The Racial Order of Prisons

Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, December 12, 2014

A fascinating account of how prison gangs operate.

David Skarbek, The Social Order of the Underworld: How Prison Gangs Govern the American Penal System, Oxford University Press, 2014, 224 pp., $27.95.

Prisons are extraordinary laboratories for the study of human nature. How do impulsive, violent men behave when they are forced to live together for years on end in regimented intimacy? David Skarbek, who is a lecturer at King’s College, London, shows in this remarkable book that racial segregation is one of the basic ways American prisoners order their lives. Segregation is one of the key features of prison gangs, which have become so powerful that, at least in some states, they control virtually every aspect of prison routine. Dr. Skarbek argues convincingly that the purpose of prison gangs is to make and enforce rules, and that gangs are, on balance, a good thing.

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The rise of prison gangs

Prisons are made up of groups of people and therefore need rules. Before the 1950s, there were no prison gangs to establish rules. Guards set rules, but their rules could not govern all kinds of prison behavior, especially since guards exercise power in direct opposition to many of the desires of prisoners. Therefore, before the appearance of gangs, prisoners supplemented prison rules with a convict code that Dr. Skarbek says has been essentially universal in all prisons everywhere. The most important part of the code is that convicts will not help guards in any matter relating to discipline; they will not inform on other inmates or interfere when they break prison rules. The code also forbids theft or violence between inmates.

Prisoners enforce these rules themselves. Violators may be shunned or, if necessary, beaten. For serious infractions, such as informing, an offender may be slashed across the face with a makeshift knife. That leaves a permanent scar that marked a man as untrustworthy.

For a code of conduct to work, prisoners have to know each others’ reputations. They have to know who is untrustworthy and who therefore should be shunned or punished. A system based on reputations can work only in a small population–thousands of people cannot keep track of each other–and it works best in homogeneous groups that have the same norms and expectations.

In prisons that operate by the code, men may form loose groups of four or five based on common interests or experiences, but these groups are very different from modern prison gangs. They are not exclusive, they do not have formal hierarchies, they do not usually have any existence on the outside, and they do not have any real influence on how a prison is run.

Dr. Skarbek argues that gangs appeared because prison populations in Texas, and especially California, changed so greatly that the old norms-based code no longer provided enough order.

One big change was a huge increase in prisoners. From 1945 to 1970, the number of California inmates grew from 6,600 to 25,000, an increase of almost 400 percent. By the mid 2000s, the figure was nearly 180,000.

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In such a large population, no one can keep track of who is or isn’t trustworthy. Also an enormous influx of new people who had no experience with the convict code made it much harder to enforce. The proportion of young offenders and violent offenders also rose, and it is harder to get young, violent men to respect norms.

At the same time, the prison population turned non-white. In 1951, there were two whites for every non-white in California prisons, but by 2011, there were three non-whites for every white. In the 1950s, people of different races congregated with each other but there was not much racial tension. Tension rose as the inmate population shifted to non-white, and as the social turmoil of the 1960s entered prisons. The prison code broke down, and there was an alarming increase in violence.

All these changes meant inmates needed new rules and ways to enforce them, but something else also contributed to the rise of prison gangs: drugs. Dr. Skarbek writes that by 1978, as many as 82 percent of California inmates were addicts who had to have drugs. Where there is demand there will be supply, and a brisk trade in drugs sprang up in prisons. Convicts used to buy drugs from each other with cigarettes, but after California banned cigarettes, postage stamps became currency.

How do drugs get into prisons? New prisoners smuggle them in, accomplices on the outside throw them over the fence, and visitors bring them in, but the largest source is corrupt guards.

Pushing drugs in prison is not a one-man job. Customers are likely to kill a sole proprietor and steal his drugs. They may kill him instead of paying off a drug debt. If the dealer is part of a gang, however, the gang can be counted on to take revenge, and that discourages violence. Gangs also punish people who shortchange customers or sell shoddy goods. Gangs want repeat customers, so they maintain quality. Gangs thus keep order, police quality, and supply a product inmates need.

The initial reason prison gangs were formed, however, was for protection from the violence and chaos that followed the changes in the prisoner population that destroyed the old convict code. The very first prison gang was reportedly the Mexican Mafia, which appeared in 1957. They needed to defend themselves from stronger blacks and whites who were pushing them around, but after Mexicans got organized, they began to prey on other races. In 1967, white prisoners established the Aryan Brotherhood to protect themselves from Mexicans, and the Black Guerrilla Family formed at about the same time for the same reason.

The Mexican Mafia, also known as El Eme (“The M”), was mainly from Southern California, and it preyed on northern Californian Mexicans as well as whites and blacks. Mexicans from northern California responded by setting up Nuestra Familia (Our Family). These gangs arose in prison, and were not imported street gangs. They are classic examples of the tribal, mafia-style organizations that spring up when there is no authority to maintain law and order.

Prison gangs are concentrated in California and Texas, which have large, mixed-race prison populations. Dr. Skarbek writes that 70 percent of members are in those two states.

Prison gangs are hard to study because they often have codes of silence, and even when members break silence they cannot always be trusted. However, it is clear that prison gangs are not like street gangs. They are more highly organized, more strictly disciplined, and require lifetime membership. They have formal rules and even written constitutions that define levels of authority, responsibility, and duty. People in authority have various formal names but are known informally as shot-callers. This illustration shows Nuestra Familia’s formal organization.

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Gangs are segregated in the most obvious way–by race–and race permeates every aspect of prison life. The balance of gang power determines the order in which the different races go through the chow line, what parts of the prison yard are their exclusive territory, which benches people can sit on, who can use weights or basketball courts at what hours, etc. If a gang is strong enough, it may charge a fee to let inmates of other races lift weights or play basketball. The most powerful gangs stake out the parts of the day rooms and prison yards that are least visible to guards, where drug deals and other shady business is easier to hide.

Inmates must socialize only with people of their own race. They must have their hair cut by someone of their race, using clippers that have never touched the head of someone of a different race. The only thing that crosses racial lines is contraband; inmates may buy drugs or alcohol from anyone.

One of the cardinal rules of prison gangs is that if there is a fight between inmates of different races, everyone pitches in to defend his race. However, riots are a last resort that everyone wants to avoid. Drug dealing, and the money that can be made from it, are very important to gangs, and violence is bad for business. As one gang member explains:

We don’t fight in a riot and stuff unless we have to, it’s too dangerous. We’ll go into lockdown, which sucks, and people get killed and stuff. If I’m in lockdown I’m not working. You can make some serious bank in prison and shot-callers hate it when you’re in lockdown.

Gangs enforce discipline best when every inmate is, if not a formal or “made” gang member, at least affiliated with a gang. Mavericks are a menace, because they are not subject to gang discipline. Each inmate, at least in California prisons, must therefore affiliate with a gang of his race and be subject to its discipline.

Gangs keep the peace. If a black, for example, gratuitously offends a white or a Mexican, his gang disciplines him. He may be forced to apologize or be made to run laps in the yard, where everyone can see. For serious offenses–violence, for example, or welshing on drug debts–the black gang may turn the offender over to the aggrieved man’s gang for a serious beating. This will take place out of the sight of guards, in a cell or in a blind corner of the prison yard. The beating victim will not, of course, complain to guards because that would result in even worse punishment.

Some disagreements can be settled only by single combat, but this must not take place spontaneously in the prison yard, where it would attract the attention of guards and could start a riot. Gangs arrange for two men to meet in a discreet location and slug it out.

Controlling violence in this way is a great benefit for prisoners. Dr. Skarbek reports that in California, prison homicide declined 94 percent between 1973 and 2003, at which point it was lower than for people on the outside. Prison riots have also declined greatly since the 1970s. Most prisoners join gangs or affiliate with them, not because they want to make trouble but because they want to avoid it.

Guards take credit for declines in violence, but Dr. Skarbek thinks the real reason is gang discipline. He points out that guards don’t like prisoners, some of whom insult or assault them, and many don’t care if prisoners kill each other.

A gang does not have to have many formal members in order to wield great influence. The most powerful gang in California and Texas prisons, the Mexican Mafia, is estimated to have only 150 to 400 official members. They are intensely loyal, and act immediately and without question on orders from superiors. The only way to leave the gang is death. New members are chosen very carefully, and any member can blackball a recruit. Someone who recommends a new member is fully responsible for his actions, so if the new member fails in his duty, the man who recommended him must kill him. Gang members are required to spend a certain amount of time every day working out so they can be fit, capable soldiers. “Made” members are the nucleus that disciplines affiliates of the same race who are not actual members.

One of the greatest surprises about prison gangs is that they have extensive influence beyond prison walls. The Mexican Mafia, for example, levies a tax on drug sales by California street gangs outside prisons. El Eme can do this because sooner or later members of street gangs are going to end up in California prisons, where they are at the mercy of the prison gang. If a street gang has not been paying the tax, the Mexican Mafia puts out a “green light” on that gang, meaning that any member is to be attacked on sight. This is a very credible threat to anyone who ends up in a California prison.

Many California street gangs are therefore officially affiliated with the Mexican Mafia and pay taxes to it. Gangs that have the number 13 after their names, such as MS-13 or Florencia-13 are openly advertising their affiliation with El Eme–“M” is the 13th letter of the alphabet. This is a strong signal to competitors that a gang has the support and protection of the most powerful prison gang in America. It’s a warning to other gangs to keep out of their turf.

The Mexican Mafia wants peace and quiet on the outside as well as in prison, because it is better for business. At one point it ordered California gangs to stop doing drive-by shootings because they made the news, scared customers, and brought in the police. The number of drive-bys dropped.

El Eme also doesn’t like intra-Hispanic violence if it can be avoided. As one prisoner explains: “It’s about making money nowadays, not shooting your own raza up. If you guys wanna shoot somebody go shoot up those niggers from Westside 357 or Ghosttown.”

There are limits to El Eme’s reach. It can tax gangs only in California because only California gang members are imprisoned in California and therefore vulnerable to punishment. Also, it can tax only Hispanic gangs because it cannot easily put the green light on a white or a black. Interracial violence–unless it is cleared beforehand as a form of just punishment–can start a riot, which everyone wants to avoid.

Naturally, some Hispanic street gangs resent paying the drugs tax to the Mexican Mafia. For a while there was a gang that called itself the Green Light Gang and openly advertised the fact that it did not pay taxes to El Eme. Dr. Skarbek notes dryly that many of its members ended up dead.

Drug taxes add up. An Eme shot-caller may collect as much as $50,000 a month. It used to be very easy for California inmates to handle this kind of money; they had official convict bank accounts. The prison system finally got wise to how the accounts were being used, and started monitoring them for big transactions. Now, it is often wives and girlfriends of jailed Eme members who collect and bank the taxes.

It is useful for gang members to be easily identifiable. A man who is obviously a gang member can speak for the gang, and if he is transferred to another prison his status can go with him. That is why members get tattoos. A “made” member of El Eme or Nuestra Familia has a lot of authority, inside a prison and out, so criminals may be tempted to fake membership by getting gang tattoos. A properly run gang kills impostors.

It takes a lot of information to run a gang. Shot-callers need to know whether underlings–sometimes in other prisons–are following orders. They need to know when a street gang member who deserves punishment is going to prison–and where. They need to know who is behind on drug debt or needs to be taught not to push low-grade drugs. There is therefore a huge traffic in smuggled cell phones, once again mostly by corrupt guards.

In 2011, California prison guards confiscated more than 15,000 cell phones from prisoners. A study that used sophisticated electronics once detected more than 25,000 phone calls, texts and Internet accesses from a single prison in just 11 days.

