People Know the Consequences: Opposing View

Anjem Choudary, USA Today, January 8, 2015

Contrary to popular misconception, Islam does not mean peace but rather means submission to the commands of Allah alone. Therefore, Muslims do not believe in the concept of freedom of expression, as their speech and actions are determined by divine revelation and not based on people’s desires.

Although Muslims may not agree about the idea of freedom of expression, even non-Muslims who espouse it say it comes with responsibilities. In an increasingly unstable and insecure world, the potential consequences of insulting the Messenger Muhammad are known to Muslims and non-Muslims alike.

Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment implementable by an Islamic State. This is because the Messenger Muhammad said, “Whoever insults a Prophet kill him.”

However, because the honor of the Prophet is something which all Muslims want to defend, many will take the law into their own hands, as we often see.

Within liberal democracies, freedom of expression has curtailments, such as laws against incitement and hatred.

The truth is that Western governments are content to sacrifice liberties and freedoms when being complicit to torture and rendition–or when restricting the freedom of movement of Muslims, under the guise of protecting national security.

So why in this case did the French government allow the magazine Charlie Hebdo to continue to provoke Muslims, thereby placing the sanctity of its citizens at risk?

It is time that the sanctity of a Prophet revered by up to one-quarter of the world’s population was protected.

Anjem Choudary is a radical Muslim cleric in London and a lecturer in sharia.

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  • It is wrong to not rain down drones down on this provocateur.

    • LHathaway

      If you mean Dave Argema, yes.

  • Basically, he’s calling for the white world to surrender to Islam.

    • Oil Can Harry

      Muslims: “People who criticize Islam are asking to be killed just like women who wear miniskirts are asking to be gang-raped.”

    • Sick of it

      Better yet, let us coat their homelands in pig’s blood.

    • KenelmDigby

      The politicians already have – on our behalf.

    • WhiteVeinKratom

      NOT gonna happen!

    • Paleoconn

      He’s wasting his breath; Whites are in full retreat already.

  • De Doc

    F*** Islam’s prophet and may feces rain down on everyone of those wretched animals.

  • SentryattheGate

    Choudry has been in England for many years, living on the public dole, while he spews this anti-West hatred. Yet some who speak up against the dangers of Islam are forbidden to enter the UK! “Truth” is stranger than fiction!

    • The Dude

      At least he’s honest about his beliefs, unlike the two-faced Muslims who appear on CNN. For some reason, I get more sickened by those than by the former.

      • SentryattheGate

        I can agree with you on that! We have to remember that the Muslims have the principle of takkiya, allowing them to blatantly lie to infidels, especially to promote and defend Islam. That’s very handy for the Trojan horses!

    • Frank_DeScushin

      While it’s true that Choudary is a horrible human, he’s actually kind of good for our side. Choudary is such an attention whore and so over-the-top with his rhetoric, that he helps serve to wake people up to the true intentions of the myriad of Muslims who share his beliefs. He’s like Al Sharpton with the attention seeking plus Louis Farrakhan with the rhetoric rolled into one person.

      • SentryattheGate

        Oh, I agree; I just complain that the UK lets people like him not only immigrate there but have taxpayers pay his way! He should not be allowed to live there, and should have to work for a living instead of all the free time he has to convert others!

    • See The Future

      Cameron and those before must be really laughing themselves silly talking about the things they can get away with without any repercussions. Like how can they be so stupid and gullible.

  • HJ11

    Lefties and internationalists (you know who they are) in Europe are puffing up their chests and saying free expression will win even if those gosh darn Muslims try to stop it. Puleeeeze! Be a White person and go to France or Germany and try to question the Holocaust–just question any facts about it? You’ll be arrested. Go to Germany and have your dog raise his paw the wrong way and you’ll be arrested (this happened). There is only free expression if you don’t criticize the tribe.

    • IstvanIN

      There is no freedom of speech in most European countries.

      • HJ11

        Right. So, the phony whining about how Muslims are trying to stop freedom of expression rings hollow. We need true freedom of speech. Freedom to investigate historical events and question them, for example.

        We can investigate any other historical event and question facts about it, but not the Holocaust. This is like saying we have freedom of speech so long as we only say we love mom and apple pie.

