How the West Was Lost by Native Americans

Serena Dai, Atlantic Wire, July 19, 2012

Everybody knows that Europeans took a lot of land from Native Americans, but this animated GIF by Tumblr user sunisup gives a great sense of just how fast the people living in North America were pushed west after Christopher Columbus “discovered” the continent.

She turned an old graphic by Louisiana State professor Sam B. Hillard into a mini-movie that viscerally demonstrates the gradual chopping away of Native American land through cessions, or a surrender of territory to another entity. The green represents Native American land, and any part that turns white was ceded. {snip} Numbers wise, the amount of green land shown after 1895 is about 2.3 percent of the original size.

Hillard got his information from the Bureau of Indian Affairs and Bureau of American Ethnology. The history of Native Americans is complicated, so the graphic only documents land that was ceded. Any land that was ceded but then later turned into a reservation may shop up again later in the time lapse. Whatever the in-between negotiations, it’s clear the land disappeared quickly. {snip}

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  • Puggg

    I prefer to look at this in light of how we won.

    • MerlinV

      Well said Pugg. Times were hard back then. ALL people had to fight for what they could get. Whites fought as the Indian himself did against other Indians. The Whites won. I’m glad they did. I dont have any “soft spot” in my heart for them. Many were truly barbaric and canibals.

      • Monte Merrick

        nothing wrong with the world a little white supremacy can’t fix, is that it?

  • handyandy2@optonline.net

    Pretty much, when the first Whites came to these shores, the Indians lost it.

  • JohnEngelman

    The only Americans who have the right to complain about race displacement and genocide are American Indians.

    • pcmustgo

      But do they have the right to racially abuse/harass/degrade/”get revenge” on
      “Whites” is the question? I also have always had a place in my heart for American Indians (although I’ve come to learn that much of the land was SOLD to them, not stolen)- that being said, there is little difference between Mexicans/Latinos and American Indians. We’re going to have one big American Indian country soon… they will speak Spanish, but they are brown.

      • pcmustgo

        Engelman- you wouldnt’ like racial hatred directed at you by American Indians (or your precious Asians) anymore than you would Blacks. Hatred and hostility is hatred and hostility. The reason I come to this site is not because I want to abuse Blacks or other non-whites, but I want my story told- I’m tired of the reality of anti-white racism being denied and excused away. I also want “the truth” on IQ/Behavior/Crime/ Stereotypes, etc told, to clear up all the racial confusion out there that winds up getting us whites blamed for Blacks (and Latinos) problems.

        • pcmustgo

          Also, the truth and reality of “multiculturalism” or the failure thereof exposed for what it is- a myth and a sham and a dangerous one at that, that always leads to ethnic tension, bickering, squabbling, jealousy , confusion and resentment

        • Vonhauer

          I will admit to one weakness — Asian females. They are gorgeous. Engleman has that one right.

      • Gracchus123

        Whites have honored Indians in many ways. After all, a statue of Tecumsa stands on the quadrangle at the Naval Academy.

    • handyandy2@optonline.net

      Getta grip fella. There was never any genocide of indians here. I worked with plenty of indian guys in my life and was in the service with them and never once did I ever hear any malarkey like that from any of them.

      • The__Bobster

        You’ll have to excuse Yuan Chinaman. He gets his news from NPR and the NY Slimes.

        • deffe

          Actually, CCTV.

    • Luca

      The only genocide that took place was an act of biology. We cheated them, overpowered them with technology and numbers and overwhelmed them. There were slaughters on both sides of the fence. Had we really wanted a genocide it could have been accomplished with ease.

    • nathan wartooth

      For those who didn’t read between the lines, he is saying that Whites have no right to complain about race displacement and genocide.

      This is akin to “Your great grandfather beat up my great grandfather so now I’ll beat up you.” It’s childish to say the least.

      • JohnEngelman

        Whites are no more threatened by race displacement and genocide than they are threatened by Cultural Marxists. None of those exist. What does exist is an economy in which being a white man is no longer sufficient. What matters is well educated, high grade intelligence.

        • Skincognito

          I’m well educated. I possess “high grade” intelligence. Unfortunately academia doesn’t allocate the resources necessary for me to support my family. God forbid I “declass” into the ranks of the Lumpenproletariat! Does that make my heritage or my children’s future any less valuable? No sir, our mighty and noble race counts for much more than our fetishized PhD’s. Have you ever held your own flesh and blood in your arms? Most American Puritans and American westward pioneers (as well as Boer Voortrekkers) did. This past holiday should forever pay tribute to their hard work and fertility.
          And please desist from constructing cultural Marxism as “specter.” I am repeatedly bombarded with reading lists that prioritize/foreground Gramsci, Arendt, Frankfurt Schule, Fouceault, etc. Actually studying the existing literature on a given topic and identifying research gaps comes later. Theory reigns supreme in mine and many other fields. Astute scholars can wrangle themselves free from this web, but many remain hopeless enmeshed, fully primed for careers of perpetuating internationalist, post-working class marxism. Some may even ascend to the very apex of official geopolitical power. But it’s all okay if they’re “intelligent” and well-educated, right?

          • David Ashton

            Well said, Skincognito. I have bombarded JE himself with “reading lists” re cultural Marxism – all in vain. He just replays the same old gramophone record regardless.

          • Gracchus123

            Maybe JE is really Jared Taylor trying to create “controversy” in the threads. :). On second thought, Taylor would use much, much more finesse.

        • MikeofAges

          Yeah, and War Is Peace, Freedom Is Slavery, and Ignorance Is Truth too. You should especially pay attention to the last one. The ignorant saw the truth, but the middle class and the intelligentsia could not. I doubt you are ignorant, which mean that you cannot see truth. I can tell you’re a very tendentious guy, but your tendentiousness only gets you wound deeper and deeper in the coils of your own disordered perspective. Really, man, you should move out of Santa Clara County and the Bay Area. If you can’t do that, at least eat your meals and hang out as much as possible on east Santa Clara St, west San Carlos and whatever is left of south Monterey Road. You seriously need a cure, dude.

        • IKantunderstand

          Amen to that, Hindu brother.I find it interesting that you can name two things that according to you, DON’T EXIST!And frankly, before our so called leaders admitted the likes of you, when our country was all White it was sufficient to just be White, you know, being a White American in a country FOUNDED by Whites, we actually had great jobs for everyone! We, in fact invented the middle class! We in fact invented everything that counts for anything!. And what pray tell, did you and your fellow Hindus invent, John Engelman?

          • JohnEngelman

            I am just as white as you are. We are both angry about economic changes in the United States. The difference is that you direct your animosity horizontally and downward against non whites, and vote Republican. I direct my animosity upward against the white plutocracy that is directing these changes and benefiting from them, and vote Democrat.

          • NFL Monday

            The Hindus learned everything they know from the whites.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Hindus are Caucasian and Indo European. They created a great civilization on their own.

          • Alexandra

            Don’t they dump their dead into the Ganges River?

          • JohnEngelman

            No. They cremate them.

          • ed91

            and then dump the ashes in the Ganges.
            Everyone bathes in the ganges too so that adds to the aroma and taste…………

          • Michael_C_Scott

            And then dump the ashes into the Ganges.

          • http://valeofdarkness.blogspot.com/ ValeofIgnorance

            Only White countries need to become multicultural countries though, right? African will always be for black Africans, Asian will always be for Asians, but White countries can – and must – be transofrmed into mulricultural lands for everyone! That’s racial hypocricy.
            p.s. you may be White but you have absolutely no loyalty to White people or interest in the survival of White people (unlike you interest in Amerindians). That makes you Anti-White.