Dr. Skarbek thinks prison authorities are not handling gangs correctly. Guards try to decapitate gangs by putting shot-callers in “administrative segregation,” which is the fancy new word for solitary. That just opens up spots in the gang hierarchy for new men. Gangs meet important convict needs, and until those needs are provided some other way, gangs will meet them.

Prison gangs are a crude but effective way in which men have banded together to provide order in a lawless environment. Gangs took on their present form through trial and error, not through deliberate design. They are a fascinating example of spontaneous, purely pragmatic, human organization. And they are particularly clear evidence that man’s tribal nature instinctively expresses itself in the form of racial segregation.

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Jared Taylor
Jared Taylor is the editor of American Renaissance and the author of White Identity: Racial Consciousness in the 21st Century.
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  • Henry Higgins

    Did Jared Taylor write this article? It’s a very interesting departure from the usual.
    Brendan Tevlin was executed, gang style, most likely to solidify higher status for Ali Brown in prison, where his previous murders were already sending him.

  • cherrie greenbaum123

    This article has wide implications for America. When viewed in the light of the open borders we have now, it is evident that this sort of hierarchal structure is coming. The police force will increasingly be asked to attend to wider matters pertaining to the state. What this means is that in times of financial calamity, our police will be required to defend, ahem, the truly white privileged (TWMNBN) when the inevitable bank runs occur. Thus requiring white males, those who haven’t been thoroughly indoctrinated with feminism, homo-eroticism, and racial self-hate, to defend the remaining non-lesbo women who still have a stake in the continuation of this country.
    You know, the saddest portrayal of American womanhood happened in the ’70s in the personification of “Gloria Stivick”, Archie Bunker’s strident, feminist, ultra-negro loving daughter, who mouthed off about how America would rue the day that white people ran civilization. These are the same bitches that will scream “rape” when the bantus have at them and no white man is around. Revenge, as the Russians like to say, is a dish best served cold.

    • Tarczan

      I always thought “All in the Family” was the beginning of the culltural attack on white America.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Same here. I abhored that show. Archie had all kinds of brainless hatred for other White European nationalities, expressing ignorant hatred of Irish, Italians , and Poles while never holding George Jefferson in proper abhorrence. He mangled the English language in a painful way, and never expressed pride in his own heritage, or even seemed to know anything about his own heritage. Stivik typified a tribe member in attitude and looks, not a Polish American. I’ve never talked to a member of the WWII generation that acted or thought like Archie. Norman Lear intentionally created this smoke screen, though, to brainwash the Baby Boomer youth of that era that their elders, who were mostly racial realists who held sensible objections to Negro sociopathy, not ignorant prejudices against certain European nationalities, were brainless bigots. Lear was nothing more than an anti-White tribe member typical of WWII generation tribe members. He was a Negrophilic Gentile hater. The prejudices he conveyed through Archie against White Europeans were his prejudices.

        • JohnEngelman

          Initially Archie was an unlikable bigot. Then Norman Lear decided the program would be more popular if Archie became a likable buffoon who meant well, but could not help being what he was.

          Archie tried to sound educated by using big words. Only he misused and mispronounced them.

          • Fathercoughlin

            I never fully GOT that show. Archie would say all kinds of bad stuff’bout blacks,mexicans,asians etc,and the audience would howl,as would my family. But we were surely NOT PC,my family was 1st generation Irish from the “wild west coast” where the people were the most poor and the English penetrated the least. My mom was in terror of blacks moving into our hood. We had no PC illusions. Yet my mom laughed uproariously at Archie ‘s opinions re blacks etc. We were laughing at the TRUTH of the opinions but also at the social faux pas of insouciantly SAYING this stuff. I am not sure if we were laughing at Archie or with him. He was hilariously ignorant and benighted,but still….he had good points…

          • JohnEngelman

            When “All in the Family” was current I liked it for the reasons I was intended to like it. I identified with Mike.

            When I watch reruns I see Mike as embodying shallow, intellectual arrogance. I think he should show respect for Archie. He is living in Archie’s home, after all. He is married to Archie’s daughter. I think he should try to understand why Archie has the opinions he does.

            Also, with a name like “Bunker” Archie is supposed to be descended from people who have lived in the United States for over two centuries. Think of Bunker Hill. I always thought Archie was more typical of Irish Americans.

            “All in the Family” and the movie”Joe” articulated the contempt affluent, well educated liberals developed for white blue collar workers during the late 1960’s. This contempt was perceived. It helped move white blue collar workers into the Republican Party.

            That move has made it difficult for Democrats to exploit what ought to be a winning issue for them, which is the growing income gap.

        • Augustus3709

          Of course. That show was an insight into the mind of people on the left. That is how they think “conservatives” are. They were projecting their biases onto fiction and calling it “comedy”.

          The entire show is a strawman.

          But ultimately the problem stems from who controls the media.

          • Fathercoughlin

            You KNOW who…

      • Pathfinder75

        No,that ignoble honor should go to the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965.

        • Tarczan

          That codified it.

      • cherrie greenbaum123

        When I look back on it all, it was most definitely a mind control type of thing. In a way it was blatantly obvious that Archie was the ignorant white buffoon whom we all need to scorn and laugh at. His haphazard wife, Edith, was supposedly representational of women around the age of 45 or 50. She could barely utter a coherent sentence other than the most rudimentary musings. All highly insulting, considering the mass market at that time in t.v. land was the 30-45 year old market. Typical of those who control that industry (I know better than to elude to their actual “religion”), they continue to bite the hand that feeds. Lessons apparently not learned 70 years ago….sigh…………………

        • pcmustgo

          Well, I am half jewish and on amren.

          • cherrie greenbaum123

            Not to scare you or anything, but my eyes would be on the “EXIT” door in this country if I were you. Right about now. Pretty soon, anyway. Just a word to the wise (men). Gnome sane?

          • pcmustgo

            BS, this is my home, through and through.

          • DaveMed

            Hopefully you can work some sense into some of your Jewish acquaintances, if you have any.

          • WR_the_realist

            There are the sensible Jews who post here, and then there are the other Jews who produce the TV shows and push for open borders. I don’t blame the Jews in the former group for the actions of the Jews in the latter group any more than I blame the average Catholic for Ten Kennedy and John Kerry.

        • robinbishop34

          Norman Lear was known for this type of subversive messaging throughout all his shows.

        • Luca

          Such a nice yiddish boy, that Norman Lear. From Wikipedia:

          “When Lear was 9 years old, his father went to prison for selling fake bonds.[7] Lear thought of his father as a “rascal” and said that the character of Archie Bunker was in part inspired by his father, while the character of Edith Bunker was in part inspired by his mother.[7] Lear grew up in a Jewish home and had a Bar Mitzvah ceremony.”

          If he were inspired by his parents why did he not make the Bunkers a Jewish family? A rhetorical question I assure you.

        • dd121

          Most people were laughing WITH Archie; not AT him. That’s why the show was so popular in the early years.

      • ding dong

        America had archie bunker, britain had love thy neighbour and Australia had kingswood country….all made white people look like racist idiots.

      • JohnEngelman

        I liked “All in the Family” when it was current. When I watch reruns I think that Mike should try to understand why Archie has the opinions he has, and that he should treat him with the respect Archie deserves as the patriarch of the family.

        If Mike had behaved the way I think he should have the program would have been less funny, but more insightful.

        “All in the Family,” and the movie “Joe” reflect the contempt affluent liberals developed in the late 1960’s and early 1970’s for white blue collar workers. This contempt was recognized by white blue collar workers, who stopped voting Democratic.

        The movement of white blue collar workers to the Republican Party resulted in the Republican ascendancy. This in turn has made it difficult for the Democratic Party to address issues that ought to benefit it, such as the growing income gap.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Exactly. The Democrats were the White Southern party in the old days, which was another way of saying the party of White racial realists and working Whites. The Democrats lost the support of White racial realists because the U. S. Government foisted integration on White Southerners against their will, and ignored the wishes of White Northerners against integration. Kennedy and Johnson started all of this. They were both Negrophilic sexual deviants who found, in the Negro culture, validation for their infidelity, fornication, and promiscuity. Irish Catholic and White Southern culture honored marriage, and expected a man to love and cherish his wife. Negro culture allowed and expected a man to be a giggolo: “Papa was a rolling stone my son. Wherever he laid his hat was his home”. Why wouldn’t a White giggolo be attracted to such a culture??

        • WR_the_realist

          The best way to reduce the growing income gap would be to slash immigration while removing some of the perverse accounting incentives that encourage outsourcing. But try to convince any Democratic politician of that. They’re convinced that what we need are ever more complex systems of transfer payments.

          • JohnEngelman

            I agree with you about immigrants and outsourcing. Although the Immigration Reform Act of 1965 and NAFTA were signed by Democratic presidents, they had Republican support in both houses of Congress.

            I am in also in favor of a more progressive tax system, a higher minimum wage and unemployment compensation, and stronger labor unions.

      • Sick of it

        One could say the serious attacks against white America began with certain immigrants in the 1920s. Or one could point to the Civil War.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          In the 1920’s?? Italian and Eastern European immigrants?? These folks are White, and have been an asset to America.

          • Sick of it

            Those who cannot be named.

          • LHathaway

            “These folks are White, and have been an asset to America”.

            Good for people of color.

      • LHathaway

        Your post was a least slightly humorous. If will may take a portion of it seriously for a moment, “Thus requiring white males, those who haven’t been thoroughly indoctrinated with feminism, homo-eroticism, and racial self-hate, to defend the remaining non-lesbo women who still have a stake in the continuation of this country”.

        Don’t count on it. Only the brainwashed ones would.

        ‘These television shows are being produced by those who, if they do not hate America first, then they have a smug contempt for American principles and values’ Jesse Helms 1970?

      • Pathfinder75

        I think another plausible candidate that could be implicated in launching a cultural attack on White America is the 1950s sitcom “I Love Lucy”,with it’s inherent promotion of miscegenation in the guise of a White, redheaded Lucy Ricardo (Lucille Ball) married to the dusky,dark-haired Cuban Ricky Ricardo (Desi Arnaz).

        • iberianpride

          Desi Arnaz was 100% White.

    • Luca

      As I view the California prison population chart I take note of the
      astronomical rise occurring from the 60’s through today. I see a direct
      correlation with the rise of civil rights activism, liberal journalism,
      college radicalism, welfare, drugs, pornography, the war in Vietnam and
      rampant immigration, all started under LBJ circa 1965.

      Only the war in Vietnam has diminished as the population ages.

      They could not defeat us on a battlefield so they subvert us from within.
      They keep us fighting among ourselves. And there is money to be made
      from it. And those who make the money, giggle amongst themselves all the
      way to the bank.

      To reverse this trend, the liberal zombies and Alinskyites must be purged from politics, media, and academia. Joe McCarthy was right. General Patton was right.

  • Atheist Realist

    throwing them in “the hole” is the solution to this.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Guards taking true control of the thug scum that population the prisons is what needs to happen. The druggies should be forced to cold turkey detox. So what if they die?? If they respected other humans, they would be busy working to make it in life the honest way. Any violence should be met with a beating. Guards should shoot these scum like rabid dogs if they incite violence.

      • The All Seeing Bry

        The non-violent drug offenders should not even be in prison in the first place. Take a look in the mirror, everyone makes mistakes, just because someone likes drugs does not mean they should die.