        • HJ11

          …Which is not to say the Muslims aren’t also trying to stop freedom of expression.

          Personally, I’d like to see Whites stop being so accepting of those who want to call us names and attack us.

    • NoMosqueHere

      Israel never gets criticized? Sure, pal. The United Nations and the EU are almost entirely dedicated to calumnious and defamatory condemnations of little Israel, a tiny nation of less than 6 million jews surrounded by 1.6 billion muslim maniacs who want nothing more than to kill them.

      The nazis and hitler brought Germany to near destruction, and they perpetuated the worst act of genocide in human history. The German government has every right to ensure that Germans never forget Germany’s atrocious and insane behavior during WWII.

      • HJ11

        Firstly, I’m not your pal. You’re an obvious troll. Your fav holocaust is nothing compared to some real holocausts.

        Freedom of expression is missing from Germany unless you say the right things, about you and your pals. That’s not freedom of expression at all.

        • KyraNelson

          I don’t get why you call him a troll just because he doesn’t agree with you. Seems a little ad hominem to me.

          • HJ11

            Nope. My original post was simply about the double standard of not allowing Whites to question or investigate the so-caled Holocaust.

            Then, this troll jumped in to defend the double standard–the lack of free speech to Whites–on the specious notion that his holocaust was somehow the worst one in history and thus anyone questioning it or invstigating it is somehow evil and should be stopped.

          • David Ashton

            Of course, the fate of Jews in Europe between 1933 and 1945 should be as open to thorough objective investigation as the Armenian massacres or the numbers in Soviet prison camps. What white nationalists need to avoid is getting the Gas-Chamber name without the Pro-German game. Leave the debate about the Holocaust itself to maverick Trots and Muslims like Radio Islam, and to specialists like e.g. Carlo Mattogno. It can be both a sidetrack from the real race/immigration debate and a self-inflicted wound if you are not au fait with the details presented on different sides.

          • KyraNelson

            Not sure what planet you inhabit, but there has been no modern genocide as thoroughly studied and investigated, not to mention documented in real time by the Germans and their willing executioners, as the German war on Jewish civilians. Name one actual book that you have read about it that’s not written by a Jew-hater.

            If you’re upset that the Armenians, or the Ukranians or whoever did not get enough attention for their own genocide, then the answer is to research, write about, and publicize it. Not to minimize someone else’s. It’s creepy.

          • David Ashton

            I wrote a long answer to this and accidentally deleted it, but will return to the subject asap.

          • World_War_Me

            Well done! You completely destroyed KyraNelson’s arguments.

          • David Ashton

            Thank you. These issues are complex, but we all need to focus on the future rather than the “past”.

          • HJ11

            I replied to you but AMREN didn’t post it even though it was mild. Hmmm. I wonder who is in charge over there today? Anyway, let me try it in different words.

            Do you agree what anyone should be able to investigate your favorite Holocaust?

          • KyraNelson

            I believe and will stand up for absolute freedom of speech.

          • KyraNelson

            Oops. My reply was to HJ11.

          • David Ashton

            We share commitment to free speech and inquiry.
            There is always room for serious and careful revision;for example, I think we have to reduce the totals of Soviet camp deaths as originally estimated by my old acquaintances like Conquest and Possony long ago, but cutting out exaggerations and fictions leaves a hard core of horrible fact – and ditto the numbers at Auschwitz, in the Maoist occupation of Tibet or at Dresden.
            The problem is that some people have more opportunity to spread their views however erroneous than others.

            Take the risk of downloading Mattogno and see what you think of his analysis of gassing and crematoria at Auschwitz and Treblinka, however tasteless; I have spotted a few contrary “slips”, but he appears to have a good command of the technological problems.

        • World_War_Me

          Well said! I sure do miss the downvote option when it comes to commenters like NoMosqueHere.

      • Jeroniomus

        Yawn.

      • Johnny Harper

        You got to understand, some of these dudes are kinda trailer trash that think saying “Heil Hitler” makes them look tough.

        They use this to make up for their low status in society. They make the White Nationalists look like foolish caricatures.

        If they are worried about the SPLC or ADL, they wouldn’t make themselves look like such foolish caricatures. This is the problem with them.