          • JohnEngelman

            I am pro white and pro Oriental. In the past we were called what is still appropriate, “the two civilized races.” We get along well, and we compete academically and professionally, rather than in the street.

          • IstvanIN

            But white nations should be open to Orientals while Orientals also get to keep their countries. Sounds fair.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Washington Post

            By Emily Matchar, Published: November 23

            After applying for 279 jobs over two years, my husband finally got the offer he’d been hoping for: a well-paid position teaching philosophy at a respected university. We should have been thrilled. There was just one little thing.

            The job was in Hong Kong…

            After a year in Abu Dhabi, Jackson did a second job search in the United States. Once again, no bites. She’s now happily employed as a tenure-track assistant professor in Hong Kong, and her husband is a science instructor at the same university…

            Sean Love, 27, traded a job as a medical research assistant in an “understaffed and underfunded” lab at Johns Hopkins University in Baltimore for a similar job in Singapore. But the new position comes with better funding, happier co-workers, twice the number of vacation days, nearly free health care and a much higher quality of life…

            “Asia is without a doubt the new land of opportunity for those brave enough to buy a plane ticket,” Love says…

            There are more opportunities in Asia “simply because of the higher growth rate,” explains Megan Fitzgerald, an international career coach based in Singapore, who says young Americans are drawn to the money and the sense of possibility in the Eastern Hemisphere.
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/cant-find-a-job-move-overseas/2012/11/23/b7322ef4-3273-11e2-9cfa-e41bac906cc9_story_1.html

          • David Ashton

            As a Sinophile, tell us about the origin of Chinese math.

          • JohnEngelman

            The Chinese developed their own system of mathematics.

            In the 16th century Jesuit missionaries began to proselytize in China. The emperor of China asked some of his scholar gentry to learn about the Jesuits. They told him that the Jesuits had a superior system of mathematics, so the Chinese adopted Western mathematics. That meant that they adopted a number system that originated in India, algebra that originated in the Arab world, and geometry, that was compiled by Euclid, but which originated in the Middle East.

          • David Ashton

            Better Euclid than Marx,Engels,Lenin, Stalin, eh?

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Wrong,wrong wrong again!

            Euclid and Aristotle really did it.

            Nobody is really this stupid, Mr. Engels.

          • JohnEngelman

            Egyptian geometry

            Main article: Egyptian mathematics

            The ancient Egyptians knew that they could approximate the area of a circle as follows:[2]

            Area of Circle ≈ [ (Diameter) x 8/9 ]2.[2]

            Problem 30 of the Ahmes papyrus uses these methods to calculate the area of a circle, according to a rule that the area is equal to the square of 8/9 of the circle’s diameter. This assumes that π is 4×(8/9)² (or 3.160493…), with an error of slightly over 0.63 percent. This value was slightly less accurate than the calculations of the Babylonians (25/8 = 3.125, within 0.53 percent), but was not otherwise surpassed until Archimedes’ approximation of 211875/67441 = 3.14163, which had an error of just over 1 in 10,000.

            Interestingly, Ahmes knew of the modern 22/7 as an approximation for pi, and used it to split a hekat, hekat x 22/x x 7/22 = hekat; however, Ahmes continued to use the traditional 256/81 value for pi for computing his hekat volume found in a cylinder.

            Problem 48 involved using a square with side 9 units. This square was cut into a 3×3 grid. The diagonal of the corner squares were used to make an irregular octagon with an area of 63 units. This gave a second value for π of 3.111…

            The two problems together indicate a range of values for Pi between 3.11 and 3.16.

            Problem 14 in the Moscow Mathematical Papyrus gives the only ancient example finding the volume of a frustum of a pyramid, describing the correct formula:

            [edit]Babylonian geometry

            Main article: Babylonian mathematics

            The Babylonians may have known the general rules for measuring areas and volumes. They measured the circumference of a circle as three times the diameter and the area as one-twelfth the square of the circumference, which would be correct if π is estimated as 3. The volume of a cylinder was taken as the product of the base and the height, however, the volume of the frustum of a cone or a square pyramid was incorrectly taken as the product of the height and half the sum of the bases. The Pythagorean theorem was also known to the Babylonians. Also, there was a recent discovery in which a tablet used π as 3 and 1/8. The Babylonians are also known for the Babylonian mile, which was a measure of distance equal to about seven miles today. This measurement for distances eventually was converted to a time-mile used for measuring the travel of the Sun, therefore, representing time.[3]

            Classical Greek geometry

            For the ancient Greek mathematicians, geometry was the crown jewel of their sciences, reaching a completeness and perfection of methodology that no other branch of their knowledge had attained. They expanded the range of geometry to many new kinds of figures, curves, surfaces, and solids; they changed its methodology from trial-and-error to logical deduction; they recognized that geometry studies “eternal forms”, or abstractions, of which physical objects are only approximations; and they developed the idea of the”axiomatic method”, still in use today.

            [edit]Thales and Pythagoras

            Pythagorean theorem: a2 + b2 = c2

            Thales (635-543 BC) of Miletus (now in southwestern Turkey), was the first to whom deduction in mathematics is attributed. There are five geometric propositions for which he wrote deductive proofs, though his proofs have not survived. Pythagoras (582-496 BC) of Ionia, and later, Italy, then colonized by Greeks, may have been a student of Thales, and traveled to Babylon and Egypt.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_geometry#Early_geometry

          • Michael_C_Scott

            A monkey could do that. Can you show natural log e raised to the pi times i power equals negative one?

          • JohnEngelman

            I do not see the relevance of that question to this thread, but it was easy for me to find an explanation on the internet.

            http://www.math.toronto.edu/mathnet/questionCorner/epii.html

          • Michael_C_Scott

            You haven’t answered Mr. Ashton’s question, have you?

          • JohnEngelman

            If Mr, Ashton can answer his question, he should answer it himself. Like many civilized peoples, including the Mayans, the Chinese developed their own system of mathematics,

            This is what matters: “IQ tests measure intelligence and predict real life success. The races differ in brain size and on IQ tests. On average Orientals
            have the largest brains and highest IQs.”

            - Professor J. Philippe Rushton, from “RACE, EVOLUTION, AND BEHAVIOR”
            http://www.charlesdarwinresearch.org/Race_Evolution_Behavior.pdf

            Professor Rushton spoke at six American Renaissance conferences.

            Because of their superior intelligence I expect Oriental nations to surpass the West in science and technology in this century. Orientals already have a prominence in the science and technology departments of American universities that is far out of proportion to their numbers.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Wrong again, Engels. My IQ was tested by the feds at 152, and you still haven’t answered Mr. Ashton’s question about Chinese “math”.

            I know you can’t, but please give it a try.

          • JohnEngelman

            You are right that I can’t. I would need to research it. Since you are so intelligent, answer the question yourself.

          • Le Fox

            Ever guess that because they cheat?

            They sure don’t get smart after their Bell Curve goes down after 105.

          • Gracchus123

            Gee, I didn’t need to code a C++ program to enable me to appreciate the advantage of arabic numerals over Roman numerals. I learned that in the 4th grade.

          • SLCain

            “I direct my animosity upward against the white plutocracy that is
            directing these changes and benefiting from them, and vote Democrat.”