        Some close family members of mine reside in prison and drugs are readily available. If you are a druggie and you know you have ten years left in a cage don’t you think you might want to spend some of that time high rather than sober?

        Gangs do a much better job of keeping the peace than guards can ever do.

        • LHathaway

          So modern day Nazism should be promoted in prisons (as it has been) as a way to ‘keep the peace’? Or is your comment meant not to be taken completely seriously? You’re trying to out buffoon the buffoon?

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    I also don’t plan on going to prison, but find it reassuring that, should I find myself acting in self defense against some Negro thug, and would end up going, there would be racial segregation and a White gang to join.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Don’t be too quick to join a white gang like the AB especially if you’re doing short time. They may want you to kill another inmate or smuggle in drugs and then you can forget about being paroled anytime soon.

      Maybe our resident expert Michael Christopher Scott can chime in. I’d like to hear his take on these white gangs.

      • newscomments70

        They will also force you to commit crimes after being released, ultimately dooming you to a life in prison. if you try to quit, they mutilate you or kill your parents, family, etc.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Because most of these low lives are genetically and cognitively defective sociopaths who will never behave differently. Police need to shoot them on site like rapid dogs when they are guilty of either murder or rape. That they are allowed to sit in prison, where the money of hard earned taxpayers is squandered to feed them, is a crime in itself. These barrel scrapings of humanity belong six feet under. Zero tolerance. If we took such an approach, violent crime would be a negligible phenomenon in America.

          • newscomments70

            These subhumans ( of all races) rape, mutilate and murder people inside of prison. Their victims are nonviolent prisoners, guards and other prison employees. It is not fair to the taxpayers, nor prison employees to keep this scum alive. Furthermore, sometimes a non-violent prisoner will be forced to kill a lifer to avoid being raped. The choices for a non-violent prisoner are basically: get raped and acquire AIDS thus ending his life, or kill the potential rapist which carries a life sentence, thus ending his life. The law protects criminals and punishes the innocent.

          • ElComadreja

            Don’t feel too bad for the guards. They’re an integral part of the whole rotten system.

          • newscomments70

            Some guards are very brave and decent, but some are corrupt.

          • Parkinson, Sweet and Buchberger were fine corrections officers. We’d have any of those guys over for a nice dinner here and drinks on the patio afterward. Everyone liked Parkinson and the aptly-named Sweet. Buchberger was my boss in the chow-hall, working the 04:00 to noon shift, and he was good, too.

            There were some cruel CO’s, who just loved making us miserable, but while I still remember their constantly-angry faces, I don’t remember any of their names. The worst of them transferred to work at a federal USP – a max – somewhere in Kentucky, I think. He was just plain crazy. He started screaming at us once after dinner. There had been no P.A. announcement that the yard was closed after dinner, and we were smoking (tobacco) outside the door to the unit. We didn’t think we were doing anything wrong, and thus thought he must have been angry at someone else, so we only ran inside after he charged toward us. Larry, Dan and I got up three flights of stairs as if a nuclear-powered Hoover had sucked us though.

          • newscomments70

            I read a comment recently from a former prison guard (white male) in the Detroit area. He claims that the white females working in the system were race traitors. I’m not sure exactly what he meant, but I can imagine.

          • IBWHITE

            “Don’t feel too bad for the guards. They’re an integral part of the whole rotten system.”
            Not necessarily. Many guards are working class stiffs trying to put food on the table for a young family. I was one of them. You come into a system that’s either state or federally controlled and affirmative action is in full swing accompanied by political favoritism. It’s an absolute mess. You want to be warden? How many Democrat/Republican contributions have you made and do you have a Black vagina?
            The prison I worked at was roughly 25% White, 30% Hispanic and 45% Black. The rest of the states maximum security prisons were anywhere from 80 to 90% Black. If a White inmate got out of line his punishment was to be sent to a majority Black prison knowing full well that he would be assaulted the minute he got off the transfer bus. That was how they kept Whites in line.
            The Blacks…well they acted like Blacks do and many of them were in better health incarcerated than they were on the street. I recall officers having to physically remove a Black inmate from the facility grounds because his time was up and he was refusing to board the bus and leave.
            Working as a correctional officer opened my eyes to how evil people can be, both in and out of the uniform.

          • Some of the federal guards and staff were OK, but I never forgot that I was wearing khaki and they were wearing blue or grey. One of the corrections officers was a newbie and suggested on my way out of the chow hall that I come to him if anyone picked on me. Nobody picked on me, and I wouldn’t go to a guard, anyway. Maybe he was gay, or perhaps just meant well, but I wanted to finish my time and get it over with. I was wearing my uniform, he was wearing his, and that’s all there was to it. I didn’t regard him as an enemy, just because he was a federal corrections officer, but he certainly wasn’t my friend, precisely because he was one.

          • Timothy Adams

            It’s called fight, f88k, or die. And yes, if you are a lone, white male and you go to any medium/maximum security facility–you will be sexually assaulted, robbed, beaten in, or other types of abuse unless you pound some heads and knife a few offenders. Get used to the fact that the system of order this writer gushes about is set up to ensure an inmate “plays by the rules” and that includes doing as much of your sentence as possible and staying a lifetime criminal. This article is disgusting. Gangs are not “order” for prisons, gangs are the prime indicator that the state does not enforce order in prison.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        I would like to hear from Michael Christopher Scott on this as well. Good old White Southern boys took the right approach years ago with Negroes, as did Italians in their neighborhoods. No misbehavior was tolerated by Negroes in their neighborhoods. Negroes always stayed out of Little Italy, especially, as their trouble making was afforded zero leeway. In my opinion, prison guards should rule with an iron hand, and our criminal justice system needs to return to the old days of zero tolerance. Murderers and Rapists should be shot on site by police. They have forfeited their right to live. There would be very little violence in our society if we took this type of approach.

        • Were I was locked up wasn’t a bad place. A fellow who minded his own business and had four or five friends with similar interests would be left alone. There was a larger (white) group of us receiving books from the outside, and we’d circulate those. My friends and I talked about hot rod builds we’d like to do once we got home. I planned my own out in a lined composition notebook I had bought from the commissary. I still have that, and my next will involve the wreck of an old Volvo P1800 coupe I scored. It was originally going to get a 400 cid. small-block Chevy, but I have recently been thinking in terms of the whole drive train, instead, with a Ford 351 stroked out to 427, a six-speed Tremec TKO transmission and an 8.8-inch Ford rear end. Nobody of any race bothered us gear-heads. I planned out a car build for one of the Mexicans to mail to his younger brother. It was expensive, but the kid did it, and later wrote back to say he was afraid to floor it. I received a book of postage stamps and two packs of “Black & Mild” cigars.

          Would a hood scoop on a Volvo P1800 be tacky? I have picked out the color, a dark “hammered iron”, which would still leave it a vaguely European look. I’m thinking about artillery wheels, too.

          This won’t quite be “The Saint’s” car.

          I also ran a study group for guys working on their GEDs, which quickly earned me the nickname “Professor”. We’d each screwed up in our own particular fashion, but making it worse seemed completely idiotic, so we didn’t. We were stuck there, as there has been no parole in the feds since 1986. Sometimes it could be quite pleasant. A bunch of the Mexicans developed a quite good Mariachi band, and would they play on the rec yard when the weather was nice. We thus had live music some evenings after dinner.

          I have been home over 11 years and off paper for eight, but I miss some of those guys, and wish I had met them under happier circumstances. I suspect the old convict code was alive and well at Ft. Worth, as there were no gangs.

      • The All Seeing Bry

        Most of the things they ask you to preform will give you a week or two trip to “the hole”.

        Prison violence also heavily depends on the prison you are incarcerated in.

  • Latino Nationalist

    Racial tensions arose soon after the Los Angeles riots. On the corner of Florence and Normandie blacks beat both White and Latino motorists. The Mexican Mafia did not appreciate that. Shortly after, the Mexican Mafia contracted MS13 to murder the family of Damien Williams the fella that hit Reginald Denny in the head with a brick. They also ordered latino gangs to burn the homes of African American residents. Believe it or not Whites and Latinos are Caucusing together inside prison walls.

    • JohnEngelman

      I have found that immigrants are more likely to be hostile to blacks than whites whose ancestors have lived in the United States for generations. There is no such thing as an immigrant liberal guilt complex.

      For economic reasons immigrants usually have to live and work with, and close to blacks. That proximity dispels illusions.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Yes. This has been true for generations. George Corley Wallace received his largest number of votes, by far, in a Northern state, on the South side of Milwaukee from Polish and Serbian Americans. They were dealing with Negroes at work, and watching Negroes destroy Milwaukee’s North side, which had been mostly German American until recent years. If more Northern Whites had witnessed such Negro problems at such a close range, my belief is that Wallace would have had many more votes. Many Whites on Cleveland’s West side also voted for Wallace for this same reason. Negroes were destroying Cleveland’s East side, wrecking formerly Polish and Hungarian neighborhoods. Many Polish Americans were attacked and/or fought back against Negroes in the late sixties in Cleveland during the riots the Blacks caused. Frankie Yankovic’s old neighborhood, Collingwood, was mostly Slovenian/Slavic European back then, and was nice. Now, Collingwood is an all Black slime pit.

        • The All Seeing Bry

          There are still a few Slovenian/Slavic “old people homes” and a few bitter clinging Italians that live in Collinwood. North side of Lakeshore Ave. is still decent due to the expensive houses built in the early-mid 1900’s.

          Besides that, dark as coal.

        • Jon

          We are never taught that in school just that the poor blacks are always the victim and they did nothing wrong. I have heard that most people’s dislike of them does stem from how they interacted with them. Most people do want to live apart from black and the inner cities attest to this fact all to well.

      • WR_the_realist

        True enough. I never see Mexicans or Asians (Indian or Oriental) get all weepy eyed about black people. That’s strictly for white liberals.

        • Alec Ryan

          Look at how the Chinese behave in Africa: hard-headed, no bullshit, no pandering or patronizing like Bono or Bob Geldof. And the blacks behave better with that firm hand: and profit from it. If American whites acted more like the Chinese towards blacks, a lot of racial BS would disappear.

          • Augustus3709

            Funny thing is Whites used to be harder too. What changed? The enemy mainstream media came into existence, and they took over the universities. Too many peopled lived in comfort and got soft. Also I think the World Wars gave the White Race PTSD, killing off much of the masculine genetics, in addition to centuries of Christianity which shaped people to be loving, generous and forgiving. Then there’s the chemicals and hormones in the food and water, although I wonder whether or not the rioting blacks are getting enough fluoride.

          • ElComadreja

            Interesting. We’ve certainly lost the plot since WWII. A form of collective PTSD is plausible.

          • rebelcelt

            I think it is our need for order. When we were on a frontier or in a war , we fought to have order. Once law and society is reached, we expect the authorities to do their job. Now, authority has failed us miserably and we are at a loss to do something.

          • DNA Explains It All

            Perhaps “purple drank” they love counteracts the fluorine?

          • Pathfinder75

            “Chinese”

            It’s good to know there’s at least one group of people that knows how to keep Africans in their place.

      • Latino Nationalist

        I agree!

      • Justin

        American Blacks see illegals as a threat to their welfare pie.

    • gemjunior

      Well, what happened in that case? I never knew that Damien Williams’ family was murdered by MS-13. Did it actually take place I wonder?

      • Latino Nationalist

        They weren’t murdered but at the time there was a contract out on them. What happen on the corner of Florence and Normandie really upset a lot of people. For example, in the Ramona Gardens housing projects, several homes belonging to African Americans were firebombed shortly after the LA riots.

