The Face of Islam

Thomas Jackson, American Renaissance, January 9, 2015

Intolerance and aggression are inherent in Islam.

Bill Warner, Mohammed and the Unbelievers, CSPI Publishing, 2006, 172 pp., $17.95 (softcover).

In his book, The 100, Michael H. Hart profiles the 100 people he thinks had the greatest impact on world history. He ranks the prophet Mohammed number one.

Mohammed and the Unbelievers is very critical both of Mohammed and of Islam, but its author, Bill Warner, would probably agree with Prof. Hart. It is hard to think of anyone who, single-handedly, so dramatically changed the lives of so many people. Dr. Warner believes that it is essential for non-Muslims to understand Islam, and Mohammed and the Unbelievers is the first of a series of books he has written to explain the religion’s true nature to Westerners.

Because Mohammed lived in an obscure corner of the world, we have only Arab accounts of his life, and the only sources of information are the three holy books of Islam. The best known is the Koran, of course, but there are two other sacred texts that, together, contain six times as much material as the Koran: the Sira, which is a set of biographies of Mohammed, and the Hadith, which is a compilation of the prophet’s works and teachings. For all we know, these books could be fairy tales, but that doesn’t matter; what is important is that Muslims believe them.

All three books are hard going. They are filled with genealogies, poetry, and other fluff that do not tell us much about Mohammed or Islam. Dr. Warner has boiled this mass down to its essentials to give us a concise, readable life of the prophet and the founding of Islam.

From Mecca to Medina

Mohammed was born in approximately 570 AD in Mecca, which was one of the wealthiest cities in Arabia. At that time, Arabs were polytheists, and one of their principal gods, a moon god, was already called Allah. Mohammed’s father’s name was Abdullah, which means “slave of Allah,” and it was common to pray to Allah. The people of Mecca already revered the Kabah–the square black structure in Mecca–which they believed had been built by Abraham.

Mohammed was a trader who had married a wealthy widow, and he lived an ordinary life until middle age. Suddenly, at about age 40, he began to have visions, and wrote the Koran–which means “recitation”–under instruction from the angel Gabriel. Part of the Koran is a retelling of Old Testament stories, and Mohammed clearly got this information from the small population of Jews and Christians who lived in Mecca.

For three years, Mohammed revealed his new teachings only to a few intimates and to his wife, who became his first convert. Mohammed’s principle new idea was monotheism, but he was not the first Arab to promote it. A Meccan named Zayd had preached monotheism, and Mohammed recognized him as a precursor.

Mecca was religiously tolerant, and no one cared if Mohammed wanted to be a monotheist, but when he began to speak openly he made a pest of himself by insisting that everyone else was wrong. Skeptics asked Mohammed to prove his powers by performing miracles, but Mohammed refused, claiming that he was only Allah’s messenger not Allah himself. Meccans repeatedly proposed that people should be left alone to practice whatever religion they liked, but Mohammed indignantly refused, insisting that anyone who didn’t follow his teaching would burn in hell. There was constant trouble between his followers and everyone else.

Mohammed had more success on a visit to Medina, which was a ten-day trek to the north. The town was about half Jewish, and the Jews and Arabs did not get along. The Jews kept predicting that a prophet would come and deliver them, and when Mohammed showed up claiming to be a prophet, some of the Arabs decided to get a jump on the Jews by adopting the prophet first, and became Muslims. There were plenty of non-Muslim Arabs still in town, however, so Medina ended up with the same kind of strife as Mecca.

When the Meccans learned that Mohammed had allies in Medina they were afraid of his growing power and decided to kill him, but Mohammed learned of the plot and ran away with his disciples to live in Medina. This was in 622 AD, and the flight to Medina, known as the hegira, is year one on the Muslim calendar.

In Medina, Mohammed worked out many of the details of Islam. His followers built the first mosque, with attached living quarters for the prophet. He established the muezzin’s call to prayer as a way to distinguish Muslims from Jews, who blew the shofar to announce prayers, and Christians who rang a bell.

He also developed the theory that the Jews had been Allah’s chosen people, and that the Torah had originally predicted his coming. However, the Jews deliberately changed the text to keep Mohammed out of the Torah, and thus turned their back on Allah and lost their special status. The Koran was therefore the true version of the Hebrew scriptures, and Mohammed claimed that he was “closer to Moses than they [Jews] are.” In Mecca, Muslims had faced Jerusalem when they prayed; after Mohammed rejected the Jews, Muslims faced Mecca. Mohammed also recognized Jesus as a prophet of Allah but said he could not have been Allah’s son. Moreover, Jesus was not crucified but taken up directly into heaven while a double died on the cross.

After two years in Medina, during which the number of Mohammed’s followers grew from about 150 to 300, the prophet got orders from Allah to make holy war, or jihad, on the Meccans. The Muslims went on a few desert raids but either never found anyone or did little damage. The first serious fight with the Meccans–the Battle of Badr–took place in 624. The Muslims are said to have been outnumbered three to one, but Allah sent angels to join the fight, and Mohammed routed the Meccans. Dr. Warner calls this one of the most important battles in the history of the world, because it immediately established Mohammed as a political as well as religious figure.

The prophet quickly worked out the rules of jihad. He got one fifth of the plunder, and his soldiers shared the rest. Anyone who died fighting the unbelievers–known as Kafirs–went straight into the arms of houris: specially trained nymphomaniac virgins.

Strangely, the next major fight with the Meccans–the Battle of Uhud–was a defeat; even Mohammed was bloodied in the face and had to leave the field. Where were the angels? The Koran spends 60 verses looking into what went wrong, and explains that this was a test of the courage and commitment of Mohammed and his followers.

In 630, after another series of victories, Mohammed invaded Mecca with an army said to have numbered 10,000 men. By then, he was considered invincible, and he met little resistance. From Mecca, he spread Islam by the sword–Kafirs had the choice of conversion or slaughter–and by the time he died in 632, all of Arabia was Muslim.

Preacher and warrior

As Dr. Warner explains, Mohammed’s life had three distinct stages. For about 40 years he was a trader. For the next 14 years, he was a preacher, but attracted only about 300 followers. He became wildly successful only during the last nine years of his life, when he started spreading Islam by violence.

Dr. Warner calculates that during that last period, on average, Mohammed’s men were in a battle or on a raid every seven weeks, and that does not include the many assassinations and executions carried out under his orders. It was Mohammed the warrior, not the preacher, who changed the course of history.

The violent struggle to convert Kafirs–jihad–is what gives the Koran its character. Dr. Warner points out that the religious tenets of Islam are not very complicated and do not take up many pages. It is Mohammed’s endless battles with the infidels and his rules for dealing with them that are the heart of the Koran. In this sense, the Koran is more about politics than religion.

For centuries, Islam was in a constant state of war with Kafirs, who were to be converted or destroyed. Jews and Christians–the “people of the book”–had a special status because they believe in Allah, even though their understanding is corrupt and contemptible. They could be tolerated in an Islamic society if they accepted inferior status as dhimmis, which means paying a heavy tax and following humiliating rules. For example, they could not own weapons or ride horses or camels, and when they rode donkeys they had to ride side saddle. They always gave precedence to Muslims, and in a dispute their word counted for nothing against that of a Muslim. Dhimmis could still be enslaved or deported more or less at the whim of the authorities. Sometimes, Kafirs who were not “people of the book” were granted dhimmi status, but were treated even more harshly.

Jews

There were many Jews in Medina, so Mohammed had much more contact with them than with Christians. There were three tribes of Jews in the city, and Mohammed made war on all of them. He drove out the first two with only the clothes on their backs, and stole their possessions. The third tribe had a fort, which held out against a Muslim siege for 25 days. When the Jews surrendered, the Muslims abducted the children, took the women as sex slaves, and slaughtered the men. Mohammed is said to have watched with approval, his favorite wife by his side, as 600 to 800 Jews were executed.

Some of the Jews Mohammed chased out of Medina went to a town called Khaybar, northeast of Medina, where they became the first dhimmis. They were allowed to stay, and were not forced to convert, but they had to turn over half their crops every year. On his deathbed, Mohammed ordered that all Jews and Christians be expelled from Arabia, so the dhimmi status of the Jews of Khaybar was revoked and they were driven out.

There are a number of stories in the Muslim holy books about individual Jews. One Jew in Medina criticized Mohammed before he was powerful enough to run Jews out of town. This man could not be touched because he lived in a well-guarded, fortified house. Some of Mohammed’s pals then claimed to be disenchanted with Islam, and approached the Jew for a loan. They offered to put up weapons as collateral, but this was only an excuse for four or five Muslims to enter his house with arms. They killed him and stole his property. Mohammed’s followers assassinated several other Jews through similar trickery.

Jews were not, however, the only people Muslims treated harshly. One of Mohammed’s lieutenants, Khalid, besieged a town of Kafir Arabs who eventually surrendered, on the promise that the men would be spared. Khalid massacred them anyway.

Sex

Mohammed was a sex fiend, who had at least 10 wives and countless sex slaves. He married his favorite wife, Aisha, when she was six, and had intercourse with her when she was nine. He let her bring her dolls into the harem, which was a great concession, since he was against images of any kind. Another of his wives, Zaynab, was originally married to Mohammed’s adopted son, but he caught sight of her in her underwear, and made his son divorce her so he could have her. It was about this time that Mohammed started making women wear veils, since he didn’t want other men getting a good look at his wives.

One of Mohammed’s wives was a beautiful Jewess named Safiyya. She had been captured in war after her husband was tortured and killed, and one of the Muslim soldiers made off with her. When Mohammed heard how beautiful she was, he took her from the soldier and told him to find someone else. Since Safiyya was a captive infidel, Mohammed could have simply kept her as a sex slave, but she converted to Islam and he married her, thus giving her the same title–“Mother of Believers”–as his other wives. After he died, Safiyya became a woman of considerable influence, though other wives were suspicious of her because of her Jewish origins.

Yet another wife famous for her beauty was a Coptic Christian. The other wives were jealous of her fair skin and curly hair.

Besides wives, Mohammed took countless sex slaves from among the women captured from the Kafirs, and he established rules for how to treat captive women. The Koran says they may be raped in front of their husbands, but only if they are not pregnant. Pregnant women must be allowed to give birth before they are raped. Mohammed ordered that all captured men be put to death, but children were to be distributed as slaves and reared as Muslims. Mohammed also forbade mutilation of the dead.

Barbarous as his practices sound today, Mohammed was no different from many other conquerors. In the Old Testament, the Children of Israel sometimes killed every man, woman, child, and animal in the cities they conquered. The Mongols, the Huns, and plenty of Europeans had no compunction about mass murder, either.

What sets Mohammad apart is that he was a ruthless conqueror who also started a religion. People who start great religions don’t usually have hands dripping with blood. Abraham, Jesus, Gautama Buddha, Zoroaster, and the Hindu saints could hardly be more different from Mohammed.

Islam today

As Dr. Warner points out, there are plenty of Muslims who still believe and act as Mohammed did. The people fighting for the Islamic State undoubtedly see themselves following in the footsteps of the prophet, observing the Koran to the letter. When its commanders recently handed out rules on sex slaves, they were just following Islamic scripture.

After Boko Haram kidnapped hundreds of girls in northern Nigeria last year, its leader Abubakar Shekau made a video in which he explained that he was selling the girls he wasn’t keeping as slaves for his own men. Like the Islamic State, Boko Haram was following Koranic doctrine.