            They you exceedingly stupid. The Democratic party is everybit as much a tool of plutocrats as are the Republicans.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Can you multiply using Roman numerals without translating them? I can.

          • JohnEngelman

            That is quite an accomplishment. Congratulations.

            Before I went to computer school I reviewed my knowledge of mathematics. I read a fascinating explanation of earlier methods of multiplying and dividing using Arabic numbers. The methods got the correct results, but they were cumbersome.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            I can also derive a square root algebraically and not by successive approximations. My best friend, Glenn said “You can’t really do that”.

            While I was locked up, I tried to work out a method of producing arbitrarily large prime numbers, but was unsuccessful.

            You’ll have a fun time here, I suspect.

        • pcmustgo

          All Americans have a harder time in the job competition market now because, along with the Mexicans, boatloads of your precious Asians and East Indians are allowed to flood in and take the good jobs. No, Engelman, intelligence and hardwork is no longer sufficient. We live in a society with 23 million unemployed people. Wake up.

        • NFL Monday

          Then try walking in East L.A. at midnight in a brand new suit and tie.

          Try saying youre proud to be white in front of an entire football stadium.

          If whites can build the greatest nations on earth since the dawn of civilization, than white nations must remain white to inspire the world.

          Being white and homogenous is required as a prior condition for high intelligence and that is a condition that no ponzie scheme can replace.

        • The__Bobster

          http://www.vdare.com/letters/a-reader-wonders-why-the-asian-vote-for-obama

          A Reader Wonders Why The Asian Vote For Obama?
          November 23, 2012
          Re: Steven Sailer’s blog post National Exit Poll: Asians vote 74-25 for Obama
          From: A Reader In State College, PA

          Why would the “model minority” choose so extravagantly Obama over Mitt? What’s in it for them? Why isn’t anyone on the REAL right talking about this?

          Let’s face it, Obama is ferociously anti-white and traditional America (though there IS no more traditional America). The enormous lop-sided vote for Obama by Asians is just another pile-on of non-whites sticking it to the historic American people—white people. They see the increasing opportunity to obliterate white “hegemony” and they aren’t going to pass it up.

          • potato78

            LOL.

            Obama = 50% of White + 50% of Black. He is definitely a classic example of a half White American. If you demonise him, then 50% of demonization goes to White American Women. You have to say the fact that he is very intelligent person, may be 100% smartness comes from his mother side and Asia Pacific Culture influence.

            If you really are trying to blame his achievement, then you really should blame on white “Man” american’s stupidity standing on his side.

        • Alexandra

          I beg to differ. Miscegenation is pretty rampant and I’m seeing it more and more in the small towns around here. Fifty years ago it wasn’t tolerated so much. Now it’s encouraged.

          What do you think miscegenation does to intelligence–specifically White intelligence?

          • JohnEngelman

            When whites and Orientals have children the results are likely to be at least as good as when whites have children with each other, because the average IQ is slightly higher among Orientals.

          • David Ashton

            With blacks – was the question.

          • JohnEngelman

            IQ Scores of Blacks and Whites Regress toward the Averages of Their Race. Parents pass on only some exceptional genes to offspring so parents with very high IQs tend to have more average children. Black and White children with parents of IQ 115 move to different averages–Blacks toward 85 and Whites to 100.
            http://www.news-medical.net/news/2005/04/26/9530.aspx#id_d90f8fc5-74e1-46ab-bd03-eafd0730133a

          • David Ashton

            Both Kenneth Dyer (a miscegenation advocate) and Julius Huxley (a skeptical eugenicist) have observed that regression to the mean in the event of large-scale black white panmixis would intellectually decapitate the resultant mixed-population after several generations. Dyer argues that this doesn’t matter since the loss of a few geniuses would be compensated by the loss of a few imbeciles, but the former consequence is more detrimental than the latter.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            How would you know, Mr. Engels?

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Straw man attack.

            Ariadne is half Japanese and 3/32 eastern woodlands Amerind. Aside from her epicanthic eyefolds, she looks white: she has my brown hair and grey eyes. My daughter is a hybrid.

            I hope you’re sitting down, because when we say “miscegnation” we don’t mean whites with Orientals or whites with Amerinds: we mean bestiality with Africans.

          • JohnEngelman

            As I have pointed out on several occasions, the most enthusiastic practitioners of white – black miscegenation throughout American history have been white slave owners and white employers with black female employees. Strom Thurmond was one of them.

            In his book “Black Like Me.,” John Howard Griffin wrote of a conversation of a white man who boasted of having sexual relations with black women who worked for him, and who probably had no choice but to comply. He said his friends did the same thing adding, “We think we are doing them a favor by putting some good white blood in their veins.”

        • Indiana Guy

          by well educated you mean “programmed” like yourself. A person who can not have an original thought but just repeats his programming. You have gushed many times on this site about how smart your are, but you are not smart, almost everything you post is nonsense.

          • ed91

            ouch

          • GM (Australia)

            We must give some praise to Mr John Engleman, Despite his “unusual” posts he is certainly able to revive any debate and keep it moving. It is almost like having an on-site advocate for the opposition! Also in all fairness his posts are always polite.

          • David Ashton

            A devil’s advocate who supports the ADL, which lists Jared Taylor and AmRem in its list of “American Extremists” and regards immigration control as a sign of racism; JE is all for inward settlement from the Far East, but has yet to recommend this wonderful boon to the State of Israel which he “loves” (unconditionally, it would seem). Can even an Engel man can serve two mistresses, Beijing and Tel Aviv?

        • David Ashton

          “The failure of Communism as an economic and political system has discredited Marxist thinking…among a great many of the intellectuals in America or Europe’s dominant political class. Multiculturalism, for instance, is clearly an outgrowth of Marxist thinking, with ethnic groups replacing economic classes as the primary actors in the conflict that defines modern societies. Whites of European stock are the oppressor class…. Another important product of Marxist thinking is its disparagement of nationalism and its promotion of global internationalism [and] the left’s embrace of large-scale Third-World immigration to the industrial democracies, which serves to dilute white European influence….

          “[Many] of these ideas originated with the writings of influential French left-wing writers such as Foucault, Derrida and Lacan [leading to] ‘a passion for equality that perceives every distinction…as discriminatory’….a true Marxist should show concern for all the struggling masses of mankind…the parties of the left increase their power by importing Third-World immigrants who overwhelmingly become constituents”. – Prof. Byron Roth, “The Perils of Diversity” (2010) pp.42-43.

          “[Derrida's idea] is to deconstruct the workings of strong nation-states with powerful immigration policies, to deconstruct the rhetoric of nationalism, the politics of place, the metaphysics of native land and native tongue….” – J. D. Caputo, “The Prayers and Tears of Jacques Derrida” (1997), p.231.

          “The entry of blacks into [British] national life was itself a powerful factor contributing to the circumstances in which the formation of both cultural studies and New Left politics became possible…. I want to develop the suggestion that cultural historians could take the Atlantic as one single, complex unit of analysis…to produce an explicitly transnational and intercultural perspective.” – Paul Gilroy, “The Black Atlantic” (1993) pp.10,15. He is one of the “imaginary cultural Marxists”.

        • Gracchus123

          Culture matters. Culture is unique to race.

    • http://twitter.com/peppermint6789 Sage Basil

      Sounds like an anti-White double standard.

