London Is No Longer an English City and That’s How It Got the Olympics, Says John Cleese

Hugo Gye, Daily Mail (London), September 2, 2011

Mass immigration has turned London into a city that is ‘no longer English’, John Cleese claims.

The former Monty Python star says he now feels like a foreigner walking through the capital’s streets.

California-based Cleese, 71, moved to the U.S. more than two decades ago, having grown up in Somerset.

The comic was asked what he thought about British culture and the recent London riots during an interview on 7.30, a television show in Australia, where he is currently on a stand-up tour.

He replied: ‘I’m not sure what’s going on in Britain. Or, let me say this–I don’t know what’s going on in London, because London is no longer an English city.

‘That’s how we got the Olympics.

‘They said we were the most cosmopolitan city on Earth. But it doesn’t feel English.

‘I had a Californian friend come over two months ago, walk down the King’s Road and say, “Where are all the English people?”

‘I mean, I love having different cultures around. But when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you’re left thinking, “Well, what’s going on?”‘

Far-Right group the English Defence League seized on Cleese’s comments yesterday, posting a link to them on its Twitter page. A spokesman for London mayor Boris Johnson said: ‘If the King’s Road is jam-packed with foreign tourists then that is something we should celebrate.’

And former mayor Ken Livingstone–currently standing for the post again–said: ‘To stay competitive, London must be what New York is to the U.S., a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here.’

The comedian was praised by UKIP leader Nigel Farage for articulating ‘what an increasing number of people in London are thinking’.

He added: ‘For him to make these remarks shows a tremendous strength of feeling on this matter.

‘Of course other cultures are welcome, but Mr Cleese is right to point out that it should not be at the expense of the parent culture.’

Of the eight million people who currently live in Greater London, 2.7million residents were born outside the UK, and more than 300 languages are spoken in the city.

Last year Cleese, a Liberal Democrat supporter, lamented the state of modern England, bemoaning a decline in traditional middle-class values, which he says has been replaced by ‘a yob culture’.

He is now preparing to leave the U.S., where he has been living for 21 years, revealing that his decision was partly prompted by a fall in the amount of work he is offered in the States.

The Fawlty Towers star initially moved to California in 1990.

Last year he bought an apartment near Bath so that he could be near to his new girlfriend, jewellery designer Jennifer Wade, and her family when he visited the UK.

It was seen as something of a homecoming for the star, who was born 33 miles away in Weston-super-Mare.

He said he now prefers visiting Bath than London, claiming: ‘It feels more like the England I grew up in.’

However, he says that he won’t be returning to live in Britain permanently, because it would mean paying vast amounts in extra tax on divorce payments to his third wife, Alyce Faye Eichelberger.

He lost more than half his fortune in 2009 when a judge granted Miss Eichelberger £12.5million, as well as £600,000 a year in maintenance payments for seven years.

Instead, he says he is considering buying a home in Switzerland or Monaco.

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  • Blaak Obongo

    Far-Right group the English Defence League seized on Cleese’s comments yesterday…”

    Awfully nice of this Hugo Guy fellow to let us know what to think of the EDL, isn’t it? I mean, without handy little reminders like this one, how would I know they were a bunch of “far-right” fanatics that I should despise? Why, I might even have to make up my own mind! Shocking!

    “Last year Cleese, a Liberal Democrat supporter, lamented the state of modern England, bemoaning a decline in traditional middle-class values…”

    Anyone else see the contradiction here?

    “…he is considering buying a home in Switzerland or Monaco.”

    Those places should be White enough for you, John. Pity the rest of us peons don’t have the option of a Swiss chalet to which to escape.

  • Anonymous

    “a decline in traditional middle-class values, which he says has been replaced by ‘a yob culture’.”

    It is not just the middle class culture and values. The English working class values and culture too.

    Prior to WW2, the English had the reputation as the most law abiding people on the planet. No longer.

    Something has happened, but I am not just sure what it is! Maybe some Englishman will read this and enlighten us all?

  • White Guy In Japan

    Wow! Nice, refreshing honesty from a (fading, but still funny) celebrity. We usually get Lady Gaga promoting gay marriage and Brad Pitt shedding crocodile tears over starving Africans.

    Wonder who will condemn him for stating the obvious.

  • Mr.White

    “Last year Cleese, a Liberal Democrat supporter, lamented the state of modern England, bemoaning a decline in traditional middle-class values, which he says has been replaced by ‘a yob culture’.”

    ———————————————————

    Do not the “Liberal Democrats” encourage and promote above all else “multiculturalism and diversity,” irrespective of how reckless and destructive it might be to the host culture?

    As is generally the case with many of these “Liberal Democrats”, they have the financial means to escape the invasive, multi-cult hell their policies create. Isn’t that usually how it works with these people?

  • Anonymous

    Sounds, feels and looks like America. Only we have even more 3rd worlders than England could ever dream(dream of, is the wrong word) of. Doesn’t anyone ever ask WHY this is happening to only White nations? Hasn’t anyone figured that out yet? Are they still so afraid to admit the reasons why and DO something to stop the genocide of our people? Apparently.

