The Silent Minority

Economist, February 7, 2015

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German-Americans are America’s largest single ethnic group (if you divide Hispanics into Mexican-Americans, Cuban-Americans, etc). In 2013, according to the Census bureau, 46m Americans claimed German ancestry: more than the number who traced their roots to Ireland (33m) or England (25m). In whole swathes of the northern United States, German-Americans outnumber any other group. Some 41% of the people in Wisconsin are of Teutonic stock.

Yet despite their numbers, they are barely visible. Everyone knows that Michael Dukakis is Greek-American, the Kennedy clan hail from Ireland and Mario Cuomo was an Italian-American. Fewer notice that John Boehner, the Speaker of the House of Representatives, and Rand Paul, a senator from Kentucky with presidential ambitions, are of German origin.

Companies founded by German-Americans tend to play down their roots, too: think of Pfizer, Boeing, Steinway, Levi Strauss or Heinz. Buried somewhere on their websites may be a brief note that “Steinway & Sons was founded in 1853 by German immigrant Henry Engelhard Steinway in a Manhattan loft on Varick Street”. But firms that play up their Germanic history–as Kohler does, in a short film shown at the Waelderhaus–are rare.

German immigrants have flavoured American culture like cinnamon in an Apfelkuchen. They imported Christmas trees and Easter bunnies and gave America a taste for pretzels, hot dogs, bratwursts and sauerkraut. They built big Lutheran churches wherever they went. Germans in Wisconsin launched America’s first kindergarten and set up Turnvereine, or gymnastics clubs, in Milwaukee, Cincinnati and other cities.

After a failed revolution in Germany in 1848, disillusioned revolutionaries decamped to America and spread progressive ideas. “Germanism, socialism and beer makes Milwaukee different,” says John Gurda, a historian. Milwaukee is the only big American city that had Socialist mayors for several decades, of whom two, Emil Seidel and Frank Zeidler, were of German stock. As in so many other countries where Germans have settled, they have dominated the brewing trade. Beer barons such as Jacob Best, Joseph Schlitz, Frederick Pabst and Frederick Miller made Milwaukee the kind of city that more or less had to call its baseball team the Brewers.

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During the first world war, parts of America grew hysterically anti-German. Some Germans were spat at in the street. The teaching of their language was banned in schools. Sauerkraut was renamed “liberty cabbage”. German books were burned, dachshunds kicked and German-Americans forced to buy war bonds to prove their patriotism. When New Ulm, a predominantly German town in Minnesota, refused to let its young men join the draft, the National Guard was sent in. After the war, German-Americans hunkered down. Many stopped speaking German and anglicised their names.

The second world war saw less anti-German hysteria, although some 10,000 German-Americans were interned as enemy aliens. President Franklin Roosevelt conspicuously appointed military commanders with names like Eisenhower and Nimitz to fight the Axis powers. But the Holocaust gave German-Americans yet another reason to hide their origins.

Today German-Americans are quietly successful. Their median household income, at $61,500, is 18% above the national norm. They are more likely to have college degrees than other Americans, and less likely to be unemployed. A whopping 97% of them speak only English at home.

They have assimilated and prospered without any political help specially tailored for their ethnic group. “The Greeks and the Irish have a far stronger support network and lobby groups than we do,” says Peter Wittig, Germany’s ambassador in America. There was no German-American congressional caucus until 2010, though there were caucuses for potatoes, bicycles and Albanian affairs. The German caucus has quickly grown to about 100 members, who lobby for trade and investment as well as the preservation of their common cultural heritage.

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  • MekongDelta69

    German-Americans are America’s largest single ethnic group… Yet despite their numbers, they are barely visible.

    Yeah, b/c they’re White and they don’t whine, complain, bitch and moan – just like 98% of all the other European-American Caucasians here.

    • Bryce Armstrong

      Well, except that one time when their führer invented the whole race based grievance industry, murdered six million Jews and started the Second World War.

      • SentryattheGate

        You probably don’t know much WWII history, nor realize that the Communists killed MANY more than the Nazis! The communist Chinese admit to killing ~100 million of their own, the Soviets killed ~50 million of their own, Pol Pot ~1/3 of Cambodia, and more examples that I can’t think of right now.

        • Mary

          Exactly. But according to those who currently possess a stranglehold on the narrative, only Nazis are evil. (and White South Africans and White Southerners, of course) Murderous Communists get a pass.

          • je suis paganisme

            When I was in Germany we met a German woman on a TGV.

            I remarked that Adolf Hitler was basically reacting to Bolshevism and that many Germans of the time identified with an anti-Bolshevist stance.

            She said nothing, but I could see an appreciation in her eyes.

          • Michigan Patriot

            You have noticed the same scenario as I have; brilliant !

      • pcmustgo

        Austrian… Hitler was Austrian apparently?

        • RationaliseThis

          Hitler was born and raised Austrian, however he disliked the Austrian Hapsburgs for compromising the interests of ethnic Germans to gain favour with other groups they wanted to absorb in to their empire. He was a pan German nationalist in favour of German unity which was very popular at the time: One must understand that prior to 1871 Germany was 16 principalities often at odds with each other and at the whim of a much larger and often unstable France: the Louis and latter Napoleons kept invading, taking land and population while the princes had spilled blood fighting German against German wars. German unity only became possible after Prussias defeat of France in the Franco Prussian war. With the German loss in WW1 Hopes of German unity were reversed with large German populations engineered into newly created nations such as the Suddeten Germans (once part of Bavaria, then Austria)

          Hitler volunteered for the German, rather than Austrian army. This and two iron crosses effectively guaranteed him German citizenship. Several attempts made to arrest him failed: an armed Hitler with those iron crosses displayed tended to make most men back away. One cross was for capturing single handily and alive virtually an entire French platoon.

      • Michigan Patriot

        No ! The punitive, non-Christian ,economic punishment inflicted upon the German citizens caused the reason for an Adolf Hitler to be successful; he told them them the truth that their dire economic conditions that had to be fixed pronto; the hatred of the English & French governments are at fault here for causing W.W. II. !

    • Earl P. Holt III

      They don’t wear their pants at their knees, engage in the “Knock-out Game,” and they are not synonymous with violent crime, illegitimacy, welfare and low I.Q.s, either…

    • Laurence Almand

      I believe we also have the lowest proportion of people on welfare, and the lowest number of children born out of wedlock.
      All this hogwash you hear about “White privilege” is garbage.

      • Earl P. Holt III

        I thought “white privilege” referred to the honor of being taxed to subsidize the dumbest, laziest, most violent, most criminal, and least grateful race since “Homo Habilis.”

  • SentryattheGate

    I remember reading that German average IQ is 109, higher then the 107 quoted for northern Asians (ref. an article presented by Amren a year or so ago?). Being such a creative, intelligent people, it is unfortunate that Germany is having such a “demographic winter”!

    • Yeah, but some Germans are TOO smart. Remember, it was the Germans that brought socialist ideas to America before the Jews did. You need to be a little bit dumber like the Irish (ME!); we just salute the flag and love this country!

      • Sick of it

        The Kaiser should have exterminated every one of the Marxist vermin from the start. No one else would have dared speak their lies.

        • Isn’t it strange how Germany prospered economically and politically far more after the reign of Adolf Hitler than after the Kaiser?

      • Raymond Kidwell

        Reminds me of a long time ago I read about the colonial Germans living on the frontier. They disliked the Irish because they were lazier than Germans, not as tidy. But they liked them because when they were attacked by Indians the Irish were a little bit crazy and more willing to fight them off. Germans can be too civilized.

        I never noticed Germans to be extremely smart though. They seem of average intelligence, but just good with fixing things and working machinery and things like that. Jews are the book worms of Europe, to a lesser degree the English or French maybe. Germans make good soldiers because they are disciplined. Tend to be very clean and hard working. Not really anything special in the brains department other than being inventive.

        My great grandma was born in Germany. Even when she was in her 90s she would scrub the walls and stuff. The house would be perfectly clean as though nobody lived in it. She grew most of her own food, and the garden never had a weed in it. Even from somebody old and decrepit. That’s pretty much stereotypical German behavior. Myself i didn’t get those genes. I’m pretty messy. I get bored doing monotonous work like cleaning.

        The reason all these blond mormon looking nordic types tend to be successful is that they are civilized. They work together, care about other people etc. They don’t waste a lot of time screwing each other over. Not because they are geniuses. Most of my white trash family fights and argues with each other. I guess it’s the irish genes.

        Your French people are the ones that are lazy and argue with each other all the time, but are also philosophers and pretty intellectual. Maybe to some degree northern Italians and some other Latins like Spanish are like that. The French are thinkers and thus have a lot of complexity in their culture. Some of the best chefs are either french or italian, complex wine making, perfumes, philosophers, schemes etc.

        Germans by contrast most of them are simple people that just like to work all day. Amish are a case in point. They are successful because they are honest, altruistic, team players, sacrifice themselves for the group etc.

        • Thank you. Yes, I get a little offended at some of the comments concerning various White ethnic groups here. I respect Germans as a group for the reasons you outlined, but please, I am tired of all the anti-Irish comments made by others on this discussion. First, Ireland is today one of the most prosperous countries in Europe per capita. This despite being brutally exploited throughout its history by the British. Second, Irish Catholics are on average one of our wealthiest ethnic groups, I think even surpassing Germans. This in contrast to Africans that are permanently handicapped by inferior genes. Anyway, thanks again for your comments.

        • Sick of it

          “Jews are the book worms of Europe, to a lesser degree the English or French maybe.”

          “Not really anything special in the brains department other than being inventive.”

          So some joker who memorizes information is smarter than the folks who have invented…everything? Another interesting Jewish supremacist comment on Amren.

          • Augustus3709

            Good point. We should remember during the Middle Ages Jews wanted to go to Germany, Germans didn’t want to go to the Middle East.

          • The Dude

            Not just memorization. Jews as a whole tend to be good with money, at human relations, and on adminstrative stuff. They also tend to master sarcasm.

            Indigenous Germans tend to be better at mechanics, machinery, running things like a clock. They tend to have a good sense of tidiness and discipline, very akin to that of some East Asian populations.

            Both Germans and Jews also tend to be utopists, and come up with revolutionary doctrines and ideologies (Marxism, Nazism, Socialism, etc.)

            Those are good cognitive qualities. And it’s not supremacism to recognize them. Especially that it doesn’t mean that those traits can’t be found in other populations.

        • notyranny

          Not much in the brains department? They just invent things? WTF?

          • Raymond Kidwell

            There are different forms of intelligence. One can be good at math, but not good with memorization or maybe gullible etc. and vice versa. Simply because someone is good at tinkering with machines or inventing new machines does not mean they are particularly sharp in other areas. But there is an even bigger phenomenon here- just because 1 out of 100,000 invents something new doesn’t mean the other 99,000 are all geniuses.

            Your typical Germanic is rather average in intelligence, although above average with machines, visual spacial etc. and above average in creativity. It doesn’t mean they are great lawyers or businessmen.

            Take your stereotypical redneck who is really great at chopping motorcycles, fixing cars, coming up with innovative solutions (like putting together a rain collector out of junk scrap), good at building things like raising a barn or whatever, but no really a genius with people. Not a book worm. Usually not college educated. That’s more of your stereotypical Germanic. The strengths of Germanics are inventiveness, good with machines, good warriors, good farmers occasionally turns out a math or musical genius although it skips around generations.

            Your typical Ashkenazi Jew is the opposite. He’s not real good at fixing stuff, not as inventive but really good with words and books, possibly with math or accounting.

            Take an East Asian for example as well who might excel at school and do really well on math tests but have trouble patching a hole in drywall, certainly can’t seem to fix his own car.

            Germanics are not book worm intellectual types who score real high on written tests. They are builders and inventors.

          • notyranny

            I understand that intellect is categorical,however, I would argue that Germans possess more intellect in more categories than just about anyone. Empirical evidence abounds.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            If they are such geniuses they wouldn’t be a dying race nor handing over everything to muslims, Jews and foreigners.

      • Jon W Hinch

        I am sure many of those Germans are also Jewish

        • Very few Jews lived in Germany. Maybe one or two percent of their people. No, there is a strong socialist tendency among some northern European Whites. We must recognize the pathological altruism within our own people if we are to resist it.

          • Jon W Hinch

            I am from England of Yorkshire roots . I am aware of that fact

        • Laurence Almand

          Do some research and you will realize that the German Jews were like almost all other Germans: intelligent, law-abiding and hard-working. Read about the Rothschilds and Otto Kahn, to name only a few.

      • Laurence Almand

        Keep in mind that Karl Marx was a German Jew – a traitor to all productive Germans and Jews.