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004539873743 William Wilson

      There must be a rule of law somewhere, somewhen which stated that the first person who sets foot on a continent gets to claim it for himself and his entire race. I’m not sure where that’s codified but there seem to be a lot of people who believe it. The continent of North America no more “belongs” to Aboriginal Americans (the most accurate term, I believe) than the moon belongs to the USA.

      • pcmustgo

        wow, by that logic Europe doesn’t belong to white Europeans…

      • GM (Australia)

        Just remember which nation did put a flag on the Moon!

      • JohnEngelman

        Then why does the continent of North America belong to whites?

        • The__Bobster

          Manifest Destiny.

          • KD_Did

            we had the biggest guns, and still do. they had pointed sticks.

        • potato78

          The continent of North America belongs to American Indian, White Americans just borrowed from them for future use. That is why White Americans owed American Indians. White Americans should really help these American Indians out of the poverty, instead of Blacks and Latinos.

          • JohnEngelman

            I feel a sense of guilt with American Indians that is absent with blacks and Hispanics. We did take half of Mexico in what was a land grab against a weaker country. Nevertheless, Hispanics in the United States are better off than they would be in Mexico, or they would not come. Blacks in the United States are much better off than blacks in Africa. It cannot be said that American Indians have benefited from the white invasion of their land.

          • FourFooted_Messiah

            Except for a stable food supply, conveinent central heating in the winter, effective medicines, automobiles, electricity, etc.

            And let’s not forget license-free hunting and fishing, as well as legal sales of such products (normally banned), and tax-free tobacco, booze, and gasoline … as well as the right to cross the border whenever they wish, regardless of criminal record.

          • nathan wartooth

            Except that Mexico waged war against the United States with help from the French and got absolutely destroyed. Their goal was to take over the United States and claim it for Mexico.

            Then we nicely offered money for the land that we wanted. If they were so upset about it they should have not taken the money.

            Do you even read the past AmRen magazine articles or do you just post nonsense in the comments?

            Oh and of course Indians have benefited from White culture. To say that they had a superior way of life before the White man came is utterly ridiculous.

          • JohnEngelman

            The United States could have easily avoided the Mexican War. It was opposed by many Americans at the time including Abraham Lincoln, and even U.S. Grant, who fought in it anyway as a professional soldier.

          • Luca

            We could have avoided all the wars we were in. Each one could have been negotiated, or we could have collaborated or capitulated. The Mexican Government wanted Americans as immigrants because they were industrious. Texas became an independent republic which Mexico refused to recognize but did nothing about it. When Texas became a State in 1845 and Mexico started invading US Territory over border disputes. They killed Americans in numerous skirmishes. i think when a country invades a State and kills Americans there is sufficient cause to go to war. In fact, we should declare war on Mexico today and repel its invaders who are killing Americans with cars, drugs and guns.

          • JohnEngelman

            President James Knox Polk provoked the Mexican War by ordering the U.S. Army to enter a part of Mexico that had had never been part of Texas. When the Mexican Army was attacked he said that Americans had been attacked on American soil, but this was not true.

          • nathan wartooth

            How? By giving up half of America to them? Mexico started the war and the US finished it. Educate yourself.

            http://www.amren.com/ar/1995/09/index.html

          • Michael_C_Scott

            You’re obviously not partly Amerind. I am, so I figure I owe them nothing.

            As for the Mexican cession, Mexico declared war on us!

            Do you know anything at all about US history?

          • JohnEngelman

            The U.S,. Army entered a part of Mexico that was not part of the Mexican province of Mexico, and the Mexican Army attacked. That was a deliberately provocative act ordered by President Polk. Then the United States declared war against Mexico.

          • Michael_C_Scott

            Dictator Santa Anna declared war on the US when Texas – an independant country at the time – voluntarily joined the United States.

            Idiot.

          • JohnEngelman

            Congress declared war on Mexico on May 13, 1846, after only having a few hours to debate. Although President Paredes’s issuance of a manifesto on May 23 is sometimes considered the declaration of war, Mexico officially declared war by Congress on July 7.
            http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican%E2%80%93American_War#Declaration_of_war

        • Gracchus123

          A people who can take land and hold it, own it as long as they can hold it.

          • JohnEngelman

            Then why are you afraid of competing intellectually with high IQ Jews and Orientals?

          • deffe

            Easy. Because those same people force us to compete with intellectual incompetents who drive down our wages.

          • Prof. Maxmillion Negrao

            Whites require a medium in which whites may cultivate knowledge as a race.
            Competition from races outside the United States form negative barriers that sabotage a healthy white environment.

    • potato78

      Yes, Sincerely true.
      Only American Indians have the right to complain about “race displacement and genocide”.

      White Americans owed a biggest apology to American Indians.

      Therefor, White Americans have to sincerely help our American Indians out of the poverty to wash out sins white Americans have done to American Indians.

      • nathan wartooth

        They are in “poverty” for the same reason why the poverty rate is higher for Hispanics and Blacks than Whites and Asians. Not because of anything that was done to them hundreds of years ago.

      • Le Fox

        They were already engaging in genocide before the white man arrived.

        We owe them nothing. If given the means, they would still kill each other.

    • David Ashton

      Race replacement can take more than one form. Do the American Indians have any right to complain about Chinese settlement in the USA?

      • JohnEngelman

        They have the same right that you do, and perhaps with greater justice.

        • nathan wartooth

          Once the country is taken over by nonwhites the American Indians are going to be praying for Whites to take back over.

          You really think that Hispanics, Blacks or Asians give a crap about what happened to them and are going to allow them to keep their reservations and everything that goes along with them?

          Especially Hispanics and Blacks are famous for not caring about anyone but their race. They will take their land and their casinos and give them to people of their own race.

          • IstvanIN

            American Indians will intermarry with Mexicans and lower their average IQ. The blacks will be a nasty problem for all.

    • Indiana Guy

      you are so predictable, your programming has been superb.

    • Indiana Guy

      Research “the Fort Mims Massacre” and then tell me who committed genocide against whom?

    • Le Fox

      So…Native Americans themselves?

  • pcmustgo

    I’m actually quite surprised by how big, how much land, Indian Reservations occupy today. It looks like if you added up all the Indian Reservation land today, it would equal a state about the size of…. idk, Ohio.

  • pcmustgo

    There weren’t that many Indians here… 10 MILLION IN THE WHOLE COUNTRY…. lol, that’s like the population of NYC spread across all 50 states. Not much. Most died of disease (90%) and many married out and died out via miscegenation.

    • The__Bobster

      The number I saw was 2-3 million. Given the way they lived, it couldn’t support many more of them.

      • Indiana Guy

        yes, but their numbers are growing now as many people classify themselves as “Indian”, just ask Elizabeth Warren.

        • ed91

          with elizabeth’s lack of character and obvious lying, she would have been right up there with Mark Twains definition of indian behavior.

          • Gracchus123

            She will fit in well in the Senate.

  • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

    History of whites interactions with Indians as taught just before the PC-multiculti era — from Dictatorship of Virtue [by Richard Bernstein]:

    The most popular text of the first half of the twentieth century, David Saville Muzzey’s An American History, was first published in 1911….

    He provided a powerful description of the treatment of the Indians, who, he said, “were cheated by rascally government officials, fed on rotten rations, debauched of whiskey, and robbed of their lands.”