  • Anonymous

    Mr. Livingstone, if multiculturalism is the only way London could host the 2012 Olympics, then how was it possible for Pyeongchong, South Korea, able win the 2018 Winter Games, in a country that has an overwhelmingly homogeneous population?

  • Question Diversity

    ‘They said we were the most cosmopolitan city on Earth. But it doesn’t feel English…A spokesman for London mayor Boris Johnson said: ‘If the King’s Road is jam-packed with foreign tourists then that is something we should celebrate.’…And former mayor Ken Livingstone—currently standing for the post again—said: ‘To stay competitive, London must be what New York is to the U.S., a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here.’

    We’ll see how well this theory works in 2050. Will “multi-racial” New York and London, or very mono-racial and mono-cultural Beijing be the world’s dominant economic and business urban area?

    Then there is the matter of man cannot live on bread alone. Boris Johnson must be the only politician on Earth dumb enough to say in public that traffic jams are good. London and New York are viciously expensive, working class native born whites don’t have a prayer of being able to live there. And you can forget about any real civic pride or social cohesion, just everyone bowling alone.

  • DoppelGangbanger

    “And former mayor Ken Livingstone—currently standing for the post again—said: ‘To stay competitive, London must be what New York is to the U.S., a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here.’”

    The former mayor must never have heard of the 19th century, among other things. If you look back through the last half of the 20th century, you can see that Britain’s gradual decline directly correlates with the dilution of her people.

  • sbuffalonative

    Mr. Cleese actually spoke about this in April before the riots. Here is the previous article with some variation:

    London is no longer an English city, says John Cleese. Is he right?

    http://tinyurl.com/3v37s55

    ‘If the King’s Road is jam-packed with foreign tourists then that is something we should celebrate.’

    The problem is that these “foreign tourist” aren’t tourists.

    As a side note, I have been a long time fan of Python humor. I would go as so far to say that not a day goes by when a line from a Python skit doesn’t enter my mind and I chuckle to myself.

    But over the years, the Python troupe has championed the ‘anti-racist’ bandwagon.

    If you go to the official website, the first thing you currently find is footage for the Concert for Bangladesh and pleas to donate to UNICEF. Frankly, it’s not funny:

    http://pythonline.com/

  • Anonymous

    ‘I mean, I love having different cultures around. But when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you’re left thinking, “Well, what’s going on?”’

    _________________________________________________________________

    Oh, stop it! I am so sick of Whites all over the world who feel like they have to justify their dislike of what their countries are turning into by ALWAYS adding some idiotic remark like this.

    ‘I mean, I love having different cultures around.” Or my best friend is black, brown etc. etc.. STOP IT! NEVER justify by back tracking! Has anyone else noticed this stupidity?

    Then he goes on and says, he is considering buying a home in Switzerland or Monaco. Good Grief!

    Not many different cultures living there, right, Cleese?

  • Lakeview Senior

    I experienced the same thing myself when I visited London, that it didn’t seem English to me. If you walk down Edgeware Road towards Oxford Street which is a very busy part of the city, you’ll walk past Arabs sitting outside at their cafes and looking at you as if to say, “what are you doing here?” Stop in any of the many large department stores which line Oxford Street on both sides, and you’ll be waited on by a Nigerian more likely than an English man or woman. The same thing holds at the many tourist attractions such as the British Museum. I found the foreign sales clerks very rude. The same with their famous taxis. I suppose if you are looking for a typical English experience a person would have to travel to some small town or village. Chicago is getting to be that way too. African Americans make up the majority of public employees, bus drivers, mail deliery persons, etc. That’s about it from my viewpoint.

  • sbuffalonative

    Oh, stop it! I am so sick of Whites all over the world who feel like they have to justify their dislike of what their countries are turning into by ALWAYS adding some idiotic remark like this.

    I suspect the Mr. Cleese is suffering from classic cognitive dissonance.

    He sees the change around him and it makes him uncomfortable. However, to admit to himself that he sees these changes causes him to wonder if he might be a ‘racist’. He believes he’s a nice guy and not a racist so he can’t understand why these changes disturb him.

    He can’t reconcile why he feels uncomfortable surrounded by this alien culture but he does. The only answer is that he is a racist (or more accurately culturally and racially aware) but he refuses to believe that about himself.

    Around and around he goes. The only way to maintain his mental defense is to remove himself from this invading alien culture so he doesn’t have to think about it and go mad.

  • G. Nomon

    Monty Python was in the forefront of the drive to tear down the old order in Britain–nothing was sacred, not middle- (or upper-) class values, not the Church, not even the Royal Family. As funny as people found them at the time (and I was one of those people), the Oxbridge-educated Pythons, like many comedians of the last 40 or 50 years, were unrelenting in their attacks on the Establishment that paid their salaries–and were handsomely rewarded for their efforts. Lesser talents followed in their wake to kick the rubble around a bit more, and now that irreparable damage has been done, an elderly Cleese, horrified that the contagion has spread to his Southern California sanctuary, tells us London is “no longer an English city.” What was the line in “Holy Grail”? Oh, yeah…”Run away! Run away!”