        • Augustus3709

          A spoiled trust-fund baby rebelling against his wealthy capitalist parents. Communism is over-compensation.

      • notyranny

        Most Irish are of Viking stock, the Vikings pretty much overran the island.

        • FinnShane

          They didn’t overrun the island so much as found port cities such as Cork and most importantly Dublin. They were concentrated more on the east coast and left the west coast and interior alone for the most part, except for raiding. The Irish eventually drove them out and assimilated those who stayed.

    • Michigan Patriot

      Amen !

    • No, the average German IQ is around 100, definitely under 104. Maybe before they got rid of the Jews and exchanged them for Turks, it was higher?

      • SentryattheGate

        Where do you get that figure? The number I read, 109, was for ethnic Germans, not including foreigners who happen to live in Germany.

        • nowhere ever have I seen such high numbers. No Richard Lynn, nowhere. If you have them, please cite them.

          It seems to me that Germans have an outstanding work ethic, correctness, punctuality, creative sense of engineering that exacerbates their IQ. Or rather, makes the most out of their IQ. Something like that must be the reason for their above average success in all scientific, engineering undertakings.

          • SentryattheGate

            I wish I could remember where I read that a couple years ago or so. Maybe here on Amren?

    • bilderbuster

      Merkel should shut her fat trap about the Germans protesting against the filthy immigrants and work on a policy to promote more German births.

    • Fr. John+

      They never will, as long as they have to wallow in the manufactured guilt for a crime no one living ever committed, about a lost war, 60 years ago, by a race that Scripture says ‘are no true people.'[ Rev. 2:8,9] But that industry (as Norman Finkelstein noted) keeps raking in billions of Euros, so the Germans must remain in perpetual Selbsthass mode, for one group, alone. Schade.

      • SentryattheGate

        Ja, das schade! The Nazi era was only about 12 years, but Germans are forever branded with that, despite the centuries of benefit they were and are, to the human race.

  • Chip Carver

    The Germans entered the US without much resistance and as usual (and to be expected) despite later problems, did very well. Compare that to hispanics who are catered to from cradle to grave – or from whenever they set foot in the former US, or to blacks, who are handed incredible advantages and still flounder. But lets face it, with the latter two groups, we’re generally dealing with primitive tribal peoples; Amerindians, mestizos, Africans.

    • Alexandra1973

      My German ancestors on my maternal grandfather’s side came to New York in the early 18th century. During the American Revolution they sided with England. After that they were pretty much persona non grata and there was land set aside for such people in Ontario (near London).

      My great-grandfather was the youngest of a dozen children. Half his siblings were born in Ontario, and his parents moved to Michigan where the other half were born. Because my ancestors were United Empire loyalists, I’m entitled to a UE behind my name. But I’m an American, so I pass. 🙂

      If you’ve ever been near London and you see Woodhull Road and Kilbourne Road…those were named after my ancestors. My 5th-great-grandparents were a Woodhull and a Kilbourne.

      • Libertarian67

        As I read this it sounds similar to my ancestry including the last names in fact I would not be surprised to find we have a common ancestor. I have a book written in the 1800’s about the family that covers back to the 1300’s.
        My ancestors are English, Scots and German and almost all members of my family both fraternal and maternal have above average to genius IQ’s. Many of us eschewed college degrees due to the rigidity and wastefulness of time, energy and money and yet have done a very good job of making it in the world. I have made it a practice to live in predominately white communities to be around others of my culture.

        • Alexandra1973

          You got Schram ancestry?

          The earliest Schram ancestor I know of is Paulus von Horm Schram, born in either Buttgen or Wilgersdorf, Germany, in 1557.

    • Laurence Almand

      My German ancestors settled in the Ohio Valley in the 19th century. They had no welfare or any kind of aid, and they built a prosperous society through their own hard work. Yes, they were “disadvantaged” in every sense of the word, but they did not sit and whine and expect the government to take care of them.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      Back then it was pretty easy to work and be middle class except during the depression era. Today you either need to know people or else have a college degree to screw in a light bulb. If they didn’t hand piles of welfare out, I doubt there would be much incentive for most normal people to immigrate to the U.S.

      Even with modern Eastern Europeans they have set up a lot of loans and job programs that help them out. Not to the degree of non-whites, but if it wasn’t for welfare it would be hard to survive in this country. I think part of projecting American power is to keep this myth going that this is the land of opportunity. Meanwhile at home bridges are collapsing, unemployment is high, you can’t live off minimal wages etc. The export of jobs means more wealth is concentrated in fewer hands sort of necessitates the socialism. It was a different country back then, based on hard work. We didn’t have free trade or anti-labor policies.

  • I have always admired the German people. Though they are by no means perfect (which racial or ethnic group is?), they are a wonderful people: Hardworking, organized, greatly skilled, very intelligent, creative, stoic and detailed-oriented. I admire such qualities.

    • Christorchaos

      RaAAAAAAAY-cist! (-;

    • Samuel Hathaway

      Remember that Germany was the center of the Reformation which overlapped with the Renaissance era of the 1400-1500s. A center of European-Caucasian scientific genius, as well. Johann Gutenburg changed the world with the moveable type-print press in 1450. In Renaissance Europe, the arrival of mechanical movable type printing introduced the era of mass communication which permanently altered the structure of society.

      Just a nice note on White History Month here for February. Whites are so good at inventing everything there’s no need to even notice anyone else.

      • Speedy Steve

        But but but but a light-skinned colored man invented the dustpan.

        • Well, that’s just because he was tired of cleaning ‘Massa’s’ house using only his bare hands.

        • phillyguy

          No, he invented the shoe shine brush.

        • Laurence Almand

          Booker T. Washington had a White father – which is probably where he got his intelligence and drive.

      • phillyguy

        geez and I thought it was invented by a negro, man what they teach kids today.

        • Samuel Hathaway

          You know, everytime I hear that a black “invented this, invented that”, I just tell myself… “that’s a lie.” “They didn’t invent that.” “somebody else did that.”… somebody else made that happen.”

      • archer

        A perfect venue for the showcasing of Euro-American ingenuity is the program “how it’s made”, I constantly marvel at the intricate machinery used in the manufacturing of just about everything today and have a healthy respect for the engineering talent that makes these machines possible.

    • SentryattheGate

      Thank you!

    • pcmustgo

      They also immigrate here and speak perfect, un-accented English, along with other groups, like Scandanavians. They assimilate seamlessly. I often have no idea the ones I meet here in NYC are even immigrants, they look and act all-American to me. They are also the best looking out of all the European races, in my opinion, both their women and men. Tall and more curvy/muscular than say, the British or the French.They have nice bone structure.

      • wildfirexx

        That’s because we’re all from the same tribe!
        Whites generally get along better with other whites, than they do with other races.
        But for some reason the Powers that be…want to change all that.
        Create a sort of Tower of Babel..ism society you might say, where we all are different for one another, and don’t assimulate so easily!
        This in turn causes more instability, which allows the Elite at the Top more control. (eg. look at how our rights and freedoms have been reduced, since 911).

      • Laurence Almand

        Look at Marlene Dietrich – a very beautiful, and also very intelligent, German female.

    • They do have socialist tendencies though. I live near Philadelphia. Why did Philadelphia fair better than Detroit? Because they had more Germans/Scandinavians, and we had more Irish and Italians. We knew better how to handle black militants (Like our former mayor Frank Rizzo). Even Jews are more urban and street smart than German Teutonics. You need Germans for technical stuff, but keep the Irish as the cops.

      • SentryattheGate

        Frank Rizzo was a tough St Louis Chief of police, an area with many of German descent (before he became mayor of Philly) .

        • Cid Campeador

          I checked several sources and can’t find any mention of the Big Bambino being PC of St. Louis another historic city in which you don’t want to walk around at night. Very sad.

          • SentryattheGate

            It was way back in the 70’s; perhaps my memory fails me. Rizzo was a candidate for St. Police Chief, but apparently did not get the job.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        Germans/Scandinavians are the world’s best soldiers but they need to be told what to do. So long as the objective is laid out in front of them they will perform well in combat, but lack the street smarts to act on their own.

        I used to be gullible myself. I learned from hard experience not to rely on authority to do anything right.

        • Sick of it

          And now you denigrate the men who invented modern military theory…

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I don’t believe in this ‘whites are the best’ stuff. I think you need to be a realist. People like to look at others doing worse than them and say “I am superior to that” instead of looking at people doing better and saying “I need to compete with that”. That’s the problem with a lot of white nationalists. They are average people who convinced themselves that they and their race are on top of everything. I see whites as victims, and not at the top of the power scale. Certainly if whites ruled the world I wouldn’t be discriminated against everytime I apply for a job, or go to college. That narrative is what the marxists invented who hate white people.

            Another comment here saying I am a jewish supremacist. I don’t believe in the special privileges for Jews and zionist agenda. I do admire that Jews have organized themselves to protect their own interests and people and would say that is what other whites should be emulating.

            These are all very basic stereotypes as well, regarding the average person. Plenty of exceptions exist. The average person is not that remarkable but geniuses and such exist who invent things and propel humanity forward.

            Whites remind me of nero playing a fiddle while Europe burns. Their entire race is on the verge of extinction, completely oppressed, and always the victim of negative discrimination against them (affirmative action, violent assaults against whites, huge bias against whites in the media) and all they can say is “I’m superior and anybody that disagrees with me is wrong”. I think there are bigger issues at hand. I’ll say it, I’m a victim. I’m not superior. I get my life taken away from me through anti-white discrimination. My voice is not heard on the media or in politics. I’m not the smartest man in the world, but I certainly don’t deserve this level of abuse from the powers that be. I’d rather organize for my own safety.

            That’s the good thing about Jews. Even when on top they generally feel paranoid. Like they are never good enough. Always pushing themselves harder to do better and feel under threat. Most WN are the opposite. Even when on the bottom convince themselves they are superior and everything is ok. Whites need to take on the victim mentality to a greater extent and maybe feel compelled to do something more often.

          • JSS

            Did you seriously type that most WNs think that “everything is ok”? Wow. And how do jews push themselves to be better? Is our pop culture which they produce getting better? Are our economies getting better? Are our governments where they play king maker getting more efficient and less corrupt? If you mean they do right for themselves at the expense of us then I agree but being a good parasite is nothing to admire.

          • Jo

            “I’m superior and anybody that disagrees with me is wrong”

            I don’t think Whites see themselves as superior at all. I wish they did. We might not be in the situation we are in today. If anything, they are guilty of defending themselves from the onslaught of false criticism and Jew and Eastern Asian exceptionalism constantly thrown in their faces when neither warrant that much praise.

            Nothing is said about what great things Whites have done. The truth is, as far as contributions to the world, Europeans are superior to all other ethnicities and races and have historical evidence to support it. When they realize they are superior, they will not want to live with those who can’t measure up to their high expectations. At one time, our government thought Whites superior.

            That White defense I speak of is a list of phenomenal successes that you say represent a superiority complex when used to defend themselves. Those successes continue but aren’t given press for them, but, Whites aren’t inclined to boast. They ARE guilty of not being on the offensive. They react defensively rather than act in their own interests.

            Don’t think WN’s are average, as they recognize the problem, where other Whites are clueless. The flaw is not organizing into a group that could bring about change. They also are in conflict with each other. Could they ever follow a leader without wanting to branch off to do their own thing because of disagreement over minor points?

            Not sure who you think has done more for the world than Europeans and why they shouldn’t brag. Jews do it all the time. And, now we know blacks invented all these wonderful
            things that the world can’t do without (sarcasm). As far as I see, there are no others worthy of competition. They are in control and taking the country down, not improving it.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I don’t think any group would benefit by seeing itself as superior. Once you feel superior you lose motivation to improve. I wouldn’t pick out any race as superior, I would say they all need to improve. As an individual or a white nationalist I would say there is huge room for improvement, and that’s where the focus should be. What are my flaws? What are the flaws of the group? What are our weaknesses, how can we do better?

            It certainly is good to give to humanity, but one should give to himself first. I don’t see anything noble about being a slave who benefits others, but not himself. So the argument that Jews are good at benefiting themselves, but not at giving the world everything on a silver platter- well at least its a start in that they are surviving and not oppressed.

            Where I see failure and need for improvement, others see success and superiority. I really wish there were more people willing to work on real goals and accomplish real things instead of talk about how supreme they are. If you are supreme I could use $10,000 right now, and maybe someone who wants to start a business, or maybe someone who can get the Department of Justice to go after law breakers, or maybe someone who is a lawyer who wants to represent me in court.