    [Now it gets interesting. Imagine a public school teacher of the PC era dealing with the following text]

    Muzzey, however, portrayed the Indians as primitives and savages. In his 1941 revision, he talked of the treatment of the Indians as “a chapter of dishonor” for white men, but the Indians themselves, he said, “nowhere advanced beyond the stage of barbarism … They had some noble qualities, such as dignity, courage, and endurance, but at bottom they were a treacherous, cruel people who inflicted terrible tortures upon their captured enemies.”

    • NYB

      Paul Kane was an Irish-born Canadian painter who undertook two voyages through the wild Canadian northwest and Oregon in 1845 and from 1846 to 1848.

      In addition to his photogragh-like paintings capturing the primitive condition of the aboriginals, he also documented savage cruelty among their own, including slavery, torture, suicide, gambling, and mutilation of victims of their perpetual tribal wars.

      • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

        Nor did Teddy Roosevelt mince words. From Roosevelt’s Hunting Trips of a Ranchman (1885):

        “During the past century a good deal of sentimental nonsense has been talked about our taking the Indians’ land. Now, I do not mean to say for a moment that gross wrong has not been done the Indians, both by Government and individuals, again and again. The government makes promises impossible to perform, and then fails to do even what it might toward their fulfillment and where brutal and reckless frontiersmen are brought into contact with a set of treacherous, revengeful, and fiendishly cruel savages a long series of outrages by both sides is sure to follow. But as regards taking the land, at least from the western Indians, the simple truth is that the latter never had any real ownership in it at all. Where the game was plenty, there they hunted; they followed it when it moved away to new hunting-grounds, unless prevented by stronger rivals; and to most of the land on which we found them they had no stronger claim than that of having a few years previously butchered the original inhabitants.”

        • pcmustgo

          They were nomadic and ran into trouble with whites who were not nomadic…. and were farming the land and the Indians would come back years later and say “you stole my land”/

          • The__Bobster

            Some tribes sold the same land over and over again to Whites. The concept of land ownership was foreign to them, so I suppose they thought they were renting it.

        • http://twitter.com/AgentAxis D.B. Cooper

          I might as well hop on the bandwagon too. Here is what Mark Twain thought of the indian:
          “He is ignoble – base and treacherous, and hateful in every way. Not even imminent death can startle him into a spasm of virtue. The ruling trait of all savages is a greedy and consuming selfishness, and in our Noble Red Man it is found in its amplest development. His heart is a cesspool of falsehood, of treachery, and of low and devilish instincts … The scum of the earth!”
          I happen to be about 6% (1/16) apache myself, but all I seem to have left of that heritage is a hairline that will never recede, and I’m 44.

          • E_Pluribus_Pluribus

            To further debunk the regnant ideology of the West, multi-culturalism, let’s look at a key reason the vast Aztec empire of 500 years ago — in what is now Mexico — fell to a few hundred Spanish conquistadors: The Aztecs brutalized neighboring tribes. Many eagerly allied themselves with conquistador leader Hernan Cortes:

            “The caciques [chiefs] of Tlaxcala [a semi-independent state Cortez encountered on the way to the Aztec capital] warned Cortez that Montezuma could put 150,000 warriors in the field . . . The Tlaxcalans explained how he [Montezuma] extracted heavy taxes in the form of gold, silver, feathers and precious jewels, and he demanded that large numbers of men and women be sent to his capital as sacrifices to his gods…” (CORTEZ and the Aztec Conquest, by Irwin R. Blacker, pp51-52)

  • NYB

    How about an animated GIF showing the post-war timeline of non-white colonization of the U.S.?

    • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100004539873743 William Wilson

      Just play it backwards.

  • StillModerated

    The Indians never valued land. They only valued what they could carry with them. Plus their women did the work, raised the kids rustled up the food. All the men did was plan on stealing stuff from other tribes — including whites. Sort of like another minority tribe of savages which shall remain nameless.

    • http://www.facebook.com/people/Aunti-Occupy/100003232140389 Aunti Occupy

      Male Indians only concern was chasing down female Buffalo to violate. They sold their land for sharp knives and guns so they could take scalps and shoot white people. Indians only cared about how many white scalps and raped white women they could obtain.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ran-Kelvin/100000674993311 Ran Kelvin

    So what I come away from this is with the sense that the Eurpeans that settled this part of the world, despite overwhelming numbers, technology and ability, did not wipe out the red man and as a matter of fact, has since given them land and largesse beyond any conquered peoples in history. Those evil white men.

    • Oil Can Harry

      We forced them to stop practicing cannibalism, slavery and human sacrifice, doubled their lifespans and gave them far more freedom and personal wealth than they would’ve had under their previous stone age existence.

      So of course they hate us with every fiber of their being…

      • http://www.facebook.com/people/William-Miller/1038049949 William Miller

        Wow. Just. Wow. Well said.

        (You know of course, that saying this means you’re racist, right?) =/

        • Oil Can Harry

          It makes me “racist” by MSNBC standards. Along with everyone else to the right of Ted Kennedy.

        • eavesmac

          You mean that johnny-come-lately term that is meant to insult anyone not buying into the big white-guilt lie? Then I’m a racist too.

      • Luca

        And to show their appreciation they’ve been getting drunk ever since.

    • The__Bobster

      The Abos in Oz almost died out, too, but the bleeding hearts saved them from extinction.

  • negrolocaust

    i don’t really care about indians, blacks, mexicans, all my life i hear their sob story about how they were mistreated by the white man. they were weak and they lost thats life. maybe we did take their land. so what? why didnt they fight and win. maybe we did take slaves. so what? if they are so great why didnt they fight ? maybe we did defeat mexico and take their land. good . i have a nice house a good life. i am sick of these weak people crying like babies complaining about how unfair life is. maybe thats why they could not fight back and lost the wars or were taken as slaves. any white who feels guilt about that stuff is a weak coward as well otherwise known as a liberal defined as a mentally ill weak coward who belongs in a mental hospital. if slaves built this country good thanks i have a good life because of slaves great thank you now get out of my face.

  • MerlinV

    Please establish as fact that North America belonged to Indians. My understanding is that Indians freely murdered (and sometimes consumed) each other over hunting lands and so on. Such was the manner of Indians who were living as roaming nomads. Well the white man showed up. Consider him as just another tribe of man who employed the same means as the Indian himself to gain hunting lands. They fought. The white man won. Sorry bleeding heart pretend-your-White liberals. Just the way it is. I’m glad we won.

    • GM (Australia)

      Yes, the do-gooders always seem to think that before the white man came, all indigenous peoples everywhere (including here in Australia) were living an ideal existence of peace and harmony with with each other, their spirit gods and with nature. Nothing could be further from the truth, their existence was beyond miserable and filled with continual strife and deprivation at every level.

    • FourFooted_Messiah

      They also shoot themselves in the foot by claiming that their ancestors had no conception of land-as-property.

      Oh, really? Wolves mark out their territory, in a way that indicates they understand that they :”own” the land they live on, and strive to keep rival packs of their own kind out of it.

      If Indians were truly dumber than territorial wild animals, there would have been no need to make treaties with them – after all, they didn’t own the land in the first place. Our treaties should have been made with wolves and other territorial creatures, who DO see themselves as owning the land on which they live!

  • dhs

    The main weakness of the North Americans in fighting off the European invasion was their disunity. They were divided into tribes that had been waging war against each other. They did not realize that it would be in the interest of all to put aside their hatreds, and unite against the European invaders. Instead, often tribes would ally themselves with the Europeans to fight other Americans. This enabled the Europeans to gain a foothold on the east coast. After that the Americans were doomed.