  • Anonymous

    Are there any stories that show white resistance? Where is the pushback? Every article is depressing. One story after another revealing whites rolling over to die before the orcs. This must be how Rome fell. No inspiration.

  • karsten

    So let’s get this straight. Cleese makes a career out of humiliating traditional English aristocratic types and making them and their worldview seem ridiculous, and now he’s astonished by what has come of it?

    I’m astonished at the lack of reflection on his part. How could he not have known that this is what would happen?

    I wonder if, even for a moment, it might ever dawn on him that the very people whom he trashed throughout his career, the old upper-crust establishment types, the landed gentry and such, might have been the only people in England who might have stopped all this, if they hadn’t been culturally crucified and their world-view rendered illegitimate over the past half-century.

    I wonder if, on his deathbed, Cleese might realize that the kind of world that was sought by England’s Basil Fawltys — whom he obviously detested so much — was actually a Britain that he would have preferred living in to the one that he and his kind helped create.

  • dan

    I read the other day, something to the effect that liberals (marxists really) always run away from the mess that they create, and then carry on in their typical fashion once relocated. Honestly, the hypocrite factor is breath-taking. Something has to give; we owe our children much better than this.

  • Anonymous

    Beijing had no trouble at all getting the 2008 Olympics. Nobody said it had to cease to be a Chinese city to get this overrated event that is just once every four years and lasts only a few weeks.

  • Dave

    A spokesman for London mayor Boris Johnson said: ‘If the King’s Road is jam-packed with foreign tourists then that is something we should celebrate.’

    Lol, Boris (‘I’m way down there with the ethnics’) Johnson. I dont know which one is the biggest prat for being right on and p/c out of him and ‘Dave’ the man Cam. Once Boris let slip something about ‘blacks with watermelon smiles’. God knows how he ever lived it down (probably by making daft statements like that one): ‘then that is something we should celebrate.’

    Boris, they are not tourists. And you the mayor should know that. So stop lying. They live here. They are ‘British’ now.’

  • voter

    “…he is considering buying a home in Switzerland or Monaco.”

    Those places should be White enough for you, John.

    Pity the rest of us peons don’t have the option of a Swiss chalet [or Riviera villa] to which to escape.

    ———————-

    Tut tut for the poor chap. He’s not really suffering then.

    But do continue voting for those Liberal Democrats, John.

    We wouldn’t want anyone to think you’re one of those terrible right-wingers, would we? After all, you don’t have to stay home and face the music, like millions of others. From the confort of the Riviera it will be easy to pontificate.

  • Kenelm Digby

    Roger Daltrey, lead singer of the Who, made similare remarks about UK immigration policy a few weeks ago.

    Being a man of a ‘certain age’ both John Cleese and Roger Daltrey are heroes of mine.

  • Anonymous

    It’s tough to see Mr Cleese embattled over this; half his instincts (actually all his INSTINCTS) direct him to voice racial solidarity; but as a child of the marxist 1960s, he has been taught to behave otherwise.

    Now, in old age, his instincts come to the fore.

    I loved Python, still do; Love Cleese.

    I wish he had the will to speak his mind more clearly; if there were’nt a total price to pay (the leveling of his career and name), he would just say it all.

    But this is as good as it gets.

    At least he said this much.

    A lot of Liberal entertainers from Britain have ditched multiculturalism: Morrissey , possibly (don’t know or care) a gay singer of 1980s fame, has spoken bluntly about how he hates the loss of England.

    Good for him!

  • Ondrej Stirsky

    “He said he now prefers visiting Bath than London, claiming: ‘It feels more like the England I grew up in.’”

    It definitely feels more like England.

    From wiki:”Demographics shows , the district is overwhelmingly populated by people of a white ethnic background at 97.2% – significantly higher than the national average of 90.9%. Other ethnic groups in the district, in order of population size, are multiracial at 1%, Asian at 0.5% and black at 0.5% (the national averages are 1.3%, 4.6% and 2.1%, respectively).”

  • JasonC

    I was in London with a friends 7 year boy he asked ‘why are all people in London black?’. It was very hard for me not shed a tear.

  • Laager

    Quite right – London is not England any longer.

    It has become the cross-roads of the world.

    You may find some remaining enclaves of English/Britishness in the upper echelons of society in exclusive institutions.

    For example the annual Lord Mayor’s Banquet

    To find the real England you have to head out to the small expensive villages in the counties where those that can afford it buy their segregation for a high price.

  • ProudtobeWhite

    The immigrants flooding London are not skilled, educated, wealthy people eager to assimilate, but illiterate, needy, people with their own values and norms, who will create their own enclaves and ghettoes. They become a blight to the city and contribute nothing but crime and expense to an already overtaxed White Brit. Why hire Nigerian waiters, when for centuries the country got along fine with White waiters?