      • ElComadreja

        I’ve always suspected that Reginald Denny was paid off to keep his mouth shut and embrace that bastard’s mammy in court. He won’t talk about it to this day.

        • Except he sued the city of Los Angeles but lost. If he was paid off, then he wouldn’t need to be ekeing out a living today doing a boat rental business in Lake Havasu City, Arizona.

      • Cid Campeador

        I wonder if Cobbins and Davidson could be transferred to Corcoran State, San Quentin or Soledad. Maybe the “eses” could shank them in the ” Yard”. Let’s throw in in the Carr brothers as well.

        • gemjunior

          Oh, that would be so sweet to have them shanked, or maybe a white gang could meet up with them in the bathroom and give them the Abner Louima treatment, because if anyone deserves it it’s those guys. I wouldn’t shed one H2O + NaCl molecule over it. In fact, I would throw a party. If the latin gangs get there first, I would be just as thankful to them for disposing of the type of trash that would violate white youngsters the way they did. I know I shouldn’t say this about negroes – that they are animals – because it insults the animals who are generally very clean living. Negroes are like hyenas if you had to compare them to a specific animal.

    • Nancy

      Good for them. I never knew that.

    • IBWHITE

      I have known high ranking White shot callers in Hispanic gangs. The Latin Kings have many White members and often align themselves with White gangs to war with the Blacks. One of the larger White gangs in our facility had a high ranking half White/Hispanic member who hated Blacks and spent most of his time in segregation for attacking Black inmates.

      • Timothy Adams

        Where I was living up around South Chicago, the Latino gangs were divided into “people” and “folk”. The people gangs like the LKs would have white hispanic/non-hispanic members, while the folks, or raza gangs, tended to be Latinos only. I never saw any of the AA gangs, like the Disciples or Crips have any non-black members.

        • IBWHITE

          Yes that’s my observation also. Folks sporting “blue” colors or dew rags, like Black disciples, Latin Disciples etc. were non-White in their membership. But “people”, Vice-Lords, Latin Kings (yellow and black colors) and others would sometimes have White members – The Kings more frequently than the Vice-Lords.

          I once questioned a high ranking White member of the LK’s about this and he stated that he was raised in a Latino neighborhood and was accepted as one of their own. Another White LK member told me he “rode” with the Kings because there simply were no White gangs in the facility he was locked up in. He added that early in his sentence he once met another White inmate in Stateville cc and they spoke like old friends because it had been years since he had been around another White man.

  • Latino Nationalist

    Whites and Latinos are actually pretty in the prison system. Latinos usually defend White inmates from black violence.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      I like the sound of this. I know that Latinos have run the Negroes out of a number of cities, and greatly reduced the crime in those cities.

      • Latino Nationalist

        Sorry I meant to say “pretty close.” Yes but blacks have moved on to places like Palmdale and San Bernardino County.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          The cities in Ohio need Latinos to run the Negroes out of town. They would all move to PA and NY, where a lot of Wbites have Negrophilia.

          • Pathfinder75

            “The cities in Ohio need Latinos to run the Negroes out of town.”

            Why recruit Latinos to do something that our fellow Whites should be doing themselves? Latinos tend to bring a lot of genetic and cultural baggage of their own.

        • pcmustgo

          What kind of Latino are you? How white? How Amer-ind? Any Black in you?

          • Latino Nationalist

            Both my maternal and paternal grandparents arrived in Mexico from Spain.

          • robinbishop34

            Then you are technically European.

          • pcmustgo

            yeah, and who’d they breed with once they arrived?

          • Brutus

            It sounds to me like he’s saying all four of his biological grandparents were Spaniards.

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            In other words, you are of Latin European descent. Unless you have some South American Indian in your ancestry, I would consider you a White guy. I have a good friend who is from Puerto Rico, but is 100% Spaniard extraction. He is a strong racial realist, has no use for Negroes.

          • HE2

            If your grandparents or mother and father did not miscegenate with a metizo or Central American indian during their sojourn in Mexico, you are a White European.
            Welcome.

        • rebelcelt

          Eventually, every other race turns against the negro. All races are different, but there is something abot the black race that eventually tires out everybody, even the good of their own kind.

      • Anna Tree

        The Hidden Motive for Heavy Immigration? by Ron Unz:

        “America’s ruling financial, media, and political elites are largely
        concentrated in three major urban centers—New York City, Los Angeles, and Washington, D.C.—and all three have contained large black populations, including a violent underclass. […] In each city, the violence and crime were overwhelmingly committed by black males, and although white elites were rarely the victims, their fears were quite palpable.

        One obvious reaction to these concerns was strong political support for a massive national crackdown on crime, and the prison incarceration of black men increased by almost 500% during the two decades after 1980. But even after such enormous rates of imprisonment, official FBI statistics indicate that blacks today are still over 1,000% more likely to commit homicide than non-blacks and their robbery rate is nearly 1,500% larger; these disparities seem just as high with respect to
        Hispanic or Asian immigrants as they are for whites. Thus, replacing a city’s blacks with immigrants would tend to lower local crime rates by as much as 90%, […]

        According to Census data, between 1990 and 2010 the number of Hispanics and Asians increased by one-third in Los Angeles, by nearly 50% in New York City, and by over 70% in Washington, D.C. The inevitable result was to squeeze out much of the local black population, which declined, often substantially, in each location. And all three cities experienced enormous drops in local crime, with homicide rates falling by 73%, 79%, and 72% respectively, perhaps partly as a result of these underlying
        demographic changes. Meanwhile, the white population increasingly shifted toward the affluent, who were best able to afford the sharp rise in housing prices. It is an undeniable fact that American elites, conservative and liberal alike, are today almost universally in favor of very high levels of immigration, and their possible recognition of the direct demographic impact upon their own urban circumstances may be an important but unspoken factor in shaping their views.”

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Exactly. Hispanic neighborhoods have higher violent crime than White c neighborhoods, but a fraction of the amount of crime of Black neighborhoods. The South American Indians, or Bronze race, are nowhere near as regressive. Or violent as Negroes.

        • LHathaway

          The net result: affirmative action females marry other men of color, instead of black men. It’s a way they can express their concern for black families in crisis.

        • WR_the_realist

          And where do those blacks get squeezed to, who can no longer afford to live in New York City, Los Angeles, or Washington, D.C.? The inner suburbs that whites of more ordinary income and status live in. Once again, the elites screw over the white working and middle class.

        • JohnEngelman

          The movement of Hispanics into my largely black and consequently dangerous city has been beneficial. Hispanics start shops and restaurants, including a restaurant I patronize frequently. They also stand up to black criminals.

          • HE2

            JE, you do not mind your food being handled by someone who does not understand the basics of hygiene, that hands must be washed after toileting, picking the nose, touching the face, hair, mouth, etc?
            Or your Mexican restaurant hiring low wage food prep workers who stand a good chance of 1] being illegal and unscreened for infectious diseases, 2] carrying occult various varieties of hepatitides, or chagas, babeseosis, or my personal medical favorite, human feces carrying brain worm.
            I do. No thanks, I will prepare my own ethnic food.

          • ElComadreja

            Amen to that. What goes on in an average restaurant, especially one that employs non-whites, will literally make you sick.

          • Henry Higgins

            They’re sociopathic to white women, rest assured. But then again, so are you anyway. As someone obsessed with Asian women perhaps it’s best for you to limit your ‘expertise’ comments to how Hispanics treat white men, although even there your input conflicts with real cases of anti-white male violence committed by Hispanics in my state.

        • Nancy

          I recall reading in Mark Stein’s book “America Alone” that part of the rationale for keeping the borders open, and aligning with Central and South America, is because Islam is running rampant through Asia, Africa, and Europe. Since Hispanic/Latinos aren’t likely to convert to Islam due to the heavy presence of Catholicism in their culture, some “leaders” find it prudent not to alienate those who live south of the border, since we may be the only non-Muslim nations in the future. So we “need” them, in a sense, as a “buffer” to worldwide Muslim domination.

          It’s been a while since I read the book, but that was one of the themes I remember.

      • JohnEngelman

        Whites are much safer in Hispanic neighborhoods than are blacks.

        • Henry Higgins

          And you would know this how, John? Ever lived in one? Tell that to the average ‘anglo’ fair-haired woman having to survive around the Hispanics.

        • Pathfinder75

          I have lived in predominantly Hispanic neighborhoods here in SoCal ever since I was about 8 years old (I turn 40 next year),and I can tell you from personal experience that your assumption is dreadfully naïve and dangerously ignorant, especially,as HH has mentioned (and Brenda Walker has often written about at VDARE),as it relates to the “mistreatment” of White females by Hispanic males.

          There are a lot of “bad things” that happen here that are never reported on the nightly news,in the daily newspaper, or even on the Internet…

          • Henry Higgins

            White women rejected John so he endorses diversity’s abuse of them.

          • Fathercoughlin

            He came up short…

    • propagandaoftruth

      Hey, welcome.

      Despite my morphing into a White Nationalist over the last few years…more a me and mine thing than an anti-other thing I guess…and the fact that I want to severely limit immigration…

      I’m not anti-Hispanic. Was married to one, lived down there. Get along pretty well with most. Proficient in Spanish, you know. I also consider a lot of Hispanics to be White, or depending on how the live, close enough.

      One thing I noticed when teaching in a school with a significant population of Latinos. Most were pretty OK with me. Big White guy, you know, barely dark enough to pass for high Hispanic myself, especially when I started blabbing the stuff incessantly. Most of the boys were not stellar academics, but they were generally far better behaved than the negroes, even actually better behaved than some silly White boys.

      Except this one I remember. Boriqua punk. Acted more like a negro. I was getting to the end of my rope one day and vented a little in another class to a very well behaved young Hispanic man who I liked and talked to a lot. Good kid, very respectful. He took notice and asked me what the problem was, then promised me I’d not have to worry about that kid anymore.

      I didn’t think much about it but sure enough, that little boriqua ghetto rat started acting half human and stayed out of my way after that, and my little buddy asked me from time to time how things were going with the boriqua.

      Back then and there it was the Latin Kings, and he was the head of it at that school and I never had problems with Latino kids after that.

      • Latino Nationalist

        I’ve had several issues with Boriquas who think they are black. For the most part Latinos are not inherently violent towards Whites.

        • propagandaoftruth

          I’ve had several issues with Boriquas who think they are black.
          ————————–
          Some are black, you know? In my experience they range from Congoid to Martin Sheen. Like in most of Latin America, the elites tend to be very White, usually with some high mestizo.

          Now I lived in Costa Rica, mind you, and my suegro’s people were very Castillian. There was a tiny bit of indio in la suegra. Only twice was I really confused with some form of Latino. Once a Miami Cubano, once an Argentine when I was having an argument with an Italian bar owner and my chameleonic sociopathy came out, making me sound Argentine I guess.

          The main thing that differentiated me beyond my gringo aura was the fact that I felt like the biggest gorilon blanco in the country, especially next to my tiny, insanely jealous wife.

          Got along better with my in-laws than with her ultimately, lol…

    • Henry Higgins

      Baloney.

  • dave

    All these mutts should be fed bread and water, no recreational time,no weights, etc. They are in prision, not a country club. If the ACLU protests, defund them and jail them too.

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      Yes. They are the scum of society. There is a reason the guards abhor these barrel scrapings. The guards should be allowed to beat the snot out of them when necessary, and shoot them like rapid dogs when necessary. This is how to reclaim control of our society.

