 38 percent of the 25 percent Hispanic vote, and sweep to victory.

Everyone talks about this demographic transformation as if it’s a natural phenomenon, like Hurricane Sandy. Indeed, I notice that many of those exulting in the inevitable eclipse of “white America” are the same people who assure me that demographic arguments about the Islamization of Europe are completely preposterous. But in neither the United States nor Europe is it a natural phenomenon. Rather, it’s the fruit of conscious government policy.

According to the Census, in 1970 the “Non-Hispanic White” population of California was 78 percent. By the 2010 census, it was 40 percent. Over the same period, the 10 percent Hispanic population quadrupled and caught up with whites.

That doesn’t sound terribly “natural” does it? If one were informed that, say, the population of Nigeria had gone from 80 percent black in 1970 to 40 percent black today, one would suspect something rather odd and unnatural had been going on. {snip} But, when the white population of California falls by half, that’s “natural,” just the way it is, one of those things, could happen to anyone.

Every four years, the Republican Party pines for another Reagan. But Ronald Reagan, governor of California for eight years, couldn’t get elected in today’s not-so-Golden State. {snip} As the nation’s demographic profile trends ever more Californian, perhaps Norquist’s predictions of naturally conservative Hispanics pining for a new Reagan will come to fruition. Or perhaps Bob Beckel’s more crudely determinative analysis will prove correct—that, in a multicultural society, jostling identity groups will stick with the party of ethnocultural spoils.


The short history of the Western Hemisphere is as follows: North America was colonized by Anglo-Celts, Central and South America by “Hispanics.” Up north, two centuries of constitutional evolution and economic growth; down south, coups, corruption, generalissimos, and presidents-for-life. None of us can know the future. It may be that Charles Krauthammer is correct that Hispanics are natural Republicans merely pining for amnesty, a Hallmark Cinco de Mayo card, and a mariachi band at the inaugural ball. Or it may be that, in defiance of Dr. Krauthammer, Grover Norquist, and Little Mary Sunshine, demographics is destiny and, absent assimilationist incentives this country no longer imposes, a Latin American population will wind up living in a Latin American society. Don’t take it from a right-wing bigot like me, take it from the New York Times. In 2009, Jason DeParle filed a story about suburban Maryland, in which he helpfully explained the municipality of Langley Park to Times readers:

Now nearly two-thirds Latino and foreign-born, it has the aesthetics of suburban sprawl and the aura of Central America. Laundromats double as money-transfer stores. Jobless men drink and sleep in the sun. There is no city government, few community leaders, and little community.


Republicans think they’re importing hardworking immigrants who want a shot at the American Dream; the Democrats think they’re importing clients for Big Government. The Left is right: Just under 60 percent of immigrants receive some form of welfare. {snip}


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  • Mark Steyn is brilliant.

    But . . .

    Those who fear America will fail into a third-world nation are a bit shortsighted.

    It will be much worse.

    Third-world nations are currently propped up by the White infrastructure. Once that infrastructure is gone, economies will necessarily take the natural course of entropy and devolve into a near-stone age neo-Dark Ages.

    • brian

      It’ll be much worse than that. When the hand that feeds them is gone and never to return, there’ll be gangs taking from the weak, starvation, ethnic cleansing, slave raids. The dependent population who know NOTHING of farming or anything else for that matter, will sharply reduce, many in horrible typically African ways.

      Welcome to your glorious Brown future, America.

      • george00

        It’ll be much worse than that. Think of all the nuclear weapons and nuclear waste from nuclear reactors these Third World people with their low IQ’s will inherit. There might not be a habitable planet left.

        • Wasn’t S. Africa a nuclear power? All that stuff was wisely shut down before the chillen’ took control.

          • george00

            Possibly, but probably not.

          • Epiminondas

            There won’t be any adults left to supervise a nuclear disarmament. Those weapons will probably deteriorate and be unusable by the time the browns gain control over them.

    • Charlie Brown

      You’re right that it’ll be like the third world without the first world to moderate and constrain its elites…to whatever extent we ever did that.
      But we might as well talk about it being the third world. What else could it ever have been?
      The third world just means islands of obscene prosperity in oceans of heaving violent angry ethnically divided poverty. It means unbelievable corruption….socially acceptable in your face corruption. It means disappearing in the middle of the night never to be seen again. Without the White West it’ll also means genocides.
      Of us.
      Or by us.
      That’ll be the choice

    • I take the other view. Without the white people to care for the third world, they’re artificially inflated numbers will ebb. Natural starvation, disease and well, consequences of behavior, will go to work. China/ Japan are not so foolish as too feed these parasites. Maybe there will be enough of civilization to rebuild. Maybe even with a few white people.

      • Interesting thoughts.

        We may well find out!!!

  • Detroit_WASP

    Why ddidn’t Romney pick Rubio as his running mate? I know some of you folks were against that, because Rubio was not white, but look where it go you…..more Obama.

    I guess the bright side is, the Dems. can’t run a black, in the next presidential election (or can they?) and therefore, blacks and browns will lose interest in the political process….until the next black or brown runs.