Islam has no separation of church and state; the caliph is the both religious and civil leader, just as Mohammed was. Islam–which means “submission”–can therefore govern every aspect of one’s life, and it appeals to people who want to devote themselves to a greater cause. It may be more attractive than ever in today’s era of abundance, in which so many people find no goals in life beyond the satisfaction of personal desires. Its aggressive masculinity also appeals to men who do not like societies that promote equality of the sexes.

Whatever the reasons, the only religion that still asks its followers to die for it finds no shortage of martyrs. Various jihadist movements have attracted thousands of Muslims from all over the world. There may be as many as 700 French citizens, for example, now fighting in holy wars. The Islamic State gets the most volunteers these days, no doubt because of its bloodthirsty, back-to-the-Koran authenticity. It beheads its enemies–just as Mohammed did–and videos of these executions are its most effective recruitment tools.

It is certainly true that most Muslims do not make war on the infidel. However, of all the major religions, only Islam is famous for conversion by the sword, and it did so for centuries, across great parts of the world. There are passages in the Koran that forbid aggressive war or conversion by force–and Muslim apologists make much of them–but there are plenty of passages, such as Sura 9, Verse 5, that command death for unbelievers:

[S]lay the idolaters wherever ye find them, and take them captive, and besiege them, and prepare for them each ambush. But if they repent and establish worship and pay the poor-due, then leave their way free. Lo! Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

There is a story from Islamic scripture that even today captures Islam’s nature and its unique appeal. At one point, Mohammed told his followers in Medina, “Kill any Jew that falls into your power.” Muhayyisa, a good Muslim, then promptly killed his long-time Jewish business partner. Muhayyisa’s brother, who was not a Muslim, started beating him for this act of treachery, but Muhayyisa explained that Mohammed had ordered the killing. The brother asked if Muhayyisa would kill his own brother if the prophet told him to, and Muhayyisa said yes, he would. “By Allah, any religion that brings you to this is marvelous,” said the brother, and immediately converted.

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Thomas Jackson lives in Virginia and has been writing for American Renaissance for more than 15 years.
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  • Rhialto

    I don’t dispute the statements in the article, but I think that there is an overarching consideration: The Western nations are collapsing, morally if not materially, and Islamic groups are taking advantage of it. Islam provides a convenient and effective organization for this attack.The Islamic religion also encourages sacrifice and the use of force. Note that during the Crusades, the Roman Catholic church provided similar organization and encouragement.

    The actions of the Muslims are normal; the lack of resistance of Western men is hideously abnormal.

    • Anna Tree

      Yes, the problem is not only their strength but our weaknesses like pathological altruism, feminism, gender theory, greed, naivety, projection, wishful thinking.

      • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

        Exactly. They did not mess with the White Christian world when we were proud racial realists who were known for waging brutal warfare against our enemies. If they faced a White Christian United front unafraid to act in swift and decisive self defense, the White Christian world would not be dealing with terrorism issues. We should left Afghanistan a wasteland with a population of zero in September 2001. Not a blade of grass or field mouse remaining. If this was not enough, a couple of other nukes on key Islamic strongholds would have brought the Islamists to their knees. With an Arabophilic Liberal Republican in the White House, though, we we treated to a classic Leftist response. We were told that a bunch of Mulatto jijadists in Iraq love freedom, and our men were sent to die to hand aforesaid Mulatto jihadist scum undeserved and unearned freedom on a silver platter.

        • jaye ellis

          Or worse. Conservative hero Ronald Reagan wasted the 1980s fighting our White kinsmen the Russians in Afghanistan, sending advanced US Stinger Missiles to these Jihadist barbarians.

          Go rent the Rambo movie where US patriot John Rambo joins the Afghan Jihadist freedom fighters fighting…

          Yep, the Russians!

          Man are most White American Conservatives stupid!

          • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

            I remember well, Jaye, believe me!! I was a teen/college dude in that era. Reagan was no George Corley Wallace. The arms for hostages thing was a lethal error. A class B actor who was most comfortable on a horse did not belong in the White House. In my idealistic revisionist dream version of history, George Corley Wallace would have been completing his second term in office in November 1976, with a like minded and appropriate successor ready to win the election and accept the reigns from Wallace in January 1977. Instead, we had a good hearted but naive peanut farmer ready to take the reigns from a brain dead oaf from Michigan.

          • jaye ellis

            Reagan was just old and out of it, particularly in his second term. This is huge problem with old American Conservatives. Their world view is generally 50 years out of date – yeah Communism and Bolshevism were really bad in the 1920s and 1930s, but by the 1980s, good White Russians were solidly back in power and the Soviet Union, Russia was a good White place. When Russians were fighting these nasty, dark, hairy, raping Jihadist Muslims, I just took the White Russian side. How complicated is that? American Jews take the Jewish Israeli side. No Jewish people in American advocate for war against Jewish people in Israel, why the **** do White Americans, particularly supposedly patriotic, Conservative White Americans advocate for war, slaughter of our kinsmen the Russians? Serbs? Germans? Why is God’s name would we support, arm the nastiest brown/Arab/Turk Muslim terrorist? Our people are really stupid, seem to have racial, ethnic common sense. I’ve never met a White person from Eastern Europe who was an idiot about race, Muslims – WT* is wrong with our people?

          • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

            Exactly. The old generations of Poles, Slovaks, Serbs, and Croatians were especially strong race realists. They had no use for brain dead, sociopath Negroes trying to form Africa in our Midst. George Corley Wallace had his largest numbers of votes in the North on Milwaukee’s South Side, from Polish and Serbian Americans. They saw what Negroes were doing to the formerly German North side of their city, and refused to allow their neighborhood to fall victim to such a fate.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            I went to a polish event at church and I saw a lot of polish families. I was shocked to see a beautiful polish american girl with a black pickanninie next to her. I am assuming that is her daughter from bedding down with a black. Not the child’s fault, but the mother should have had more sense to not betray her race by bedding down with a black. Her family looked very nice and wealthy. Sad that their beautiful daughter turned out to be a bad apple.

          • Upvote.

            But…

            The Soviet Russians of the 1970s and 1980s did not have totally clean hands in that regard. They backed black revolutionaries in South Africa and other parts of Africa to spite white governments, and they mucked around with Indio revolutionary movements in Central America to spite us.

          • Ellis Kurtz

            ..and installed missiles in Cuba pointed at us. And likewise in Eastern Europe, pointed at the Western capitals. And massacred millions of their own (white) people. And persecuted many of those they did not kill. And denied self-rule to the (white) Eastern European countries they dominated, using tanks if necessary. And feted US communists like Paul Robson.

          • jaye ellis

            nah. That was in the bad old Bolshevik, Yid Communist days. White ethnic Russians got their country back no later than 1960. After that it was classic White Slavic Russian – good culture, great sports, no Blacks Yids causing problems.

          • Charles Martel

            Developing your ideas about geopolitics based on a Sylvester Stallone movie? Really??

        • jaye ellis

          No. Brown – urine colored Muslims have ALWAYS messed with proud White Christian world.

          Ever hear about the sack of Constantinople?

          Ever read about the 700 year Muslim Moor’s occupation of Spain?

          Ever read?

          Maybe you were too busy worshipping tattooed Black SEC football players who can and will go for Islam to get our women.

          • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

            I don’t watch football. Never have, never will. If Whites had taken the racial realist approach beginning about 50 years ago, with borders to White nations closed to all but fellow Whites, we would not have the ridiculous problems with non-Whites that we presently have. France has permitted Algiers in their midst and Kabul in their midst to be built in their land. Politicians with Leftist, diversity cult ideations have permitted this. When you permit Moroccans and Algerians to settle en masse in your midst, logic dictates that they will perpetuate the cultures they came from. Mulatto Islamism hell pits where men named Abdul and Mohammed channel White girls into sex trafficking rings, and gang rape and polygamy are rampant. Western Europe should have exactly zero Islamists living in their midst, and could have made this the case with the proper leadership. Borders closed to all but fellow Whites.

          • Garrett Brown

            Ever read about who let the Muslims into Constantinople?

          • jaye ellis

            We’ve written extensively about this at Occidental Dissent.

            Yes, certain members of the tribe work to flood what remains of the White West with hordes of murderous, raping Muslims.

            The Tribe got kicked out of Spain in 1492 in large part for taking the Muslim Moor side against White Spanish Catholics.

            Certain groups of the Tribe have always demanded mass immigration in to the USA, the West (read that cursed poem put on our Statue of Liberty – Give us your huddled masses). At the same time most of the Tribe demands that Israel be a Jewish ethno state.

            Israel had problems with third world immigration, so the government of Israel built a very effective border wall.

            Can we do the same on our Southern Border? Can White countries like France and Australia do the same?

            powerful members of the tribe say “No” – that would be RACIST, NAZI, even if we are talking about keeping out the worst Islamic terrorists from Yemen and Syria.

            But, it isn’t just the Tribe doing this.

            Corrupt White Gentile business leaders like Tyson Foods CEO Donnie Smith demand low wage neo slave labor – that’s why Tyson Foods has flooded middle Tennessee with Somalian Bantu Muslim workers.

            The idiot patriot cowboy here in AZ Cliven Burdy is just as bad.

            We can’t blame the tribe for all our terrible immigration problems. There are simply way too many traitors from our people who have mostly gotten away with their treason.

            See Lindsey Graham, John McCain, the Kennedy Family, the Bush Family, Ron and Rand Paul etc.

          • Garrett Brown

            Not all but most.

            Fantastic post.

          • mike j

            Excellent, but depressing. Somalis in Middle Tennessee? Good God!

          • KyraNelson

            And my people didn’t cause you all to stop having children. You all did that all by yourselves.

          • Greg Thomas

            Who wants to bring White children into a country filled with “your people?”

          • KyraNelson

            You can try to insult me all you want. But it still doesn’t change the facts on the ground for you. It’s beyond juvenile that you would just roll over and give up your sandbox just because someone you don’t like is playing in it. You’d rather whine and complain and blame others when you haven’t taken the most basic steps to ensure your own survival and prosperity. Which is to procreate. Now how hard is that?

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            i am guessing the Je(w)s???

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Can never understand how white women can go after ugly black men, when most white men are a lot better looking, cleaner, do not smell bad and more financially stable.

          • anton drexler

            Women will open their legs for whomever they perceive as the strongest. The story of the Jewess who became Mohammed’s whore and a full muzzie after her husband was tortured to death tells you a great deal about female psychology. Where there is only weakness there can be no honor.

          • Garrett Brown

            Cultural Marxist programming.

    • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

      I couldn’t agree more. The abnormal lack of desire to defend our race and culture against this alien culture created by an alien sub-race is the problem on our end. When Japan messed with the West, Harry Truman recognized that the driving force behind Japanese hatred of the West was a jealousy of the cultures and accomplishments created by White Europeans. The only way to stop these raving Oriental lunatics was to use atom bombs on them. In the aftermath of 9/11, had the West still had the strong sense of identity we had in 1945, our leaders would have recognized that 9/11 was an act of genocide against the White Christian world, and nuked Afghanistan off of the map. All Western leaders would have stood shoulder to shoulder afterwards with a unified message for Islamic world: Mess with us again, and you will be vaporized. The West could ethnically cleanse the Afro-Arabic Islamists from the map in a few moments if our leaders chose to do so. I say Afro-Arabic, as this is the racial make-up of the Islamists. Generations of miscegenation with harems of Negresses has resulted in a bunch of Mulattoes. The homicidal maniacs who committed mass murder in France have clearly Negroid facial features.