  • Harry

    How would inmates at a prison react, if on the bulletin board for the prisoners, the guards were to post notices of festivals, concerts, plays, art exhibitions, ball games and other events happening in the local town just outside of the penitentiary?

    In prison, you absolutely have to stick with your own race, not matter how much of a gung-ho liberal you are. This is so much so, that it often happens where Jews and anti-semitic neo-Nazis. Ku Klux Klan members, and other Aryan Brotherhood prisoners have to put aside their animosities and extremely different opinions, in order to work together to survive in the harsh, 24/7 dangerous environment of prison.

    Hypothetically, what happens when a typical, naive young white man, a black wannabe with a passion for the black, hip-hop culture, goes to prison. Not being aware of the strict racial separation rules, he dangerously crosses the color line by going to where the black inmates congregate. approaches the big, tall macho leader of the prison’s black gang, attempts to high-five him and says something like “hey bro, whats happening!”?

    After you are released from prison, or even if you get a suspended sentence, you are still not completely free, upon your release into society. As a convicted felon in free society, you will still have to live in a portable prison, because of the many legal restrictions you now must live under for the rest of your life. Unless of course, you are lucky enough to get a Presidential pardon, but that is a stroke of luck like winning a lottery jackpot.

    As a convicted felon, you cannot practice law, medicine, finance and banking, run businesses that serve alcohol, and there are other many other professions that are now off-limits to you. But, even in those jobs you can legally hold, being a convicted felon, will still make it next to impossible to even find a job. Also, you cannot vote, unless you can get relief from that restriction, which varies from state to state. You cannot own or even handle firearms, and even if you have a passport, certain countries will not let you visit there. For example, as a convicted felon Martha Stewart had to apply for a convicted felon visa, and even then she was turned down. Whereas, I only need my passport to visit Canada and Great Britain.

    It is my intention to avoid prison, stay on the right side of the law, unless of course I am wrongfully and unjustly convicted for a crime I did not commit. Yes, it often happens where the innocent are found guilty for crimes they did not commit, go to prison, and become convicted felons, through no fault of their own. Just see what happens as you experience such a tragic fate if you if you get into the car of a supposed friend who has illegal drugs on their person, a policeman stops the car and presto! You are sent to prison and rendered a convicted felon through no fault of your own, even though you did not know about the illegal drugs

    At the other end of the spectrum, it also happens where the guilty have their lawyers successfully defend them, or the jury makes an error in judgement, and then those who actually did commit their crimes are acquitted!

    But, dear readers of my comment you may say that it is unfair about innocent people being guilty and guilty people getting acquitted. Come on, dear fellow American Renaissance online supporters, all of us here are old enough to know there is no Santa Claus and we do not live in the parallel universe of THE BRADY BUNCH!

    • pcmustgo

      I read on amren a long time ago that Jews in prison fit in with no race, as they are not accepted by the Blacks or the Whites? Please tell me, I am half jewish btw.

      • Harry

        Thank you for correcting me. I will admit I was sincerely wrong. Perhaps, I read incorrect sources of information about prison life.

        Now that you have told me this, I just cannot help, but feel deeply sorry for any Jew who is wrongfully convicted and sent to prison for a crime, he or she did not commit. As for Bernard Madoff, the “Son of Sam” David Berkowitz, or any other Jew guilty of committing a serious crime, and especially for any Jewish pedophile guilty of molesting any child, Jewish or non-Jewish, that filthy bastard has gotten what he or she justly deserves!

        There is a double-standard in the media, Roman Catholic priests who molest children are over the media, But, at the same time Protestant ministers, Jewish rabbis, Mormon bishops, and Muslim clerics who molest children are usually ignored by the media, except in exclusive publications like Freethought Today, published by the Freddom from Religion Foundation, of which I am a member.

        Now I have another question, if Jews do not fit in with any race in prison, What about Jewish converts to Christianity who refer to themselves as “Messianic Jews” who are sent to prison? Are they rejected by other Jews as well as the Christian majority in the prison population?

        pcmustgo, even though many devoutly religious people often accuse atheists of being more likely to become criminals, with the false accusation that atheists have no morals because they do not believe in God, there are far religious people in our prisons, than atheists. And no, they did not have their “born again” conversions in prison, They were devoutly religious before they were sent to prison.

        I once met a “born again” Christian who told me of how when he was “backslidden from the Lord” he robbed a bank under the influence of the illegal drug known as “speed”.

        As for myself, I was born into a non-religious Reform Jewish family in 1956. At the age of 19 in 1975, in a typical 1970s thing like a lot of young people who at that time who were joining religious cults, I fell into the “Messianic Jewish” cult myself. You can imagine how upset and furious my family was. Then in 1981, I went through a long and difficult struggle to get my head together and leave this religious cult. In 1983, I joined the Freedom from Religion Foundation and I have been a member ever since. I often visit the website of my online friends at the website of http://www.exchristian,net

        Again, thank you very much for correcting me about how Jews in prison do not fit into any race Black, White, or Hispanic.

        • Sick of it

          Protestant ministers don’t need media attention because they tend to go to prison for kiddie diddling. They aren’t protected by a massive multinational organization.

          • HE2

            Very true, Sick. I have researched this issue, wondering how clerical sexual abuse is handled in other denominations considering the well publicized cases of abuse involving R.C. clergy. It seems there is a double standard in play.
            I found the following:
            Catholic canon law requires record-keeping. Close records are maintained on everything, including priests’ parish locations, abuse reports, any form of misconduct.
            It is so easy to track priests, that immediately a lawsuit is filed, documents are available that reveal any history of accusations against a given priest.
            With decentralized, fundamentalist, independent protestant religions, no one is keeping any records for necessary review.
            How would anyone know whether a particular minister had any abuse reports made against him? Even if someone made a report, where would it be filed? Would it even be kept? What system is there?
            None.

            When a decentralized, independent church’s clergyman is suspected or accused of abuse, he is asked to move on. There is no disciplinary hierarchy, no central record keeping office where a file tracking his current location, previous pastoral assignment history, credentials, theological education, incidents involving accusations or improprieties, is kept.
            Hence, no possibility for immediate review and address by appropriate legal prosecution. All is kept hush hush.
            He goes free, no one the wiser.

          • Sick of it

            Asked to move on? We call the police about such things around here.

        • pcmustgo

          Well, yeah, atheism tends to be an upper middle class white thing. Most working class people of all races are religious. Most Blacks and Latinos are religious.

        • Stan D Mute

          I have it on excellent first hand authority that Jews are “white” in prison. Indeed, if they chose not to advertise their faith, how would anyone know? The average convict isn’t exactly smart enough to realize that “Goldstein” is an exclusively Jewish name. Arabs are also “white.” Orientals are “white.” Basically anybody not negro is allowed to caucus with white convicts. Much of this is just numbers. Prisons try to load balance. So populations will be 50% negro and 50% everyone else. Whites are just happy to see another con who isn’t a negro.

          People who haven’t done time can’t really understand what it’s like to live with negroes 24/7. Military guys may get a taste in basic training, but it’s far more regimented than prison where negroes are permitted to go full (deleted) all the time.

          My friend’s experience is with a low mestizo state system, but the mestizos there caucused with the whites. They were separate on the yard, but white in the chow hall or anywhere the population was forced together.

      • Latino Nationalist

        Several years ago I did an internship (Social Work Major) in the Los Angeles county jail, and since then I become interested on the topic. In the state of California , Jews and Armenians are brought into the Latino camp. Asians are protected by Black inmates. White and Latino inmates usually stick together whenever a race riot breaks out.

        • pcmustgo

          I’m shocked Asians would go with Blacks instead of w/ Whites n’ Latinos… hmmm…

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          That makes sense. Armenians are White, but usually have thick black, brown eyes and Olive complexion. They have to survive, and not be targets for the Blacks. Other than the Kartrashians, Armenians usually have no use for Negroes. Turks also have very little use for Negroes.

          • silviosilver

            There is considerable racial variety among Armenians. Some have those oily features, but a significant number look very fair. They are a fairly loyal identity group outside prison so I wonder how their racial differences are handled once inside. Affiliating with whites might be somewhat uncomfortable for the oilier types, while affiliating with latinos is bound to be tough going for the fairer types.

          • LexiconD1

            Turks are not white, they are Arabs.

          • Augustus3709

            Turkey has like 4 ethnic groups in it. Not surprisingly, the elite of the Ottomans were mostly White.

        • silviosilver

          Is that just the general tendency or is it some kind of absolute rule? Do middle easterners do the same or have they attempted to carve out their own place?

          • Latino Nationalist

            As far as Armenians, it’s an absolute rule because they have taken under the wing of the Mexican Mafia. They are treated as equals by all Latino inmates. As far as Jews go, it’s more of a general tendency to hangout with Latino inmates. I guess you can say they are intimidated by swastika tattoos. Middle Easterners tend to associate with Black Muslim inmates (religion).

          • I suspect it depends on the social dynamics within a given facility. Where I was locked up, the Amerinds and Orientals hung out with the whites. Muslims of any race hung out with the blacks.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Common sense tells me that Jews are just White guys in prison. If you are racially Caucasian, Blacks will view you as White. Blacks certainly view Jews as Whites outside of prison.

        • pcmustgo

          Yeah, but how do whites in prison view jews?

  • “Prison gangs are concentrated in California and Texas, which have large, mixed-race prison populations. Dr. Skarbek writes that 70 percent of members are in those two states.”

    A fine review, but I wonder why states like New York, Michigan and Florida would have insufficiently large, mixed-race prison populations?

  • Tim_in_Indiana

    One thing I never understood is why aren’t all prisoners simply committed to solitary confinement? Aside from prison segregation, it seems like this would be the simplest way of solving all these problems. Perhaps some would call this “cruel and unusual punishment”, but, perhaps because I am somewhat of an introvert myself, I don’t see what would be so terrible about it. Besides, who wants to associate with a bunch of criminals anyway? Simply confine every criminal to his own cell 24/7. Meals could be brought to the cell. The prisoner wants to exercise? That can be done in his cell. All these problems – drug dealing, beatings, stabbings, shootings, rape, complex social codes, racial friction, etc., would be ameliorated if not eliminated by this simple expedient. Criminals are criminals; they are in jail for a reason and they don’t deserve to be coddled by such niceties as social interaction, outdoor sunshine breaks, weight rooms and the like.

    • The Dude

      It’s still cruel and unsual punishment even for an introverted person. Social interactions and seeing the light of the day are not niceties but necessary things for one’s psychological and/or mental sanity.

      They’re deprived of their freedom and they’re isolated from the larger society: that’s the punishment. If one thinks one deserves more, then a longer sentence is the way to go. Anything beyond that is cruel and unusual in my opinion.

      • Sick of it

        Cruel and unusual punishment huh? We used to hang these men without blinking an eye. We didn’t have to put up with as much violent crime.

        • The Dude

          That doesn’t make it right. Even in today’s more efficient and fairer trials, we’re still sending 4% of innocent people on death row.

          I know the “quick, let’s put a rope around that motherf****r’s neck and get it over with” is an attractive solution for many, but it’s not the best way to go. There’s a reason even the most backward countries nowadays have gone past that.

          • Sick of it

            Yes, because criminals run the world. Under this current system, you can caught murdering someone in cold blood and has the witness testimony thrown out as hearsay. You can have video evidence thrown out. No wonder we have violence everywhere without end. It’s nice that you care mor for criminals than their victims, but that doesn;’t mean I should suffer for it. Or my family. And we have suffered much.