  • Anonymous

    The white mentality and justisfication for “diversity” is just amazing while in denial of the chaos and their pockets drained by “diversity”. A study should be done of this. It would be interesting to see the conclusions.

  • Anonymous

    The liberal democrats of England are in the middle. It is the labour party that is so pro non White immigration and replacing English culture with African and Muslim culture.

    The liberal democrats are a tiny party. They are very liberal but not quite as insane as the labour party.

  • Eric

    “And former mayor Ken Livingstone—currently standing for the post again—said: ‘To stay competitive, London must be what New York is to the U.S., a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here.’”

    Such a depressing statement. And not true on any level. Importing third world masses, most of which are illiterate peasants won’t turn London into a “global centre of business.” Once again an arrogant elite politician telling the rightful inhabitants that they must dilute their culture, or outright destroy it for the benefit of the world.

  • Question Diversity

    17 Anonymous:

    In addition to all that, the cost of holding Summer Olympics keeps going up and up. The main drivers are venue construction and security expenses, the latter more so after 9/11. Eventually, I predict that Summer games will quietly rotate between several big prosperous cities with pre-built venues, the only non-sunk cost will be security.

  • ghw

    21 — Anonymous wrote:

    It’s tough to see Mr Cleese embattled over this; half his instincts (actually all his INSTINCTS) direct him to voice racial solidarity; but as a child of the marxist 1960s, he has been taught to behave otherwise.

    Now, in old age, his instincts come to the fore.

    I wish he had the will to speak his mind more clearly; if there were’nt a total price to pay (the leveling of his career and name), he would just say it all.

    But this is as good as it gets.

    At least he said this much.

    _____________________________

    Why not say it all?

    He is in his 70’s, his fortune has been made. He will never starve. He is retiring to Switzerland or the Riviera. He won’t be in England and hasn’t lived there for many years anyway. So what has he to fear? He can laugh it off from his villa in Monte Carlo. (We should all be so lucky.)

    Yes, he’ll be pilloried and smeared as a “racist”, but who cares at this point? Many people will admire him for his courage instead of despising him for his cowardice.

    This is the time to speak up, John! Either say it now or never, and forever hold your peace!

  • Alan Andrews

    “Those places should be White enough for you, John. Pity the rest of us peons don’t have the option of a Swiss chalet to which to escape.”

    Yes, but there is a wee little detail to take into a account:

    http://goo.gl/KzYMV

    “Some speculate that awards on this monstrous scale will put men off marriage and therefore damage the interests of decent, British women.”

    Poor John Cleese. He certainly didn’t deserve that. And yeah, that’s why it’s good…no, imperative, to m-a-k-e m-o-n-e-y, as much of it as you can possibly get your grubby hands on, so that you can afford to escape the otherwise inescapable.

  • Anonymous

    20 — Kenelm Digby wrote at 4:07 AM on September 3:

    “Roger Daltrey, lead singer of the Who, made similare remarks about UK immigration policy a few weeks ago.

    Being a man of a ‘certain age’ both John Cleese and Roger Daltrey are heroes of mine.”

    Interesting to note this among many one time seeming liberal Baby Boomer, musicians and artists. Lately, really about the last 20 years, more have made at least assiduous comment on the world changing a bit more in a way they hadn’t really wanted, or fully realized. So Bob Dylan has written songs like “Political World,” “Things Have Changed,” and “High Water,” while Robert Plant (of Led Zeppelin) actually divorced his long time Pakistani wife and now does strictly Western sounding music such as the Emmy winning “Raising Sand” duets with American Country Singer, Allison Krause. The final song on that album is one of the most beautiful, Carter Family styled songs with religious overtones that I think I have ever heard, and I’m the one who usually criticizes Christianity. Good heartfelt music that clearly belongs to all white Westerners is a good thing. His last album also has a version of Richard Thompson’s song about a shaky society where the natives are being wiped out, “House of Cards.”

    Not meant to be a music review, but to note how many former or now closet liberals are beginning to see the light, at least where the value of race and Western Culture is concerned.

  • Anonymous

    28 — Eric at 1:54 PM on September 3:

    I agree. This is clearly a statement from a man who doesn’t understand the situation because he no longer understands what once was and how well it worked. He has traveled so far without a string of connection that he doesn’t see either his connection to it or the way back.

  • True Blue

    When you make a career of following the Frankfurt School playbook; why should you be surprised that the civilization you ridiculed and demonized is in decline?

    I used to enjoy Python, like many others of us, but frankly I now find that they are as guilty of cultural genocide as anybody. I honestly hope that Switzerland tells him to go sleep in the bed he helped create, and refuses him entry. Better yet; let’s see if he can film the ‘Minister of Funny Walks’ bit on the streets of London again -without six and a half battalions of police infantry to protect his ‘privilege’; bet he doesn’t go half a block before being mugged or beaten to a pulp -and it’d serve him right. He, and so many others are of the mindset similar to a spoiled child who murders their parents out of spite, then later discovers that the parents they viciously killed had been their only true shield from the horrors of the real world. Devil take them all.