          • Jo

            Whites did very well when minorities were mostly blacks and Jews were a much smaller minority than they are now. It was then that Whites excelled because they were permitted. Whites don’t need other races and ethnicities. They proved it can be done alone.
            The problem now is lefty Whites and some righty Whites think minorities are equal. Allowing them to take over the country when they are not qualified is a killer. I’m not saying Whites should throw superiority in others faces, but healthy self-esteem is one of the prerequisites for a successful people. Sometimes, they need a pep talk to pull them out of depression. That pep talk will only come from other Whites.
            I agree with your last paragraph. A major flaw in our movement is organizing and getting things done. There is too much discussion and no action.

          • Alexandra1973

            I’m not so much a white “supremacist” as I am a realist. I simply recognize that race goes way beyond skin color. I think most of us here just want to be left alone.

      • Cid Campeador

        They’re just whittling Philly away slowly. I’ve been around long enough to watch Cecil B. Moore violate Stephen Girard’s will and Wilson Goode antics that further brought down the City.

    • ncpride

      Saw a documentary once where a guy said the American space program should actually have been called the German space program….it was the Germans that got us off the ground in the 60’s.

      • WoodyBBad

        The space program and also the Manhattan Project had many German-Americans. Operation Paperclip was great for American science.

    • Laurence Almand

      After WWII Germany was reduced to rubble – devastated and desolate. The Germans did not sit and whine. They worked to rebuild their country and created one of the modern world’s most prosperous economies.

      • Lygeia

        I think you are forgetting about the Marshall Plan.

        • Laurence Almand

          If he Germans had not worked hard to use the Marshall funds, the money would have been utterly wasted, like the foreign aid given to corrupt African nations.

    • The All Seeing Bry

      Germans tend to have the type of mind that can never turn itself off. Their minds are always running, or thinking about, analyzing something. Which is why they like beer so much, it helps them turn off their mind and stop thinking for a while. Intoxication is the only cure for the German mind.

      • “The type of mind that can never turn itself off”

        Well, if I didn’t already know that German was the largest part of my ethnic constitution, I’d know it now.

        Back in the days when I was drinking, not even beer would help.

        • The All Seeing Bry

          Welcome partner

          • But it comes with a downside. That being I know I have the keen ability to overthink things, to zoom right past the finish line of the race but still going full blast when it’s not necessary. Having a good memory, which I do, is also sometimes more of a bug than a feature.

      • Alexandra1973

        My dad told me Germans could hold their liquor. He was in Germany in the late 1950s and he told me there would be three-year-olds coming up to the bar for a drink.

        On the other hand, Amerinds and white man’s fire-water don’t mix!

  • GB101

    how is it possible, really, for people to be German Americans, or English Americans, or in most cases Irish Americans or Scottish Americans. Americans with ancestry in northwest Europehave been intermarrying for centuries. I myself have ancestry in England, Ireland, Scotland, Germany, Switzerland, and who knows where else.

    • Good point. Germans have assimilated so well, that there are probably not that many pure blood ones left. On that note, I don’t know how anyone can say which ethnic group is smarter than the others. I mean, Whites and blacks are clearly distinct and identifiable, but Irish and Germans? Please! I consider myself Irish, but I have some Swiss German ancestry as well. So there we are.

    • Jo

      40% of the population in my area claim German ancestry and a tendency to marry other Germans. But, so do the English and Italians, the second and third most prevalent ancestries. Italians are easy to spot, not so with the English and Germans. Only their names give them away. Quite a few claim ancestry from the area that is now Northwest Germany.

      Germans here still have their yearly Octoberfests, and a few German-American clubs. Their influence on food sold in grocery stores, mostly in the delicatessen and bakery sections, is also observed in some restaurants. A small specialty grocery store prepares a lot of German take out foods where the English and Italians shop, as well. It’s so much a part of the community, no one calls it German or other foods English. All, including Italian, are sold in the same grocery stores and restaurants that we call American.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        There’s a big difference between north and south germans. Your north Germans are typically blond, resemble the Nazi ideal, pretty much look the same as Swedes or Scandinavians in general (minus some Scandinavians have a bit of slavic influence). Your southern Germans have a lot of Roman blood and mostly dark haired. You have some similar duality in England with the original Roman/Celtic type contrasted with the more Germanic Nordic type, and again to a lesser degree in France. There are really two main racial groups sort of blended into these nationalities. One is Nordic, the other your more typical north european white but they are mixed to such an extent as well.

        • pcmustgo

          Yup, met many tan southern germans… brown almost! My german-american grandfather had jet black hair!

      • Raymond Kidwell

        The problem with those German American clubs or sons of italy etc. is that they don’t have an agenda of preserving their ethnicity. With Jewish groups at least preserving a continuance of their people is a stated goal. Instead it’s like “let’s celebrate what we used to be, but now we are all a big racial/ethnic soup”. Whereas Asians have groups that preserve Asianess, Jews have groups etc. They don’t actively promote their ethnic interests, or fight discrimination against their people etc.

        • Jo

          I was in one of the clubs and not sure they aren’t trying to preserve their ethnicity. Dinner was German food and beer made in Germany, played German military marches (that was strange), and most spoke German fluently. German flag prominently displayed. No photo of Hitler, though. Lol. That was a social event. They hold weekly meetings where only Germans are permitted, i.e., no non-German guests. Membership is much higher than it was a few years ago. Looking for a larger facility.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I would think agendas should be:

            1) Creating German families that produce children
            2) Helping those families raise children (such as financial assistance or whatever is needed)
            3) Fostering a sense of German identity in members and others
            4) Politically fighting for the interests of German Americans- challenging anti-white stereotypes, affirmative action etc.
            5) Legal aid
            6) Training members to be leaders (start businesses etc.)

            Instead it’s all beer and saur kraut. To people like this being an American is all about hot dogs and cowboy hats.

          • Jo

            Maybe, many clubs are as you describe, but not this one. There was a variety of German foods, most not normally served in the
            U.S. No sauerkraut, hot dogs and hamburgers. As for beer, when did you see a German gathering without beer? German wine and whiskey were available, but the majority of the men were drinking beer.

            Members present that evening, mostly, were from the upper
            middle class, a few I would call wealthy, one, very wealthy. They are conservatives. Those I met were business owners (one a
            Mercedes dealership, of course), engineers, high level positions in technical companies, one who owns a very large farm, mostly Black Angus cattle, and another cattle farmer who also breeds and sells draft horses. They are involved in 2, 3, 5, and 6, but, in the dark about the others since I’m not permitted to attend their weekly meetings. If involved in 1 and 4, that wouldn’t have been discussed openly since there were guest couples who were not German.

            They also promote doing business with German companies, German companies doing business in the U.S., as well as, German companies opening satellite businesses here.

          • Alexandra1973

            Hitler was Austrian.

          • Jo

            Yes, I know, but he represented Germans.

          • Augustus3709

            True, but before the German-Austrian Civil War, they were basically considered the same thing.

            Austria literally means Eastern ‘Realm’.

        • Irish

          Helps to combine your religious identity with your ethnicity..That said Conservative/Orthodox Jews have been complaining about being loved to death.. (Pun intended) for at least a generation or so…

          • Raymond Kidwell

            Yes I have worked out my own little system. A race and a folk are two different things. You need culture and group identity as well as race to have a true people (or tribe or whatever you want to call it). There are a lot of intelligent and great orthodox Jews but for the most part those are the most crazy/extremist Jews. The emphasis in such a community is complete conformity over freedom of individual expression/thought. Conformity stifles thought or criticism. Very Nazi like I suppose. I think a liberal humanistic branch of Judaism is something to be emulated, along with the way zionism has organized itself globally to meet its own interests and goals. I suppose if WNs were ever going to organize at that level the white equivalent of an ultra orthodox Jew would be the amish and the orthodox would be like Mennonites (minus the christian pacifism in my dream utopia). But the real leadership would lie in the more progressive liberal groups.By this I don’t mean political ideology but I mean a group that has more individual free thought, more adaptive to the outside world etc.

      • WoodyBBad

        A TRUE melting pot.

    • Alexandra1973

      My ancestry consists of English, Scottish, French, German, Polish, Russian, and Cherokee.

      My husband’s consists of Welsh, Irish, English, and German from what I’ve found out so far.

      So our son has quite the mix (1/4 Eastern European, almost 3/4 NW European).

      • Augustus3709

        Good candidate for Pan-European identity, colloquially referred to as “White”.

      • pcmustgo

        How do you feel about being part Cherokee? I am half Jewish. I of course see anyone who looks white, including part native americans, as “whites” and I know they can experience anti-white racism regardless. So that’s my definition for being “white” in America= phenotype.

        • Alexandra1973

          I’m maybe 1/32 at most. I identify as White, yet you can tell by my eyes I have some Amerind.

          No use whining about your genetics. But I sometimes wish I was 100% one or the other. Preferably White to be honest. At least it’s not black.

  • One huge mistake here is stating that the start of German migration to the United States was the ’48ers. Really, it started in the 1720s.

    Another factor is that a lot of German-Americanness has been dispersed through inter-ethnic marriages.

    • pcmustgo

      yup and you get little half jew/half germans like me. That being said, as this article states, in states like Minnesota and Wisconsin, there are plenty of pure-bred 100% German-Americans and Scandanavian-Americans. I would know. Because that’s the only groups that exist there… that and Native Americans and Somali Muslims.

      • LexiconD1

        It direct where my German/Norwegian Great Grandparents went to when they immigrated LEGALLY to this nation about 100 years ago. They learned to, not only speak, but read and write English, fully, when traveling by ox cart from New York.

      • Or really mixed mutts like me: German-English-Czech-Italian in big parts, Irish-Polish-Russian-Jewish in little parts.

        • Sick of it

          You must have interesting family reunions.

        • Alexandra1973

          I’ve actually heard someone say they were part German and said “yep I’m part Nazi.”

          Um…what…? Talk about a facepalm moment!

      • Raymond Kidwell

        I need your Jewishness. See if you can get one of those interest free business loans for Jews for me.

    • DonReynolds

      A good many of the Dutch settlers were confused with German, in both directions. Some Germans were taken as Dutch, because they introduced themselves as Deutch. Pennsylvania Dutch is not Dutch at all.
      At the same time, there were a number of Dutch settlers in colonial America (New Amsterdam, New Holland). My favorite was the first governor of Tennessee, remembered as John Sevier, when his real name as Johan Xavier. Even when naming counties after the man in Tennessee and Arkansas, they used the name Sevier.

    • phillyguy

      in Philadelphia and Pennsylvania the German migration came right after William Penn was granted land by Charles the Second, they established Germantown Pennsylvania.

      • Samuel Hathaway

        There’s a Germantown right outside of Memphis, Tennessee. I wondered if there is a connection to German immigration with that one. You probably know that many German immigrants also settled in Argentina.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          We have a lot of German towns around here as well. They were called that because Germans used to live there. It’s sort of like calling a place “China-town”. But now they aren’t really German anymore but retain the name.

    • LHathaway

      There’s a difference between someone who is actually a German American, and someone who says, ‘yes, I think my great, great, great grandfather came from Germany. I heard something like that. I’ll pick Germany as the country we probably came from’.

    • Christorchaos

      Heck, yeah. As you know, St. Louis is the World capital of the ethnic group “Hiberno-German”. “Enough Irish to keep me happy. Enough German to keep me working,” as we say.

      Another factor is that a lot of German-Americanness has been dispersed through inter-ethnic marriages.

  • Samuel Hathaway

    When I see Germans participating on Olympic teams, or when I see Norwiegians, Swedes, Swiss, Italians, Poles, or the British, I think, those are my people, my family, and they are my kinsman first before any “American” just naturalized from Somalia, Haiti, Laos, Nigeria or Madagascar.

    • Irish

      Even when I was a child I would feel conflicted about rooting for American black man competing against any European. The only exception being the Soviet Countries & the Eastern block (1980’s) ..Now I’ve no conflict at all of course..

      • Samuel Hathaway

        I had absolutely no trouble at all rooting the the Lithuanian Olympic basketball team against the bunch of arrogant, over-stuffed Negrotards that comprised the “American”: team.

        • Spaniard in LA

          I found myself rooting for the Spanish team and not the American team. I prefer Pau Gasol over Lebron.

          • Samuel Hathaway

            Yes, Spain has a great, grand part in the story of Western Civilization. Spain has a real culture and real historical architecture that identifies it nicely and uniquely as European. Queen Isabella and King Ferdinand did a nice clean-up job on the Moors. We need them back, again.

            I’m with you on being for Spain against the “American” team, which is American in name only, not truly American in the historical sense.

            Con mucho gusto en ver su mensaje aquí… Ojalá que yo vea más mensajes de usted en el porvenir.

          • Spaniard in LA

            Muchas gracias Samuel.