        I don’t see how they can change their stripes though.

        That is why there is fight between Amren/Jared Taylor vs Daily Sturmer/Stormfront etc. I can’t see the latter ever going mainstream.

        • HJ11

          You sound like a White hater.

          • Johnny Harper

            Not at all.

            I just am concerned about how you guys make the overall movement look.

            Do you think you present a positive image to the wider White populace?

            Or do you think it comes off as Trailer Park stuff with a fat redneck dude yelling “Hail Hitler”.

            Im being serious. I watch the documentaries on the “American Nazi” party. There is no way that will go mainstream in the middle class White world.

            Just stating facts.

          • HJ11

            The way you jump to conclusions and try to link ordinary Whites with White groups that have been demonized so that “everybody (meaning the herd) knows this or that about them,” shows you have hatred for Whites in your heart.

            My original post simply pointed out the double standard and implied how the PR works. There is no real free speech in much of Europe for Whites who don’t toe the company line.

            It is anti-intellectual and absurd that one can’t investigate the so-called Holocaust or various aspects of it. EVERY historical event should be open to investigation.

          • Johnny Harper

            I agree with the Holocaust “deniers” shouldn’t be put in jail.

            But do you really think you are going to win over supporters by going on about this stuff?

            Most Holocaust deniers look appear like adamant Hitler supporters from the American Nazi Party. Lets be honest.

            If you can prove the number of Jews killed was 500K less, what will that solve?

            We need to stay the course of strengthening the White culture.

            Dunno if it can be turned around anymore. But the ANP methods didn’t work for over 40 years since Lincoln Rockwell.

          • HJ11

            And, another thing, many of us who promote the interests of Whites have decided to not publicly criticize other Whites or White groups, even if we do not agree with their methods. This keeps White haters from fragmenting us. Our policy is: If you don’t have something nice to say about other awakened Whites or White groups don’t say anything.

            You seem to be hung up on “Nazi.” Are you Jewish?

          • Johnny Harper

            Yeah man.

            My name is Schlomo Hertzel.

            Everyone who disagrees with you guys are named that right?

          • HJ11

            Who are “you guys?”

          • Johnny Harper

            The Daily Stormer dudes who insist on saying “Heil Hitler” every two seconds, thinking they will go mainstream one day.

            Guess being a “rebel” is more important than actually achieving something.

            Do you honestly think Holocaust denial and praising Hitler all day is the best method to get the White middle class on board?

          • HJ11

            What have you achieved for Whites? It sounds like you’re in the closet. Some of us have come out of the closet as Whites and proud.

          • Johnny Harper

            OK well keep up the good work with the Heil HItler stuff.

            Im sure it will go far.

          • HJ11

            I’ll ask again: What have YOU achieved for Whites? It sounds like you’re hiding your Whiteness–if in fact, you are White–and that seems doubtful.

          • KyraNelson

            I am, (not Johnny, though) but I agree with you. Be divided & be conquered. The whole counter-jihad movement, for example,seems to be filled with squabbling chickens sometimes. BUT at least these are folks who have identified their adversaries.
            Every time I see a (rare) news report regarding violent crime by blacks against whites (common), the idiot white libtard comments make me sick. You know what those comments are. The few black posts are usually disgusted with their fellow team-mates, and the white libtards excuse the criminals.
            Honestly, my experience reading, and commenting here has been pretty good. (I’m alway surprised how many up votes I get but that could be because I’m snarky)) I really don’t get why everyone calls Amren “white supremacist.” I guess I have developed a bit thicker skin, especially in the face of real obsessive Jew-haters, but how is that a bad thing?
            Now the schmuck (calls himself Julius Carsar) a few posts up lauding Hitler- he offends me on behalf of the purported 7 million non Jews gassed and otherwise murdered by the nazis. Hitler raped Europe. Over 40 million people died in that war. How many white (“Aryan” or otherwise) Europeans would be alive today and all their generations if that a$$hole Hitler hadn’t been so adored by dolts like him. So I guess its up to you to speak up for them. We’ve got our hands full right now.

          • KyraNelson

            I’m going to stick my neck out and say it’s not hatred from Johnny Harper and people like him. It’s the residual effects of long term exposure to Leftard Kool Aid Poisoning. The brains of white people are conditioned to run screaming from the room if you so much as hint that white people have interests.