  • Filled with Foreboding

    There are three ‘mainstream’ parties in England – the Conservatives (who are anything but conservative), Labour, and the Liberal Democrats. All three agree that immigration is a strength and that there is no greater evil than racism. All three follow the same mantra: black is good, white is bad. Everyone I speak to agrees that these parties have destroyed our country yet still fully 90% of the electorate continues to vote for them. These parties should have gone out of business decades ago but they are propped up by the media, which is propped up itself. As for Cleese, he knows what is self-evident; that civilization cannot afford multi-culturalism.

    A century from now, England will be a mono-culture. It will be either all white, all African or all Muslim. My money, sad to say, is on the Muslims. Africans will lack the ambition, Whites the numbers.

  • Browser

    34 — True Blue wrote:

    “When you make a career of following the Frankfurt School playbook, why should you be surprised that the civilization you ridiculed and demonized is in decline?”

    __ __ __ __

    The best, truest, pithiest, statement on this whole thread!

    He (and others like him) helped make his own bed. Too bad he can’t now lie in it, instead of escaping to Switzerland.

  • Browser

    28 — Eric wrote:

    “former mayor Ken Livingstone—currently standing for the post again—said: ‘To stay competitive, London must be what New York is to the U.S., a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here.’”

    Such a depressing statement. And not true on any level. Importing third world masses, most of which are illiterate peasants won’t turn London into a “global centre of business.”

    __ __ __ __

    Very true. This is the same seductive mantra that lured Toronto astray and made it into what it is today — a sinkhole of globalism and diversity… a teeming. seething extension of the Third World.

    Back in the 60’s Toronto — a fine, clean, safe, white city — also wished to imitate New York and become a world business center.

    Well, they got what they wanted! They now have a downtown that looks like Wall Street. But they also have crime, chaos, ethnic rivalries, creeping Islam, and the disappearance of the white Canadians who built the city and invited them there.

  • White American

    21 — Anonymous wrote at 5:02 AM on September 3:

    It’s tough to see Mr Cleese embattled over this; half his instincts (actually all his INSTINCTS) direct him to voice racial solidarity; but as a child of the marxist 1960s, he has been taught to behave otherwise.

    Now, in old age, his instincts come to the fore.

    I loved Python, still do; Love Cleese.

    I wish he had the will to speak his mind more clearly; if there were’nt a total price to pay (the leveling of his career and name), he would just say it all.

    But this is as good as it gets.

    At least he said this much.

    A lot of Liberal entertainers from Britain have ditched multiculturalism: Morrissey , possibly (don’t know or care) a gay singer of 1980s fame, has spoken bluntly about how he hates the loss of England.

    Good for him!

    I’m a big fan of Morrissey myself. Probably one of the greatest songwriters to come out of the 1980s. He is very outspoken with his views on the current state of England. He cites the irrelevance of the royal family in present everyday-life of the British people, his immense dislike of “British Asians” and the destruction of his childhood home and neighborhood. He often causes quite a stir with his rather blunt comments in the media.

  • Spirit Wolf

    QuestionDiversity:

    I would like to see the Olympics go into the dustbin of history. It’s not about amateurs, it’s not about “friendly competition”, it’s just a big racket (like pretty much everything has become these days.) What is the sense of all that money being spent for two weeks of mindless, idiotic, unproductive _sports_?

    Why am I still seeing ads begging me to support some kid’s “dream” of wasting his time to train for the Olympics, when I’d rather help it get an apprenticeship, so it’ll be set for life? It’s even sadder than the kids with NHL stars in their eyes.

    Cripes, when Wheaties had a ridiculous contest about “Bring a sports “hero” to your school”, I wondered, “Why couldn’t they have something like “Bring a famous scientist to your school”?

  • jack in Chicago

    True Blue wrote at 6:18 PM on September 3:

    When you make a career of following the Frankfurt School playbook; why should you be surprised that the civilization you ridiculed and demonized is in decline?

    I used to enjoy Python, like many others of us, but frankly I now find that they are as guilty of cultural genocide as anybody.

    Jack responds:

    What are talking about? John Cleese has never gone in for Frankfurt School cultural marxist politics. Show me 1 instance.

    Cleese has mostly stayed out of politics – made some minor supportive comments for Thatcher’s brand of patriotic Conservatism and Cleese admitted that this was rough on his career. Cleese has mostly stayed quiet and produced outstanding comedy – you can feel his support for our people in certain scenes like:

    “What have the Roman’s ever done for us” from the Life of Bryan.

    Cleese makes fun of 3rd world, non White anti colonialism revolutionary/terrorists who blame Europe, the 1st world for all their problems and claim that we never game these people anything in return. Check out this immortal scene which confirms that the White first world brings good roads, clean water, science, civilization.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ExWfh6sGyso

  • Anonymous

    John Cleese and his liberal buddies destroyed England through their support of multiculturalism and non-white immigration as young snot-nose marxists. When did he ever speak against the influx of alien peoples or support Enoch Powell’s concerns? Now Mr. Cleese can run away to his Swiss chalet with his latest concubine and lament the destruction of England and its heritage in which he participated along with his Monty Python buddies and the worthless Queen Elizabeth, the worst monarch in England’s history .