          • The Dude

            We have always had violence everywhere without end, even in times where capital punishment was way more common. Our past is manifold more violent than our present, even if you count the World Wars*. There’s no evidence corporal punishment deters crime.

            What remains of these regressive methods is a mere base lust for vengence, which I understand. But I’d rather not give in to it when I can.

            I didn’t say you should suffer for it. I didn’t suggest we should let criminals roam the streets. On the contrary, I’m for longer sentences, which are cheaper to enforce than death sentences in today’s system.

            —————————–
            *edge(dot)org/3rd_culture/pinker07/pinker07_index(dot)html

          • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

            I disagree. While I certainly respect your right to your opinion, and strongly believe that the tolerance of divergent ideologies is one of the most important components of Western lands, I completely disagree. Law and order, in White European homelands, needs to again be enforced with an iron hand. This does not make us regressive. It merely makes us strict. A Homicidal Maniac has foreited their right to walk this earth, IMO, when they savagely and wantonly snuffed out the life of another. Not enforcing law and order with an iron hand, IMO, has only pandered to and enabled Black sociopathy. Leftist hippies who want us to go easy on criminals are naive. Such ideologies may work okay in all White havens like Vermont, but permit far too much violence when we have Africa in our Midst. The only thing Africanus Criminalis understands and respects is iron handed, uncompromising enforcement of the law.

          • LHathaway

            I don’t know about death row cases, but some of these people getting out are getting out because there isn’t the right kind of proof they did the crime. There is doubt. There are probably a greater number of innocent people in jail, but some of those being released and being held up as ‘innocent’ likely did do it.

        • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

          Yes. We need to again put homicidal maniacs to death.

      • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

        Cruel and unusual?? What I find cruel and unusual is killing another person, or willfully violating a woman. Homicidal maniacs deserve to die. My heart goes out to the person who died and their loved ones. The homicidal maniac deserves nothing but death. They have forfeited their right to walk this earth. Christianity’s weakest link is forgiveness being afforded to the homicidal maniac. Muslims have it right on this issue. Homicidal maniacs deserve to eat a bullet, and rot in hell.

      • LHathaway

        There are still 1 million white men in prison.

        • The Dude

          What’s your point?

    • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

      If the police would simply shoot all rapists and murderers, taxpayers would not waste our money feeding these worthless scum.

  • Paleoconn

    In movies, you always see 9 Whites for every black in prison, and the Whites are all neo Nazis picking on the innocent, weak blacks.

  • Garrett Brown

    Ill be rooting for the Brotehrhood.

    A depressing yet very accurate review, there is however some sunshine to notice-

    When whites are backed into a corner they can no longer flee (white flight) away from, they band together and defend themselves. They fight for their own.

    There is still some hope left. We still have warrior blood in our race.

  • pcmustgo

    Ok, but just an fyi, I recently met 2 different white men online who had both done prison time, one in CT for 3 years, the other I think in NJ, but I’m not sure, and both had had very positive experiences with Black Muslims. One had a very pleasant Black Muslim roommate, the other had a Black Muslim rescue him from being raped by some sexual predator (not sure what race the predator was). The one who did time in CT mentioned most people self-segregated, but most beefs were within the race, blacks fighting with blacks, whites with whites, latinos with latinos, etc, and their was minimal racial tension. I think the high security prisons for people doing serious time have more racial tension (? ).

    • Sick of it

      That would surprise me, considering how much black muslims hate white people. Farrakhan’s friends are not our friends (i.e. Obama).

    • ATBOTL

      Black Muslim inmates are often the more intelligent blacks. The violent, ignorant morons who are most likely to abuse whites tend to be bloods, crips, gangster disciples and other street gangs.

      Black Muslim groups are often made up of black inmates who need protection because they are not a blood, crip etc. or are from a smaller city without any homeboys there.

      Note that during the 1960’s, this was all different. Black Muslim groups then largely existed to get revenge on whitey.

    • The All Seeing Bry

      There is racial tension in every prison. This does not mean one can’t live peacefully in a cell with one of a different race or help another human being.

      Level 1,2,3,4 prisons are very different. Level 1-2 are similar to college dorms. 4 is maximum security and racial tensions are often very high.

      When you are serving time, and have a chance of getting out soon you just want to do your time, cause no problems, and get out.

      It is smart, and most of the time demanded that you show respect to your fellow prisoners. Like the article said, most everyone wants to avoid war, but sometimes prisoners do stupid/disrespectful things and war in inevitable.

  • pcmustgo

    Mental hospitals are also full of racial tension and racial problems.

  • pcmustgo

    lol

  • JohnEngelman

    Prison gangs…are particularly clear evidence that man’s tribal nature instinctively expresses itself in the form of racial segregation.

    – Jared Taylor, American Renaissance, December 12, 2014

    This is probably true when the worst members of each race are forced to interact. I have not found it to be true in a work environment where blacks, Hispanics, and women owe their positions to merit, rather than affirmative action policies.

    Allowing non whites and women to compete, and requiring them to compete fairly, reduces opportunities for white men. Nevertheless – and perhaps for that reason – it increases the productivity of an organization as a whole.

    • Evette Coutier

      Nonsense. Affluent non-whites segregate by choice as well. The congressional black caucus is an obvious example.

      Your suggestion that allowing non-whites to compete reduces opportunities for white men is a red herring argument. No one is debating that point. The issue is that self segregation is the natural order of human nature. Segregation has even been documented as natural behavior among babies. See Baby Lab for details. Desegregation has no history of success. All evidence points to the notion that overall desegregation increases racial conflict.

      • LHathaway

        ‘desegregation’ is currently a success for non-whites.

        • Evette Coutier

          How do you mean?

          • LHathaway

            Hispanics are the majority in California and Texas. Soon to be in Arizona and New Mexico? Blacks are a majority in Louisiana. Soon to be in Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia and South Carolina. This process of ‘cleansing’ whites will only increase while the process of ‘diversification’ in even states like Montana and Washington will increase until whites become a minority there, too. Whites are already a minority in Seattle, are they not? This is success for non-whites and failure for whites. Even someone who is not a Darwinist can see this?
            Save your white supremacy non-sense for when whites have their own nation or reservation in North America in the Pacific Northwest. Then tell us how peaceful, productive and ‘altruistic’ whites are. Better yet, prove it.

          • Evette Coutier

            What are you talking about? I noted people naturally segregate. I never said anything about minority population growth, desegregation as a successful strategy, white supremacy, altruistic white behavior, or anything else you carried on about. Just how is observing that people naturally self-segregate a refusal to accept reality? You need to take it easy before you give yourself a stroke.

          • LHathaway

            haha, I may at that. If I may quote you, you said, “Desegregation has no history of success”. That was your complete entire sentence. My reply was that desegregation is a success for non-whites. “Just how is observing that people naturally self-segregate a refusal to accept reality”? I think you will find large numbers of white women are not self-segregating. This is the only issue. Inability to see this, to ignore it is nurturing a blind spot that seems to grow and grow. It’s a failure to face reality. It’s colossally insensitive. I’m reaching for the stroke medication. . .

          • Evette Coutier

            First, if you’d bothered to read it, I addressed my comment that desegregation has no history of success when it occurred to me that you read it out of context.

            Your observations that white women intermixed with blacks is not evidence that refutes the natural tendency to self-segregate. It is evidence that education, indoctrination, and cultural factors influence behavior. A study done on babies showed that people self-segregate before socialization can influence behavior. You failed to disprove this research. All your points support the notion that people can be trained and socialized to behave differently than their natural tendencies. Duh.

          • Evette Coutier

            If you were addressing my comment that desegregation has not history of success, you missed the context of meaning. I pointed out that racial conflict increased in desegregated areas. This is factually documented. That was the point I addressed. However, I will address success in a broader context. Minority earning power relative to white earning power continues to show that desegregation has not improved their relative pay to whites. Governmental forced pay equity and government programs have provided the majority of improvements in black pay. This is not success on the part of blacks, it is white politicians buying votes. The reality, as you put it, is that black pay will drop when these programs stop subsidizing blacks. There is merit to the notion that by out breeding whites, blacks will gain an increased percentage of the population, and thus the vote. That, however, has been happening regardless of their segregation status. Your assessment of the factors of minority success don’t hold up to the facts.

      • JohnEngelman

        Over the years most of my friends have been white. Nevertheless, I have always found it easy to make friends who were non white.

        I have only had problems with young black men I did not know.

        • Evette Coutier

          Your isolated experiences do not represent a general population trend.

          • JohnEngelman

            The increase in the approval and practice of interracial dating and marriage indicates that you are mistaken.

          • Evette Coutier

            No, it does not. Inter-racial couples among black and whites is still statistically over two standard deviations from the norm. Moreover, the learned behavioral traits of humans can counter natural tendencies. Much of interracial acceptance is learned from years of indoctrination. That has little bearing on the fact that we by nature tend to segregate.

          • JohnEngelman

            Just because you do not like something does not mean that it is unnatural, unhealthy, or immoral.

          • Evette Coutier

            John, what you’re doing is intellectually dishonest. I made no comment as to my like or dislike, or to the morality or health of voluntary intermixing of races. Nor did I say they didn’t get along. You are talking a lot of liberty that is not justified. People are predisposed to self segregate at all levels of society. I gave the black congressional caucus as an example. There are countless examples: the society of black MBA’s, the Hispanic congressional caucus, and on and on. You are allowing your emotions to color your perception of reality. You couldn’t even read my comment without out adding an interpretation that was not there.

          • JohnEngelman

            Any magazine that has been around for 48 years must face the problem that a lot of its most dedicated and loyal readership is rather old. The magazine needs to keep the loyalty of these readers for reasons both moral and financial; yet it must also be constantly trying to get new readers – the younger the better, so that they too will get the NR habit and join the long-term core readership.

            In America today this is a difficult balancing act, because very fundamental shifts of outlook have occurred in the past 48 years, among conservatives as much as – perhaps even more than – elsewhere. I frequently meet college students who tell me they are conservative, who have all the attributes of what seems to me a broadly conservative outlook on life and society, who want to read conservative publications… yet who have a deep dislike of many of the topics – not just the point of view, the actual topics – that interest older readers.

            This shows up most especially in the area of race, and the penumbra of issues – immigration, for instance, or crime-fighting – that are associated with it. The kind of thoughtful and intelligent young people that NR would like to have as readers understand that there are problems and absurdities connected with race in our public life, and are happy to hear arguments pro and con about racial profiling, affirmative action, and so on. They laugh with us when we lampoon the more outrageous kind of black race hustler – a Sharpton, a Farrakhan, a Johnny Cochran. They are, however, determined to make the multiracial society work, they believe it can be made to work in spite of the hustlers and liberal guilt-mongers, and they are unwilling to read, say, or think anything that could be construed as unkind towards people of other races. The pessimism and cynicism on this topic that you rather commonly find among conservatives – including NR readers – born in 1930, or even 1950, are profoundly unappetizing to these younger conservatives.

            – John Derbyshire from a 2003 interview

          • Evette Coutier

            I’m sure that’s all true. It has nothing to do with topic that people naturally self-segregate.

          • JohnEngelman

            That tendency is declining, at least among whites and Asians. .

          • Barabbas

            Apparently you haven’t read too many of Mr. Engelman’s posts. He is a troll. For whatever reason, he enjoys being oppositional, contrary, and simply making things up.

          • iberianpride

            The increase is due to nonstop propaganda from both the (news and entertainment) Media, and the educational system in this Country.

          • JohnEngelman

            Propaganda is only effective when it tells people what they want to believe, or what they know to be true in their lives. This is particularly true in a free country like the United States where people can avoid messages they dislike.