        • Julius Caesar

          You know Johnny, I don’t go around saying “Heil Hitler” yet I still respect the man that was Hitler as well as the National Socialist party and its members. I would defend their supposed actions regardless of what someone thinks of me. I’m not “White trash” or a low-life, but I feel National Socialist Germany had a right to do what they supposedly did…and what they supposedly did, in my opinion, is fight for the best interests of Germany.

          • Johnny Harper

            Yeah thats nice.

            Do you honestly believe having this perspective overtly displayed will ever become mainstream?

            Do you think thats a good method?

          • Julius Caesar

            Understanding historical truths will never go mainstream? Okay, so be it. I don’t do or think things because they are “mainstream”.

          • Johnny Harper

            I am speaking about the low brow “Heil Hitler” stuff and calling the Holocaust the “Holohaux”.

            Running around acting like a moronic Nazi when you are some redneck due from the American South or MidWest who can’t speak German. Often these dudes are obese looking, uneducated, etc. Nothing like the original Nazis.

            Yes, this won’t go mainstream.

          • KyraNelson

            I especially liked Babi Yar, and those really cute photos of Ukrainian Jewish women and little girls stripped down to their underwear in the snow, right before they were gunned down in cold blood in front of the pre-dug trench that would be their mass grave. I was especially impressed with the German prescience regarding the re-use of the victims’ clothes and the redistribution of their property. Those manly Germans! Those heroic Ukranians! Thank G-d they had the b*lls to stand up to all those naked, unarmed, civilian women!

          • Julius Caesar

            I’ve seen far too many doctored “Holocaust” pictures to believe that to be true. Irregardless, my opinion remains unchanged. I’m happy that you have one of your own, there is nothing wrong with that.

          • HJ11

            So, do you think people should be arrested for questioning the story about the Holocaust or various alleged facts about it?

            How about if their dog raises its paw the wrong way, should the owner be arrested?

          • David Ashton

            Are you pleased to know that unarmed women and little children were burned alive on a horrific scale in the bombing of Germany? Or that Arab women were murdered at Deir Yasin and elsewhere in Palestine? Or that Ukrainians were murdered atrociously by communists with Jewish support? Many parties have committed crimes, and many groups have suffered.

            Whole peoples – Germans, Jews, Ukrainians, whoever – cannot be condemned because of the accident of birth. But equally peoples are entitled to homelands of their own, without foreign invasion or occupation by whatever method.

    • Ron Cheaters

      My dog does that salute on command… I had to change the command to “salute” instead of “Sieg” because my neighbors were starting to talk behind my back.

  • MekongDelta69

    And USA Today OF COURSE, runs this garbage.

    Hey Choudary – some of my old Teammates and I would like to invite you over for dinner. (Halal of course.)
    Nahmeen?
    Nahmsayin’?

    • phorning

      By running this garbage, it may help convince some people that our political leaders are lying when they tell us Islam is a religion of peace.

    • Tim_in_Indiana

      The very PC USA Today Weekend , once included in hundreds of newspapers, just published it’s very last issue about a week ago. A moment of silence for USA Today Weekend. There, that’s done.

  • Caucasoid88

    A few weeks ago, a liberal girl I know insisted Islam is a “religion of peace,” because she “read the Koran.” But here we have an imam who is honest (kudos, guy) about the true mission of Islam — establish Sharia Law in the West by all means, including violence.

    If I were to show her this article, she would scoff and insist it is still a religion of peace, which is totally racist because she thinks her thoughts are more valid than an imam himself.

    • phillyguy

      for our survival, these white liberals have to be the first to go.

    • The Dude

      Some imams themselves lie blatantly and shamelessly.

      “a liberal girl I know insisted Islam is a “religion of peace,” because she “read the Koran.””

      I bet she missed this part:

      Fight against those who (1) believe not in Allah, (2) nor in the Last Day, (3) nor forbid that which has been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger (4) and those who acknowledge not the religion of truth (i.e. Islam) among the people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians), until they pay the jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

      (Chapter 9, verse 29)

  • guest

    Now that we’ve learned why muslims kill, there’s still one thing we really need to know. Why are these savages being allowed into our countries?