      • Chasmania

        I don’t think Afghanistan would have been a good first strike target. Instead the post 9/11 target should have been Mecca during the Hajj.

        If they had done that, and then warned that any further troubles would have major musloid population centers being visited by a large number of airburst nukes, sufficient to eradicate the population, then we would be living in a MUCH more quiet world, one not experiencing the troubles of rambunctious Jihadis. out plying their trade.

        • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

          Excellent point. I agree. We should have vaporized Mecca first, maybe even vaporized Mecca along with Tehran, with admonitions that any further Islamic aggression would be answered with vaporizing more cities. The Islamic world would still be wiping the poopie out of their shorts!! Backward lands with 50% literacy rates do not successfully bully the West anymore than a mouse successfully bullies a cat. Our Leftist delusional leaders are more concerned about being accused of bigotry than about the lives of their countrymen.

          • pcmustgo

            Yeah, but Iran has nuclear bombs now… as does Pakistan. This is a nightmare. Also, I’m just waiting til’ one of those f-ing Muslims targets a nuclear power plant. THEY LITERALLY FLEW OVER AND PAST WESTCHESTER COUNTY’S INDIAN POINT NUCLEAR POWER PLANT during 911. They could have crashed into that and completely radiated all of NYC that way. It’s 1 hour north of NYC.

        • jaye ellis

          Nah, should have just broken off diplomatic relations with Saudi Arabia and many other Muslim nations, end all tourist and student visas to Muslims like the insane student visas issued to Mohamed Ata to attend flight school in Florida.

          With too many White Amurikuns it’s either do nothing or shout wild, insane fantasies about Nuking Mecca during the Hajj.

          • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

            If we had nuked Mecca, Kabul, and Tehran, all at the same moment and with zero warning, the Mulatto, Afro-Arabic Islamist sociopaths would still be scared crapless of us. Add to this an unwavering admonition to the Islamists that so much as a threat of violence against the West will be met with further nukes, and acting swiftly on that admonition, and they would be too busy crapping their camel skin undies to poke the Grizzly Bear that is the West. That we allow a bunch of illiterate, homicidal harem keeping pedophiliacs to terrorize us is beyond pitiful.

          • Chasmania

            A lone act of nuclear attack on Mecca is a wild eyed fantasy but reversing 50+ years of progressivism view towards muslim immigration and our National FR policy towards the Saudis and other muslim and middle eastern nations isn’t ?

            Who’s the wild fantasizer again ?

          • pcmustgo

            But we’re dependent on them for oil. WHAT IF OPEC THEN TURNS AROUND AND WON’T GIVE US OIL? We are at their mercy because of this!

          • dmxinc

            Not anymore.

      • pcmustgo

        Those ones do yes, but that’s cause they are from North Africa… I don’t think Osama Bin Laden looked Negro.

      • pcmustgo

        and the elite in the Middle East seems very white. I was SHOCKED at how white looking one PLA (Palestine Liberation Army or something) leader was… or maybe he was a Hamas leader, forgot. Arrafat’s wife was very white looking and Syria’s Assad is also very white looking (and handsome, I might add).

    • jaye ellis

      Rhialto writes:

      “The Western nations are collapsing, morally if not materially”

      I respond:

      Didn’t you read this excellent article? This Islamic cult has always been sexually degenerate – the founder of this cult was a pedophile child rapist pervert! Are the Pakistani child rapists gangs in Yorkshire England more moral than us?

      Why in God’s name we have so many cowards, traitors and fools lurking around great pro Western blogs like Amren?

      How about getting a sex change operation mate? Grow a set of *****

      • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

        Mohammed was a sadistic sociopath. He was a perverted pedophiliac who kept harems of little girls as his sex slaves. In Dixie, before integration was forced on the Southern people by naive Yankees still trying to fight the War of Northern Aggression, Mohammed would have been visited by the Klan, and been treated to an appropriate fate. Men like the late Nathan Bedford Forrest did not tolerate idiots like Mohammed.

      • pcmustgo

        A gangbanger/porno “religion”

    • Nancy

      Part of Christianity’s current problem is that it does nothing to dispel the myths of moral equivalency between the Crusades and the violence Muslims have embraced from the 7th century til today. Far from being an unprovoked act of aggression by Europe against Islam, it was a delayed response to centuries of Muslims’ aggression, which had gotten worse and worse from the 7th-11th centuries.

      Apologists for Islam like to blame Christians for disrupting “five centuries of peaceful coexistence” by calling the first Crusade, when in reality Muslims had captured what amounted to two-thirds of Christian lands, and raped, slaughtered, even cricified those who fought back or wouldn’t pay the “unbeliever” tax and live as a second-class citizen in their own lands. If they were spared death, they still had no religious or personal freedoms once Muslims took over.

      The Crusade was called to take BACK Jerusalem, after some lands (Cyprus, Crete, etc.) had already been successfully taken back by Christians earlier. But to a Muslim, any land which ever belonged to Islam, even if it was stolen and occupied by Muslims for a time, will ALWAYS belong to Islam (they’re like small selfish children who believe once they’ve so much as TOUCHED a certain toy, it will always be THEIRS).

      So the Crusades were a long-awaited response to combat the bloody, violent spread of Islam, the subjugation or murder of Christian citizens, the theft of their lands, and the burning of their churches. But the Crusades are always propped-up by folks who try to claim the two religions are similarly violent, when nothing could be further from the truth.

      • Rhialto

        Your background history is true. But it does not invalidate what I wrote.

        Religions are different; normal men are the same. Normal men defend their territory, and if the opportunity arises, grab some of their neighbors’.

        • Nancy

          No, I’m sorry…I didn’t mean to suggest your post was invalid.

          No group or religion has a monopoly on violence, certainly. It just sucks that people who want to justify their Godless life point to THE CRUSADES (gasp) as justification for that “all religions are the same” excuse, when that’s absolutely not the case, especially when comparing Islam and Christianity.

          • FinnShane

            I’ve always found the Crusades to be inspirational…bands of European men from all nations, united in conviction and faith focused into the point of a sword. The same type of determination that led to their kin walking on the Moon centuries later. We need men with the iron will and resolve of the Templars and Hospitallers again, focused on the spiritual and physical but tempered with discipline and resolve. The time for us to be such men is now, or at least to strengthen ourselves to be as close to the ideal as we can.

          • Garrett Brown

            One of my most favorite events to read about.

          • Sick of it

            They also say stupid things like millions of blacks were murdered by lynch mobs…when the total was around 3,000 or so. And many of them were known to have committed some crime or another.

    • jstanley01

      The West’s weaknesses are political and cultural, not military. On the military front, one must note that since the 9-11-2001 attack, it has been western armies invading and subjugating Muslim countries, not visa versa. Indeed, the West’s military hegemony is so profound that it is taken for granted when it shouldn’t be.

      The West’s major weaknesses are on the cultural and political fronts, well represented by Europe’s non-replacement birth rate among its natives. Which has forced the region’s nanny states, in order to survive demographically, to import unassimilable Muslims who are attacking the pillars of Western society from within.

  • B.A_2014

    I have never had any gripe against Islam as a religion. My reasons for opposing it are racial and its anti intellectualism. The genital mutilation is repulsive to all non semites.

    • Zimriel

      No, the religion truly is awful. If a white prophet were preaching this stuff (Joseph Smith came close), I would want him shut down too.

      Because ultimately a people isn’t just a race; it’s also a culture, and Islamic culture as we’re seeing in Raqqa is a blight.

      And you’re also assuming that white Muslims won’t hurt you. An assumption Bostonians and the parents at Beslan once held to their great cost.

      • B.A_2014

        I never assumed that. Women in Islam are obedient and do not sterilize themselves to the point of racial extinction. It is a religion that emphasises masculinity, gender roles, self sacrifice, self control and is at its heart anti liberal.

        They may be our enemies but that is not to say that our current ruling ideology is correct and racially beneficial, which it is not.

        • Nonhumans

          Yes, but the fundamental threat posed by Islam is that it is inherently intolerant of anyone who is not fully invested in it, and it is a deeply flawed “religion”. Of equal concern is that the libtards, who are equal parts Stoopid, ignorant, and zealous, defend islam blindly.
          .
          Personally, I’m an agnostic, but I have done my homework on multitudes of religions. Islam is not, by any interpretation, a religion of peace, and has no place in any advanced civilization.

          • B.A_2014

            I myself am an agnostic and part time atheist. I don’t believe in the idea of peace, at least from a Christian/pacifist stand point. The world is a struggle of people’s and ideas. Either you live and conquer, or you yield and die.

          • “The world is a struggle of people’s and ideas. Either you live and conquer, or you yield and die.”
            I don’t go along fully with what you said. But it is an idea to be kept in mind, definitely, unfortunately.

            Probably a very rational and very savvy and cautious approach to try and get people not to fight against each other is best. This is not however what is going on with the politically correct, who I believe are insane and suicidal and are taking us all with them.

          • MikeofAges

            Your take, then, sounds like the adage “Good fences make good neighbors.” But the boundaries have to be maintained, and when you are faced with someone intent on violating your boundaries, you have to respond. Either that, or lose part of what make you, you. Eventually, all of what makes you, you.

          • anony

            You make an excellent point that is lost on many moderns, and which I think is a large factor in the success of Islam, and that is that the war is the natural state of Man; on occasion, peace breaks out, but war is the norm.

            Islam recognizes this truth so it offers its men war, the spoils of war, and sex slaves. The poor people of the world, therefore, rush to such an offer.

          • pcmustgo

            Western Civilization is superior to Islam. We can work on questioning and challenging feminism and it’s fall out in time.

          • pcmustgo

            Let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water. We can keep free expression, art, literature, music, etc, and tone down the feminism and all that.

        • Reynardine

          So does Hinduism, but without all the insane jihadi stuff.

          Moreover, Islam does not emphasize self-control. Jihadi fighters regularly bolster their lusts with slave women, and indulge in wanton behavior before suicide missions.

          • jaye ellis

            Agreed. Mohamed Ata and his murderous crew got drunk at a strip bar before doing their horrible deeds.

          • That was part of their “blending in” strategy. Act like the natives so as not to arouse suspicion. Part and parcel of the whole taqqiya thing.

          • Charles Martel

            That was their story & they’re stickin’ to it!

        • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

          It is also a religion which places no prohibitions on miscegenation. There is no loyalty to race with the Islamists. Loyalty to the religion is most important for them.

        • saxonsun

          Wow, you are one scary person…but also laughable.

        • jaye ellis

          our choice isn’t between the worst feminist, liberal Leftists, homosexual extremism and “Submission” to Islam.

          Islam translates as “submission”.

          I’ve fathered children and am a good father. There are good White wives and daughters, we don’t have to surrender them to invading brown/urine colored Muslims.

          Charles Martel managed to repel the Muslim hordes, Charles had appreciative White females. We can do the same now.

          • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

            You better believe it. The West needs men like Nathan Bedford Forrest in power. Men not afraid to defend the honor of their kith and kin with deadly force when necessary. Harry Truman, a liberal by the standards of his generation, who stupidly integrated the military, still showed the testicular fortitude to drop two nukes on the arrogant, homicidal, anti-White Japanese. Nathan Bedford Forrest would have nuked the whole country, and closed our borders to all Orientals. In response to 9/11, Bedford Forrest would have authorized a veritable nuclear blitzkrieg on the Islamist world. The Islamists would have shown us proper deference, or faced extinction.