    • GM (Australia)

      Just like the weakness and the disunity of white people in Western nations today in allowing what we have built and created to be taken over and generally destroyed by 3rd world immigrants.

    • Indiana Guy

      That may be true, but they had other weaknesses. An inferior technology for one thing. They could get their hands on guns, but they could not make them.

      • carcocaput

        Also the women wanted the metal pots and woven materials, such as blankets. Never discount the women as a sourco of underminding.

  • dd121

    I hope everyone understands that the displacement of one group of humans by another group of humans is just how the human animal functions. It’s happened thousands of times in the past 40,000 years. I seriously doubt you could find one autochthonous group of humans in the world. It doesn’t mean that the displaced are morally superior to the people who moved/killed them. It just means they were weaker. Hell the Indians killed more of each other than whites ever did.

  • ageofknowledge

    What they always seem to omit is that there were about 2 million Native Americans when the pilgrims landed. Today we have over 330 million Americans.

  • IKantunderstand

    First of all, that so called present day map of Indian lands is crap. And of course, by crap , I mean s… inaccurate. And look, let me make this very simple. War is about defeating the opposition, and taking their land. It has been the way of the world forever. The Indians of America made war on each other. Despite present day unrealistic attitudes of human behavior, this earth has seen nothing but one ethnic group or another conquering another ethnic group. And, I’m not gonna lie, Europeans have been at the forefront of these ethnic conflicts. What’s frustrating the hell out of me is the fact that the current European people are doing absolutely NOTHING to stop third world immigration into their countries. Is it because the fact that Europeans spent so many hundreds of years sending their young and strong to fight these battles that they were left with males who were weak ? And is it perhaps true, that America became the strongest nation on the Earth because, she was founded by exceptionally brave and resourceful men and women who took a chance coming to this new world. We are their descendants.We need to stop third world immigration coming into this country NOW. Not just illegal immigration, but legal immigration as well. What good is it being descended from Vikings, if you don’t act on it?

    • The__Bobster

      For generations, Europeans sent their best and their brightest into the military to be killed off. And just look at the results.

    • laager

      “And is it perhaps true, that America became the strongest nation on the Earth because, she was founded by exceptionally brave and resourceful men and women who took a chance coming to this new world.”

      Other new world countries were also built on the same pioneering spirit.

      America became strong because a big continent became a unified homogeneous nation with one language, one currency, a strong work ethic, a big well educated population producing many creative minds which produced all manner of inventions which delivered an improved quality of life for all within a free market capitalist economy.

      Best of all, until the advent of inter-continental missiles, it was a safe huge island protected by big oceans, a friendly allie to the north, a polar ice cap to the far north, and a short border with a non threatening neighbour to the south.

      This all added up to making it the biggest most powerful majority white country on the planet free from external attack. The population could focus on progress and prosperity without the negative diversion of war.

      What a tragedy that the incumbent President appears to be intent on undermining all these great achievements with his forthcoming socialist policies.

  • NFL Monday

    Europeans took a continent and turned it into a powerhouse.

    Now the country is faced with the threat of devolution in the pursuit of egalitarian rights without the right to think outside the matrix.

    Its time to return to common sense and remember the the great law of peace.

  • Eagle_Eyed

    More often than not the people quick to point out the “genocide” of American Indians are not Indian people–but usually a white, liberal woman. Of course they aren’t volunteering to give their property back to a Comanche and move to their European homeland, but I digress. The few full-blood (or majority) American Indians I’ve met have been quite pleasant and are certainly wise enough to understand that they benefit quite a bit from Western medicine, technology, and social peace.

    Immigration helped both grow and extend the United States. The Indians who “claimed” these vast amounts of land did so under a much different system of property rights from our Anglo-common law understanding. Being nomadic, Indians didn’t set up cities with laws like Whites did. They constantly warred amongst each other–and many either assimilated/married into White families (as was the case with my ancestors) or retreated to reservations and diminished demographically.

    Also, Oklahoma didn’t become a state until 1907–Indians still had sovereignty and land rights (and still do) here. So it isn’t accurate to say Indian nations ceded control to the Federal government. And if they ceded control, is it too much to ask for the US government to quit giving massive tax breaks and welfare to them?

    • rocktot

      In the TV series Northern exposure, the Alaskan Indians were ‘half and half’ about Whites. Just as you stated above. Northern Exposure was created just before the fall of communism, and was not that PC, although its a ‘Liberal’ show.

      • FourFooted_Messiah

        That show would have been about peo[le half Dene and halfc inuit, and realy. dene hate inuit. as Cree hate dene.

    • ed91

      white, liberal women

      where would we be without them?

  • rocktot

    Oh, and the Cherokee peoples may have been the left-over decendents of the first European/humans to hit America 10,000-12,000 years ago

  • freddy_hills

    Marxists wish to use Indians as a battering ram against America. Some Indians may get off on this. Others don’t. Let’s not be baited into dissing Indians as a defense against Marxist attacks. Indians aren’t the problem. Marxists are.

    • FourFooted_Messiah

      +Indeed, and many Cree see the difference, imhe.

  • Jeddermann.

    OH, thank GOD for it too. 1 million square miles of arable land laying fallow and not put into production not fertile and producing an abundance of crops and food for the entire world. That settling of North America one of the GREATEST achievements of all humanity for the last 5,000 years.

    • ed91

      From 1500 (approx time of settlement of Cuba etc), the growth and settlement of America was what spurred the Industrial revolution on through the years up to now.

      The massive technology growth was the result of the spreading white population from Europe to the east coast of America and on to the west. Throw in Australia for good measure. From the European ships of the 16th century and their refinement over the next decades and centuries, though the covered wagons of the 19th century and eventually to the automobile and even space vehicles, the catalyst was the European’s growth and spreading through those 5 centuries. Nothing remotely similar has ever occurred.

      Asians expanding west resulted in Polynesian canoe builders and the native americans. Africans expanding west resulted in the stone age aborigines of Australia.

      Asians spreading east resulted in Genghis Khan (yes, I know it’s the 13th century) whose greatest technology advancement was allowing an opening rather than the complete encirclement of a vanquished army. That way it was easier to allow a pursuit and the hacking down of the enemy. Africans spreading east occurred from Europeans in their ignorance bringing black slaves to the new world. Would that they had stayed with indentured servants.

      The main beneficial accomplishment of the last 2000 years (and maybe more) was the technological advances from the white people.

      Any others laying claim to achievements are grabbing on to peanuts and other coattails of the White race from Europe.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Australian Aboriginees are not very closely related to Africans.

  • Jeddermann.

    “How about an animated GIF showing the post-war timeline of non-white colonization of the U.S.?” There is such a thing. Shows the Mexican influx to the LA area and how in just a few decades the place has gone from white to Mexican.

  • Jeddermann.

    “has since given them land and largesse beyond any conquered peoples in history. Those evil white men.” American Indians actually enjoy a legal status unique among all peoples of the world. Are both citizens of the U.S. and citizens of their respective sovereign American Indian nation. They are a citizen of the U.S. but you as a whitey cannot EVER be a citizen of their sovereign American Indian nation.