      • LHathaway

        I don’t know. I feel being a race-realist . . . being a white advocate, there, it makes me more open minded, even though I’m just being selfish or self-interested. Being open minded doesn’t mean I’m not angry about abuse I’ve taken, and neglect I’ve received, but I feel I’m more open-minded, in some ways, at least. One can become so open-minded their brains fall out. I’m steadily trying to put them back in . . .

    • Raymond Kidwell

      What I don’t get is when they say “A Frenchman” did this or that and its a black muslim. But with Chinese people they say “han-chinese”. A black chinese man is not a “china man” but a “black chinese”. And a white person in Africa is a “boer” or some such thing. A native american. A “palestinian Israeli” as opposed to a Jew. But apparently french ethnicity, english ethnicity etc. doesn’t exist. A black man, middle eastern etc. are all just as french as napoleon or just as English as Shakespear. So does that make me a native american and I qualify for a casino? It’s like non-Jewish whites aren’t allowed to exist as a distinct people.

      • pcmustgo

        yup, my friend has a French African friend- I refuse to call her French. I always correct her when she does.

  • GB101

    How can anyone, really, say he is German American, English American, and in most cases Irish American or Scottish American, Dutch American, or Scandinavian American? Americans with ancestors from Northwest Europe have been intermarrying for centuries. I have ancestry in England, Ireland, Germany, and Switzerland and who knows where else. I happen to have a Swiss German surname, but that is just by chance. Cousins with the same ancestry as I have have Irish and English names. You really can’t, in most cases, distinguish among Americans descended from NW Europeans.

    • boatman

      Some of us know our ancestry well back a couple hundred years anyway. But is this about culture or genetics?

      • Alexandra1973

        I can trace mine back to Charlemagne. That’s assuming that my data is accurate.

    • SentryattheGate

      I am the offspring of a German (Catholic) war bride and an American soldier (Scots-German) who married and brought her here (US). Mom’s 2 sisters also married US servicemen. There were many German war brides that came here. I witnessed the rebuffs of my mother once her German accent was heard, even though she spoke British English.

      • DonReynolds

        A great deal of the German names were lost during and after WWI. Even the Royal Family of England changed their German name to Windsor. Some of the big businesses in the US also changed their names. The German-American Bank changed its name to Commerce Union, which we now know as Regions Bank. Name changing by families and individuals has been particularly common among Jewish refugees from Europe, Donald Sterling being the best known example. Kirk Douglas being another one.

        • WoodyBBad

          Sumner Redstone is also a great example. One of those what owns the media.

      • Mary

        It appears to have been quite common for Germans in America to Anglicize their names. I am descended from several German families who arrived in South Carolina from Wurttemberg in the 18th century. Every single one changed the spelling of their surname. I have not run across this practice from any other Northern European ethnic group (at least in my family.)

        Wasn’t your mother a survivor of the Dresden bombing?

        • SentryattheGate

          Yes, thank you, my mother was a beautiful 16 year old, escaping bombed out Dresden on the last train out of town! She narrowly escaped a brutal death at the hands of the invading Russian army! Her father was killed by the SS and her older siblings sent to forced-labor camps! She lived with me for the last 7 years; passed away last January, age 86.

          • Mary

            Your mother seems to have lived an interesting life. You probably loved hearing her stories. My condolences for your loss.

          • SentryattheGate

            Thank you, Mary. Like most people of that generation, she just went on with her life, and rarely talked about the past! Unfortunately, she had electro-shock therapy forced on her when she had a “nervous breakdown” (PTSD, they call it now), and many years of brain-eating Thorazine. So, she could not focus her thoughts much. But I was able to speak German with her, fix her favorite German foods, music, etc. That calmed her quite a bit.

          • From Ohio

            My grandfather was a Latvian refugee living in Dresden when they fired bombed the city.

      • dukem1

        So do you consider yourself a victim?

        • SentryattheGate

          No, not really. WWII was recent in people’s memories and some had lost family members to Germans. My mother was from a “good” German family, who stood up against Hitler and was punished for it, but Americans, not knowing her history, could not know that. My mother thought it was very generous of the US to let her come here and to become a citizen, which she proudly studied for, was tested and passed! I bristle though when nowadays foreigners, with VERY FOREIGN names, do not change them, and expect all kinds of free benefits c/o the US taxpayer!

          • John Smith

            And worst of all, provided in their own language.

          • pcmustgo

            Good!!!!!!!!!!!!

      • See. With all this discrimination and persecutions, all Germans and part Germans deserve affirmative action and restitution pay. This systematic persecution is the cause for German American failure today /sarcasm

    • Mary

      Many of us Northwest European-descended Americans do have ancestry from several different European groups. I also have ancestry from all the countries you named (although predominantly British Isles), and that is actually typical for those of us whose ancestors arrived in the 17th-18th centuries. It was easy for these groups to assimilate due to similar genetics and cultures.

      But I do honor and admire each of these countries individually as well as their various histories and contributions. Without the Northwest Europeans, America simply never would have been.

      • Publius Pompilius Quietus

        Northwest Europeans adapt to each others’ societies very well. But southern Europeans (Italians and Greeks) and eastern Europeans (Russians and Slavs) balkanize away from wider society; it takes much longer for southern and eastern Europeans to fully assimilate, but it’s all but impossible for non-Europeans to do so.

    • DonReynolds

      Very good.
      Reynolds is the 17th most common English name but before the Norman conquest there were none. They were from Switzerland (Helvetica) and their name was originally Regenwald, which was anglicized as Reynolds. They were provided land on the Welsh border by the Normans (Devon and Somerset) and they are still there, except for the ones who moved to Ireland (Leitrim) and on to colonial America.

      • SentryattheGate

        Interesting! Regenwald translates from German as “rain forest” (regen = rain, wald=forest).

    • Ultimately I consider myself a generic White American and that has to be my loyalty. All the others just see me as “White” they could care less about any ethnic heritage I have.

      • Augustus3709

        “White American” is however a perfectly legitimate and good identity in its own right, with a unique history, heritage, culture and folklore.

        If we can’t create a true Pan-White identity, then we should start by having positive national identities which are friendly to each other on an international level.

        Indeed, as White nations we already have diversity.

    • Raymond Kidwell

      Yeah it can become ridiculous. Take a name like Chaney. It’s norman and an anglified version of a french name. Normans originated in Norway at one time. Is the name Norwegian, French or English? Who really cares. What should matter is the group you identify with and conform to now, today. But that is hardly possible because there aren’t really any Germanic or white communities or groups to be a part of.

    • Samuel Hathaway

      The whole point of the United States, seemingly, was to be a bastion of European immigration, an outpost of European culture, civilization and assimilation. With the introduction of unassimilable Africans, Asians, Mestizos from Mexico and Central America, everything is thrown out of whack.

      this continent is developing into many “mini-nations” all at each others throats for territorial space, their share of dwindling public resources, and political power. It’s a volatile mix that will destroy this country.

    • pcmustgo

      Speak for yourself. Some of us come from more recent immigrant backgrounds.

  • superlloyd

    ‘They have assimilated and prospered without any political help specially tailored for their ethnic group.’ Whites don’t need handouts, affirmative action etc. to thrive. That’s for the dumber races especially blacks.

    • pcmustgo

      Do you think there will come a point where less successful “White” groups are given affirmative action too, like the Irish and the Italians?

      • DonReynolds

        Be careful sonny.
        The Irish and the Italians are not less successful.

        And when you talk about Irish in the USA, you must be careful to separate the early settlers of British America (particularly in the South), who are the Scot-Irish (Protestants) and those Irish who came later after the Potato Famine (Catholic). They are not the same people and they have never got along well here.

        • Oil Can Harry

          Actually, the Irish, the Scottish and the Welsh are “the same people”- they’re Celts.

          Of course they do have cultural and religious differences, as you also pointed out.

        • I like this website, but there are some WASPs that just have to put down Catholic ethnics like the Irish and Italians. They shouldn’t. Our race enemies hate us every bit as much as they hate you, maybe even more.

          • Mary

            I’m a WASP (Southern variety), but I feel an affinity with all European peoples. My husband is Italian, and it makes for an interesting mix.

          • John Smith

            I’m no fan of the Catholic Church, especially where it is now, but I don’t see it as a point of contention among Caucasian ethnic groups unless they take the “brotherhood of man” stuff to include lower primate groups.

          • DonReynolds

            My fine fellow. I have had many dear friends who were Irish or Italian Roman Catholics. My brother married a French Catholic. But that does not mean I can give the ultra-Liberal bishops and cardinals a pass when they lead demonstrations and protests for Amnesty for illegal aliens, or when they provide sanctuary to criminals, etc etc.
            My friends know that my objections to the Roman Catholic church apply to the clergy and not to the faithful….who may or may not agree with the clergy. A good many Catholics are willing to depart from the church when they think otherwise.

          • I was referring to a great many people who make comments about Catholic ethnics in general, like we aren’t really true White Americans. This despite the fact that it is primarily northern WASAPs that have formed the van guard of liberalism in this country. Look at the election results: Barrack Obama was primarily supported by Whites in the “northern tear” states of Wisconsin and Minnesota, big Germanic territory. He got less support among blue collar Whites in the South and in the BIG INDUSTRIAL STATES. Yet there are White Protestants like you who still seem to think that us Catholics are the problem.

          • DonReynolds

            The real vanguard of Liberalism were the original Puritans, which are well-preserved as the Congregationalist church. They landed in New England and spread west….yes, to the Ohio valley, and on to the Minnesota and Wisconsin, where they mixed with German socialists. Yes, those are properly called WASPs, but not to be confused with the Scot-Irish that peopled the South.

            The Congregationalists have given us every great Liberal cause this country ever had…..including the Independence movement, the abolition of slavery, temperance, women’s suffrage, rights of labor, etc etc. They also are a big part of the anti-war movement, during every major (and minor) war in this country’s history. Yes, these are the Liberals.

          • Thank you. That was more or less my point; you got into more specifics. Yes, among old stock White Protestant Americans there was always a pro-military, and pro-conservative culture, centered in the South and a more pro-liberal culture centered in the northern tear states. If anything, America’s Catholic ethnics have been a moderating influence in American history. But we get little credit because our historians and news media are dominated by liberal Protestants and Jews.

          • Christorchaos

            Funny you should mention Minnesota. Somebody just told me the other day that Minnesota

          • Alexandra1973

            It’s not “you Catholics” that are the problem but the Roman Catholic *system.*

          • TonyWestfield

            Don, your distinction is entirely respectable and quite common (more and more so) among the R.C. faithful. I’m a cradle Catholic and a true believer. My extended family tree has branches of Irish and Italian and German and Spanish, all Catholics. Most of my family, including me, has found great strength in the parish, in the mass, in the sacraments. Being Catholic is great. As for the organization, The Church is a disgrace, especially with this new pope. The stench of political Leftism and global collectivism is everywhere, from the local church to The Vatican. No doubt, I will set foot in church(es) again, probably many times, but only for funerals or weddings or Christenings of new babies, etc., out of respect for friends and family, who deserve my attendance. As for giving money to the church or The Church? Not a dime.

          • DonReynolds

            Tony, I could not agree with you more…..and please accept my sincere condolences. I know very well what it is like to lose your church to the heathen Leftists. My family have always been Presbyterian, even before they came to this country, it was the Church of Scotland. My grandfather was the last Presbyterian preacher in a church the family founded (with some 30 other families) in 1793 in Sumner County, Tennessee. My grandfather probably could not be physically restrained if he were to know what the Presbyterian Church teaches these days. We are no longer welcome in the church of our fathers.

          • TonyWestfield

            Thank you, Don. It is painful and frustrating to realize, “I didn’t leave the church, the church left me.” Any man-made institution, even one inspired by God and eternity, is susceptible to earthly corruptions. I’m shocked at how quickly the changes have occurred.

          • DonReynolds

            I agree. Of course, it has been a disappointing mixed bag. Churches have retreated on homosexuality but the Roman Catholic church still does not ordain women as priests. The church still maintains that contraceptive and abortion are a sin, but manages to overlook other sins (and crimes).

        • Irishgirl

          Whenever I see another redhead, I feel a kinship. But that’s just me.

          • Who Me?

            Hey! Hey! Hi there, Irishgirl! I too, am mostly Irish, (thus the hair…)with a bit of German and a bit of Native American (Choctaw) as well. In other words, an American mutt. My husband is basically half German and half French. This makes our two kids REAL mutts. Interestingly, both of them married a spouse of mostly German heritage.

    • phillyguy

      every ethnic group that came here over 100 years ago never got nothing, they made it with blood, sweet and tears..

  • Jeff Traube

    There were so many persons of German stock here by 1780 that it nearly became the national language . . .

    • DonReynolds

      Nonsense.