          • MikeofAges

            Proper deference for as long as they had to. Reminds me of the fictional Terminator: “He can’t be bargained with, he can’t be reasoned with, and he absolutely will not quit.” When you face that kind of will, you have little choice to respond with the same level of will. Will, of course, begins with self-definition.

        • FinnShane

          I agree, the current Feminist/Marxist ideology is perverted and destructive in the extreme. Islam however, among other things, has serious issues with the relations between the sexes. It actually believes if a man and a woman are alone together they will have sex, as the man will not be able to control himself. Paradoxically, Islam agrees with extreme feminism’s “all men are potential rapists” narrative. The inherited racial traits of the Arabs and Africans reinforce this with their poor impulse control. Muslims really don’t have self control…they have so little faith in their willpower and cognitive abilities that they need rigid societal controls and answers or they cannot function in anything close to a civilized manner.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Islam teaches the subjugation or murder of all non muslims. And that means you, pal (I think). Its founder was an arch criminal child rapist and mass murderer. That aside, it’s a fine religion.

      • ZB01

        Sans the racial component, and the fact that the Latter Day Saints religion purports to be a variant of Christianity, the similarities between Joseph Smith and Mohammed are truly remarkable. A quick google search will provide some interesting details.

        • jaye ellis

          Oh please do SHUT UP!

          White Latter Day Saints have never destroyed, enslaved entire White nations in Asia Minor, North Africa, Greece the Balkans.

          Who would you prefer/fear as a neighbor?

          Nice Latter Day Saints or these throw cutting, rapist, ruined colored pedophile rapist Muslims?!

          OK, smart *** go prove us your theory of equality between Latter Day Saints and brown Muslims. Go live for a year in Provo Utah, then go live (more likely die) in a year in Pakistan/Afghanistan, some Algerian Muslim no go slum outside of Paris.

          These know it all, cultural relativists, Muslim apologists are major pain.

          *#*$(#*$ cowards1

          And know that Muslim conquerors like to rape White boys and men, not just females – maybe you wear your pants below your butt.

          Pathetic.

          • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

            Absolutely correct. The Sister Wives life would not be for me. One wife is the way I choose to live. If Cody Brown can handle four wives, though, more power to him!!! Cody Brown is a good husband to his four wives, a gentleman, and a loving father. Cody’s family is an excellent Christian family. I would be honored to call Cody and his wives friend, and to have them as neighbors. They are fine Christian people. To see them raising a nice, massive crop of healthy and happy White youth in this era of low White birthrate is heartening. To see the Browns compared to a homicidal pedophiliac rapist with a harem of sex slaves in beyond disturbing. Warren Jeffs is not the norm amongst Mormons. Most Mormons are embarrassed by him. In the Islamic world, though, Warren Jeffs would be a hero.

          • Spikeygrrl

            I’m descended from LDS polygamists and would WELCOME a plural marrIage if polygamy were to be re-legalized.

            There’s a passel of behavioral reasons why, if you’re willing to honestly examine the very real difference between male and female psychology.

          • pcmustgo

            As long as people have money to pay for all these babies, it’s fine. AFRICANS, BLACKS, AMER-INDIANS, LATINOS- all naturally polygamous and single parenters who drain the welfare state dry by behaving this way.

          • Spikeygrrl

            Agreed on both counts.

          • ZB01

            The similarities between Joseph Smith and Mohammed in the founding of their respective religions, are still there. I stated nothing about the doctrines or the people themselves.

            Ergo, I will not SHUT UP. I will speak my mind. And you are free to defend, what even white people acknowledge, largely, what is a most strange, odd religion. The most common word that I hear with respect to Latter Day Saintism is: CULT.

            By the way, do you have a personal dog in this race?

          • jaye ellis

            yeah, I’ll go that route.

            Mormons – Latter Day Saints have always been solid good White People.

            Nasty, dark, hairy, Afro Arab, Turk, Chetnian, Pakistani brown, urine colored, throat cutting, child rapists 8th century savages…

            No.

            There is no comparison.

            I’m going to LDS church services tomorrow – so many very nice, healthy, good looking White folks.

            I feel 0% chance of getting massacred by nice, White LDS folks that look and act like Donny and Marie Osmond.

            Hey buddy, please go take your screwed up, insane religious studies interpretations to Yemen!

          • ZB01

            I figured you had a dog in this race. By the way, the ad hominem arguments are a tacit admission that my statements, are in fact, correct. That type of argumentation is generally regarded as the weakest form of debate. Oh, but don’t take my word for it: Write to an experienced debater like Mr. Jared Taylor. I’d bet that he’d have to concur.

            Your divinely revealed religion capitulates to government demands. When, in 1978, the US government threatened to remove its tax exempt status, suddenly your “Prophet” had a divine revelation that Blacks were allowed to the Priesthood. How convenient.

            By the way, in my first response, name one similarity that I stated that is historically incorrect. Just one.

            Enjoy your “Sacrament meeting”, when, anyone with half a brain knows that the word “sacrament” is stolen from the Catholics!

          • Chasmania

            You can’t argue the merits (or lack of) of a cult with a cult member.

            LDS is a pretend, made up religion that could easily provide bona fids of it’s reality if they would just do some serious excavating of that battlefield that’s supposed to exist in NY state at Cumorah Hill. The fact that they haven’t used their enormous economic and political power to grab that land and have it dug up to reveal it’s truths is a sure sign of the phoniness of the LDS.

          • jaye ellis

            I hope they did up what remains of your pathetic body after some Algerian Chetnians do a suicide bombing in your know it all think tank.

          • Chasmania

            That’s the exact style of debate that a muslim would engage in. Thank you for making my point.

            ….and sweet Jesus wtf is an “Algerian Chetnian” ? I am really wanting to hear the explanation for that geographical game of twister.

          • ZB01

            And yet…you still did not refute one similarity that I mentioned.

            Again, with the name calling. I could do the same with your temple rituals—all eerily similar to Masonic initiation rites—but I’m sure you’ll have ” “no” explanation for that, either.

            By the way, there are plenty of decent White people, in church or synagogue, who can be white, upright, moral, and clean—and without the baggage and mythology which is the Utah Church.

          • Chasmania

            Not sure what the point of your post is, mystery Guest. Are you agreeing with or disagreeing with me or making some other point ?

          • jaye ellis

            Yours is a classic deception. You present some true similarities and then conclude that LDS Mormonism is the same as Islam, no better.

            You omit HUGE differences, live or mostly die differences.

            LDS Mormons have never, NEVER taken White European slaves, sexual concubine slaves, never stolen White children to be raised, trained as Muslim Sultan shock troop warrior slaves.

            The Jannissaries.

            The (still overwhelming White) LDS Mormons have never used mass violence to destroy White Christian civilization.

            OK, I hope that kind of clear things up a bit buddy.

            But, maybe you still have learned the differences – my hunch is it will take Black, Afro Arab, Turk Muslims to homosexual rape you for you to conclude that yeah…..

            maybe White LDS Mormons like Donny and Marie Osmond aren’t the same as the worst Turk, Afro Arab, Chetnian Muslim throat cutter rapists.

            Be gone you idiot!

          • ZB01

            Please….that any grown man can believe that non-sense for that charlatan, Joseph Smith, strains the limits of credulity. I may be an “idiot”….but you’re a fool…a damned fool who will never attain the Beatific Vision as long as you keep believing the non-sense and mythology which is the LDS religion.

            News flash: God….the true God….the God of Catholics, Jews, Protestants…and yes, even Islamic people….never has resided on a planet called KOLOB…see (Book of Abraham).

            Or, did this “idiot” make up KOLOB, too??? Or perhaps, you’re “lying for the Lord”….another LDS doctrine!

          • ZB01

            Nothing wrong with “healthy, good looking White folks”. But here, we’re talking about religion and plenty of polygamy to this day. Too bad, your religion’s pretense to superior “family values” is not reflected in Utah’s much higher than average divorce rate…and the state with the #1…not #2, or #3…. but #1 subscription to porn in the entire nation.

            Don’t believe me? Sure you don’t; that’s understandable. Google it.

          • Mason Gull

            These “similarities” are all very general and I would hardly call them concrete. For example, LDS polygamy and Islamic polygamy are not analogous because the latter was an established practice among the Arabs while the former was a doctrinal innovation by Smith.

            As for the Mountain Meadows massacre, I’ll agree that it was very terrible act of murder, but given the historical context something like it was bound to happen eventually.

          • KyraNelson

            Both Joseph Smith and Mohammed had their “revelations” in private. It’s so very interesting how self serving those “revelations” ended up being. Any con man can do that. And that’s what both of them were.

          • ZB01

            Go this route: Mountain Meadows Massacre.

      • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

        Race indeed is not everything. I’m sure Mohammed was of pure Arabic Caucasian stock. He was a crackpot, though, and pushed an ideology that glorifies sexual deviance. Sex slavery, harems, and rape. To such a sociopath, miscegenating with harems of feral Negresses purchased from an African chieftain would have seemed like nothing other than a little fun.

        • pcmustgo

          Arabs and Jews are semites. I am half jewish. We are not fully “white”. Or European. Btw, Thomas Jeffferson (and a few other white slave owners) did a little miscegenating with Negress and Quadrooon (sex) slaves back in the day.

          • Sam Oranger

            The term Semitic is a silly one. It actually describes language linguistics and not ethnicity. The term did not even come into heavy use until the early 1900s.

        • KyraNelson

          It’s likely that ol’Mo had some kind of schizoid thing going. He was ” hearing” the voice of the angel “Jibril.” How do you spell delusional??

      • pcmustgo

        I’ve met Bosnians. Yes, they are “white”, but the ones I knew both had kinky blond hair and very, very, very dark brown eyes, a clear sign of racial mixing.

        • Batterytrain

          Nope it is not sorry….

    • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

      Exactly. Bosnian Muslims are rarely jihadists. The reason is race. They are Slavic Caucasians with some Turkic admixture. No Negroid admixture. Arab Christians also lack the Negroid admixture in their genes. They have been immigrating to America for generations, and are hard working, law abiding White Americans. The Islamist cult is mostly Mulatto racially from generations of miscegenation between Arab slave masters and their Negress sex slaves.

      • Reynardine

        Indonesian muslims seem relatively benign for the muslim world (Indonesian ethnic cleansing notwithstanding), but a lot of them are east asianesque. Indonesia is about the only muslim majority country in the world that has a significant share of Christians, Buddhists, and Hindus.

        Then again, you have the Bali nightclub bombings and Aceh has gone full Durka Durka Muhammed Jihad, so I could be wrong.

        All I know is Arab + Muslim = Religion of Pieces.

      • Lygeia

        Chechnya Muslims were responsible for the Beslan massacre of 900 Russian school children on the first day of the Russian school year.

        Three days later, after the assault on the school ended, there was a mass burial of 120 people. The local cemetary was too small and had to be expanded to an adjacent plot of land to accmmodate the dead.

        Several bosnian muslim mujahedin have been killed in Chechnya fighting with the Muslims there against the Russian government.

        • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

          I am basing my opinion on Bosnian Muslims here in the states.

        • jaye ellis

          I haven’t read or seen much commentary on how the Russians eventually stopped Chetnian terrorism against Russians.

          How did Russia essentially win the second Chetnian war?

          Me thinks Russian military went in was rather brutal, then Russia made deals with specific Chetnian warlords, gave them free hand to do whatever they wanted as long as the pledged loyalty to Moscow and made sure no Muslim terrorist attacks against Russians.