  • Terry

    One thing that should be mentioned is that the American Indians were not first on the North American, Central American, our South American Continents. White Europeans were. White Europeans were in the America continents some 6,000 years before the Indians arrived by way of Alaska. Over 25% of the American Indians are direct descendants of white Europeans. This is no doubt why some of them displayed courage, nobility, and endurance. Archeologists are now finding evidence that it was the Indians that slaughtered the whites. Indian folklore even mention this. The whites were known as the Cloud people. Any Indian that was good looking was from European descent. The white Indians were Ojibwe, Cherokee, Cheyenne, Fox, Sac, Potawatamee, Shawnee, and just about all of the Indians that were on the eastern coast. The Indians that came from the Alaska coast were actually savages. The American Indians never owned any land; so therefore, the whites never stole the land in the first place. The Indians actually got their just desserts, simply because God Yahweh was already establishing a place for his people in the America’s. The United States of America will be the regathering place of God Yahweh’s people Israel. In Gothic America literally means, “Kingdom of Heaven.”

  • Harumphty_Dumpty

    When I was young, the term “native American” meant simply myself or any other person like myself who was a native of the U.S.! (This was back before our new state religion, Our Most Holy Church of PC, successfully undertook to stand the English language on its head).

    So, using the term “native American” in its original natural meaning, the primary concern of all whites today is,

    “How the West is Being Lost by Native Americans, Native Europeans, etc.”

    It’s being lost of course by our failure to halt the world-wide flooding of white homelands with non-whites, and our being forced by law to integrate with those non-whites so as to “assimilate,” i.e. intermarry and be blended out of existence.

    In other words, “The West is being lost” is just a euphemism for white genocide!

    Some of us for a little time now have been hammering the terms “white genocide” and “anti-white” into white minds, in the belief that the first step to halting white genocide is making those two terms occupy the place in white minds that the R-word presently occupies.

    If any of you are willing to take a moment to help us with that by signing our STOP White Genocide petition on the White House petition site, we will be that much closer to having the 150 signatures necessary for the terms “White Genocide” and “anti-white” to become visible to all whites who scroll through the petitions at that site! Thank you!

    Please sign here:
    https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/petition/stop-white-genocide-through-halting-massive-non-white-immigration-every-white-country-and-only-white/YV5861Tz

  • potato78

    White Americans slogan is “Stop import blacks and latinos”.

    Focus on American Indians using the limited resources.

  • FourFooted_Messiah

    I’ll tell you how it was lost by Native Canadians. They got swamped by whites, plain and simple. They got suckered into wanting our goods, so let us stick around so they could get metal-tipped arrows, and, eventually, guns, as well as Hudson Bay blankets (the warmest you can get, and they made good winter coats), metal utensils and cooking equipment, etc.

    As far as the Prairie Provinces go, one day there was no white men, or at least very few (the occasional French voyageur who had assimilated with Native culture, and gradually made their way West to engender the Metis people). Maybe a few rumrunners, and then a few NWMP to chase them back to the USA. Next day, palefaces everywhere! There was nothing they could do about it.

    Mass immigration is bringing Canadians the same nightmare that our Natives once faced. Well, still must deal with. Once, there were a few “minorities” here and there. Now, they’re everywhere, and are “trickling down” into the smaller cities and towns, which, until recently, weren’t affected much.

    I’m just grateful that our Indians are “racist”, and would rather deal with white folks than with immigrants.

    We could learn much from the story of the Canadian Indian tribes.

  • Simonetta

    Every year in late summer, the restaurant next door to my house has an Indian PowWow in the parking lot. They close the lot and set up a barbeque pit and a big three foot drum. Then from about noon to about 8pm, they pound the drum about 80 times a minute and chant “hey ya… hey ya,… hey ya…” Needless to say, after a few hours, it drives everyone in the neighborhood nuts. But, whatever the neighbors don’t like it, they’re Indians, real Indians, doing real Indian things, real Indian cultural things. Just like they were doing 500 years ago before,… before the white man came.

    Meanwhile, back at the ranch… 500 years ago in Europe where the white man came from, he was doing his cultural thing too. Botticelli and the Ninja turtles were creating masterpiece paintings of eternal feminine beauty ( http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_h9Q2_DTj5iI/S9LulBCDoAI/AAAAAAAAAV4/fSM5C4F6BOA/s640/venus+botticelli+vespucci.png) while at more or less the same time, JS Bach and GF Handel were creating complex harmonic musical masterpieces. Real music played on real musical instruments: not just drum banging and endless …’hey ya, hey ya’ horse*#$%. Comparing the two cultures of these peoples 500 years ago, would you want to place any bets on who would prevail in the long term future?

    But enough of culture. 500 years ago, before the white man came, Indians lived in constant fear that ‘bucks’ from another tribe over the hill that crosses the meadow would sneak in at night, steal their corn, rape and kidnap their women, and beat them to death in their sleep. And they were planning to do the same thing to the ‘bucks’ on the other side of the meadow.

    Now, after 500 years of oppression by the white man, Indians can go anywhere in the world and if anyone gives them any bull#@$%, they whip out a blue passport that clearly states that the holder (beads, feathers, pony-tail and all) is a US citizen and if you #$%^ with him, you answer to Hilary Clinton and/or 5000 Hydrogen bombs (take your pick). So have a nice day and leave the brother alone.

    500 years ago, when precious little Indian baby got sick, Indian daddy went to the sweat house and chanted to Great Spirit for the baby to live. Baby usually died. Now, after after 500 years of oppression by the white man, baby get sick, Indian daddy chant in sweat house while Indian mommy drives baby to free Indian health clinic, run by some of the world’s most advanced doctors. And the baby lives.

    Need I go on? My point is that the Indians are better off now after 500 years of ‘oppression’ than they were 500 years ago. So lighten up on all this ‘white-man oppressor’ nonsense. And for Great Spirit’s Sake, put a blanket inside that 3 foot drum already!!

    • FourFooted_Messiah

      Meanwhile, back at the ranch… 500 years ago in Europe where the white
      man came from, he was doing his cultural thing too. Botticelli and the
      Ninja turtles were creating masterpiece paintings of eternal feminine
      beauty ( http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_h9Q2… while at more or less the same time, JS Bach and GF Handel were creating complex harmonic musical masterpieces

      LOLOLOLOLLOL I gotta give that.

      And yeaH, i WILL admi that I keep things under copntrll by use of MONEY.

  • phoenix

    They are not and never were “native” and not “Americans” and not “native Americans” by any stretch. They were from Asia and of the red yellow mongoloid race who crossed the ice land bridge later named Bering Strait 1500 yrs ago and filtered down leaving their tracks as eskimos, indians, aztecs, myans, amazons, incans, etc.

    America was named America only in 1512 after Amercus Vespucci an Italian explorer who originally called the western hemisphere as a new land and not India in southern Asia where the original Spanish latino Europeans were headed trying to find a back route since the western Asian mongoloid muslims had blocked the trading paths to the Orient.

    European white western religion Xians conquered these pagan savages who practiced human sacrifice, bestiality, cannibalism, and other atrocities in their heathen state. They were conquered and taught white European tongues and culture.

    • FourFooted_Messiah

      Frankly, I think they’re more related to Japanese. Both races, in their pure form, have no body or facial hair. Mongols are hairy guys.

      • Michael_C_Scott

        Japanese have more body hair than mainland Chinese. Japanese men grow rather spectacular beards when fashion allows, though they don’t have the hair on their arms and legs that even I do.