      • phillyguy

        Benjamin Franklin, since he had a lot of dealings with the Germans of Philadelphia and Pennsylvania in printing their German language newspapers and prayer books, proposed to have German as a national language just to stick it up the crowns A**, in 20 years Spanish will be our national language.

      • Augustus3709

        The Founding Fathers also picked the German word Taler, or Dollar, to differentiate from the British Pound.

    • SentryattheGate

      I understand that when schools were made free to the public, the vote was nearly equal re. what language would be used, English or German? German lost by one vote!

      • Samuel Hathaway

        It’s too bad German couldn’t have been made a required course, going through school the way we all had to take English. But as it is, German is reserved for those in gifted, accelerated programs, or they take Latin or French.

        • SentryattheGate

          Some university researchers I met agreed that most research is done by Germans, Russians and English-speakers, so those languages are more necessary for graduate studies. Yet my kids’ K-12 school decided to offer ONLY Spanish—the director wagged her finger in my face, warning me that my kids will be severely disadvantaged if they don’t learn Spanish! “That is the future of this country” she declared.

    • Augustus3709

      And just think if it were, America would have probably sided with Germany in WW1 and….

      …que alternate universe where everything is 100% better.

  • Bossman

    German immigrants were the group most likely to intermarry with other white ethnic groups and to change their names. Famous actress and singer Doris Day is descended from German immigrants but does not speak German and has never visited Germany and also changed her name from Kapelhoff (??) to Day.

    • Bartek

      There was much official pressure to do so.
      No one was celebrating diversity then.

      • John Smith

        Yeah, it would be hard to sell yourself as Doris von Kappelhoff, when nice little Doris Day from Cincinnati would do much better on the marquee during WWII.

  • Raymond Kidwell

    In Cincinnati its a bit different. We have Castle like Gothic Germanic buildings everywhere. In Clifton a big sign “Wilkommen”, in northern kentucky they call the streets “strassa”, we have the largest october fest outside of Germany. “German towns” (in name at least) dot the landscape. There are also a number of German companies located here. My brother works for one. Most of his co-workers are German nationals. Buildings have stuff written in German on them from when they were built in the early 1900s. Blond whites are the norm rather than a rarity. So everybody here is pretty aware of German history, but I think the people don’t really have a club or organization for Germanics only as it would seem racist or something. So I guess on the day to day identity it’s lost.

    I also don’t see a big point in distinguishing German from Germanic. Ethnically speaking you can hardly tell the difference between someone of Swedish ancestry, German, or English. Whereas you can tell some difference with French or Slavic for example.

    But I believe there is a greater percentage of English ancestry across the U.S. as compared to German. This is not because more immigrated here, but just that they came earlier and had larger families. If someone is half british and half German they will self identify German mostly. So I would say English ancestry is the most under reported.

    Actually going along with the story I guess they were tearing down some buildings around here and found some German mottos written on them that were covered up around WWII.

    There are a lot of blond Germanics (mostly women) around the UC and such but these people seem like followers, rather than leaders. They don’t have a backbone, even if they may have a decent income or education. By contrast, a Jew will whine and throw up a sh— storm over a perceived injustice. The breed is too docile and tame to look out for its own interests, which is something both Nietzsche and Hitler mentioned a lot.

    • pcmustgo

      Jewish women (and people) are fiestier and more spirited, that is why.

      • Bartek

        Or perhaps they just naturally have a subversive/political streak and are allowed/encouraged by the ruling class to display it.

        • Raymond Kidwell

          Nah, I’d say the average white, especially Germanic, has been domesticated into a sheep. Culture and religion also play a large role in furthering that natural tendency. Hitler’s goal was to breed the predator and fighter back into the German people. Something Jews already naturally have.

          If you gave the typical blond university student a gun and told her to shoot herself, with tears streaming down her eyes, she’d probably do it. If you did the same to the typical Jew, she’d pick the gun up and shoot you with it. And to me I guess that is the biggest advantage Jews have over white goys, Not intelligence. Just a chutzpah and a will to survive. Germanics don’t even have the will to reproduce themselves.

          • pcmustgo

            Yes. I am indeed a “fighter”… I used to not be so much, but all these years living a weird life in Brooklyn toughened me up. I was even in physical fights as a teen…

          • Raymond Kidwell

            Yeah I think my natural tendency is to trust others, follow rules, not be aggressive etc. Years of the ghetto life and dealing with subhumans (including the white ones) has turned me into a person on the edge with anger issues and a desire to crack skulls. As the Asian poster on here wrote white people are normally kind and altruistic but it is possible to awaken another side.

        • John Smith

          They disproportionately ARE the ruling class.

        • pcmustgo

          You guys know you want a feisty (half) jewish woman like me standing up for whites, kicking- —-, taking names and taking no prisoners… maybe you need a pushy Jewish woman in your life.

          • FinnShane

            For a moment there I thought maybe Amren was now doubling as a White dating site…your feistiness intrigued me and I started looking for a profile pic lol.

    • Mary

      Absolutely true that English ancestry is underreported. A large number of Americans who possess much English ancestry, such as in the South, are descended from families that have been in America for several centuries. They often report their ancestry as “American” instead. Same with the Scots-Irish who are also underreported. And like you said, many will choose a more “ethnic” identity to claim as their own if from a mixed background. English is unfortunately perceived as being too bland by some. I would imagine that in reality, most Americans with even partial pre-19th century American roots have some English ancestry.

    • Bartek

      Strange I have only met probably three people of English descent in the Midwest.
      Everyone ‘White’ in my neck of the woods is Germanic or Slavic.
      My Grandfather had 8 children.
      English descent is more common in the East and Southern parts of the territory of the USA.

      • phillyguy

        Pennsylvania always had a very large German population since the late 1600’s, Benjamin Franklin printed their German language newspapers, they invented the Pennsylvania long rifle ,which was a major weapon against the British Army during the revolution. they could pick off the British at a great range. In industry, Philadelphia families like the Widener’s,the Baldwins ect., and the breweries. before World War 2 there was more beer made in Philadelphia than any place in the country. but here we still have the Amish to carry one the old tradition of language and food and hard work.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        I meet a lot of people of English descent. Just as an example my name Kidwell is English. Only a few kidwells immigrated back in the 1700s. There are now more kidwells in the U.S. than in europe due to the large birth rate in colonial america.

        Names like that are also very jew-like. I mean if you search kidwells there are some white trash and certainly I have moronic parents and live in ghettos, but a large percentage of them are scientists, lawyers, doctors etc. If you run around on farms in the middle of nowhere you probably will meet less English people than say in a wealthier neighborhood.

        Names with -well at the end or -ton signify a place name. It’s the same as “von” in German. It means at one time the family were land owners/high or middle positions. There is a kidwelly castle in wales for example and kidwells originate from there. This is in contrast to farmer, smith, thatcher etc. which were the working class more named after occupations than places (or maybe named black or white, or green). There has been some changes over the generations, but still among the wealthy besides the typical goldsmith Jew names you will see a lot of -wells, -tons etc. You will see blacks with those names but they just took it from their slave owners, it’s not due to actually having an ancestor from England named that.

        You’ll also notice a lot of authors, scientists etc. with those names. Names like maxwell, tidwell, tidewell etc. is because towns were literally built around a well and that’s the name of a lot of towns, castles, or cities, along with -ton at the end like crichton or livingston. You will see a lot of last names like that in wealthy neighborhoods, universities etc. Probably more so on the east coast, but pretty much everywhere in the U.S.

        One example Bill Clinton. -ton. This denotes an English name with high standing at one time. Washington. Houston. Croxton. Rockwell. Patton, Hamilton. Those are some names found in skull and bones but more common with them are Bush, Buckley, Davison, Putnam, Lord, Bundy, Rockefeller. You’ll see a lot of -ys at the end harley, huxley etc.

        There’s certainly a lot of diversity and Jew names as well as more common English names like smith, but look at the current house of representatives: Alabama has a lot: bradley, Sewell,
        other states have Eric Swalwell, Julia Brownley, Eleanor norton, Joseph crowley,

        If you look at a list of the richest people in America you’ll see a few: Powell family, Waltons, Dennis Washington. Your regular English names like Smith and Johnson are more common on the list of powerful, but they are also common among regular people. But you only see a small sprinkling of those names in trailer parks or working in factories. Obviously I’m one case of ghettoized but if you were in a gated community you would probably see a good percentage of those English names, along with Jewish names. Of course if you are on a farm in nebraska you probably meet few people with Jewish or English names. But those upper level English families usually operate like Jews. I know with Kidwell a lot of them are typical hillbillies but my grandfather was actually born into a fairly well off and organized family. They worked together and owned property, businesses, farms etc. They had a hill where everyone house on the street was someone in the family. I also have some Jewish ancestry and they pretty much operate in the same way.

        But I deal with regular people and try to organize my own group (and deal with retarded family members). They can’t seem to work together to find their way out of a paper bag. Nor do they understand simple concepts like its better to own and run a business than work for someone else.

      • John Smith

        I have an English last name, live in S. OH, within sight of KY, and am ~3/4 German by ancestry.

        • Samuel Hathaway

          Do you ever go boating down the Ohio River?

          • John Smith

            No – too many drunks for my taste when the weather is nice.

    • evilsandmich

      There used to be a Lutheran church on Central Parkway that would do masses in German. Alas the last time I was down there it seems to have gone the way of the dodo, shame, the Germans and Scotts are what separate southern Ohio from the statist Eastern European immigrants in the north.

      • Raymond Kidwell

        It’s a horrible city. Low I.Q.s, ghettos, war zones, failure is normal, dysfunction, extreme anti-white racism. It just lags about 10 or 15 years behind Detroit. Then you have a super rich elite that is totally seperate from the normal population. Among regular people this place involves the dumbest,.most ghetto, obese unattractive people both black and white. I would say the only civilized element I see here are the East Asians, other than the white/Jewish upper class that would not be caught dead mingling with normal people.

        The German speaking parts are gone as well. Not that I identify with being German, but they had a German language school and some other things that pretty much closed down as less and less people are interested in speaking it. The irony is a large percentage of those people are Jews who originated in Germany. They were a large portion of the people learning German and attending those institutions but it has pretty much died out.

        Northern Kentucky is a much better place to be. The nicer neighborhoods tend to be on the south side of the river. Most of the factories and jobs have moved over there for tax purposes as well. We have a welfare system in Cincinnati that is corrupt and tries to give unemployment/welfare etc. benefits to blacks and deny them to white people and the mayor and everything tend to be incompetent black people. Other than a few corporate/banking/law head quarters down town and UC and Clifton and Indian Hill the entire city is one big expanse of ghetto and predominately black.

        Not only that massive anti-white and anti-male sentiments in the schools. What I don’t understand is online Cincinnati is described as some backward highly conservative redneck city. In all my experiences it is extremely liberal and very biased against whites or anyone with an I.Q. above 80. I really wish I could get on my feet and afford to get out. Was a nice city prior to the 1960s.

        • evilsandmich

          Thought you were talking about Cleveland for a moment. Cincinnati has had a Repug or a DINO representing them for as long as I can remember. Where is there Stephanie Tubbs Jones or their Dennis Kucinich? The place may not be “conservative” per se , but compared to places up north it’s absolutely sane. The big (BIG) problem is that people in southwest Ohio take what the blithering idiots in the north say about them to heart and then work to prove them wrong. I try to tell them that people (white people) up here HATE them but they just can’t imagine it and they think I’m joking.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            I don’t care much about politics. The problem is nearly everyone is dumb. So when you deal with an institution, they automatically assume you are dumb even when you’re not. Just the normalcy of failure makes accomplishing anything very difficult. I go to college where I do well in my classes. The college has an 80% drop out rate. They make unneccessary problems with me taking classes I need to graduate. To them it’s just normal to flunk out of college. I go to work at a factory where half the crew are crackheads. I ask if I can drive a forklift and they treat it like it’s rocket science. Meanwhile the forklift drivers they do have are running into walls and stuff. So I work in fast food and say ‘can you show me how to do some paper work so I have some management qualifications?’ No. If I apply for a job they have to interview 20 people to see which one is suited to roll a burrito.

            It’s just the normalcy of failure and the expectation of stupidity makes it hard to function like a normal person. If you have a brain, you don’t fit in.

            Then I go to an online dating site. 99% of the women are obese with nose rings, tatoos and really irrational behavior. And that’s the white ones. Even the college educated ones look like they came out of a trailer park somewhere.

            That’s why I look to create my own group that meets certain minimal standards and shared ideas. I mean it seems like if you can read and write, and you’re not a drug addict then you are a member of the elite or something.

            Not to mention the shoot outs, drug dealers and prostitutes on every corner, car jackings, collapsing bridges etc.