    Mark Steyn is a great speaker that uses humor to deliver his conservative message. Steyn, Coulter and Buchanan (and myslef) are all on the same page as to where this country is headed. DETROIT IS THE FUTURE! Lock and load folks.

    • Net_Drifter

      Actually, if what he’s saying is accurate, Mexico City is the future, or Rio.

      • Detroit_WASP

        Yes, a cross between Detroit and East LA.

      • Which isn’t too bad a future if you are White, and don’t mind living in fear.

        • Net_Drifter

          Or if you can get into the most rural areas possible. I still think it’s the cities that will be hell. Removed from them it will be livable.

          • Liberalsuck

            We can’t keep running forever.

          • Net_Drifter

            I don’t consider it running. I come from the country and I want to go back to it as soon as I can. I won’t be giving up a damn thing that I value when I leave the metro area/suburbs.

            No offense to anyone intended, but I don’t respect the contributions of cities to society, or the people I’ve found in and around them. They’re are breeding grounds for the worst type of thinking.

    • TheCogitator

      Like Obama, Rubio is not a “natural born” citizen. His parents were born in Cuba, and did not become naturalized until after his birth. To be a “natural born” citizen one must have both parents be citizens. Of course Rubio will claim the “Obama exception.”

      • Detroit_WASP

        No, sorry, all you have to do is be born on US soil. A stupid law, but that is the law. All of the illegals that squirt out kids on US soil are squriting out US citizens. That is the law. Are we going to debate 7th grade civics now?

        • The__Bobster

          Wrong. There’s a difference between a citizen and a natural born citizen. Did you pass 7th grade civics?

          • Detroit_WASP

            Yeah, a citizen moves here from another country, applies for citizenship. A natural born citizen is born here, that’s the difference. Look it up.

          • TheCogitator
          • Detroit_WASP

            You cite a white power website over my supreme court rulings? LOL So I guess you think if Rubio runs for president the Supreme Court is going to reverse itself and stop the election?

          • TheCogitator

            Please at least read the material you site.

            § 212. Citizens and natives.

            The natives, or natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens.

            The terms “natives” and “natural born citizens” are obviously English terms; used to render the idea convyed by the French phrase “les naturels, ou indigenes”: but both refered to the same category of citizen: one born in the country, of parents who were citizens of that country.

            Hence the meaning the the term, “natural born citizen”, or “naturels ou indigenes” is the same: born in the country of two parents who are citizens of that country.

            The natives or indigenes are those born in the country of parents who are citizens. Society not being able to subsist and to perpetuate itself but by the children of the citizens, those children naturally follow the condition of their fathers, and succeed to all their rights.


            Finally it should be noted, that to define a term is to indicate the category or class of things which it signifies. In this sense, the Supreme Court of the United States has never applied the term “natural born citizen” to any other category than “those born in the country of parents who are citizens thereof”.

            As for how the Supreme Court would decide, who knows. When they can conclude that Obamacare is a tax when all Obama himself said it was not, they can twist anything to get the expedient answer. If they were to decide that a “natural born citizen” is a child of two citizen parents, than Obama would not be qualified to have been, or continue to be President. That would mean all of this term would have to be set aside. Being they are part of the criminal gang in Washington, they are not about to do that. So, yeah, you are probably right about how the Supreme Court would decide, but that does not mean it would be a good decision.

          • Detroit_WASP

            It’s cite, not site. If what you were saying was true, then Obama is not a natural born citizen, since his father was not and his mother was too young? So if Rubio runs for president, the election will be stopped….like they did with Obama?




          • TheCogitator

            You are correct, I should have used the word “cite” and not “site.” Other than that you are wrong.

            The material you link to plainly says that a “natural born citizen” has two citizen parents. Unfortunately the Constitution was not annotated. People then understood what a “natural born citizen” is, but that has become clouded through the years. Apparently you are one of the people who proudly brag that you have been misinforming students on this issue.

            Additionally, the 14th Amendment is being misinterpreted to claim that a child born to people illegally in this country is an American citizen. (See John Bonham’s comments.) When the 14th Amendment was passed, it only made Negro slaves citizens. It did not even confer citizenship to American Indians.

            Understand that the Supreme Court is part of the government and will make its decisions in favor of the government. I agree with you that it will not make the right decision regarding Obama or Rubio.

            The reason that the President was supposed to be a child of two citizen parents was to avoid conflicting loyalties. If the only requirement to be a “natural born citizen” is to be born on US soil, then the child of two illegal aliens would qualify to be President. That person may not have any loyalty to the US.

          • John Bonham

            Oh yeah what happens to the person born here on vacation and goes back home for another 20 years is he still eligible after he comes back for 15 years and is at least 35 years of age ? You’re all forgetting the little part in the constitution that says “Jurisdiction Thereof ” You’re wrong , read it again, but this time out loud…

          • Taras

            Crotch fruit indeed! If we weren’t discussing the very dire situation for whites that is coming soon, I would be rolling on the floor laughing until my sides hurt. These invaders childres are crotch fruit much in the same way as the eggs roaches leave behind as they crawl through our homes.

          • Detroit_WASP

            “Did you pass 7th grade civics?”