  • jay11

    Major problem with the map. When it shows the increasing area of white settlement, it completely blocks out the areas as if a white person was standing on every square inch of that acquired territory.
    Conversely, when the map begins with the land claims of the indians, it falsely gives the impression that this or that tribe occupied every square foot of land in the territory it ‘claimed.’
    First of all, according to pretty much all historians, the indian population of what we call the lower 48 today was small, less than 2 million from coast to coast and that’s being generous. (Present day Mexico on down was where the tens of millions were, and the Spanish are responsible for what happened there.)
    So a tribe or cultural group shown on the map ‘holding’ a huge territory might have consisted of less than ten or thirty thousand individuals in a territory of hundreds of square miles. We have 30,000 people today in one medium sized town, so the overwhelming majority of the land was truly empty or sparsely populated or lt was used as migration corridors of seasonal hunting grounds.
    The entire mid section of the country, for example, is only sparsely populated by whites. The whites did push some tribes off their lands, no doubt about that, but this map is presenting the wrong impression in a big way, that the land was teeming with indians and that the big bad whites killed tens of millions to get that land.
    The Navajos, for example, suffered more losses in the brief period of spanish incursion, than from american whites, and the american whites gave them a reservation larger than some states and still within their historical range. And as any visitor to the navajo reservation can tell you (like me) the land is very, very sparsely populated, just like it was before Columbus arrived.
    This map sets up a false construct and would be more accurate if the actual population centers of both the Indians and whites were highlighted and all empty or unused lands were the ones in a neutral color.

  • laager

    Most of what is said below by I presume American correspondents could be said of Africa in general. The fundamental difference is that thanks to white benevolence the black population is far bigger than before and enjoying the fruits of western civilisation they were incapable of developing on their own.

    Having said that could someone please explain why South Africa was singled out as the villain of the piece?

    During the apartheid era black South Africans enjoyed the highest standard of living of any black people on the continent. So much so that the National Party government had to build fences along the borders, like that between the USA and Mexico, to keep illegal immigrants, economic migrants, “refugees” and “asylum seekers” out of the country even during this “Crime Against Humanity” period.

    Millions of ZAR were being pumped into he Homelands – no different to US and Canadian Reservations – to make them viable independent states on a par with Lesotho and Swaziland which were acceptable to the west. The British had taken these nine territories from the blacks by conquest between 1806 and 1902 and the Afrikaners were in the process of redressing this injustice between 1948 and 1990 to return them to their original occupants.

    Henry Kissinger, leading a cabel of liberal western nations and the black African UN block supported by the eastern communist block brought South Africa to capitulation by threatening to turn off the nation’s oil supplies. Minority White government had to be replaced by Black majority government which anyone could see had been a disastrous failure since Ghana in 1957.

    Today the fruits of this madness are clearly visible. Post ending apartheid in 1990 unemployment is up, the per capita murder rate exceeds per capita motor vehicle accident deaths (the only country in the world to achieve this dubious distinction), 20% of the white population ( the entrepreneurs, professionals and skilled technicians) has emigrated, the commercial farming population has been reduced by about 50%, about 800,000 whites are now living in “grapes of wrath” poverty with no state support or survival benefits, viable farmlands are being torched and destroyed causing increased unemployment and loss of tax revenue and government is rampantly incompetent, inefficient and corrupt.

    The simple question is why did white western civilisation due this to their kinfolk in Africa?
    Was it to deflect attention from their own misdemeanors in the USA, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and South America?

    Looking at the demographic and political shifts taking place on the planet right now it looks as if these countries and Europe will be confronting their similar crises sometime this century.

    • David Ashton

      Western opinion was constantly bombarded with negative images and stories about apartheid; Penguin Books even had a special paperback section, dominated by communists, for this, and British TV a constantly hostile presentation. Ordinary white people, especially those with personal knowledge or relatives in South Africa and Rhodesia, had no effective influence, and organisations like the Conservative Monday Club or the South Africa Society little impact (I myself participated in a TV “debate” which was cunningly rigged). The US “peaceful engagement” policy was under attack within its own ranks, the Soviet and Maoist exploitation of black revolution too much to resist, and the financial Anglo-American pressures on the SA Afrikaner politicians combined with the swelling black demographic to push the RSA into the hands of the ANC-SACP.

  • whitemans land

    Indians and all the other red race inhabitants in the west came from Asia and are mongoloids. They crossed the Bering ice bridge 1000 years and settled up and down the western hemisphere before the latter day European settlers came beginning with Italian Columbus working for the K&Q of Spain.

    They are savage pagans who practiced pagan rituals like cannibalism, idolatry, bestiality, human sacrifice. They were conquered by the white Europeans and half of them killed off. The survivors were taught either Spanish, English or French. They were not native and were not Americans. America was only named this after Italian Explorer Amerigo Vespucci in 1512.

    They were not allowed to be citizens until Marxist Lincoln defeated the real America of the south where it all started and was founded in 1865.

    Indians are to this day Asian mongoloid migrant American citiizens but NOT native Americans.

    European caucasoids who came west are the real native Americans.

  • california

    So these Asian migrant non-native mongoloids owned it all at one time? What about Central and South America? Why was that excluded and what about the islands? Was the author so blinded by European white race hate they he failed to think of this? And dont forget that the islands changed hands from red to white to black. Do African blacks have any guilt in this matter or do they get a free pass? African slaves revolted and killed all the whites in what was renamed Haiti but that was also indian land too wasnt it? (Indians = Asian mongoloid migrants) Wheres the deed plus didnt the tribes all war and fight and kill off each other and take their land too?

    A lot was left out of this weak lame liberal low IQ article that proves nothing but how stupid and ignorant the writer is. The real owners of the west originally were the animals. Do they not count either? Sounds highly bigoted against the animal owners.

  • Fed Up

    The problem really was that the Native American (Indians) people were unable to compete with a superior culture. Specifically, White European immigrants and their descendants. That the Europeans were able to build the mightiest nation on Earth out of a wilderness peopled by nomadic, semi-savage Indians — speaks for itself. Left to their own, does anyone seriously think the Indians could have done as well on their own? Given they had centuries to prove themselves — before the advent of the White European immigrants.

    That a stronger culture generally would push an weaker culture aside — is a human trait going back to the Ice Age. Europeans saw this a land of opportunity — and capitalized on it. Building farms, later towns and cities. Pooling capital, skills and labor to build railroads, canals and roads linking those cities. That those unfortunate Indians were driven to near extinction is sad, but as much the blame of Indians themselves, as the fault of the White Man. Of course White Greed played an ugly part. As did the often-times savage brutality of the Indians.

    But that is part of history and assigning blame is pointless. Ours was the stronger, therefore successful culture. The nation we built is arguably still the strongest one on this planet.

  • French_reader1

    You took America from nobody. Smallpox and fire water gave you a continent. Only another feat of nature can assist you now.

  • Terry

    However there is one problem with this. The Indians didn’t own any land. They were Nomadic like the Benoin tribesmen of Saudi Arabia. In other words, in reality, no land was actually taken from the Indians. The Indians never set up a permanent culture or civilization, they never had roots. In fact, it was the Indians that attacked the whites first, it was the Indians that broke literally every treaty, It was also the Indians that would kidnap whites and force them to be slave labor in the salt mines. It was also the Indians that give the diseases to the whites first. The Indians were savages unless they were direct descendants of white Europeans. At least 25% of the American Indians were.

  • Don’t Mess With Texas

    The whites are the ones that started Scalping,Cutting up Indians First,,People Really do need to read up on the History before they start calling the Native Americans Barbaric..Movies and TV Shows does not Represent Native American true History..Peace