          • John R

            They used tactics that would be politically unacceptable in the West, that’s how.

      • John R

        Good point. There is a racial dynamic to this. They envy our way of life, and our beautiful blonde women.

    • Spikeygrrl

      Sneaking in your own anti-Semitism at literally the last word. Did you really think we wouldn’t NOTICE?!

      Coward.

      • B.A_2014

        I see you support the genital mutilation of baby boys.

        Sicko.

        • Spikeygrrl

          Since setting rhetorical bear traps seems to be your favorite form of discussion: how long ago did you stop beating your wife?

          • B.A_2014

            I never stopped.

    • FinnShane

      In my early twenties I was on a spiritual search and read a very informative compendium of the beliefs of the major religions. It was my first encounter with Islam. After reading the chapter on Islam for only 5 minutes I shook my head in disbelief, muttered something like “people actually BELIEVE this s@&t?!?” and skipped the chapter and moved on to reading about Jainism.

      • pcmustgo

        OMG, me too. Except I went through various relligious phases as an early teen.. I read all the major religious texts, including the Bible, Baghdavad Gita, Siddartha, and finally the Koran. It was VERY clear to me even then that the Koran was just a garbled up piece of the bible, like someone had taken the bible, cut and pasted it, and then scrambled it.

      • Charles Martel

        I worked in Jeddah for several months in the early 90s. Every Tuesday we RAN to be the first to get a copy of the English language daily newspaper so we could read “Islam in Perspective”, a weekly advice column for Moslems. Week in and week out it was hilarious – both the questions and the answers. Many of the questions dealt with matters of sex and the proper Islamic way to deal with it.

    • pcmustgo

      Christianity and Judaism are also Middle Eastern religions. I am half Jewish myself. But Christian.

  • Tarczan

    “houris: specially trained nymphomaniac virgins.”

    An interesting idea.

    • Zimriel

      They have whatever properties the jihad’s recruiters find useful to motivate young men to die fi sabil’llah.

  • Fletch

    The cult of the desert. Arabs and Africans swarm to it.

    • Dwight

      Christianity places a high value on sexual purity and chastity. Radically different from the Saudi Arabian desert religion. That Africans swarm to it is not surprising. Whites who convert to it are a freakish lot.

      • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

        Pure blooded Arabic Caucasians are very close to Latin Caucasians genetically. Latin Caucasians are legendary for being a little horny by Northern European standards. Just look at the miscegenation the Spanish/Portuguese engaged in in South America. A real contrast to the anti-miscegenation convictions of the Anglo-Celts in good old Dixie.

      • pcmustgo

        Blacks like it because it’s anti-western/white, they get duped into thinking Christianity is “the white man’s religion” , that was forced on them through slavery. apparently some Black slaves were indeed Muslim (and Negro spirituals like “Ole Sharia” are evidence of that), it’s “exotic” (white converts like this too, the costume/clothing/veils, moons and stars), it’s had a presence in Africa for a very long time and many Africans already are Muslim, it gives a sense of discipline sorely lacking in Black life, Malcolm X was a Muslim (and Muslims have indeed literally been reaching out from abroad and prosletyzing in our prisons since the 1930’s and that’s where he got converted), etc.

    • Anna Tree

      Indeed: for example, there are many descriptions of paradise as being very shadowy and cool: that obviously is great for desert people under constant hot sun and not so many trees like in Arabia but lol wouldn’t work for people of the North who would prefer sun and its warmth!

      • Carney3

        Yes, and the Muslim color is green as well, since to a desert people green plants are rare and precious, and paradise must have many of them. The Libyan flag under Quadaffi, the current Saudi flag, the flag of Hamas, etc. are largely green.

      • rightrightright

        The North European paradise was originally Valhalla – roaring wood fires, warmth, protection from the raw elements outside, beer, mead, great chunks of roasted meat, stories, singing, laughter, women moving about as they liked. Couldn’t be more different.

        • MikeofAges

          Hey, I like that, with kudos to the ungulate martyrs who make all of this possible.

  • JohnEngelman

    Everything secular liberals hate about the religious right and the Bible belt is far more true of Islam and Muslims. For some twisted reason secular liberals want to believe that the West is the source of all evil in the world. Therefore the make excuses for Islam and Muslims.

    If you talk to them about Islamic terrorism they will try to change the subject to the Westboro Baptist Church.

    • MBlanc46

      You have phenomena such as Ivy League feminists campaigning for sex-segrated use of swimming pools. It is truly mind-boggling how the multicultis work at keeping these conflicting interests in play at the same time.

      • KyraNelson

        Sex-segregated swimming pools and hairy tranny freaks in the little girls’ room.

  • JohnEngelman

    I have read the Bible including the Apocrypha eight times in seven English translations, and the Koran three times in three English translations. On every few pages of the Koran Mohammed warns his readers that if they do not believe what they are reading they will go to Hell. Comparable passages in the New Testament are few, and lend themselves to other interpretations.

    • pcmustgo

      It’s a CULT. That’s why whenever they mention Mohammed’s name, they say, Peace Be Upon Him, afterwards.

  • JohnEngelman

    Negroes who convert to Islam do not seem to know that Arab slave owners castrated their male slaves.

    If you had suggested to a Christian slave owner that he castrate his male slaves he would have said, “Are you daft? I need those bucks for breeding stock.”

    • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

      Exactly. For White Southerners, Negroes were a labor source. Negroes were valued for their physical strength and endurance in the heat. Their cognitive inferiority and lack of impulse control was also seen clearly by Whites.

      • JohnEngelman

        In addition to castrating male slaves, the Arabs worked their male slaves to death. In the thirteen colonies, and later on in the United States the slave population grew dramatically. That is because the slaves were treated with comparative humanity.

        Slaves in the United States were too expensive to be casually mistreated. Immediately prior to the Civil War a young adult slave could cost $1,000. To give an idea of what that was worth, privates in the Union Army during the Civil War were paid $13 a month.

        • NoMosqueHere

          Angry american blacks are attracted to the violence of the koran, as well as mohammed’s pedophilia. Most blacks enjoy the PLO’s vicious attacks on innocent israelis and identify with the 911 hijackers. They may not say it loudly and publicly, but just wait a few years when whitey is about 30% of the US population.

          • JohnEngelman

            When whites are in the minority in the United States Negroes will be in trouble. Hispanics and Asians will not be forbearing of Negro shortcomings the way we have been. Asians and Hispanics usually vote Democratic. Nevertheless, there is no such thing as an Asian liberal guilt complex, or a Hispanic liberal guilt complex. Immigrants see blacks up close every day and do not like what they see.

          • pcmustgo

            I sure as hell didn’t see them care much about Je Suis Charlie, but then again they never care about anything unless it’s a Black cause.

        • pcmustgo

          Well, the slave population here in the US also grew cause the masters breeded them, sometimes selectively for height and strength, and the slave children were worth money.

          • Charles Martel

            And sometimes bred with them – presumably for their own pleasure.

            I can’t imagine having sex with a slave woman if for no other reason than their nonexistent personal hygiene

    • MikeofAges

      Not giving enough credit, Engleman. The idea of mutilating a human being, of making him physically anything other than what he was born as, or she, was absolutely anathema to the Christian man. The idea simply never occurred him, and couldn’t have for even a moment.

  • Spikeygrrl

    As an atheist I have no dog in this fight…but surely Jesus Christ has had a bigger effect on world history than Muhammad? Given the fact that there is no proof that “a historical Jesus” ever existed, this influence is a testament to the power of a positive IDEA over a negative psychotic (who we KNOW actually existed).

    Christ 1, Muhammad 0.

    • alex

      Jesus Christ didn’t have a mortgage to pay and family to take care of. He didn’t have to get up at 6 AM and drive to work.
      Jesus Crist doesn’t represent me and doesn’t speak for me.

      • John R

        Well, aren’t we cynical? Sounds like the liberal secular humanists-the very people who are destroying our culture-have got to you. Tell me, do you think you are the only person in the world who has to work for a living? What about your parents and grandparents? They probably had to work a lot harder than you, and probably were believers as well. Think about that.

      • FinnShane

        “He didn’t have to get up at 6 AM and drive to work.” That’s part of the joy of working at home with the family carpentry business.

    • Reynardine

      Even though I’m not a Christian, the historical personage of Christ is hard to debate or doubt. He’s confirmed by multiple sources across multiple regions, so there’s little question he existed. If we doubt Christ, we might as well doubt the existence of William of Normandy, Hannibal Barca, and Scipio Africanus.

      The real question is what to make of what he purportedly said.

    • John R

      Well, as a Christian, I can say this is one time that I respect the opinion of an atheist.

      • Spikeygrrl

        You’d be gobsmacked to learn how much “we and thee” agree about. Not counting our Lunatic Fringe or yours. (Every belief system has one. Yes, you Christians too 😉 ).

    • John Smith

      A bigger POSITIVE effect, but never underestimate the power of the negative to effect change as well.

  • KenelmDigby

    I have absolutely no fear whatsoever of Islam, or indeed of its most radical and fanatical adherents. Absolutely none whatsoever, and I strongly recommend this opinion to all amrenners.

    Why do I say this:

    Now, look. As long as brown people – and by extention the religion many of them folloow, ie Islam, are confined to their own geographical zone, then obviously and simply they cannot harm us. They will only be a curiosity that exists ‘over there’ and nothing else. This certainly was the case in the pre-1940 USA. I wager that many White Americans of that era had no real knowledge of the existence of such a religion as Islam. Others, more educated Americans probably had a vague notion based on legends, myths and snippets of Hollywood films. Would an American of that era ever have thought of Islam being a threat to himself, his family and his nation?
    And for a moment, don’t believe the forces of Islam could, these days, mount a hostile armed invasion of the west. The weaponry that exists in today’s technological world, would, in theory, negate that notion.

    No. Their ARE forces in today’s world that I fear. They are closer to home. Namely the utter, utter, incomprehensible, galactic, stupidity of ‘our’ political class.

    • jaye ellis

      Hey KenelmDigby

      You’re a clueless idiot! Brown Muslim people are not confined to their own geographical zone. There are over 7 million Brown Muslims in France! Pakistani Muslims have set up no go zones for Whites in England, raping over 1,500 White English girls in one town in Yorkshire England! Didn’t you read this Amren article? Islam has never respected national boundaries. Islam has always spread by invasion, mass violence, conquest, enslavement – hey clueless, historically ignorant AMURIKUN dumb *&*(, you’ve obviously never heard about the sack of Constantinople or the Battle of Algiers. Many of these Brown Muslim countries that you think current brown Muslim hordes will stay in, used to be White Western countries/societies – Algeria was part of the baton of France 60 years ago – large parts of current Turkey were White Greek, Armenian societies – Asia Minor was were the classical city, civilization of Troy was based.

      I am afraid there is really not much use in trying to use reason, or teach brutal history lessons of Whites getting slaughtered and enslaved by the Muslims guys like this commenter will just shrug will insist that these Brown Muslims could never harm us, never invade us because we have superior technology.

      Hey dumb *((*_)) did the Blacks in Ferguson MO use superior technology, superior military organization to destroy White civilization in Ferguson MO, how about Detroit or Baltimore?

      Sometimes I think the renegade wizard Sauraman has put some sleeping spell on patriotic White Amurikuns.

      Jared Taylor was raised by missionary parents in Japan. Mr. Taylor knows that there are virtually no/zero Japanese people who would tolerate any Muslim immigration, terrorism in Japan.