  • Fr. John

    Mr. Cleese is entitled to his opinion, and it would appear that conservative Englishmen agree with him on this, as do I.

    What I find most disingenuous is the ending statement:

    “He said he now prefers visiting Bath than London, claiming: ‘It feels more like the England I grew up in.’ However, he says that he won’t be returning to live in Britain permanently… Instead, he says he is considering buying a home in Switzerland or Monaco.”

    It is true. The rich can ALWAYS afford their own apartheid.

    The last time I visited England was in 2000. I stayed in Bath, one of my favorite towns, and was surprised by the number of ‘Indjuns from Indja’ present in the town.

    Then I returned to the northern railway station from Bath.

    OMG! King’s Cross was Little Dehli- I felt like an ‘extra’ in the movie Ghandi- and I also felt threatened… for I was the ONLY WHITE walking along the outside of the station to the next connection I had to make. After that experience, I vowed never to return to England again, lest I break down and cry for the death of that nation. That was eleven years ago…Clearly, things have only gotten worse. When WILL the Saxon awake, and learn to hate, as Kipling once said?

  • WR the elder

    Ken Livingstone said, “To stay competitive, London must be what New York is to the U.S., a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here.”

    New York is a city where people pay high taxes to, among other things, support a school system that outside of a few majority white districts is incapable of educating its students. Where is the high culture and innovation from New York’s burgeoning black and Hispanic population? I don’t see it. Overwhelmingly the people in finance, fashion, or advertising (NYC’s major industries) are white or Asian.

  • Reformed

    I had heard and read that John Cleese was one of the first members of the Liberal Democrat party and remains one today.

    Here is what that party has been agitating for since 1988…

    “The Liberal Democrats are a social liberal political party in the United Kingdom which supports constitutional and electoral reform,[17] progressive taxation, wealth taxation,[18] human rights laws,[19] cultural liberalism, banking reform[20] and civil liberties (the party president’s book of office is John Stuart Mill’s 1859 On Liberty).”

    Progressive taxation, wealth taxation, human rights laws and cultural liberalism. Doesn’t that just say it all?

    And here is the official Liberal Democrat position on “equality” from the official website…

    “Fighting discrimination in all its forms underpins our policies.

    Britain today is a multi-ethnic, multi-faith, diverse society. It is a richer society as a result – culturally, socially and economically. Liberal Democrats embrace and celebrate a diverse Britain.”

    They want “managed immigration” and the same sort of soft, relatively weak sham reforms to immigration. Better than Labour and its fellow traveler’s opening the door and saying “Right this way Muhammed!” but not much better.

    He was a part of creating England’s present and sad state but now he wants to cry and wring his hand about it and tuck tail and run to a white country.

    To hell with that. He shouldn’t be permitted to have his Rich and Famous White Flight to a Swiss chalet or Monte Carlo Mansion. He should be parked squarely in the most Pakistani and Black region of London and learn to like it, if he makes it through the experience alive.

  • Mike H.

    Different cultures? Really Mr.Cleese? So you’re telling me that you can tell the difference between a white polish, german, english, welsh, scottish, french, and/or scandinavian man at a glance? Somehow I highly doubt that.

    If there’s a noticeable difference on the streets, then you’re noticing it because of race, not because of culture.

    Cleese is someone who has nothing to lose from speaking out, so I have no sympathy for him if he isn’t willing to do so. He wouldn’t get any more work? He’s a millionaire. He’d lose a few friends? They clearly weren’t friends worth having in the first place. His name would be soiled? Not to anyone who matters.

  • Sandy

    I just love the ole Monty Python and Fawlty Towers humor, some of which can be a bit… dicey.

    However, Mr. Cleese made a very important point, the “Parent Culture”… Unless those immigrating to the country can accept the culture, then they should stay in their own country. I would not move to another country and try to impose my thinking on them. I visited France in the seventies, and why should I try to make them “American”, they have their own delicious flavors to savor.

    While it does enhance our existance with influences such as culinary, literature and art, we need to keep our basic constitution what it is. We should never change our laws to accommodate a different culture.

    If we allow immigrants from other countries to change parent culture, where is the real diversity?

  • Anonymous

    Amreners, be careful in whom you praise.

    Well John Cleese……

    Remember how Cleese mocked the Germans in “Fawlty Towers”, remember your whole liberal stuff you and your mates from Monty Python used to spread, even if it was subliminal.

    You mocked Jesus in Life of Brian, you mocked white nationalism in Sense of Life, you mocked White concern about immigration in “For Something Completely Different”, you mocked your whole British society. It was funny, indeed.

    But now you have your “rude awakening”?

    Cleese is full of it. He is rich enough now to leave England and move to “whiter” pastures.

  • cpascal

    The article says that Cleese is leaving California after having lived there since 1990. I can’t help wondering if one of the reasons is because California has become like Mexico during that time, just like London has stopped being English.