    • LHathaway

      Where is it women and non-whites compete fairly with white men, fantasy island? I rather doubt you’re in possession of a time machine.

      • JohnEngelman

        Women, and non-whites compete fairly with white men anywhere there is no affirmative action.

        • LHathaway

          This is incorrect. Even at small businesses that, in theory, don’t use affirmative action, there is extreme social favoritism for women and people of color. It’s not only as if race does not exist (when it comes to whites) but white men may as well not exist in academia or in media portrayals (except at the cause of everyone else’s oppression).

          • JohnEngelman

            Once, when I had a job with a small company I got a better job with a corporation, and gave notice. A black man who had just left the Marine Corps interviewed for my job. I was asked to talk to him. I liked him, and recommended that he be hired.

            He was not hired. In explaining why not, the owner of the company said, “I think they ought to send him back to Africa.”

            Once I had a job with a small town newspaper. My editor told me, “If any kind of civil rights story develops here we won’t cover it. Most of our readers are prejudiced. So am I.”

            That kind of thing exists everywhere.

          • LHathaway

            You’re discussing the silent backlash against affirmative action and racial favoritism (in the face of torment) because, you’re right, it’s everywhere. Sometimes folks have had just too much.

            I’m going with that.

            The day is coming, though, when a non-white somewhere is genuinely going to be discriminated against, simply because they are not white, for real. Will it become prevalent? I don’t know. But I guess the day is coming. That will be the day I pick up a newpaper and read an editorial titled, ‘Stop affirmative action now – it’s wrong to discriminate’. Maybe I will read it on AmRen first. It will probably work the opposite way. When I read that in an editorial, that’s when I will know it has begun to happen.

          • JohnEngelman

            For the record, I am opposed to affirmative action. I have made that clear in a number of my posts.

            I also will not dislike a person because that person is of another race. I hope I have made that clear too.

          • JohnEngelman

            You’re discussing the silent backlash against affirmative action.

            – LHathaway

            The kind of stuff I mentioned in my comment was common in the United States long before affirmative action policies existed.

          • LHathaway

            So that gives you the right to simply make up stories and present them as fact? For a good cause. . .

            Use your phony made up stories, providing covering for black racism, on someone else. Since this is very likely the only thing you are intending to do, then what is your point jumping on the ‘blacks are inherently violent bandwagon’, saying word for word, following precisely letter for letter, what so many others say on this topic? You follow the party line on this issue more closely than Stalin’s favorite and most promising pupil.

          • JohnEngelman

            I did not make up those stories.

          • Guest

            Use your phony made up stories, providing covering for black racism, on someone else. Since this is very likely the only thing you are intending to do, what is your point jumping on the ‘blacks are inherently violent bandwagon’, saying word for word, following precisely letter for letter, what so many others say on this topic? You follow the party line on this issue more closely than Stalin’s favorite and most promising pupil.

          • LHathaway

            That is me, by the way, John. Some kind of error. I’m a goof.

          • JohnEngelman

            Why do you think I made up those stories? I told the truth, as always.

          • Barabbas

            You are the most obvious troll on this forum. Whether for attention , kicks, or some perverse agenda, you simply make things up. I don’t know why you are tolerated here.

          • JohnEngelman

            I usually document factual assertions. I have never made anything up. My arguments are fact based, logical, and valid.

          • The All Seeing Bry

            That’s not true at all. I know dozens of small business owners, certainly none of them favor blacks.

            Women are favored in the service industry for obvious reasons.

            Most small business owners are just looking for good honest people to work for them, that’s it.

          • LHathaway

            Even on AmRen, people favor blacks. They are obsessed with them.

          • The All Seeing Bry

            I do think people are obsessed with blacks, some of it healthy, some of it unhealthy.

            Of course people are going to obsess over them because they are a big problem. Problems should be addressed until they are eradicated.

            Unhealthily, people want to help blacks and feel sorry for them, all too common these people become race traitors.

            Every time someone points out that Hispanics and Asians do not treat blacks the same as whites do that is to tell whites it is unnecessary! People on Amren bring that up because it shows just how dumb a lot of whites are. Most of us on Amren I would assume despise those people. No one here is promoting that we treat them with kind gentle gloves, they are pointing out we shouldn’t.

          • Evette Coutier

            We not obsessed with blacks. We are sick and tired of blacks being forced down our throats.

  • disqus_irCdmAu8It

    We can thanks the idiot in chief, the buffoon in DC for granting amnesty to all the illegals.

  • Guy

    “they know whites rarely retaliate”. And practically use this against us through physical and verbal intimidation. The ghetto blacks on the city streets in major cities are pathetic. They either: 1) beg you for money 2) physically or verbally accost you

  • Epiminondas

    Oh, the joys of diversity. It’s the gift that goes on giving.

  • Evette Coutier

    The prison solution is simple. Send the blacks to Africa and the Hispanics to South America. The cost of the boat ticket is far less than the 35 thousand a year it costs to house them. Once with their true brothers and sisters, there can be no more of our horrible white privilege abusing these fine upstanding citizens. If we whites are so awful, and our white society is so racist and abusive to minorities, why do they want to come here so badly? To leech off us and complain while doing so. The only solution is complete separation.

    • NoMosqueHere

      They want to live with us because we invite them and give them all kinds of perks, and we don’t complain about their atrocious behavior. If my betters encouraged me to live with them I’d go.

  • Funruffian

    Mexican gangs are very resourceful and crafty when creating alliances and instilling order. Their practices very much resemble the Sicilian Mafias of decades past, because members had to vouch for new recruits. They in turn were held accountable for whatever action or inaction the newbie did. Although they re not as refined and are more crude than the Sicilian counterparts, they place tremendous pressure on any unwanted activity from so called “rats” or betrayers.
    Being a White guy in a world of non-Whites can really suck. It even sucks more if you are with a handful of Whites in a non-White world, because those few Whites will vie for the respect from the non-Whites. Thus creating competition and animosity.

  • ATBOTL

    Some incorrect information here. Whites organized in California prisons during the late 1960’s because they were being attacked by militant blacks, not Mexicans.

    When the great migration of blacks to Northern cities happened, young blacks who grew up in these cities had fantastically high crime rates compared to whites or rural, southern blacks. The blacks in prisons by the 1950’s were younger on average than the white inmates and were all from the same few neighborhoods, meaning they all knew each other, which makes organizing much easier. They also came from neighborhoods where they fought every day, unlike most white criminals, who may have been he toughest kid in their small town, but were not physically or mentally prepared for the constant violence that younger blacks were bringing into the prisons.

    Lower class whites at that time tended not to be very interested in sports or exercise, unlike blacks who were coming into prisons very fit from sports and with training in boxing and later, martial arts. Out of shape white inmates who spent all their time on the outside sitting on a bar stool drinking and all their time on the inside sitting around smoking were no match for black inmates who spent hours a day boxing and running. Whites were helpless against newly organized and militant blacks in many prisons during the early 1960’s, even when whites were still a majority of inmates.

    The convict code from when prisons were mostly white was a classic, liberal, Anglo-Saxon type system of social organization based on individualism and reputation. Such systems are incredibly weak against tribal types systems of social organization. As some of you may remember from Jack Black’s classic autobiography “You Can’t Win,” by the turn of the 19th century, Anglo-Saxon criminals could not operate in East Coast cities because the entire underworld was controlled by ethnic gangs who would simply steal any profits a “rugged individualist” Saxon criminal acquired.

    Individualism is a dead end biologically. I think whites have become so fascinated with all this prison gang stuff in recent years because they subconsciously understand this and when they look around to find healthy, normal, tribal behavior in otherwise sick, dysfunctional “non-ethnic” whites, the only examples they can find are prison gangs and bikers.

    • Slayer88

      Great post.

  • ATBOTL

    With the blacks.

  • Yves Vannes

    How they order themselves in prison is not simply something of tangential sociological interest. Eventually, many if not most of these bottom feeders rejoin civilization. They’ve spent their prison time being socialized as insular, territorial, predatory helots of criminal gangs. Their only contribution outside of the prison walls will be to add to the already general decay of society.

    The exponential growth in crime since the end of WWII is still largely deal with in the manner it was dealt with 60 years ago. The only real difference is that we have more cops and lighter sentences. A 45 year sentence 50 years ago for armed robbery now gets 6 years. And thus crime rates accelerate.

    The time to take a different tack has long come to pass us by. We lack the belly to treat them as harshly as they treat their victims but that will eventually change. As more and more of US territory falls under the control of ethnic minority gangs and criminals White America will need to either sanitize those communities or wall itself off. Anyone who breaches that wall gets their ticket punched.

    But the criminal 3rd world gangs and populace may turnout to be the least of our problems. A not insignificant percentage of Whites are so far down the progressive rabbit hole that they may pose a more difficult problem in segregating and protecting ourselves. We may very well have to fight a civil war with other whites.

    Whatever way this goes, once the debt bomb goes off civilization will resemble of Hieronymus Bosch painting.

    • ATBOTL

      When civil order breaks down, criminals leaders become political leaders. See the former Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, USSR…

      Criminal organizations are nascent militias.

      • Yves Vannes

        That is ALREADY the case in black and hispanic communities. But in a law abiding civil society, criminal elements may attempt to take advantage of the breakdown of social order. Their degree of success will depend upon the willingness of better men to bury them.

        • ATBOTL

          You’re looking at what I’m saying from a reactionary perspective.

          • Yves Vannes

            If by “reactionary” you mean hierarchical I would agree.

      • Slayer88

        Jerry Adams is a good example…

  • OHDeutscheKlezmerRebel

    To me, Mulattoes are just Negroes. Most of them act like Negroes, and their self image is of being a Black. They identify with Blacks first, not Whites. Obongo is a good example of this. He inherited his greater verbal ability and higher IQ from his White side, but doesn’t even appreciate the gifts his own White genes have bestowed upon him. Everything is about being Black with Obongo. I have worked with a few Mulattoes over the years on the job. They have all been like Obongo.

    • HE2

      Oogabooga is not verbally facile, as evidenced when his prompter goes blinky.
      He stumbles and stutters with even more uh, ers, ums than usual. He is lost, often topically circular, making no sense.
      His beard, Mooch was interviewed some time ago on NPR.
      Mooch sounded completely stupid verbally. She too, making no sense much of the time.
      I never did discern just exactly her topic of discussion.
      Both outed themselves as unqualified, quintessential Affirmative Action govt employees.

    • pcmustgo

      Ok, but what about ones that are even lighter than Obama, like the light mulattoes and quadroons… ?

  • Tarczan

    Oh! You actually are an old guard! Interesting.

  • Evette Coutier

    There is no evidence that higher intelligence is inversely proportional to instinctive drives. Human instincts and emotions occur in the r-complex and limbic systems. Higher thought takes place in a region of the brain called the pre-frontal cortex. The areas of the brain responsible for these functions area independent. The notion that kids get along better in prep p school means there is less of a drive to ethnically identity is an interesting claim. Can you cite any actual research or evidence of this. My personal experience is the exact opposite. During my time at Cornell I noted that blacks very much click together, as did Asians, middle easterners, and Jews. In fact I’d have to say that then tended to flock together even more in that situation than other scenarios I’ve experienced. Did you experience something different at boarding school?

    • JohnEngelman

      Did you experience something different at boarding school?

      – Evette Coutier

      Yes, and everywhere else I have lived, worked, or gone to school. I have always found it easy to make friends with people of other races. I have always been accepted by them.