            I taught 7th grade civics, maybe you were in my class, sleeping.

            Rubio is a natural born citizen because he was born here, says the Supreme Court. That is the way the Supreme Court ruled.
            Just because you read that isn’t true on some white power website, doesn’t make it so. If you want to change that, you can become politically active and give it a try, I would love to see you succeed!

          • MikeofAges

            But your view will not prevail. Have you ever heard of the 14th Amendment?

        • Xanthippe2

          Laws can be changed and often are. People can be deported or encouraged to leave, have no kids, etc. All that is lacking is White will power (and it is not entirely — or even mostly — the fault of Whites that they have lost that). The power of those in control is lessening. Fast enough for the current laws to help, no. Is White genocide inevitable, no!

        • John Bonham

          Sorry, but you’re wrong … Read the constitution , you’re on a computer it should be easy ..

    • Brad Trun

      “He should have picked Rubio!” That’s the message from ethno-pandering pundits and the establishment media. They’re wrong. He should have picked Rand Paul.

      Romney/Ryan: Last White Male Ticket?

      • The__Bobster

        Yeah, brilliant choice.

        Goodbye, Rand Paul
        By Patrick Cleburne on November 13, 2012 at 3:21pm

        Unfortunately it is not a surprise that Rand Paul has gone bad on immigration: Welcome to the Rand Paul evolution By Manu Raju Politico 11/13/12 carried by Drudge with the predictably more incisive headline Rand Paul calls for ‘path to citizenship’ for illegals…

        He wants to carve a compromise immigration plan with an “eventual path” to citizenship for illegal immigrants, a proposal he believes could be palatable to conservatives.

        • The only good part about that is that Rand called for an absolute moratorium on legal and illegal immigration to happen first and before any amnesty. That’s why his proposal will go nowhere. I’d like to think he was engaging in a clever maneuver to show the left up for the fanatics that they are. Unfortunately, it was a risky pool, because he did damage to his own reputation among us.

          To me, we don’t need to do any of this deal making and bargaining, because we’re on the side of the angels and the people in our whole hog agenda. Any legalization (delayed, instant, whatever) of even one non-white illegal alien hastens the day of our demographic dispossession. But we can have our cake (moratorium, deportation) and eat it, too (no amnesty).

    • The__Bobster

      No, Rubio is white but thinks brown. He’s a Reconquista from way back and not a natural born citizen. He would’ve gained Romney zero net votes, as the invaders vote for stuff, not for immigration. Besides most Trinos hate cane-cutters because of their unique immigration status.

      Actually, I think Romney would’ve lost votes with that choice, mine included.

      • Detroit_WASP

        “He would’ve gained Romney zero net votes”
        LOL… Please!

        • Jerrybear

          Yes because of the leviathan ‘Hispanic vote’ that decides the outcomes of elections no matter what. You do know that Obama won most of the swing states because he won the white vote in those states like Iowa, New Hampshire, Ohio, Pennsylvania? Latins live mostly in solidly blue states. The only state that it might have helped was Florida but Romney still would have lost. Rubio wouldn’t have changed a thing and it would have been blatant Hispandering that probably would have lost him even more whites. Romney lost because he didn’t run on anything except tax cuts and the economy. Mentioning borders, language, and culture puts moderate fence sitting Republicans’ panties in a bunch and now those same weenies are now calling for concessions to the left on amnesty, social issues, and even raising taxes.

          • MikeofAges

            Get your numbers right. If you want to talk about the white vote, Obama-Biden did not win the white vote in Pennsylvania, Ohio, Florida, Colorado, four very close swing state that could have changed to election.He also did not win the white vote in such vaunted blue bastions as Illinois, New York and California. Overall, Obama-Biden carried the white vote only in New England, the Pacific Northwest, DC and Iowa. Minnesota and Connecticut were close to tied. This is the tribalism pundits are talking about. Note that that Obama-Biden in 2008 carried about 50 percent of the white vote outside of the South.

            Keep in mind, you have probably seen the last “country club” Republican the party will ever nominate. A move by the republican party toward to a more labor-oriented nationalist position could change the political scene entirely. The past successes of Pat Buchanan and especially Rick Santorum point in that direction.

          • alas

            I don’t think the point is that Obama won the white vote in Ohio and Pennsylvania, just these states are quite white and he won enough of them there. Minorities didn’t really win it for him in these states.

          • MikeofAges

            Ok, so what’s really true isn’t really true and what isn’t really true is true. This bears a little further explanation. Now, you could explain the result by resorting to the issue of class, which is what I think you are really doing. But that’s a harder idea to defend than you might imagine.

          • IanJMacDonald

            Rick Santorum successful? Isn’t he the guy who lost to the guy who lost to Obama?

          • MikeofAges

            The term “successes” often is used to denote effective efforts that result in less than complete success. Are you saying that Rick Santorum did not develop a lot of support and generate a great deal of interest? Same for Pat Buchanan years earlier.

        • Flytrap
      • Dave4088

        True, the selection of Rubio would have alienated people inclined to vote Republican but who abhor Rubio’s aggressive Hispandering.