      Why can’t we be like the Japanese?

      Why are we cursed with clueless Amurikuns like this commenter?

      • KenelmDigby

        You rant and rant and rant, but you haven’t got a clue what you are ranting about.
        Firstly, Muslims are only in White western lands because the politicians invited them in. The ordinary people never wanted them.
        In theory, political action could deport them all, every last one.
        Alas, this would have been possible in 1968 when Enoch Powell made his speech, but it’s too late now. The very few White states that have not accepted Muslims should heed the warning band save themselves.

        On the question of thermonuclear weapons, anyone with a brain- not you – can realise that these are game changers that have altered the whole course of warfare and hostile invasion for good. The point I was trying to make, and obviously which you do not or cannot understand is that an advanced White nationalist nation state with nuclear weapons would never, ever be in fear of a hostile, armed Muslim invasion. The consequences for the invading nation would be too dire.
        The reason that White Americans allow blacks to walk all over them is simply because White Americans are too cowardly to fight back.
        By ‘fighting back’ I mean physically fighting back and politically fighting back in electing politicians who will actually explicitly defend White interests.
        As long as you – I am not an American – keep acting in that cowardly manner, which I am certain will not change until you have been subjugated into a black/brown bullied minority, nothing will change in your country.

        Goodnight to you.

      • KenelmDigby

        Look.
        There are 200 million Muslims in Pakistan. There are 200 million in Indonesia. There are 150 million in Bangladesh etc etc etc.

        Nasty, impoverished, hopeless third word hell-holes all.

        At this moment, these Muslims are sequestered in their hell-holes. They can live, die, starve, rant, pray, kill each other etc as much as they want. In their hell-holes they simply cannot harm us, because obviously they are not amongst us. Now there are certain western politicians who want to abolish all immigration controls whatsoever. George W. Bush, probably a man you voted for, was one of them. Now it doesn’t take a genius to work out that if open borders were ever instituted then they’d all come to live in America.
        So who’s more dangerous? Muslims more or less hopelessly trapped in hell-holes of there own making, or politicians who want to bring those same Muslims into the house next-door to you?

        Can you really, seriously not understand this simple point?

        • thomasdosborneii

          I’m not really sure what you are trying to say. Western countries should not be afraid of Moslem invasion (tell that to France and Sweden!) because westerners have better weapons? But the point is that Moslems have ALREADY invaded, as you admitted when you said that the politicians invited them in.

          • KenelmDigby

            A capable White nationalist government would make life so difficult and uncomfortable for them that they would leave of their own accord.
            The trouble is getting such a government elected.
            Therefore we all have to work toward the ultimate destruction of the political class.

      • John R

        Thank you. Don’t underestimate the violent fanatic. And remember a society can be brought down by its own weaknesses. Don’t underestimate those primitive brown people. Last time I checked, there were two tall buildings on the southern end of Manhattan Island called the World Trade Centers.

    • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

      Precisely. If the borders were closed to all White European nations to all, save for other Whites from fellow White European nations, we would not have these problems. The only Arabs immigrating to the U. S., pre 1920, were Arab Christians. They have never been a problem for two reasons. 1) They are not members of the insane religion of rape and murder. They are fellow Christians. 2) They do not have significant Negroid admixture in their genes. This is because they adhere to our Christian faith, and do not have a history of generations of miscegenation with harems of Negresses. Mohammed lived a lifestyle similar to a gangster rapper. Is it any wonder that the Negroes gravitate to his religion?

    • John Smith

      Except we’ve gone in and given these primitives our technology and accepted them into our countries. Even if we threw them out, they still have weaponry which will make them dangerous. No putting the genie back in.

    • MikeofAges

      Islam has conquered as many people by infiltration as it has by overt warfare. The template is well known. First, show up and act all hissy. As the population grows, demand special privileges. Start conducting low-grade warfare against the rest of the population. In traditional and backward societies, gain control the commercial economy. Economically strangle the rest of the population. Demand and take political control. Demand that everyone else convert to Islam. This is how South Asia north and east of Persia and was turned Islamic.

  • Lygeia

    The archangel Gabriel has some explaining to do.

    • Silly Frog

      Almost lost a mouthful of soda after reading that! Funny.

  • jaye ellis

    Brilliant.

    Arguably the greatest American Renaissance article ever!

    And I have always argued for 14 straight years with know it all open borders Libertarian Loons that Mohamed Ata and his nasty Islamic terrorist buddies were allowed to attend flight school in Florida, get Florida drivers licenses, get on airplanes in Boston MA and proceed to slaughter flight crews, crash our airplanes in to office buildings and the Pentagon, slaughter 3,000 plus of our people in our country.

    Ron Paul took the 10th anniversary of the 9-11-01 muslim slaughter to lecture GOP debate viewers that WE deserved this attack for insulting Saudi Arabia by stationing US military forces near Muslim holy sites (Saudi Arabia requested US military forces there) and also deserved the 9-11-01 attack for US pro Israel policies that oppressed the Palestinians!

    To this day both Ron Paul and his equally loon Libertarian son Rand Paul insist that the Al Qaedda terrorist leader in Yemen (killed by US drone attack) was a full US citizen based on the legal technicality of “birth right citizenship”! Folks this is a real no brainer. Regular Whites remaining alive and unsolved on planet earth do not want to be terrorized, tortured, murdered or enslaved by these nasty, hairy, ugly, racially, culturally alien Islamic barbarians following the pedophile rapist Prophet. When you come out strong for our (local) White people and make these Muslim rapists, slavers, terrorists the enemy – YOU WIN.

    On the other hand……

    Jew obsessed conspiracy kooks will say 1,500 years of appallingly bad relations with Muslims is all a Mossad false flag operation.

    • OHDeutschePolkaConfederate

      Exactly. Islam is not a religion of peace. It is a religion of violence and egomaniacal hedonism.

    • Al Qaeda terrorist leader in Yemen (killed by US drone attack) was a full US citizen based on the legal technicality of “birth right citizenship”

      Since AR always has a new tune-in factor, there are probably lots of people who don’t know what that means.

      There is a fashionable fad in both the left and the libertarian right to denounce American drone strikes of “American citizens.” Turns out those drone strikes aren’t in the United States, they’re in Yemen and Shemen and Pakistan and Whackistan and Whereverthehellistan. And the “American citizens” so killed aren’t white people named Tom Smith, they have names like Mohammed al-Terroristiqua or some such, and their “American citizenship” was purely a function of their having been born in the United States as their non-citizen parents from Whereverthehellistan were here at the time teaching some wacko studies class at some school here. And Mohammed al-Terroristiqua was targeted not because he ran a stop sign, but because he was a major organizer of some AQ style Muslim terrorist jihadi network.

    • WR_the_realist

      Ron Paul never said that we deserved the 911 attack, and voted to authorized George Bush to go after the terrorists (he never voted for the Iraq War). There is a difference between saying that our military bases in Saudi Arabia, our sanctions on Iraq, and our one sided support for Israel, justified the attack in the minds of radical Islamists, and saying that those things justified the attack in Ron Paul’s own mind. Ron Paul rejects the notion that we were attacked because of our “freedoms”, and he was right about that. Al Qaeda does not care about our “freedoms”, one way or another. Switzerland is a free as America, but Al Qaeda did not fly planes into any of its buildings.

      • John Smith

        Instead, Muslims keep immigrating and throwing up mosques everywhere until the locals stopped it.

    • pcmustgo

      Yup, I am half Jewish and see this all the time. New World Order types who think all terror attacks worldwide are staged by Jews with fancy video cameras and computer special effects. They refuse to critsize Islam. They think we’re “all the same” and all races will unite and rise up against the New World Order. Ron and Rand Paul also support open borders with Mexico.

  • It is Mohammed’s endless battles with the infidels and his rules for dealing with them that are the heart of the Koran. In this sense, the Koran is more about politics than religion.

    Of course, just as I happen to think that economics is 10% mathematics and 90% politics, and that ideology is 10% philosophy and 90% politics, that religion is 10% spirituality and 90% politics.

  • MBlanc46

    I really don’t care about Islam or Muslims. They can live however they want, as far as I’m concerned. I just don’t think there’s a place for them in the US (or any Western country).

    • Proletarian Contemplations

      Ah, but they care about you!

      • MBlanc46

        And that’s mostly our fault. We went into their countries for economic and geopolitical reasons, and for economic reasons (of the elites) started importing them into our countries. If we end those policies, they’ll quickly lose interest in us.

    • jaye ellis

      Lot’s of nasty Muslim countries used to be be predominately White Western countries.

      Modern Turkey rests on land that was Greek from the age of antiquity – the ruins of Troy are in modern Turkey.

      Algeria was part of the country of France 60 years ago, majority population in Algerian coastal cities was White European – than hundreds of thousands of poor Arab Muslims from the mountains, countryside moved to the city looking for jobs, or just attracted to White cities – it’s the same problem we have with poor Mexican and Central American Amer Indian Mestizo peasants flooding in to California, Chicago.

      It is a huge mistake to take the line that we can just leave Muslims alone in “THEIR COUNTRIES” as they supposedly will not come in to our countries. They can and are flooding in to our countries.

      Muslims know that Arab Muslim Moors occupied, ruled Spain for 700 years, they are now building large Mosques in Spain to celebrate their Reconquest.

      • KenelmDigby

        Firstly, Algeria was always a Muslim majority nation, right from the dark ages, through to the 1831 French conquest and occupation and right up to present.
        Now, as a nationalist, I am forced to agree with the wishes of the indigenous Algerian Muslim people for self determination and their own ethnic state. I know this might be unpopular here amongst certain quarters, but we cannot let the White nationalist movement be accused of hypocrisy. We must be equitable in our demands and obligations.
        As for the case of Byzantium/Turkey, well that is so far back in the distant past as to have much bearing on our mission today, which is rooted here, now in the present and the future. If we negate the right of the Ottoman Muslim conquest of Asia Minor way back in the 15th century, then others will demand that the European conquest of the American continent be negated.

        No. What the WN movement MUST as an imperative do right now, is to demand the right of White European nations to stay White European. There is still, just, a window of perhaps 50 years to do this.
        As a bare minimum we must agitate for and get a total, absolute non negotiable immigration moratorium from black/brown third world nations that is explicitly, unequivocally and unashamedly racially based and racially enforced. We shouldn’t give a damn about what anyone thinks of us for doing this.

        • John Smith

          Except before the 7th C., when it wasn’t – when it was Christian.

        • pcmustgo

          yup…

    • John Smith

      Except they’ll never be content with only what is currently theirs – many want to retake past conquests like Spain and then drive forward, be it using the sword or the penis.

      • MBlanc46

        What they might fantasize about and what they would actually do are very likely different things. I we could rein in globalization and mass labor migration, almost all of them would do nothing but live their medieval lives in their medieval countries (if you can call them countries).

  • Silly Frog

    “We disbelieve in you, and between us and you enmity has shown itself, and hatred forever, until you believe in Allah alone. ” (Q60:4)

    **this i believe, Bob, ill take the hatred forever for $1

    “Fight against those who do not believe in Allah…of those who have been given the Book (Jews and Christians), until they pay the jizya out of hand and are humbled. (Q9:29)

    **this verse is heavily contested, but read what muslim scholars over the ages have clarified. I doubt the average ME muslim can read it all anyways.