      • Evette Coutier

        You believe that your making interracial friendships disproves that people tend to self-segregate? Sorry, John, but you standards of evidence and proof are not up to par. No serious inquiry accepts feelings and isolated personal experience as legitimate evidence.

        • JohnEngelman

          Pew Research Center FEBRUARY 1, 2010

          Over the last several decades, the American public has grown increasingly accepting of interracial dating and marriage. This shift in opinion has been driven both by attitude change among individuals generally and by the fact that over the period, successive generations have reached adulthood with more racially liberal views than earlier generations…

          The Pew Research Center’s recent report on racial attitudes in the U.S., finds that an overwhelming majority of Millennials, regardless of race, say they would be fine with a family member’s marriage to someone of a different racial or ethnic group. Asked about particular groups to which they do not belong, Millennials are about equally accepting of marriage to someone in any of the groups tested: Roughly nine-in-ten say they would be fine with a family member’s marriage to an African American (88%), a Hispanic American (91%), an Asian American (93%) or a white American (92%).

          ————-

          Gallup October 7, 2005

          PRINCETON, NJ — Most Americans say they approve of interracial dating…

          Slightly less than half of Americans say they have dated someone from a different racial or ethnic background…

          There are substantial differences by age in approval of interracial dating. Those in the 18- to 29-year-old age category are nearly unanimous in their approval.

          ————-

          Pew Research FEBRUARY 16, 2012

          About 15% of all new marriages in the United States in 2010 were between spouses of a different race or ethnicity from one another, more than double the share in 1980 (6.7%). Among all newlyweds in 2010, 9% of whites, 17% of blacks, 26% of Hispanics and 28% of Asians married out. Looking at all married couples in 2010, regardless of when they married, the share of intermarriages reached an all-time high of 8.4%. In 1980, that share was just 3.2%.

          • Evette Coutier

            So what’s your point? No one has argued that cultural factors don’t influence behavior. Moreover, your citation of acceptance of interracial marriage does not disprove that people tend to self segregate naturally. You have not shown any causal connection between the behaviors, nor have you disproved studies such as baby lab. You are making a spurious connection. Interracial marriage is a cultural phenomena that in the greater context of human history is a statistical outlier. Racial segregation is a genetically predisposed behavior that has a historical track record since the beginning of recorded history.

          • JohnEngelman

            My point is that race consciousness is declining in the United States. I think that is a good thing.

            Diversity is not our strength. It is our problem that we need somehow to manage. It does not help to encourage ethnocentrism.

          • Augustus3709

            How can you say race consciousness is declining?

            The MSM is forcing people to think about race every time they mention “White” police officers killing unarmed “black” people. Whites understandably are getting ever increasingly irritated and defensive. Black rioters are openly declaring their allegiance as black, and that “black lives matter”. Go to any of these race-baiting articles on yahoo, and racially aware, even pro-White comments have hundreds of thumbs up.

            If anything, racial awareness is increasing, and thank God.

            Your pleasant dealings with other races are wonderful. But what is the end result? When aliens get along too well the result is miscegenation and children with confused identity, leading to social strife.

            Even when multiculturalism succeeds it fails.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    This article shows that Dieversity Is not our greatest strength but will kill us all. See how gangs evolved thanks to dieversity in prisons.

  • The All Seeing Bry

    That’s a family problem, not a government problem. You thing throwing the drug addict in a hole for 10 years will help bring the family together?

    If there is physical altercation then that would be an assault charge.

    I take the libertarian side in this argument.

  • HE2

    Peejay, the cost of housing in S.F. is insane.
    But, is not the Outer Mission still pretty much low cost housing for mexicans and other mystery meat invaders? [I have not been out there for years.]
    I do not feel safe riding BART through the Mission.
    At those stops, thuggy looking young men start boarding. The train master told me a lot of them are turn-style jumpers.

  • LexiconD1

    Not just blonde, but white. I have auburn hair and very dark brown eyes and experience much the same.

    Clearly most posters have not encountered many ‘Latino’s’, because if they did, they’d figure out, pretty quickly, they aren’t much better than blacks.

    • HE2

      Are you in California as well, Lex?
      You are right, the only requirements for evoking unwelcome, dangerous attention from mestizos and meso-americans is being White and female.

      The familiar principle of experiential geographic proximity that we apply to blacks applies to browns: the closer one lives to them, the more realistic one’s understanding of inherent pathologies rendering them incompatible with civilized White society.

      • LexiconD1

        Hell on Earth…aka Home Dept.

      • LexiconD1

        Yes, border of Orange County…I’ll never get why the people on this site think horrible ‘Latino’s’ are anything to cheer on. Must be because they haven’t experienced there presents yet? They will, they breed faster than roaches…

    • Henry Higgins

      Hispanics aren’t nearly as fixated on fair-haired, as opposed to any hair color, white women as blacks are, although redheads and blondes still attract more than their fair share of Hispanic aggressions.

  • IstvanIN

    It should be considered cruel and unusual punishment to put White inmates in with non-whites.

  • William Finn

    Here’s a tip, don’t join a gang, just do your time and get out.

  • Henry Higgins

    They’re even more violent to redheads, both latinos and blacks, in my experience (I’m female).

  • Henry Higgins

    I have a friend who comes from South America and doesn’t identify with the mestizos or even Hispanics at all, instead preferring the company, culture and ‘identity’ of the Europeans.

  • If they’d work this hard at an honest job, they’d never have to go to prison.

  • Lkoehn

    The gangs obviously model our federal government . The politicians are the made men and society is the victims of the politicians.

  • 1stworlder

    The most obvious reason for the story’s twice as many whites as non whites in jail was when the US was over 90% white, because if equality existed there would be 9x as many.

  • drattastic

    Sounds a great deal like how kingdoms were formed in days of yore .

  • drattastic

    Must Latinos have have a great deal of European (Spanish)blood running through their veins.

  • IBWHITE

    There are many White gangs in the system but most will watch you before allowing you to join. If you are passive and allow other inmates to push you around they will not allow you to join – at that point you can become someone’s property. The Aryan Brotherhood asks you to come in after long observation or reliable information on your background. It is a lifetime membership regardless of your location. There are also biker gangs that can be affiliated with both AB and Hells Angels, Outlaws etc. Even mafia members get protection from gangs when incarcerated. John Gotti was protected by the AB’s while imprisoned in Marion, Illinois.

  • ElComadreja

    This is precisely the thinking which has been our undoing. Blacks and other non-whites band together while too many whites have this “I’ve got mine so f**k you” attitude towards their fellow Caucasians.

    • HE2

      Thank you, Elcomadreja. Well stated.

  • David Ashton

    And this is the voice of “liberalism”: “White Americans must face their racist guilt. I spent the last day of Barack Obama’s first election campaign…ringing voters in swing states to get out the vote…The elderly white man opposite…volunteered because if Obama won, he could let go of a lifetimes guilt at being white… The vast majority of Americans have no idea how comprehensively handicapped African Americans have been by the policies of the last 400 years….Slavery…is the foundation stone of white America’s prosperity….
    “The game is still rigged against blacks as they struggle to create capital or security…. Black areas were targeted for subprime loans – values there have plummeted…. An average black family live a sliver away from penury…. Deliberate injustice has helped to create real social problems, criminal subcultures, despair. These can’t be solved by black willpower alone.

    “White America must not evade its guilt. It should fund better jobs, schools and loans. It owes black America a debt that it refuses to recognise and doesn’t want to repay.” – Jenni Russell, The Times, December 18, p.36.

    • robinbishop34

      Drop her off in North St. Louis at 1 a.m.

  • Dick Hatewell

    The bright spot in all this is that as we all know, the generally animalistic nature of blacks and browns becomes apparent as their numbers in society increase. However, the response by Whites, if prison can serve as an indicator, will be to band together and finally start exercising some self-preservation.

  • I did the last 19 months on my federal sentence in Texas. Things ran mainly on the old convict code there. No rapes and almost no fights.

  • Epiminondas

    These “coloreds” you refer to…might they be ni9rahs?

  • One of the more interesting comments I overheard from one corrections officer to another was “These aren’t criminals; they’re just a bunch of guys waiting to go home.” That was largely true. Almost nobody I knew wanted anything to do with taking up criminality as a lifestyle, let alone go back for it. That said, I was at a low-security facility that had originally been built as a V.A. hospital. The feds do a pretty thorough pre-sentencing investigation of each case, which results in that individual’s eventual custody level. From what I have heard, the worst prisons are medium-security, such as the federal FCI’s and the various state equivalents. These are full of young, first-time, violent offenders who have a lot of access to each other. At a maximum, like a USP, they’re locked down more often, and many of the convicts are older, repeat-offenders who are starting to slow down – just because they’re getting old, so these facilities are apparently less violent.

    Aside a handful of colorful and incredibly stupid incidents, the guards were basically just babysitting us, because as that one said, almost all of us just wanted to go home. I had a house and a car I wanted to return to. To the extent that I want revenge at all, I figure the best revenge is living well, so I paid off the house, got married and started a family. I can’t collect firearms or shoot them anymore, but fishing and making fishing tackle has replaced that as a hobby. I also make cool toys for our daughter. My wife and I like “big band” music and go dancing in period clothes when there’s an event and we can find a babysitter. I can vote again, and delight in voting against the sillier municipal spending initiatives.

    I received good work reviews from the prison staff who supervised me. At the machine shop, I couldn’t weld sheet steel at all, but I was very good at fixing worn tools, and knew some things that even the boss didn’t, such as that one can’t weld a broken spring (this ruins the heat-treated temper and makes the new join a fragile discontinuity). My bosses at the chow hall liked my work ethic, and my last job (the easiest one there) got me bonuses. It was picking up windblown trash out on the yard. That might not sound great, but the few of us doing it were out there with some time relatively alone with the birds and squirrels for company. Quiet was a scarce commodity, and I quickly figured out where the wind tended to deposit things, so I looked like a real-go-getter. We styled ourselves as “Rothman’s Rubbish Rangers” after the staff boss we worked for. He was moody, but overall a good sort; he issued us long-johns and work gloves, which we were allowed to keep (I still have mine, 11 years later). One of the staff bosses I liked from my chow-hall days, Mr. Buchberger ran into me while I was picking up trash, and we chatted a little. I said I was going home in two weeks, and he said that he didn’t think I was going to screw up, shook my hand and wished me “good luck”.

    These things are never pleasant, but as I loved saying, “There is no situation so bad that it can not be made worse.” Maybe that will become a famous quotation someday.

  • Slayer88

    The courts have ruled that the prisons in Cali must de-segregate the inmates, against EVERYBODYS best interest…

  • Anglo

    That plastic surgery and skin bleaching didn’t do him any good. He’s clearly Black to me.

  • 4teepee

    From personal experience, although with jails and not prisons, I cannot really agree. The guards use collective punishment to enforce their will. Inmates who do not toe the line are subject to abuse by other inmates who have been subjected to the collective punishment.

  • Cid Campeador

    Since these mutants are at war with the rest of society, our prisons are in fact pretty much like POW camps. Therefore we could take liberties with script of a WWII movie.
    ” You do good things, Japanese be good to you. You do bad things, you get shot pretty quick”. Cant remember the name of the film.

    Imagine how we could reduce prison population.

  • Jon

    This does not shock at least as Rob said before the 60’s because now all u see in prison is a racial order and segregation. In prison if u are not part of a gang then u will get used and abused by a lot of people. It might be different in prison’s in Hawaii but here in the states the prison’s are very different and very violent when it comes to racial order and violence.