  • Anonymous

    I am so angry I could spit.

    He should live in London where it is most diverse. No Liberal Democrat deserves anything different.

  • Anonymous

    #45 You can actually spot different euros by sight if you learn to recognize them. You americans would not know, because you are so mixed up, but distinguishing a belorussian from an englishman or an italian is not that hard in most cases. Faces and body proportions are different.

  • John Bell in England

    #45 is more or less right. Where I live there are great numbers of eastern Europeans who have arrived in the past few years. They are collectively lumped together as “Poles” although many of them are really Lithuanians, Latvians etc. In height, build, colouring etc. they are indistinguishable from the English but the faces – the head shapes – are different; but no Englishman could tell one east European nationality from another.

    Mind you, what is an Englishman these days? We have just been treated to the sight of an “Englishman” of Somali parentage winning some athletics trophy.

  • ghw

    49 — Anonymous wrote:

    #45 You can actually spot different euros by sight if you learn to recognize them.

    You americans would not know, because you are so mixed up.

    ………………..

    Of course we can! Don’t be patronizing!

    Sometimes you can identify types; many other times you can’t. And sometimes you will be spectacularly wrong.

    In Europe, I am regularly mis-guessed for what I am not. I am often taken for Belgian (which I am not). It can be amusing. Only in Germany have they guessed exactly right.

    Btw, Europe has plenty of “mixed-up” population, a fact commented on by Gobineau a century and a half ago, who said that America has produced nothing mew that Europe has not already seen. He was right.

  • True Blue

    jack in Chicago;

    You are correct so far as you go; he never stood on a stage and spouted party-line marxist fustian, what he did do however, and did do very well was make conservative values and ‘figureheads’ into objects of ridicule. Just picture Cleese in a Major General’s uniform blithering on and you will see my point. Even in his later post-python roles he often fills the propaganda role of the arch-conservative, often with ‘humorous’ personality quirks -like being a closet transvestite. In essence he could be considered a ‘class warfare’ version of the propaganda characters Conrad Veidt portrayed during WWII (eg. Maj. Strasser in Casablanca)

    He invariably plays roles comedically demeaning toward ‘conservatives’ and conservative values -which can often be far more powerful than an outright broadside of leftist ideology. If he were 20 years younger, he would appear as a regular host on ‘the Daily Show’, or making his own ‘Colbert Report’; stuffily carrying on as he delivers a remarkably innane ‘conservative’ viewpoint that only serves to mock those of us who actually value our nation or its ‘old fashioned’ values. ‘Lord Haw-Haw’ was tried at Nurenburg for his propaganda efforts; Cleese is just funnier and more subtle.

  • AnEnglishmanAtHome

    Cleese’ observations are accurate. However I wonder whether the middle class values he defends would be those he got rich belittling during the first three decades of his career?

    Yes, John – the boring civil servants, the accountants, the unfeeling businessmen (‘bit small for a share certificate isn’t it?’), the ‘bigoted’ army recruitment officers.

    How we laughed (and how you are able to still if you can afford a place in Switzerland). I’m shocked by your hypocrisy if you want to know. You’re wringing your hands about an England you helped to create, a link you choose not to recognize.

    I’m reminded of what English dramatist Noel Coward wrote just before his death in 1973 on the new university-educated breed of satirist:

    “We are now beset by the ‘clever ones’, all the cheap frightened people who can see nothing but defeat and who have no pride, no knowledge of the past, no reverence for our lovely heritage…Perhaps, just perhaps – someone will rise up and say, ‘That isn’t good enough.’ There is still the basic English character to hold on to, But is there? I am old now..I despise the young, who see no quality in our great past and who spit, with phoney left-wing disdain, on all that we, as a race, have contributed to the living world…I say a grateful goodbye to those foolish, gallant young men who made it possible for me to be alive today to write these sentimental words.”

    Spare us your sympathy Mr Cleese. You got rich off a joke that’s no longer funny.

  • Jack in chicago

    53 — True Blue wrote at 2:34 AM on September 6:

    jack in Chicago;

    You are correct so far as you go; he never stood on a stage and spouted party-line marxist fustian, what he did do however, and did do very well was make conservative values and ‘figureheads’ into objects of ridicule.

    Jack Replies:

    John Cleese is an actor – he has to try to work in yes – Hollywood/California. You can not find any work in Hollywood/California if you are an open conservative, say anything positive about White people etc. The few exceptions are near $ billionaires who produce one or two of their own movies before they are marginalized and taken down.

    So what do you expect John Cleese to do – come out of the closet as a nationalist and embrace the British Nationalist Party? That’s career suicide.

    When you saw Andy Griffith and Ron Howard – Sheriff Andy Taylor and his cute son Oppie from the beloved Andy Griffith show doing commercials for Obama – this must be understood as actor slaves looking to please the slave owners and hoping to get more work, food etc.

    Occasionally some popular actor in his old age gives up on getting any more work and speaks his true feelings. The very bright comedy host of the Tonight Show Steve Allen did this in his last years decrying vulgar American TV shows and movies.