        • David Ashton

          People on this site will know (some deplore) that I am not an “anti-Semite”, but they seem to have missed what this transatlantic observer has noted that Rubio has extremely close personal ties with Zionists in the USA and Israel. However, I was surprised that he wasn’t chosen as the Mormon’s running-mate in view of the fact that he might possibly have garnered some “Hispanic” votes, even though white Cuban anti-communists are a different “demographic” than the Mexicans on the other side of the continent. Perhaps you Americans could enlighten me if I have this wrong.

      • Eagle_Eyed

        Rubio is probably the worst of both worlds. His pro-business, economic-conservative focus and light skin makes him White (thereby not helping win more hispanics) and his Hispandering hurts him with white conservatives who realize fiscal policies are only the result of demographic realities.

      • Detroit_WASP

        LOL….please find a world map and point to Spain for me. That is where Rubio is descended from. Sorry to blow your narative that he jumped the fence in TX wearing a cowboy hat and holding a tacco.

      • John Bonham

        Exactly..” Not a natural born citizen “. People just can’t get that through their head …Obama isn’t even supposed to be president according to our OWN U.S. constitution, but there he sits in the oval office .. Rubio is the same, his parents were born in Cuba thus making him ineligible …

    • Andrew

      Romney should indeed have chosen Rubio, because Romney was essentially a multiculturalist Democrat, a faux “conservative” who would grant amnesty to the Hispanics and destroy his party as fast as possible. Romney was a base traitor, the only words that can truly describe him are foul ones.

    • Maybe the Democrat nominee in 2016 (early odds on favorite: Andrew Cuomo, possible dark horse: Mark Warner… I discount Biden and Hillary for age), won’t be black, but the black and Hispanic gibsmedat voters will still be out in full force because they want their gibsmedat. And also…Obama phones.

    • Achaean

      Steyn is not on the same page as Buchanan; he (Steyn) was a major Neocon supporter of the Iraq war, and for all his alarms about radical Islam, he has never come out questioning Muslim immigration per se, never mind immigration. Fortunately for us, the defeat of Romney has shown that Taylor, the VDare group, the New Right and Old Conservatives have been correct all along — the Neocons will not admit it, but they were sucked in by liberals, and they now sound shallow with their talk about nurturing the Hispanic vote.

      • Detroit_WASP

        I’ve read both Sucide of a Superpower (Buchanan) and After America (Steyn) and watched their vids on YouTube. I disagree, I think they are pretty much saying the same identical same…..America is turning into a non-white welfare state. So what if Steyn supported the Iraq war??? Most people did.

        • Achaean

          I used to like Steyn up to a point but his view of the West is simply that it is a “free” culture which can be extended to the world, and this is (partly) why he went for the Iraq war, which I also supported when I was brainwashed by the National Review group, but not anymore; this group is for mass immigration and the destruction of the historic character of white nations.

          This is what was reported about Steyn in VDare, March 24, 2012, in which these words from Larry Auster were cited:

          “Let us recall that Steyn in all his voluminous writings
          on the Islam problem during the previous decade…not only never addressed
          the issue of Muslim immigration as a factor in the Islamization of
          Europe, he never once used the words “immigration” or “immigrants.” Not

          …In more recent years he has on rare occasions brought up the the
          problem of Islamic and other Third-World immigration–only to counsel surrender to it. See also his 2009 Macleans article,
          where…Steyn perforce mentioned it–only to admit that he was a coward
          on the subject, and…to aver once again that there is nothing to be
          done about it.

          …Steyn, having massively excluded the thought of the increasing
          Muslim presence in the West that has been produced by immigration and of doing anything about it from the minds of his many thousands
          of “conservative” followers, both the intellectual elite and the rank
          and file, who all amazingly treat this lightweight as their authority on the subject (!), once again broaches the issue of Muslim immigration, but only in a blog entry at the Corner

          …in my view, for his long career of cowardice and staggering
          dishonesty on this vital subject, and for the incalculable harm he has
          caused through his huge influence on conservatives, he cannot be
          condemned enough.”

      • Eagle_Eyed

        The Iraq War qua war wasn’t bad at all. We ran through Iraq like the ’85 Bears and got rid of Saddam. Winning the peace wasn’t so easy, alas.

        • Gracchus123

          “The Iraq War qua war wasn’t bad at all.” Tell that to the 4000 who died there, and the nearly 60,000 who were maimed. For What????? I spent a year there. It was as worthless as Vietnam. We WILL feel blowback.

      • Eagle_Eyed

        Also, you clearly haven’t read Steyn if you say he hasn’t questioned Muslim immigration. He’s done so literally dozens of times.

    • NM156

      Rubio is pure Spanish and is whiter than many whites. He doesn’t appear to have a drop of Afro-Carribbean/Carribbean native in him.

      • Jefferson

        [QUOTE]Rubio is pure Spanish and is whiter than many whites. He doesn’t appear
        to have a drop of Afro-Carribbean/Carribbean native in him.[/QUOTE]

        Were you there to see Marco Rubio’s DNA test to confirm that he has absolutely no Brown or Black ancestors in his family tree.

        The actor Tom Sizemore looks Whiter than Marco Rubio, and he admitted to having a distant Black ancestor in his family tree.