    “When thy Lord inspired the angles, (saying) I am with you. So make those who believe stand firm. I will throw fear into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Then smite the necks and smite of them each finger. That is because they opposed Allah and His messenger. (Q8:12-13, see also Q 47:4)

    **Necks and fingers, got it.

    Theres a prohibition against Muslims befriending unbelievers (Q3:118-120)

    and Nonmuslims exercising authority over muslims (Q3:100, Q5:56)

    (Fine examples provided by Mark Durie in the Book:

    The Third Choice, Islam, Dhimmitude and Freedom.)

    There are many sections dedicated to the contested verses by Muslims that are interpreted by other muslim religious leaders, that give a very clear picture for the reader.

    The incredible restrictions and punishments dealt to dhimmi’s is painful to read when they are lined up, I will never capitulate to the evil of islam or to the war on western civilization by the enemies within and without our borders.

    Speaking of those sizable Christian populations, what is happening to them today during this current jihad? If your answer is anything but raped, robbed and killed, you are a liar or a fool. Both?

    I could care less about what happened centuries ago during whatever ancient crusade you might reference to justify todays war against western civilization. Today…right now… muslims are killing my people for no better reason then savagery. DWL’s in this country are waging war against western civilization for God knows what reasons.

    At least both groups are not keeping it secret and are looking for trouble while boasting about their victories. I pray they find that trouble in all its glory.

    Thank you for being here amren.

  • Albert

    So odd to think that Mecca was once a place of religious tolerance where all faiths were welcome. The tent of the Kabaa once held idols of hundred of other gods and all people were welcome within. Set anywhere near that tent now and you can expect to be killed on the spot.

  • Epiminondas

    These people aren’t human.

  • jaye ellis

    The reality is that the founder of this cult was not a healthy, good looking, nice White guy.

    Muslim areas of France and England, Sweden are the worst places to be, if we, the native Whites of these countries are even allowed to walk through them.

    The sack of Constantinople. Muslim occupation of Greece and the Balkans are considered the worst things to happen to White civilization in Europe.

    I’m sorry, when I get on an airplane, I check out who is on the airplane with me. Swarthy, dark, hateful looking Muslims tend to be the worst airplane passengers.

    Conquering, enslaving Muslims set up all kinds of laws, rules how conquered “people of the book” could travel, banned from riding horses or camels.

    Well, now we are turning the tables on you sons of allah.

    You can’t ride on OUR AIRPLANES.

    Muslims don’t design or make airplanes – you’re still stuck in 8th century modes of transportation – camels, that sort of thing.

  • kury

    in the name of Tutatis! these Muslims are a crazy bunch!

  • Silly Frog

    Qasim,
    I shortened my reply as to not take up unwanted space, but your interpretation is not the same as several historic and current Muslim scholars. You are trying to defend what we can watch on first person internet footage going on in the name of Islam today, something you are not decrying.
    Its not that I don’t like Muslims (people), I just understand that they have said (daily) that I am their enemy and should perish.
    If I lived in Muslim lands i would face the same horrible fate that Muslims are inflicting as other Christians in the middle east. And if you are not of the type to cut off my head, you would probably approve or just look the other way.

    “An examination of the Kitab al-Jihad (book of jihad) in the Sahih al-Bukhari, or for that matter any of the canonical hadith collections, reveals that the principal meaning of jihad in the hadiths is the use of military force against unbelievers to make Islam victorious and dominant. This is most significant, because Islamic law is based upon the Sunna.
    We also find that military jihad is given very extensive treatment in the Quran, with several suras being named after battle practices, such as The Spoils of War (Q8).”
    See also Abudullah bin Muhammad bin Hamid, Sheikh of the Sacred Mosque of Mecca, “The call to Jihad in the Holy Quran”.

    “Fight them, til there is no persecuation (fitna);
    and the religion is Allah’s;
    then if they give over (i.e. cease their disbelief and opposition to Islam)
    there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.’ (Q2:190-93)

    Several Muslim scholars address how fitna was more grevious then slaying proved to be a significant one. Q2:217 reveals this after an attack on a Meccan caravan. I also don’t believe the Q has changed its stance for western civilization?

    Ibn Kathir (Tafsir), he equated fitna with what he called “committing disbelief’ and associating (polytheism), along side hindering people from following Islam: which is a much greater evil and more disastrous than killing.” Jihad is the suggested method of dealing with fitna and those whom are responsible for its cause. (i.e. nonbelievers).
    ## So its pretty clear eradicating western civilization to stop fitna, and converting or enslaving Christians for the reasons relating to fitna and rejection of Islam, is something that you, assuming you’re a Muslim, is something you should admit to. Need we discuss where lying is OK to achieve this goal for you in the name of Islam?
    I am not telling half truths, just little bits at a time, but it is far better to follow a crumb trail then to point the way to a mirage of what Islam is not, a peaceful religion.

  • John R

    Great article. It took me only a few minutes to read, but I think it taught me more about Islam than I learned during four years in college.

    • Garrett Brown

      Read the Quran, that’s really all you need to know.

  • notyranny

    Sorry but I have little interest in the minutiae of Islam since we have reached the point of just needing to murderize the bums.

    • John Smith

      Understanding your enemy has long been key to defeating him.

  • ssohara

    My parents came here from India and I have had Muslim friends who are very nice people. I don’t hate any race or religion. However, it would be foolish not to recognize the violent roots of Islam. One problem with the West, though, is that the great foundation of Western culture – the freedoms and the Christian religion, among other things, are basically gone. Politicians are total cowards. When the Danish cartoons were published and the Muslims issued death threats, why didn’t the Danish politicians come down hard in support of the cartoonists and free speech?
    In America we now have this President who defends “the prophet of Islam”. Well, guess what, most Americans are actually Christian who don’t recognize him as a prophet! My parents are Hindus, they certainly don’t recognize him as such, and neither do atheists, Buddhists, Native Americans, etc. In Paris apparently the Jews are leaving because of Muslim anti-Semitism and in the UK, underage girls were raped and used by a ring of Muslims but because the police feared offending no one persecuted these fiends. But, what about the rights of those girls? Shouldn’t the government put the rights of children and young women not to be abused and raped above the rights of Muslims not to be cross-examined?
    When my parents immigrated to the US, they adapted to the majority culture here. My Mom is a friendly person and when she goes shopping during the holiday season she will cheerfully wish people “Merry Christmas” even though Christmas is not her holiday – but she gets that most people here do celebrate it. The US is a great country, it should not be ashamed of its culture. Part of that greatness includes freedom of speech. If Muslims come here, they need to understand that just like Mormons are insulted (by the play “Book of Mormon”) and Christians can be offended (by the “Piss Christ” exhibit) and the Jews can be upset (by the Last Passion of Christ) so too they have to deal with the fact that in a free society people may insult their prophet and the proper response is not to blow up a building or chop someone’s head off.
    I am really pretty upset about the way the West is caving to the Muslim extremists. How bad does it get before they say “OK, that’s enough”. I have friends who are very non-provocative and not interested in offending anyone, they are publishing the offensive Charlie Hebdo cartoons on their twitter or FB feeds. I’ve seen those things, they are crude and ugly, I’d never have read that magazine, but after the bombing, I think every newspaper in the West should publish those images. If they are afraid to do it, then they are cowards and the terrorists have won.

    • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

      Once again a good comment, but you still lean towards DIE-versity and multiculturalism. We need to make America a white Christian nation once again and not a mongrel nation.
      So better to kick out those muslims, hindus, arabs and other ethnic peoples that do not assimilate very well now or will not ever. You are a smart girl, but you still are stuck in the DIE-versity bandwagon.

      • ssohara

        Interestingly enough, the Founding Fathers welcomed Jews and there have been Christian Arabs in the Michigan area for over a hundred years. Blacks were forcibly brought here, Chinese were imported to work the railroads and Native Americans were already here when whites came. I am lighter skinned than some of my friends from Italy – I have a friend whose grandparents came from Italy to settle in Texas in the 1920s and they had to live in the “black” part of town since they were not considered white. And when I lived in New York, most of my friends were Greek and they were also often discriminated against by the “whites”. Yet Greece is the cradle of Western civilization.

        I totally support your First Amendment rights to say what you like, including being a racist if you want to be a racist. I actually agree that America should not be a hodge-podge but that people need to assimilate to the culture they find here – which is predominantly Western European and Christian. (Saying Western European is more accurate than white, since Russians are white and yet their culture is quite different as anyone who has actually traveled would know.)

        For myself, since my parents came here legally and obeyed all the laws to get here, and since I was born here, etc., I am an American. Now, if you want to cut off further immigration, I agree with you, but changing the rules in the middle of the game is the kind of thing I expect leftists to do – they were the ones who wanted to change the electoral college after Al Gore lost to George Bush.

        Also, I’ve found that many of my friends who have immigrated here end up being more pro-American than people who have been here for generations. I have a few wealthy leftist white friends who have ancestors who arrived on the Mayflower and they are always apologizing for America, etc. They are nice, decent people and I love them but we never discuss politics since they are far left.

        I suspect you will repeat your comments again if I post on here again (since you pretty much posted the above verbatim the last time I posted) so this will be my last response. But, again, I 100% support your free speech rights and I also 100% will not personally insult you or decide I want to kill you if you decide you want to insult my religion. 🙂

        • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

          Greece was the ‘Cradle of Civilization’ when it was ruled by pure white Aryans, but sadly the present Greeks are a mongrel mix of whites and the East Asians or arabs that conquered Greece.
          Of course the Protestants did not like the Roman Catholics and other Euro races did not like the Poles, the italians and other southern and eastern euro races, but that was due to traditional hostilities. Then they found their common Euro bond and became American.
          Your skin may be fair and fairer than some europeans, but you still love DIE-versity, which is a cancer to white civilization, even though you may not want it to be a hodge podge of other races, but when the white race dies out America will die. Look at Zimbabwe and South Africa before and after it was ruled by whites. Same for Haiti.
          Russians are white, but they are still part of the White Euro Culture. The same as your India, which is so diverse, but still they are considered Indians.
          Immigration from India and non white countries should be cut off and white birth rates should increase,.
          Sadly the May flower descendants have been brainwashed by the libs to feel guilty about being white and that is why they are leftisits. Once those leftists are taken care of then none of that white guilt nonsense will be spread around.
          I do not repaeat my comments verbatim, (I hope you know what verbatim means), but the essence remains the same. I do not want to insult you, but I would like to cure you of your brainwashed leftist nonsense.
          I am glad that your parents came here legally, but I wish they left their Hinduism back in india and not come here with pagan Gods. America was a lot better before the libs and white traitors ruined it by opening its doors in 1965 by changing its immigration laws.
          I support your right to free speech as well.

    • pcmustgo

      Most East Indians are nice, but I’ve been racially abused and bullied by Hindu East Indians obssessed with revenge for the British colonizing India, and resenting “white” people. We don’t want too many Hindus here either.

      • ssohara

        ???? I’m really sorry that you were abused and bullied but _I_ never abused and bullied you. As far as I recall, I never abused or bullied anyone, in fact, I’ve stood up to bullies a couple of times.

        It was irrational to abuse YOU for something the British did. And it’s irrational for you to blame ME for what others did to you. It’s just like the blacks who say they want to tax YOU to repay them for the unrelated white person who enslaved their ancestors. So they equate a guy whose Polish ancestors came here 80 years ago with a white Southern planter from 200 years back. I am sure you would disagree with that, yet you are doing the same thing.