    The moral for our side is to stop looking for leaders from Hollywood, same as we should not choose our Presidents/leaders from Harvard and Yale (Jared Taylor is an exception).

  • Anonymous

    55 — Jack in chicago wrote:

    Jack Replies:

    “John Cleese is an actor – he has to try to work in yes – Hollywood/California. You can not find any work in Hollywood/California if you are an open conservative, say anything positive about White people etc.

    So what do you expect John Cleese to do – come out of the closet as a nationalist and embrace the British Nationalist Party?” That’s career suicide.

    *************

    John Cleese is 71 years old, a millionaire, and retiring to Switzerland. He is no longer living in Hollywood and does not have to worry about his career or finding work at this stage.

    He can well afford to speak out.

  • Seek

    Jack:

    News flash: Little Opie/Ron Howard for three decades has been one of the most successful directors in all of Hollywood: “Nightshift,” “Splash,” “Cocoon,” “Parenthood,” “Backdraft” “Apollo 13,” “Ransom,” “Ed TV,” “The Grinch,” “A Beautiful Mind,” “The Missing,” “Cinderella Man,” “Frost/Nixon” — not a “Marxist” film in there anywhere.

  • True Blue

    Jack;

    It was his career By Choice. He chose that path, and he chose his roles. He co-wrote Python scripts. I too, could choose to disparage our common culture for cash and prizes, but I prefer to live honorably with myself. I have written and submitted (in the past) science fiction; guess what? My rejection letters were not for grammar, or storyline/development, I was rejected for “…not conforming to our publication’s vision…” I could have done a re-write and conformed to their (PC) ideals, and I would have been able to give up pounding nails for a living -something I badly wanted to do- but I would have become nothing more than a mouthpiece for Their ideals and not my own.

    The Roman soldiers who nailed people to trees were just doing their job, the Gestapo was just doing its job, Cleese was just doing his job…the jobs they all chose to apply for and perform. He could have become a coal miner or an accountant or an engineer -he did attend and graduate from Oxford- but instead he chose to use his talents to try to destroy the ‘old order’ that he clearly despised -and now he sheds crocodile tears at the result of his own efforts. Don’t get me wrong; “A moose once bit my sister” still cracks me up; but my enjoyment is tempered by the reality of what a sick, twisted world their humor helped to usher in. He threw a brick through a stained glass window, and now weeps that it has been replaced with plain glass protected behind iron bars.

  • Anonymous

    anon 56: John Cleese might be critical of what is going on in the UK, but he is still a die-hard liberal. He will NEVER endorse the BNP or even the Tories. You should hear his anti-conservative rants on youtube. He probably thinks that the rioters need “hugs” and understanding.

  • rjf101

    ‘I mean, I love having different cultures around. But when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you’re left thinking, “Well, what’s going on?”’

    This is how I feel exactly. I have a lot of minority friends and even relatives (not blood relatives), and of course I love and appreciate them as much as my white friends and relatives. BUT, when I see my own people, who founded this country, dissapating in every area of the nation, it makes me feel sick.

  • rjf101

    ‘I mean, I love having different cultures around. But when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you’re left thinking, “Well, what’s going on?”’

    This is how I feel exactly. I have a lot of minority friends and even relatives (not blood relatives), and of course I love and appreciate them as much as my white friends and relatives. BUT, when I see my own people, who founded this country, dissapating in every area of the nation, it makes me feel sick.

    “And former mayor Ken Livingstone—currently standing for the post again—said: ‘To stay competitive, London must be what New York is to the U.S., a global centre of business, culture and innovation, none of which can be achieved without people of all nations working and living here.’”

    The immigrants do nothing for New York’s position as a “centre if business, culture, and innovation.” If you look at a Fortune 500 headquarters, the strong majority of executives and management-level employees are American-born white or black. Immigrants only serve as low-level, usually unskilled workers.

  • Anonymous

    60 — rjf101 wrote at 11:05 PM on September 6:

    ‘I mean, I love having different cultures around. But when the parent culture kind of dissipates, you’re left thinking, “Well, what’s going on?”’

    This is how I feel exactly. I have a lot of minority friends and even relatives (not blood relatives), and of course I love and appreciate them as much as my white friends and relatives. BUT, when I see my own people, who founded this country, dissapating in every area of the nation, it makes me feel sick.

    ———————————————————

    You are contradicting yourself.

    How can you have nonwhite friends and relatives that you LOVE and appreciate as much as you do your White family and friends? How does that work in your brain?

    You cannot say both, that you LOVE them (minorities)and then are SICK when you see Whites disappearing from our own land. What do you EXPECT?

  • Stiv

    I never had a problem with the few sketches

  • Stiv

    I had no problem with the few sketches I’ve seen with John Cleese. He was only ridiculing pomposity and at the time he only had white authority figures to draw on for the act.

    I think the comments he made were to the point and very honest for someone who is only an actor. He never had to say a word, after all, and he could have gone the rest of his life without making a peep of criticism.