        Most of the Spanish conquistadors in Latin America were not racially aware and did not care about preserving White purity, which is why most Latin Americans are half breeds.

        Most Spanish conquistadors had no problem with having sexual intercourse with African and Amerindian women.

        • IstvanIN

          That was because the Spanish were conquerors and not really settlers, unlike the British, thus the Spanish didn’t bring many women with them, much to Latin Amerca’s loss.

        • NM156

          It’s possible, but not likely. His family could have emigrated from Spain as late as the turn of the 20th century. If so, family origins aren’t difficult to determine. Church sacramental records are readily available-unless, of course, Castro destroyed or commandeered them for some propagandistic purpose.

      • Skincognito

        As a blue-eyed strawberry blond with a platinum blond child, I would prefer that you refrain from such generalizations. All the best to you and yours but I suspect you are a bit on the swarthy side.
        Volk ueber alles.

        • NM156

          If by swarthy, you mean requiring a 60 SPF sunblock, then that I am. XD Rubio is a pale-faced Spaniard, not mestizo by a single strand of mitochondria. Mexicans will vote for him only because of an old-country reflex to vote for the white elite, who may be corrupt, but not corrupt and inept.

      • Liberalsuck

        but many white-looking “hispanics” and mixed race people always side with their nonwhite side because they hate whites and/or think it will be beneficial to them.

        • Tucker

          Excellent point and also 100 percent accurate. I have paid extremely close attention to mixed race people who have some White genes, and they will ALWAYS side with their non-white genes. Always.

          Not only that, but Whites who race mix with non-whites (males or females) will always take the side of their non-white partner, in every conflict that might arise that pits the ethnic interests of Whites against those of their non-white spouse.

          • Only in the US. Not in Cuba or Brazil etc. So- cultural climate has to be changed. There is nothing inherently anti-white in light mixed people. They would chose to side with whites- if it pays back.

      • IstvanIN

        He could be 100% Euro but Hispanics always side against Anglos.

        • The Spanish and the English do have a long history of goading and antagonizing one another…

        • NM156

          Good point, but his origins are worth noting when the spin begins on his ethnicity. What if “Hispanics” , i.e. Mexicans, won’t buy what the GOP is selling?

    • Brendan

      Rubio is rabidly pro-immigration, like all other Cuban Republicans, it seems.

    • Texan1st

      What would Rubio have done for the Romney ticket? Let’s look at the electoral college. Most Latinos are in Texas, California, and Florida. Romney won Texas without Rubio so no gain made. Obama won California by such a huge margin that Rubio on the Romney ticket wouldn’t have helped. Obama still would have won California. Florida might have gone for Romney/Rubio but even with Florida, Romney would have never reached 270 electoral votes.

  • Puggg

    Thinking about this subject matter in general — I’ve never seen a bunch of poorer winners like the left.

    We all thought that a Romney win would bring out the unhinged anti-white racial left. As it turns out, we need not have worried: A Romney loss bought out both the unhinged anti-white racial left and the unhinged anti-white racial “mainstream right” to show their true colors.

    As a bonus, Obama not losing eliminated the possibility of black riots.

    • Libearlsuck

      It might have eliminated the black riots (for now) but more whites are talking about secession. It’s not a topic that will go away. As whites become more and more of a dwindling population and while blacks and hispanics and asians fight for power, we will all fight for areas of the country to break off and be whites only or blacks only or hispanics only, etc.

  • The money part from Steyn:

    Indeed, I notice that many of those exulting in the inevitable eclipse
    of “white America” are the same people who assure me that demographic
    arguments about the Islamization of Europe are completely preposterous.

    However, we still have some issues re Steyn: He’s STILL anti-BNP.

    • Eagle_Eyed

      The famous Milton Friedman quote comes to mind: ‘Unless it is politically profitable for the wrong people to do the right thing, the right people will not do the right thing either, or if they try, they will shortly be out of office.’

      Regardless of which political route we choose–splitting off to form “Far-Right” parties or attempting to reform “Center-Right” parties–nothing will change unless the majority of decent, white Westerners decide enough is enough.

    • Liberalsuck

      Unlike white British people, White Americans aren’t going to give up their guns and I suspect when many whites are pushed into a corner they will start opening fire.

    • curri

      Neither BNP or any other party like it will get anywhere because of the English first-past-the-post voting system-an affliction shared by the US. There have been dozens of pro-white, pro-Anglo-Saxon nationalist parties in Britain starting with Mosley in 1930’s and none of them ever got a single seat in parliament.

      Some say that the BNP currently includes too many misfits and dysfunctionals to get anywhere. A close look at the membership of Conservatives and Labour will quickly dispel such a notion. What happens is that once a party gets established in parliament
      the media starts putting the peccadilloes of its MP’s in a “proper human context” instead of as part of a freak show. Of course left-wing and Establishment parties will always get the biggest breaks, but once you get elected to serious office (NOT Euro Parliament ) the contempt fades away and they switch to hating you with grudging respect.

  • You Are Now Enriched

    Then let us prepare to live in the Third World, and stop talking like we expect Mass Awareness of Racial Differences in IQ will stem the darkening tide.