          • evilsandmich

            Dude that’s pretty good and I know where you’re coming from. I know one of the software packages we use insisted that we use their services for the migration because of a 90% failure when attempted by customers. I tried it anyway and of course got through it, and not because I’m a genius or anything, but because read the friggin instructions they themselves wrote on how to do it (and so on). I see all the time though, people are already into the Idiocracy or they aren’t and know that they only have to work as hard as Idiot A in order to stay employed.

          • Raymond Kidwell

            That’s the point I try to make- I’m not a genius. It is exactly like the movie idiocracy. If I tell people “look man it’s not rocket science to wash some dishes or to manage a gas station” What you think you are better than everybody else? You are such an arrogant, smug, stuck up prick you know it? That’s the reply. Or with just basic ideology or race realism. ‘So you think you are superior to everybody else? Well I’ll show you that you aren’t supreme’. No I think you are missing the point. I just don’t want to drive over a collapsing bridge or make below poverty wages and don’t see where its necessary. ‘Look intelligence is relative. You might be dumb compared to some people but smart compared to others. Why compare yourself like that?’ Look I don’t think you get the point. There is an absolute quauntifiable level of neccessary intelligence to function. If these people didn’t have food stamps and had to grow a garden to eat they’d starve to death. There is a threshold between collapsing bridges and ones that hold up. There is an absolute line between competence and incompetence. This is not relative or about being superior to anyone else, it’s about functioning on a very basic level and most of these people can’t do that.
            ‘that sounds racist’. Ok I give up on these people, I think I need to start my own little secret society composed of other people with a half way functioning brain.

          • Samuel Hathaway

            Next time the northern Ohio residents look down on Cincinnati, crank up and blare Connie Francis country hit, “Cincinnati, Ohio.” They played it every Saturday nite on “Country Gold Saturday” night in Georgia for many, many years. You can listen to it on YouTube. Great song. Made Cincinnati have alot of civic pride.

  • DonReynolds

    I have heard all this before many times in fact.
    If you aggregate everyone who says they are GERMAN then you can say they are the largest ethnic group……provided of course, that you disaggregate all the other ethnic groups.

    Germany as a nation did not exist until Bismark (1870s) and even after the German nation was created, there were still substantial numbers of German-speakers who were outside Germany…..particularly the Austrians, who had their own empire. Immigrants to colonial America are considered “German” even though they were Balts….from the Baltic region, which includes Poles and Prussians. These were brought to this country to help with the early forestry industry, particularly naval stores.

    The English can be separated from the Welsh and the Scots and from the Cornish and from the Irish, but any such separation would be as artificial and imaginary as separating the Hanoverians from the Rhinelanders and the Bavarians. Who are the English anyway? They were Angles, Jutes, Saxons, and Normans (who were themselves Vikings, not French). Welsh is not what the Welsh call themselves. It was a name used by the invading Saxons meaning “foreigner”. Of course, it is an ironic name that the Saxons gave the native peoples of England. Over time, they were forced into the southwest portion of the island….what we now call Wales.

    • bbshaw

      The Swiss-Germans call the Swiss-French Welsch”.

    • Sick of it

      The Normans intermixed heavily with the French. My DNA is proof of that.

  • rebelcelt

    I have talked to more than one WWII vet who said that the Germans were more like Americans than any other people in Europe.

    • pcmustgo

      Yup, like I said, I meet these German immigrant types and have no idea they are immigrants because they looks so perfectly blond all-American.

    • One close friend’s dad fought in Europe from 1944-45 and also liked the Germans quite a lot. His only complaint about them was “all the damned machineguns”.

      I have worked closely with exactly three ethnic Germans: two guys and a gal, and completely liked two of them. We used to joke about the third, however: “Who is going to do Andreas’s job when Leong leaves the lab?” I used to urinate in his coffee, in increasing amounts. He probably likes it a bit salty even now. When his wife was pregnant, I suggested the name “Adolf” for the kid. He wanted a more traditional name, so I suggested “Grendel”.

      The other guy was ex-Bundeswehr, instantly likable. He was also a Bavarian and not a Prussian. They’re a bit more relaxed, I guess. Mike was just like one of us.

      • DonReynolds

        Within Germany, the Germans still consider other Germans from other parts of Germany to be ethnically and historically separate. The Bavarians have little use for the Rhinelanders and no one seems to like Berliners. To me it was somewhat like in the US where people know each other as being from other states.

        • The guy in who’s coffee I urinated was from Berlin.

          • je suis paganisme

            I KNEW you were French, Mr. Oui-Oui !!

          • Mainly Celtic, but the French were originally Celts.

          • TonyWestfield

            Somewhere on my “to do” list there’s a notation about asking MCS to meet for coffee when or if I ever set foot near the Rockies…hmmm, I’m not from Berlin, but still…having second thoughts about that coffee.

      • phillyguy

        the German MP light machine gun was the most devastating weapon on the battlefield.

        • MG-34 and MG-42. The latter is still in widespread use, now with disintegrating-link NATO belts. The US actually did reverse-engineer it during the war, but it jammed all the time, as the .30-06 round is a bit longer than 8mm X 57, I think the tooling is still stored somewhere at Ft. Knox, KY. The gun runs like a dream in 7.62mm NATO. The Swiss made their own version postwar, using machined parts, rather than sheet-steel stampings. While doubtless expensive, those will probably last forever.

      • Weisheit77

        It’s funny that you bring up the Bavarian Prussian thing. I’m educated in German and love to go there. I find the Prussians to be not as fun as the Bavarians. I don’t like to travel there actually. The people are cold like the weather.

        Munich is full of a-holes but the rest of Bavaria is wonderful. I like the area that really should be an independent state called Franconia. The three capitals of Franconia are Würzburg, Nürnberg, and Bayreuth. Nuremberg is fun but becoming a little bit ghetto. Bayreuth is my special little gem where I go, like Wagner, to find peace.

        The funny things is the German identity is like one of those Russian dolls. If you dig deep enough you’ll find out they hate the other half of the town not to mention the next town over.

        • Jo

          “If you dig deep enough you’ll find out they hate the other half of the town not to mention the next town over.”

          What is the hate based on?

          • Weisheit77

            Soccer teams, local village locations, where one’s family originates from, etc. Also, hate is a strong word and dislike is maybe better.

  • pcmustgo

    And Proud hybrids, like this little half German, half Jew!

    • DonReynolds

      It always struck me as odd that Jews who lived for centuries in Germany did not consider themselves to be German, even before WWII.

      • WW-1 ace Werner Voss was Jewish, and fought alone against six British RFC aces in 1917 until he was shot down and KIA by Arthur P.F. Rhys-Davids.

        • DonReynolds

          Yes, indeed. Being Jewish in WWI Germany was not a disability in the least. The same was true for Jews in the Red Army, until much later.

        • John Smith

          Then his family must’ve converted to Lutheranism sometime before he was born.

    • Anglokraut

      Or half German, half English!

      • LexiconD1

        Or Greek, German, Norwegian, Irish..

  • Samuel_Morton

    My German ancestors also arrived in the New World in the 1800s as part of a Socialist movement to escape perceived tyranny in their homeland. Little did they know that their Socialist beliefs would one day transform the U.S.A. into a totalitarian anti-Western, anti-white state.

    • SentryattheGate

      Yes, those durn Lutherans (I WAS one) bringing in all those Hmong, Somalians, and illegal aliens “refugees” c/o US taxpayers!

      • Alexandra1973

        Nowadays Lutheranism is nothing more than Catholicism Lite. Martin Luther is probably spinning in his grave.

      • Augustus3709

        Well, the “Go and make disciples of all nations” commandment, (although spurious), is rather famous.

        There should be however an ironclad distinction between making disciples, and bringing them back home.

  • Bartek

    All Europeans assimiliated too successfully and now we are paying the price for our lack of identity and ethnic affiliation.

    • SentryattheGate

      Yes, I agree! As a first generation American on my mother’s (German) side, I contrast the rich vibrancy of the German culture with the bland, watered-down Amurican one! Like when you mix many pretty colors together, you end up with brown!

      • Weisheit77

        I love how quickly the dialects and accents change from location to location over there. It’s hard to explain to a monolingual American. I mean you go 50 miles or less and people talk differently. It’s even crazier in Austria where they’ve really developed their dialects to make them different from Germany after WW2.

        What I understand best is the Franconian spoken around the city of Bayreuth. But if I go into the country and talk to farmers it gets a little harder.

    • The Dude

      Well, that was bound to happen. That’s just a natural result of geographical proximity. How many Englishmen today identify as Jutes or Angles?

      And maybe it wasn’t such a bad thing after all. At least we have stability now within European America. It wasn’t always the case.

  • NoMosqueHere

    Most German immigrants came to the US before the italians, so they assimilated earlier. Today, americans of italian descent are much more assimilated than they were a generation or two ago and, consequently, identify with Italy far less than their parents or grandparents.

    • John Smith

      Except hamburger, meatloaf, hot dogs, a variety of breads and baked goods, etc….

      • IstvanIN

        Sausage and beer.

        • Germans ran a colony in Tsingtao, China for some years. One of the first things they did was set up a brewery.

          • IstvanIN

            Most “Mexican” beer, I believe, is German.

          • Weisheit77

            That’s actually a pretty damn good beer, too.

    • Jo

      Add to John Smith’s and IstvanIN’s list: Pretzels, strudel, sauerkraut, potato pancakes, potato salad, stuffed cabbage, stollen, dumplings.

      • IstvanIN

        You are making me hungry!

    • TonyWestfield

      NMH, there’s a lot of Italian ancestry in me, and it’s fair to say that I’ve never had an encounter with a family member who seemed to identify more with Italy than with America. My data set goes back to my grandmothers, whom I knew very well and who helped raise me (one “gram” lived a block away when I was a kid, the other in the next town). They raised their children to speak English only. The ethic in the family was to become as American as possible, as soon as possible. Likewise the community. I’ve lived in two small towns whose populations were predominantly Italian-descent, but I can think of only one guy in my age cohort who spoke Italian and studied it. His parents were literally “off the boat” and my buddy, notwithstanding his affection for the culture whence his parents came, was an American boy through and through.

      You’re right about the food. Italian-style cooking, be it Northern or Southern, heavy or light, meat or fish or pasta, is so popular here in America that hardly anybody needs to go looking for it. This mainstreaming is a reason why it isn’t necessary to think “Italian” in order to experience Italian. “German” is a different story. I know of two German restaurants in NYC, both good places to eat and drink. There is also the occasional “German” event around here (my college has Oktoberfest, for example), but it’s necessary to go looking for the German experience.

      • NoMosqueHere

        Italian food is “cuisine.” German food isn’t.

        • IstvanIN

          Italian food is “cuisine”? There may be some Italian dishes that are cuisine but most Italian food is like German food: hearty, filling, real-people food that is also delicious. French food is cuisine: tiny little portions artistically placed on the plate that leave you hungry.

          • French food is great as well. I remember a mussels dish – eclade de moule – in Rochelle, near Cherbourg when I was four or five. I reproduced it 40 years later from taste for my mother, wife and daughter. Sayaka and Aridane thought it was great, but my mother had to ask me how I remembered everything.

    • Weisheit77

      I’ll take Schnitzel over spaghetti any day of the week.

  • America was more or less built by two ethnic groups: The English laid the foundations of our political and legal system, and the Germans made us an industrious nation (How many British cars do people drive, guys?) But please, I take a little bit of offense at some of the comments about Irish people. Most of us are patriotic Americans and we helped this country too. Don’t get my Irish up! LOL.

    • SentryattheGate

      Born fightin’—the Irish and Scots-Irish created the rebellious, individualistic spirit of Americanism! God bless ’em!

  • Who Me?

    In my early teens we lived in a nice rural community that was half or more German families who had entered the US in the 40’s and 50’s via Canada. The kids all had names like Hans, and Karl and Gerhard. It was a German lady, mother of one of my closest friends, who taught me to cook, and especially instilled a lifelong love of baking. And God bless Mrs. Aufderhaur–my first grade teacher!

    • In south Boulder, where I grew up, almost every kid had a Scottish, Irish or German family name. My best friends had sur-names like Gordon, Flynn, Myers, and that of my girlfriend was McConkey.

  • Bo_Sears

    This is a remarkably revealing article and comments. Resisting Defamation has argued since 1989 that the strongest quality the diverse white Americans have is, in fact, our diversity. That’s not to mimic the rhetoric of those who think “diversity” is “racial diversity,” it is to have the basis to verbally attack persons like Obama who claimed his mother’s mother was “a typical white person.” We vary all over the lot by national origins, American regions, religion, respect for our ancestors, IQ, financial success, and so on. Until we go public with our demographic diversity, we are sitting ducks for attacks on an imaginary cloned-out cluster like the Borg.
    I like to imagine that when we come to our senses and organize ourselves according to by-laws provided by the structure of the first American Constitution that we’ll have dozens of caucuses, POVs, and ideas about how to structure our lives to strengthen our children’s right to a decent sense of self-respect and life-long success…and no wars in the Eastern Hemisphere whatsoever.