        My personal opinion – let the person who commits the crime pay the penalty for it. I don’t believe in group-think, blaming a group of people for the crimes of their ancestors. I don’t go around blaming every white person for what some white people did 100 years ago and I would suggest you not blame every East Indian you meet for what some people did to you at some point in time.

        I try to treat each individual as an individual, but then again, I’ve read John Stuart Mill and others who espouse what I consider a rational philosophy, so I may be an outlier.

        • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

          Thanks to the Brits india got technology.

          • ssohara

            Out of curiosity, do you read history? There are some interesting documents written in the 1600s by European travelers to India, the New World, etc. One thing that was interesting, when the Europeans first arrived in India, they were impressed with the level of technology there at the time. However, with the Industrial Revolution the British in particular and Europe in general leapfrogged over the rest of the world.

            However, in older times, Europe was technically backwards compared to much of Asia. If you read Marco Polo’s journals, for example, or the journals of Jesuits who saw Japan while the country still allowed a small level of foreigners in. A variety of ground-breaking innovations and technology actually originated in much of Asia.

            Speaking only for India, the concept of zero originated there. The Hindu numeral system is the basis for the Hindu-Arabic numbers used in the West today. The reason it is called “Hindu Arabic” is that the Hindus came up with it and the Arabs gave it to everyone they traded with. To understand why this is important – try to do long division using Roman numerals. Having the proper tool (in this case the numeral system) is often critical.

            The other interesting thing is that the British practiced their techniques for conquering India first on the Irish – the divide and conquer, etc. They realized that the Indians were too technically advanced at the time to conquer in a direct way – Indians at the time had cannon and guns, etc. It was not like the way the British conquered tribes in Africa where a direct assault worked due to the difference in technology. So the British used feuding rajahs, etc., just as they had used feuding Irish leaders when they conquered Ireland.

            From the point of view of morality – if you believe it’s wrong to conquer another peoples’ country, then what the British did in Ireland, India, etc., was wrong. The reason I don’t see the British as distinctly evil or whites as more evil than other races, though, is that this is the story of humanity – from the Aztecs to the Mongols to the tribes of Africa, people have done all sorts of awful things. China has recently conquered Tibet, and no one seems to care about that. Genghis Khan and his Mongol horde were probably the most successful conquerors in history and they committed remarkable atrocity. The British, on the other hand, like the Romans, at least built up infrastructure into their conquered territory.

            BTW, another thing the British did which I think most decent people would find immoral – the opium trade in China that led to the Opium Wars. The British wanted the fine things China had – the silks, porcelains, tea, etc. The Chinese didn’t want anything the British had, except for silver. The British started smuggling opium into China, addicting the Chinese peasants and getting silver in return. The Chinese government tried to stop this opium smuggling which eventually led to the Opium Wars.
            For myself, I think it is immoral to traffic in addictive drugs like opium. I would never do it. But different people have different views of morality and humanity.

            The Indians did come out ahead from having the British there in that they got the English language, the railroads, etc. On the other hand, in the 18th century India had the second largest fabric production industry in the world and was, along with China, one of the wealthier countries in the world. I can send you to a link that has estimated GDP for countries through known history to see this. After the British came, they destroyed India’s native manufacturing industry in order to build up their own – they wanted to convert India into a colony, so they bought cotton from there, sent it to England to be made into cloth, and sent to markets around the world.

            The British also gave India a sensible parliamentary system and actually united the country which had been made up of kingdoms before that. However, the British also replicated in India what they had done in Ireland during the Great Potato Famine, so millions of Indians died of famine, just as millions of Irish had died. And the British were partly responsible for the partition of India which has caused tension since. The British, BTW, were also responsible for the Balfour Declaration that has caused a lot of tension in the Mideast.
            Is India better or worse off thanks to the British? I think it’s a mixed bag.

            The Americans I think had the right idea in kicking the British out. The Scots may do it next.

          • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

            Yes, I do and I love History.
            Civilizations rise and fall and that is what happened to European civilization. Europe entered the dark ages after the fall of the Roman and Greek empires and that is why Marco Polo was so fascinated with the Oriental civlization.
            I have read that the Indians invented the concept of 0, but however, it was the whites that made the world what it is. I know that Indians claim to have aeroplanes and atom bombs in the old days, and that is just as absurd as negros claiming and teaching in black schools in the 90s that the Africans ruled Egypt and that Cleopatra was a negress. They also claim that they flew in planes over the pyramids and that the evil white man destroyed their wonderful civilization.
            If India was that far advanced, then why is it so backward? I guess you will say due to British imperialism. Maybe so. But now why do they all want white civilization and still want to be educated in White colleges and then harp about colonialism. So you can see the hypocrisy there. If you are so smart then stay in your own countries and develop your own technologies , which are independent of white technology. I guess that is not going to work for you.
            Yes please send me the link. I would like to know more.
            I do admit that India had a grand past, but like all civilizations it fell. There were things in the works that would make it fall anyway like conflicts between Hindus and muslims and also barbaric practicies that kept women and minorities down.
            Basically everyone is greedy (British and Chinese included) and I do admit that there are bad white people, but that aside, whites have their own right to preserve their heritage since they have helped many nations come up. If not for whites, 95% of the world would be in the stone age. It is white people that stupidly do all the charitable works in Africa and Asia and then get spat on. So you see, non whites just want all the good stuff that whites have to offer and then they bite the hand that feeds.
            Just for the record, I would not want to be with bad white people like white trash. So you can see that I do not fully support white people no matter what happens, but it is the good clean cut whites that I support.

      • ssohara

        Also, when you say “we” do you mean to represent all white people everywhere? Are you saying whites cannot be individuals with differing opinions, etc.? Good to know. 🙂

      • ssohara

        I apologize if I said anything that hurt your feelings. I try to stick to civilized and polite debate, I hope I did not cross that line with you.

        BTW, and I stand with this guy (though I wouldn’t use his exact language), there is a Muslim from Morocco (where he was born) who is now mayor of Rotterdam – there is a youtube video of him just out where he tells Muslims that if they cannot accept living in a Western society with Western freedoms, they should move to another place, and if they cannot deal with journalists and cartoonists, they should “f*ck off”. I would never curse like that but I agree with the sentiment. Western free society is a precious thing and I wish that more leftists were as adamant as this guy.

        • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

          Yes, you are polite.

  • John Smith

    Pretty obvious that Mohammed was a psychopath who realized that creating his own self-serving religion would rally the gullible before him to fulfill his needs. The truth was probably that he was more a bandit than a “trader,” which is a sanitized version of this criminal’s origin – Islam is a religion of criminals founded by a criminal.

  • Silly Frog

    Qasim,

    “Do Western Christians do this? On the contrary, Westerners have welcomed us into their lands and allow us to practice our religion unmolested.”

    What is the status of Christians that are in the lands of Islam? That difference is the difference between us, I am happy that you enjoy the freedom that western civilization has brought you. Its too bad that I cannot enjoy that freedom in Muslim lands without fear of death.

    “How could it, when the Quran has no stance on Western civilization to begin with?”

    The Quran has a stance on non Muslim societies and non Muslims, does it not? That is the point of the conversation. I can promise that if I saw a LARGE group of Christians raping, robbing, torturing and killing other people for simply not being Christian, I would at the very least begin stating that I do not support them and what they are doing is wrong. And if that evil was taking place close to home, I would once again risk my life for my beliefs and join others in trying to stop them.

    I am sorry for saying you might help or look the other way if my head was getting cut off. Its true I cannot say that you would. But I am being intellectually honest that today and over the last several months, THOUSANDS of Christians have been raped, robed, tortured and killed in middle east lands.
    To be fair though, many thousands of Christians die every year to communists regimes as well.

    Have a good day as well.

  • Massif1

    Notice how the African muslim chose the kosher deli to take hostages. He knew if he’d go into a regular French supermarket he might encounter muslims there. These people are parasites that should be taken back to African and Middle East, there’s no room for them in Western societies.

  • Sick of it

    “Yet another wife famous for her beauty was a Coptic Christian. The other wives were jealous of her fair skin and curly hair.”

    Uh oh, that doesn’t fit with the modern narrative regarding ethnic Egyptians.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Look at this article on the guardian since amren will not let me post the weblink.

    Paris policeman’s brother: ‘Islam is a religion of love. My brother was killed by terrorists, by false Muslims’

  • pcmustgo

    It’s a gangbanger’s religion… the porno paradise should be the clincher for most. 72 whores. They are also not allowed to drink alcohol in the real world, but can in paradise. Paradise, “Janna” is also filled with delicious foods, like a buffet.

  • David Ashton

    This kind of account is not perfect, but it is far better than scurrilous cartoons from atheists whose murder was indefensible but who scarcely deserved the posthumous Legion d’Honneur.

  • Randall Ward

    Great article. Muslims are the most murderous group that ever existed on the planet. They have murdered 250 million people so far and they aren’t through yet. How many can they kill with nuclear weapons? They always start slow in a new area but the end is deadly if they succeed.

  • JohnBoye

    In Arabic it is usual to precede a noun with the definitive article. In this case ‘Allah’ – Al Lah – simply means ‘the god’ – equivalent to ‘god’ in English. So, I wouldn’t assign too much significance to whether or not a ‘Moon god’ was referred to as ‘Allah’ or not. In an age of polytheism some people believed in many gods, some believed only in their own – not much has changed!

  • JohnBoye

    Interesting that even then Jews were the moneylenders!

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    I guess you have not seen other paintings where ancient Greeks were protrayed as white. Alexander is sometimes potrayed as blond and in some as a red haired man. I am not saying Aryan means blond and Blue eyed. You are referring to the liberal meaning of that and I guess they go with what Hiter meant.

    LOL, I guess you have misunderstood the meaning of Samhain (Wicker man). They did not burn people, but an effigy. So it may behoove you as well to read history,

    I never said that indians are dumb, but what i was saying is that your pagan values are not compatible with a white Christian society and also with your views on preserving DIE-versity. It was Christianity that tamed the world, but sadly the liberals have hijacked those teachings and corrupted them.

    I do not like reading Thomas Paine and John Locke since that is where all liberal heresies started and then that got dissiminated into the general population, and now we have all the hell we have to go through.

    If you want to see what Jard Taylor thinks about whites marrying Indians/hindus, look at the latest Amren entry ‘American White Separatist Finds Shared Values with Israel’
    He taks about white women making the mistake of marrying a dark skinned Indian. America and the west were alright when it was white. Prior to 1965 America was more than 90% white and now it is dying off dur to mongrelization and Die-versity. I am more interested in keeping America that way, and you Indians that have dual loyalties should move back since you are most comfortable there.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    In addition to the reply I just sent, It was a big mistake bringing the blacks into the west and allowing more to come in and that goes for other non whites as well. I also do not believe in whites going into Africa and other non white countries and telling them to live by Western Democratic standards. Those standards only work for western nations and not for non white nations.

  • Slātlantican

    Great comments about the group/race vs. the individual. And great reading recommendations. Jefferson basically lifted the Declaration of Independence from Locke’s Second Treatise (not that it was plagiarism; everyone understood where the ideas came from) and John Stuart Mill basically defined the best type of society we should strive for, but did so by prescribing individual relations.

    Unfortunately, your comments and recommendations are wasted on someone like the person with whom you are conversing. JSM would recommend keeping the conversation going, so I respect you even if you do so, but it is as waste of your time.

  • Alec Ryan

    islam is merely God’s scourge against the forgetful nations of Christendom who have forgotten Him,,,