    We are past the tipping point, and our only reasonable response is to start acting like a matured White community and find every means possible to stop funding immigrant privilege.

    Successful resistance, even though not a long term victory, is a victory for God and the spirit of White Humanity.

    • Net_Drifter

      I like it.

    • Tucker

      Sorry, Ms. You Are Now Enriched – your wish just is not going to happen.

      Here’s why: For the last 60 plus years, which is approximately the amount of time that the most deadly brainwashing mechanism ever known in world history has been up and running, and in the hands of our virulently anti-White Cultural Marxist enemies – meaning, Television and the motion picture industry – this brainwashing weapon has deliberately, and with pre-meditated malice aforethought, been used to indoctrinate the masses with endless anti-White themes, messages, and negative portrayals of White European people.

      In the beginning, the Cultural Marxists had to be careful – due to the wisdom of our former WASP ruling elites, because they had the old Hollywood Production Code in place and it put significant restrictions upon the material that was permitted to be shown on TV and in Hollywood movies. However, even this was not perfect – because I make a point of watching older movies and older TV programs that were produced prior to the end of the Production code in 1968, and I see plenty of anti-White propaganda and anti-White, White guilt-tripping poison being cleverly woven into the scripts and story lines of even the older material. In most cases, prior to 1968, the Cultural Marxist poison was usually quite subtle, in order to have a better chance of sneaking it past the Production Code board’s radar, but anyone who is white and who knows what to look for – can easily see the anti-White propaganda that was being promoted.

      Since 1965 – our enemies have flooded our nation with millions and millions of non-White aliens from every backwater, third world failed nation on the planet. This means that these non-whites have also been spending enormous amounts of their free time sitting in front of their 32″ wide electronic brainwashing devices – or, in movie theaters – and they have been absorbing this anti-White hatred and poison, along with the 30 million white idiots who voted for Obama on November 6th.

      These non-whites have been taught to hate White people and that includes every aspect of our culture, our values, our traditions and our history and an alarming number of our fellow Whites share those same hatreds.

      A sober prediction: The enemy owned and controlled mainstream media is not only not going to change direction and stop spewing this anti-White propaganda, now that they have changed the demographics sufficiently to ensure that no White man will ever again be elected to the White House – they will accelerate this anti-White propaganda to even greater levels and there will be no attempt to be subtle about it, either. It will become blatant. The goal of these Cultural Marxists is White European genocide, lady. To achieve that goal, it is essential for them to continue to inflame and incite minority hatred against White European people – and sooner or later, these hatreds and resentments are going to reach a boiling point and that’s when Whites will become targets for ethnic cleansing. I am not referring to once a week black or mestizo reported murders of a few white people. I am talking about Mass murder, folks. Genocide, USSR-style. Genocide, Rwanda-style. Genocide, Zimbabwe-style. And, our minority controlled government will turn a blind eye and do nothing to stop it.

      Does everyone get the picture? So, Ms. You Are Now Enriched – Whites are not going to be permitted to quietly and maturely slither away into our own communities and then sit around thumping our Bibles and be granted the fundamental right just to be left alone. They will be coming after us, no matter where we try to hide or escape. This is a certainty, folks.

      By the way, this coming December 25th, 2012 – our Cultural Marxist enemies plan to release the new Quentin Tarantino movie, ‘Udango Unchained’ in movie theaters all across America. On Christmas Day, no less. For those who haven’t seen it, there is a preview trailer for this movie – which is about a black bounty hunter, and in the trailer, this black bounty hunter grins and delivers a tag line that goes something like this:

      “Killing white people….and getting paid for it…..What’s not to like about that?”

      Is the light bulb over your white heads beginning to flicker, just a little? Are you, like I, kind of hoping that when the carnage begins – they start with those 30 million White race traitors who voted for Obama?

      • Alex

        I remember seeing an interview with a former KGB propaganda agent and he insisted that cultural marxism was being slowly exported to America to infiltrate the society and spread its subversive message. Their empire might have collapsed, but we truly are seeing the weeds they planted choking us to death.

        • Gracchus123

          Vaclav Havel, former president of the Czech Republic, IIRC, who grew up under communism, was a true freedom fighter. He stated in a speech in DC years ago, that America should be very careful in spite of the fact of the demise of the Soviet Union because that certainly did not mean the end of communism or the threat of communism for us.

          He stated that the communist movement had wrapped itself in a GREEN cloak and was alive and well.

          Now I am all for protecting the environment for future generations, but I am not for stifling industry to the point that it cripples the nation’s ability to prosper and be strong.

          We can have environmental intelligence as well as prosperity.

        • Sloppo

          I seem to remember seeing a former KGB agent speak regarding that subject.

          A Ukrainian friend of mine’s child corrected his graduate school professor after the prof casually mentioned that the US had “won the cold war”. He said something like “I grew up with communism. Today I look around and I’ve got some bad news for you. The US didn’t win the cold war”. The prof was very upset, but sometimes it’s kind of hard to argue against an intelligent person armed with facts.