  • Irishgirl

    I asked a German friend a few years back to sing the German national anthem for me. He just refused to do it because he had been accused of being nationalistic (i.e., Nazi) in the past for singing it. It made me sad that he was not allowed to openly celebrate his heritage.

    • The Dude

      The German national anthem is one of my favorites, music-wise. Last Summer, I tuned in for Germany’s matches in soccer World Cup just that I could hear the anthem in the beginning.

    • newscomments70

      There is an older German singer named “Heino” who is lambasted for singing the “forbidden” stanzas of the national anthem. A mildly nationalistic section of the anthem was deleted after the war. Although the lyrics are hardly offensive, German liberals scream at him for being a “Nazi”.

      • Augustus3709

        Fun Fact: I have the mp3.

    • Weisheit77

      I attended school in both Austria and Germany. Although Austria and Bavaria/Swabia are very similar to Austria, the level of nationalism between the two places is a night and day difference. For example in our dorm/apartment Studentenheim we had a dance ball in our communal kitchen rigged to shoot the Austrian flag all over the room when we were drinking. We’d would have been shunned in Germany for the same thing. Even with Germany’s recent soccer success flying the German flag in Germany is still a nationalist thing that no prim and proper German would ever do.

  • MG Huffman

    The word Teutonic is misused. It applies to all Germanic peoples, not just those in central Europe but those in Scandinavia and the British Isles as well. America was an almost PURELY Teutonic nation from the settlement of Jamestown to the Second World War.

  • Mark Caplan

    German descent is America’s secret sauce that accounts for our scientific achievements, great universities and orchestras, aduration of trees, parks and hiking, penchant for world domination, and grown men in short pants.

    • very interesting. Never heard of anyone promoting this idea. But it makes a lot of sense.

    • Jo

      And, many dog breeds. Boxer, Dachshund, Doberman, German Shepherd, Schnauzer, Great Dane, Keeshond, Pomeranian, Poodle, Rottweiler, Weimaraner, to name a few of the most popular.

      But, the English contributed many, as well.

  • John Smith

    Proud to be a member of the tribe (not THAT tribe).

    BTW, when is Levi Strauss considered “German”?

    • Jo

      He’s Jewish from Germany.

      • John Smith

        Not necessarily the same as being German. I can move to Israel and never will be Jewish, even if I convert.

        • Jo

          True.

    • Sick of it

      The author mentioned numerous Jewish families as being German. Well, they do not consider themselves German, so why should we?

  • Bryce Armstrong

    And once again I see that one of my posts has been removed. I think its a telling of this websites editorial standards (not to mention its actual sympathies), that posts gleefully cheering on the beheading of our boys serving overseas remain, but chooses to delete my own.

    Make no mistake about it, there is nothing exceptional about it or the people who post here. It is a simple matter of feeble minded people wanting to air their grievances unchallenged.

    This movement IS NOT going anywhere…

    …and its simply because of the “talent” involved.

    • John Smith

      “It is a simple matter of feeble minded people wanting to air their grievances unchallenged.”

      You’re a great example.

  • Bryce Armstrong

    If Daddy possessed an ounce of shame he would have been stricken with guilt over the preferential treatment he received due to his ancestry, because his comrades (who had the decency to actually believe in their cause) that were captured had to endure UNSPEAKABLE cruelty.

    • Jon W Hinch

      I do not understand how you know they even knew his ancestry or your weird claim of unspeakable cruelty to non German decent pows You should feel guilt and shame for your own evident prejudices and ignorance .

  • Christorchaos

    AR is now removing for use of irony??

    • John Smith

      Probably – they seem a little too PC for an org that wants to promote speaking truth about racial differences. Crude slurs I can see removing, but ironic terms and phrasing – not at all.

  • The Dude

    Nice article. However, I think that most Americans today who identify as “German” have only a fraction of German ancestry, especially given that the bulk of German immigration to America came in 70 to 170 years ago. I for one don’t have the slightest clue about my ethnic ancestries. I know I’m (mainly) from Central and/or Northern Europe, but that’s only because I have a mirror.

    • corvinus

      I also think the majority of white Americans have some German ancestry, knowingly or unknowingly.

      Yeah… I consider myself Irish-American but have some German in me, which I take some pride in. I even put in some effort to learn the German language.

    • Sick of it

      Even if you have mostly English ancestry, a DNA test will show strong affinity with German DNA.

    • Weisheit77

      Apfelstrudel oder Apfelküchen?

  • JohnEngelman

    My father spoke German before he learned English. Once he visited Germany and saw the bed where his grandfather was born. The village church had lists on the wall of local boys killed in World War II.

  • Itooktheredpill

    Why white european immigration is no problem.

    Italian + Irish= White american
    English + French= White american
    German + Polish= White american
    Etc

    Why immigration from other parts of the world = fail

    African + White= Obongo
    Asian + Black= WTF is that
    Mexican + Black= Dominicans

    Its not just culture. Its genes. The genetic distance between the various european ethnic groups is very small and easy to overcome. One race.

    The genetic distance between other parts of the world and Europe not so much.

    • corvinus

      Asian + Black= What is that

      Madagascaran, I think. Mix of Indonesian and African.

  • BulgAryan

    Athenian Greece is way overrated

    • saxonsun

      The Germans pale in comparison with the Greeks, especially the Athenians. It’s like comparing blacks and whites.

      • UncleSham

        Germans are pale in comparison with Greeks, buts its not nearly as big of a difference as between whites and blacks.

      • Augustus3709

        Great bait mate.

      • AZ Ray

        Pale in comparison?.. When one reads of the scientific/intellectual exploits of the white European from say 1700-1930, one ethnicity is wildly over represented, & I’m talking of German-Gentiles..

        A great deal of what is attributed to the modern world is the product of the German mind..

        And remember, virtually everything else in this world is the product of their racial brothers. Think of the accomplishments of the Dutch?, the English? (Saxons), Italians? (Lombard-Visigoths)on & on it goes. German kindred all..

        • Cid Campeador

          I may be wrong and it may be irrelevant but I think that the Italians were more influenced by the Ostrogoths whereas the Visigoths were in Iberia.

  • Laurence Almand

    Hard working German-Americans built the great Midwestern industrial belt of the 19th and 20th centuries – Cincinnatti, St. Louis, Pittsburg and other major industrial centers were founded and built by German White males. It is about time Germans, especially productive German White males, stood up and stated their ancestry proudly.
    We are the backbone of American industry and prosperity, yet we are constantly blamed for the social ills by whining Blacks and other “minorities” who have not worked and progressed as far as we have.
    – A Proud German-American White Male

  • Laurence Almand

    Yes. After the Roman Empire collapsed the Jews spread throughout Northern Europe and mixed with the native Caucasian populations. Northern Italians are also a mixture of German blood. Paul Newman, blond and blue-eyed, was of Jewish ancestry – there are many others.
    If the mother is Jewish, the children are considered Jewish, even if the father is a blue-eyed German.

  • Laurence Almand

    Amen! Germans have made many of the great scientific discoveries, medical advances, etc. They started out as primitive barbarians, but progressed through the Dark Ages into a group of intelligent, civilized people – without foreign aid or welfare.

  • Maximus

    Germans in general. The most beautiful, noble, hard working and most intelligent people Mother Nature ever created. It is all about blood and genes.

    • I don’t know about that. The Scots are more ruthless about money than anyone could imagine Jews being. The Irish have a reputation for being amazingly kind, except when one irritates them. The French and Italians have forgotten more about cooking than most of us will ever know. They also do some weird things with engineering. The French invented reenforced concrete and the pneumatic tire. An Italian named Marconi invented wireless radio transmission.

      I can look at a bridge and instantly tell whether a Scotsman designed it. We normally always over-engineer a structure.

      I love being mainly Celtic. I am massively disorganized, but I try to compensate by making decorative wooden storage boxes for things that belong together. I like making tool boxes out of empty wooden Chinese ammo crates. I fill in the cracks with wood glue, subcompartment them with nice lift-out trays, and coat them with alternating layers of paint and varnish. I fit steel skids I make out of angle-iron I scrounged, so they don’t get scuffed on a concrete floor. I am naturally lazy, but when I make something, I want it to look perfect and I also don’t want to have to repair it later on.

      I burned a bunch of wooden pallets as firewood during the winter of 2003-04, but I saved the nails out of the fireplace ashes. I re-used those, drilling smaller-diameter pilot holes, and always lubricated them with wood glue when I used them. They have a slight screw thread to them. That never comes apart. A Scotsman is naturally thrifty and always over-engineers for strength.

      Being a non-German is quite alright.

      • Christorchaos

        Neat description. Thanks for that.

  • FinnShane

    Through the wonders of geneaology I discovered that although predominantly Irish and British, I have German ancestry dating from the 18th and early 19th centuries. Sturdy, industrious Pennsylvanian pioneers clearing forest and fighting in the Revolution as well as pious, quiet, hardworking Mennonites. People that provided a strong backbone to our nation with lives of quiet integrity. I consider it an honor to be their descendant. Right now their graves, with headstones carved in old style Germanic script, lie covered in snow in old cemeteries in the Pennsylvanian hills. I plan to visit them someday.

  • There actually are German leftists who traditionally wreak havoc on labor day, attack Pegida and and similar “right wing” demonstrations with impunity. A bit like British Hooligans. But still, it does not go on for weeks like in Ferguson or Watts riots.

  • Dave6034

    Geography has been unkind to the Germans. From Europe’s western fringe, the Spanish, Portuguese, Dutch, French, and English sailed out to conquer vast empires. On the other side, Russia expanded eastward, from the Urals to the Pacific in about fifty years.

    Meanwhile, the Germans were stuck in the middle of Europe, plundered and depopulated by armies of religious fanatics from every direction. By the time the Germans recovered, the entire world had been conquered by other European peoples. Germans twice attempted to increase their meagre share of the Earth’s surface but failed, losing land each time. The window of opportunity, when colonizers had fast-firing guns and natives didn’t, had closed.

    Germans finally gave up, stopped having children, and renounced imperialism, as the fox scorned the grapes he couldn’t quite reach.

    • corvinus

      Countries in the middle of Europe couldn’t expand, so had to send out huge numbers of immigrants instead. Not just Germans, but Italians, Poles, and so forth.

  • She sounds like my mother, though at age 72, she now has me trim the trees when I visit, rather than doing it herself. I also pick up litter in the area here at home. The last really good thing I picked up was what I thought was a bit of stainless steel tubing, several years ago. I was wrong. It was the aluminum case for a very nice Cortland fly rod, with the rod still inside it. Sometimes I absolutely love being wrong! I ordered a reel for it last year. That rod would have gone for $150, and there was nothing at all wrong with either it or the case.

    I like scrounging, and can’t help it. I was a good scavenger in the Croatian army, and thought I was pretty good at the time, but I didn’t know anything until I went to federal prison, wherein I became the Marquis de Scrounge.

    Celts are not as organized as Germans. We never will be. That’s a given, but Celts and Germans were originally the same people.

    • Alexandra1973

      Maybe that’s why things have to get disorganized enough for me to pick up. LOL Scottish-English-German here.

  • Ludwig

    The Angles, Saxons and Jutes were Germanic tribes that migrated to Britain after the Romans withdrew in 425 A.D. In the first century A.D. the Roman historian Tacitus admirably spoke of the Germanic tribes system of law in which the accused was judged by 12 of his fellow tribesmen. The English language (named after the Angles) is a daughter language of the Germanic branch of the Indo European language group. Indeed, much of the bedrock of Western culture can be attributed to the Germanic peoples.

  • We had a Czech-made ZB-33 in our squad, and that was the gun, but we sometimes has to piss on the spare barrels when they got hot. The last firearm I shot was a BREN gun, which is a massively re-engineered British copy. I think Japan copied some captured ZB-26 machineguns from China and made copies, but Colonel Nambu never understood the idea of primary extraction, so his designs used a slow rate of fire and (ugh!) a cartridge oiler.

    The problem with any oil in a machinegun is that dust will will be drawn into the receiver while it is fired, combine with the oil into a thick, abrasive paste and then eventually put the gun out of action.