    • John Smith

      Wonder why the UK wouldn’t let Michael Savage and others come in, being threats to order, yet they keep rubberstamping muslim visas?

  • NoMosqueHere

    Quote: However, because the honor of the Prophet is something which all Muslims want to defend, many will take the law into their own hands, as we often see.

    ——————————————————————–
    And….that’s why muslims should be deported en masse from western democracies.

  • Samuel_Morton

    “Anjem Choudary is a radical Muslim cleric in London and a lecturer in sharia.”

    There, fixed it.

    • WhiteVeinKratom

      Explain

      • Samuel_Morton

        Meaning his thoughts are very popular with Muslims. Not so much a radical cleric as much as a straightforward Muslim cleric.

      • John Smith

        The “radical” part is another MSM and “moderate”/leftist lie when the guy is as mainstream a muslim as you’ll ever meet.

  • Luca

    Hey Muslims, if you didn’t like what Charlie Hebdo wrote, why did you read his paper?

    • See The Future

      What Charlie wrote is not the issue. The real issue is intimidation and control.

  • Truthseeker

    Muslims consider the honor of the Prophet Muhammad to be dearer to them
    than that of their parents or even themselves. To defend it is
    considered to be an obligation upon them. The strict punishment if found
    guilty of this crime under sharia (Islamic law) is capital punishment
    implementable by an Islamic State.

    Then shouldn’t they, oh I don’t know, live in an Islamic State? We don’t want your theocracy, so either live by our rules or leave.

    • LHathaway

      I would prefer to leave, myself. Are there any avenues open to those who want to leave the states?

      • LIBERTYSINCURSION

        Any avenues open to leave the states? Well of course there is, but where would you go?

        • LHathaway

          That’s why I’m asking. Iceland? Hungary? Poland? Maybe even an Asian country?

          • LIBERTYSINCURSION

            Well, the only places that don’t seem fixated on committing National suicide through insane mass invasion,,, I mean, mass immigration policies are the Asian counties. I’m still hoping there’s one sane country in Europe still, but I haven’t found it yet.

      • See The Future

        It will not be necessary to leave. There will be a great war and thereafter good times.

    • Who Me?

      Somebody should ask them why their Prophet is so weak that mere humans have to protect his honor? It’s true his historically purported behavior left a lot to be desired, but after all, he IS the prophet they chose.

      • Surely if God Himself chose Mohammad as His Prophet, it naturally follows that the honor of this pedophile “Prophet” is God’s purview alone.

  • LHathaway

    “because the honor of the Prophet is something which all Muslims want to defend, many will take the law into their own hands”

    Is he still talking about Muhammed, or White vajajays?

    Reading the blurb about the story, ‘Why Muslims kill’, I was expecting to read something like ‘because it works’. By ‘works’ one might wonder whether ‘because it opens white vajaja’s’ could substitute for ‘works”.

  • LIBERTYSINCURSION

    This guy again? Ugh! Andy the benefits scrounging prickly faced Islamacist d—h—! < As the great Pat Condell so appropriately calls him. ) Is there anyone here who still does not know who Pat Condell is? If so, type his name into YouTube and watch some o his videos. They are absolutely hysterical!

  • Evette Coutier

    Muslims, if you don’t like the rules of our society then don’t come here.

    • They believe that as followers of the only true faith that the whole world and everything in it is theirs. According to this doctrine, our countries really belong to them, and we are merely annoying trespassers to be enslaved, killed or forcibly converted.

  • B.A_2014

    Cheers Andy. A bit of honesty for once.

  • KyraNelson

    Definition of a cult: when your own parents and yourself mean less than the will of the psychopathic leader. Never trust a man walking around in public in a filthy nightie.

  • Johnny Harper

    Anjem is doing everyone a service.

    He is showing the true face of Islam. I am tired of all these Western fake Muslims groups stating that “this has nothing to do with Islam”.

    Nonsense.

  • WR_the_realist

    Muslims believe in a God so weak he needs humans to defend him.

    • John Smith

      Because he’s an Arabic moon god.

  • Mark Hillyard

    “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.”
    John 8:44

  • David Ashton

    Straight from the camel’s mouth.