          • Periapsis

            That child is right, the U.S. and white Americans are in reality, the loser of the Cold War. Communists are still in power in Eastern Europe, even though they do not have unchallenged control of the region. White Americans now have NO power whatsoever in their own land.

      • KingKenton

        Excellent comment. You are absolutely correct in stating that Televsision and Hollywood are THE means by which White America has been controlled and defeated. Shame on anyone who calls himself a White Nationalist and has a subscribtion to cable or satellite tv. The gloves are coming off. Since the election the anti-White rhetoric has been open and palpable. They smell blood. But I think the openly anti-White rhetoric will work to our advantage in the long run as it will galvanize a good many Whites towards unity.

      • David Ashton

        The Udango Diaries?

  • David Ashton

    A commercial retailer who thinks he is losing money might switch from selling shirts to selling shirts. Should he sell hard drugs to make himself richer?
    Should clergy that are losing congregations and collections switch from preaching virtue to advocating vice? Should policemen who feel they are underpaid go in for a bit of covert theft?
    Should soldiers who look like losing just cross over to join the enemy? Should Republicans who think they might lose political office become Democrats in disguise?
    Save the party by destroying the nation? It isn’t only wrong. It won’t work.

  • libertarian1234

    There were about 10 million whites who were registered to vote but did not. I suspect a good portion of these were hard core conservatives who didn’t think Romney was conservative enough and a large number were probably Ron Paul supporters.

    It seems to me it would have made more sense to entice this faction to come aboard rather than trying to curry favor with non-whites who are going to vote for Santa Claus no matter what party he is in.

    I doubt giving amnesty to illegals is going to win many votes. Only freebies will do that with the Latin crowd.

    But I think all this business of changing demographics is a bit premature. It might be best to
    wait and see what 2013 brings us, because the economy is still slowing down and the prospects for the near future look pretty grim.

    If the plummet occurs as expected, it’s very likely these economic refugees will flee the country, especially when social freebies are cut back drastically. If the country falls into depression, I think there’s no doubt a very large number will go home. If the country erupts into civil war, I’m pretty sure many will be inundating Mexico and further south, as well as filling the ships and planes for points east.

    • Liberalsuck

      Obama will bankrupt us with socialism. Romney will bankrupt us with endless wars and spreading the empire more and more.

  • If it follows that amnesty will win the Hispanic vote for Republicans because Hispanics are conservatives by nature, how do we account for the fact that Reagan gave them his “one-time-only” amnesty and yet Hispanics still don’t vote Republican.

    Will it take a second amnesty?

  • MekongDelta69

    You import the third world – you get the third world.

    Thank you Ted Kennedy. I’m sorry Mary Jo Kopechne isn’t around to see your ‘legacy.’

    • Integration Anxiety

      a Latin American population will wind up living in a Latin American society.

      More true words have never been spoken. This is also true of Arabs indoctrinating Islam in the minds of host Western nations no matter where they lay their heads, Chinese bringing in subpar products and trying to cheat the consumer everywhere they go, Sub-Saharan Africans bringing all the joys of raping, pillaging, “necklacing”, killing, looting anything in their vision everywhere they go. And when this “enrichment project” continues in America unabated and Whites stop pro-creating, similar to the Japanese in the East, civilization as we know it is going down. It’s like a dog chasing its tail. The invaders never realize that they are the problem. But unmistakeably, they are the problem. Not that it’s all their fault that they are the problem. Humans only react to the environment that they are brought up in. So a 3rd World mestizo who works for a drug cartel only sees violence his whole life is going to come over here and think he can do what he’s always done. Never mind that oath he took or the promise to obey our laws. He was never held to be responsible down there. Who is going to hold him responsible now? See where I’m going with this?

      • KingKenton

        Or as someone once noted… Mexico is where Mexicans are.

  • AB7

    Don’t get too worked up over America becoming a Third World country due to demographics from out of control immigration, the spread of Islam will in any case ensure there is no so-called freedom and democracy in America. And while there is at least “hope” that immigrants can be somehow assimilated, there is zero chance that Islam will be assimilated. And anyone who thinks that Islam will change and that American Muslims will forever be “different” than all the Muslims all over the world for the past 1400 years, please have a check up at the nearest clinic, you are insane.

  • Petronius

    “None of us can know the future.” – Mark Steyn

    Perhaps the day is not far off when the Democrat candidate for president of the U.S. will be unable to speak or debate in English? Perhaps the Party will bring in a translator to speak for him. Or rather, they will need a variety of interpreters, one for each of the diverse voting blocs and tribes, with all of their mysterious tongues and dialects, such as the varieties of Nahuatl or Khoisan.

    Aymara. Quechua. Somali. Urdu. Hindi. Bengali. Ngaanyatjarra. You-name-it.

    But will they still need a translator for English? No, perhaps not English. English may soon be a thing of the past. Like Latin, a dead language.

    Romanus orbis ruit.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    Mark Steyn: “According to the Census, in 1970 the “Non-Hispanic White” population of California was 78 percent. By the 2010 census, it was 40 percent.”