    • Quido

      Mike, Very interesting. The current M60 I think is taken from the M42. I had a 50 cal Browning squad. Old Ma duece

  • Alexandra1973

    Looking at my family tree file, I see an ancestor, Frederick Wilhelm Schram, that married Anna Marie Kuester in West Camp, New York, in 1717. By the 1780s that branch of the family was in Ontario.

  • WR_the_realist

    We should never have fought World War I. Had we stayed out there would have been a negotiated peace with no punitive Treaty of Versailles, no destruction of the German economy, no rise of the Nazis as a reaction to that, no mass murder of Jews, and no rise of political correctness as a reaction to that. So those spat upon German Americans who didn’t want to fight in World War I were right, and Democrat Woodrow Wilson (who also gave us the Federal Reserve and the income tax) has an awful lot to answer for.

    BTW, the main purpose of modern central banks is to make deficit spending easier, and thus war more possible (if countries had to raise taxes every time they had a war we’d have a lot fewer of them, especially here in the U.S. of A.).

    • Ludwig

      The timing of the Balfour Declaration cannot be overlooked. Brandeis and Frankfurter twisting Wilson into entering the war was the beginning of the end for the white race. America entered the war for one reason, the European Jewish elites promised England that they would bring the U.S.A. into the war as long as England would give them Palestine in return.

    • Weisheit77

      I totally agree. And this led to the “good war” which saw the mass destruction of our cultural heritage in Europe.

      While my grandparents may have had good lives as a result of those wars it is impossible not to notice how they lead us right to here where we have to hide on the internet to discuss our love for our culture.

  • Irish

    The subject of this story is a falicy. period , full stop..A plurality of White Americans are of English ancestry. Huge numbers of people in the U.S. , particularly in the South descibe themselves as “American , when they are largely of English blood…There are WN here that are in point of fact Anglo/Saxon Supremacist. They have shown thier true feeling on numerous occasions.. A place where we may be right, but we would be engaged in conversation considered illegal in many of our component homelands. .A commenter here, who I shall not call out by name brought up the age old differentiation of Irish / and Scots-Irish, presumably so his people would not be confused with those Native-Papist..Now my 1st thought as a Mackeral Snapper, Stone Worshipping, R.C., actual Irish-American would be to point out that on a per capita income level, the Irish-Catholics have left the Protestant/Orange Irish-Scots, Whatever?..In the dust…In truth I believe the R.C.’s Irish success over their Protestant cousins is largely based on geography. The Orange/Scots Irish stayed in parts of the country, largely the unfarmable montainous areas of Appalachia from Pennsylvania to Northern Georgia. .Mostly because they couldn’t afford the expensive, better farmland of the lowland parts of The Carolinas & Virginia the English had already taken..The mostly later arrived Irish-Catholic waves that came stayed mainly in the cities.And therefore prospered to a larger degree..As the the old joke goes “The Scots are simply Irishmen who were stupid enough to to decide it wasn’t cold and wet enough in Ireland”….I apologize in advance. ..lol

    • Jo

      Why do Southern English call themselves Americans, particularly when mixed races and mixed non-European ethnicities do as well? Throughout the North, English call themselves English who also have ancestors dating to pre-revolutionary times. Irish call themselves Irish. Can’t fathom why Southerners don’t want to associate their ancestry with the British other than most are mixed European making it difficult to choose one European country. But, you claim they are English. Again, if they know they are English, why aren’t they calling themselves English? And…when you say English, are they English or actually British? Are you calling Irish and Scots-Irish, English? Or are those you call English, mostly, Irish, Scots-Irish, and Welsh? Don’t mean to be overly inquisitive and nit-picky, but it’s been a curious issue I haven’t been able to find an answer.

      Can you give your definition of a White Nationalist Anglo/Saxon Supremacist?

      • Irish

        If you’ve ever spent much time in the American South, cepting South Louisiana & Florida , south of say Ocala you know. Yes there were exceptions , Lots of Germans settled in Northern Kentucky, and quite a few Irish Catholics settled in Charleston South Carolina. .But the vast majority of the peoples who settled in the South were from the British Isles, the bulk of them of English ancestry…

        • Jo

          Lived in Texas, but, ‘American’ wasn’t on the Census form. It was not a topic of discussion.

          • Irish

            whilst it is true Texas was part of the 11 of the CSA, only eastern Texas is what would be traditionally thought of as “Dixie”

          • Jo

            Houston. Definitely, eastern, but a huge city full of people from everywhere. Southerners weren’t talking about it.

          • Weisheit77

            Good ol’ Texas. My aunt is from outside of Austin in the hill country. I got into an argument with her once because she kept denying Texas was a part of the south.

      • Mary

        Most native Southerners are predominantly of mixed British Isles descent. Much English ancestry, much Scots-Irish and Scottish, some Welsh and Irish. Smaller amounts of German and French, among a few others. Most have ancestry that predates the Revolution, either in part or entirely. All of these have been intermarrying and mixing since the 18th century.

        Southerners generally don’t distinguish much between these ethnicities; they are regarded as more or less the same. Many Southerners no longer identify with any ethnicity since they are so far removed from their immigrant ancestors. Ethnic identity has not historically been an issue in the South. Maybe because we did not receive large numbers of diverse immigrants like the North and most people were basically of the same British Isles stock, strong ethnic identity never evolved. Many Southerners do consider themselves merely to be “American”, and for some being “Southern” is very important as well. The latter has weakened some in recent years, but it’s still present to an extent.

        However, some of us do consider our British Isles heritage to be very important. I actually wish more of us would foster and celebrate it.

      • Weisheit77

        I’m mixed with Irish and German and rumors of Scottish and English.

        I’m from the South originally and I don’t understand those people. It’s a just a variety of “I’m a ‘meruican” logic while every other type of people are African-American, Sino-American, Jewish-American, etc.

        My family is from South Carolina and Georgia, but I strongly identify with my German heritage. So much so that I have a damn bachelor’s degree in German from a major university.

        I love Germany and I love to travel there. Bayreuth being my favorite town there. Last year I was lucky enough to attend the world famous Wagner festival there.

        • Jo

          “I’m from the South originally and I don’t understand those people.”

          Yes, I lived in the South, West, Mid-Atlantic, and Northeast and agree with you about the South.

    • Evette Coutier

      Actually, they are factually correct. The largest sub-population of whites in America is Germans. However, it’s somewhat nitpicking. Germans and British isle folks all come from the same Teutonic people.

      • Irish

        So your contention is that that all those folks in the South who claim “American”when asked by census takers what ethnicity they are are mostly German, despite relatively little migration to that part of the country..Me guesses three centuries or more in what is now the U.S. has fully dissolved whatever Anglo-Nationalist feeling there was..Not to mention that whole war of independence deal…

        • Evette Coutier

          Germans are the largest self identified population followed by the Irish. In 2,000 there was a census done that counted people who identified themselves as indigenous Americans because they as a people have been in America so long they no longer identify by their European roots. They have been classified as British. When counting them as English, then the English becomes the largest group. However, my point is that it’s somewhat academic. English, Irish, and Germans are all essentially the same people. Second, I don’t give credence to the 2,000 census. Given the mixing of the various people by marriage, unless people have kept fairly accurate track of their lineage, there’s no way to really know their ethnicity. Thus, I think it’s fairly reasonable to use the self-identified data.

      • DonReynolds

        Absolutely. Even though much of it is an afterthought.

        Germany as a nation did not exist before Bismark in the 1870s. Those Germans who came to the USA before that time can only retroactively claim to be Germans. Besides, the “Germans” who live in Switzerland, or Austria, may not actually think of themselves as Germans.

        The Italians have the same situation, since Italy did not exist as a nation until 1866 with Geribaldi. Yes, their ancestors came from territory that later became Italy….except for the ones in Italian Switzerland.

        It may well be that a shared language does not make an ethnicity or a nationality.

    • “The Scots are simply Irishmen who were stupid enough to decide it wasn’t cold and wet enough in Ireland.”

      Smiling so much my face hurts!

      It is very cold in Edinburgh and rains all the damned time. I hated running out of dry shoes.

    • John Jackson

      Why does any of this matter?

  • Irish

    Really?…Please list a link to that..The Germans and Texas are part n Parcel. .If you’ve ever been to the Hill country of Texas you’d know, Fredricksburg, New Braunfels, Guerne..There is still a Texas-German language semi-Weekly radio broadcast there .. Maybe the last surviving holdout after the Second World War..

  • Garrett Brown

    Visigoths in Spain, Ostrogoths in Italy. Germans took over Europe and turned it into the jewel we see today.

  • Cid Campeador

    There was a double edged old saying whose second part was actually an acknowledgment of the Irish intelligence and wit.
    “God created whiskey to keep the Irish from taking over the world”
    They were treated like dogs when they first came to these shores and they worked hard, maybe drank hard as well but so many achieved..
    To all our Irish readers, SLAINTE!

  • Jo

    What about British ancestry instead of American? Surely, they don’t want to be counted in with mixed races and mixed non-Europeans. We’d have a more accurate count of how many there are in the country.

    • corvinus

      My guess is that they’re the less-educated. They check “white” on the Census, and fill in their ancestry as “American” if they get the long form, and leave it at that.

  • Jon W Hinch

    Indeed they are , well within the gene pool anyway !

  • ravitchn

    Well, Ben Franklin worried very much that German might become the national language of America — and that was long before the 1848 migration of many Germans to America. Germans, whether Lutheran or Catholic, have so much intermarried with European Protestants and Cathnolics that no one knows how many there are here. Paul Ryan is half Irish, as is I believe John Boehner. Most white people have forgotten unconsciously and also consciously their ethnic roots. And Jewish intermarriage with Christians has become so widespread that even Jews will cease to be an identifiable group. There will be only whites, blacks, yellows, and browns in the future.
    Americans base their identity less on ethnicity or religion than on devotion to American ideals, history, and legal institutions. The allegiance of non-whites to these things remains questionable.

  • evilsandmich

    All these comments and not one mention of the German’s contribution to beer brewing? You people…you…you really let me down 🙂

    • I only brew exquisitely hard cider here. Beer is great, but apple-lime cider is sublime. It comes out at roughly 10%.

      • evilsandmich

        I did that once; but too many acquientences were looking for nasty sweet wine cooler flavor (mostly women) while the guys didn’t seem to care if it was beer or cider. Much cheaper to brew cider though now that you mention it (friggin hops and malt sugar) I might have to give it another go.

      • Weisheit77

        Beer, beer, and more beer… maybe with some nice Single Malt Islay Scotch.

  • Constant Reader

    When the USAAF 56th Fighter Group arrived in England in the early days of America’s air offensive against Germany, RAF pilots joked that the Luftwaffe had arrived because of all the German names on the flight roster, including the group commander Hubert Zemke and deputy commander David Schilling.
    The American air offense, led by Carl Spaatz (German spelling Spatz), under the command of Dwight Eisenhower (German spelling Eisenhauer), was spearheaded by the Boeing (German spelling Böing B-17 and the North American P-51. North American was converted from a holding company to an aircraft manufacturer by James “Dutch” Kindelberger. The P-51 chief designer was Edgar Schmued, who was born in Hornbach, Germany.
    An RAF sarcasm from those days had it that an American was merely an English-speaking German who took over your pub, then complained the beer was warm and the girls were cold.

  • Carolus Martellus

    These figures come from the census. When Germans came here Germany was a series of nation-states and principalities. When the English, Irish, Welsh, and Scots came here they came here from one nation. Millions of Southerners answered “American” to the nationality census question. Most of these are from the British Isles. Therefore, those from the British Isles, Great Britain, The United Kingdom are the biggest ethnic grouping.

    • Weisheit77

      Are you jealous?

  • RationaliseThis

    It is our western and christian culture, shared by Americans, Germans, French the English to not kill unnecessarily, to show compassion when possible. It is honourable to take prisoners in our culture. We limit what is done in war not only to save enemy prisoners but to save ourselves from brutalisation. The orderliness of western warfare meant we had the facilities to keep prisoners.

    There are atrocities in war but remember the Germans lost and can’t write history and we know the atrocity propaganda started before the wars. Atrocity is how they provoke us to war.

    • François

      I think it is time we Whites learn to feel no compassion for non-Whites.

  • Americaandthewestshouldbewhite

    Hitlr was surely right about the Semites.

  • ricpic

    My only problem with this article is that Germans who have been in America for any length of time have so intermarried with English, Irish, Scotch-Irish, French and Polish Americans that for all practical purposes they’re generic whites, or American mutts, and I use that term with affection.

  • Irish

    Now that you’ve posted the link I do recall reading about how the newly arrived Germans opposed the War between the States.. That said the Confederates didn’t dislike the Deutsch because they were German, just that they were Unionist..The same thing happened in many parts of the South, most notably (And bloodily) in Tennessee, and really throughout Appalachia where slavery was far less common.