    The transformation California was more dramatic than Steyn suggests:

    California: 1960 percent non-Hispanic white: 92
    See 1960 Census data for California; scroll to Table 14:

    [Calculation: White population (14,455,230) divided by Total population (15,717,204) = 92 percent]

    California: 2011 percent non-Hispanic white: 39.7 percent

  • KenelmDigby

    Says it all really.
    An excellent and perceptive article by Mark Steyn which everyone should take heed of.

  • scutum

    You are all missing a major component of O’Bama’s re-election win.(UNIONS ) I live in Wisconsin and I have friends who are very conservative. They own guns. go deer hunting every year, are pro-life, and most have served in the military. However, most of them also work in unionized factory’s, trades and/or government jobs, including my own sister and brother in-law. They complain about illegal immigration, the poor economy, outsourcing of jobs and all the things we complain about on this site. Yet they all, in lock step, vote democratic because of propaganda and pressure from their unions. I would urge you all to support right to work legislation in your state.

    • Gracchus123

      How can the unions know what they do in the voting booth? This is a serious question.

  • RobRoySimmons
  • SargintRock

    SOYLENT GREEN is coming to a community near you and the flavor of choice now that Twinkies are history is white bread!

  • 5Sardonicus

    First Pat Buchanan, then Ann Coulter, and now Mark Steyn,
    more and more political pundits are waking up to the fact that a country filled
    with Third World people will become part of the Third World. We are filling the
    country with low-born, uneducated and low IQ immigrants. These are people who
    come from primitive countries with little experience with liberty or rule of
    law. For the most part, we aren’t getting the aristocratic
    “Sanque Azul” upper classes or hard-working white middle class business men,
    like we did when Castro took over. No, here comes the backward, poor Cholos, Mestizos and Mullatos. As is already happening in California, when the takers outnumber the producers, the country will become just another Latin American “banana” or Caribbean
    “coconut” republic. However, don’t expect a fiesta for whites, but a funeral.

    • William Allingham

      Not for nothing “mulatto” comes from “mule” because it was seen so unnatural the mixing with blacks that they were expected to be infertile as mules.

      What went wrong from that to a black president?

      little doses of liberal venom create tolerance until even we are so sick; we accept it, its like the alcoholic that is dying of cirrhosis and still denying to have a problem with alcohol, wishfully believing that there’s someone out there to blame (usually more responsible people than him).

      Greg Johnson said in an interview “As if there were not enough Spanish speaking, failed countries out there, they want to add the USA”

  • i learned something today

    I forget who it was that said it, but they nailed it: “In a homogeneous society, people vote for their interests; in a divided society people vote for their group.”

  • kanuck45

    Third world immigration will and must create third world conditions.

  • Major

    Detroit is certainly in a league of its own in terms of the level of decrepitude, brutal criminality, abject filth and decay, utter corruption, and monumental mismanagement due to its majority-minority third-world population. But this country is full of cesspools like Detroit in nearly every state. And these cesspools were responsible for the election of Hussein. Detroit is now the face of the USA. The only way out of this madness for those of us who live in the hinterlands and do not want to devolve into poverty, penury, and outright slavery and serfdom is the nullification and secession movement. We simply must cast off the chains and shackles of these sinks of corruption and rebuild the Constitutional Republic of old that was lost to us by the creatures in the cities.

    As a resident of the hinterlands, I’m in the process of emotionally divesting myself from the USA. The plight of places like Detroit and LA will hopefully soon have no more resonance with me than Nairobi or Cairo.

  • Major

    Detroit is certainly in a league of its own in terms of the level of decrepitude, brutal criminality, abject filth and decay, utter corruption, and monumental mismanagement due to its majority-minority third-world population. But this country is full of cesspools like Detroit in nearly every state. And these cesspools were responsible for the election of Hussein.

    Detroit is now the face of the USA. The only way out of this madness for those of us who live in the hinterlands and do not want to devolve into poverty, penury, and outright slavery and serfdom is the nullification and secession movement. We simply must cast off the chains and shackles of these sinks of corruption and rebuild the Constitutional Republic of old that was lost to us by the creatures in the cities.

    As a resident of the hinterlands, I’m in the process of emotionally divesting myself from the USA. The plight of places like Detroit and LA will hopefully soon have no more resonance with me than Nairobi or Cairo.

    • Gracchus123

      Couldn’t agree more with you, but how do we divest ourselves of the taxes we have to pay to support these dregs??? How do we sever our ties completely from the laws that will be passed to further oppress us?

  • Joseph Usario

    We are devolving into something like “Planet of the Apes”. This country will be several sub-species of militant aggressive “browns” : races interbred with Europeans and Asians creating masses possessed of a trifecta of high fecundity with just enough intelligence AND belligerence to really plunge us into an age of poverty, ignorance and disease; look to the middle-east for cues.

    They really *create* little but more copies of themselves though they quickly learn to appropriate the worst aspects of violence and enabling technologies. They’ll have inherited certain aspects of technology creating generally, a society of violent, superstitious semi-morons who believe themselves to be scientists and philosophers and righteous in their endeavors to eradicate whites and any form of a republic.

  • David Ashton

    Mexicamerica, Eurabia, Chicanada and Australindia?
    Call a halt now!